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My name's Tom Friess and I'll be your host
for the next hour.

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You're listening to FirstAmendmentRadio
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Thanks for tuning in.

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We'll continue now in the book by Dave
Hunt entitled, A Woman Rides a Beast,

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on page 400.

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Where yesterday we concluded our
discussion of the reign of Bloody Mary and

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the martyrdom of Latimer, Ridley,
and Cranmer, true Bible-believing

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Protestants.

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And the memorials included an X in the
street marking the very spot of their

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martyrdom and the plaque associated with
their martyrdom.

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And the statement that the persecutions
against true Bible-believing Protestants

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by Bloody Queen Mary prepared England to
receive the true faith of the Gospel.

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And her immediate successor was her
half-sister, Elizabeth I.

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And that's where we begin our discussion
this morning.

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Under the subtitle, Rewriting History,
Dave Hunt writes, Mary was succeeded on

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the throne.

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This is Bloody Mary, the persecutor of the
saints of God in England.

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Bloody Mary was succeeded on the throne by
her half-sister, Elizabeth, who turned

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England back to Protestantism,
ending the Pope's power on English soil.

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A refreshing breath of freedom was blowing
across the land, and it had to be stopped.

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The Pope vented his rage from Rome,
confident that his vast army of loyal

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subjects, reinforced with promises of
plenary indulgences, would do his bidding.

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As already mentioned, on February of 1570,
Pope Pius V pronounced Queen Elizabeth a

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heretic, deprived her of her kingdom,
forbade her subjects to obey her,

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and excommunicated all who remained loyal
to her.

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But Elizabeth, and most of England,
simply ignored the Pope's fulminations.

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Wouldn't it be wonderful?

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Wouldn't it be a blessing from God if the
truth finally soaked in, and all the

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people and all the kings of the earth just
simply ignored the Pope's fulminations?

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What could the Pope do?

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Nothing.

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But the world has rejected the Gospel.

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The world seeks religion, and they find it
in the Roman Catholic Church.

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And so the horrors and persecutions of
Rome continue to this day, only on such a

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scale that no one recognizes it for what
it is.

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World wars.

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That's how Rome does her biddings today.

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Continuing, he says, Many of Rome's
fanatical zealots, however, were inspired

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to attempt to overthrow Queen Elizabeth I.

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The plot was uncovered, the conspirators
were arrested, and about 120 priests and

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60 laity were executed.

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These were not persecuted believers,
martyred for their faith, but

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revolutionaries, executed for treason.

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Ironically, these traitors are honored
each year as the English Martyrs,

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as they are called, while the hundreds
consumed in the flames for their faith in

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Christ under Catholic monarchs are
forgotten.

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To mention evangelicals martyred for their
faith would offend Catholics and threaten

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the ecumenical dialogue with Rome.

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So history is being rewritten.

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The martyrs of the Reformation are,
in effect, being mocked by evangelical

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leaders who now join with Rome in a new
spirit of mutual trust and cooperation.

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Author Michael Disemlian writes with
passion from England.

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Listen to what he says.

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I've read his book right here on
Inquisition Update.

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I highly recommend it.

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Quote, Many of us were brought up to
believe that the martyrs of our faith were

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those who died in the fire, unwilling,
unable, and unwilling to compromise their

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trust in the scriptures.

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But in November of 1987, in
uncharacteristic fashion, the serious

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newspapers, TV, and radio were giving
prominent coverage to, quote, the honoring

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of English martyrs, unquote.

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We were startled to discover that they
referred to 85 Roman Catholic,

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quote, heroes of resistance to the
Protestant Reformation, unquote.

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These men were beatified by the Pope in
Rome in the presence of the Anglican

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Bishop of Birmingham, Mark Santer,
unquote.

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Disemlian informs us that, quote,
At the time of the extensive press

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coverage in 1987, the beatification of the
85 English martyrs, the London-based

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United Protestant Council sent the
following to all English newspapers,

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yet none printed any part of it.

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Now look, the mainstream media lauded
these traitors, Roman Catholic traitors,

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who intended to overthrow the legitimate
government of Elizabeth I.

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They were championed as martyrs.

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They were not martyred for their faith.

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They were executed for treason.

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And when the Protestants tried to set the
record straight, the press wouldn't cover

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it.

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Control the press in England.

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Now here's what they said.

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Here's what the Protestants said.

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No one who is concerned for historical
truth can be satisfied with the claim by

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the Roman Catholic Church that the 85
English subjects that have been beatified

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by the Pope were martyrs, which means that
they suffered for their faith alone.

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They were not martyrs.

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They did not suffer at all for their faith
alone.

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They suffered because they were
treasonous.

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They attempted to overthrow the legitimate
monarch of England.

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Not for their faith.

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They were not martyrs.

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And yet they were portrayed in the
mainstream media as martyrs.

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It continues, he says, The 288 martyrs who
were put to death during Queen Mary's

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first five-year reign suffered solely for
their faith.

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They were condemned on purely religious
charges, being principally that they

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refused the doctrine of
transubstantiation.

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They never denied that Mary was the lawful
Queen of England, nor maintained any of

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her open foreign enemies, nor procured any
rebellion or civil war.

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They did not sow sedition in secret
places.

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Such charges of treason, however,
were legitimately brought against those

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Roman Catholics who were put to death
under the reign of Elizabeth I and

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succeeding monarchs, and whose names are
included in the recent list of those

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beatified by the Pope of Rome.

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No Roman Catholic was executed in the
first 11 years of Elizabeth I's reign,

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prior to Pope Pius V inciting all Roman
Catholics to rebellion, commanding them

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not to obey her on pain of
excommunication.

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It's an unchallengeable fact that no Roman
Catholic was executed solely on account of

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his religious beliefs.

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The truth is that most of those laymen
beatified were put to death for assisting

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the seminary priests in their design to
bring down the throne.

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63 of the 85 English martyrs, as they are
called, were seminary priests trained

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abroad and sent back to further the plots
of the Pope to undermine the English

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throne.

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These had been stepped up after Pope
Gregory XIII's sanction of the

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assassination of Elizabeth in 1580,
and the organization of the Spanish Armada

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invasion of England in 1588.

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With this background in mind, it's
impossible to agree that these men were

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martyrs in any proper sense of the word.

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On the contrary, what the Church of Rome
is engaged in doing is glorifying

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traitors, spies, and conspirators.

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That's the truth of history.

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The Protestants who died in England died
for their faith, for denying

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transubstantiation, the so-called power of
the priest to change the wafer into the

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literal blood, body, soul, and divinity of
Christ.

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It's an abomination, and they rightly
refused it, and denounced it, and

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condemned it as heresy.

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They were burned for their speech,
religious speech.

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But the martyrs that are glorified in the
press in England today were traitors,

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pure and simple.

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And now they're rewriting history.

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Under the subtitle, The Reformation
Betrayed, Dave Hunt says, It seems

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inexplicable that the English,
of all people, carefully avoided any

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mention of genuine martyrs, and instead
honored seditious traitors.

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When George Carey was enthroned as the new
Archbishop of Canterbury in April 1991,

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he reached far back into England's
pre-Reformation past to praise by name

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some of the Catholic Archbishops of
Canterbury.

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In doing so, he deliberately passed over
many of his predecessors in that office

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who had firmly stood against the evils of
Rome.

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Most conspicuous by its absence was any
mention of the first Protestant Archbishop

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of Canterbury, Thomas Cranmer,
martyred for the very faith which Carey

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had sworn to defend.

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History is sacrificed on the altar of
ecumenism as an oblation to Rome.

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No sacrifice is too great to further the
quote-unquote unity movement that is

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drawing the non-Catholic Church back under
the authority of the Pope.

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Recently, the Duchess of Kent,
seven Anglican bishops and more than 700

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English clergymen converted to Roman
Catholicism.

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The same historical revisionism is being
practiced by American evangelical leaders

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who dishonor the memories of those who
preserved the gospel with their own blood.

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Catholic apologists in America promote the
same revisionism.

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Peter Kreeft writes of the noble Catholic
martyrs, but doesn't explain that they

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were executed for treason, not for their
faith.

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And he never mentions the far more
numerous martyrs slain by Catholics,

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an omission all the more inexcusable when
found in a book that purports to argue for

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the truth.

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Such an omission is scarcely recognized by
one in a thousand Protestants for the

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misinformation it is, and is instead
passed on as truth by evangelical leaders.

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While Rome pretends to have changed,
and thereby deceives many evangelicals,

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Roman Catholic apologists like Carl
Keating, Jerry Metathyx, Scott Hahn and

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Thomas Howard, and others, are stepping up
their efforts to educate Roman Catholics

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against what they boldly claim are errors
of the evangelical gospel.

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The Pope himself is in the forefront of
the denunciation of the evangelical faith

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to Catholic audiences, while he tells the
so-called separated brethren of his love

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and desire for unity with them.

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What about this lovey-dovey dialogue now
established between the ecumenical

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evangelicals who have renounced Christ and
made their bed with the whore of Rome?

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What about this lovey-dovey dialogue?

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Dave says we are told to love one another
as Christ has loved us.

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Pop psychology trivializes that command by
equating it with a quote-unquote positive

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attitude.

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Forgotten is the first duty of love.

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What is the first duty of love according
to the scriptures?

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The first duty of love is to speak the
truth.

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Ephesians chapter 4 verse 15.

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You know, I'm speaking to my listeners
now.

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So many people criticize me.

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They say, Tom, you just don't sound very
loving.

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But that's because I tell you the truth.

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And that is the first duty of love as God
defines love in the scriptures.

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To tell the truth.

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Real love does not flatter or soothe when
correction is needed, but points out the

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error which is blinding and harming the
loved one.

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Jesus Christ said, quote, As many as I
love, I rebuke and chasten.

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Be zealous, therefore, and repent.

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Revelation chapter 3 verse 19.

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Instead, the idea is now current that love
excludes rebuke, ignores the truth,

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and seeks unity at any price.

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Only disaster can result.

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And you know what that disaster is?

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The ecumenical movement.

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And you know what that is in God's
heavenly house?

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It's the last straw.

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The last straw.

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Eugene Daniels, World Vision International
Senior Advisor for Church Relations

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recently said, quote, We discovered that
we could work with the Roman Catholic

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Church in terms of the spiritual needs of
the people in much the same way that we

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have traditionally worked with the
Protestant churches.

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Unquote.

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Other major evangelical ministries that
have been working with Catholics as fellow

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Christians include Billy Graham
Evangelistic Association, Charles Colson

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Prison Fellowship, InterVarsity Christian
Fellowship, Campus Crusade for Christ,

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Full Gospel Businessmen Fellowship,
Youth with a Mission, Wycliffe Bible

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Translators, and others.

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Obviously, this recent development,
peculiar to our generation, peculiar to

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our generation, is extremely significant
and is gaining momentum as Rome increases

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its campaign to present itself as
evangelical.

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Trust me, Rome is not evangelical.

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You know how Rome promotes her religion?

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Not by reasoning in the scripture,
but by getting a hold and control of the

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governments of the nations and then
forcing Roman Catholic law upon the people

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and making Roman Catholicism the
state-sponsored religion to the exclusion

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of all others.

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That's evangelism from Rome.

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It's not included in the gospel.

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God is not a tyrant.

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And this evangelism by Rome has been
demonstrated all throughout her history.

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It defines her.

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Convert or die.

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That's Rome.

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That's what's going to happen in this
country.

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Convert or die.

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You either sign up to the Pope's New World
Order or you're going to die.

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That's what Rome has in store if God
doesn't intervene.

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That's Rome's evangelism.

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Now, why would any clear-thinking,
Bible-knowledgeable Christian have

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anything whatsoever to do with the beast?

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A Christian with the love of Christ in his
heart would be willing to forgive past

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history, even of oppression, torture,
and death.

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But forgiveness has not been asked,
nor has any wrong been admitted by the

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Roman Catholic Church.

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As for the present, Rome's dogmas have not
changed, and her false gospel is still

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sending souls to eternal judgment by the
millions.

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The salvation of souls is the great issue.

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How man can be forgiven and assured of
eternity in heaven.

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All else is secondary.

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Catholicism is a counterfeit gospel.

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No amount of dialogue can change that
fact, but only set the stage for the

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eventual compromise.

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That's what ecumenism is.

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And you know what's compromised?

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The gospel of Jesus Christ, the very means
for salvation.

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Dialogue.

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What a word.

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Dialogue is the proper, or rather the
popular folly, unheard of in the days of

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the martyrs.

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Dialogue?

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It was either bow to Rome's imperious
authority and accept her false gospel

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without question, or else die at her hand.

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Nor has Rome changed in her dogmas.

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Though she has had to change her tactics,
Vatican Council 2 clearly states that

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Rome's teachings are irreformable.

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That's right, in the very ecumenical
council that is lauded as peace and unity

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with Protestants, Rome redoubled her
insistence that she is irreformable.

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That's because she is the synagogue of
Satan, and the pope is the vicar of Satan

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himself.

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He's not the vicar of Christ.

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This is a counterfeit Christianity.

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It's the great apostasy, the great
delusion, the strong delusion,

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and we must recognize it for what it is.

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Let her dogmas and laws and her popes and
her history and her bloodshed define her

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just exactly the way the scriptures do.

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And what unity or dialogue should there be
between God's people and the whore of

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Rome?

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Her agents in these dialogues insist that
in the final analysis, the Roman Catholic

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Church is the only true church.

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That it has the sacraments which lead to
salvation, and that it can never share

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this distinction with others.

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Thank you, I appreciate that.

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I don't want to share the distinction of
the Roman Catholic Church.

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The purposes of dialogue is to draw,
is to lure, to woo the separated brethren

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back under the pope.

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Clearly the road upon which evangelicals
have set foot.

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In January of 1986, the Roman Catholic
Church and 29 Protestant denominations

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announced, quote, plans for a nationwide
evangelistic effort called Congress 88,

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unquote.

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The steering committee included members
from many Protestant denominations.

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Listen to this.

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Would the Apostle Paul have joined the
Judaizers in evangelization?

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In 1992, an ecumenical team of 19 U.S.

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religious leaders met with Pope John Paul
II, quote, to explore possibilities for an

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international interfaith effort to combat
child and hard pornography, unquote.

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Would Luther and Calvin have joined the
Papists to fight immorality?

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Of course not.

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Because morals, and even the solution to
social ills, cannot be divorced from the

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gospel.

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Two major articles, 13 pages in total,
in the February 1992 Bookstore Journal,

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the official publication of the Christian
Booksellers Association, urged members to

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cultivate Catholic customers as brothers
and sisters in Christ.

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Tragically, this will prevent the gospel
Catholics need to hear from being given to

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them.

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Even some leading evangelical watchdog
groups, which otherwise do a commendable

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job of warning the Church of false
doctrines and cults, lose their cutting

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edge when it comes to Roman Catholicism,
and Christian media is becoming a major

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promoter of compromise.

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On Trinity Broadcasting Network,
the largest Christian television network,

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network founder Paul Crouch, recently
deceased, and popular televangelist and

23:32.820 --> 23:40.940
faith healer Benny Hinn, declared that
Roman Catholic doctrine is no concern.

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For after all, Catholics, quote,
love Jesus, unquote.

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But then, so did Gandhi, and so do many
Muslims, to say nothing of Mormons and

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Jehovah's Witnesses.

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But what Jesus?

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The Bible warns of another Jesus,
and another gospel, and Rome surely has

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both.

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On another program, Crouch told two
priests and a leading Roman Catholic

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laywoman who were guests, and I'll give
you the quote after the break.

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Now speaking of Paul Crouch's Trinity
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For those of you who ever watched Paul
Crouch, you realize that he had on his set

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regularly Roman Catholic priests.

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Whether they were in front of the cameras
or not, there were regularly Roman

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Catholic priests on his set.

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Almost like overseers of the program.

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Now Paul Crouch, who is recently deceased,
had on one of his programs two priests and

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a leading Catholic laywoman who were
guests.

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And here's what he said.

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In the essentials of our theology,
speaking of Evangelicalism and Roman

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Catholicism.

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In the essentials of our theology is
basically the same.

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Some of these so-called doctrinal
differences are simply matters of

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semantics.

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One of these things that has divided us,
and in direct reference to

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transubstantiation, that which always
resulted in martyrdom for those who

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denounced it.

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One of these things that has divided us,
transubstantiation, all these years,

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shouldn't have.

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We were really meaning the same thing,
but just saying it a little differently.

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So I say to the critics and theological
nitpickers, be gone in Jesus' name.

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Let's come together with Rome in the
spirit of love and unity.

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And with that, all the audience applauded.

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Even such admired evangelicals as J.I.

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Packer and Os Guinness have embraced Roman
Catholicism as basically Christian.

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And advocate working with Catholics and
evangelizing the world together.

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As is evidenced by their recent signing of
the Evangelicals and Catholics Together

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document.

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One of the most highly regarded
evangelical apologists, Norman L.

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Geisler, stated recently that Catholics
quote, believe in justification by grace,

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unquote.

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And that differences between Roman
Catholics and evangelicals, quote,

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are not as great as generally perceived.

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And they are not crucial, nor do they
involve heresy.

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The whole theological core of historic
Christianity is held in common,

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unquote.

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We've demonstrated that that is not indeed
the case at all.

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One is Christ, the other is Antichrist.

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There should be no dialogue.

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The Bible says we should have no
fellowship with the unfruitful works of

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darkness.

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But rather we should reprove them.

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But there's no reproof against Rome in the
Christian churches of this country today.

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What a horror.

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It's going to have consequences that are
scarcely perceived.

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And we're seeing those consequences today.

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And people never make the connection that
this country is being judged by God

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because we've made our bed with His mortal
enemy.

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Roman Catholicism, the biblical,
historical, and prophetic Antichrist.

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What blindness.

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And God's simply not going to tolerate it.

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The martyrs of Jesus demand God's
retribution against those who have

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repudiated the faith of Jesus Christ and
the gospel.

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Ecumenism is the destruction of the United
States of America because it is the

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destruction of Protestantism.

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Under the subtitle, The Unchanging Issue,
Salvation of Souls, Dave writes,

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Some evangelicals, including Billy Graham
and Louis Palau, have long pledged not to

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attempt to proselytize Catholics who,
quote, usually make up the largest single

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denominational group, unquote,
at Billy Graham's crusades.

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That certainly makes sense if Catholics
are now considered to be Christians.

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The names of Catholics who come forward
are turned over to local Roman Catholic

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churches for follow-up.

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Catholic bishops across the country
announce that such crusades are the best

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means they know of to bring lapsed
Catholics back into the Roman Catholic

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Church once again.

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Did you realize that Billy Graham was an
operative for the Roman Catholic Church?

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That he would attract lapsed Catholics,
seeking the gospel and the truth of Jesus

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Christ.

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He would draw them into his crusades,
give them the gospel message, and then

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send them back to their Roman Catholic
Church.

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Unbelievable.

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It would be unbelievable if it weren't so
demonstrably true.

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I've told the story before, and I'll tell
it again because it's very pertinent to

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this portion of the book.

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I was encouraged by my mother to go to a
big meeting down in Des Moines,

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a place called Kingsway Cathedral,
supposed to be an evangelical church,

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Pentecostal, and I was pressured by my
mother because I was attending a Baptist

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church, and of course she thought I needed
to be saved, and that means I needed to

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speak in tongues, and she desperately
wanted me to go to that church,

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to that meeting.

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Well, I went to that church to satisfy my
mother, and I heard a wonderful

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evangelical, or Protestant, Bible message.

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And I was moved in the Spirit.

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And I went forward with everyone else to
support the gospel.

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And while I was at the front, they prayed
for me.

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They singled me out, prayed for me,
laid His hand upon me, tried to slay me in

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the Spirit, and my legs didn't crumble.

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And having failed in His attempt to slay
me out in the Spirit, He then prophesied

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over me and said, You've been called into
the ministry.

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Of course, He didn't bother to tell me at
the time that the church actually had a

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college trying to recruit me into the
college, obviously for pecuniary interests

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more than anything else.

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And I became more and more disillusioned,
but nonetheless, after prophesying over me

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and calling me into the ministry,
He gave me a card and said, Now go to the

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back of the church and meet with
counselors at the back of the church and

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they'll help you.

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Assuming I was going to get signed up for
college.

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Well, I went back to the back of the
church, turned the corner through the door

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at the back of the church, and guess who
met me?

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A fully frocked Roman Catholic priest.

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Stuck out his hand to shake my hand,
and I began, as is my custom, to return

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the gesture and realize what I was doing.

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Withdrew my hand, spun around on my heel,
and went out the door.

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Well, it turns out, after going to the car
and sitting there, just trying to grasp

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what had just happened, I reached into my
pocket and I drew out the program that I'd

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been handed when I entered the church for
the meeting.

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I read the thing to find out what it was
really all about.

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And at the very bottom were the initials
of Billy, sponsored by the Billy Graham

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Evangelistic Association.

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Billy Graham didn't only evangelize
Catholics and send them back to the Roman

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Catholic Church, but Billy Graham was
sponsoring other evangelical churches to

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take lapsed Protestants, as it were,
and send them to the Roman Catholic

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Church.

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Billy Graham was an operative.

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Billy Graham was a wolf in sheep's
clothing, and I saw it with my own eyes.

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And I'm horrified that my mother was used
in an attempt to Catholicize her son.

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Says Billy Graham, quote, We're delighted
that the Roman Catholic Church now

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cooperates with us wherever we go,
unquote.

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That cooperation involved about 400 Roman
Catholic counselors in Billy Graham's

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mid-September 1990 crusade at Nassau
Coliseum, Long Island.

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Roman Catholic counselors at a Billy
Graham crusade?

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You must be kidding!

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I saw it with my own eyes.

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It's true.

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It's no calumniation.

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I saw it with my own eyes.

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When I came out of Kingsway Cathedral in
Des Moines, Iowa, met face-to-face with a

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fully-frocked Roman Catholic priest,
a Roman Catholic priest counselor at an

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evangelical assembly, and Billy Graham
sponsored it.

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It says, The Local Roman Catholic
Charismatic Renewal Office.

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Charismatic Renewal Office?

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Roman Catholic Charismatic Renewal Office?

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You mean Roman Catholics are saved because
they speak in tongues too?

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Well, Roman Catholicism must be God's
religion then, right Mom?

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Sorry to be disrespectful to my mother,
but charismatism is not a sign of the Holy

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Spirit.

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The Local Catholic Charismatic Renewal
Office announced that the crusade would,

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quote, provide opportunities for Catholics
who attend to be reconnected to their

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parishes via Catholic Bible study,
unquote.

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Catholic Bible study?

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If they studied the Bible, they would
recognize, as did the Protestant

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Reformers, the Roman Catholic Church is
the synagogue of Satan, and the Pope is

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the man of sin, the son of perdition.

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Why would any evangelical study the
scriptures with Roman Catholics,

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who obviously are deceived, who have
obviously twisted the scriptures,

40:16.510 --> 40:20.790
who obviously, whether they speak in
tongues or not, do not possess the Holy

40:20.790 --> 40:25.290
Spirit, and cannot interpret the
scriptures, cannot know the scriptures.

40:26.050 --> 40:32.230
The 1991 St. Louis Crusade was sponsored
by the St. Louis Archdiocese, and involved

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300 to 400 parish volunteers.

40:34.610 --> 40:40.570
Upon receiving an honorary doctorate at
Belmont Abbey, a Jesuit college,

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a Jesuit college, Billy Graham said,
quote, the gospel that built this school,

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and the gospel that brings me here
tonight, is still the way of salvation,

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unquote.

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Did anybody ever tell you that brother
Billy Graham received an honorary

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doctorate from a Jesuit university?

41:06.250 --> 41:13.850
Do you know that Jesuit universities don't
hand out honorary doctorates, unless the

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recipient of those doctorates have
benefited in a signal way, the Roman

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Catholic Church?

41:23.210 --> 41:26.210
I've said this privately among friends.

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I'm coming out publicly with it now.

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I believe that after Billy Graham dies,
some hierarch of the Roman Catholic Church

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in the United States is going to suggest
to the Vatican that Billy Graham be the

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first evangelical beatified and canonized
in the Roman Catholic Church as a saint.

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I'm not a prophet.

41:48.810 --> 41:49.890
I'm speculating.

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But based on what I've seen in the career
of Billy Graham, and the incalculable

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benefit that he's brought to the Roman
Catholic Church, the Roman Catholic Church

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owes it to Billy Graham to put him through
the beatification process.

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To mark him for what he was.

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A wolf in sheep's clothing.

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A wolf in sheep's clothing.

42:12.370 --> 42:18.530
Satan is transformed into an angel of
light, and so are his ministers

42:18.530 --> 42:22.190
transformed into ministers of
righteousness.

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Billy Graham did not work for Christ.

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He worked for Antichrist.

42:29.430 --> 42:35.910
He said, the gospel that built this Jesuit
school, and the gospel that brings me here

42:35.910 --> 42:40.470
tonight to this Jesuit school,
is still the way of salvation.

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Still, it seems to me the way of salvation
preceded the Roman Catholic Church and the

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Jesuit order.

42:48.470 --> 42:51.610
The way of salvation was Jesus Christ and
him alone.

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Certainly, both those who were martyred
and those who consigned them to the flames

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were convinced there was a great
difference between Roman Catholic and

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Protestant views of salvation.

43:05.490 --> 43:07.710
There is a great difference.

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They are mutually exclusive, and neither
can be reformed.

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No compromise can be made to the gospel,
the true gospel of Jesus Christ.

43:19.850 --> 43:27.150
It will prevail even against the gates of
hell, and the gates of hell is the Roman

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Catholic Church.

43:28.070 --> 43:33.870
Charles Dulia, a Jesuit and Vatican
official, assures Catholics attending

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Graham's crusades, A Catholic will hear no
slighting of his church teaching or

43:40.910 --> 43:47.490
authority, nor of papal or episcopal
prerogatives, no word against the mass or

43:47.490 --> 43:49.550
the sacraments or Catholic practice.

43:50.750 --> 43:54.810
That's what they said of Billy Graham's
crusades.

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The Roman Catholic Church will not be
slighted, neither will its teachings,

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neither will its sacraments.

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Billy Graham was no Protestant.

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He says in parenthesis here, yet the Pope
and his apologists denounce fundamentalism

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and the evangelical gospel.

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The Vatican has financed construction of
the most powerful radio transmitter in

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South America to be used specifically to
combat evangelicals.

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Rome hasn't changed, not one whit.

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Other evangelicals have adopted the same
stance toward Rome.

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A Southern California newspaper recently
noted, Puerto Rican-born evangelist Dr.

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Raimundo Jimenez is back on television in
Los Angeles with a unique multilingual

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gospel outreach to both Spanish and
English-speaking communities of this huge

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area of some 17 million people.

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The broadcaster says that he realizes that
most Hispanics are nominally Roman

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Catholic.

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Quote, in fact, in Southern California,
about 6 million Hispanics, there are said

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to be less than 200,000, that's only 3%,
evangelicals, unquote, said Jimenez.

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Quote, however, we do not allow any
attacks on the Roman Catholic Church.

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We just present the positive gospel of
Jesus Christ, unquote.

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The positive gospel of Jesus Christ?

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You know what the positive gospel of Jesus
Christ is?

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Salvation by faith alone.

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By grace alone, by Jesus Christ alone,
and by the scriptures alone.

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Roman Catholicism teaches a work
salvation.

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And it replaces Christ with Antichrist,
the Pope of Rome.

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It replaces the Holy Spirit with Mary and
the saints.

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It replaces the gospel of Jesus Christ
with another gospel.

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Catholicism is a counterfeit Christianity,
which in some respects so closely

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resembles the truth that unless a clear
distinction is made, one presents the

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positive gospel of Jesus Christ in vain.

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A major problem is that while Catholics
believe so much of the gospel,

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they also believe much that has been
added, which destroys the gospel.

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Paul, quote, disputed in the synagogue
with the Jews and with devout persons and

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in the market daily with them that met
with him, unquote.

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Acts chapter 17, verse 17.

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Where's the contention between the
followers of Paul, the followers of Jesus

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Christ, with the synagogue of Satan today?

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Jesus firmly corrected the rabbis and
those deluded by them in his day.

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Shouldn't we do the same?

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It's no kindness to Catholics to leave
them doomed in their error.

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So we go back to the scripture.

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What is love?

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Love is to tell the truth.

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Do we have the courage?

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Do we have the compassion for the lost?

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Then we should tell the truth and expose
the error and with grace suffer the

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consequences.

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Just like all Protestant reformers of
previous generations.

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Under the subtitle, more than a
misunderstanding, Dave says, Even worse

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than not pointing out Roman Catholicism's
errors candidly and with love is accepting

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Catholics as Christians and denying that
they need the gospel at all.

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Such is the grievous error of the joint
declaration to which we referred at the

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opening of this book titled, Evangelicals
and Catholics Together, the Christian

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Mission of the Third Millennium.

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That historic document, signed by
evangelical leaders, implies that the

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reformers must have been deluded.

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That all active Catholics then,
as presumed today, were saved,

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but just didn't know it.

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And that Rome's gospel of
transubstantiation, sacramental rituals,

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prayers to the saints, good works,
indulgences, and purgatory saved souls.

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If that is true, then the martyrs
mistakenly opposed a gospel they were

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convinced came from hell, but which were
and are now assured is actually from

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heaven.

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The tens of millions of Catholics who
since the reformation have received Christ

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by faith alone, and left the Roman
Catholic Church, have also been deceived

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according to them.

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The whole evangelical church of today is
totally deluded about what it means to be

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a Christian.

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Rome has been correct all along,
and we must join her in evangelism.

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Yet even Catholic apologist Peter Kreeft
admits, listen to this Roman Catholic

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priest, quote, over the past 25 years I've
asked hundreds of Roman Catholic college

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students the question, if you should die
tonight, and God asks you why he should

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let you into heaven, what would you say?

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The vast majority of them simply do not
know the right answer to this.

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The most important of all questions,
the very essence of Christianity.

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They usually do not even mention Jesus.

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Unquote.

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What does that say of Roman Catholicism?

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Here we have an admission that the
Catholic Church does not teach salvation

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by grace through faith in such a manner
that most Catholics understand it.

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Luther, Calvin, and the other reformers
did not come to know the biblical gospel

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from their many years as devout Catholics.

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In fact, they claimed that Rome didn't
teach this truth, and they appealed to her

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to do so.

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Her answer?

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No.

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In the same book, Kreeft claims that Rome
has always taught and still teaches the

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true gospel, and that the Reformation was
based upon an unfortunate

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misunderstanding.

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Yet that misunderstanding, by his own
admission, persists to this day in the

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minds of intelligent Roman Catholic
college students who have grown up in the

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Roman Catholic Church.

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Why?

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Because it's not a misunderstanding.

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Rome has added to justification by faith a
complex system of religion by which

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Catholics embrace a false gospel and a
false Jesus.

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This is the very perversion of the gospel
that Paul cursed in Galatians chapter 1,

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verse 6-9.

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That's all I have for Inquisition Update
this week.

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Please, if you have questions,
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at cwaves.us.

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