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["Pomp and Circumstance"]

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How's that going?

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The mother's bawling and the uncle's
pissed off.

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She's not married?

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Divorced, with four kids.

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I guess father was helping out.

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Helping out?

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Hey, Mr. Burke, they're in back,
talking to the bishop.

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And father?

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We put him in the break room.

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Any press?

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Some guy from the citizen, but we sent him
away.

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None of the big papers.

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Let's keep it that way.

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Who's that?

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Assistant D.A.

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It's going to be hard to keep the papers
away from the arraignment.

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What arraignment?

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You can tell father, Gagin, it won't be
much longer.

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Now, Sheila, you know what a good work the
church does in the community.

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I gave

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her a vision, and this will never happen.

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We'll just be another moment, Paul.

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Of course, father.

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Now, Sheila, I'm going to give

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you...

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Losing a good reporter is always tough.

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But losing one of our best, well,
to put it as eloquently as I can,

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it's a real kick in the ass.

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But Robbie here has known Stuart longer
than most of you have been alive,

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so I'll hand it off to him, Robbie.

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Oh, well, thanks, Ben, I think.

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Although I take issue with your reference
to my seniority, I will say that Stuart's

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departure is especially painful for me,
because for, what, Stuart, 20 years now?

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Stuart's been more than willing to part
with his money at the poker table.

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And I've got a kid in college.

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Yeah, but I'm going to keep playing.

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Oh, problem solved.

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Godspeed, Ben.

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Now, Stuart, I find the timing of your
departure disconcerting.

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The corner office sits empty.

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The new editor arrives on Monday.

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So, I'm sorry, buddy, but I've got to ask
you, what the hell do you know?

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How's the cake?

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It's really good.

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Are you saving yours?

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No, that's from mine.

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I can never eat at those things.

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They kind of depress me.

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I know you guys.

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Did you see the numbers from Washington?

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Yeah, very interesting.

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I think so, too.

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Look, Dan, I'm not asking if the PD's
lying.

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I know they're lying.

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All I'm asking is who's behind it.

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Okay, I get it.

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You don't want to talk.

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No, Dan, I'm not mad.

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I'm hungry.

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I've been talking to you so long,
I didn't eat lunch.

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So, I'm going to go get something to eat,
and that'll give you an hour to decide

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whether you want to be on the right side
of this or read about it like everybody

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else.

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Bye, Dan.

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You think Cahill has something?

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Maybe.

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I just don't think the story's for us.

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Ben likes it.

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Yeah, it's not bad.

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It's just not spotlight.

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What's just not spotlight?

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The PD numbers.

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The numbers for it.

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It feels thin.

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Oh, you got Cahill to talk?

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No, but I will.

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Good.

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Then we'll know if it's thin.

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How'd it go upstairs?

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Oh, okay.

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Robbie gave a good speech.

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I'm sure he did.

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I heard Lubin and Connor are going to the
Times.

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Come on, really?

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They're leeching us.

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Well, at least they're sending us a guy
from Miami to run things.

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That should help.

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Has Barron even spent time in Boston?

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I don't think he's ever been here before.

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Maybe we should buy him a map.

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I have a friend down in Miami who said he
cut 15% of the staff.

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Great.

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Hey, Robbie, new boss coming in to make
some cuts?

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I have no idea.

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Aren't you sitting down with him?

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So is it about Spotlight?

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I don't know, Mike, but I do know that Ben
needs an answer on the crime number story.

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I'm telling you, I really don't think that
story is for us.

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Mr. Barron.

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Walter Robinson.

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Robbie.

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Thanks for taking the time out of your
day.

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My pleasure.

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What are you reading?

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Curse of the Bambino.

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Oh, yeah.

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It's a great book.

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Globe has season tickets at Fenway.

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One's just settled in, by the way.

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Thank you.

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To be honest, I'm not much of a baseball
fan.

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I'm just trying to get a feel for the
city.

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Oh, yeah.

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So you're originally from Boston?

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I am.

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Born and raised, yeah.

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A lot of the newsroom is from here.

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Really feels like a local paper in that
way.

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And did that change at all after the paper
was sold to the Times?

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No.

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No, I don't think that had a big impact.

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Good.

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And you're an editor for the Spotlight
team.

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I prefer to think of myself as a player
coach, but yes.

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Are you familiar with Spotlight?

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No, not particularly.

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Well, we are a four-person investigative
team.

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We report to Ben Bradley Jr. and we keep
our work confidential.

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What are you working on now?

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We just put out a piece on a shoddy
construction outfit and right now we're

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really just trolling around for our next
story.

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How long does that typically take?

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Hard to say.

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A couple of months.

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A couple of months?

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Yeah, we don't like to rush it.

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Once we settle on a project, we can spend
a year or more investigating it.

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Is that a concern?

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Not necessarily, but from what I
understand, readership is down.

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Internet is cutting into the classified
business and I think I'm going to need to

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take a hard look at things.

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So, you anticipate more cuts?

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I think it's safe to assume so,
but what I'm more focused on right now is

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finding a way to make this paper essential
to its readers.

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I like to think it already is.

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Fair enough.

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I just think that we can do better.

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Mr. Bradley.

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Hey, so the PD numbers, looks interesting.

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Yeah, there's something there.

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How long do you need?

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Another week.

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Where are you going?

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1030.

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Since when?

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Technically.

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I am an editor.

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You sit down with Barron and go that well?

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I couldn't get a read on him.

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That's a first.

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How about you?

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Always a barrel of laughs.

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Morning, everyone.

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Let's get started.

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Do you want to say something, Marty?

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Sure.

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Uh, hello.

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As most of you know by now, my name is
Marty Barron.

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I'm, uh, delighted to be here.

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Um, if you could tell me your name as we
go around, that'd be helpful.

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Thank you.

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Okay.

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Peter.

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Peter Canellos, Metro.

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I've got a major big dig closure.

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Hey, Steve.

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Mike.

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Hey.

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That can't get worth a nickel.

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Hey, listen, what's, um, what's Eileen
McNamara doing in the 1030?

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Do you need something, Mike?

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No, just curious.

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Go be curious somewhere else.

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I got work to do, huh?

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Okay, Steve.

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See ya.

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And it looks like Pedro's gonna be out
till September 1st.

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Jimmy says he'll be back this year,
but the doc didn't seem so sure.

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When's the pads opener?

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Is that, uh, everyone?

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Yes, that's it.

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Okay, good.

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Thank you.

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Uh, did everyone read Eileen McNamara's
column this weekend?

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That's the Gagan case?

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Yeah.

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What's the follow on that?

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It's a column.

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What kind of follow were you thinking?

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Uh, well, apparently this priest molested
kids in six different parishes over the

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last 30 years, and the attorney for the
victims, Mr, uh...

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Garabedian.

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Thanks, Eileen.

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Mr. Garabedian says Cardinal Law found out
about it 15 years ago and did nothing.

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Yeah, I think that attorney's a bit of a
crank, and the church dismissed the claim.

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He said she said.

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Whether Mr. Garabedian is a crank or not,
he says he has documents that prove the

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Cardinal knew.

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As I understand it, those documents are
under seal.

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Okay, but the fact remains a Boston priest
abused 80 kids.

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We have a lawyer who says he can prove Law
knew about it, and we've written all of,

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uh, two stories in the last six months.

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This strikes me as an essential story to a
local paper.

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I think at the very least, uh,
we have to go through those documents.

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How would you like to do that?

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Well, uh, I don't know what the laws are
here, but in Florida, we would go to

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court.

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You want to sue the church?

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Technically, we wouldn't sue the church.

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We'd file a motion to lift the seal on
those documents.

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The church will read that as us suing
them.

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So will everybody else.

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Good to know.

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Gutsy call for the first day.

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That's one word for it.

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How do you think that's going to play down
front?

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I think Gilman's going to shit a brick.

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Hey.

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Door.

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How'd it go?

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Well, Barron wants to sue for the sealed
dogs in the Gagan case.

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He wants to sue the church?

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Hey, that's great.

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We covered Gagan when the story broke
three years ago.

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Barron was still in Miami.

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Think it might have been the times then,
actually.

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He wasn't here.

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So do you think that suit has a chance?

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Depends on the judge.

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And what parish he belongs to.

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Bradley.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Barron wants to talk to us.

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Us?

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Yes.

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Okay, Jim.

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Thank you.

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Yes.

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Okay, thanks.

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I've set up a meeting for tomorrow with
outside counsel.

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John Albano?

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Yeah.

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Who's the judge in this case?

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Um, Constance Sweeney?

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Tough.

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Why's that?

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Good Catholic girl.

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Huh.

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So, um, judging from what I've read,
it doesn't seem like we've done a very

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thorough investigation into the Gagan
case.

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Is that right?

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No, it's not.

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We looked hard at Gagan.

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David Armstrong for Metro, Michael Paulson
for religion.

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Okay, but, uh, just so I understand,
beyond our daily coverage, we haven't

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committed any long-term investigative
resources to the question of whether or

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not Cardinal Law knew about this.

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No, we haven't.

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And that's the kind of thing your team
would do.

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Spotlight?

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Well, yeah, but we're still prospecting
the Boston PD story I told you about.

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Could you set that aside?

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I could.

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Marty, in past Spotlights had success in
large part because they picked their own

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projects.

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Would you consider picking this one?

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I don't know if he's writing about you,
but I will let him know you called.

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Okay, bye.

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Hey.

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Hey, how'd it go?

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Okay, uh, Barron wants us to scrub the
Gagan case.

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That's great.

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He's giving me cover, Gagan.

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Yeah, there's a lawyer, a legend,
Cardinal Law knew about it.

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Mitch Garabedian, right?

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Yeah.

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I covered him at the courthouse.

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Can you get to him?

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I only interviewed him once.

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He's kind of a character.

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I like characters.

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I'll take him.

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Good, you take him.

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Also, we should be talking to the lawyer
who repped the victims in the Porter case,

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Eric McLeish.

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That guy was always on TV.

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The Porter case?

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Remind me?

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Yeah, Father Porter, similar story.

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Blasted dozens of kids in Fall River about
ten years ago.

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So, we're dropping the Boston PD?

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I vote yes.

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No, no, no, I'm just going to set it aside
for now.

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Listen, I don't need to tell you guys
this.

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We need to be more discreet than usual,
alright?

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Everybody's going to be interested in
this, not just the Herald.

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We can't let Cardinal Law get wind of this
until we know what we have.

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Good luck with that.

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So, when do you leave, Nana?

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The bus is picking us up at the church
parking lot at 9 o'clock.

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We have 40 people going.

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And is Father Dominic going?

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No, he says he's unlucky.

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But luck has nothing to do with it.

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You know, last time Nana won $160?

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Wow.

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You going to tell her?

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I don't even know if there's a story yet.

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Well, at Globe City Church, there's going
to be a story.

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Okay.

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Hey Lisa, could you pull all the relevant
clips on that for me?

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Yeah.

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So, Spotlight?

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Just drop them off when they're ready,
thanks.

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Excuse me, do you know where the
publisher's office is?

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Will do.

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How are you, Marty?

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Settling in?

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Yeah, I think so.

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Good.

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What can I do for you?

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Um, I'd like to challenge the protective
order in the Kagan case.

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You want to sue the Catholic Church?

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Um, we're just filing a motion,
but... yes.

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You think it's that important?

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Yes, I do.

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Because, obviously, the church will fight
us very hard on this, which won't go

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unnoticed by our subscriber base.

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53% of them are Catholic.

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I think they'll be interested.

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Okay.

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Marty, Lake Street will probably contact
you about a face-to-face with the

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Cardinal.

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It's customary.

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Yeah, they already have.

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It's set up for next week.

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I wouldn't mention this.

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Hello?

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Hello?

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Can I help you?

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Oh, hi.

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I'm Mike Resendiz from the Boston Globe.

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I'm here to see Mitchell Garabedian.

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He's on a call.

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Please have a seat.

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Okay.

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Alright, I'm listening.

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Go ahead.

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Okay.

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Bill!

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Where the hell are those papers?

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I asked you to put them on my desk!

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The famous Walter Robinson in my
conference room.

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Good to see you again, Eric.

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Sasha Pfeiffer, Eric McLeish.

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Nice to meet you.

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You don't play golf, do you?

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Uh, no.

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Good.

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Your colleague here took some money off me
at a charity that last year.

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He's a very lucky putt.

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I actually have my eyes closed,
by the way.

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So, how can I help you guys?

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You're familiar with the Gagan case?

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Sure.

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Eighty plaintiffs, all of them.

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Individual cases.

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Garabedian must be swimming.

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And the allegations against the cardinal
of law?

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Yeah, it's tricky.

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This is what you need to understand.

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These are shitty cases.

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Statute of limitations is only three
years, and most of these victims don't

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come forward until long after that.

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Why is that?

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Well, they're kids, you know.

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Guilt, shame.

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And most of these kids come from tough
neighborhoods.

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Nobody wants to admit this kind of thing.

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So, you're screwed on the time limit.

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And even if you argue your way around
that, the charitable immunity statute caps

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damages at twenty grand.

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Twenty grand?

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For molesting a child?

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That is the way the system is set up,
yes.

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The church is tough.

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So, your best shot is to try these cases
in the press, like I did on Porter.

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But, you know, most of the victims,
they don't want to have anything to do

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with TV, and Mitch isn't exactly a people
person.

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Yeah.

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And if Garabedian can't get his victims to
go before the press, then he's really...

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That's right.

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And he has a long road ahead of him.

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My guess is he doesn't have anything on
law.

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What, you think he's bluffing?

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I think he's grandstanding to cut a better
deal.

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Seems a bit reckless.

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Have you met Mitch Garabedian?

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Hi.

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Who are you?

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I'm Mike Resendis from the Boston Globe.

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I had an appointment with you about an
hour ago.

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I can't talk to you.

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I'm very busy.

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Sharon!

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No, no, she went out for coffee.

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She said she'd be right back.

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I'm following up on an article.

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The one in the Phoenix?

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No, on the Globe.

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Did you see the one in the Phoenix?

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No, I didn't.

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I thought it was very good.

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I have a copy of it somewhere.

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That's all right.

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I'll track it down.

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I'm actually following up on a column that
Eileen McNamara wrote about your suit.

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Suits?

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There are 84 of them.

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It's not a class action.

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You should get your facts straight.

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No, you're right.

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I should.

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So, I'm trying to get some background
information.

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You're not recording this, are you?

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No, I wouldn't do that without asking.

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I can't show you the church documents if
that's what you're after.

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They're under seal.

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Yeah, I know that.

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Did you know that they tried to bring me
up before the Massachusetts Board of Bar

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Overseers three times?

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They're watching me very closely.

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The church?

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Yeah, the church.

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Yeah.

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They'd like to get me disbarred.

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In fact, put that away.

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Put it away.

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I don't want you recording this in any
way, shape or form.

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Not on paper, not on tape, nothing.

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In fact, I probably shouldn't even be
speaking to you.

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So...

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Look, Mr. Garabedian, I know there's
things you cannot tell me.

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But I also know there's a story here,
and I think it's an important story.

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I already talked to the Phoenix.

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Yeah, and there's a reason I didn't see
it.

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Nobody reads the Phoenix anymore.

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They're broke.

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They don't have any power.

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The Globe does.

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If we cover this story, everybody will
hear about it.

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The church thinks in centuries,
Mr. Resendez.

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Do you think your paper has the resources
to take that on?

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Yeah, I do.

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But if you don't mind me asking,
do you?

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I can't talk to you right now,
Mr. Resendez.

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I'm very, very busy.

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Sharon?

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Thank you.

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Can I at least talk to some of your
clients?

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Victims?

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I'd really like to do that.

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Call me tomorrow.

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I've got to think about it.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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I got more clips from the library.

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Leave them right there.

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Are you guys doing the story on the
church?

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No, we are not doing the story on the
church.

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Matt, you find anything on this guy,
Phil Saviano?

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No.

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Who is he?

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He's part of a victims' organization.

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Kirkton did a story on him right after the
Porter case.

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It's a victims' organization?

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Yeah.

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It's called SNAP.

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It's Survivors Network of Those Abused by
Priests.

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Crummy acronym.

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Want me to track him down?

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Yeah, bring him in.

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How much longer do you need to get through
the clips?

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I mean, a few days.

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There's a lot.

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Lisa's still sending up more.

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Hey, guys.

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I think I got another priest.

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Liam Barrett.

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Molested some kids in Philly and was moved
to Boston.

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Did the same thing and was moved again.

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Really?

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That sounds like Egan.

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Is that one of our clips?

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Yeah.

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Bylines, Diego, Ribbon and Arrow,
1997.

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Must have been back when he was working on
religion.

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Was there any follow-up?

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Not much.

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One short piece.

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The church settled the case.

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Don't you know Jim Sullivan?

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Yeah.

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Why?

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Looks like the church brought him in to
help out.

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Does anybody but Manny got the ball out of
the infield?

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Nope.

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Why do you even bother with that thing?

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Distracts me from the game.

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Know what else is good for that?

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Oh, yeah.

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Good idea.

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Fly around.

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I'll be right back.

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Anybody want any food?

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No.

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I'm all set.

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Hey, a hot dog.

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So, you guys making any progress?

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Absolutely.

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It's a good story.

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Why?

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Because you're another lapsed Catholic,
pissed off at the church?

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Well, we got a lot of good stuff.

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Like what?

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I'm just watching the game.

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I'll murk them.

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I got another priest, Liam Barrett.

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We reported on him.

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I'm just saying, we did.

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Okay, but this guy was shuffled around
from parish to parish every few years,

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just like Davian and Porter.

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I think there's a pattern.

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Sounds thin.

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What else you got?

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Sasha's got another guy from a victim's
organization, Phil Saviano.

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Oh, snap.

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Oh, boy.

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We reported on him, too.

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I thought you were watching a game,
Steve.

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That guy's pretty banged up, Mike.

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We did a couple stories on him.

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Guy would not stop writing letters.

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He wants a holy wall.

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What, so he's not worth talking to?

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Where are you on Garabedian?

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I'm working on it.

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Robbie says McLeese thinks he's bluffing.

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I think there's something there,
Ben.

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We'll see our tails on this.

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Stay away from that trap.

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You couldn't reach that trap in a million
years, partner.

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Couldn't reach that trap before.

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Yeah, now Paul made it.

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How we doing?

25:42.250 --> 25:42.850
We're good.

25:43.530 --> 25:44.630
We're two up on the front.

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Good.

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How's that new editor working out?

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Well, he doesn't like baseball.

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But he seems like a smart guy.

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Yeah, I read an article about him.

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Said he's the first Jewish editor of the
Globe.

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Must have been a slow news day.

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He got a family, this guy?

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No, he is not married.

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Divorced?

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I don't think so, no.

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So the new editor of the Globe is an
unmarried man of the Jewish faith who

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hates baseball.

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Yeah.

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Should have given it to Ben.

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To Bradley, for crying out loud.

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Didn't raise his hand fast enough,
I guess.

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Hey, by the way, I've been reading about
this priest, Father Barrett.

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Said you were involved with that.

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Barrett, yeah.

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Bad egg.

26:31.910 --> 26:32.830
Lake Street asked for help.

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I pitched in.

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Victim said Cardinal Law knew about
Barrett when he came from Philly.

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Is that true?

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You know I can't talk about the case,
Robbie.

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Off the record?

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Off the record, I can't talk about it.

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All right.

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Is this related to a lawsuit?

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You know about that?

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Look, I don't know this guy Barrett or
what his agenda is.

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Frankly, I don't care.

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I just don't want to see you taking a
bullet for him.

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I think you're away.

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So, the other day, I was on the World Wide
Web.

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Anything you want to know, it's right
there.

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Now, I have to admit that as a priest,
this makes me a little nervous.

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Should I be worried about job security?

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I don't think so.

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You see, knowledge is one thing.

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But faith, faith is another.

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Hey.

27:55.430 --> 27:56.110
Hey.

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Shouldn't you be golfing or something?

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Golfing is not a verb.

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And I couldn't get a tee time.

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Is that what they call it?

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Tee time?

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They also call it a leisure activity.

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You ought to try it, Mike.

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I do.

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I run.

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Yeah.

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You run to work.

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So, why are you here today?

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Going over these clips of Saliano.

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Yeah.

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Ben and Steve think it's a dead end.

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They gave me a bunch of crap about it at
the game.

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Yeah, Ben emailed me.

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He did?

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Yeah.

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He said we should let it go.

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What do you want to do?

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I'm going to bring Saliano in.

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So, just ignore those guys?

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I think we got to start ignoring everybody
on this one.

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I'm good at that.

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Oh.

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Do you think Marty has any idea what's
coming down the pike?

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Nope.

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I don't think he cares either.

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That's refreshing.

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Yeah.

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Unless he's wrong.

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I've always been fascinated with the
newspaper business.

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I used to sit in on the lectures with the
Neiman Fellows when I was at Harvard.

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I read that you were an editor once.

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Ah, yes.

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Yeah, that was a very long time ago.

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The Mississippi Register.

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Small diocesan newspaper.

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But for a 30-year-old pastor, it was a big
responsibility.

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Too much at times.

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How so?

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I was close with the Evers brothers.

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We took a stand on civil rights.

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Our readership was not pleased.

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They saw me as a meddling outsider.

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I can imagine.

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Tough seat to sit in, especially in a
small town.

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I think you'll find that Boston's still a
small town too, Marty, in many ways.

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But if I can be of any help, Marty,
don't hesitate to ask.

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I find that this city flourishes when its
great institutions work together.

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Thank you.

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Personally, I'm of the opinion that for a
paper to best perform its function,

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it really needs to stand alone.

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Of course.

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But my offer still stands.

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Thank you.

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Come in.

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Ah.

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Thank you, Maureen.

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A little gift, Marty.

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Think of it as a cardinal's guide to the
city of Boston.

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I'm here to see Sasha Pfeiffer.

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Your name?

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Phil Saviano.

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Okay, just a minute.

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So, am I the first survivor you've talked
to?

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Yeah, I feel you are.

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Okay, well, first of all, let me say thank
you for having me in today.

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And I want you to know that you have the
full cooperation of my organization,

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SNAP.

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How many members are in your organization,
Phil?

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We had eleven at our last chapter meeting.

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No, ten.

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Karen just moved.

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You had a woman in your group?

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Of course it was a woman.

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They don't discriminate, not when it comes
to abuse.

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And this has nothing to do with being gay.

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What this is, is priests using the collar
to rape kids.

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Kids.

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Boys and girls.

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I was eleven.

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And I was prayed upon by Father David
Hawley in Worcester.

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And I don't mean prayed for, I mean prayed
upon.

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Are any of you Catholic?

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I was raised Catholic.

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Now I go to my wife's Presbyterian church.

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I'm lapsed.

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I go to church with my grandmother
sometimes.

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It's safe to say we were all raised
Catholic, but now...

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Not so much.

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Okay, well let me tell you.

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When you're a poor kid from a poor family,
religion counts for a lot.

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And when a priest pays attention to you,
it's a big deal.

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He asks you to collect the hymnals,
or take out the trash, you feel special.

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It's like God asking for help.

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So maybe it's a little weird when he tells
you a dirty joke, but now you got a secret

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together.

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So you go along.

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Then he shows you a porno mag,
and you go along.

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And you go along, and you go along,
until one day he asks you to jerk him off

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or give him a blowjob.

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And so you go along with that too,
because you feel trapped, because he has

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groomed you.

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How do you say no to God, right?

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See, it is important to understand that
this is not just physical abuse,

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it's spiritual abuse too.

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And when a priest does this to you,
he robs you of your faith.

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So you reach for the bottle, or the
needle, or if those don't work,

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you jump off a bridge.

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That's why we call ourselves survivors.

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Have you read Jason Barry's book?

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He wrote about the Gauthier case in
Louisiana.

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That's G-A-U-T-H-E.

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Here, and talk to Richard Seip.

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He worked in one of the church's treatment
centers.

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He's an ex-priest, married a nun.

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Here, this is his testimony from the cost
case.

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Phil, what's a treatment center?

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It's where they send priests when they get
caught.

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This is all right here in the box.

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I sent this all to you guys five years
ago.

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To the Globe.

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Who did you send it to?

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I don't want to say who, but they said
that they weren't interested.

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But Phil, we did run a couple of stories
on you.

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I saw them in the clips.

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Yeah, but to be completely frank,
it wasn't enough.

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You guys got to understand.

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This is big.

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This is not just Boston.

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This is a whole country.

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It's a whole world.

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And it goes right up to the Vatican.

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Do you have any proof of that,
Phil?

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No, not yet.

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But think about it.

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There are so many of them.

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How else could they have hidden it for so
long?

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So many what?

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Oh, priests.

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Priests.

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I know 13 right here in Boston.

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You know 13 priests in Boston who have
molested children?

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Yeah, why do you keep repeating everything
I say?

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I just like to clarify things.

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Maybe you should have clarified it five
years ago when I sent you all of this

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stuff.

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It's all right here.

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May I use your bathroom?

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Yeah, sure, Phil.

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Come on.

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Well, what do you think?

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Well, the guy's got an agenda,
that's for sure.

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He's obviously been through a lot,
but he's smart.

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And he was right about 13 priests.

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Yeah, it might be a big if for this guy.

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Do a background check on him and follow up
with some of the other survivors of his

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group.

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Contract on this ex-priest, Sipe.

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Okay, but stay on Garabedian.

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That's more important.

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Garabedian, what a pain in the ass.

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You could be a pain in the ass,
Mike.

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Mitchell, what a surprise.

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How are you?

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I'm fine, Mr. Resendez.

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Good.

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You know, I haven't heard back from you.

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I left you a couple of messages.

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I know, I've been very busy.

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I don't have time for calls.

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Oh, jeez, I'm sure you don't.

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Listen, Mitchell, let me talk to a couple
of the victims.

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You could sit on the interview,
and if you're not happy, you could kill

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them.

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I spoke to my clients and they don't want
to be in the press.

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I'm sorry.

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I get that, but I don't need to name
names.

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I don't believe you, Mr. Resendez.

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I'm sure you don't.

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Listen, Mitchell, listen to me.

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Mr. Resendez, please, I just want...

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I'm not writing a profile here.

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I'm working on something bigger.

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Bigger?

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I don't know what that means.

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I'm not supposed to tell you this,
but I'm digging around for spotlight.

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Spotlight's on this?

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Yeah, we're looking into it.

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But you've got to help me.

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You've got to let me talk to some of these
victims, please.

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Please.

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I'll come back tomorrow at 9.30 a.m.

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Thank you.

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Ms. Pfeiffer?

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Joe.

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Oh, shoot.

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Oh, that's okay.

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Sorry.

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Please sit.

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Thank you.

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Is this table okay?

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This is perfect.

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I had a muffin while I was waiting.

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Two, actually.

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I eat when I'm nervous.

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I do that too, actually.

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I hope I'm not late.

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Has Phil told me one o'clock?

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No, you're fine.

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Would you mind if I took some notes?

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Would that be all right?

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You don't mind if I take some notes,
do you?

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Are you going to use my name?

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No.

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Not if you don't want me to, no.

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I just had a kid, and he's only one,
but I'm not sure I want him to know about

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this.

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Sure, I get that.

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You can stop this interview at any time,
Patrick.

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Right?

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Okay.

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Go ahead with your notes.

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Okay, so...

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Where did you live when it first happened?

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In the projects, over in Hyde Park.

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Over by the stop and shop?

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Yeah.

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You know it?

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Yeah, I drove a cab for a few years.

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Open early, bad coffee, right?

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Yeah, I guess.

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How old were you when it happened?

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I was twelve.

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Just after my dad killed himself.

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Oh, jeez.

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He was a real piece of shit.

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And my mom, she wasn't so stable either.

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How do you mean?

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I mean, she was nuts.

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She was a schizophrenic.

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Same shit.

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When did you first meet Gagan?

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Well, my sister, she saw him over in the
Dunkin' Donuts.

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Tells him about my old man passing,
and he rushed right over.

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There was this nun, Sister Barbara,
and she ran this group for kids from

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troubled families.

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Where was that?

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St. Ambrose in Dorchester.

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Okay.

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She's the one who introduced me to Father
Shanley.

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He was a street priest.

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Long hair, very hip.

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He invited me to his apartment in Back
Bay.

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Where in Back Bay?

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Beacon Street.

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Are you from here?

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No, I grew up in Ohio, but my mom's from
Southie.

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Okay, so you got it.

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I'd never even seen Back Bay.

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So, what happened on that first visit,
Joe?

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Well, he was very nice at first.

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Very funny.

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Very casual.

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And I think he could tell I was gay.

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So he showed me this mobile he had,
like over a baby's crib.

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But with different words.

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Homosexual, transsexual, bisexual.

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Okay, and did you know you were gay at
that time, Joe?

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Yeah, but that wasn't information I was
sharing with anybody.

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Not in Dorchester.

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Okay.

40:12.200 --> 40:14.640
So, what happened after he showed you the
mobile?

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Well, I was a little freaked out.

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And I think he could tell.

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So he said, you know what'll help is if we
play strip poker.

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Of course I lost.

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And things went on from there.

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Can you tell me specifically what
happened?

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Specifically, he molested me.

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Joe, I think that language is going to be
so important here.

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We can't sanitize this.

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Just saying molest isn't enough.

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People need to know what actually
happened.

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We should probably get these to go.

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Right.

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Gagan shows up and my mom, you know,
she's thrilled.

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And this was like God showing up,
you know?

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Sure, right.

41:09.770 --> 41:10.470
So what happened then?

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You really want to hear this shit?

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Yeah, yeah, Patrick, I do.

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He offers to take me to get ice cream.

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You know, he's a priest.

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I'm a kid, so I go.

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Sure.

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So we're driving home and he...

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He starts patting my leg.

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You know, then...

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His hand just slides right up and he grabs
my dick.

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You know, I just froze up.

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I was fucking petrified.

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I couldn't move.

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I didn't know what to do.

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I was just a little kid.

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Yeah.

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You know, I never even touched my ice
cream.

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It just melted down my arm.

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Did you, um... Did you see him again after
that?

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Yeah.

42:29.490 --> 42:29.530
Yeah.

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All right.

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That's good.

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Let's stop there for now.

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Sure.

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He said it was a way to make me more
comfortable with my body.

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So what happened after that?

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Well, he took off his clothes and he said,
I've been so depressed, but maybe you can

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cheer me up and give me a blowjob.

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Classic guy.

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And did you?

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Yeah.

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I know what you must be thinking.

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Like, why would I ever do that to some
creepy guy who's 30 years older than me?

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But what we have to understand is that
this is the first time in my life that

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someone told me that it was okay to be
gay.

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And it was a priest.

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So you had oral sex?

43:15.730 --> 43:16.870
Did you have intercourse?

43:19.210 --> 43:19.630
Yes.

43:19.630 --> 43:20.790
Not then, but later.

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It really messed me up.

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I'm sober now, but that was the beginning
of it all.

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It's very confusing, you know,
to be introduced to sex like that and then

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to be attracted to men.

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I'm sorry.

43:44.720 --> 43:45.960
I knew I was going to do this.

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Oh, I'm sorry.

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Don't be sorry.

43:48.140 --> 43:49.040
It's okay, Joe.

43:49.120 --> 43:49.500
It's okay.

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Of course, there is a church right there.

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And a playground.

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Joe, did you ever try and tell anyone?

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I'm not like a priest.

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Can I use your phone?

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Yeah, sure.

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You know where it is.

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You can use my name if you want.

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Thanks, Patrick.

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Don't thank me.

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Just get these assholes, will you?

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He's one of the lucky ones.

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He's still alive.

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Do you want a cup of tea, Sasha?

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I'm okay, Nana.

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Thanks.

44:39.290 --> 44:39.650
Hello.

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Hi, Joe.

44:40.410 --> 44:41.010
It's Sasha Pfeiffer.

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Hi, Sasha.

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How are you?

44:42.630 --> 44:43.410
I'm good, thanks.

44:43.830 --> 44:46.850
Um, listen, Joe, I just wanted to follow
up on one thing.

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You talked to Phil Saviano about all of
this, right?

44:50.190 --> 44:50.790
Yeah, I did.

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I went to a couple of snap meetings.

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And did Phil ever suggest you do anything
about it?

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No.

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The meetings weren't really about that.

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I mean, a cup is worth it.

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Why not?

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There were just so many forms to fill out.

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It was overwhelming, you know?

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And he said he could only get me a small
settlement, so...

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Who said that?

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The lawyer told me that.

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So, you did go and see a lawyer?

45:16.240 --> 45:19.940
Yeah, but I didn't end up using him,
so I didn't think it was important.

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I'm sorry, I'm not trying to hide
anything.

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No, I know, Joe.

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Do you remember his name?

45:25.700 --> 45:26.100
The lawyer?

45:26.640 --> 45:29.020
No, but maybe Phil would know.

45:29.680 --> 45:32.000
The guy was on TV a lot during the Porter
case.

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He was handsome.

45:34.140 --> 45:35.060
Was it Eric McLeish?

45:35.560 --> 45:36.300
Yeah, that's it.

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McLeish.

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I thought he was very handsome.

45:42.900 --> 45:43.380
Hey.

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Hey.

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I was just in the newsroom.

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Judge Sweeney set a date for the hearing.

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Really?

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When?

45:49.600 --> 45:50.880
Two weeks, in Springfield.

45:51.660 --> 45:52.880
Canelo started a pool.

45:53.000 --> 45:53.820
Ten bucks to get in.

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Anyone picking the globe?

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He's only taking bets on how fast Sweeney
rules against us.

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Robbie.

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Hi, it's me.

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Did you get my message?

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I did.

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Looks like Father Shanley could be our
fourth priest.

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Yeah, I think he is.

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Did you follow up with McLeish?

46:09.480 --> 46:10.300
I just talked to Phil.

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He said McLeish dealt with a number of
these cases.

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I guess he forgot to mention that.

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Yeah.

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I'm gonna go to the courthouse tomorrow,
see if I can find any cases he settled

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against the church.

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Alright, call me after you do.

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Good night.

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Okay.

46:23.140 --> 46:23.440
Good night.

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Hey, you wanted to chat?

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Yeah, I'm late for dinner.

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You wanna walk me out?

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Sure.

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Jeez.

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Is this guy ever gone?

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Apparently not.

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I got guys who won't leave till he does.

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He's wearing out the goddamn newsroom.

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Where are we in Gagin?

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Ah, following up on more victims.

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Hey, I want to expand the investigation.

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Why?

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We got a fourth priest.

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Might be as many as 13.

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13?

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Yeah.

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Who's your source?

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Tell Saviano.

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Jesus Christ, Robbie.

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I told Mike, that guy's a fucking...

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I know, I know, I know.

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I think Saviano might be legit,
Ben.

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You want to elaborate on that?

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No.

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Not really.

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It just feels like this thing's stacking
up.

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It's my gut.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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Good.

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Thank you.

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Hello?

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Mr. Resendez?

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Uh, yeah.

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Who's this?

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It's Richard Sipe.

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Oh, yeah.

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Hey, Richard.

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How are you?

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I'm good.

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Uh, thanks for calling.

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Look, uh, Phil Saviano gave me your name.

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I was wondering if I could ask you a few
questions.

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Of course.

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Yeah.

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Great.

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Uh, so Phil told me that you were working
at one of the church's treatment centers

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in Baltimore?

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Yes.

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The Seton Psychiatric Institute.

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It was run by the Daughters of Charity.

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And, uh, when was that, Richard?

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Well, I started my psychotherapy
fellowship there in 1965.

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And I was there for five years,
but I spent the next 30 studying abusive

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priests and their victims.

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Really?

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And that's been your sole focus?

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Look, Mike, the church wants us to believe
that it's just a few bad apples.

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But it's a much bigger problem.

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How much bigger, Richard?

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Well, based on the research, I would
classify it as a recognizable psychiatric

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phenomenon.

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That's big.

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Hey, Mac.

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Hey.

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Yeah, if I wanted historical data on a
priest's parishes he'd been assigned to,

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where would I find it?

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The Gagin case?

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It's all in the clips.

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Lise has the source material.

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Yeah, what if it was for another priest,
one that hadn't been in the papers?

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You're looking at another priest?

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Who are you looking at?

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Any ideas?

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Oh, come on, Matt, you're not gonna tell
me?

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I've gotta get to a meeting.

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Thanks, Mac.

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Hey, Steve.

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The Archdiocese puts out an annual
directory.

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Every priest and parish.

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That's great.

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Do these go back any further than 98?

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Oh, yeah, they're going back to the 80s
and the mez.

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Beyond that, you gotta go to the BPL.

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The mez, huh?

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Thanks, Lisa.

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You bet.

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They all target the same kind of kid.

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Low-income families, absentee fathers,
broken homes.

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So a guy like Gagin goes after boys not
because he prefers them, but because they

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have more shame, less likely to talk.

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These guys are predators, Robin.

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I talked to Sipes.

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He said he's seen dozens of them in the
60s in Seton.

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He called it a phenomenon.

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Why didn't he go public?

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He did, but the church made a huge effort
to discredit him.

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Smear campaigns, public statements by
prominent bishops.

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It's just like Saviano said, and
Garabedian.

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You getting anywhere with him?

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More victims.

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More victims?

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You can't empty his pocket.

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I'll get to him.

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I just need more time.

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Come on, Michael.

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You gotta get him.

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I'll get him.

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I'll get him.

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Jesus, what the hell is that smell?

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There's a dead rat in the corner.

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What have you got?

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Church directories.

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It's every priest in Massachusetts,
what parish they're assigned to.

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Are these official?

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Yeah, I figured it could help us track
down some of the priests that Saviano

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mentioned.

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Maybe find some more victims.

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Let me turn on some more lights in here.

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I couldn't find that switch.

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You want to borrow my glasses?

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No, I'm good.

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I'm good.

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Look, 1983.

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John Gagin, St. Brenda's Parish,
Dorchester.

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So we can find out where any priest is at
any given year?

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Yeah, I got him here.

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Huh.

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What?

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1980, the year Gagin was pulled from JP.

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It says he's on sick leave.

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Come on, it really says that?

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Where is 1991?

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Yeah, here you go.

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Let's see this.

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Barrett, Barrett, Liam.

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I can't read that.

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Look for Liam Barrett in there.

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1991 is the year they pulled him out of
Charleston.

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Barrett, Liam.

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Yeah.

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Sick leave.

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It's an official designation.

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Let's get these upstairs.

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Matt, check on those priests Saviano gave
us.

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Roger.

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Hey, are you down at the courthouse?

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Yeah.

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Something's not right here.

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Nothing on Shani either, Sasha.

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Okay, thanks.

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Yeah, we need to go talk to MacLeish
again.

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Really?

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Why?

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Huh?

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There's nothing here.

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There aren't any records.

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Thanks for waiting.

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So sorry, guys.

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Stuck on a call.

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Not a problem.

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How are you?

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Good.

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Thanks for meeting us.

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You bet.

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What's up, guys?

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Mr. MacLeish, are you familiar with a
priest named Paul Shanley?

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Yes, I am familiar with him.

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And have you settled cases against Father
Shanley?

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As I'm sure you can understand,
I can't discuss that with you.

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Yeah, how about Father Ronald Paquin?

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Well, I can't discuss that with you
either.

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Come on, guys.

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We understand you've settled several cases
against each of them.

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Even if I'd been involved in those cases,
the settlements would be confidential and

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I could be disbarred for acknowledging
their existence.

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Okay?

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Uh-huh.

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Look, I told you guys these are tough
cases.

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Most of these folks, they just want some
acknowledgment of what happened.

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We got them a sit-down with the bishop and
a little dough, and that's the best they

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could hope for.

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Well, certainly the best a priest could
hope for.

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No, the church promised to take the
priests out of circulation.

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Did you follow up on that?

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Do you guys need anything else?

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Yes.

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Why aren't there any records?

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I was down at the courthouse earlier.

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There aren't any records of any of these
settlements.

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We dealt directly with the church.

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We would draw up a demand letter and send
it to the chancery.

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You never filed anything in court?

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It's a private mediation.

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So, this is just you and the archdiocese
lawyers in a room?

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Correct.

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Anyone else?

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Occasionally, the church would bring in
another defense attorney to help out.

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You have names?

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Nope.

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No, I don't.

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So, this was all under the table?

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There's no paper trail.

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At all.

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The victim has to sign a confidentiality
agreement to get the settlement.

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The lawyer takes a third, and the church
sweeps it under the rug.

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Jesus, that's a freaking racket!

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It's more complicated than that.

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McLeish has got a duty to the client to
get the best deal he can.

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Sure.

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But how many victims do you represent and
profit from before you say something?

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Garabedian would say none.

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And that's why he's taking these cases to
court, because he wants people to know

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about this.

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I agree.

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And legal ethics aside, Ben, I mean,
operating the way McLeish has all but

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guarantees that the abuse stays under
wraps.

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Yeah.

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Did McLeish confirm all Saviano's priests?

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No.

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He's limited by his confidentiality
agreement.

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But clearly he's settled cases against a
number of them.

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He has put me in touch with some of the
other victims.

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I'm pretty confident all of his priests
are gonna check out.

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So it is 13 priests?

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Yeah.

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Looks that way.

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Holy shit.

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Okay, keep going.

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I'm sorry, what was the name again?

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Uh, Baron.

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B-A-R-O-N.

54:36.960 --> 54:38.800
I'm having trouble finding it.

54:38.840 --> 54:39.680
Just give me a second.

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It's okay, Kim.

54:41.020 --> 54:41.960
I can vouch for it.

54:42.640 --> 54:43.420
I'm Pete Connolly.

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I'm on the board of Catholic Charities.

54:45.400 --> 54:47.040
Welcome to Boston, Mr. Baron.

54:47.580 --> 54:48.120
Thank you.

54:48.500 --> 54:49.660
I appreciate you joining us.

54:50.320 --> 54:52.500
We're very proud of the work we do here at
Boston.

54:53.620 --> 54:55.320
Oh, the Cardinal said you had a nice
visit.

54:56.340 --> 54:57.540
Yes, we did.

54:57.880 --> 54:59.160
He's an extraordinary man.

54:59.580 --> 55:00.800
I'm glad you had a chance to chat.

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Enjoying yourself?

55:17.740 --> 55:21.500
Uh, to be honest, these events aren't
really my strong suit.

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Yeah.

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Are you involved with the charity?

55:24.860 --> 55:26.120
Not directly, no.

55:26.320 --> 55:27.380
Several of my friends are.

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We all went to high school at B.C.

55:29.820 --> 55:30.060
High.

55:30.180 --> 55:32.600
That's a school across the street from the
Globe.

55:32.980 --> 55:33.880
It's hard to miss.

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Yeah.

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Hard to get away from, too, apparently.

55:37.240 --> 55:44.260
Well, the Cardinal's in the corner,
if you're so inclined.

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We've met.

55:45.860 --> 55:46.260
Really?

55:46.700 --> 55:48.120
Did he mention the suit?

55:49.020 --> 55:51.340
No, but he did give me a copy of the
Catechism.

55:52.660 --> 55:55.220
Yeah, well, the Cardinal's not known for
his subtlety.

55:55.980 --> 55:59.800
During the Porter investigation,
he literally called down the power of God

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on the Globe.

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How'd that play out?

56:03.820 --> 56:06.300
Weeks later, I heard her broke his leg
skiing.

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Shrimp toast, gentlemen?

56:10.160 --> 56:10.880
No, thanks.

56:13.180 --> 56:16.160
You said one of the victims filed a
criminal complaint?

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Yeah, there were a few of them.

56:20.280 --> 56:23.540
But the judge had the case record sealed
after friends of the church complained.

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And the church has a lot of friends.

56:26.440 --> 56:27.220
Like Eric McLeish?

56:29.100 --> 56:29.500
Yeah.

56:30.480 --> 56:33.440
Let's just say he's not part of the
solution.

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You follow what I'm saying?

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Sure.

56:36.320 --> 56:37.660
You work hard, Mr. Resendez.

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Are you married?

56:40.120 --> 56:40.520
Yeah.

56:40.980 --> 56:42.440
Your wife doesn't mind you working all the
time?

56:42.740 --> 56:43.580
Oh, yeah, she does.

56:46.240 --> 56:47.400
That's why I never got married.

56:48.400 --> 56:48.960
I'm too busy.

56:49.880 --> 56:51.080
What I do is too important.

56:55.960 --> 56:57.540
Your new editor, he's a Jew, right?

56:58.660 --> 56:59.800
Oh, that's right, yeah.

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See, he comes in and suddenly everybody's
interested in the church.

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You know why?

57:06.960 --> 57:09.800
Because it takes an outsider, like me.

57:10.540 --> 57:11.320
I'm Armenian.

57:12.160 --> 57:14.120
How many Armenians do you know in Boston?

57:15.660 --> 57:17.140
Steve Kirchner works at the Globe.

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Oh, that's two.

57:19.800 --> 57:21.100
You should get a prize or something.

57:21.900 --> 57:22.900
What are you, Italian?

57:23.480 --> 57:24.020
Portuguese.

57:25.520 --> 57:26.240
From where?

57:27.540 --> 57:27.900
East Boston.

57:29.760 --> 57:30.200
Really?

57:30.860 --> 57:31.560
East Boston?

57:33.520 --> 57:34.580
You don't sound like it.

57:41.470 --> 57:44.910
This city, these people...

57:46.030 --> 57:47.830
making the rest of us feel like we don't
belong.

57:49.050 --> 57:50.290
But they know better than us.

57:51.290 --> 57:52.410
Look at how they treat their children.

57:55.310 --> 57:56.850
Mark my words, Mr. Resendez.

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If it takes a village to raise a child,
it takes a village to abuse one.

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Hey, here he is.

58:07.270 --> 58:08.030
Want a beer?

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Another?

58:11.010 --> 58:11.830
You here with Barbara?

58:12.330 --> 58:13.010
No, no.

58:13.210 --> 58:14.390
She hates these things.

58:14.710 --> 58:15.230
Karen, too.

58:15.750 --> 58:16.410
Smart ladies.

58:17.410 --> 58:18.450
Slideshow, slideshow.

58:20.650 --> 58:22.050
And that's your new editor.

58:23.370 --> 58:24.470
Seems like a decent fellow.

58:24.930 --> 58:25.790
I think he is.

58:28.050 --> 58:32.170
Hey, I had an interesting conversation
with Eric McCleese the other day.

58:33.110 --> 58:37.510
Turns out he's been settling abuse cases
with the Archdiocese for years.

58:38.990 --> 58:41.050
You really want to talk about this here?

58:41.730 --> 58:46.590
Jim, you said you helped out on Father
Barrett as a favor.

58:47.530 --> 58:48.490
That was a one-off.

58:52.270 --> 58:54.690
How many of these cases have you been
involved with?

58:55.890 --> 58:57.930
You know I can't answer that, Robbie.

58:58.050 --> 58:58.790
It's unethical.

59:00.050 --> 59:01.170
Is that all of these?

59:05.070 --> 59:10.290
So, this would be the Robbie Robinson I've
always heard about but never met.

59:12.230 --> 59:13.230
Listen to me, Jimmy.

59:14.450 --> 59:16.410
You want to be on the right side of this.

59:18.850 --> 59:21.830
This is the church you're talking about,
Robbie.

59:21.950 --> 59:22.410
Look around.

59:22.490 --> 59:23.390
These are good people.

59:23.530 --> 59:25.230
Done a lot of good for this city.

59:27.130 --> 59:27.990
Enjoy the party.

59:37.440 --> 59:38.780
I've been through a lot of these now.

59:39.300 --> 59:42.660
Sick leave isn't the only designation they
use when they take one of these priests

59:42.660 --> 59:43.280
out of circulation.

59:43.640 --> 59:44.760
They use a slew of terms.

59:44.940 --> 59:45.860
Absent on leave.

59:46.820 --> 59:47.220
Unassigned.

59:47.480 --> 59:48.080
Emergency response.

59:48.820 --> 59:50.000
You've got to work for everything these
guys.

59:50.260 --> 59:50.980
Except rape.

59:50.980 --> 59:54.280
And they move parishes way more frequently
than other priests.

59:54.400 --> 59:57.260
When I was a kid, a priest moved after
seven or eight years, sometimes longer.

59:57.340 --> 59:59.240
These guys, two to three years tops.

59:59.600 --> 01:00:02.240
And did they use these designations for
Los Savianos priests?

01:00:02.360 --> 01:00:02.540
Yeah.

01:00:03.180 --> 01:00:04.020
It's a pretty clear pattern.

01:00:04.400 --> 01:00:05.660
Guys, I got Skype.

01:00:06.460 --> 01:00:10.780
I think if you really want to understand
the crisis, you need to start with the

01:00:10.780 --> 01:00:11.780
celibacy requirement.

01:00:12.160 --> 01:00:13.580
That was my first major finding.

01:00:14.420 --> 01:00:16.760
Only 50% of the clergy are celibate.

01:00:17.860 --> 01:00:20.780
Now, most of them are having sex with
other adults.

01:00:21.280 --> 01:00:25.660
But the fact remains that this creates a
culture of secrecy that tolerates and even

01:00:25.660 --> 01:00:26.980
protects pedophiles.

01:00:28.420 --> 01:00:32.240
So you believe the church is aware of the
extent of this crisis?

01:00:32.700 --> 01:00:33.360
Oh, absolutely.

01:00:33.800 --> 01:00:37.660
After the first major scandal in
Louisiana, Tom Doyle, the secretary

01:00:37.660 --> 01:00:41.540
canonist for the papal nuncio,
co-authored a report warning pedophile

01:00:41.540 --> 01:00:43.700
priests were a billion dollar liability.

01:00:44.640 --> 01:00:45.460
That was in 1985.

01:00:46.760 --> 01:00:47.000
1985?

01:00:47.960 --> 01:00:48.360
That's right.

01:00:49.260 --> 01:00:50.500
Who saw that report?

01:00:50.560 --> 01:00:51.800
Anyone from the Catholic hierarchy?

01:00:52.360 --> 01:00:52.920
Sure.

01:00:53.800 --> 01:00:57.280
Doyle tried to introduce the report at the
National Conference of Catholic Bishops.

01:00:57.980 --> 01:01:01.260
In fact, Cardinal Law initially helped to
fund the report.

01:01:01.880 --> 01:01:03.680
But then he backed out and they shelved
it.

01:01:04.320 --> 01:01:05.100
Are you kidding me?

01:01:05.180 --> 01:01:07.280
Richard, Robbie here.

01:01:07.800 --> 01:01:14.720
We think we have 13 priests in Boston that
fit this pattern, which would be a very,

01:01:14.960 --> 01:01:16.040
very big story.

01:01:16.760 --> 01:01:19.160
Does that sound right to you in terms of
scale?

01:01:20.360 --> 01:01:21.440
No, not really, Robbie.

01:01:21.820 --> 01:01:22.720
Sounds low to me.

01:01:24.000 --> 01:01:27.340
My estimates suggest 6% act out sexually
with minors.

01:01:28.500 --> 01:01:30.040
6% of what?

01:01:30.800 --> 01:01:32.200
6% of all priests.

01:01:33.100 --> 01:01:34.720
How many priests do we have in Boston?

01:01:35.100 --> 01:01:35.960
About 1,500.

01:01:36.120 --> 01:01:37.080
1% is 15.

01:01:37.240 --> 01:01:40.080
6% is 90.

01:01:42.420 --> 01:01:43.920
Wait, 90 priests?

01:01:44.520 --> 01:01:45.200
Is that possible?

01:01:46.760 --> 01:01:48.640
From a religious standpoint, yes.

01:01:49.500 --> 01:01:51.740
That would certainly be in line with my
findings.

01:01:58.100 --> 01:01:58.660
Call.

01:01:59.080 --> 01:01:59.520
Bye.

01:02:01.940 --> 01:02:03.940
90 fucking priests in Boston.

01:02:04.620 --> 01:02:05.440
That's what he said.

01:02:06.900 --> 01:02:09.360
If there were 90 of these bastards,
people would know.

01:02:09.740 --> 01:02:10.280
Maybe they do.

01:02:11.240 --> 01:02:12.200
And no one said a thing?

01:02:13.440 --> 01:02:14.000
They're Germans.

01:02:15.120 --> 01:02:17.420
I don't think that's a comparison you want
to make publicly.

01:02:19.420 --> 01:02:20.680
He just didn't say anything.

01:02:21.000 --> 01:02:22.220
That's 13 priests.

01:02:22.720 --> 01:02:24.860
There's a big difference between 13 and
90.

01:02:24.960 --> 01:02:26.320
Where's this guy Sipe getting his numbers?

01:02:26.640 --> 01:02:28.520
Well, he's been studying it for 30 years.

01:02:28.700 --> 01:02:30.300
He is a trained psychotherapist.

01:02:30.360 --> 01:02:34.540
Okay, but we need something more than a
metric from some hippie ex-priest who's

01:02:34.540 --> 01:02:35.380
shacking up with a nun.

01:02:35.780 --> 01:02:37.780
Okay, so we'll track down more victims.

01:02:38.180 --> 01:02:38.960
We'll get more priests.

01:02:39.160 --> 01:02:41.400
Then we could check them against the
directories.

01:02:41.480 --> 01:02:42.580
That's a shitload of victims.

01:02:43.200 --> 01:02:43.740
We'll get there.

01:02:44.780 --> 01:02:45.740
How long is it going to take?

01:02:47.260 --> 01:02:47.980
Too long.

01:02:50.260 --> 01:02:51.380
Wait, the meeting's over?

01:02:51.560 --> 01:02:52.500
Yeah, for now.

01:02:55.080 --> 01:02:55.860
Look, what do you got?

01:02:56.140 --> 01:02:57.180
What if we work backwards?

01:02:58.100 --> 01:02:58.620
What do you mean?

01:02:58.680 --> 01:02:59.020
From what?

01:02:59.200 --> 01:03:00.100
From the directories.

01:03:00.400 --> 01:03:02.300
We've been using them to confirm bad
priests.

01:03:02.420 --> 01:03:03.480
What if we do it the other way around?

01:03:03.720 --> 01:03:05.340
Use the directories to identify bad
priests?

01:03:05.440 --> 01:03:06.060
Yeah, exactly.

01:03:06.180 --> 01:03:07.380
We search by designation.

01:03:07.720 --> 01:03:10.700
We look for any priest on sick leave or
unassigned.

01:03:10.740 --> 01:03:11.820
Right, they've been moved around a lot.

01:03:12.600 --> 01:03:13.900
This can take a load of work.

01:03:13.900 --> 01:03:15.800
Well, not if we're all honest.

01:03:16.580 --> 01:03:16.920
You too?

01:03:17.740 --> 01:03:19.660
Generally, that's what all it means,
yeah.

01:03:19.660 --> 01:03:20.420
Yeah, generally.

01:04:15.000 --> 01:04:16.040
Library's closing.

01:04:19.410 --> 01:04:20.610
Library's closing.

01:04:30.220 --> 01:04:31.260
Holy shit.

01:05:19.060 --> 01:05:20.560
No freaking way.

01:05:30.060 --> 01:05:30.780
Talbot?

01:05:31.100 --> 01:05:31.320
Yep.

01:05:31.540 --> 01:05:31.900
Tiffanin?

01:05:32.060 --> 01:05:32.280
Yep.

01:05:33.080 --> 01:05:33.400
Thoma?

01:05:33.640 --> 01:05:33.880
Yep.

01:05:34.060 --> 01:05:34.440
Turnball?

01:05:34.640 --> 01:05:34.920
Yep.

01:05:35.640 --> 01:05:36.040
Walsh?

01:05:36.340 --> 01:05:36.740
Yep.

01:05:36.880 --> 01:05:37.240
Welsh?

01:05:37.480 --> 01:05:37.860
Yep.

01:05:38.160 --> 01:05:38.760
That's it?

01:05:38.980 --> 01:05:39.460
That's it.

01:05:39.460 --> 01:05:40.420
Holy shit.

01:05:40.560 --> 01:05:40.900
Robbie?

01:05:41.160 --> 01:05:42.620
That's three off-site to estimate.

01:05:42.780 --> 01:05:43.400
That's incredible.

01:05:43.720 --> 01:05:43.920
Robbie.

01:05:44.740 --> 01:05:45.280
How many?

01:05:45.540 --> 01:05:46.140
Eighty-seven.

01:05:46.300 --> 01:05:47.540
Eighty-seven priests in Boston.

01:05:50.700 --> 01:05:51.540
Call McLeish.

01:05:52.160 --> 01:05:53.340
I want to talk to him.

01:05:53.500 --> 01:05:55.100
Can you print it?

01:05:56.220 --> 01:05:57.160
Sure I can.

01:05:59.760 --> 01:06:00.980
Jim Sullivan's office?

01:06:01.480 --> 01:06:03.600
Yeah, Walter Robinson for Jim Sullivan.

01:06:03.860 --> 01:06:05.060
Tell him it's important, please.

01:06:05.620 --> 01:06:06.600
One moment, please.

01:06:08.360 --> 01:06:08.760
Everything

01:06:13.010 --> 01:06:13.230
okay?

01:06:13.590 --> 01:06:15.110
I need you to tell me something,
Jim.

01:06:15.870 --> 01:06:17.150
Could it be ninety priests?

01:06:17.970 --> 01:06:18.370
What?

01:06:18.710 --> 01:06:20.010
Could it be as high as ninety?

01:06:20.990 --> 01:06:21.730
Jesus, Robbie.

01:06:22.290 --> 01:06:23.530
I need to know, Jim.

01:06:23.910 --> 01:06:25.610
I wouldn't be asking if it wasn't
important.

01:06:27.930 --> 01:06:29.210
You're gonna stop this, Robbie.

01:06:38.400 --> 01:06:40.380
Robbie, McLeish's assistant said he's all
booked up.

01:06:40.420 --> 01:06:41.140
He can't see us.

01:06:41.900 --> 01:06:43.720
Yeah, well, the hell he can.

01:06:49.480 --> 01:06:50.740
Alright, that'll be fun.

01:06:55.350 --> 01:06:55.770
You know what?

01:06:55.790 --> 01:06:56.570
I'll catch up with you, okay?

01:06:57.050 --> 01:06:57.270
Okay.

01:06:58.930 --> 01:07:00.470
Hey, guys, I'm really sorry.

01:07:00.630 --> 01:07:00.990
I am.

01:07:01.090 --> 01:07:02.410
I don't have any time to talk right now.

01:07:02.870 --> 01:07:05.570
Mr. McLeish, we have reason to believe
that there are allegations against as many

01:07:05.570 --> 01:07:06.870
as eighty-seven priests in Boston.

01:07:08.070 --> 01:07:09.470
I can't talk to you about that.

01:07:09.750 --> 01:07:11.030
Does that number sound right to you?

01:07:11.110 --> 01:07:11.750
You gotta be kidding me.

01:07:11.770 --> 01:07:14.110
I just told you I don't have time for this
crap right now.

01:07:14.110 --> 01:07:15.650
How many priests did you sell?

01:07:17.230 --> 01:07:18.670
Robbie, you know I can't tell you that.

01:07:18.870 --> 01:07:21.710
You're gonna give me the names and the
names of their victims.

01:07:23.750 --> 01:07:25.310
Are you threatening me?

01:07:25.650 --> 01:07:27.150
We've got two stories here.

01:07:27.670 --> 01:07:29.290
We've got a story about degenerate clergy.

01:07:29.690 --> 01:07:33.550
And we've got a story about a bunch of
lawyers turning child abuse into a cottage

01:07:33.550 --> 01:07:34.090
industry.

01:07:35.010 --> 01:07:37.310
Now, which story do you want us to write?

01:07:37.410 --> 01:07:38.410
Because we're writing one of them.

01:07:42.330 --> 01:07:44.790
I already sent you a list of names.

01:07:46.210 --> 01:07:47.450
What are you talking about?

01:07:47.510 --> 01:07:47.810
To whom?

01:07:48.190 --> 01:07:48.930
The Globe.

01:07:49.470 --> 01:07:50.310
Years ago.

01:07:50.950 --> 01:07:53.110
After the Porter case, I got plenty of
calls.

01:07:53.250 --> 01:07:56.990
I had twenty priests in Boston alone,
but I couldn't go after them without the

01:07:56.990 --> 01:07:57.310
press.

01:07:57.650 --> 01:08:01.910
So I sent you guys a list of names,
and you buried it.

01:08:04.070 --> 01:08:05.590
I want those names tomorrow.

01:08:05.970 --> 01:08:07.210
Check your goddamn clips, Robbie.

01:08:09.890 --> 01:08:11.510
They didn't find anything in the clips.

01:08:12.090 --> 01:08:13.390
Yeah, big surprise.

01:08:15.850 --> 01:08:18.310
Richard, do you still go to Mass?

01:08:18.990 --> 01:08:19.470
No.

01:08:19.930 --> 01:08:21.510
No, I haven't been to church for some time
now.

01:08:21.850 --> 01:08:23.530
But I still consider myself a Catholic.

01:08:24.370 --> 01:08:25.470
How does that work?

01:08:26.150 --> 01:08:28.670
Well, the church is an institution,
Mike.

01:08:29.070 --> 01:08:29.870
Made of men.

01:08:30.650 --> 01:08:31.530
It's passing.

01:08:32.450 --> 01:08:33.770
My faith is in the eternal.

01:08:35.050 --> 01:08:36.210
I try to separate the two.

01:08:37.270 --> 01:08:38.090
Sounds tricky.

01:08:38.750 --> 01:08:39.550
It is.

01:08:40.050 --> 01:08:42.470
Especially since the church continues to
go after me.

01:08:43.270 --> 01:08:44.310
It takes a toll, Mike.

01:08:45.030 --> 01:08:47.130
They'll try to silence anyone who speaks
out.

01:08:47.250 --> 01:08:49.270
I'm sure they'll come after you and your
team soon enough.

01:08:49.690 --> 01:08:50.110
Really?

01:08:50.390 --> 01:08:51.750
And how do you think they'd do that?

01:08:56.940 --> 01:08:57.420
Hello?

01:08:57.420 --> 01:08:57.900
Richard?

01:09:04.880 --> 01:09:05.620
Who is it?

01:09:06.280 --> 01:09:07.740
It's the Archbishop of Canterbury.

01:09:12.110 --> 01:09:13.470
Had dinner at Santarpio's.

01:09:13.510 --> 01:09:14.150
Had some leftovers.

01:09:14.350 --> 01:09:15.470
Ah, you're the freaking best.

01:09:16.390 --> 01:09:16.730
Thanks.

01:09:17.110 --> 01:09:17.550
Want a beer?

01:09:18.390 --> 01:09:18.730
Yeah.

01:09:19.710 --> 01:09:20.130
You got it.

01:09:21.090 --> 01:09:21.430
Jesus.

01:09:22.850 --> 01:09:24.250
How long are you going to be in this
shithole?

01:09:24.510 --> 01:09:25.810
Yeah, I'm working on it.

01:09:26.850 --> 01:09:27.890
She's a good girl, Mike.

01:09:28.410 --> 01:09:29.150
Yeah, she is.

01:09:30.010 --> 01:09:30.710
We'll figure it out.

01:09:31.450 --> 01:09:32.750
I haven't had a lot of time lately.

01:09:33.970 --> 01:09:35.670
I just got off the phone with Sleip,
actually.

01:09:36.510 --> 01:09:38.070
Have you met this guy in person yet?

01:09:38.790 --> 01:09:41.150
No, but his knowledge of this is on a
whole other level.

01:09:42.050 --> 01:09:42.970
I'm freaking starving.

01:09:45.050 --> 01:09:46.910
So, where are we with the 90?

01:09:48.250 --> 01:09:49.070
We're close.

01:09:49.470 --> 01:09:49.970
How close?

01:09:50.710 --> 01:09:51.150
We're close.

01:09:51.530 --> 01:09:52.890
Just answer the question, will ya?

01:09:56.190 --> 01:09:57.530
We got 87 names.

01:09:58.610 --> 01:09:59.750
We're trying to get confirmation.

01:09:59.930 --> 01:10:00.370
I think we will.

01:10:03.250 --> 01:10:04.330
Something bugging you?

01:10:05.510 --> 01:10:06.830
It's just surprising, that's all.

01:10:07.910 --> 01:10:08.510
Yeah.

01:10:09.410 --> 01:10:10.110
Yeah, it is.

01:10:10.850 --> 01:10:11.390
For everybody.

01:10:16.920 --> 01:10:17.800
Oh, hey, Ben.

01:10:18.560 --> 01:10:19.420
Forgot to ask you.

01:10:20.240 --> 01:10:23.680
Hey, Phil Salviano said he sent a bunch of
info over to the Globe years ago.

01:10:23.760 --> 01:10:24.600
Do you have any idea to who?

01:10:25.420 --> 01:10:26.040
No, why?

01:10:26.720 --> 01:10:27.940
Well, I'm just curious.

01:10:28.040 --> 01:10:29.660
I wanted to see if there's any leads you
guys didn't run out.

01:10:30.720 --> 01:10:32.940
Salviano was a fucking train wreck five
years ago, Mike.

01:10:32.960 --> 01:10:33.700
We didn't miss anything.

01:10:34.420 --> 01:10:35.620
This story needed spotlight.

01:10:37.400 --> 01:10:38.160
Yeah, I agree.

01:10:38.260 --> 01:10:39.220
I'm just following up.

01:10:42.260 --> 01:10:42.800
Good night.

01:10:43.260 --> 01:10:43.880
Yeah, good night.

01:10:48.670 --> 01:10:49.510
This is unbelievable.

01:10:50.250 --> 01:10:51.450
When did you get this?

01:10:51.790 --> 01:10:53.310
McLeish emailed the list this morning.

01:10:53.830 --> 01:10:56.070
He settled cases against 45 priests.

01:10:57.190 --> 01:10:58.250
Where are we on law?

01:10:58.810 --> 01:11:00.730
Anything that shows he had knowledge of
this?

01:11:00.910 --> 01:11:03.330
We're still working Garabedian,
but nothing concrete.

01:11:03.650 --> 01:11:07.110
I keep thinking about that conversation we
had the other night about how law called

01:11:07.110 --> 01:11:10.510
down the power of God when we reported on
Porter.

01:11:11.130 --> 01:11:12.330
That's just law being law.

01:11:12.830 --> 01:11:18.590
Okay, but I checked the clips and Porter
isn't even in the Boston Archdiocese.

01:11:18.830 --> 01:11:22.750
He's from Fall River, so why the extreme
reaction?

01:11:24.590 --> 01:11:25.670
Law had to know.

01:11:26.770 --> 01:11:28.250
That's why he had the reaction.

01:11:29.070 --> 01:11:29.910
Because he knew there were others.

01:11:33.600 --> 01:11:35.300
I think that's the bigger story.

01:11:36.220 --> 01:11:38.360
Wait, bigger than 50 priests?

01:11:39.260 --> 01:11:41.320
If it came from the top down, yes.

01:11:41.320 --> 01:11:45.120
But the numbers clearly indicate that
there were senior clergy involved.

01:11:45.360 --> 01:11:46.760
That's all they do, indicate.

01:11:46.840 --> 01:11:50.820
Are you telling me that if we run a store
with 50 pedophile priests in Boston...

01:11:50.820 --> 01:11:54.580
Mike, we'll get into the same cat fight
you got into on Porter, which made a lot

01:11:54.580 --> 01:11:57.360
of noise, but changed things not one bit.

01:12:00.720 --> 01:12:04.140
We need to focus on the institution,
not the individual priests.

01:12:05.100 --> 01:12:06.440
Practice and policy.

01:12:07.160 --> 01:12:10.100
Show me the church manipulated the system
so these guys wouldn't have to face

01:12:10.100 --> 01:12:10.460
charges.

01:12:10.620 --> 01:12:14.620
Show me they put those same priests back
into parishes time and time again.

01:12:14.760 --> 01:12:17.860
Show me this was systemic, that it came
from the top down.

01:12:20.340 --> 01:12:21.700
Sounds like we're going after law.

01:12:26.320 --> 01:12:27.700
We're going after the system.

01:12:31.220 --> 01:12:34.080
Make a list of all the victims we have,
start reaching out.

01:12:34.380 --> 01:12:35.700
And bring Matt in if you need help.

01:12:35.880 --> 01:12:36.300
Okay.

01:12:36.580 --> 01:12:37.600
Hey, when do you go to Springfield?

01:12:37.600 --> 01:12:38.780
My hearing is Monday.

01:12:39.060 --> 01:12:39.460
Okay.

01:12:40.400 --> 01:12:41.440
Hey, Robbie, you got a second?

01:12:42.420 --> 01:12:42.840
Yeah.

01:12:44.660 --> 01:12:47.840
I got one of those treatment centers a
block from my house.

01:12:50.340 --> 01:12:51.680
We got neighbors with kids.

01:12:52.340 --> 01:12:57.000
I know that the work we do is
confidential, but I'm feeling like I

01:12:57.000 --> 01:12:57.500
should tell them.

01:13:02.060 --> 01:13:03.000
We'll tell them soon.

01:13:04.700 --> 01:13:05.420
Are you sure?

01:13:06.860 --> 01:13:07.340
Yeah.

01:13:07.760 --> 01:13:08.060
Okay.

01:13:11.540 --> 01:13:13.900
Hi there, I'm Sasha Pfeiffer, I'm with the
Boston Globe.

01:13:14.340 --> 01:13:16.840
I was just looking for a gentleman by the
name of Matthew Walsh.

01:13:18.380 --> 01:13:19.440
Uh, no he's not.

01:13:26.760 --> 01:13:27.120
Hi.

01:13:33.460 --> 01:13:33.660
Hi.

01:13:33.920 --> 01:13:35.600
I'm Sasha Pfeiffer from the Boston Globe.

01:13:35.720 --> 01:13:36.260
Yeah, what do you want?

01:13:36.520 --> 01:13:37.860
I'd like to speak with Thomas Kennedy.

01:13:38.360 --> 01:13:39.260
He doesn't live here anymore.

01:13:39.740 --> 01:13:40.700
Do you know where he lives?

01:13:41.140 --> 01:13:42.700
Sir, I'd just like to ask if you...

01:13:44.820 --> 01:13:46.480
Uh, Sasha Pfeiffer, Boston Globe.

01:13:46.660 --> 01:13:47.780
Oh, yeah, hi.

01:13:48.060 --> 01:13:49.180
Hi, thank you.

01:13:49.920 --> 01:13:51.100
Anything else you can recall?

01:13:52.420 --> 01:13:52.820
No.

01:13:53.200 --> 01:13:56.480
No, but I got a cousin in Quincy,
she saw him on the street a few years

01:13:56.480 --> 01:13:56.760
later.

01:13:57.680 --> 01:13:59.200
The bishop came over the house.

01:13:59.540 --> 01:14:02.020
He said nothing like this had ever
happened before, and they asked us not to

01:14:02.020 --> 01:14:02.620
press charges.

01:14:03.220 --> 01:14:04.180
And what did your mother do?

01:14:05.040 --> 01:14:05.560
My mother?

01:14:07.600 --> 01:14:09.040
She put out freaking cookies.

01:14:10.000 --> 01:14:10.520
Yeah.

01:14:13.080 --> 01:14:15.840
It was a lot of pressure to keep quiet.

01:14:16.140 --> 01:14:16.740
From the church?

01:14:17.140 --> 01:14:18.240
Yeah, from the church.

01:14:18.780 --> 01:14:20.220
But not just the church.

01:14:21.300 --> 01:14:22.540
From my friends.

01:14:23.560 --> 01:14:25.220
From the other parishioners.

01:14:25.680 --> 01:14:29.420
Well, many of the priests that I treated
were psychosexually stunted.

01:14:29.840 --> 01:14:32.360
On the emotional level of a 12 or 13 year
old.

01:14:32.580 --> 01:14:32.900
Jesus.

01:14:33.920 --> 01:14:34.860
Sure, the chief knew.

01:14:35.160 --> 01:14:35.780
Everybody knew.

01:14:35.860 --> 01:14:37.420
But nobody wants to cuff a priest.

01:14:37.420 --> 01:14:40.320
And what about the prosecutor?

01:14:41.380 --> 01:14:42.900
I shouldn't talk about this shit.

01:14:43.360 --> 01:14:44.560
I think you should, actually.

01:14:45.520 --> 01:14:47.620
Do you know a Father Hurley or a Father
Gale?

01:14:48.960 --> 01:14:49.320
I do.

01:14:51.180 --> 01:14:54.160
You leave me alone, you leave my brother
alone, you hear me, god damn it?

01:15:02.850 --> 01:15:03.490
Hi there.

01:15:04.010 --> 01:15:05.330
I'm looking for Ronald Paquin.

01:15:05.570 --> 01:15:05.890
Yes?

01:15:07.250 --> 01:15:08.230
Your father, Paquin?

01:15:08.870 --> 01:15:09.590
Yes, that's right.

01:15:10.870 --> 01:15:12.830
I'm Sasha Pfeiffer from the Boston Globe.

01:15:13.390 --> 01:15:13.830
Okay.

01:15:14.130 --> 01:15:15.430
Could I ask you a few questions?

01:15:15.850 --> 01:15:16.350
Go ahead, dear.

01:15:17.690 --> 01:15:21.250
We spoke to several men who knew you when
they were boys at St. John the Baptist in

01:15:21.250 --> 01:15:21.550
Haverhill.

01:15:23.810 --> 01:15:25.910
They told us you molested them,
is that true?

01:15:28.490 --> 01:15:32.470
Sure, I fooled around, but I never felt
gratified myself.

01:15:34.590 --> 01:15:35.030
Right.

01:15:35.030 --> 01:15:37.810
But you admit to molesting boys at St.
John the Baptist?

01:15:38.850 --> 01:15:43.330
Yes, yes, but as I said, I never got any
pleasure from it.

01:15:43.570 --> 01:15:44.930
That's important to understand.

01:15:45.670 --> 01:15:46.190
Right.

01:15:47.630 --> 01:15:51.290
But can you tell me where and how you
fooled around with these boys?

01:15:53.250 --> 01:15:54.410
I want to be clear.

01:15:54.850 --> 01:15:56.390
I never raped anyone.

01:15:57.570 --> 01:15:58.430
It's a difference.

01:15:59.050 --> 01:15:59.850
I should know.

01:16:00.610 --> 01:16:01.510
How would you know?

01:16:02.050 --> 01:16:02.890
I was raped.

01:16:04.410 --> 01:16:04.810
Raped?

01:16:05.550 --> 01:16:07.870
I'm sorry, who raped you?

01:16:07.950 --> 01:16:08.930
Bonnie, who are you talking to?

01:16:08.930 --> 01:16:09.630
It's okay, Jane.

01:16:09.870 --> 01:16:11.170
Who are you?

01:16:12.290 --> 01:16:13.790
Sasha Pfeiffer from the Globe.

01:16:13.950 --> 01:16:15.630
Please get off my coach.

01:16:15.870 --> 01:16:16.930
Get inside the house, Rona.

01:16:17.870 --> 01:16:18.950
Get inside, Rona.

01:16:19.190 --> 01:16:20.850
I'm sorry, who are you?

01:16:20.950 --> 01:16:23.490
I'm his sister, and I don't want you
coming back here.

01:16:23.570 --> 01:16:24.050
It's Paquin.

01:16:44.280 --> 01:16:48.460
Could you please clarify the Globe's
position for me, Mr. Albano?

01:16:48.940 --> 01:16:49.900
Yes, Judge Sweeney.

01:16:54.260 --> 01:16:58.960
Our argument to make these documents
public rests mainly on First Amendment

01:16:58.960 --> 01:16:59.440
grounds.

01:16:59.860 --> 01:17:02.140
We also have a number of other relevant
arguments.

01:17:02.680 --> 01:17:05.160
After all, Your Honor, this was a
discretionary offer.

01:17:05.420 --> 01:17:07.780
Yes, it was made at the judge's
discretion.

01:17:08.040 --> 01:17:08.440
Hey, Mike.

01:17:09.880 --> 01:17:10.740
Hey, Joe.

01:17:11.240 --> 01:17:13.460
What's the spotlight reporter doing in
Springfield?

01:17:15.780 --> 01:17:17.980
Your boy Albano's sledding uphill.

01:17:18.880 --> 01:17:20.580
You actually think you have a shot at
winning on this thing?

01:17:20.980 --> 01:17:22.140
Do you want me to comment for the Herald?

01:17:24.620 --> 01:17:27.020
A Globe reporter would not comment.

01:17:28.040 --> 01:17:30.140
But he did not seem hopeful.

01:17:31.760 --> 01:17:33.380
He didn't try and hide it at all.

01:17:33.980 --> 01:17:38.760
He had this really odd rationalization for
it, like it was totally normal to fool

01:17:38.760 --> 01:17:39.480
around with little boys.

01:17:40.500 --> 01:17:41.540
I'd really like to go back.

01:17:41.620 --> 01:17:42.720
I think he'd talk to us.

01:17:43.480 --> 01:17:44.500
Oh, we will.

01:17:45.460 --> 01:17:46.280
Just not yet.

01:17:47.000 --> 01:17:49.700
I want you to stay focused on the victims
right now.

01:17:49.780 --> 01:17:51.460
Sasha, where'd they send Father Talbot
again?

01:17:52.280 --> 01:17:54.280
Um, I think, wasn't that at Cheverus?

01:17:54.920 --> 01:17:55.760
Cheverus, that's right.

01:17:55.980 --> 01:17:58.480
Wait, Father Talbot from BCI?

01:17:58.920 --> 01:17:59.220
Yeah.

01:17:59.840 --> 01:18:00.340
You know him?

01:18:00.820 --> 01:18:02.260
Yeah, he was there when I was.

01:18:03.600 --> 01:18:04.240
We have a victim?

01:18:04.640 --> 01:18:04.860
Yeah.

01:18:05.980 --> 01:18:06.780
Lives in Providence.

01:18:10.360 --> 01:18:12.700
There's nothing personal in these
documents, Your Honor.

01:18:13.340 --> 01:18:15.520
They concern how the Cardinal is
handling...

01:18:15.520 --> 01:18:15.800
Say the Archdiocese.

01:18:17.680 --> 01:18:18.280
Excuse me?

01:18:19.000 --> 01:18:22.080
You don't get to tag the Cardinal with
everything, Mr. Albano.

01:18:22.480 --> 01:18:24.080
Say the Archdiocese.

01:18:24.600 --> 01:18:26.800
Judge Sweeney, the Globe is not a party to
this case.

01:18:26.860 --> 01:18:27.940
They just want to sell papers.

01:18:28.100 --> 01:18:33.100
If Mr. Garabedian had not smeared the
Cardinal's good name, we wouldn't even be

01:18:33.100 --> 01:18:33.280
here.

01:18:33.300 --> 01:18:35.600
Your Honor, I object to the use of the
word smear.

01:18:36.280 --> 01:18:37.920
Duly noted, Mr. Garabedian.

01:18:37.960 --> 01:18:38.540
Thank you, Your Honor.

01:18:38.980 --> 01:18:40.140
Anything else, Mr. Rogers?

01:18:40.140 --> 01:18:40.920
No, Your Honor.

01:18:41.280 --> 01:18:42.680
Mr. Albano, you may continue.

01:18:44.860 --> 01:18:47.240
Hey, Mitch.

01:18:47.420 --> 01:18:47.860
How you doing?

01:18:49.220 --> 01:18:49.800
I'm fine.

01:18:51.060 --> 01:18:52.380
He's tough, that Wilson Rogers.

01:18:53.740 --> 01:18:54.580
He's smug.

01:18:55.600 --> 01:18:56.400
He's sloppy.

01:18:56.960 --> 01:18:58.100
He doesn't seem sloppy.

01:18:59.320 --> 01:19:00.460
You don't know the half of it.

01:19:00.700 --> 01:19:01.120
Trust me.

01:19:02.420 --> 01:19:03.320
What's the half of it?

01:19:06.300 --> 01:19:07.480
Tell me the half of it, Mitch.

01:19:09.700 --> 01:19:10.460
Off the record?

01:19:10.700 --> 01:19:11.440
Off the record, yeah.

01:19:15.320 --> 01:19:18.940
Three years ago, I got a call from an
ex-priest, Anthony Benzovich.

01:19:19.320 --> 01:19:22.630
He was at Blessed Sacrament back in 62,
and he saw Gagin...

01:19:25.100 --> 01:19:27.440
taking little boys up to the rectory
bedroom, okay?

01:19:27.580 --> 01:19:29.140
So he's appalled, alright?

01:19:29.300 --> 01:19:30.620
Tells the bishop about it.

01:19:31.520 --> 01:19:34.640
The bishop threatens to reassign him to
South America.

01:19:35.460 --> 01:19:35.860
Jesus.

01:19:35.860 --> 01:19:36.760
Yeah, alright.

01:19:36.880 --> 01:19:38.240
So fast forward 35 years.

01:19:38.660 --> 01:19:42.360
Benzovich reads that Gagin has been
charged with molesting hundreds of kids,

01:19:42.480 --> 01:19:42.640
alright?

01:19:42.700 --> 01:19:43.420
So he feels guilty.

01:19:43.820 --> 01:19:44.380
He calls me.

01:19:44.760 --> 01:19:48.960
So you have testimony of a priest telling
superiors about Gagin in 62?

01:19:49.700 --> 01:19:51.020
No, I do not.

01:19:51.440 --> 01:19:55.140
Because when I call Benzovich in to give a
deposition, he comes in with a lawyer.

01:19:56.280 --> 01:19:57.060
Wilson Rogers.

01:19:57.220 --> 01:19:57.420
Right.

01:19:58.260 --> 01:20:00.440
And suddenly, Father Benzovich has a very
foggy memory.

01:20:01.000 --> 01:20:01.760
Can't remember anything.

01:20:02.220 --> 01:20:02.720
He's useless.

01:20:02.720 --> 01:20:04.280
So I go back to work.

01:20:04.400 --> 01:20:05.060
I forget about it.

01:20:05.260 --> 01:20:05.440
Whatever.

01:20:06.460 --> 01:20:10.520
Until about a year ago, I find an article
about a priest who warned church officials

01:20:10.520 --> 01:20:11.400
about Gagin.

01:20:11.940 --> 01:20:13.020
Benzovich went to the press?

01:20:13.340 --> 01:20:13.500
Yeah.

01:20:14.140 --> 01:20:14.920
Local paper.

01:20:15.020 --> 01:20:15.680
Patriot Ledger.

01:20:15.920 --> 01:20:16.620
Nobody saw it.

01:20:16.820 --> 01:20:18.200
But now I got Benzovich on record.

01:20:18.520 --> 01:20:21.640
So I file a motion to depose Benzovich a
second time.

01:20:22.360 --> 01:20:22.580
Alright?

01:20:22.900 --> 01:20:27.780
And Wilson Rogers, that smug son of a
bitch, he files a motion opposing my

01:20:27.780 --> 01:20:28.080
motion.

01:20:28.800 --> 01:20:30.320
And that's when I have him.

01:20:31.760 --> 01:20:32.860
Have him how?

01:20:33.540 --> 01:20:34.760
Rogers opposes my motion.

01:20:35.260 --> 01:20:38.480
So, I have to make an argument as to why
I'm allowed to depose Father Benzovich a

01:20:38.480 --> 01:20:38.980
second time.

01:20:39.200 --> 01:20:39.420
Okay?

01:20:39.720 --> 01:20:42.100
But this time, I'm allowed to attach
exhibits.

01:20:42.780 --> 01:20:43.940
Do you follow what I'm saying?

01:20:44.640 --> 01:20:45.640
The sealed documents?

01:20:45.760 --> 01:20:45.980
Yes.

01:20:46.320 --> 01:20:50.220
I can attach the sealed documents that
I've gotten in discovery, Mr. Resendez.

01:20:50.500 --> 01:20:53.720
The same documents that your paper is
currently suing for.

01:20:54.360 --> 01:20:55.220
You're shitting me.

01:20:55.760 --> 01:20:55.980
What?

01:20:56.100 --> 01:20:56.340
No.

01:20:56.800 --> 01:20:57.760
No, I'm not shitting you.

01:20:57.760 --> 01:21:01.840
So, I pull out the 14 most damning docs
and I attach them to my motion.

01:21:02.200 --> 01:21:03.040
And they prove everything.

01:21:03.500 --> 01:21:03.740
Everything.

01:21:04.200 --> 01:21:04.860
About the church?

01:21:05.000 --> 01:21:05.700
About the bishops?

01:21:05.880 --> 01:21:06.420
About law?

01:21:06.680 --> 01:21:07.620
And it's all public.

01:21:08.540 --> 01:21:11.780
Because your motion to oppose Rogers'
motion is public.

01:21:12.100 --> 01:21:12.940
Yeah, exactly.

01:21:13.440 --> 01:21:14.240
Now you're paying attention.

01:21:14.780 --> 01:21:17.360
And so I can just walk into that
courthouse right now and get those

01:21:17.360 --> 01:21:17.720
documents?

01:21:18.220 --> 01:21:19.040
No, you cannot.

01:21:19.680 --> 01:21:21.380
Because the documents are not there.

01:21:21.940 --> 01:21:23.180
But you just said they're public.

01:21:23.440 --> 01:21:24.200
I know I did.

01:21:24.200 --> 01:21:26.220
But this is Boston.

01:21:26.660 --> 01:21:29.020
And the church does not want them to be
found.

01:21:29.360 --> 01:21:31.400
So, they are not there.

01:21:33.740 --> 01:21:37.700
Mitch, are you telling me that the
Catholic Church removed legal documents

01:21:37.700 --> 01:21:38.560
from that courthouse?

01:21:39.240 --> 01:21:40.940
Look, I'm not crazy.

01:21:41.180 --> 01:21:41.780
I'm not paranoid.

01:21:42.500 --> 01:21:43.320
I'm experienced.

01:21:43.880 --> 01:21:44.580
Check the docket.

01:21:44.960 --> 01:21:45.320
You'll see.

01:21:46.580 --> 01:21:47.740
They control everything.

01:21:51.040 --> 01:21:51.640
Everything.

01:21:54.240 --> 01:21:55.320
I gotta go back in.

01:21:59.420 --> 01:22:01.480
I just got the fucking document.

01:22:16.790 --> 01:22:18.490
Docket entry number 49.

01:22:18.650 --> 01:22:19.710
That's in the Gaget case.

01:22:19.810 --> 01:22:21.610
It goes in ten minutes.

01:22:21.950 --> 01:22:22.430
Ten minutes?

01:22:22.670 --> 01:22:23.010
Alright.

01:23:00.240 --> 01:23:00.740
Robbie.

01:23:01.260 --> 01:23:01.900
Hey, it's me.

01:23:02.420 --> 01:23:03.580
You're not gonna believe it.

01:23:03.580 --> 01:23:05.340
Gary Beating gave me a tip.

01:23:05.740 --> 01:23:07.660
Some of the sealed docs are already
public.

01:23:07.800 --> 01:23:08.900
They're part of a motion he filed.

01:23:09.340 --> 01:23:10.740
He said they're the best of the bunch.

01:23:10.820 --> 01:23:12.380
We don't have to wait for Sweeney's
ruling.

01:23:12.760 --> 01:23:13.720
So, we can get them?

01:23:14.020 --> 01:23:14.980
Yeah, but they're not there.

01:23:15.520 --> 01:23:16.480
I already talked to Albano.

01:23:16.580 --> 01:23:20.600
He said all we have to do is file a motion
and Sweeney will order Mitch to refile the

01:23:20.600 --> 01:23:20.920
docs.

01:23:21.520 --> 01:23:23.180
And you think these documents are...

01:23:23.180 --> 01:23:24.860
He said these 14 docs are all we need.

01:23:25.060 --> 01:23:25.580
They're huge.

01:23:25.980 --> 01:23:26.360
Okay.

01:23:27.480 --> 01:23:28.400
I'll call Ben.

01:23:29.200 --> 01:23:29.920
Good work.

01:23:55.290 --> 01:23:56.210
What happened?

01:23:57.210 --> 01:23:58.890
They're saying it's a prop plane.

01:23:59.350 --> 01:24:00.530
But that's not a prop plane.

01:24:04.650 --> 01:24:07.150
Tell Linda to get every reporter we have
in here now.

01:24:09.010 --> 01:24:10.590
You pray for the victims.

01:24:11.730 --> 01:24:12.970
You pray for the injured.

01:24:14.090 --> 01:24:16.350
And you pray for those who survived.

01:24:17.550 --> 01:24:20.530
You pray, too, for the nation.

01:24:22.090 --> 01:24:28.610
That our response to this might reflect
the best ideals of our nation.

01:24:29.090 --> 01:24:32.050
And even more, reflect God's own teaching.

01:24:32.570 --> 01:24:39.050
Not only as it's shown in Christianity and
Judaism, but in Islam as well.

01:24:39.670 --> 01:24:40.130
Not bad.

01:24:40.430 --> 01:24:41.070
Who's there?

01:24:41.350 --> 01:24:41.850
Paulson.

01:24:42.070 --> 01:24:43.410
I want to talk to him when he's back.

01:24:44.210 --> 01:24:45.990
Did the Brazilians find a way to get to
Florida yet?

01:24:46.550 --> 01:24:48.190
They just opened the airport in
Providence.

01:24:48.250 --> 01:24:49.290
He's on his way there now.

01:24:49.570 --> 01:24:51.050
Ben, I'm going to need more people on
Massport.

01:24:51.610 --> 01:24:52.710
I'll give you three of my guys.

01:24:53.190 --> 01:24:54.450
Robbie, put your team on that,
too.

01:24:54.590 --> 01:24:54.990
Got it.

01:24:55.150 --> 01:24:56.950
And, Robbie, everything else stops.

01:24:57.110 --> 01:24:57.410
Understood.

01:24:57.970 --> 01:24:58.950
Why is Mike going to Florida?

01:24:59.410 --> 01:25:00.030
Flight school.

01:25:00.170 --> 01:25:01.070
It's where they learned to fly.

01:25:02.310 --> 01:25:05.090
Robbie, I've got a lot of victim
interviews set up this week.

01:25:05.290 --> 01:25:06.170
We're going to have to cancel them.

01:25:06.630 --> 01:25:07.430
That's going to be hard.

01:25:07.670 --> 01:25:08.050
I know.

01:25:08.210 --> 01:25:08.830
This is nuts.

01:25:09.030 --> 01:25:12.150
Two days ago I told my wife we ought to be
working the biggest story on the planet.

01:25:12.150 --> 01:25:12.790
It's Boston Globe.

01:25:13.650 --> 01:25:14.270
Boston Globe.

01:25:14.410 --> 01:25:15.410
One moment, please.

01:25:15.630 --> 01:25:16.910
Yes, if you have a tip, I will just...

01:25:17.330 --> 01:25:17.650
Boston Globe.

01:25:20.550 --> 01:25:21.190
Mitchell Garabedian.

01:25:21.390 --> 01:25:21.970
Mitch, it's Mike.

01:25:22.010 --> 01:25:22.770
I've been trying to reach you.

01:25:22.950 --> 01:25:24.610
I don't have time to talk to you,
Mr. Resendez.

01:25:24.770 --> 01:25:25.470
Hey, just quickly.

01:25:25.650 --> 01:25:27.070
Did you refile those docs yet?

01:25:27.490 --> 01:25:28.690
No, I just got the order.

01:25:28.830 --> 01:25:29.450
It takes time.

01:25:29.610 --> 01:25:30.050
Okay, great.

01:25:30.190 --> 01:25:31.450
Can you hold off on refiling?

01:25:31.630 --> 01:25:31.690
Hold off?

01:25:31.690 --> 01:25:32.550
I have to go to Florida.

01:25:32.730 --> 01:25:34.150
Once you refile, they're public.

01:25:34.470 --> 01:25:36.130
Other newspapers will be able to get a
hold of them.

01:25:36.630 --> 01:25:38.370
Other newspapers are not my concern.

01:25:38.770 --> 01:25:40.150
I received a judicial order.

01:25:40.150 --> 01:25:42.370
I told you the church is watching me.

01:25:42.550 --> 01:25:43.490
Okay, Mitch, please.

01:25:43.790 --> 01:25:44.810
All I need is a few more weeks.

01:25:46.290 --> 01:25:47.590
I can't make any promises.

01:25:48.090 --> 01:25:48.350
Goodbye.

01:25:48.650 --> 01:25:48.910
Mitch!

01:25:49.050 --> 01:25:49.310
Mitch!

01:25:50.310 --> 01:25:50.750
Shit!

01:25:52.910 --> 01:25:53.350
Shit!

01:26:02.780 --> 01:26:03.960
Look, I get it.

01:26:04.140 --> 01:26:07.400
No one wants to read about kids getting
raped by priests, especially now.

01:26:07.480 --> 01:26:11.280
But you asked a lot of people to relive
some very painful experiences.

01:26:11.280 --> 01:26:13.540
Phil, you know why we were taken off of
this story.

01:26:13.560 --> 01:26:15.080
It's been six weeks since 9-11.

01:26:15.340 --> 01:26:16.240
I realize that.

01:26:16.460 --> 01:26:17.520
And we're going to get back to it.

01:26:17.780 --> 01:26:18.160
When?

01:26:20.220 --> 01:26:22.440
You're doing the same thing you guys did
last time.

01:26:22.540 --> 01:26:22.780
No.

01:26:22.840 --> 01:26:23.680
You're dropping us.

01:26:23.940 --> 01:26:25.660
Maybe I should tell the Herald that story.

01:26:27.000 --> 01:26:27.600
Okay, Phil.

01:26:27.980 --> 01:26:28.920
You go ahead and do that.

01:26:29.740 --> 01:26:31.420
It'll undo all the work we've done.

01:26:31.800 --> 01:26:32.720
But I can't stop you.

01:26:35.040 --> 01:26:35.800
Listen to me.

01:26:36.400 --> 01:26:38.320
I am here because I care.

01:26:40.280 --> 01:26:41.480
We're not going away.

01:26:42.480 --> 01:26:43.800
We're going to tell this story.

01:26:43.980 --> 01:26:44.840
We're going to tell it right.

01:26:45.040 --> 01:26:46.300
We just need a little more time.

01:26:46.380 --> 01:26:47.660
That's all we're asking for.

01:26:50.540 --> 01:26:51.860
Why bother asking?

01:26:53.520 --> 01:26:55.020
You're going to do what you want anyway.

01:26:56.420 --> 01:26:57.440
You always do.

01:26:58.880 --> 01:26:59.380
Phil!

01:27:00.860 --> 01:27:01.360
Phil!

01:27:07.780 --> 01:27:08.280
Hey.

01:27:09.180 --> 01:27:09.980
How's South Beach?

01:27:10.840 --> 01:27:11.460
Boynton Beach.

01:27:12.340 --> 01:27:13.340
Remarkably different place.

01:27:14.040 --> 01:27:14.400
What's up?

01:27:15.120 --> 01:27:16.700
Mitch Caribbean called me today.

01:27:17.320 --> 01:27:18.080
Why'd he call you?

01:27:18.300 --> 01:27:19.600
Because he knew you'd yell at him.

01:27:20.160 --> 01:27:21.240
He refiled the docs.

01:27:21.640 --> 01:27:22.000
What?

01:27:23.020 --> 01:27:24.640
Robbie, those docs are public now.

01:27:24.840 --> 01:27:26.060
We've got to get there before anyone else
does.

01:27:26.060 --> 01:27:26.400
I know.

01:27:26.580 --> 01:27:26.840
I know.

01:27:27.020 --> 01:27:27.300
I know.

01:27:27.520 --> 01:27:30.840
Just wrap up whatever you're doing and get
the first flight out.

01:27:30.840 --> 01:27:32.780
I'll book a flight now and go straight to
the courthouse tomorrow.

01:27:32.960 --> 01:27:33.140
All right.

01:27:33.200 --> 01:27:34.040
Call me when you get in.

01:27:34.320 --> 01:27:34.640
Okay.

01:27:36.880 --> 01:27:39.780
Robbie, I'd like to let Phil Saviano know
that we're back on it.

01:27:39.780 --> 01:27:40.800
Good idea.

01:27:41.860 --> 01:27:43.080
Go have dinner with Hansi.

01:27:43.500 --> 01:27:44.840
Might be the last time for a while.

01:27:45.580 --> 01:27:45.840
Mm-hmm.

01:27:51.280 --> 01:27:54.400
Robbie, after we saw McLeish, I started
going back through the clips.

01:27:55.020 --> 01:27:58.580
And I had a little time last week finally,
so, um...

01:27:59.260 --> 01:28:00.100
I found that.

01:28:01.220 --> 01:28:02.240
It's from 93.

01:28:13.210 --> 01:28:13.870
Is that it?

01:28:16.490 --> 01:28:16.930
Yeah.

01:28:17.130 --> 01:28:18.070
Yeah, that's it.

01:28:20.930 --> 01:28:21.550
Good night.

01:28:23.350 --> 01:28:23.790
Okay.

01:28:24.070 --> 01:28:24.430
Good night.

01:29:04.400 --> 01:29:06.660
So, I was probably a few years after you,
right?

01:29:06.720 --> 01:29:06.940
No.

01:29:07.300 --> 01:29:08.800
You were more than a few.

01:29:09.240 --> 01:29:09.680
Maybe.

01:29:10.960 --> 01:29:13.900
Well, after BC High, I came down to
Providence.

01:29:14.380 --> 01:29:15.660
Played hockey for the Friars.

01:29:16.140 --> 01:29:16.580
Oh.

01:29:17.180 --> 01:29:18.480
You must have been pretty good.

01:29:18.880 --> 01:29:19.100
No.

01:29:19.420 --> 01:29:20.340
Rode the bench in college.

01:29:20.420 --> 01:29:20.580
Oh.

01:29:20.580 --> 01:29:20.880
Yeah.

01:29:21.300 --> 01:29:22.400
But I loved the city.

01:29:23.200 --> 01:29:23.480
Uh-huh.

01:29:23.580 --> 01:29:24.780
And we just had our third kid.

01:29:25.380 --> 01:29:27.260
And I still get my globe for the recce.

01:29:27.500 --> 01:29:28.420
That's good to know.

01:29:29.180 --> 01:29:29.800
Good to know.

01:29:30.700 --> 01:29:31.500
Look, Kevin.

01:29:33.280 --> 01:29:34.600
It's actually why I'm here.

01:29:35.640 --> 01:29:36.080
Yeah.

01:29:36.340 --> 01:29:40.140
I need to ask you some questions about
Father Talbot.

01:29:47.680 --> 01:29:48.620
How'd you find out?

01:29:50.940 --> 01:29:51.380
Well...

01:29:52.900 --> 01:29:53.880
I guess it doesn't matter.

01:30:00.320 --> 01:30:02.440
I never even told my wife.

01:30:04.960 --> 01:30:05.480
Excuse me.

01:30:06.220 --> 01:30:06.580
Hey.

01:30:11.200 --> 01:30:11.560
Hey.

01:30:11.780 --> 01:30:11.840
Hey.

01:30:12.080 --> 01:30:12.240
Hey.

01:30:12.240 --> 01:30:12.380
Hey.

01:30:12.460 --> 01:30:13.260
I need to get in there.

01:30:13.480 --> 01:30:13.860
We're closed.

01:30:13.880 --> 01:30:14.160
Come on.

01:30:14.220 --> 01:30:14.580
Let me in.

01:30:14.580 --> 01:30:15.060
Five minutes.

01:30:15.060 --> 01:30:15.480
I'm sorry.

01:30:15.580 --> 01:30:15.980
We're closed.

01:30:16.000 --> 01:30:16.380
Come on.

01:30:16.840 --> 01:30:17.580
Five minutes.

01:30:37.480 --> 01:30:38.700
This is the Gaggin case?

01:30:38.900 --> 01:30:39.220
That's right.

01:30:40.280 --> 01:30:41.180
Those records are sealed.

01:30:41.500 --> 01:30:41.740
No.

01:30:42.100 --> 01:30:43.160
That's a public motion.

01:30:43.240 --> 01:30:44.040
Those records are public.

01:30:44.900 --> 01:30:45.880
Look, I work for the Globe.

01:30:46.900 --> 01:30:47.560
Good for you.

01:30:49.920 --> 01:30:51.240
Can I talk to your supervisor?

01:30:51.540 --> 01:30:52.300
He's not in today.

01:30:53.320 --> 01:30:54.280
What about a judge?

01:30:54.960 --> 01:30:56.880
There must be judges that work on this
kind of thing.

01:30:57.900 --> 01:30:58.460
Sixth floor.

01:31:05.250 --> 01:31:08.870
We understand the nature of the
allegations against Father Talbot.

01:31:09.430 --> 01:31:12.310
I'm just not sure what you want from
President Kameza.

01:31:13.450 --> 01:31:15.410
Talbot taught here long before Bill took
over.

01:31:16.090 --> 01:31:16.730
Of course.

01:31:17.110 --> 01:31:21.410
We just want to know if it's possible that
the president, the faculty, the board...

01:31:21.410 --> 01:31:22.930
that no one knew what was going on at the
time.

01:31:23.230 --> 01:31:27.230
I graduated in 1979 and I had no idea
about any of this.

01:31:27.330 --> 01:31:31.210
So, if you're suggesting that Father
Gibbons and Father Callahan had in any

01:31:31.210 --> 01:31:31.530
way...

01:31:31.530 --> 01:31:32.370
Gibbons and Callahan?

01:31:33.470 --> 01:31:34.950
I mean, they were in this place like the
Navy.

01:31:36.130 --> 01:31:37.210
You really think they didn't know?

01:31:38.330 --> 01:31:39.590
It's a big school, Robbie.

01:31:39.770 --> 01:31:40.390
You know that.

01:31:41.410 --> 01:31:45.430
And we're talking about seven alleged
victims over, what, eight years?

01:31:45.550 --> 01:31:48.690
We're talking about, you know,
seven that we know about.

01:31:49.090 --> 01:31:50.350
This is ridiculous.

01:31:51.470 --> 01:31:53.230
You're reaching for a story here.

01:31:53.530 --> 01:31:54.050
Jack, Jack, Jack.

01:31:54.890 --> 01:31:57.710
If I had been president then, I would have
known.

01:31:58.390 --> 01:32:00.590
Bill, I'm not sure that's relevant.

01:32:00.710 --> 01:32:03.090
Why do you think they sent Talbot up to
Cheverus?

01:32:04.010 --> 01:32:05.610
You know they wanted him out of town.

01:32:07.950 --> 01:32:12.490
Robbie, as well-intentioned as Bill's
remarks are, I'm hoping we can keep this

01:32:12.490 --> 01:32:14.910
between us until we all get on the same
page.

01:32:18.390 --> 01:32:19.410
Is that why we're here?

01:32:19.470 --> 01:32:20.330
To get on the same page?

01:32:20.990 --> 01:32:23.110
No, we're here because you're an important
alumnus, Robbie.

01:32:23.250 --> 01:32:23.730
And a friend.

01:32:24.450 --> 01:32:24.850
Exactly.

01:32:25.250 --> 01:32:27.930
And we know you care about this school as
much as we do.

01:32:29.950 --> 01:32:31.570
Did you play a sport here, Jack?

01:32:32.110 --> 01:32:32.510
Yeah.

01:32:33.090 --> 01:32:33.470
Football.

01:32:33.670 --> 01:32:33.970
Why?

01:32:33.970 --> 01:32:35.610
I ran track.

01:32:36.050 --> 01:32:40.290
You know, I went to Providence yesterday
to talk to one of Father Talbot's victims.

01:32:40.850 --> 01:32:41.750
He played hockey here.

01:32:42.770 --> 01:32:44.570
And he was one of the better ones.

01:32:44.670 --> 01:32:47.570
He's got a wife, kids, good job.

01:32:49.430 --> 01:32:54.110
About ten minutes into the conversation,
guy breaks down.

01:32:55.070 --> 01:32:56.350
You know, couldn't stop crying.

01:32:58.430 --> 01:33:01.250
Said he could never figure out why Father
Talbot picked him.

01:33:03.970 --> 01:33:06.110
Father Talbot coached the hockey team.

01:33:08.350 --> 01:33:09.090
It's hope.

01:33:10.990 --> 01:33:12.410
I guess we just got lucky.

01:33:14.010 --> 01:33:14.490
You and me.

01:33:21.500 --> 01:33:23.060
Does Jack Dunn work for the school?

01:33:23.200 --> 01:33:24.920
No, he's PR for Boston College.

01:33:25.400 --> 01:33:26.620
They call him when they need help.

01:33:27.400 --> 01:33:29.040
And Pete Connolly, why was he there?

01:33:29.400 --> 01:33:30.080
Good question.

01:33:30.620 --> 01:33:33.620
Pete's a big alum, but I called Bill
directly and I asked for a sit-down.

01:33:33.620 --> 01:33:35.580
I never mentioned anybody else.

01:33:37.300 --> 01:33:39.380
It's like everybody already knows the
story.

01:33:39.860 --> 01:33:41.700
Yeah, except for us.

01:33:41.920 --> 01:33:42.800
We work right there.

01:33:46.920 --> 01:33:47.740
George Valterra?

01:33:48.060 --> 01:33:48.540
Yes?

01:33:48.760 --> 01:33:50.660
Hi, I'm Mike Garzettis from the Boston
Globe.

01:33:51.180 --> 01:33:54.760
I'm having some trouble accessing some
public records down in the records room.

01:33:54.820 --> 01:33:56.380
I was wondering if I could have a word
with you?

01:33:57.220 --> 01:33:57.840
All right.

01:33:58.100 --> 01:33:58.520
Thank you.

01:34:01.540 --> 01:34:02.440
Thank you very much.

01:34:04.060 --> 01:34:09.960
These exhibits you're after, Mr. Resendez,
they're very sensitive records.

01:34:10.660 --> 01:34:13.480
With all due respect, your honor,
that's not the question.

01:34:14.260 --> 01:34:15.420
The records are public.

01:34:16.720 --> 01:34:17.760
Maybe so.

01:34:18.380 --> 01:34:22.780
But tell me, where is the editorial
responsibility in publishing records of

01:34:22.780 --> 01:34:23.240
this nature?

01:34:23.880 --> 01:34:27.060
Well, where's the editorial responsibility
in not publishing them?

01:34:37.560 --> 01:34:38.860
You can't take those.

01:34:39.300 --> 01:34:40.300
You need to make copies.

01:34:40.720 --> 01:34:41.500
I'm going to the copy room.

01:34:42.040 --> 01:34:42.960
It closed at four.

01:34:48.440 --> 01:34:49.820
I'll give you...

01:34:52.000 --> 01:34:52.860
83 bucks.

01:34:52.960 --> 01:34:53.340
Use yours.

01:34:59.860 --> 01:35:00.420
Hey!

01:35:00.740 --> 01:35:01.000
Hey!

01:35:07.930 --> 01:35:10.470
Take me to the Boston Globe on Morrissey
Boulevard.

01:35:10.970 --> 01:35:12.130
Don't take 93.

01:35:12.750 --> 01:35:13.950
Take Dorchester Avenue.

01:35:15.870 --> 01:35:17.410
Robbie, it's incredible.

01:35:18.210 --> 01:35:19.730
Law knew about Gagin for years.

01:35:19.870 --> 01:35:20.450
No question.

01:35:21.010 --> 01:35:24.830
There's a letter to Law from a woman,
Margaret Gallant, who lived in Jamaica

01:35:24.830 --> 01:35:26.810
Plain in the early 80s when Gagin was
there.

01:35:27.110 --> 01:35:27.710
Listen to this.

01:35:28.510 --> 01:35:30.130
Our family is rooted in the church.

01:35:30.930 --> 01:35:33.090
Our desire is to protect the holy orders.

01:35:33.770 --> 01:35:38.530
Even in the midst of our agony over the
seven boys in our family who have been

01:35:38.530 --> 01:35:39.010
violated.

01:35:39.010 --> 01:35:39.950
Seven, Robbie.

01:35:40.290 --> 01:35:41.110
Seven boys.

01:35:42.210 --> 01:35:44.050
It was suggested we keep silent.

01:35:44.990 --> 01:35:47.730
We did not question the authority of the
church two years ago.

01:35:48.030 --> 01:35:53.810
But since Father Gagin is still in his
parish, he sent it to Law, and Law did

01:35:53.810 --> 01:35:54.230
shit.

01:35:55.090 --> 01:35:56.070
Here's another one to Law.

01:35:56.190 --> 01:35:56.730
Same year.

01:35:57.210 --> 01:35:57.750
Listen to this.

01:35:58.630 --> 01:36:03.010
A word on the recent assignment of Father
Gagin as an associate at St. Julia's in

01:36:03.010 --> 01:36:03.470
Weston.

01:36:04.150 --> 01:36:07.790
Father Gagin has a history of homosexual
involvement with young boys.

01:36:07.790 --> 01:36:12.410
I understand his recent departure from St.
Brendan's may be related to this problem.

01:36:12.930 --> 01:36:16.250
I wonder if Father Gagin should not be
reduced to just weekend work while

01:36:16.250 --> 01:36:17.590
receiving some kind of therapy.

01:36:18.350 --> 01:36:20.770
You know how grateful I am to you for your
constant concern.

01:36:21.130 --> 01:36:22.350
Sincerely yours and our Lord.

01:36:22.870 --> 01:36:24.050
Most Reverend John M.

01:36:24.110 --> 01:36:27.930
Darcy, Auxiliary Bishop of Boston,
December 7th, 1984.

01:36:28.130 --> 01:36:29.550
An auxiliary bishop wrote that?

01:36:29.850 --> 01:36:30.550
That's incredible.

01:36:31.150 --> 01:36:32.190
He broke ranks.

01:36:32.450 --> 01:36:34.450
I mean, when did Gallant write your
letter?

01:36:34.590 --> 01:36:35.110
1984.

01:36:35.110 --> 01:36:36.930
And Law just ignored it?

01:36:37.130 --> 01:36:38.710
How do you ignore that freaking letter?

01:36:39.110 --> 01:36:39.750
We got him.

01:36:40.590 --> 01:36:42.310
You can't read these letters and think
anything else.

01:36:42.450 --> 01:36:43.130
It's proof.

01:36:43.410 --> 01:36:44.810
Yeah, it is.

01:36:45.750 --> 01:36:46.770
This is good work.

01:36:47.890 --> 01:36:48.950
Should we take it up to Ben?

01:36:50.950 --> 01:36:51.910
Uh, no.

01:36:52.310 --> 01:36:52.890
Not yet.

01:36:53.810 --> 01:36:54.270
Why not?

01:36:55.310 --> 01:36:56.050
We got Law.

01:36:56.170 --> 01:36:56.770
This is it.

01:36:56.990 --> 01:36:59.190
No, this is Law covering for one priest.

01:36:59.270 --> 01:37:00.490
There's another 90 out there.

01:37:00.910 --> 01:37:03.910
Yeah, and we'll print that story when we
get it, but we gotta go with this now.

01:37:03.910 --> 01:37:05.910
No, I'm not gonna rush the story,
Mike.

01:37:06.170 --> 01:37:07.410
We don't have a choice, Robbie.

01:37:07.690 --> 01:37:11.590
If we don't rush to print, somebody else
is gonna find these letters and butcher

01:37:11.590 --> 01:37:12.070
this story.

01:37:12.170 --> 01:37:14.990
Joe Quimby from the Herald was at the
freaking courthouse.

01:37:15.230 --> 01:37:18.150
So we'll write a holding story and we'll
keep our eye on the Herald.

01:37:18.330 --> 01:37:19.170
Keep our eye on the Herald.

01:37:19.230 --> 01:37:22.030
They run this and they get it wrong,
the church will bury it.

01:37:22.210 --> 01:37:23.290
We gotta do this now.

01:37:23.330 --> 01:37:23.930
Mike, Mike.

01:37:24.250 --> 01:37:24.550
What?

01:37:24.890 --> 01:37:25.870
Why are we hesitating?

01:37:26.710 --> 01:37:27.930
Barron told us to get Law.

01:37:28.010 --> 01:37:28.610
This is Law.

01:37:28.650 --> 01:37:30.030
Barron told us to get the system.

01:37:30.870 --> 01:37:32.030
We need the full scope.

01:37:32.030 --> 01:37:34.590
That's the only thing that will put an end
to this.

01:37:34.830 --> 01:37:36.270
Then let's take it up to Ben and let him
decide.

01:37:36.750 --> 01:37:38.550
We'll take it to Ben when I say it's time.

01:37:38.670 --> 01:37:39.790
It's time, Robbie.

01:37:40.250 --> 01:37:40.950
It's time.

01:37:42.310 --> 01:37:45.830
They knew and they let it happen to kids.

01:37:46.670 --> 01:37:47.110
Okay?

01:37:47.730 --> 01:37:48.690
It could have been you.

01:37:48.870 --> 01:37:49.550
It could have been me.

01:37:49.590 --> 01:37:50.790
It could have been any of us.

01:37:52.050 --> 01:37:53.830
We gotta nail these scumbags.

01:37:53.890 --> 01:37:57.050
We gotta show people that nobody can get
away with this.

01:37:57.130 --> 01:38:00.070
Not a priest or a cardinal or a freaking
pope.

01:38:02.960 --> 01:38:03.780
You finished?

01:38:05.060 --> 01:38:05.860
Yeah, I am.

01:38:06.480 --> 01:38:07.460
This is bullshit!

01:38:37.770 --> 01:38:38.490
You okay?

01:38:49.300 --> 01:38:49.940
Hey, Angie.

01:38:51.320 --> 01:38:52.200
Hard day at work, Mike?

01:38:57.600 --> 01:38:58.040
Here.

01:38:58.280 --> 01:38:58.660
Thank you.

01:39:00.460 --> 01:39:02.760
I don't know why I got so pissed off.

01:39:02.860 --> 01:39:04.180
You know, I think Robbie's wrong.

01:39:04.460 --> 01:39:07.420
You know, you're just... you care about
the story, Mike.

01:39:07.460 --> 01:39:07.860
We all do.

01:39:09.940 --> 01:39:11.020
Yeah, I guess.

01:39:14.940 --> 01:39:16.480
I stopped going to church with my Nana.

01:39:18.860 --> 01:39:20.720
It was too hard.

01:39:21.280 --> 01:39:26.020
You know, I'd be sitting there and I'd
start thinking about Joe Crowley or

01:39:26.020 --> 01:39:29.300
someone else and I just... I just got so
angry.

01:39:30.660 --> 01:39:32.560
Did you tell her why?

01:39:33.920 --> 01:39:35.800
She goes to church three times a week,
Mike.

01:39:40.340 --> 01:39:42.800
It really pisses me off.

01:39:44.600 --> 01:39:50.500
You know, I actually really liked going to
church when I was a little kid.

01:39:52.740 --> 01:39:53.800
Why'd you stop?

01:39:54.520 --> 01:39:55.600
Typical shit.

01:39:55.600 --> 01:40:07.030
But the weird thing is, is... I think I...
I think I figured that maybe one day I

01:40:07.030 --> 01:40:08.230
would...

01:40:08.230 --> 01:40:11.570
I would actually go back.

01:40:13.470 --> 01:40:15.730
I really... I was holding on to that.

01:40:18.170 --> 01:40:25.390
I read those letters and I... and
something just... cracked.

01:40:27.350 --> 01:40:28.390
It's a shitty feeling.

01:40:28.690 --> 01:40:28.930
Yeah.

01:40:30.610 --> 01:40:32.090
It's a shitty feeling.

01:40:36.350 --> 01:40:37.750
Looks like a long day.

01:40:38.090 --> 01:40:40.110
Pete, I'm sorry to make it longer.

01:40:41.090 --> 01:40:41.650
Brian?

01:40:43.510 --> 01:40:45.610
Has anyone ever said no to a drink with
you, Pete?

01:40:46.750 --> 01:40:47.630
Well, sure.

01:40:48.670 --> 01:40:50.230
But the trick is to keep asking.

01:40:50.850 --> 01:40:51.450
For Boston.

01:40:52.190 --> 01:40:52.670
Boston.

01:40:55.630 --> 01:40:56.030
Mmm.

01:40:56.030 --> 01:40:58.750
So, uh, you here for the Cardinal?

01:40:59.330 --> 01:41:00.670
Oh, no, no, no, no.

01:41:00.730 --> 01:41:04.210
I wouldn't, uh... I wouldn't presume to
speak for the Cardinal, no.

01:41:05.850 --> 01:41:09.570
You know, you get a lot of people here
respect you, Robbie.

01:41:10.190 --> 01:41:11.250
The work you do.

01:41:12.310 --> 01:41:13.290
That's good to know.

01:41:13.490 --> 01:41:15.230
You know, it's because you care about this
place.

01:41:15.490 --> 01:41:15.650
Yeah.

01:41:15.810 --> 01:41:16.850
It's why you do what you do.

01:41:16.910 --> 01:41:17.610
It's who you are.

01:41:18.810 --> 01:41:24.750
You know, when people need the church more
than ever right now, you know,

01:41:24.790 --> 01:41:25.630
you can feel it.

01:41:26.710 --> 01:41:31.950
And the Cardinal, uh... you know,
the Cardinal, he might not be perfect.

01:41:33.150 --> 01:41:36.210
But we can't throw out all the good he's
doing over a few bad apples.

01:41:38.410 --> 01:41:42.350
Now, you know, I'm bringing this up to you
because I know this is Barron's idea,

01:41:42.670 --> 01:41:43.290
his agenda.

01:41:44.170 --> 01:41:47.790
I gotta tell you, I mean, honest to God,
I mean, he doesn't care about this city

01:41:47.790 --> 01:41:48.430
the way we do.

01:41:49.610 --> 01:41:50.490
I mean, how could he?

01:41:57.620 --> 01:41:59.560
This is how it happens, isn't it,
Pete?

01:42:00.180 --> 01:42:00.700
What's that?

01:42:01.140 --> 01:42:05.820
Guy leans on a guy and suddenly the whole
town just looks the other way.

01:42:08.180 --> 01:42:09.260
Robby, Robby.

01:42:10.560 --> 01:42:11.180
Look it.

01:42:12.740 --> 01:42:14.920
Monty Barron is just trying to make his
mark.

01:42:15.860 --> 01:42:18.020
He's gonna be here for a couple of years
and he's gonna move on.

01:42:18.380 --> 01:42:20.700
Just like he did in New York and Miami.

01:42:22.800 --> 01:42:23.820
Where are you gonna go?

01:42:29.200 --> 01:42:30.520
Good night, Robby.

01:42:31.260 --> 01:42:31.580
Brian?

01:42:33.220 --> 01:42:33.940
Hey, uh, Pete?

01:42:35.060 --> 01:42:35.420
Yeah?

01:42:35.820 --> 01:42:41.500
Uh, when we do run the story, uh,
I'm gonna need a comment from the

01:42:41.500 --> 01:42:41.900
Cardinal.

01:42:44.100 --> 01:42:45.480
We'll talk again later.

01:42:46.180 --> 01:42:46.880
Good night, Robby.

01:42:47.100 --> 01:42:47.580
Night, Pete.

01:42:58.840 --> 01:42:59.440
Robby.

01:43:01.440 --> 01:43:02.040
What?

01:43:03.520 --> 01:43:05.100
No shit when.

01:43:07.700 --> 01:43:09.380
Okay, yeah.

01:43:12.720 --> 01:43:13.320
Hey.

01:43:14.660 --> 01:43:15.400
What's up?

01:43:17.460 --> 01:43:19.000
Sweeney ruled in our favor.

01:43:19.900 --> 01:43:21.460
She ruled to unseal the documents.

01:43:23.480 --> 01:43:24.080
Jeez.

01:43:27.840 --> 01:43:32.200
Church has already filed an appeal,
but the trial court ruling is generally

01:43:32.200 --> 01:43:32.980
upheld in these matters.

01:43:33.740 --> 01:43:35.520
And when will we get the documents?

01:43:36.580 --> 01:43:40.380
Probably takes Cohen a few weeks to rule,
then there's a redaction process.

01:43:41.260 --> 01:43:43.900
Uh, I'd say they'd be made public
mid-January.

01:43:45.160 --> 01:43:45.640
Okay.

01:43:45.900 --> 01:43:46.080
Alright?

01:43:46.520 --> 01:43:47.100
Thanks, John.

01:43:47.260 --> 01:43:47.500
You bet.

01:43:47.640 --> 01:43:48.140
Nice work.

01:43:48.280 --> 01:43:48.620
Thanks.

01:43:49.540 --> 01:43:50.780
Metro should run something, Marty.

01:43:51.420 --> 01:43:52.880
We can't run this one, Big.

01:43:53.860 --> 01:43:54.660
Why wouldn't we?

01:43:54.900 --> 01:43:56.640
It's a major First Amendment victory.

01:43:56.880 --> 01:44:00.280
Not to mention, you get an Irish Catholic
judge ruling against the Church.

01:44:00.580 --> 01:44:01.620
That's a hell of a precedent.

01:44:02.020 --> 01:44:02.340
Mm-hmm.

01:44:03.220 --> 01:44:05.040
We don't want the Harem going deep on
this.

01:44:05.920 --> 01:44:06.620
Why, son?

01:44:09.080 --> 01:44:10.480
You're gonna have to step out,
Peter.

01:44:11.240 --> 01:44:12.300
I'm not stepping out.

01:44:36.370 --> 01:44:38.110
Peter, when did you, uh...

01:44:38.110 --> 01:44:38.850
A couple of weeks ago.

01:44:39.130 --> 01:44:39.970
A couple of weeks?

01:44:40.790 --> 01:44:41.030
Yeah.

01:44:41.210 --> 01:44:42.070
And you're telling us now?

01:44:42.570 --> 01:44:43.470
These are substantial.

01:44:44.970 --> 01:44:47.290
They clearly show that Long was negligent.

01:44:48.410 --> 01:44:49.270
I need more time.

01:44:49.690 --> 01:44:50.550
I want to keep digging.

01:44:51.030 --> 01:44:51.570
For what?

01:44:51.630 --> 01:44:52.610
This is a goddamn story.

01:44:52.790 --> 01:44:53.770
It's not the whole story.

01:44:53.770 --> 01:44:54.590
Tough shit.

01:44:54.730 --> 01:44:55.550
We're on a clock now.

01:44:56.050 --> 01:44:58.810
Even if we don't run Sweeney's rulings,
another paper could find these letters and

01:44:58.810 --> 01:44:59.470
fuck the story.

01:44:59.610 --> 01:45:00.030
Agreed.

01:45:00.390 --> 01:45:03.810
But we run these letters alone,
Long apologizes, says it's a one-time

01:45:03.810 --> 01:45:04.090
thing.

01:45:04.270 --> 01:45:05.030
He can bury it.

01:45:05.490 --> 01:45:05.770
How?

01:45:05.910 --> 01:45:08.110
These clearly show he knew and did nothing
about it.

01:45:08.410 --> 01:45:11.150
Look, I'm close to stories on 70 priests.

01:45:12.030 --> 01:45:16.830
We nail that along with those letters,
this is proof that this is bigger than

01:45:16.830 --> 01:45:17.170
Law.

01:45:18.210 --> 01:45:19.190
This is the whole system.

01:45:20.730 --> 01:45:23.030
You have multiple sources confirming all
those priests.

01:45:23.830 --> 01:45:24.550
On some.

01:45:24.790 --> 01:45:25.390
I can get more.

01:45:25.850 --> 01:45:26.490
Too risky.

01:45:26.990 --> 01:45:29.770
If we're not buttoned up on every single
one of them, the church will pick us

01:45:29.770 --> 01:45:30.090
apart.

01:45:32.070 --> 01:45:34.410
I think I can get us someone from the
other side of the aisle.

01:45:35.190 --> 01:45:36.450
Somebody inside the church?

01:45:37.530 --> 01:45:38.350
Yeah, a lawyer.

01:45:39.430 --> 01:45:40.330
Will he go on the record?

01:45:41.210 --> 01:45:43.530
Deep background, but he's a solid source.

01:45:47.600 --> 01:45:49.080
Resendez needs time to write the story.

01:45:49.880 --> 01:45:52.300
We don't want to drop it at Christmas,
not after 9-11.

01:45:53.680 --> 01:45:57.420
We can run it just after New Year's,
before they release the rest of the

01:45:57.420 --> 01:45:57.880
documents.

01:46:02.100 --> 01:46:02.540
Alright.

01:46:04.160 --> 01:46:06.580
Tell Canellos to bury the ruling in Metro.

01:46:08.760 --> 01:46:09.500
You've got six weeks.

01:46:10.860 --> 01:46:11.440
Thank you.

01:46:12.840 --> 01:46:14.780
Tell Mike I want a draft by Christmas.

01:46:15.500 --> 01:46:17.080
And we need a response from Lake Street.

01:46:17.440 --> 01:46:18.820
Who does PR for the Cardinals?

01:46:18.920 --> 01:46:19.620
John Walsh?

01:46:19.860 --> 01:46:20.560
No, somebody new.

01:46:20.640 --> 01:46:22.760
Donna Morris says she came from TV,
she's the author.

01:46:23.140 --> 01:46:23.860
Good, get a quote.

01:46:23.860 --> 01:46:25.760
Need something from Lotto if you're even
handed.

01:46:26.120 --> 01:46:28.140
Robbie, next time give me a goddamn heads
up.

01:46:28.440 --> 01:46:28.940
Will do.

01:47:35.430 --> 01:47:36.550
Shepherds, shepherds...

01:47:50.420 --> 01:47:55.240
Robbie, what a nice surprise.

01:47:55.840 --> 01:47:56.620
Come on in.

01:48:03.590 --> 01:48:04.470
Hey, hon.

01:48:04.790 --> 01:48:06.410
Look who I found outside.

01:48:09.630 --> 01:48:10.850
Karen, can you give us a minute?

01:48:13.130 --> 01:48:13.690
Sure.

01:48:14.810 --> 01:48:15.990
Good to see you, Karen.

01:48:19.470 --> 01:48:20.110
What's up?

01:48:35.740 --> 01:48:36.760
I'm out of time, Jim.

01:48:38.380 --> 01:48:41.100
We've got cover-up stories on 70 priests.

01:48:41.780 --> 01:48:45.940
But the boss isn't going to run it unless
I get confirmation from your side.

01:48:48.020 --> 01:48:49.840
Are you out of your mind?

01:48:50.200 --> 01:48:52.200
Come on, this is our town, Jimmy.

01:48:52.840 --> 01:48:56.400
Everybody knew something was going on,
and no one did a thing.

01:48:57.620 --> 01:48:59.020
We gotta put an end to it.

01:48:59.160 --> 01:49:00.820
Don't tell me what I gotta do.

01:49:01.820 --> 01:49:04.680
Yeah, I helped defend these scumbags,
but that's my job, Robbie.

01:49:04.900 --> 01:49:07.040
I was doing my job.

01:49:08.200 --> 01:49:08.640
Yeah.

01:49:10.400 --> 01:49:11.560
You and everyone else.

01:49:20.780 --> 01:49:22.040
Get out of my house.

01:49:33.470 --> 01:49:33.910
Hey!

01:49:36.410 --> 01:49:38.770
You come to my home and lay this shit on
me?

01:49:40.090 --> 01:49:41.230
You were right, Robbie.

01:49:42.270 --> 01:49:44.330
We all knew something was going on.

01:49:45.210 --> 01:49:46.290
So where were you?

01:49:47.850 --> 01:49:49.030
What took you so long?

01:49:55.800 --> 01:49:56.900
I don't know, Jim.

01:50:02.520 --> 01:50:03.340
Give me the list.

01:51:00.570 --> 01:51:02.050
Larry, we're going to press in six hours.

01:51:02.310 --> 01:51:04.730
Donna Morrissey said she called us with a
quote from law hours ago.

01:51:04.830 --> 01:51:05.330
That's what I thought.

01:51:05.670 --> 01:51:06.610
When did you talk to her?

01:51:07.310 --> 01:51:08.110
Okay, Larry.

01:51:09.950 --> 01:51:11.070
Yeah, that's good to know.

01:51:11.710 --> 01:51:12.330
Thanks, Pete.

01:51:12.890 --> 01:51:13.250
Anything?

01:51:14.070 --> 01:51:15.910
Connolly said that Donna Morrissey should
have called.

01:51:16.010 --> 01:51:17.030
He just left Lake Street.

01:51:17.210 --> 01:51:17.350
Yeah.

01:51:18.110 --> 01:51:19.070
Rasky said the same thing.

01:51:19.210 --> 01:51:20.010
This is ridiculous.

01:51:20.110 --> 01:51:21.270
You'd think they'd want to get ahead of
this.

01:51:21.270 --> 01:51:22.730
I mean, they'd be idiots not to.

01:51:23.430 --> 01:51:24.670
I would love to see this happen.

01:51:24.670 --> 01:51:26.710
How do you see their faces when they read
this thing, man?

01:51:26.810 --> 01:51:28.550
You know, Sunday is the feast of the
epiphany.

01:51:29.270 --> 01:51:30.070
Seems appropriate.

01:51:36.900 --> 01:51:37.700
Mike Resendiz.

01:51:39.780 --> 01:51:40.340
Hey, Donna.

01:51:41.440 --> 01:51:42.140
Thanks for calling.

01:51:42.540 --> 01:51:44.280
Yeah, I just had a few questions,
if you have a minute.

01:51:47.260 --> 01:51:47.660
What?

01:51:49.900 --> 01:51:50.300
What?

01:51:51.040 --> 01:51:51.820
Another adjective.

01:51:53.980 --> 01:51:54.380
Anything?

01:51:54.980 --> 01:51:55.920
Law just turned us down.

01:51:56.120 --> 01:51:57.060
Jesus Christ.

01:51:57.060 --> 01:51:59.380
I just got off the phone with Donna
Morrissey.

01:51:59.580 --> 01:52:02.960
She said, quote, we don't even want to
know what the questions are, end quote.

01:52:03.200 --> 01:52:04.180
She really said that?

01:52:04.520 --> 01:52:04.780
Yeah.

01:52:05.360 --> 01:52:06.200
Well, that ought to do it.

01:52:06.600 --> 01:52:10.600
The church had no interest in knowing what
the Globe's questions would be.

01:52:12.200 --> 01:52:13.780
Fork it in somewhere before the jump.

01:52:14.080 --> 01:52:14.720
Anything else?

01:52:15.060 --> 01:52:18.360
Matt wants to put the letters online so
the readers can see for themselves.

01:52:18.960 --> 01:52:21.080
We can run the URL at the bottom of the
article.

01:52:21.180 --> 01:52:21.800
It's pretty straightforward.

01:52:22.560 --> 01:52:22.840
Okay.

01:52:22.840 --> 01:52:26.520
We also put the spotlight tip line at the
end of the story so people can call in.

01:52:26.720 --> 01:52:27.980
It goes directly to our office.

01:52:28.200 --> 01:52:30.180
Matt and I can go in in the morning in
case we get any calls.

01:52:30.520 --> 01:52:32.320
Yeah, I'm more concerned about the phones
at reception.

01:52:32.760 --> 01:52:35.680
After we ran the Porter case, the message
centers were tied up for weeks.

01:52:35.960 --> 01:52:36.700
It's a real problem.

01:52:36.900 --> 01:52:37.740
There were picketers, too.

01:52:38.160 --> 01:52:38.700
Lots of them.

01:52:39.100 --> 01:52:41.400
I'll talk to Richard about security and
the phones.

01:52:42.220 --> 01:52:44.180
How are we coming on the follow story?

01:52:45.140 --> 01:52:47.660
Well, we've nailed down multiple stories
on the 70 priests.

01:52:49.080 --> 01:52:49.640
All 70?

01:52:49.640 --> 01:52:50.580
Mm-hmm.

01:52:50.880 --> 01:52:53.300
And with confirmation from Robbie's
source, we're ready to go.

01:52:53.460 --> 01:52:54.480
We can have a draft next week.

01:52:54.920 --> 01:52:58.460
Robbie, that source of yours, is there
something we could revisit?

01:53:00.960 --> 01:53:02.000
It might be tough.

01:53:02.400 --> 01:53:05.520
But he has no problem helping the church
protect dozens of dirty priests.

01:53:05.820 --> 01:53:06.640
That's a scumbag.

01:53:06.820 --> 01:53:07.460
He's a lawyer.

01:53:07.560 --> 01:53:08.480
He's doing his job.

01:53:08.640 --> 01:53:09.660
He's a shoot for the church.

01:53:09.840 --> 01:53:10.920
He knew and did nothing.

01:53:11.200 --> 01:53:12.320
He could have said something years ago.

01:53:12.360 --> 01:53:13.180
Maybe save some lives.

01:53:13.540 --> 01:53:14.300
What about us?

01:53:16.260 --> 01:53:17.240
What's that supposed to mean?

01:53:17.640 --> 01:53:18.760
We had all the pieces.

01:53:19.880 --> 01:53:20.880
Why didn't we get it sooner?

01:53:21.400 --> 01:53:22.380
We didn't have all the pieces.

01:53:22.680 --> 01:53:23.320
We had Saviano.

01:53:23.660 --> 01:53:24.340
We had Barrett.

01:53:24.680 --> 01:53:25.320
We had Gagin.

01:53:25.880 --> 01:53:27.120
We had the directories in the basement.

01:53:27.580 --> 01:53:27.900
You know what?

01:53:27.920 --> 01:53:28.540
We got it now.

01:53:28.720 --> 01:53:30.640
Robbie, the story needed spotlight.

01:53:31.820 --> 01:53:33.880
Mike, spotlight's been around since 1970.

01:53:34.180 --> 01:53:34.720
So what?

01:53:35.380 --> 01:53:36.540
We couldn't see the scope of this.

01:53:36.600 --> 01:53:37.260
No one could.

01:53:37.500 --> 01:53:39.440
Robbie, this started with one goddamn
priest.

01:53:42.320 --> 01:53:45.160
McLeish sent us a letter on 20 priests
years ago.

01:53:45.480 --> 01:53:46.380
Saw she found the clip.

01:53:47.420 --> 01:53:48.340
Are you freaking kidding me?

01:53:48.340 --> 01:53:48.980
20 priests?

01:53:50.120 --> 01:53:50.580
When?

01:53:52.200 --> 01:53:53.340
Uh, just after quarter.

01:53:54.060 --> 01:53:54.800
December 93.

01:53:55.360 --> 01:53:56.520
We buried the story in Metro.

01:53:56.800 --> 01:53:57.240
No follow.

01:53:58.680 --> 01:53:59.500
That was you.

01:54:02.280 --> 01:54:03.160
You were Metro.

01:54:04.980 --> 01:54:05.440
Yeah.

01:54:05.440 --> 01:54:06.220
That was me.

01:54:07.460 --> 01:54:08.280
I had just taken over.

01:54:08.380 --> 01:54:09.420
I don't remember it at all.

01:54:11.240 --> 01:54:11.760
Yeah.

01:54:17.280 --> 01:54:19.820
Can I say something here?

01:54:21.880 --> 01:54:25.580
Sometimes it's easy to forget that we
spend most of our time stumbling around

01:54:25.580 --> 01:54:26.020
the dark.

01:54:27.360 --> 01:54:31.520
Suddenly a light gets turned on and
there's a fair share of blame to go

01:54:31.520 --> 01:54:31.820
around.

01:54:33.800 --> 01:54:39.140
I can't speak to what happened before I
arrived, but all of you have done some

01:54:39.140 --> 01:54:40.340
very good reporting here.

01:54:41.600 --> 01:54:46.300
Reporting that I believe is going to have
an immediate and considerable impact on

01:54:46.300 --> 01:54:46.700
our readers.

01:54:49.120 --> 01:54:52.760
For me, this kind of story is why we do
this.

01:54:53.440 --> 01:54:57.060
Having said that, Cardinal Law and the
Catholic community are going to have a

01:54:57.060 --> 01:54:58.460
very strong response to this.

01:54:59.840 --> 01:55:04.100
So, if you need a moment, you've earned
it.

01:55:04.620 --> 01:55:11.460
But, uh, I will need you back here Monday
morning focused and ready to do your job.

01:55:20.380 --> 01:55:20.900
Leaving?

01:55:22.080 --> 01:55:22.600
Yeah.

01:55:28.800 --> 01:55:31.140
I, uh, just got a call from the Cardinal.

01:55:31.680 --> 01:55:32.080
Really?

01:55:32.800 --> 01:55:33.200
Why?

01:55:33.720 --> 01:55:35.020
He wanted to tell me personally.

01:55:35.160 --> 01:55:36.460
They decided not to comment.

01:55:37.300 --> 01:55:41.400
But, uh, he said he wanted to,
uh, extend me that courtesy.

01:55:42.120 --> 01:55:43.720
Jesus, the balls on that guy.

01:55:44.040 --> 01:55:44.740
What did you say?

01:55:45.320 --> 01:55:48.000
I told him he was making a mistake and
that we were going to run the story.

01:55:49.080 --> 01:55:50.180
You're damn right we're going to run it.

01:56:15.700 --> 01:56:17.280
Sasha, can I have a drink of water?

01:56:18.640 --> 01:56:19.120
Yeah.

01:56:19.720 --> 01:56:20.320
Sure, Nina.

01:56:31.800 --> 01:56:33.180
Can I keep this?

01:56:36.360 --> 01:56:36.840
Sure.

01:56:36.840 --> 01:56:38.280
I thought you should see it first.

01:56:39.000 --> 01:56:40.040
Thank you for bringing it by.

01:56:43.380 --> 01:56:45.680
Now, I have some plans I have to attend
to.

01:57:04.000 --> 01:57:05.340
Both kids were abused.

01:57:06.420 --> 01:57:07.800
Jamaica plane, two weeks ago.

01:57:11.360 --> 01:57:13.500
Keep doing your work, Mr. Hernandez.

01:57:15.540 --> 01:57:16.100
Hello.

01:57:17.680 --> 01:57:19.200
How are you guys doing?

01:57:20.680 --> 01:57:21.240
Good.

01:58:08.380 --> 01:58:08.940
Hey.

01:58:09.820 --> 01:58:10.380
Morning.

01:58:11.160 --> 01:58:12.080
How'd you sleep?

01:58:13.140 --> 01:58:14.020
Not very well.

01:58:14.580 --> 01:58:14.800
You?

01:58:15.180 --> 01:58:16.320
I haven't slept well for months.

01:58:18.300 --> 01:58:19.100
Oh, thanks.

01:58:19.700 --> 01:58:21.000
I, uh, actually started writing.

01:58:21.940 --> 01:58:22.220
Writing?

01:58:22.220 --> 01:58:22.580
Yeah.

01:58:22.920 --> 01:58:23.860
I'm working on a book.

01:58:24.100 --> 01:58:25.560
Gives me something else to focus on.

01:58:25.960 --> 01:58:26.600
What kind of book?

01:58:27.540 --> 01:58:27.880
Horror.

01:58:35.850 --> 01:58:36.290
Spotlight.

01:58:38.110 --> 01:58:38.550
Yeah.

01:58:39.570 --> 01:58:40.370
Yeah, of course.

01:58:40.690 --> 01:58:41.870
Can I get your name, please?

01:58:58.600 --> 01:59:00.120
You do know it's Sunday, right?

01:59:00.420 --> 01:59:01.300
Couldn't get a tea time.

01:59:04.830 --> 01:59:05.670
No picketers.

01:59:07.010 --> 01:59:07.450
Yeah.

01:59:07.450 --> 01:59:08.770
Probably still at church.

01:59:11.450 --> 01:59:12.190
Wait a minute.

01:59:13.070 --> 01:59:14.010
It's quiet, huh?

01:59:14.530 --> 01:59:14.770
Yeah.

01:59:15.010 --> 01:59:16.550
Easiest overtime I ever made.

01:59:16.950 --> 01:59:18.030
Phone hasn't rung once.

01:59:18.630 --> 01:59:20.390
Maddy sent two of mine down to Spotlight.

01:59:24.150 --> 01:59:25.270
Great article, guys.

01:59:25.430 --> 01:59:25.730
Thank you.

01:59:25.890 --> 01:59:26.110
Thanks.

01:59:27.130 --> 01:59:27.570
Spotlight?

01:59:47.100 --> 01:59:48.300
No, I haven't seen the article.

01:59:48.940 --> 01:59:49.760
Thank you so much.

01:59:51.400 --> 01:59:51.840
Okay.

01:59:52.420 --> 01:59:52.600
Yep.

01:59:52.840 --> 01:59:53.680
Send one to Spotlight.

01:59:53.780 --> 01:59:54.200
Can I help you?

01:59:54.480 --> 01:59:55.720
Phones have been ringing all morning.

01:59:56.120 --> 01:59:56.480
That's right.

01:59:58.760 --> 01:59:59.820
Mike, can you grab that?

02:00:00.020 --> 02:00:00.200
Yeah.

02:00:00.540 --> 02:00:00.540
Yeah.

02:00:01.660 --> 02:00:03.380
They're almost all victims, Robin.

02:00:06.320 --> 02:00:07.240
I'm sorry to make you wait.