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Well,

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Bob Trev, what a blessing it is to have
you here again for Jesuit Agenda 2.

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You know, our first program on the Jesuit
Agenda for the Seventh-day Adventist

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Church has made such a profound effect on
our Adventist people.

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Are you aware of the fact that we have now
sent out over 1,000 sets of Jesuit Agenda?

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We have another stack of orders for two or
three hundred down in the mail room that

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they are trying to get out now.

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What an impact that this has made upon
God's historic Adventist people.

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Thank you so much for what God has shown
you and for sharing it with us.

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We are anxious to hear what you have to
say for us again today.

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Bob, we are just praising the Lord as many
hundreds and thousands of Adventists

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across the nation and around the world
are, that you have the courage to stand up

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and to show God's people what is really
taking place in our beloved church.

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And before you get in to the latest that
you have found and the things that you

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were not able to bring out last time,
let's ask God's Holy Spirit to be with us.

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Would you pray today?

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Sure, Bob.

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Gracious Father in Heaven, how thankful we
are today for the wonderful gospel that

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you have committed to us.

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What peace and what joy and what gladness
it gives to us.

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We thank you for the worldview that you
have given to us in your Holy Word and for

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the unction and influence of the Holy
Spirit to guard us against error and to

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guide us in the track of truth.

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We pray for the outpouring of thy Holy
Spirit as we talk together today.

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May thy Spirit guide all of our thinking,
all of our acting.

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We pray for our beloved people,
for the people of God, for the remnant

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people, and for the people of the entire
earth.

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As each one is going to have to face the
challenge of standing for the right,

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for the truth, for the three angels'
messages in these last days.

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Bless us abundantly now as we speak
together and commune together and commune

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with thee is our prayer in Jesus' name.

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Amen.

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Well, Bob, when you were here before,
I asked you if you really understood what

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you were getting into when you affiliated
yourself with John Osborne and Prophecy

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Countdown and you said, well, I believe I
know what I'm getting myself into.

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Now, be honest with me this time.

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Did you have any idea that the response
from Jesuit Agenda would be as it has

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been?

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No, John, I sure didn't.

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I was just mentioning to my wife this
morning that when we taped the first time,

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I had the idea that the tape would go out
to the humble, faithful followers of the

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Lord around the world, but I had no idea
that it would have this kind of scrutiny

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that we're understanding that it's having.

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Bob, we know for a fact that there are
groups of Seventh-day Adventist ministers.

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The conferences are calling the ministers
together around the nation and even around

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the world and are showing this video to
the pastors.

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Now, we would love to believe that they
are being brought closer to the Lord and

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are being brought to a spirit of
repentance to see how we have been

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sidetracked by the sinister power of Rome
from the place that God has for us as a

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people.

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But unfortunately, we must face reality
and realize that they are probably just

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endeavoring to tear it apart and what they
can do to discredit us, keep us from

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producing any more of these videos.

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But we want to believe that they are being
brought closer to the Lord and are willing

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to get this thing back on track.

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I would like to deal with one thing,
Bob, that we have had some criticism

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about, and that is that we should not be
worrying about this Jesuit thing.

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That this is something that we are just
making a tempest in a teapot, that we

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should just keep our eyes on Jesus and
deal with the love of Jesus and we should

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not be worrying about all these things.

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What do you have to say about that?

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Do you think that we are making a tempest
in a teapot for no reason, Bob?

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John, this is such a large issue,
I have to almost laugh when you say that,

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because it is evidence par excellence of
the success that Rome has had.

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For hundreds of years, that kind of a
question being raised in Protestant

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circles would have caused the people to
raise their eyebrows about the background

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and the world view of the person asking
the question.

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But what has happened in America in the
last generation is absolutely phenomenal,

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and I hope we have time today to look at
that.

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We have quotation after quotation from the
spirit of prophecy on this subject,

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and I think we ought to look at some of
those, don't you, John?

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Yes, we do.

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But before we begin, and let's lay a firm
foundation, I'd like to just say in

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general that the three angels' messages
are wrapped up with this question.

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The last half of the book of Revelation is
preoccupied with this question of

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overcoming the image of the beast,
the beast's power itself, the mark of the

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beast, the number of his name,
some six times that is mentioned in the

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last half of the book of Revelation.

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Well, Bob, I would just like to say to all
those that have called or written in and

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complained because they thought that we
were somehow wasting our time in getting

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off of preaching the three angels' message
by worrying about the Jesuits,

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once again, if our people were just
reading and studying, Bob, they wouldn't

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be saying things like this.

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Let me read to you something from
Testimonies to Ministers, page 118.

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It starts on 117 and goes to 118.

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Let me read it.

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As we near the close of time, isn't that
where we are?

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There will be greater and still greater
external parade of heathen power.

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Heathen deities will manifest their signal
power and will exhibit themselves before

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the cities of the world.

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And this delineation has already begun to
be fulfilled by a variety of images the

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Lord Jesus represented to John,
the wicked character and seductive

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influence of those who have been
distinguished for their persecution of

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God's people.

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Now, who are those that have been
distinguished for the persecution of God's

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people?

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Rome.

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That's Rome, of course.

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All need wisdom carefully to search out
the mystery of iniquity that figures so

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largely in the winding up of this earth's
history.

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In the very time in which we live,
the Lord has called His people and has

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given them a message to bear.

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He has called them to expose the
wickedness of the man of sin who has made

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the Sunday law a distinctive power,
who has sought to change times and laws,

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and to oppress the people of God who stand
firmly to honor Him by keeping the only

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true Sabbath, the Sabbath of creation,
as holy unto the Lord.

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The perils of the last days are upon us,
and in our work we are to warn the people

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of the danger they are in.

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Let not the solemn scenes which prophecy
has revealed be left untouched.

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If our people were half awake,
if they realized the nearness of the

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events portrayed in the revelation,
a reformation would be wrought in our

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churches, and many would believe the
message.

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We have no time to lose.

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God calls upon us to watch for souls as
they must give an account, advance new

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principles, and crowd in the clear cut
truth." That is so clear.

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How can anyone say, who is watching this
video or hearing that we are dealing with

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this topic, say that this subject is not
important, Bob?

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I mean, obviously our people aren't
reading and studying, or they wouldn't be

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thinking and saying that.

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That's right, John.

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You know, the historian Arnold Toynbee
commented that the coming together of

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Christianity and Buddhism would prove to
be the most important event of the 20th

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century.

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At least that gives one man's idea about
this heathen parade that Ellen White talks

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about.

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And we have a whole chapter.

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Of course, much of the book Great
Controversy is devoted to the conflict

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with Rome.

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That's why our people should be reading
it!

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Almost all of it.

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And one chapter in particular that I'd
like to look at a few quotes from is the

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chapter Liberty of Conscience Threatened,
that's 563 and following.

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Very familiar with it.

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Ellen White addresses this very subject,
and she was grappling with it and speaking

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about it again and again in her day.

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She said, "...Romanism is now regarded by
Protestants with far greater favor than in

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former years.

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In those countries where Catholicism is
not in the ascendancy, and the Papists are

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taking a conciliatory course in order to
gain influence, there is an increasing

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indifference concerning the doctrines that
separate the Reformed churches from the

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Papal hierarchy." I'd like to just comment
on that for a minute, John, because in our

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generation we have seen the most radical
shift of all.

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In the 1950s, when the government wanted
to send an ambassador to the Vatican,

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there was an outcry from 8,000 pastors
across the denominational boundaries,

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a cry of outrage, and the government had
to back off.

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But look what's happened in our day.

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Ronald Reagan's day, St. Wilson,
right over there.

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And look at the recent Time article,
maybe we can look at that.

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Oh, February 24?

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Yes.

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Yes, we need to look at that right now.

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And I'm sure that many of our people have
already seen this, you know, talking about

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the Holy Alliance.

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Well, I call it an unholy alliance,
but it shows how that our government,

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during the Reagan administration,
conspired so successfully with the Vatican

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to topple communism.

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A most unbelievable article, and we'll
include a reprint of this in our

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documentation packet with Jesuit Agenda 2.

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Yes, I want to spend some time,
if possible, the Lord willing,

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John, if we can, a little later on,
explore what is behind a lot of what came

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out in that article, with the CIA,
the labor unions, the AFL-CIO,

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the Vatican connection, and the director
of the CIA during that period.

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The amazing thing about all this,
Bob, is right when the Jesuit Agenda,

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our first tape, was going across the
nation and around the world, by the

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hundreds and by the thousands,
that is when this article appeared on the

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cover of Time magazine, and it was almost
like God was just shaking our people,

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saying, Look!

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This stuff that you're hearing is the
truth!

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Wake up!

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Wake up!

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Wake up!

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That's absolutely true, John.

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I have been amazed at this over and over
again.

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We got a call at this very time frame that
you're speaking of, from a friend who told

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us that at that very hour, the news on CNN
had proclaimed that the Argentine

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government had released papers connecting
the Vatican with the Nazis, and exposing

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the escape routes, the process of helping
the Nazi war criminals escape at the end

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of the Second World War, and they had just
released these papers to the Simon

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Wiesenthal Center in Los Angeles.

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That very week?

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Yes, I called the Wiesenthal Center up,
and they were having a press conference at

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that very hour.

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It's interesting that only CNN carried it,
as far as I know.

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Because Ted Turner is a maverick,
he's not afraid to deal with these hard

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issues.

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And we want to look at that a little later
too, John, because the whole media and

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educational effort of our country is being
shaped by forces that are all tied in with

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what we're discussing here.

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And under the third angel's message,
the inroads of spiritualism and the rapid

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and stealthy progress of the papal power
will be exposed, according to great

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controversy.

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God's timing is so perfect.

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The fact that all of this would come out
in the news, in front of the magazines,

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and in television, on CNN, the very time
when the tapes of Jesuit Agenda were going

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around the world.

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I mean, it's just like God was vindicating
everything that was being said from this

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taping studio, Bob.

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John, there's an absolutely fascinating
book, if you'd like me to show it,

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because it discusses the same tie-in that
we've just been discussing between the

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Vatican and Nazism.

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This is a story of young Frank
Brandenburg, here, who was a student in

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high school.

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In 1979, he saw the picture of the
Holocaust, and he didn't think it was

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true.

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He had never... can you imagine a young
German student, who didn't know what the

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Holocaust was?

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Well, Bob, I've got, you know,
I'm sorry, but I find that very

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believable.

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Because, you see, the German people did
not want to admit what their leadership

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were doing.

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And that's exactly the situation that we
are in, in the Seventh-day Adventist

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Church today.

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We do not want to admit what is really
going on.

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We do not want to admit, and accept the
fact that what is really taking place.

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And we go into a denial mode, that this is
happening.

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And this is what the German people did.

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And it's what the Adventist people are
doing today.

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We deny that this is happening.

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Well, this Frank Brandenburg, then,
he went to his teachers.

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He went to his parents.

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He went to his local politicians,
to try to find out, did this actually

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happen?

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Or is this just a fiction?

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And none of them could help him.

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So, he decided to go on a quest.

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And for seven years, he interviewed living
men who had still been involved... who

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were men who were still alive,
who were Nazis, who had been involved with

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Hitler, at the highest echelons of the
Nazi movement.

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And he discovered, very fascinatingly
here, how the Vatican arranged for escape

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routes across the Alps, at the end of the
war, to help the Nazi war criminals escape

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through the monasteries, through the papal
prefectures, and eventually down to Latin

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America, pre-eminently.

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If I could get another book here,
the liberal author, Catholic author,

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Penny Larneau, in her book, The People of
God, The Struggle for World Catholicism,

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tells of how not only was the Vatican
involved with the Nazis in accomplishing

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this, but they were all tied in with the
OSS, the forerunner of the CIA.

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But, you see, I'm just stepping back,
looking at all this, Bob, and I'm

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realizing here, almost 50 years,
you know, for 50 years, this has been kept

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secret.

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And all of a sudden, God is allowing all
of these things to be documented,

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about how the Roman papacy worked together
with Nazi Germany, working together with

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the governments, and it's all now being
exposed.

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God is trying to wake up our people.

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God is trying to wake up the world to what
is going on.

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I see you're about to go out and get
another book.

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But it's amazing how that all of these
things are coming out right now,

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it seems, at the same time.

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It's now that God's people are to wake up
and proclaim this truth to the world.

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Expose the man of sin, Bob!

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That's right.

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This book is a book written by an eminent
scholar.

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Theologians Under Hitler is the title of
it.

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And in this book, he discusses Gerhard
Kittel, and any fellow who's been to the

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seminary knows about Gerhard Kittel,
and Paul Althaus, and Immanuel Hirsch,

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Protestant theologians who went along with
Hitler.

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And here is a book, A Requiem for Hitler,
by Klaus Scholder, and he tells of how at

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the end of the war, as the news of Adolf
Hitler's death was circulated,

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Cardinal Bertram of Breslau, the senior
German prelate, drafted an order for a

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requiem mass to be said for Hitler
throughout his churches.

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So the Catholic Church had a requiem mass
for Hitler when they found out that he had

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died.

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And their official support was with him
through the entire war.

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There were a few individual Catholics that
resisted, but the official stance of the

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Roman Catholic Church was support.

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And they had a concordat, of course,
with Hitler, as they did with Franco and

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Mussolini, the three Catholic dictators in
Europe.

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I still can't help but see how God's hand
is in all this, because this has been kept

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secret all these years, and it's just now
coming out.

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And it seems to all be coming out at the
same time.

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It seems that God is saying that now is
the time to expose the man of sin to the

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world.

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And yet, what is our denominational
leadership doing?

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We're headed towards Rome!

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We are making friends with Rome,
calling them to address all the delegates

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at the General Conference session and
joining the World Council of Churches.

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And we're getting so friendly with Rome
when God is obviously showing that now is

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the time that we are to be exposing the
man of sin to the world.

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That's exactly right, John.

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In fact, some of the things that are
happening are absolutely shocking.

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For instance, I was reading in the
Eucharist section of this Baptism,

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Eucharist and Ministry document.

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And in the main text of this Eucharist
section, in this document, the real

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presence is referred to repeatedly.

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For those people who may be watching
Jesuit Agenda 2 and haven't seen the first

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one, this is the document that we went
over in Jesuit Agenda, the first tape,

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about what was the Lima, Peru,
1982, that was signed by Seventh Adventist

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with the world and printed by the World
Council of Churches.

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Voted for and adopted, as they put it.

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I found with the World Council of Churches
you have to be careful to almost use the

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precise words that they use because
everything is so tentative with them.

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The words and acts of Christ at the
institution of the Eucharist stand at the

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heart of the celebration.

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The Eucharistic meal is the sacrament of
the body and blood of Christ, the

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sacrament of His real presence.

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Now, this question of the real presence
was an enormous question, John,

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in the Protestant Reformation for years.

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In fact, I have Fox's Acts and Monuments,
an eight-volume set by John Fox,

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the one who wrote Fox's Book of Martyrs.

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And each volume is 750 to 1,000 pages long
of fine print.

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And there is page after page of the
disputations between the Protestant

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defenders of the faith and those
interested in maintaining the real

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presence.

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The real presence, of course, is the idea
that Jesus Himself is there personally

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present in the Eucharist, the consecrated
host in the Eucharistic service of the

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Roman Catholic Church.

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And the Roman Catholic Church has a great
burden to have this accepted by the world

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because to them it is the basis of unity,
a unity that will lead into the acceptance

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of the chief celebration of Rome,
Sunday celebration.

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So right here in the main text we find the
real presence referred to.

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And men gave their lives, hundreds and
thousands gave their lives to oppose the

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real presence.

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Over here on the next page, page 13 of
this document, it refers to the real

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presence of the crucified and risen
Christ, giving His life for all humanity.

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And recently in a article in the Review,
the author of the article stated that the

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World Council of Churches' accentuation of
the Eucharist fits into the ambit of the

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three angels' messages.

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So we have the official organ of the
Seventh-day Adventist Church, the

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Adventist Review, one of the editors of
the Adventist Review, saying, I believe it

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was Roy Adams, that the Eucharist is part
of the three angels' message.

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That it fits into the ambit, the circle,
and orbit, and message of the three

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angels' messages.

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You know, this is an editor of the
Adventist Review in the official magazine

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of our church, saying, using these type of
Catholic terms, saying that somehow it

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ties together with the three angels'
message.

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And yet, Bob, our people read that type of
stuff in the Review, and it never dawns on

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them what's being said.

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It never even hits them what is really
being promoted right there in our church

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magazine.

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What is astounding to me, John,
also, is that a minister can state that he

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hypnotizes the people every Sabbath in
service.

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And here you have men who have served in
the General Conference, you have men who

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have served at every level of the church,
dignitaries of the church, at the

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University of Church going, and they keep
on attending the service.

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Not only do they keep on attending the
service, and not only is this man still

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the senior pastor of the Loma Linda
University Church, but Bill Lovelace now

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goes to Andrews University and teaches our
ministers.

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Tell us about the stuff that you've
uncovered there, Bob.

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Well, I understand he's been there now for
two quarters, about a week each time,

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at least the first time it was a week,
and he taught a colloquium.

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Now... Isn't that a Catholic term?

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Yes, I suppose it is certainly a Latin
term.

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And there's much more to it than just
this, John, because eight miles from the

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seminary there is a retreat center called
Still Waters.

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And the lady who runs it, Mrs. Kuhlman,
had a Catholic mentor who trained her how

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to do what she's doing now.

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And the seminary students are going there
for training in spiritual formation,

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spiritual directorship.

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They are trained in prayer imaging,
we understand from the reports of students

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who have been there.

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They call some of it spiritual mentoring.

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You have a spiritual mentor, which
incidentally fits in exactly with what we

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reported on in Freedom's Ring in the May
issue, which dealt with how even in the

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Protestant churches now there is the idea
that you have to have a spiritual

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shepherd.

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It's called spiritual shepherding,
and you have to be underneath the

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mentorship of another person who is your
spiritual superior.

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In fact, when Jimmy Baker got into the
trouble that he got into, one of the

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leaders of this movement, which is
incidentally a cell group movement also,

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it's called the Shepherding Cell Group
Movement, said that if Jimmy Baker had had

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a spiritual shepherd, he wouldn't have
fallen into that.

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But it's the same concept as what we find
in the Roman Catholic Church of the

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relationship between the priest and the
person in the confessional.

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In fact, this spiritual mentoring and this
spiritual formation reminds me precisely

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of the spiritual exercises of the Jesuits.

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And this director of the Still Waters
tells the students that they need to be

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under the spiritual mentorship of someone
who is their spiritual superior,

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and it doesn't matter what denomination
that person belongs to.

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But I'm hearing reports, Bob, of our
Seventh-day Adventist Churches having some

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type of these cell groups where they put
an empty chair in the middle of the...

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what...

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Right.

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We had a lady write to us about that.

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In one church there was... at prayer
meeting they formed a circle.

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They sat in a circle, and in the center of
the circle there was an empty chair

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placed, and everyone was supposed to
visualize a person sitting on that chair

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confessing their sins.

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The Adventist confessional.

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Right out of Roman Catholicism.

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You know, the more I look at NLP,
the listening skills that are supposedly

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being taught there are parallel very
closely with what I read when I read the

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spiritual exercises, the 18th and 19th
annotations, which I have here.

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But these are not little individual
isolated incidences, Bob.

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This is going on across the nation around
the world in our churches because our

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pastors are being trained in this stuff by
guys like Bill Loveless.

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They're being trained at our Adventist
Theological Seminary in Andrews at this

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Still Waters, which is eight miles away,
which is endorsed by Andrews.

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Our theological students go there.

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They're learning all of these things that
we just talked about on our last Jesuit

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Agenda, but yet our people are just
dumbfounded.

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They can't believe this stuff is going on,
Bob.

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Let me get a book here, John.

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Bob, I'm going to ask you a question.

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I'm probably going to bust this whole
thing wide open right here, but I'm just

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going to burn it out.

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Is there any chance of us saving our
church?

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Has it gone too far, Bob?

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Is there any way that we can get our
denomination back, or is it forever gone?

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Well, God only knows that, John,
of course, and we always want to hold out

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the highest hope like God did for ancient
Israel.

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On the other hand, God was realistic,
and He gave prophecies, for instance,

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in Psalms 22, describing the very way
Jesus would die, the Messiah.

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And yet at the same time, the option was
always held open for the people to come

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back to the Lord and experience the
highest blessings available.

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For instance, in Ezekiel's day,
you know, the last few chapters there,

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the temple that would have been built and
how Jerusalem would have been the center

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of the worship of the whole world.

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God always wanted to have the ultimate for
His people, and He always regarded their

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free will and held that option out for
them.

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And I feel it's important that we do that,
too.

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And yet God is realistic, and we must be
realistic also.

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We must realize that things have
progressed to an enormous state now,

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and I don't think we've seen anything yet,
the likes of what we're going to see when

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this spate of ministers comes out that has
been trained in the very techniques that

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the Jesuits use in their spiritual
exercises.

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John, I have here the training manual,
the current training manual from 1989 from

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the Institute of Jesuit Sources.

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It's called Choosing Christ in the World.

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Doesn't that sound like a good title?

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Oh, it sounds wonderful, pious.

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Directing the Spiritual Exercises of St.
Ignatius Loyola, according to Annotations

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18 and 19.

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I will say, John, that some of these are
absolutely dangerous books.

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It scares me to even research them.

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But I have had so many people who are
being taken in by this factor or that

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factor that I have felt that there was a
necessity.

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Because Ellen White says that unless we
closely investigate Satan's devices,

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we will be deceived.

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And I believe that God has specifically
called you to do that.

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You know, we show these books on the
screen and everything, and you tell the

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people the things that you have found in
them, and give the page numbers and

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everything so that it can be verified.

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But Bob, the thoughts of having our people
go out and buy some of these books,

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some of these books are evil, Bob.

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They are evil, and they are especially
evil because the track runs so close to

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the truth.

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And the more I'm investigating these
spiritual exercises here, the more deeply

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concerned I am.

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Because there is another spirit that
attends them.

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There is another worldview that attends
them.

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But when I look around and I see that same
worldview has taken hold of almost all of

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our church.

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In our church, yes.

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For instance, here is the Constitutions of
the Society of Jesus by Saint Ignatius of

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Loyola, the founder of the Jesuits.

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When you read about the worldview,
the Ignatian worldview, which the Jesuits

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are interested in promoting, and you let
them put their own best foot forward,

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so to speak, which they would do when they
were infiltrating a church.

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Well, of course.

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What do they want?

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They speak of doing all things for the
glory of God.

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Sounds good.

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They speak of doing service for humanity,
of having distinguished service for

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Christ, and of being loyal members of the
church.

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Oh, have we heard that.

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And obedient to the hierarchy.

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Leadership, absolutely.

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Cadaver obedience.

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Blind obedience is the kind of idea.

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Whatever they say, don't question it.

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They are the leaders of the church,
commissioned of God, and we are just to do

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whatever they say, and to follow them
wherever they lead us.

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Yes.

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In fact, in this book, it tells us that
the spiritual exercises are regarded as

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the weapon of the order.

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The weapon of the order.

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And these spiritual exercises,
you might liken to the tip of the spear of

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the Roman Catholic Church, because the
Jesuits are the strategists, the military

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strategists, that plan the strategy years
in advance.

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There is... let me quickly jump up and get
another book here, John.

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There is a concept in the Roman Catholic
Church which is called Romanitas.

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This very colorful book that just came out
on the Vatican speaks of this right at the

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very beginning.

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Romanitas is the idea that Rome takes the
long view.

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Rome takes the view of looking a hundred
years, say, or in the future, or hundreds

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of years in the past.

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Of course.

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The Italian word for this viewpoint,
a young seminarian has told me,

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that's a seminarian at the Vatican,
is Romanita, the Roman way of looking at

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centuries instead of soundbites.

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And so, it's just like what Ellen White
says here in Great Controversy.

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She says, the Roman Church is far-reaching
in her plans and modes of operations.

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John, we have been absolutely asleep in
our church about the far-reaching devices

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of Rome.

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And the more I'm uncovering, the more
shocked and astounded I am, and the more I

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realize that we're all just scratching the
surface of something that is absolutely

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enormous here.

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But in this... with reference to what is
happening now in our churches as this

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prayer imaging is taking hold.

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The prayer imaging is right out of the
Jesuit thinking.

31:53.050 --> 31:58.170
This prayer imaging is an old occult
technique of visualization.

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Here is something right out of Dave Hunt's
paper.

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He says, it is being taught in the church.

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And he's talking about the churches across
the board.

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We're getting involved in things that are
happening across the board in the

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churches.

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But it's taking all Protestant churches.

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A massive occult revival in the world,
which the book of Revelation told us in

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chapter 16 would happen with the dragon,
spiritualism, the beast, the papacy,

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and the false prophet of apostate
Protestant.

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Incidentally, the false prophet always
promised the people salvation in sin

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rather than from sin.

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That's what we're doing in the Seventh-day
Adventist church.

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Exactly what's happening with the new
theology.

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Telling people they're going to be saved
in their sins rather than from their sins.

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It is being taught in the church that the
best way to get to know God is to

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visualize Christ, who is God manifest in
the flesh.

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Visualization is the most powerful occult
technique.

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Visualizing an entity, even God or Christ,
puts one in touch with a masquerading

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demon.

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Now this is exactly...

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A masquerading demon.

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That is exactly what the man who has...

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That means a demon that appears as an
angel of light.

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And you see, our people are being deceived
because they believe that this is an angel

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of light that is bringing us all of this
new methods of evangelism in the

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Seventh-day Adventist church.

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And it is a demon spirit masquerading as
an angel of light.

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That's exactly what Will Barron said here
in Deceived by the New Age.

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He tells us of this experience of,
quote, Christian meditation by Kelsey,

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who is the author of this Companions on
the Inner Way.

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Well, I tell you, I've got to ask our
people to pray for you.

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We need to be praying for Bob Trebs.

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He is wading through these books,
and we need to pray that God will send

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angels of excellent strength to be around
this man as he wades through this maze

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of...

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I mean, these are evil books.

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I can just tell by looking at them that
some of these books, you know,

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written by the Jesuits, that these are
demonic and that you have to wade through.

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And we need to be praying for Bob that God
will send angels of excellent strength to

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guard his mind, because God has called him
to do this research, and we need to really

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be lifting him up in prayer as he goes
through this, that God will be able to

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keep his senses clear and his eyes on the
Holy Spirit and on the truth.

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Well, I really appreciate that,
John, because I have been more deeply

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impressed of the need for that than ever
before.

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You told us in the last video that
sometimes you just have to get away from

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this stuff.

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That it is so evil, and you just have to
go and commune with the Lord to get your

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mind back in track with the Lord,
because, you know, you can't stay immersed

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in this stuff for very long.

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No, no.

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No, in fact, it's a call to study ever
more closely the truth.

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Amen.

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We must expose the error.

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We are called to do that, but we must
always study the truth more intently.

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Amen.

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At any rate, Bill Wilbarron, in Deceived
by the New Age, page 203, describes this

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kind of visualization.

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He tells of how when the Lighted Way
became a counterfeit Christian group,

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our occult meditation ritual was
abandoned, and instead we practiced a

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meditation with imagery appearing to be
quite Christian.

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For example, we simply visualized warm
sunlight shining upon us as we imaged

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ourselves seated in a beautiful garden.

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Our instructions began, Invite Jesus
Christ into your garden.

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He is your protector from evil influences.

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Talk to Him.

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Speak to Him of your needs.

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Ask Him anything your heart desires.

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At the end of the meditation, we are
encouraged to pray the Lord's Prayer,

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or alternatively, these words,
Father, I am your child.

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My name was written in the Book of Life
before the foundations of the world were

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laid.

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Thank you, Father, in Jesus' name.

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Amen.

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This is exactly what Bill Loveless is
teaching our ministers at the Theological

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Seminary at Andrews, exactly what he is
teaching his congregation.

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He openly admitted that he hypnotizes his
congregation, and yet our leadership keep

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him in and promote him.

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This ritual was very deceptive.

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The average Christian would probably find
nothing seriously objectionable about the

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phrases used.

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You know, John, unless we are so in touch
with the Holy Spirit, walking so closely

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in the spirit of the three angels'
messages, and in the world view of the

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three angels' messages, we are going to be
deceived.

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We mentioned a couple of minutes ago about
the Ignatian world view.

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That's the world view of the founder of
the Jesuits.

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We now, I understand, are sending student
missionaries over to work with Mother

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Teresa in India.

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No, wait, just say that a little slower.

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We, you're talking about the Seventh
Adventist Church?

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From one of our colleges.

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That our colleges are sending our students
as student missionaries over to work with

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Mother Teresa?

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Yes.

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Do you see how much this world view of
Catholicism has infiltrated the

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Seventh-day Adventist Church?

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If we, John, don't go any further than
giving glory to God, service to humanity,

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being loyal members of the Church,
and obedient to the hierarchy,

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if we go no further than that in our quest
for truth, we're in Babylon.

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We're lost.

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Absolutely in Babylon.

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We're not really coming to grips...

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That is Babylon.

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We're not coming to grips with the three
angels' messages, with the world view of

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Scripture.

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The world view of Scripture, John,
I just can't get excited enough about it,

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because it's all right here.

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Amen.

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The world view of Scripture.

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Amen.

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Man shall live by every word that proceeds
out of the mouth of God.

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Yes.

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And the spirit of prophecy being the true
gift of prophecy is part of that world

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view.

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And we have to live in that world view,
or we're going to be taken over by another

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world view.

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You see, the struggle in the Church is not
just theological, and it's not just

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liturgical, the format of the Church
service.

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It is a struggle with a conditioning
process that is trying to get us to adopt

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a new world view.

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Yes.

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The Ignatian world view.

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That's exactly what's happening.

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The world view of the Jesuit order.

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Did you ever think you would see
Seventh-day Adventist people saying and

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believing and doing the things they're
saying and believing and doing today?

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I can't believe it.

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I'm in total shock sometimes at the things
I see being promoted by, quote,

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Seventh-day Adventists.

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It is totally a Babylonian concept of
ecumenicalism and the Protestant

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Reformation in reverse and reaching the
hand of Christ and clasping the hand of

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the Roman power.

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I mean, sometimes I am in total shock.

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I can't believe this is happening to my
church.

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John, when we look at the tip of the
spear, these spiritual exercises,

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they are designed to get right into the
core of a person's communion with God and

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to divert it and to change it.

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That's why there's all this spiritual
mentorship, spiritual directorship,

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spiritual formation.

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But what did Jesus say?

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Call no man father.

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Call no man rabbi or master, indicating
that he has a control over your

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conscience.

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But what the Roman Catholic Church is
interested in doing in her writings is

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very clear, is to form and shape the
conscience in a certain way and make it a

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conscientious conviction to follow Rome.

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What did that conference president say to
that pastor that said he couldn't do

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something because it was against the
convictions of his conscience?

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He said, you're going to have to give up
your conscience and accept my conscience.

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That's what the conference president said
to that pastor.

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And we just received word yesterday of a
conference pastor who called us.

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And I want to tell you, Bob, that there
are pastors throughout this denomination

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that the leadership have no idea of,
that think they are loyal, faithful,

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conference men, but that are calling us
and saying, we believe in what you're

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doing.

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Praise the Lord.

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Keep preaching it.

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We're doing the work that we can inside
the organization, but we're supporting

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you.

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We want you to know that.

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But anyway, this man was just found out
and he was fired immediately.

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When they found out that he had anything
to do with an independent ministry and was

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sympathetic to us and supporting us with
his tithe, they fired him on the spot.

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Yes, I am convinced, John, that as the
issue extends within our own ranks and

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ultimately to the world field,
or the issue of the seal of God,

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a settling into the truth intellectually
and spiritually over against the mark of

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the beast, a settling into Babylon
intellectually and spiritually,

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as that issue extends, I'm seeing hundreds
and thousands of Adventists waking up.

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There is a latent reserve there.

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I believe it'll... I know from the spirit
of prophecy it'll always be a minority,

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but there is a lot more strength there,
I think, than is commonly realized.

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Amen, amen.

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Well, John, all they have done... you see,
like we said in the last video,

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what they don't realize is what they have
done is awakened a sleeping giant in the

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Adventist laity.

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The Adventist laity are waking up.

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And like what happened during the
Protestant Reformation, we're saying,

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no more.

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We're not going to put up with this
anymore.

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We're not going to just roll over and take
this stuff and get steamrolled by our

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ecclesiastical leaders.

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We are going to stand up for ourselves on
our own two spiritual feet.

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We're going to read and study for
ourselves.

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We're not going to resign our religion
over to our preachers.

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We're going to stand up and say,
enough.

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We are going to believe what we are going
to believe what is taught in the Bible and

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the spirit of prophecy, and we're not
going to let you do this to us anymore.

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There's going to be a mighty revival of
primitive godliness.

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Amen.

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And it's going to be mighty.

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It's going to be the mightiest such thing
ever seen.

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And you see, this is shaking our people to
their foundations, and it's forcing them

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to read and study for themselves.

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And if there's nothing more that our
videos do, it's to wake up our people that

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we can't resign our religion over to our
religious leaders.

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That's right.

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We've got to read and study for ourselves,
and I praise God for that.

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In fact, what you're just describing there
of resigning your religious experience

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over to your religious leader,
that's making him your spiritual mentor.

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That's exactly what they're trying to get
us to do.

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It's the same concept as Babylon has,
as Rome has.

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Now, here I have a letter from the
official stationery of the Seventh-day

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Adventist church in Nigeria, and this is
regarding independent ministries.

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Publications.

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Remember that we agreed that the
presidents were to alert the churches

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about the publications that have flooded
the fields which are not authorized by the

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General Conference Division and the Union.

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Now, this business of authorization is an
interesting one, John.

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In fact, let me grab another book.

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I have so many thoughts coursing through
my mind.

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Don't even get me started on this
authorization stuff.

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It just makes my blood go cold when I hear
about this, that everything happened to

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have the stamp of approval and the
authorization of the conference.

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That is so painful, Bob.

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But yet our people just go right along
with it and say, oh, well, this is not an

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authorized publication, or this isn't
authorized by our leadership, or this

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isn't authorized by the conference.

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Where did we get those concepts,
Bob, that everything has to be authorized

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by some type of ecclesiastical authority
before it's of God?

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Here's Law and Society.

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This is a textbook from a Jesuit
university on law and society and the

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function of law in society, how to mold
society, how to control society using law,

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how to shape society, and how to change
society.

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Very fascinating book.

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And here is page 165 under licensing.

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And this is under the general section of
administrative law and social control.

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The power of administrative law goes
beyond the setting of standards and the

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punishing of those who fail to comply.

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Horak notes, quote, the belief that law
enforcement is better achieved by

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prevention than by prosecution has
contributed to the emergence of

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administrative regulation as a primary
means of government control.

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Quoted by Summers and Howard, 1972.

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Requiring and granting licenses to perform
certain activities is a classic control

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device.

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Now, what are we seeing, John?

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You just read this stuff and it just
goes...

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The certification of lay pastors,
the certification of people to even give

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Bible studies now.

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And then involved in the training for the
certification is going through the

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listening skills, the calling and caring
lab.

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Everybody has to be licensed.

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Everybody has to be authorized.

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All that is, Bob, is just a way for them
to be controlled.

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That's right.

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Because you see, when people are licensed,
when people are credentialed, when people

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are authorized, then that gives the
examining power or the authorizing power

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the ability to control that person.

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And that gives the people who give the
license control of the people who get the

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license.

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That's all it is, is control.

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That's exactly right.

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At the end of this paragraph it says,
Underlying all regulatory licensing is a

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denial of a right to engage in the
contemplated activity except with a

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license.

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And so another interesting dimension to
this is John Milton.

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You remember the blind poet, the famous
blind poet in England?

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Here's his complete poems and major prose.

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And he has in here one of his most famous
writings, Areopagitica, a speech for the

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liberty of unlicensed printing to the
Parliament of England.

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He was in favor of unlicensed printing.

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And you know what is very interesting
here?

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The whole argument just rolls on here.

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At one point he speaks about the
bejesuitizing of things.

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The bejesuitizing.

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The bejesuitizing of things so that
everybody thinks everything has to be

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licensed.

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And he saw the track of the Jesuits in
that licensing of printing.

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You see, this concept that everything has
to be licensed and credentialed and

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authorized by the church leaders comes
right out of Jesuit thinking.

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Listen to this on page 748 of the complete
poems and major prose of John Milton.

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In the meanwhile, if anyone would write
and bring his helpful hand to the

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slow-moving Reformation which we labor
under, if truth have spoken to him before

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others, or but seemed at least to speak,
who hath so bejesuited us that we should

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trouble that man with asking license to do
so worthy a deed.

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He understood that this was a Jesuit
concept back in 1645, and here we are in

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1992 thinking that this is just a
wonderful way to keep dissidents out of

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the church.

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This is Jesuit theology, Bob!

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And John, what's interesting is,
let me read a little more from this letter

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from the Seventh-day Adventist Church in
Nigeria National Headquarters.

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We also agreed that you instruct the
churches to seek clearance with the

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mission or conference whenever they
received any strange publication by hand

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or by mail.

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It's talking about independent
publications.

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Then we agreed that any such strange
publications which are not cleared with

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the conference or mission as an authorized
publication should be disposed of

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immediately, preferably by burning.

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By burning!

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They tell the people to burn!

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That's what Hitler did!

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Well, what about the burning of Bibles?

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What about the burning of Luther's tracts
and books?

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And yet our leadership has the audacity to
tell our people today that when they get

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publications from independent ministries
that are authorized by the local

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conference that they are to burn them.

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And our people do it!

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Our people believe it!

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And they don't realize that this is right
out of Jesuit thought!

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Of course, it all was premised on another
Jesuit thought.

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And that is that if you want to be sure
you're right in anything, you must suspend

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your individual judgment and accept the
judgment of the church.

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And if the church says that black is
white, then black is white.

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That's right out of the rules for thinking
with the church and the spiritual

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exercises.

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I fear for our people, Bob.

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I fear for our people.

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Like lambs to the slaughter.

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Let me read a little more here.

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The summary of the letter.

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It lists various independent ministries
here.

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And then it says, Therefore, the long and
short of it is that all strange

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publications received by churches or
individual church members should be

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cleared with the mission conference
president who is linked between the local

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church and the higher organizations.

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Notice the hierarchical concept.

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Otherwise, such publications should be
burnt.

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Similarly, any strange person or group of
persons who approach any member or church

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should produce clearance from the local
mission conference president.

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I can't keep from laughing.

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I'm sorry.

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It's serious, but this is just... it's
unbelievable.

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But John, you know, the only reason you
can laugh...

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It's unbelievable.

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The only reason you can laugh is because
thousands of men shed their blood to give

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you the freedom to laugh about that in
America.

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Bob, I mean, you know, I guess it's a
nervous laugh.

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I'm not laughing because...

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I'm not condemning you for laughing.

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I know, but I want the people...

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It's not, you see, it's not a funny laugh.

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It's a nervous laugh.

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I am so overwhelmed that this is on
Seventh-day Adventist conference

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stationary telling our people how that
they must not even talk to anybody that

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doesn't have some type of a card from the
conference telling them that they are

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authorized by the conference, that they
are to have nothing to do with them,

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that they are to avoid them like the
plague, to burn their publications,

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to not listen to them.

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I mean, this is right out of the Dark
Ages, Bob.

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What about Jesus?

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Did he have such a card, John?

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Or John the Baptist?

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They were all independent ministries.

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You know good and well that they were,
Bob.

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They had nothing to do with the
denominational leadership with the

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conference there in Jerusalem.

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And yet our people don't seem to see that.

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Almost the whole Bible was written by
independent ministers.

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Here, let me read a little more here,
John.

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Similarly, any strange person or group of
persons who approach any member or church

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should produce clearance from the local
mission conference present.

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Otherwise, no church or member may have
any transaction with such persons.

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Well, John, you know, this is what
happened to John Bunyan.

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Yes.

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You remember in the 17th century,
John Bunyan was put in prison for 12 years

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because he was preaching without a
license.

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Yeah.

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And it's interesting that a Christian
attorney named Gibbs has put out a number

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of tapes in which he stresses this issue
that the power to license is the power to

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control.

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And he asked the question about what about
our churches and their teachers in

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submitting to the licensing of their
teachers in the schools?

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Will the next step be the licensing of
ministers?

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Let me tell you something.

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The conference uses credentials and
license.

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It is a political lever.

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It is a political club that they hold over
every pastor's head.

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And I tell you, they make great...

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Oh, they just love to proclaim the fact
that John Osborne was never ordained.

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It's because I never allowed them to hold
this club over me.

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And I said what I was convicted by the
Holy Spirit to say.

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And they could never control me.

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Therefore, because they never got this
control over me, they refused to ordain me

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all the years I was a conference pastor.

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And Bob, you know, I look at that as a red
badge of courage to this day.

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The fact that they never ordained me.

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And instead of being ashamed of it,
you know, saying, Oh, you know,

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the conference never would ordain me even
though I was a pastor for all those years.

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I am now proud of the fact that they
didn't ordain me because they saw in me a

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free spirit and a mind that would not
buckle under to the religious hierarchy.

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And you do what we do and you say what we
tell you to say or we won't ordain you.

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And because I refused to do that,
they didn't ordain me.

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And today, I've got to admit, I'm kind of
proud of it.

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John, the great controversy tells us that
the same thing happened to Zwingli.

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Well, I'm really humbled to even be
remotely compared to that great Protestant

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reformer, Bob.

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Thank you.

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Page 167 here, John.

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Another means of control to administrators
is the threat of publicity.

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This is once again from the book Law and
Society, which is a textbook in the law

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schools in the Jesuit University.

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In small communities where people tend to
know each other, adversely publicizing

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wrongdoers can have a significant effect
on changing their behavior.

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Perhaps the most potent power in any
administrator's hands is the power to

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publicize.

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And as you recall, after the Perth
Declaration came out, there was a

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conference president who said it wasn't
strong enough.

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We need to publicize the name.

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That was heard in the review.

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So that's another means of control.

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And it's just interesting to me to see how
this is all taught in Jesuit schools,

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how to control, how to use the law to
control, how to use administrative

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regulation and licensing to control,
and how we're seeing the same phenomenon

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taking place in our ranks.

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John, I'd like to get back to this
paragraph I was reading here in great

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controversy.

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You started reading an hour ago at the
beginning of this tape.

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I'm sorry, Bob.

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We just were going in so many different
directions.

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Get back to where you started.

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Well, I'm constantly torn, John,
between the desire to systematically go

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through it and at the same time be sure I
don't miss anything.

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Because in the effort to be systematic,
sometimes you can leave something out that

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comes freshly to your mind when you're
discussing something.

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And we don't want to do that, of course.

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But she said that where Catholicism is not
in the ascendancy and the papists are

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taking a conciliatory course in order to
gain influence.

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And that's exactly what the papacy has
been doing for decades now.

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There is an increasing indifference
concerning the doctrines that separate the

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Reformed churches from the papal
hierarchy.

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Now, I'd like to just mention,
John, what about the nature of sin and the

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origins of that doctrine of original sin,
which has come into our ranks.

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And Ellen White tells us that it is
Satan's constant effort to misrepresent

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the character of God, the nature of sin,
and the real issues at stake in the Great

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Controversy.

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That's page 568, 569.

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Isn't this concept that we have in the New
Theology about the nature of sin and

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Augustinian doctrine that came out of the
Roman papacy?

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Oh, yes.

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Absolutely.

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So, I'm saying there's an increasing
indifference.

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There's been now for 40 years in our
church an increasing indifference

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regarding the difference in doctrine.

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And now it's even spread to the Eucharist,
you see.

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The nature of Christ is another one.

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The issue of salvation from sin is a very
fundamental one because Ellen White tells

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us that the papacy, this is page 572,
573, the papacy is prepared for two

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classes of mankind embracing nearly the
whole world, those who would be saved by

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their merits and those who would be saved
in their sins.

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New Theology.

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Here is the secret of its power.

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So, what better way to prepare the
Seventh-day Adventist church for the

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acceptance of the papacy than the teaching
of the doctrine that one can be saved in

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their sins?

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We just go on in a saving relationship and
even when we're in sin, we're still in

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this saving relationship with the Lord.

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So, there is an increasing indifference
concerning the doctrines that separate the

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Reformed churches from the papal
hierarchy.

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The opinion is gaining ground that after
all we do not differ so widely upon vital

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points as has been supposed.

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And you remember B.B.

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Beach wrote that book, So Much in Common,
a number of years ago.

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Yeah, that really got our people wired up.

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We sent that out in the documentation
packet and our people could not believe

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that.

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That's been printed for some years.

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Oh, years and years.

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And that a little concession on our part
will bring us into better understanding

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with Rome.

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And John, whenever I think about that and
see that happening, I think of the

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Bohemians that Ellen White speaks of in
great controversy.

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The Bohemians were standing up for the
truth.

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They had had the influence of Hus and
Jerome.

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And the papacy brought the largest army
that Europe could muster against the

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Bohemians.

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And every time their enterprise failed
because God worked for the Bohemians.

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And they were secure as long as they
looked to the Lord and didn't take their

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eyes off the Lord and they stood valiantly
for the truth and aggressively for the

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truth.

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But you know the time came when they said,
let's at least talk with Rome.

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And they discussed various points.

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And after parleying, they finally came to
the position that they would make an

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agreement with Rome.

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And Rome would grant them religious
liberty and various things that they

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wanted under the proviso that Rome would
interpret the treaty.

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And as a result, there was civil war that
came in and the reform was just about

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almost wiped out in Bohemia.

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And the nation was bathed in blood.

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And their defense was gone because they
had taken their eyes off of an aggressive,

57:55.770 --> 58:01.650
spiritual, violent approach towards
seeking the kingdom of God to parleying

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with the forces of apostasy.

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You see, this is what happened to me in
1987, Bob.

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This is very painful for me to talk about.

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I didn't even plan on getting into it in
this video.

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But a very painful thing took place with
me and my ministry in 1987 when I tried

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diligently and desperately to work
together with the brethren.

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And Prophecy Countdown had been preaching
a very straight Three Angels message,

58:25.030 --> 58:28.270
a very straight Elijah message since 1985.

58:29.450 --> 58:33.170
And we tried desperately to work together
with the Florida Conference

58:33.170 --> 58:33.950
Administration.

58:33.950 --> 58:36.750
And they just about silenced me.

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And then wiped out Prophecy Countdown.

58:39.010 --> 58:43.950
And Prophecy Countdown at the end of 1989
was almost defunct.

58:44.670 --> 58:50.030
We had just wound down to almost nothing
because we had been trying to work

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together with the conference.

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And they had, in essence, been able to
almost strangle the life out of this

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ministry.

58:55.870 --> 59:00.590
And finally, when this celebration
situation burst upon the church,

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and I remember I first read about it out
of Vance Farrell's material.

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And I understand he got a lot of his
material from Terry Ross.

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And when I first understood and started
hearing about this celebration thing,

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and I made that first celebration video,
I said, I can no longer remain silent.

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I've been trying for three years now to
work together with the brethren.

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But I said, if working together with the
brethren means that I have to accept this

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apostasy and be silent in the midst of
what they are doing in bringing this

59:29.510 --> 59:34.610
Pentecostalism into the church,
then my relationship with the Florida

59:34.610 --> 59:37.470
Conference and with the General Conference
of Seventh-day Adventists is forever

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severed.

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And I had to stand up and make that first
video and call sin, sin.

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And that's when the gauntlet was thrown
down.

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And it has been war with this ministry and
the Seventh-day Adventist hierarchical

59:51.210 --> 59:52.330
leadership ever since.

59:52.530 --> 59:55.890
But unfortunately, I couldn't work
together with them, Bob.

59:55.890 --> 59:59.570
I tried desperately to work together with
our leadership, and you just can't do it.

59:59.690 --> 01:00:03.270
And the only way that I could do it was to
permit them to silence me.

01:00:04.190 --> 01:00:11.230
We have to look to the Lord first,
and that's why Jesus said in Luke 14,

01:00:11.390 --> 01:00:14.930
26, to me this is very fundamental to
Protestantism.

01:00:15.510 --> 01:00:21.030
Luke 14, 26, If any man come to me,
and hate not his father, and mother,

01:00:21.190 --> 01:00:25.750
and wife, and children, and brethren,
and sisters, yea, in his own life also,

01:00:25.830 --> 01:00:27.350
he cannot be my disciple.

01:00:27.930 --> 01:00:32.730
And whosoever doth not bear his cross,
and come after me, cannot be my disciple.

01:00:33.030 --> 01:00:38.190
The disciple had to put Christ first,
and had to have that relationship of

01:00:38.190 --> 01:00:44.270
complete integrity with Christ,
and not let any human entity come between

01:00:44.270 --> 01:00:46.810
him and his relationship with Christ.

01:00:46.810 --> 01:00:51.990
Incidentally, that's fundamental in the
opposition that we should have to the

01:00:51.990 --> 01:00:57.850
spiritual exercises coming in to our
ranks, like it's doing now.

01:00:58.250 --> 01:01:02.010
And incidentally, I understand it's
happening out in the churches.

01:01:02.770 --> 01:01:04.210
This is taking hold.

01:01:05.050 --> 01:01:06.990
Back to great controversy here.

01:01:08.070 --> 01:01:13.730
The time was when Protestants placed a
high value upon the liberty of conscience,

01:01:13.850 --> 01:01:15.510
which had been so dearly purchased.

01:01:15.510 --> 01:01:21.410
You know, the time is coming, the spirit
of prophecy tells us, when liberty of

01:01:21.410 --> 01:01:22.650
conscience will be hated.

01:01:23.570 --> 01:01:25.470
And it will be looked upon as apostasy.

01:01:25.550 --> 01:01:26.290
The time is now.

01:01:26.630 --> 01:01:27.450
It's already apostasy.

01:01:27.450 --> 01:01:28.150
The time is now.

01:01:28.270 --> 01:01:28.530
Yes.

01:01:29.170 --> 01:01:32.330
They taught their children to abhor
potpourri.

01:01:32.910 --> 01:01:36.350
Now, in all of this, we love the Catholic
people.

01:01:36.710 --> 01:01:37.030
Yes.

01:01:37.210 --> 01:01:41.350
One of our best family friends is a
Catholic surgeon that my dad worked with

01:01:41.350 --> 01:01:42.490
for 35 years.

01:01:42.490 --> 01:01:43.790
Dear friend.

01:01:44.310 --> 01:01:47.910
And he is highly esteemed by our family.

01:01:48.190 --> 01:01:51.750
But the system of potpourri is to be
abhorred.

01:01:51.770 --> 01:01:52.470
Man of sin.

01:01:52.570 --> 01:01:55.210
They taught their children to abhor
potpourri.

01:01:55.290 --> 01:01:55.550
Yes.

01:01:55.650 --> 01:02:00.290
And held that to seek harmony with Rome
would be disloyalty to God.

01:02:00.450 --> 01:02:00.750
Yes.

01:02:01.230 --> 01:02:02.530
Seeking harmony with Rome?

01:02:03.010 --> 01:02:03.830
Giving gold medals?

01:02:03.950 --> 01:02:04.470
Disloyalty to God.

01:02:04.530 --> 01:02:07.390
Inviting them to address our worldwide
assembly?

01:02:07.570 --> 01:02:10.650
Seeking harmony with Rome is disloyalty to
God.

01:02:10.650 --> 01:02:11.710
But yet, when did B.B.

01:02:11.770 --> 01:02:12.470
Beach do that?

01:02:13.270 --> 01:02:15.530
Back in 1977, wasn't it?

01:02:15.550 --> 01:02:15.870
That's right.

01:02:16.050 --> 01:02:23.610
Okay, that means how long have our people
kept that man in office continuing to be

01:02:23.610 --> 01:02:25.630
our envoy to the papacy?

01:02:25.890 --> 01:02:27.290
I mean, I can't believe this.

01:02:27.410 --> 01:02:30.550
He gave that gold medal back in 1977.

01:02:31.290 --> 01:02:36.630
And here we are still keeping that man in
office and all the leadership that put him

01:02:36.630 --> 01:02:37.050
in office.

01:02:37.050 --> 01:02:43.850
And this whole system of leadership and
they're still in office and getting worse.

01:02:44.230 --> 01:02:48.910
And our people can't wake up to the fact
that we've got to get these guys out of

01:02:48.910 --> 01:02:49.270
there.

01:02:49.630 --> 01:02:53.630
God is not going to hold us guiltless for
permitting them to stay in.

01:02:53.890 --> 01:02:55.230
I just remember I heard on CNN.

01:02:55.350 --> 01:02:57.770
I get a lot of my news from CNN,
Bob.

01:02:57.790 --> 01:02:58.550
I think as you do.

01:02:59.210 --> 01:03:01.410
And they had a quote.

01:03:01.470 --> 01:03:02.570
I wish I could remember his name.

01:03:02.750 --> 01:03:05.080
But he was a famous Russian historian.

01:03:05.080 --> 01:03:10.520
And he said, people deserve the leaders
they support.

01:03:10.780 --> 01:03:11.300
That's right.

01:03:11.380 --> 01:03:14.180
People deserve the governments they vote
in.

01:03:14.440 --> 01:03:19.540
And you see, the fact that we keep voting
in these men as our leadership in our

01:03:19.540 --> 01:03:23.260
church means that our people deserve
exactly what they get.

01:03:24.640 --> 01:03:27.800
Because we're the ones that are putting
them and keeping them in office and

01:03:27.800 --> 01:03:29.880
supporting them with our tithes and
offerings.

01:03:30.240 --> 01:03:33.580
John, it's a spiritual malaise that has
enshrouded us.

01:03:33.600 --> 01:03:33.820
Yeah.

01:03:34.520 --> 01:03:40.180
Here's a quote from Manuscript 126,
1901, found in Volume 7A of the Bible

01:03:40.180 --> 01:03:43.320
Commentaries, page 911.

01:03:44.120 --> 01:03:46.140
God's estimate of the papal power.

01:03:46.240 --> 01:03:48.740
Her comments now on the man of sin.

01:03:49.060 --> 01:03:52.280
Why is the papacy called the man of sin?

01:03:52.800 --> 01:03:54.340
And I think it's very significant.

01:03:55.380 --> 01:03:59.820
By their treatment of his word,
the popes have exalted themselves above

01:03:59.820 --> 01:04:00.620
the God of heaven.

01:04:01.200 --> 01:04:07.020
This is the reason that in prophecy,
the papal power is specified as the man of

01:04:07.020 --> 01:04:07.420
sin.

01:04:08.660 --> 01:04:11.140
Because of the way they have related to
the word.

01:04:11.340 --> 01:04:11.560
That's right.

01:04:12.000 --> 01:04:15.720
Now, a question that comes back to us is,
how have we related to the word?

01:04:16.020 --> 01:04:17.460
Have we put the word aside?

01:04:17.920 --> 01:04:20.800
Are we living by every word that proceeds
out of the mouth of God?

01:04:20.820 --> 01:04:21.240
No way.

01:04:21.280 --> 01:04:24.900
Are we living in the fear of the Lord and
submission to the word?

01:04:25.020 --> 01:04:29.420
If we're not, that's a pure and simple
explanation as to why we're falling back

01:04:29.420 --> 01:04:30.580
into the hands of the papacy.

01:04:30.580 --> 01:04:34.120
Because we're operating on the same
principle as the papacy and putting our

01:04:34.120 --> 01:04:36.080
own opinions above the word.

01:04:37.740 --> 01:04:39.700
Satan is the originator of sin.

01:04:39.940 --> 01:04:45.120
The power that he causes to alter any one
of God's holy precepts is the man of sin.

01:04:45.580 --> 01:04:49.360
Under Satan's special direction,
the papal power has done this very work.

01:04:49.840 --> 01:04:54.420
Although those standing at the head of the
papacy claim to have great love for God,

01:04:54.920 --> 01:04:57.460
he looks upon them as haters of him.

01:04:58.420 --> 01:04:59.040
And why?

01:04:59.040 --> 01:05:02.520
They have turned the truth of God into a
lie.

01:05:03.100 --> 01:05:07.860
Tampering with God's commandments and
placing in their stead human traditions is

01:05:07.860 --> 01:05:11.700
the work of Satan and will divorce the
religious world from God.

01:05:12.080 --> 01:05:17.080
For he declares, I, the Lord thy God,
am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of

01:05:17.080 --> 01:05:20.520
the fathers upon the children unto the
third and fourth generation of them that

01:05:20.520 --> 01:05:20.980
hate me.

01:05:21.400 --> 01:05:23.780
God will fulfill this word.

01:05:23.780 --> 01:05:31.040
So notice, when a person puts their own
human traditions and their own human

01:05:31.040 --> 01:05:35.880
opinions above the word of God,
even though they profess great love to

01:05:35.880 --> 01:05:39.060
God, God looks upon them as haters of him.

01:05:39.140 --> 01:05:39.520
That's right.

01:05:39.700 --> 01:05:45.220
Now, I have a very significant quotation
here, John, from manuscript 9,

01:05:45.440 --> 01:05:48.500
1900, from volume 7a also, page 950.

01:05:49.160 --> 01:05:54.860
The determination of Antichrist to carry
out the rebellion he began in heaven will

01:05:54.860 --> 01:05:57.520
continue to work in the children of
disobedience.

01:05:57.920 --> 01:06:01.240
But all heaven is on the side of Christ,
not of Antichrist.

01:06:01.860 --> 01:06:05.880
Those who love God and are willing to be
partakers with Christ in his sufferings,

01:06:06.240 --> 01:06:06.840
God will honor.

01:06:07.700 --> 01:06:13.040
Antichrist, meaning all who exalt
themselves against the will and work of

01:06:13.040 --> 01:06:18.660
God, will at the appointed time feel the
wrath of him who gave himself that they

01:06:18.660 --> 01:06:20.600
might not perish but have eternal life.

01:06:21.080 --> 01:06:25.720
All who persevere in obedience,
all who will not sell their souls for

01:06:25.720 --> 01:06:30.400
money or for the favor of men,
God will register in the book of life.

01:06:30.400 --> 01:06:30.820
Amen.

01:06:31.060 --> 01:06:37.260
You see, that's the differentiation
between those who have a form of godliness

01:06:37.260 --> 01:06:41.400
and denying the power thereof and the true
and faithful, the church, the good woman

01:06:41.400 --> 01:06:42.380
of Revelation 12.

01:06:42.380 --> 01:06:48.420
That's the differentiation between the two
systems who are functioning as Christians

01:06:48.420 --> 01:06:49.400
in the last days.

01:06:49.560 --> 01:06:54.720
You see, within this realm of people who
are called the people of God, there are

01:06:54.720 --> 01:06:58.580
the counterfeit and there are the genuine,
and that's the differentiation between the

01:06:58.580 --> 01:06:58.840
two.

01:06:59.400 --> 01:07:04.960
John, what is so significant about this
quote is that she defines Antichrist as

01:07:04.960 --> 01:07:08.660
meaning all who exalt themselves against
the will and work of God.

01:07:08.660 --> 01:07:12.420
So, it's just not the papacy that's the
Antichrist.

01:07:12.580 --> 01:07:17.880
It's those who accept the teachings or who
accept the concept of papal thought.

01:07:18.060 --> 01:07:22.040
So, what you're saying, what we hear from
the spirit of prophecy in the Bible is

01:07:22.040 --> 01:07:27.060
that it's not only this one system that is
the Antichrist, but you mean Seventh-day

01:07:27.060 --> 01:07:31.960
Adventists accepting papal and Jesuit
thought are functioning as the Antichrist

01:07:31.960 --> 01:07:32.920
in the last days.

01:07:33.620 --> 01:07:36.460
All who exalt themselves against the will
and work of God.

01:07:36.460 --> 01:07:41.800
Is it possible, then, ho, ho, I don't even
know if I should say this, is it possible

01:07:41.800 --> 01:07:46.640
that the leadership of the Seventh-day
Adventist church can function as

01:07:46.640 --> 01:07:47.380
Antichrist?

01:07:48.040 --> 01:07:51.060
All who exalt themselves against the will
and work of God.

01:07:51.360 --> 01:07:52.880
You're very diplomatic, Bob.

01:07:52.900 --> 01:08:00.680
So, we... the great question before us is
to be settled into the truth

01:08:00.680 --> 01:08:01.740
intellectually and spiritually.

01:08:01.740 --> 01:08:06.440
Again and again, Ellen White speaks of the
little band who is bound together by the

01:08:06.440 --> 01:08:06.980
truth.

01:08:08.020 --> 01:08:13.180
And the thorough Protestant outlook,
I absolutely love it in the Great

01:08:13.180 --> 01:08:17.580
Controversy and in all of Ellen White's
writings, Scripture as well.

01:08:18.020 --> 01:08:23.960
In the Desire of Ages, a major motif in
that book is the struggle between Jesus

01:08:23.960 --> 01:08:31.260
who humbled himself and went according to
the word of God as opposed to the

01:08:31.260 --> 01:08:36.260
conventional wisdom of the day and the
thinking of the religious leaders who had

01:08:36.260 --> 01:08:39.900
exalted their opinions and traditions over
against the word.

01:08:40.320 --> 01:08:44.880
That's where the conflict was in the
chapter Days of Conflict in Desire of

01:08:44.880 --> 01:08:45.080
Ages.

01:08:45.220 --> 01:08:49.920
And the conflict grew and intensified
until he was nailed on the cross of

01:08:49.920 --> 01:08:50.340
Calvary.

01:08:50.340 --> 01:09:00.940
Well, you know, John, through all of this,
I'm sensing a need to experience the

01:09:00.940 --> 01:09:10.580
beauty of the gospel, the joy of the Lord,
the security our people can have in this

01:09:10.580 --> 01:09:11.640
submission to the word.

01:09:12.000 --> 01:09:17.660
Once we know what the word of God is,
what the will of God is, to surrender

01:09:17.660 --> 01:09:23.480
ourselves fully to that, to rest our case
with him, to be fully surrendered in our

01:09:23.480 --> 01:09:28.060
will and in our heart and to have that
peace that passes all understanding.

01:09:28.360 --> 01:09:31.020
That's what we're needing going into this
final conflict.

01:09:31.280 --> 01:09:38.440
Bob, it's, you know, I'm torn,
as every person is, between their fleshly

01:09:38.440 --> 01:09:41.280
nature and their spiritual nature,
but I've got to be very honest with you

01:09:41.280 --> 01:09:48.360
that don't think that I don't wake up at 2
o'clock in the morning thinking about the

01:09:48.360 --> 01:09:54.240
hundreds and even thousands of people who
would love to see me dead and to see you

01:09:54.240 --> 01:10:00.880
dead and would love to shed our blood and
to realize the evil that is being

01:10:00.880 --> 01:10:04.780
practiced against this ministry,
the treachery that is being practiced

01:10:04.780 --> 01:10:05.600
against this ministry.

01:10:05.740 --> 01:10:12.280
I don't want to go and dwell on this to
our people, but if they had any idea of

01:10:12.280 --> 01:10:20.160
the treachery that is being organized to
crush this ministry and to get a hold of

01:10:20.160 --> 01:10:25.820
our supporters across the nation and to
try to turn them from buying these videos

01:10:25.820 --> 01:10:31.200
and supporting the work that we are doing,
it's, humanly speaking, it's absolutely

01:10:31.200 --> 01:10:31.720
fearful.

01:10:32.080 --> 01:10:37.540
And if we did not have an absolute faith
in the Lord and to think of Daniel and how

01:10:37.540 --> 01:10:41.780
when those spies were spying on him and
trying to dig up all this stuff and the

01:10:41.780 --> 01:10:45.220
false witnesses that were brought against
Christ and all the treachery that has been

01:10:45.220 --> 01:10:48.100
practiced against the true and faithful
down through religious history,

01:10:48.120 --> 01:10:52.520
including the Protestant Reformation and
the way that the Protestant Reformers were

01:10:52.520 --> 01:10:56.080
fearful for their life because of the way
that papacy tried to crush them,

01:10:56.280 --> 01:10:58.860
that our people need to realize that
things have not changed.

01:10:59.200 --> 01:11:02.460
We've modernized, yes, but the concepts
are still the same.

01:11:02.460 --> 01:11:07.380
To silence the dissidents at any cost,
at any cost, Bob.

01:11:08.360 --> 01:11:13.260
John, I'd like to read another quotation
here from Great Controversy about

01:11:13.260 --> 01:11:13.940
Romanism.

01:11:14.160 --> 01:11:20.280
It's so important to have the correct
worldview and to realize that the Bible

01:11:20.280 --> 01:11:26.540
and the book of Revelation and Daniel and
2 Thessalonians is very clear about what

01:11:26.540 --> 01:11:32.020
our perspective should be on Rome in our
worldview, in our personal lives and our

01:11:32.020 --> 01:11:32.940
life as a church.

01:11:33.700 --> 01:11:39.780
But Romanism as a system is no more in
harmony with the gospel of Christ now than

01:11:39.780 --> 01:11:41.660
at any former period in her history.

01:11:41.960 --> 01:11:46.220
The Protestant churches are in great
darkness or they would discern the signs

01:11:46.220 --> 01:11:46.960
of the times.

01:11:47.540 --> 01:11:51.580
The Roman church is far-reaching in her
plans and modes of operation.

01:11:51.580 --> 01:11:58.880
She is employing every device to extend
her influence and increase her power in

01:11:58.880 --> 01:12:03.920
preparation for a fierce and determined
conflict to regain control of the world,

01:12:04.420 --> 01:12:10.000
to reestablish persecution and to undo all
that Protestantism has done.

01:12:10.860 --> 01:12:16.440
I'd like to spend some time on this video,
John, looking at the background and this

01:12:16.440 --> 01:12:21.400
effort, this fierce and determined effort
to regain control of the world,

01:12:21.980 --> 01:12:25.900
to reestablish persecution and to undo all
that Protestantism has done.

01:12:26.480 --> 01:12:32.520
Dropping down here a little more in Great
Controversy, she says, Protestants have

01:12:32.520 --> 01:12:34.740
tampered with and patronized potpourri.

01:12:35.280 --> 01:12:39.760
They have made compromises and concessions
which papists themselves are surprised to

01:12:39.760 --> 01:12:41.220
see and fail to understand.

01:12:41.220 --> 01:12:46.220
Men are closing their eyes to the real
character of Romanism and the dangers to

01:12:46.220 --> 01:12:47.680
be apprehended from her supremacy.

01:12:48.120 --> 01:12:54.720
The people need to be aroused to resist
the advances of this most dangerous foe,

01:12:54.940 --> 01:12:54.940
the civil...

01:12:54.940 --> 01:12:55.860
What did the people need?

01:12:56.000 --> 01:12:57.100
Read that again.

01:12:57.220 --> 01:12:57.600
Wait a second.

01:12:57.720 --> 01:12:58.720
Read that again.

01:12:58.920 --> 01:13:01.120
The people need to be aroused.

01:13:01.300 --> 01:13:02.280
Is that what we are doing?

01:13:02.520 --> 01:13:03.780
That's what we're trying to do,
John.

01:13:03.920 --> 01:13:08.520
You see, the people who are coming against
us for daring to deal with this Jesuit

01:13:08.520 --> 01:13:11.000
topic are not reading and studying.

01:13:11.080 --> 01:13:13.520
If they were reading and studying,
they wouldn't be saying this stuff.

01:13:13.960 --> 01:13:17.940
It's so obvious that this is what we are
to be doing, just what we are doing.

01:13:18.440 --> 01:13:22.100
Exposing the man of sin, waking our people
up to what is happening.

01:13:22.460 --> 01:13:27.040
And that exposure involves uncovering what
Rome has been doing.

01:13:27.100 --> 01:13:27.540
Absolutely.

01:13:27.580 --> 01:13:32.840
What her tactics are, what her agencies
are, what her objectives are, and where

01:13:32.840 --> 01:13:34.420
she is in this process.

01:13:34.420 --> 01:13:38.560
Not just out there in Christendom,
but to show our people just the inroads of

01:13:38.560 --> 01:13:40.540
what they've made into the Seventh-day
Adventist Church.

01:13:40.680 --> 01:13:43.320
What they have done in our own
denomination.

01:13:43.760 --> 01:13:43.900
Right.

01:13:44.180 --> 01:13:46.520
And yet people say, how dare you!

01:13:47.020 --> 01:13:50.200
How dare you stand up and say these things
that are being said.

01:13:50.440 --> 01:13:53.500
Don't you realize that you're talking
against the apple of God's eye,

01:13:53.620 --> 01:13:55.540
the object of His supreme regard.

01:13:55.820 --> 01:13:59.640
Let me tell you something, Romanism is not
the apple of God's eye.

01:14:00.100 --> 01:14:02.900
Romanism is not the object of His supreme
regard.

01:14:02.900 --> 01:14:04.680
It's a little horn power, isn't it?

01:14:06.040 --> 01:14:12.080
The people need to be aroused to resist
the advances of this most dangerous foe to

01:14:12.080 --> 01:14:14.380
civil and religious liberty.

01:14:15.140 --> 01:14:20.340
So, Rome is an enemy of civil liberty and
an enemy of religious liberty.

01:14:20.800 --> 01:14:26.200
Those are the two horns on the beast,
the lamb-like beast in Revelation 13.

01:14:26.200 --> 01:14:28.500
Those are the secret.

01:14:29.100 --> 01:14:33.620
Civil liberty and religious liberty are
the secret of America's power and success.

01:14:34.220 --> 01:14:35.960
But Rome hates that.

01:14:36.320 --> 01:14:36.340
Yes.

01:14:36.500 --> 01:14:38.900
And Rome has wanted to subjugate this
nation.

01:14:39.360 --> 01:14:44.000
This nation has become so powerful,
and she would like to exert her control

01:14:44.000 --> 01:14:46.440
over this nation and over the churches.

01:14:46.940 --> 01:14:52.380
And there is literature now coming out,
John, that is exposing this.

01:14:52.380 --> 01:14:57.940
I am amazed at how the Lord is moving on
people's hearts to expose this.

01:14:58.120 --> 01:15:00.080
It seems like this is happening all of a
sudden.

01:15:00.200 --> 01:15:03.880
I know I commented on this earlier,
but it's kind of like how when the Lord

01:15:03.880 --> 01:15:08.800
was ready for Daniel to be understood,
it's how suddenly around the world it

01:15:08.800 --> 01:15:11.480
seems like all of a sudden everybody was
studying the book of Daniel and

01:15:11.480 --> 01:15:12.240
understanding it.

01:15:12.240 --> 01:15:18.560
And now this situation with this holy or
unholy alliance between the kings of the

01:15:18.560 --> 01:15:22.720
earth and the harlot of Revelation 17 and
the little horn power of Daniel 7,

01:15:22.800 --> 01:15:27.540
the Roman papacy, that suddenly everybody
is seeing it and writing about it.

01:15:27.620 --> 01:15:28.780
We are hearing about it on the media.

01:15:29.240 --> 01:15:34.360
And all of a sudden this has just burst
upon the worldly horizon of what is taking

01:15:34.360 --> 01:15:34.740
place.

01:15:34.980 --> 01:15:38.800
It's like God is saying now is the time to
expose the man of sin.

01:15:39.000 --> 01:15:39.400
That's right.

01:15:39.400 --> 01:15:42.880
And so here we're looking at this Time
article.

01:15:43.500 --> 01:15:48.660
Time, How Reagan and the Pope Conspired to
Assist Poland's Solidarity Movement and

01:15:48.660 --> 01:15:50.420
Hasten the Demise of Communism.

01:15:50.740 --> 01:16:00.040
Now just on the spur of the moment here,
as we look at this use of solidarity,

01:16:00.300 --> 01:16:06.360
I'd like to mention that solidarity is a
much larger picture than just the labor

01:16:06.360 --> 01:16:07.340
union in Poland.

01:16:08.340 --> 01:16:15.160
Solidarity is the Roman Catholic term for
the use of labor unions to achieve her

01:16:15.160 --> 01:16:15.660
purpose.

01:16:16.420 --> 01:16:18.520
I would like to show you a pin here,
John.

01:16:20.580 --> 01:16:23.420
This is the state employee's solidarity.

01:16:23.720 --> 01:16:27.540
Here is a whole list of labor unions from
the state of California.

01:16:28.300 --> 01:16:29.640
Oh, that's not from Poland.

01:16:29.800 --> 01:16:30.920
No, this is not from Poland.

01:16:30.940 --> 01:16:31.660
From California.

01:16:31.740 --> 01:16:32.580
This is from California.

01:16:32.580 --> 01:16:35.720
So solidarity is not a Polish term.

01:16:36.880 --> 01:16:39.880
That's just what we've heard about,
you know, Lackawinsa and all that.

01:16:40.280 --> 01:16:43.920
But this is something that is Catholic and
is worldwide.

01:16:44.240 --> 01:16:50.620
And it signifies all labor unions around
the world that the papacy uses to do her

01:16:50.620 --> 01:16:50.800
bidding.

01:16:50.920 --> 01:16:54.380
And hasn't that been the way she's always
worked?

01:16:54.740 --> 01:16:55.720
Through another power?

01:16:56.200 --> 01:16:56.640
That's right.

01:16:56.780 --> 01:16:58.780
She uses many agencies.

01:16:58.920 --> 01:17:01.260
Then if those agencies fail, the onus is
not on her.

01:17:01.260 --> 01:17:03.780
Nor can it be tracked back to her.

01:17:04.120 --> 01:17:06.960
And we want to look at that, her use of
various agencies.

01:17:07.600 --> 01:17:10.360
I'm so captivated by this Time Magazine
article.

01:17:10.800 --> 01:17:13.400
I just wonder how many of our people have
read that.

01:17:13.680 --> 01:17:17.420
And how many people, when they saw it on
the newsstand, said, this is prophecy

01:17:17.420 --> 01:17:19.540
being fulfilled before our very eyes.

01:17:19.660 --> 01:17:22.720
Or how many Adventists saw it and didn't
think a thing about it.

01:17:23.860 --> 01:17:30.460
Yes, this book by John Courtney Murray,
We Hold These Truths, Catholic Reflections

01:17:30.460 --> 01:17:31.460
on the American Proposition.

01:17:31.460 --> 01:17:32.200
In the last video we saw that.

01:17:32.220 --> 01:17:40.940
He mentions that the agency, the dominant
agency that resides in society between the

01:17:40.940 --> 01:17:47.020
individual and the government,
and the church above all, is the labor

01:17:47.020 --> 01:17:47.480
union.

01:17:48.460 --> 01:17:49.800
And I thought that was significant.

01:17:50.560 --> 01:17:54.900
In Lawrence Lader's book here,
Politics, Power, and the Church,

01:17:55.000 --> 01:17:58.920
The Catholic Crisis and Its Challenge to
American Pluralism, Lawrence Lader,

01:17:59.040 --> 01:18:06.340
who is a very credible reporter,
who was cited eight times in Roe v.

01:18:06.560 --> 01:18:13.100
Wade, tells of how the Catholic Church got
involved in gaining control of the labor

01:18:13.100 --> 01:18:14.060
unions in America.

01:18:14.460 --> 01:18:20.420
He traces the rise to power of the
Catholic Church in America from virtually

01:18:20.420 --> 01:18:29.200
nothing at the year 1900, at the turn of
the century, coming on down through the

01:18:29.200 --> 01:18:34.540
gaining of control of the municipal
governments in our cities, the media,

01:18:35.260 --> 01:18:41.620
the labor unions, and has eventually
catapulted itself now into international

01:18:41.620 --> 01:18:42.620
stature.

01:18:43.000 --> 01:18:50.720
He traces the coalition between the
fundamentalist and charismatic churches in

01:18:50.720 --> 01:18:56.900
America, the Roman Catholic conservative
element in the church, as well as the

01:18:56.900 --> 01:19:03.120
White House, and how this coalition,
these three partners, have succeeded in

01:19:03.120 --> 01:19:05.120
accomplishing amazing things.

01:19:05.500 --> 01:19:09.880
Well, I'd like to look at this Time
article a little bit with you,

01:19:09.920 --> 01:19:12.480
John, because it's so significant.

01:19:12.980 --> 01:19:19.140
I understand that the Vatican is now
calling the article bizarre, and...

01:19:19.140 --> 01:19:20.680
What do you expect them to say?

01:19:20.680 --> 01:19:27.280
If you look at it, the author of it is
Carl Bernstein, the same one that

01:19:27.280 --> 01:19:30.000
uncovered the Watergate scandal.

01:19:30.520 --> 01:19:37.200
A very good reporter, and I understand
that he conducted 75 interviews in which

01:19:37.200 --> 01:19:39.900
he obtained this information.

01:19:40.660 --> 01:19:46.460
And this article traces the working
together of Reagan and his administration,

01:19:46.460 --> 01:19:55.040
the AFL-CIO, and the Vatican to
destabilize the government in Russia and

01:19:55.040 --> 01:20:01.720
in Poland, and to strengthen solidarity,
which incidentally rested upon the

01:20:01.720 --> 01:20:07.360
philosophical teachings of Thomas Aquinas,
the greatest systematic theologian that

01:20:07.360 --> 01:20:12.480
the Roman Catholic Church has ever had,
and how they work hand in glove with

01:20:12.480 --> 01:20:14.220
hardly a ripple of disagreement.

01:20:15.220 --> 01:20:20.020
Cardinal after cardinal is mentioned in
here, the Catholic team of the

01:20:20.020 --> 01:20:27.260
administration, CIA Chief William Casey,
Allen, Clark, Haig, Walters, and William

01:20:27.260 --> 01:20:30.360
Wilson, Reagan's first ambassador to the
Vatican.

01:20:30.580 --> 01:20:33.980
Now, William Casey was a Knight of Malta.

01:20:34.780 --> 01:20:41.140
Here is his biography by Joseph Persico,
The Lives and Secrets of William J.

01:20:41.400 --> 01:20:43.280
Casey from the OSS to the CIA.

01:20:44.480 --> 01:20:47.620
And Casey was trained by the Jesuits.

01:20:48.380 --> 01:20:53.900
In the third chapter, we find the chapter
title, In the Hands of the Jesuits.

01:20:54.400 --> 01:20:56.620
And it tells how he went to Fordham
University.

01:20:57.360 --> 01:21:00.300
And immediately he studied philosophy
there.

01:21:00.300 --> 01:21:06.660
Now, this is an important matter,
because philosophy has been regarded by

01:21:06.660 --> 01:21:12.260
the Roman Catholic Church as its chief
agency in defending the faith.

01:21:13.300 --> 01:21:18.340
A Fordham teacher and Jesuit priest during
Casey's time said this about philosophy,

01:21:18.440 --> 01:21:22.380
The main purpose of teaching philosophy is
to defend the faith.

01:21:22.900 --> 01:21:27.200
However strongly we may insist on its
cultural value, down in our hearts we know

01:21:27.200 --> 01:21:31.780
very well that our controlling motive is
to implant those principles, which we have

01:21:31.780 --> 01:21:35.980
received from a higher source than mere
reason, to render our students immune from

01:21:35.980 --> 01:21:39.320
those infections of skepticism and
materialism that are in the air we

01:21:39.320 --> 01:21:39.660
breathe.

01:21:40.240 --> 01:21:44.100
This chapter goes on to tell how Casey was
an Irish Catholic.

01:21:44.800 --> 01:21:51.600
He would go down the streets with his
schoolmates singing IRA songs.

01:21:51.600 --> 01:21:56.910
And how he entered a system of learning
that had scarcely changed in 400 years,

01:21:57.560 --> 01:22:02.500
since Ignatius Loyola had created the
Society of Jesus and set forth its Ratio

01:22:02.500 --> 01:22:05.700
Studiorum, which is the Jesuit plan of
study.

01:22:06.500 --> 01:22:11.840
And to him there was one everlasting
changeless truth, the Catholic Church.

01:22:13.140 --> 01:22:18.680
He decided ultimately that he wanted to be
the power behind the throne in America.

01:22:18.680 --> 01:22:23.140
He wanted to be the kingmaker,
the one that pulled the strings behind the

01:22:23.140 --> 01:22:23.620
scenes.

01:22:24.120 --> 01:22:27.600
And he was just that, the guy behind the
throne advising the President of the

01:22:27.600 --> 01:22:28.300
United States.

01:22:28.520 --> 01:22:29.300
That's exactly what he was.

01:22:29.900 --> 01:22:35.800
It's significant, I think, in here,
John, that he attended in his senior year

01:22:35.800 --> 01:22:40.500
a seminar on natural law.

01:22:41.360 --> 01:22:46.160
And Roman Catholic natural law,
of course, is a big thing in the thinking

01:22:46.160 --> 01:22:47.080
of the Jesuits.

01:22:47.080 --> 01:22:52.900
They are interested in shifting America
off of the old Protestant morality,

01:22:53.360 --> 01:23:01.300
which believed in the Bible as the
ultimate norm of authority.

01:23:02.260 --> 01:23:09.920
And John Courtney Murray, in his book,
discusses how he was thrilled to see that

01:23:09.920 --> 01:23:16.720
the old Protestant morality had died out
from the public scene in America.

01:23:16.720 --> 01:23:21.080
The morality that believed that you just
accept the Bible for what it says.

01:23:21.560 --> 01:23:23.380
The Bible is your norm of truth.

01:23:23.620 --> 01:23:29.200
That your conscience is bound supremely to
the Word of God and does not accept any

01:23:29.200 --> 01:23:33.800
external norm of authority other than the
Word of God.

01:23:34.240 --> 01:23:40.800
That the person is motivated by a
motivation of selfless love and

01:23:40.800 --> 01:23:42.480
disinterested love to the other.

01:23:43.320 --> 01:23:45.440
Actually, this is what made America great.

01:23:45.440 --> 01:23:52.280
And the philosophy of John Locke,
which has had taken Protestant concepts

01:23:52.280 --> 01:23:59.320
and embedded them in political theory,
his philosophy is attacked by John

01:23:59.320 --> 01:24:00.360
Courtney Murray in here.

01:24:01.180 --> 01:24:07.700
And Murray shows us how this philosophy,
this old Protestant morality rather,

01:24:08.160 --> 01:24:14.540
has been destroyed by relativism,
or situationalism as he calls it.

01:24:14.540 --> 01:24:17.200
Well, this is the thing that makes the
Jesuits so deceptive.

01:24:17.260 --> 01:24:21.640
It's that they go around in this
sanctimonious garb doing all these,

01:24:21.820 --> 01:24:22.400
quote, good things.

01:24:22.460 --> 01:24:28.040
This is why people are so taken in by them
because they have such a pious exterior.

01:24:28.400 --> 01:24:35.760
Hiding these, you know, cloaking these
terrible deeds and oaths and beliefs and

01:24:35.760 --> 01:24:37.040
attitudes that they have.

01:24:37.040 --> 01:24:45.800
And then, John, he says that the
relativism is being shown to be defunct.

01:24:46.100 --> 01:24:48.240
It can't hold America together.

01:24:48.380 --> 01:24:49.500
It's not going to succeed.

01:24:50.000 --> 01:24:52.980
And therefore, what's needed is Roman
Catholic natural law.

01:24:53.340 --> 01:25:00.040
Now, in Roman Catholic natural law,
the person fits in to the norms that are

01:25:00.040 --> 01:25:03.340
imposed on him from above by the state and
the church.

01:25:03.380 --> 01:25:04.560
He fits into the order.

01:25:04.560 --> 01:25:08.580
And the church decides what that order is.

01:25:08.720 --> 01:25:12.760
And it decides that based on reason and
the nature of man.

01:25:13.240 --> 01:25:14.600
And that's why it's called natural law.

01:25:14.700 --> 01:25:16.340
It goes way back to Thomas Aquinas.

01:25:17.100 --> 01:25:19.660
Because that's all we heard during the
Clarence Thomas hearings.

01:25:19.820 --> 01:25:23.420
And we realize that four of the seven
Supreme Court justices today are Roman

01:25:23.420 --> 01:25:25.840
Catholic who all believe in natural law.

01:25:25.920 --> 01:25:28.780
When you realize that this natural law
that they're talking about is Catholic

01:25:28.780 --> 01:25:29.300
law.

01:25:29.520 --> 01:25:31.820
And what it is, it's not the Constitution.

01:25:32.020 --> 01:25:33.790
It's them interpreting the Constitution.

01:25:33.790 --> 01:25:35.590
See, that's what's frightening.

01:25:35.790 --> 01:25:38.750
The Constitution and the Bill of Rights
and all that is wonderful.

01:25:39.010 --> 01:25:43.590
But now we have Catholics, the major
portion of the Supreme Court, interpreting

01:25:43.590 --> 01:25:44.150
this.

01:25:44.350 --> 01:25:47.790
You see, and that's where they always get
their way, is by the interpretation.

01:25:48.630 --> 01:25:49.070
That's right.

01:25:49.450 --> 01:25:49.890
That's right.

01:25:49.990 --> 01:25:54.530
And you see, they're bringing in a new
norm other than the Constitution.

01:25:55.730 --> 01:25:57.910
And in this way, the Constitution can be
repudiated.

01:25:58.430 --> 01:25:58.790
That's right.

01:25:59.310 --> 01:26:01.090
Just by the interpretation of it.

01:26:01.090 --> 01:26:01.970
That's right.

01:26:02.570 --> 01:26:07.490
In fact, John, before we go on,
I'd like to bring in something about this.

01:26:08.410 --> 01:26:12.930
I just picked up a book at that bookstore
yesterday.

01:26:13.630 --> 01:26:14.990
Triumph Without Victory.

01:26:15.110 --> 01:26:17.550
The Unreported History of the Persian Gulf
War.

01:26:17.970 --> 01:26:22.690
The American people became aware that
there was a titanic struggle going on

01:26:22.690 --> 01:26:26.530
behind the scenes as we were about to go
to war in Kuwait.

01:26:28.070 --> 01:26:33.490
They knew that Bush had not sought
permission from Congress to wage war,

01:26:34.230 --> 01:26:37.150
and that we were going to war based on U
.N.

01:26:37.310 --> 01:26:37.730
resolutions.

01:26:37.990 --> 01:26:40.870
Now, that's part of a bigger picture we
want to look at here shortly.

01:26:41.270 --> 01:26:42.210
A much bigger picture.

01:26:42.330 --> 01:26:50.470
But I would like to read just their
conclusion here about Bush and what the

01:26:50.470 --> 01:26:51.450
administration did.

01:26:52.290 --> 01:26:54.730
This is by the staff of U.S.

01:26:54.850 --> 01:26:55.810
News and World Report.

01:26:56.950 --> 01:26:58.250
This is page 414.

01:26:58.950 --> 01:27:03.450
When the administration moved closer to a
showdown with Saddam Hussein, as the

01:27:03.450 --> 01:27:07.750
United Nations January 15 deadline
approached, there was virtual hostility on

01:27:07.750 --> 01:27:11.630
the part of the President and his men
toward the Constitutional requirements

01:27:11.630 --> 01:27:16.030
that govern the nation's conduct of
foreign policy, especially as it may lead

01:27:16.030 --> 01:27:16.530
to war.

01:27:17.010 --> 01:27:20.530
Like each of his predecessors since
Richard Nixon, George Bush believed that

01:27:20.530 --> 01:27:25.310
the War Powers Resolution passed by
Congress in 1973 was unconstitutional.

01:27:25.970 --> 01:27:30.530
Also, like his predecessors, Bush refused
to test the Resolution's constitutionality

01:27:30.530 --> 01:27:31.630
in the courts.

01:27:32.250 --> 01:27:35.930
The White House was convinced that it
could proceed toward war with Iraq without

01:27:35.930 --> 01:27:39.970
the consent of Congress, with or without
the Resolution.

01:27:40.770 --> 01:27:43.190
Indeed, the Resolution has served as a
smokescreen.

01:27:43.990 --> 01:27:48.810
And so, George Bush's remarkable success
in constructing the international

01:27:48.810 --> 01:27:52.090
coalition against Iraq should not obscure
this point.

01:27:52.550 --> 01:27:56.510
Although he ultimately sought and received
the approval of the Congress, Bush has

01:27:56.510 --> 01:27:58.890
stated that he believed such approval was
not needed.

01:28:00.090 --> 01:28:05.630
So there is a bypassing of our
Constitution using United Nations

01:28:05.630 --> 01:28:06.250
Resolution.

01:28:06.270 --> 01:28:10.590
And hasn't he been the main author of this
new world order, George Bush?

01:28:10.590 --> 01:28:13.890
He's been the kingpin of this whole thing.

01:28:14.290 --> 01:28:19.230
And John, that's what I'd like to look at
that's behind this whole holy alliance

01:28:19.230 --> 01:28:20.870
that is spoken of here.

01:28:20.890 --> 01:28:25.570
Do you think the fact that our United
States of America president is the one who

01:28:25.570 --> 01:28:29.010
is leading out of this new world order has
anything to do with Ellen White's

01:28:29.010 --> 01:28:32.990
statements that the Protestant churches of
this nation, America, would be foremost in

01:28:32.990 --> 01:28:35.570
reaching the hands across the great abyss
and clasping the hands of the Roman power?

01:28:35.570 --> 01:28:40.210
And that is part of the strategy of the
globalists, those who are working for this

01:28:40.210 --> 01:28:42.250
new world order.

01:28:42.290 --> 01:28:42.710
Absolutely.

01:28:42.930 --> 01:28:45.890
To use America because it has a history of
integrity.

01:28:46.010 --> 01:28:46.290
Yes.

01:28:46.390 --> 01:28:47.730
It has a history of success.

01:28:48.370 --> 01:28:53.670
It is the power that is in the prime
position to bring about this coalition,

01:28:53.810 --> 01:28:54.630
this new world order.

01:28:55.090 --> 01:29:01.070
Notice what Ellen White says in her
comments on Revelation 17, verses 13 and

01:29:01.070 --> 01:29:01.470
14.

01:29:01.470 --> 01:29:03.130
These have one mind.

01:29:03.810 --> 01:29:09.690
There will be a universal bond of union,
one great harmony, a confederacy of

01:29:09.690 --> 01:29:10.470
Satan's forces.

01:29:10.890 --> 01:29:15.270
We are looking at a world that ultimately
will be united.

01:29:15.790 --> 01:29:19.930
It will be united except for the
dissenters, those who have a different

01:29:19.930 --> 01:29:23.070
worldview, those who hold to the three
angels' messages.

01:29:23.670 --> 01:29:27.710
There will be this universal bond of union
and shall give their power and strength

01:29:27.710 --> 01:29:28.370
unto the beast.

01:29:28.370 --> 01:29:32.870
Thus is manifested the same arbitrary
oppressive power against religious

01:29:32.870 --> 01:29:36.730
liberty, freedom to worship God according
to the dictates of conscience as was

01:29:36.730 --> 01:29:41.710
manifested by the papacy, when in the past
it persecuted those who dared to refuse to

01:29:41.710 --> 01:29:45.070
conform with the religious rites and
ceremonies of Romanism.

01:29:45.390 --> 01:29:49.430
In the warfare to be waged in the last
days there will be united in opposition to

01:29:49.430 --> 01:29:53.930
God's people all the corrupt powers that
have apostatized from allegiance to the

01:29:53.930 --> 01:29:54.570
law of Jehovah.

01:29:55.070 --> 01:30:01.230
So all of the powers, all of the corrupt
powers, are going to unite together to

01:30:01.230 --> 01:30:04.150
wage war against the faithful.

01:30:04.430 --> 01:30:08.470
And the very thing that is happening in
the church now, people say, How dare you?

01:30:08.670 --> 01:30:10.290
You're standing up against the church.

01:30:10.390 --> 01:30:13.450
How dare you speak against the church or
do anything against the church?

01:30:13.810 --> 01:30:15.230
Why, you're not a Christian.

01:30:15.570 --> 01:30:16.710
You're a terrible person.

01:30:16.810 --> 01:30:18.550
How dare you stand up and say anything
against the church?

01:30:18.550 --> 01:30:22.050
It's the same mentality when our
government does this.

01:30:22.150 --> 01:30:23.450
They say, You're un-American.

01:30:23.770 --> 01:30:24.870
Why, you're a communist.

01:30:25.070 --> 01:30:27.170
How dare you not do what our leadership
says?

01:30:27.370 --> 01:30:31.630
How dare you not do what our country says
and go along to save our country?

01:30:31.990 --> 01:30:33.090
You know, you're un-American.

01:30:33.670 --> 01:30:38.750
And there is a conditioning process in the
New Age movement, John, to bring this all

01:30:38.750 --> 01:30:39.110
about.

01:30:39.230 --> 01:30:39.830
You're a traitor.

01:30:39.830 --> 01:30:48.990
Now, this biography of Cayce is very
interesting to me because Penny Lerneau

01:30:48.990 --> 01:30:51.850
tells us that Cayce was a Knight of Malta.

01:30:52.050 --> 01:30:52.570
Now, what is that?

01:30:52.610 --> 01:30:57.110
The Knights of Malta were one of the
oldest orators of the Roman Catholic

01:30:57.110 --> 01:30:57.570
Church.

01:30:58.210 --> 01:31:04.010
And they are dedicated to using high
finance and influence in high government

01:31:04.010 --> 01:31:07.230
to bring about the worldwide supremacy of
the papacy.

01:31:07.230 --> 01:31:12.030
So we have this man, who is a Knight of
Malta, trained by the Jesuits,

01:31:12.150 --> 01:31:13.070
heading our CIA.

01:31:13.890 --> 01:31:19.950
And now more and more literature is coming
out showing the connection between our CIA

01:31:19.950 --> 01:31:24.010
and the Vatican in intelligence gathering
and how they have worked together.

01:31:24.190 --> 01:31:28.650
Just like in this Time article,
how they worked together, the CIA and the

01:31:28.650 --> 01:31:28.890
Vatican.

01:31:29.050 --> 01:31:34.090
And the CIA looked like little children's
play in comparison with the ability of the

01:31:34.090 --> 01:31:35.270
Vatican in this area.

01:31:35.270 --> 01:31:36.250
Tell me something, Bob.

01:31:36.290 --> 01:31:44.690
Do you believe the techniques used by the
Vatican and then by the CIA to silence

01:31:44.690 --> 01:31:52.530
dissidents could possibly now be practiced
by the leadership of the Seventh Adventist

01:31:52.530 --> 01:31:56.990
Organization, the Seventh Adventist
Corporation, to silence the independent

01:31:56.990 --> 01:32:00.710
ministries and the dissidents that are
causing her demise?

01:32:00.710 --> 01:32:05.930
Well, what we want to look at,
of course, is what are the techniques?

01:32:06.290 --> 01:32:07.830
Are the techniques the same?

01:32:08.470 --> 01:32:13.590
Where are they finding out about the
techniques, you know, and are they

01:32:13.590 --> 01:32:15.050
applying them in the same way?

01:32:15.750 --> 01:32:18.830
This is what Ellen White called in the
track of Romanism.

01:32:19.110 --> 01:32:25.150
There's page after page in testimonies to
ministers declaring that we are following

01:32:25.150 --> 01:32:26.530
in the track of Romanism.

01:32:26.550 --> 01:32:29.130
That was way back from the 1890s.

01:32:29.130 --> 01:32:32.450
The Protestant Reformation is taking place
all over again.

01:32:32.710 --> 01:32:34.930
That's what's happening in the Seventh
Adventist Church.

01:32:35.190 --> 01:32:37.830
It's just a resurgence of the Protestant
Reformation.

01:32:38.690 --> 01:32:40.170
Yes, it's the same struggle.

01:32:40.230 --> 01:32:40.610
Exactly.

01:32:41.450 --> 01:32:43.030
The parallels are just unbelievable.

01:32:43.190 --> 01:32:47.530
Now, I have here a book that has just come
out, John, which utterly fascinates me.

01:32:48.010 --> 01:32:50.730
The title is En Route to Global
Occupation.

01:32:50.730 --> 01:32:57.410
Now, we're hearing a lot about this now,
but I have never seen an author who has

01:32:57.410 --> 01:32:59.950
brought it all together like this author.

01:33:00.410 --> 01:33:04.890
He's a high-ranking government liaison,
and he warns that national sovereignty

01:33:04.890 --> 01:33:06.410
will soon be a thing of the past.

01:33:06.490 --> 01:33:11.270
Now, we know that the Sunday Law will be
extended from country to country around

01:33:11.270 --> 01:33:11.730
the world.

01:33:12.710 --> 01:33:17.010
Political forces around the world are now
cooperating in unprecedented fashion to

01:33:17.010 --> 01:33:20.310
achieve their goal of uniting the people
of this planet under a New World Order.

01:33:20.890 --> 01:33:26.310
Because of his background in government,
Gary Kauff was invited to join the WCPA,

01:33:26.430 --> 01:33:30.610
the World Constitution and Parliament
Association, overseeing the planning and

01:33:30.610 --> 01:33:32.530
implementation of the One World
Government.

01:33:32.630 --> 01:33:37.230
Now, I think it's important, John,
to remember that Rome uses lots of other

01:33:37.230 --> 01:33:39.890
agencies, like you say, to accomplish her
purpose.

01:33:40.190 --> 01:33:44.190
For the skeptical observer, the material
in this book should serve as ample

01:33:44.190 --> 01:33:48.310
evidence that the drive to create a One
World Government is for real, including

01:33:48.310 --> 01:33:51.610
reproductions of the original WCPA
documents.

01:33:51.890 --> 01:33:55.990
The author further demonstrates that there
is an ominous cooperation between the

01:33:55.990 --> 01:33:59.950
globalists who are promoting the One World
Government, the burgeoning New Age groups

01:33:59.950 --> 01:34:01.230
who are promoting a new religion.

01:34:01.990 --> 01:34:07.870
If our countrymen do not begin to resist
this global government, sovereign nations

01:34:07.870 --> 01:34:11.350
will cease to exist and a single global
economic system will be established.

01:34:11.910 --> 01:34:13.050
So he has quite a history.

01:34:13.150 --> 01:34:16.430
The last paragraph deals with his
credentials.

01:34:16.430 --> 01:34:23.750
But he tells of how he had the job in his
government career in the early 1980s of

01:34:23.750 --> 01:34:27.510
going around the world, dealing with
American embassies, foreign government

01:34:27.510 --> 01:34:31.670
officials, international business leaders,
and members of the press and media.

01:34:32.690 --> 01:34:38.570
He became aware in these travels of plans
being laid worldwide for the establishment

01:34:38.570 --> 01:34:43.090
of a One World Government, referred to by
insiders as the New World Order.

01:34:44.390 --> 01:34:48.250
He says most of his insights were gained
over a three-year period as a result of

01:34:48.250 --> 01:34:49.150
several experiences.

01:34:49.690 --> 01:34:52.970
And if he had learned about this from some
person on the streets, he probably would

01:34:52.970 --> 01:34:54.150
have dismissed it as nonsense.

01:34:55.150 --> 01:34:58.730
But because of the circumstances
surrounding his experiences and the

01:34:58.730 --> 01:35:02.650
caliber of the people through whom he
learned of these things, he had to take

01:35:02.650 --> 01:35:03.870
the information seriously.

01:35:04.890 --> 01:35:10.110
And eventually, he began writing a book.

01:35:11.030 --> 01:35:16.010
What triggered the whole thing was he was
overseas, going through a tour of a

01:35:16.010 --> 01:35:21.650
certain facility, and this facility was
planning a major expansion.

01:35:22.330 --> 01:35:26.950
The corporate official in charge of the
tour answered when he was asked why they

01:35:26.950 --> 01:35:28.250
were undergoing this expansion.

01:35:28.250 --> 01:35:32.030
He said, we are one of three companies
being considered by the U.S.

01:35:32.190 --> 01:35:35.910
Treasury Department to build the printing
presses that will be printing the new U.S.

01:35:36.050 --> 01:35:36.370
currency.

01:35:36.850 --> 01:35:41.450
And he says they all looked at each other
and they said, what new U.S.

01:35:41.650 --> 01:35:41.910
currency?

01:35:42.610 --> 01:35:46.790
Here they all were government officials
learning about a planned new currency

01:35:46.790 --> 01:35:49.810
through the grapevine from a private,
non-governmental source.

01:35:50.810 --> 01:35:56.610
Anyway, he began researching, and the
whole thing of world government,

01:35:56.730 --> 01:36:00.410
as we know, goes back to the Tower of
Babel after the Flood.

01:36:00.590 --> 01:36:06.150
Where Satan wanted to have a one world
government where he could control the

01:36:06.150 --> 01:36:08.890
entire world and put it under his
domination.

01:36:08.950 --> 01:36:12.610
And God interrupted it, and I am
absolutely convinced that God is going to

01:36:12.610 --> 01:36:16.950
interrupt this new world order just in its
closing phases with the Second Coming.

01:36:16.950 --> 01:36:17.590
Yes.

01:36:18.250 --> 01:36:23.950
And so, you see, John, what happened with
the mystery religions and the occult was

01:36:23.950 --> 01:36:28.030
they went underground after this
experience of being broken up there.

01:36:28.250 --> 01:36:32.070
And they have carried on in their occult
societies and the mystery religions,

01:36:32.130 --> 01:36:35.370
and much of this made its way into the
Roman Catholic Church, as we know.

01:36:35.370 --> 01:36:37.850
The Roman Catholic Church was a
continuation.

01:36:38.170 --> 01:36:44.550
In fact, the book of Revelation in chapter
13, in describing this leopard-like beast,

01:36:44.650 --> 01:36:46.510
tells us about the different components.

01:36:47.090 --> 01:36:50.490
The beast was like a leopard, and Ellen
White tells us this is the papacy.

01:36:50.970 --> 01:36:55.430
The leopard is the Greek philosophy,
the Greek elements that came into the

01:36:55.430 --> 01:36:55.790
papacy.

01:36:55.910 --> 01:37:01.190
His feet were as the feet of a bear,
Medo-Persia, with its sun worship and that

01:37:01.190 --> 01:37:02.490
dimension of the papacy.

01:37:02.490 --> 01:37:06.230
And his mouth is the mouth of a lion,
the things inherited from ancient Babylon.

01:37:07.550 --> 01:37:13.910
And so, we have the ancient mystery
religions being carried on by the occult

01:37:13.910 --> 01:37:14.670
societies.

01:37:14.890 --> 01:37:23.970
Now, when we come down closer to our time,
many of us have heard about the Illuminati

01:37:23.970 --> 01:37:28.850
that was started on May the 1st in 1776 by
Adam Weishaupt.

01:37:28.850 --> 01:37:33.270
And the Illuminati's desire to have a new
world order.

01:37:33.430 --> 01:37:36.810
Now, how does the Illuminati play into the
hand of the papacy?

01:37:36.990 --> 01:37:39.050
Explain a little more of what the
Illuminati is.

01:37:39.050 --> 01:37:39.770
All right.

01:37:40.050 --> 01:37:45.370
The Illuminati was designed, as Gary Koss
says here, for one purpose, to carry out

01:37:45.370 --> 01:37:50.850
the plans of high free masonry,
to create a new world order by gaining a

01:37:50.850 --> 01:37:56.230
foothold in the key policy-making circles
of European governments and attempting to

01:37:56.230 --> 01:37:59.850
influence the decisions of Europe's
leaders from within through these advisory

01:37:59.850 --> 01:38:00.310
positions.

01:38:00.310 --> 01:38:05.710
So, their idea was to surround government
leaders and government officials with

01:38:05.710 --> 01:38:10.450
masons who would influence them in their
decision-making so that they would

01:38:10.450 --> 01:38:13.010
ultimately be able to obtain a new world
order.

01:38:13.350 --> 01:38:15.390
Now, you mentioned the word masonry.

01:38:15.470 --> 01:38:18.310
Let's talk just a little bit about that
and what Ellen White has to say about

01:38:18.310 --> 01:38:23.830
masonry and all secret societies and labor
unions and things such as this and how it

01:38:23.830 --> 01:38:25.050
plays into the papacy.

01:38:25.050 --> 01:38:28.650
Because I know even in my own church,
Bob, that I have to deal with members of

01:38:28.650 --> 01:38:32.170
my congregation who have been baptized
into this truth, who are members of the

01:38:32.170 --> 01:38:36.870
labor union and they're masons,
and you have to explain this type of

01:38:36.870 --> 01:38:36.990
thing.

01:38:37.010 --> 01:38:40.290
And I believe that many of our Seventh-day
Adventist people are ignorant about the

01:38:40.290 --> 01:38:43.510
counsel that we have received about these
things and how they play right into the

01:38:43.510 --> 01:38:44.710
hand of the Roman papacy.

01:38:46.030 --> 01:38:52.610
You know, I've been hearing for some time,
John, about how the highest levels of the

01:38:52.610 --> 01:38:59.450
Masonic Lodges are controlled by the Roman
Catholic Church.

01:38:59.910 --> 01:39:01.550
Now, the masons are everywhere.

01:39:02.150 --> 01:39:06.310
Even in little towns of 200 members,
one of the biggest buildings in town will

01:39:06.310 --> 01:39:07.650
be the Masonic Lodge.

01:39:08.270 --> 01:39:14.610
And I was astounded, in this book,
to read on page 92, that if a Mason

01:39:14.610 --> 01:39:18.010
decides to advance in the York Rite,
the whole thing is top secret,

01:39:18.470 --> 01:39:24.890
incidentally, and at each stage they vow
to keep secret what they've learned at the

01:39:24.890 --> 01:39:33.070
cost of their life of being torn apart or
various ways of being killed if they

01:39:33.070 --> 01:39:36.790
reveal what they have found out in the
Masonic Order.

01:39:36.790 --> 01:39:44.490
But notice what the last three orders are,
the last three degrees in the York Rite.

01:39:44.950 --> 01:39:49.090
They are the Knight of the Red Cross,
the Knight of Malta, and the Knight's

01:39:49.090 --> 01:39:49.570
Templar.

01:39:50.290 --> 01:39:54.150
Now, we just talked about William Casey,
who was a Knight of Malta.

01:39:54.470 --> 01:39:59.210
And so here we have the highest levels,
and this is the clearest evidence I've

01:39:59.210 --> 01:40:06.770
seen of the tie-in between the papacy...

01:40:06.770 --> 01:40:11.770
and the highest degree of the Masons,
which is the arm of the Roman papacy...

01:40:12.290 --> 01:40:13.570
And he was a Knight of Malta.

01:40:13.850 --> 01:40:17.070
...affiliated with the Jesuits,
and he's leading the CIA, the Central

01:40:17.070 --> 01:40:19.550
Intelligence Agency, for the United States
of America.

01:40:20.610 --> 01:40:21.790
Oh, Bob.

01:40:22.470 --> 01:40:28.990
Okay, John, the early men who led our
nation were concerned about the

01:40:28.990 --> 01:40:29.410
Illuminati.

01:40:29.510 --> 01:40:33.590
In fact, Washington denounced the
Illuminati in two separate letters written

01:40:33.590 --> 01:40:34.790
in 1798.

01:40:34.790 --> 01:40:40.450
And he warned America again against
foreign influence in his farewell address.

01:40:41.170 --> 01:40:47.790
Washington stated that the insidious wiles
of foreign influence...

01:40:48.850 --> 01:40:52.130
the jealousy of a free people ought to be
constantly awake to...

01:40:52.130 --> 01:40:55.430
since history and experience prove that
foreign influence is one of the most

01:40:55.430 --> 01:40:57.870
baneful foes of Republican government.

01:40:58.470 --> 01:41:01.830
He said, I have heard much of the
nefarious and dangerous plan and doctrines

01:41:01.830 --> 01:41:02.570
of the Illuminati.

01:41:02.570 --> 01:41:06.170
It was not my intention to doubt that the
doctrine of the Illuminati and the

01:41:06.170 --> 01:41:11.130
principles of Jacobinism had not spread in
the United States.

01:41:11.890 --> 01:41:20.410
So after the Illuminati were exposed in
the 1780s, the work that they were

01:41:20.410 --> 01:41:24.690
organized to accomplish with the new world
government was carried on by what's called

01:41:24.690 --> 01:41:26.570
Illuminized Masonry.

01:41:26.750 --> 01:41:28.570
In other words, the whole...

01:41:28.570 --> 01:41:29.890
Is that the all-seeing eye?

01:41:29.890 --> 01:41:31.090
Somebody told me...

01:41:31.090 --> 01:41:31.990
Yes, there you have it.

01:41:31.990 --> 01:41:33.650
The occult all-seeing eye.

01:41:33.850 --> 01:41:39.830
That eye at the top of the pyramid on the
back of our one dollar bill, is that the

01:41:39.830 --> 01:41:41.670
all-seeing eye of the Illuminati?

01:41:41.690 --> 01:41:48.570
And the reason the capstone is not on the
pyramid is because it's a recognition that

01:41:48.570 --> 01:41:49.890
it is not complete yet.

01:41:50.250 --> 01:41:52.010
It's in the process of completion.

01:41:52.870 --> 01:41:57.290
All these years, right here on the dollar
bill, and people have no idea what all

01:41:57.290 --> 01:41:58.330
this stuff represents.

01:41:58.330 --> 01:42:03.310
Now what masonry has done is to keep alive
those ancient mystery religions and their

01:42:03.310 --> 01:42:04.170
secret rites.

01:42:05.010 --> 01:42:11.890
And now they are, in early America,
they were working to bring about,

01:42:12.290 --> 01:42:16.590
eventually, in time, they know it's going
to take time, a new world order,

01:42:16.730 --> 01:42:17.770
a world government.

01:42:17.950 --> 01:42:19.550
This is the idea.

01:42:19.650 --> 01:42:20.610
That is so plain.

01:42:20.610 --> 01:42:29.030
Now, the process of accomplishing this
involved economics.

01:42:32.150 --> 01:42:41.510
And President Thomas Jefferson was aware
of a drive in America to bring America's

01:42:41.510 --> 01:42:44.190
banking system under the control of
European forces.

01:42:44.390 --> 01:42:49.450
You see, the Freemasonry brought about the
Napoleonic Revolution in France.

01:42:49.450 --> 01:42:53.330
And they were interested in spreading
their ideas over here to America.

01:42:53.530 --> 01:42:58.310
So Thomas Jefferson said, if the American
people ever allow private banks to control

01:42:58.310 --> 01:43:02.350
the issue of their currency, first by
inflation and then by deflation,

01:43:02.450 --> 01:43:06.170
the banks and the corporations that will
grow up around them will deprive the

01:43:06.170 --> 01:43:09.910
people of all property until their
children wake up homeless on the continent

01:43:09.910 --> 01:43:10.970
their fathers conquered.

01:43:11.150 --> 01:43:17.990
Now let me ask you, John, is our American
economy controlled by a private bank?

01:43:17.990 --> 01:43:19.090
Yes.

01:43:19.690 --> 01:43:20.010
What bank?

01:43:20.170 --> 01:43:21.170
Federal Reserve.

01:43:21.390 --> 01:43:21.810
Federal Reserve.

01:43:21.810 --> 01:43:22.430
There you have it.

01:43:22.830 --> 01:43:29.550
Now, this government liaison demonstrates
in here how the creation of the Federal

01:43:29.550 --> 01:43:35.270
Reserve Act was brought about by the
Masons in this overall plan.

01:43:35.390 --> 01:43:36.730
Now, it's an overall plan.

01:43:37.030 --> 01:43:38.970
It's been taking decades.

01:43:39.130 --> 01:43:43.950
It's been worked gradually toward its
ultimate completion.

01:43:43.950 --> 01:43:48.890
It's a long process and they knew that it
would take a long time.

01:43:49.030 --> 01:43:53.410
Now, Abraham Lincoln strongly resisted
efforts by Illuminist forces to establish

01:43:53.410 --> 01:43:55.170
a privately controlled central bank.

01:43:55.830 --> 01:43:59.470
His foresight and wisdom would prevent the
establishment of such a system for another

01:43:59.470 --> 01:44:00.330
48 years.

01:44:00.790 --> 01:44:04.570
Shortly before he was assassinated,
President Lincoln warned, as a result of

01:44:04.570 --> 01:44:08.450
the war, corporations have been enthroned
and an era of corruption in high places

01:44:08.450 --> 01:44:12.370
will follow and the money power of the
country will endeavor to prolong its reign

01:44:12.370 --> 01:44:16.770
by working on the prejudices of the people
until wealth is aggregated in the hands of

01:44:16.770 --> 01:44:18.410
a few and the republic is destroyed.

01:44:18.670 --> 01:44:22.330
I feel at this moment more anxiety for the
safety of my country than ever before,

01:44:22.450 --> 01:44:24.170
even in the midst of war, he said.

01:44:24.910 --> 01:44:29.590
So, John, the very thing that Thomas
Jefferson feared, that Washington feared,

01:44:29.710 --> 01:44:35.030
and that Lincoln feared, came to pass in
1913 with the establishment of the Federal

01:44:35.030 --> 01:44:35.330
Reserve.

01:44:35.330 --> 01:44:39.690
Now, this book has come out in recent
years, a New York Times bestseller,

01:44:39.890 --> 01:44:43.830
Secrets of the Temple, How the Federal
Reserve Runs the Country.

01:44:46.130 --> 01:44:50.310
And this is considered to be a
groundbreaking bestseller, revealing for

01:44:50.310 --> 01:44:53.650
the first time how the mighty and
mysterious Federal Reserve operates and

01:44:53.650 --> 01:44:57.910
how it manipulated and transformed both
the American economy and the world during

01:44:57.910 --> 01:44:59.610
the last eight crucial years.

01:44:59.730 --> 01:45:03.790
Based on extensive interviews with all the
major players, Secrets of the Temple takes

01:45:03.790 --> 01:45:07.870
us inside the government institution that
is in some ways more secretive than the

01:45:07.870 --> 01:45:11.890
CIA and more powerful than the President
or Congress.

01:45:13.350 --> 01:45:16.330
And yet, they're not elected people that
serve on it.

01:45:16.370 --> 01:45:19.650
It's completely outside the democratic
process in our country.

01:45:20.330 --> 01:45:25.910
And the very thing that the Masons wanted
to do, they accomplished in 1913.

01:45:26.130 --> 01:45:29.310
And we're having to grapple with it in our
day.

01:45:29.310 --> 01:45:35.990
Now, coming down in time, the Council on
Foreign Relations was established in our

01:45:35.990 --> 01:45:36.410
country.

01:45:37.350 --> 01:45:43.890
Established by the same type of Masonic
influence which established the Federal

01:45:43.890 --> 01:45:44.390
Reserve.

01:45:45.430 --> 01:45:54.350
And the Council on Foreign Relations is
the powerful organization which,

01:45:54.930 --> 01:45:58.970
if we just look at some of the directors,
we get an idea of the power of this

01:45:58.970 --> 01:45:59.710
organization.

01:46:00.670 --> 01:46:06.770
Walter Lippmann, Adlai Stevenson,
Cyrus Vance, Zbigniew Brzezinski,

01:46:07.950 --> 01:46:08.730
Robert O.

01:46:08.850 --> 01:46:13.770
Anderson, Paul Volcker, who used to head
the Federal Reserve, Theodore M.

01:46:14.150 --> 01:46:20.750
Hessberg, Lane Kirkland, who was in the
unions, as I recall, George H.W.

01:46:20.850 --> 01:46:25.690
Bush, Henry Kissinger, David Rockefeller,
George Shultz, Alan Greenspan,

01:46:25.870 --> 01:46:26.490
who currently heads it up.

01:46:26.490 --> 01:46:29.470
I was going to say Greenspan, I said
Greenspan's got to be in on that too.

01:46:29.770 --> 01:46:34.510
He is the highest ranking economist in the
United States, the one that everybody goes

01:46:34.510 --> 01:46:34.730
to.

01:46:34.950 --> 01:46:39.990
Brent Scowcroft, Gene Kirkpatrick,
and Richard B.

01:46:40.430 --> 01:46:44.090
Cheney, who was, we saw him a lot during
the Kuwait War.

01:46:44.190 --> 01:46:45.790
Recognized so many of those names.

01:46:45.910 --> 01:46:50.550
Yes, and the most powerful man in the
Council on Foreign Relations has been

01:46:50.550 --> 01:46:51.430
David Rockefeller.

01:46:51.430 --> 01:46:59.610
But you see, their effort was to establish
the United Nations, to bring the United

01:46:59.610 --> 01:47:01.390
States into the United Nations.

01:47:01.650 --> 01:47:05.910
When the United States did not go into the
League of Nations, there was a major

01:47:05.910 --> 01:47:08.790
setback for aluminized masonry.

01:47:09.550 --> 01:47:12.790
And so they decided to take a little
different attack.

01:47:12.910 --> 01:47:17.990
And this time, the Council on Foreign
Relations, which overwhelmingly

01:47:17.990 --> 01:47:22.570
propagandizes the global concept,
made it much more convenient for the

01:47:22.570 --> 01:47:26.450
United States by establishing the United
Nations on United States soil.

01:47:27.310 --> 01:47:33.770
And so that stage began developing with
the United Nations.

01:47:34.010 --> 01:47:38.510
Now we know what role the United Nations
played in the Kuwait scenario,

01:47:39.030 --> 01:47:42.650
and the overall picture of a new world
order.

01:47:43.450 --> 01:47:45.570
But Bob, we can see...

01:47:45.570 --> 01:47:51.290
Okay, so all this has happened in our
country, and our governmental leadership

01:47:51.290 --> 01:48:01.990
has caved into this, or been led as the
Pied Piper led the rats out of the city,

01:48:02.830 --> 01:48:04.710
into all of this stuff of the Jesuits.

01:48:04.750 --> 01:48:08.670
But what does that have to do with the
Seventh-day Adventist corporation?

01:48:09.250 --> 01:48:10.830
We'll come to that in a little bit.

01:48:10.930 --> 01:48:12.530
You're laying the foundation.

01:48:12.530 --> 01:48:16.330
No, we have to know what's happening
strategically in the whole world,

01:48:16.470 --> 01:48:20.810
and then we'll see what is happening
within our church.

01:48:21.050 --> 01:48:22.750
For instance, here's study number 7.

01:48:22.830 --> 01:48:24.250
This is page 33 of this book.

01:48:24.690 --> 01:48:28.890
A Council on Foreign Relations position
paper published on November 25th,

01:48:28.910 --> 01:48:29.570
1959.

01:48:30.410 --> 01:48:33.850
The CFR stated that its purpose was to
advocate the building of a new

01:48:33.850 --> 01:48:38.150
international order, which may be
responsible to world aspirations for

01:48:38.150 --> 01:48:40.850
peace, and for social and economic change.

01:48:40.850 --> 01:48:44.750
An international order including states
labeling themselves as socialist or

01:48:44.750 --> 01:48:45.130
communist.

01:48:45.650 --> 01:48:49.950
The term new world order, or new
international order, has been used

01:48:49.950 --> 01:48:54.110
privately by the CFR since its inception
to describe the coming world government.

01:48:54.830 --> 01:48:59.330
However, since the fall of 1990,
the Council on Foreign Relations members

01:48:59.330 --> 01:49:03.630
have for the first time begun using the
term publicly to condition the public for

01:49:03.630 --> 01:49:04.610
what lies ahead.

01:49:04.990 --> 01:49:07.370
You notice how we started hearing that a
lot in 1990.

01:49:07.370 --> 01:49:12.050
If the American people hear the term often
enough before the world government is

01:49:12.050 --> 01:49:15.670
formed, it is hoped they will be less
likely to resist the effort or feel

01:49:15.670 --> 01:49:17.650
threatened by it when that day arrives.

01:49:17.730 --> 01:49:18.990
It's happened the same way with
celebration.

01:49:19.110 --> 01:49:23.990
Some places you have the celebration term
for years before the actual thing comes

01:49:23.990 --> 01:49:24.130
in.

01:49:24.150 --> 01:49:28.910
Our church was conditioned with that term
by magazines, by periodicals that's

01:49:28.910 --> 01:49:33.070
showing up everywhere in the Sabbath
school lesson, in the guides, in the

01:49:33.070 --> 01:49:34.730
Insight, in the Adventist Review.

01:49:34.730 --> 01:49:38.850
We were seeing celebration everywhere
because our people had to be conditioned

01:49:38.850 --> 01:49:41.010
to accept the term.

01:49:41.190 --> 01:49:41.310
Right.

01:49:41.790 --> 01:49:43.930
And that's exactly what's happening on a
global basis.

01:49:44.490 --> 01:49:49.130
See, in the book of Revelation,
the global picture is there.

01:49:49.630 --> 01:49:53.250
The new world order, it should be
explained, is an expression that has been

01:49:53.250 --> 01:49:56.450
used by Illuminized Freemasonry since the
days of Weishaupt.

01:49:56.510 --> 01:49:58.210
He's the one that established the
Illuminati.

01:49:58.250 --> 01:49:58.470
Right.

01:49:58.750 --> 01:50:03.150
To signify the coming world government
over which the Antichrist would come to

01:50:03.150 --> 01:50:04.630
rule once it had been built.

01:50:04.630 --> 01:50:09.430
One of Illuminized Freemasonry's secret
symbols portraying this message was placed

01:50:09.430 --> 01:50:12.690
on the back of our dollar bill during the
administration of Franklin D.

01:50:12.970 --> 01:50:13.030
Roosevelt.

01:50:13.850 --> 01:50:17.090
Roosevelt was himself a 33rd degree Mason.

01:50:17.330 --> 01:50:17.750
I've heard that.

01:50:18.670 --> 01:50:22.490
Now, it's my understanding from the 33rd
degree on up, the Roman Catholic Church

01:50:22.490 --> 01:50:23.670
controls the Masons.

01:50:23.810 --> 01:50:28.730
You see, this is very fascinating because
here you have an organization which most

01:50:28.730 --> 01:50:30.250
people think is anti-Catholic.

01:50:31.030 --> 01:50:35.870
And people from the Protestant churches
and the world at large join this.

01:50:36.010 --> 01:50:40.350
They want to be in with the club or the
group in their locale.

01:50:40.550 --> 01:50:44.270
Now, the Catholic equivalent to this is
the Knights of Columbus, right?

01:50:44.630 --> 01:50:49.570
The Knights of Columbus are a special
order designed to bring America under the

01:50:49.570 --> 01:50:51.010
control of the papacy.

01:50:51.010 --> 01:51:00.770
In fact, John, a year or two ago,
I got a three-volume set on the Knights of

01:51:00.770 --> 01:51:02.490
Columbus put out by the Roman Catholic
Church.

01:51:02.710 --> 01:51:07.810
And in the first few pages, it stated that
one of the primary goals of the Knights of

01:51:07.810 --> 01:51:13.190
Columbus was to change the history books
in America to reflect the Roman Catholic

01:51:13.190 --> 01:51:13.950
concept of history.

01:51:13.950 --> 01:51:15.010
You are kidding me.

01:51:15.350 --> 01:51:17.490
They come right out and say that?

01:51:17.550 --> 01:51:18.190
Yes, it's right in the beginning.

01:51:18.190 --> 01:51:22.710
See, this is exactly what I deal with in
my evangelistic series when we deal with

01:51:22.710 --> 01:51:24.010
all of this stuff about the papacy.

01:51:24.290 --> 01:51:26.570
I say, folks, you won't find this in your
history books.

01:51:26.750 --> 01:51:29.830
It's been strangely, it's been expunged
for the last 20, 30 years out of our

01:51:29.830 --> 01:51:30.270
history books.

01:51:30.370 --> 01:51:31.830
And our history books have been changed.

01:51:31.970 --> 01:51:36.510
But I never realized that this is just
blatantly endorsed by the Knights of

01:51:36.510 --> 01:51:40.050
Columbus that this is what they have set
out to do is to change our history books.

01:51:40.070 --> 01:51:40.910
One of the major objectives.

01:51:41.750 --> 01:51:43.270
I mean, they are just so crass.

01:51:43.910 --> 01:51:45.370
I mean, they are just right out in the
open.

01:51:45.450 --> 01:51:48.170
They don't even try to hide what they are
out to do.

01:51:48.170 --> 01:51:52.210
Now, we'll see how all that ties in with
the Masons and the New Age movement

01:51:52.210 --> 01:51:52.950
shortly here.

01:51:54.190 --> 01:51:58.730
Roosevelt was a 33rd degree Mason and a
close associate of the Council on Foreign

01:51:58.730 --> 01:51:59.150
Relations.

01:51:59.370 --> 01:52:02.810
The Masonic symbol consists of a pyramid
with the all-seeing eye of a cirrus or

01:52:02.810 --> 01:52:03.610
bale above it.

01:52:04.070 --> 01:52:08.370
Underneath the pyramid is written Novus
Ordo Seclorum, which means the New Order

01:52:08.370 --> 01:52:10.450
of the Ages or the New World Order in
Latin.

01:52:11.750 --> 01:52:15.310
The symbol was designed by Masonic
interests and became the official reverse

01:52:15.310 --> 01:52:18.090
side of the Great Seal of the United
States in 1782.

01:52:19.570 --> 01:52:24.970
And then, of course, 150 years later,
it was put on our $1 Federal Reserve note.

01:52:26.090 --> 01:52:29.550
At the time the seal was designed,
the New World Order was still in the early

01:52:29.550 --> 01:52:32.370
stages of being built and was not yet
complete.

01:52:32.530 --> 01:52:35.830
This is symbolized by the capstone being
separated from the rest of the pyramid.

01:52:35.830 --> 01:52:39.970
However, once the New World Order has been
built and the One World Government is in

01:52:39.970 --> 01:52:43.670
place, the capstone will be joined to the
rest of the pyramid, symbolizing the

01:52:43.670 --> 01:52:44.750
completion of the task.

01:52:49.410 --> 01:52:55.570
Now, incidentally, this Gary Caugh came
across, after he went to a speaking

01:52:55.570 --> 01:52:59.990
appointment, he came across an old lady
who came up to him after he spoke at a

01:52:59.990 --> 01:53:00.530
certain meeting.

01:53:00.530 --> 01:53:06.590
And she said, I have been gathering books
on the Masons from widows of Masons who

01:53:06.590 --> 01:53:08.890
have died for 20 years.

01:53:09.070 --> 01:53:10.150
Would you be interested?

01:53:10.810 --> 01:53:13.490
And so he spent months and months going
through.

01:53:14.050 --> 01:53:17.730
I mean, he really delved into this
material.

01:53:20.010 --> 01:53:24.490
Now, dropping down, the goal of the
Council of Foreign Relations was to

01:53:24.490 --> 01:53:29.330
influence all aspects of society in such a
way that one day Americans would wake up

01:53:29.330 --> 01:53:33.270
and find themselves in the midst of a
one-world system, whether they liked it or

01:53:33.270 --> 01:53:33.590
not.

01:53:34.090 --> 01:53:37.730
Their hope was to get Americans to the
point where entering a world government

01:53:37.730 --> 01:53:41.670
would seem as natural and American as
baseball and apple pie.

01:53:41.810 --> 01:53:43.370
How many years have they been trying to do
this?

01:53:44.630 --> 01:53:45.490
200 years?

01:53:46.230 --> 01:53:48.370
Since the Masons have been working on it,
sure.

01:53:49.070 --> 01:53:51.510
It's been right here on our $1 bill the
whole time.

01:53:51.510 --> 01:53:56.650
I had no idea that these Latin words on
the back were...

01:53:56.650 --> 01:53:57.470
New World Order.

01:53:57.590 --> 01:53:58.510
New World Order.

01:53:58.510 --> 01:53:59.090
New Order of the Ages.

01:53:59.250 --> 01:54:01.130
New Order of the Ages or New World Order.

01:54:01.190 --> 01:54:04.130
Right there, printed in Latin,
right on the back of our dollar bill.

01:54:04.730 --> 01:54:06.330
You can see their strategy.

01:54:06.710 --> 01:54:09.930
You can see what the Jesuit agenda has
been for hundreds of years now.

01:54:10.770 --> 01:54:14.430
The Jesuits' planned strategy,
they are the military strategists and they

01:54:14.430 --> 01:54:16.210
use other orders to accomplish it.

01:54:16.210 --> 01:54:17.530
Their goals.

01:54:18.390 --> 01:54:21.890
And it's not hard to imagine that they
would use the Knights of Malta,

01:54:22.050 --> 01:54:27.210
who are in the highest echelons of the
York Rite of the Masonic Order.

01:54:27.750 --> 01:54:33.050
You see, the thing that is coming as such
a shock to our people is that we expect

01:54:33.050 --> 01:54:38.550
our nation to do this, but we never
expected the Conference to do this.

01:54:38.610 --> 01:54:41.790
We never expected our church leadership to
do this.

01:54:41.790 --> 01:54:46.130
We never expected the Seventh-day
Adventist Corporation to be a part of

01:54:46.130 --> 01:54:46.430
this.

01:54:46.710 --> 01:54:51.850
That's what's absolutely blowing away our
Adventist people is to see how that our

01:54:51.850 --> 01:54:54.310
church leadership is now a part of this.

01:54:54.590 --> 01:54:59.350
Well, there's a lot more to come on this,
John, and how the things that are coming

01:54:59.350 --> 01:55:03.610
in in our ranks are all part of this
overall picture.

01:55:04.150 --> 01:55:08.410
The Council on Foreign Relations control
of the State Department ensured the U.S.

01:55:08.510 --> 01:55:10.690
membership in the United Nations following
the war.

01:55:10.690 --> 01:55:16.370
And so see how it goes step by step,
stage by stage.

01:55:17.430 --> 01:55:20.250
And then the U.N.

01:55:20.270 --> 01:55:27.910
was established in 1945, and we have other
groups now that began asserting themselves

01:55:27.910 --> 01:55:30.150
toward a new world order.

01:55:30.790 --> 01:55:36.490
The Bilderbergers is one group,
approximately 100 power elite from the

01:55:36.490 --> 01:55:37.670
member nations of NATO.

01:55:37.670 --> 01:55:41.870
Its membership is interlocked with that of
the Council on Foreign Relations.

01:55:42.690 --> 01:55:44.510
Incidentally, this is all documented in
this book.

01:55:44.590 --> 01:55:46.430
I'm reading from page 38.

01:55:49.390 --> 01:55:56.330
The Trilateral Commission was an offspring
of the Council on Foreign Relations.

01:55:56.790 --> 01:56:02.550
The Bilderbergers, the Club of Rome,
each designed to carry out a specific task

01:56:02.550 --> 01:56:05.850
within the broader mission of establishing
a new world order.

01:56:05.850 --> 01:56:10.670
So here the Council on Foreign Relations
is a springboard for the Bilderbergers,

01:56:11.070 --> 01:56:14.670
who would be a NATO element working for a
new world order.

01:56:14.770 --> 01:56:20.190
The Club of Rome and the Trilateral
Commission all were to each have their own

01:56:20.190 --> 01:56:21.190
specific tasks.

01:56:21.330 --> 01:56:25.690
The creation of these new organizations
would represent a mere restructuring of

01:56:25.690 --> 01:56:29.550
the one world political hierarchy,
which is always changing, revising,

01:56:29.710 --> 01:56:33.170
adapting itself to current situations to
further its agenda.

01:56:33.170 --> 01:56:37.150
Now notice that the hierarchy,
among other things, had called for world

01:56:37.150 --> 01:56:40.690
government to be achieved in stages
through the forming of world

01:56:40.690 --> 01:56:42.050
administrative regions.

01:56:42.510 --> 01:56:44.470
This is in accordance with the UN Charter.

01:56:45.250 --> 01:56:49.750
And the countries of the world would be
merged into several regions to break down

01:56:49.750 --> 01:56:51.750
concepts of national sovereignty.

01:56:52.310 --> 01:56:56.130
Now, I want to get a book here,
if we haven't brought it over already,

01:56:56.370 --> 01:56:56.690
John.

01:56:56.690 --> 01:57:00.730
So what you're saying is that what they
are trying to do is to break down

01:57:00.730 --> 01:57:06.890
individual loyalties to our countries and
just give regions of the world and break

01:57:06.890 --> 01:57:12.290
down this fierce patriotism that each of
us have for our individual countries.

01:57:12.430 --> 01:57:14.070
They have to do away with that first.

01:57:14.470 --> 01:57:17.290
And isn't that this... oh, I'm probably
getting ahead of you.

01:57:17.470 --> 01:57:20.390
But isn't this the same concept that
they're trying to use now with churches?

01:57:20.390 --> 01:57:25.890
This loyalty to our churches, to where
we're just all one big church all together

01:57:25.890 --> 01:57:29.990
under the banner of Christ and get away
from these individual doctrines and just

01:57:29.990 --> 01:57:31.250
all come together in unity.

01:57:31.390 --> 01:57:33.510
That's exactly what they're trying to do
in the world.

01:57:34.110 --> 01:57:39.530
Malachi Martin brings out how John Paul's
second strategy is to eliminate these

01:57:39.530 --> 01:57:44.290
national boundaries and create a one world
government under the control of the

01:57:44.290 --> 01:57:44.290
papacy.

01:57:44.290 --> 01:57:46.290
And they've got to do the same thing with
the church.

01:57:46.290 --> 01:57:50.610
Get away from all these boundaries of the
different churches and different doctrines

01:57:50.610 --> 01:57:52.090
and just come together in unity.

01:57:52.550 --> 01:57:54.610
Exactly the same Jesuit concept.

01:57:55.390 --> 01:57:55.510
Right.

01:57:55.830 --> 01:57:59.930
Now, the overriding purpose of the
Bilderbergers, like its sister

01:57:59.930 --> 01:58:02.670
organizations, the Council on Foreign
Relations and the United Nations,

01:58:02.750 --> 01:58:05.290
is the establishment of a world
government.

01:58:07.590 --> 01:58:11.790
And the Club of Rome is another
interesting aspect of this.

01:58:12.610 --> 01:58:16.270
Another organization that has drawn a high
percentage of its members from the Council

01:58:16.270 --> 01:58:18.170
on Foreign Relations is the Club of Rome.

01:58:18.630 --> 01:58:22.890
It claims to be an informal organization
of less than 100 people who are,

01:58:22.930 --> 01:58:26.050
in their own words, scientists,
educators, economists, humanists,

01:58:26.170 --> 01:58:29.490
industrials, national and international
civil servants.

01:58:30.170 --> 01:58:33.410
Included among these have been the members
of the Rockefeller family.

01:58:33.930 --> 01:58:38.150
The Club of Rome has been charged with the
task of overseeing the regionalization and

01:58:38.150 --> 01:58:40.330
unification of the entire world.

01:58:40.330 --> 01:58:45.430
The Club could therefore be said to be one
step above the Bilderbergers in the

01:58:45.430 --> 01:58:46.370
one-world hierarchy.

01:58:47.370 --> 01:58:51.530
The Club of Rome's founder, Peccei,
has been a close associate of the

01:58:51.530 --> 01:58:52.130
Bilderbergers.

01:58:52.210 --> 01:58:56.230
As far as I have been able to determine,
says Gary Caw, most of the directives for

01:58:56.230 --> 01:59:00.170
the planning of the world government are
presently coming from the Club of Rome.

01:59:00.750 --> 01:59:06.830
Now notice the document here that the Club
released, entitled Regionalized and

01:59:06.830 --> 01:59:12.250
Adaptive Model of the Global World System,
prepared by the Club of Rome's members,

01:59:12.930 --> 01:59:17.730
reveals that the Club has divided the
world into ten political economic regions,

01:59:18.010 --> 01:59:19.590
which it refers to as kingdoms.

01:59:19.950 --> 01:59:21.830
Now I thought that was fascinating.

01:59:22.090 --> 01:59:23.250
What if I heard something like that?

01:59:23.610 --> 01:59:24.510
Revelation 17.

01:59:24.790 --> 01:59:25.670
Revelation 17?

01:59:25.690 --> 01:59:29.770
Because it says there they have not yet
received the status of kingdoms.

01:59:29.890 --> 01:59:29.990
Sure, okay.

01:59:30.010 --> 01:59:30.390
As yet.

01:59:31.810 --> 01:59:33.350
The Trilateral Commission.

01:59:35.050 --> 01:59:38.690
During the 50s and 60s, the same
congressional leaders who had been

01:59:38.690 --> 01:59:43.430
campaigning against the Federal Reserve
System began to expose the Council on

01:59:43.430 --> 01:59:48.690
Foreign Relations, and then eventually
they found out about the Trilateral

01:59:48.690 --> 01:59:49.210
Commission.

01:59:49.430 --> 01:59:56.710
Now the Trilateral Commission is a
three-based, trilaterally-based system,

01:59:57.150 --> 02:00:03.070
which has the United States as one base,
Europe as another, and Japan as another.

02:00:03.070 --> 02:00:07.430
Now their job is to interlock the nations
economically.

02:00:08.410 --> 02:00:09.990
Which has already happened.

02:00:10.190 --> 02:00:11.410
All right, and what happened?

02:00:11.810 --> 02:00:13.090
I mean, how did it happen?

02:00:13.730 --> 02:00:19.370
They used the Arabs to create the oil
crisis.

02:00:19.530 --> 02:00:21.230
Remember that in the early 70s?

02:00:21.310 --> 02:00:21.970
Sure, 72, 73.

02:00:22.730 --> 02:00:25.830
All right, and there was an oil embargo.

02:00:25.990 --> 02:00:30.450
Now you could say, well, you know,
the Islamic philosophy or Islamic religion

02:00:30.450 --> 02:00:34.050
brought all of the Arabs together to do
this.

02:00:34.150 --> 02:00:36.750
But it had never been able to accomplish
that before for them.

02:00:36.870 --> 02:00:41.650
But the Rockefellers could, through the
Council on Foreign Relations and the

02:00:41.650 --> 02:00:42.710
Trilateral Commission.

02:00:43.530 --> 02:00:48.470
They were able to induce the Arabs to have
an oil embargo.

02:00:48.770 --> 02:00:53.730
And at the same time, the Japanese had the
small cars ready to go, and Americans

02:00:53.730 --> 02:00:54.870
bought the small cars.

02:00:54.870 --> 02:01:02.230
And thus, as Gary Kahn points out here,
the interlocking of the world economically

02:01:02.230 --> 02:01:09.970
took place at a far faster rate than any
of the people who had engineered this ever

02:01:09.970 --> 02:01:10.530
dreamed.

02:01:11.110 --> 02:01:15.850
The globalists never thought that it would
happen as fast as it did.

02:01:16.050 --> 02:01:19.290
The purpose of the Trilateral Commission
would be to promote world government by

02:01:19.290 --> 02:01:23.050
encouraging economic interdependence among
the superpowers.

02:01:23.050 --> 02:01:26.290
Now, just look at what we hear on the news
all the time.

02:01:28.090 --> 02:01:28.610
Interdependence.

02:01:28.830 --> 02:01:30.050
Economic interdependence.

02:01:30.750 --> 02:01:32.870
We're hearing that term all the time now.

02:01:33.430 --> 02:01:36.490
Steering the economies of the member
nations into a position where they would

02:01:36.490 --> 02:01:40.790
be completely intertwined, the Trilateral
Commission augments the regionalization

02:01:40.790 --> 02:01:44.570
efforts of its sister organizations,
the Bilderbergers and the Club of Rome.

02:01:45.270 --> 02:01:49.330
Rockefeller's main accomplice in this
endeavor would be Zbigniew Brzezinski,

02:01:49.330 --> 02:01:53.490
who drafted the Commission's charter and
went on to become the organization's first

02:01:53.490 --> 02:01:53.810
director.

02:01:53.930 --> 02:01:55.270
Incidentally, this is page 45.

02:01:55.670 --> 02:01:57.230
It's all footnoted here.

02:01:57.230 --> 02:01:59.710
Now, isn't Brzezinski the one that was in
the Carter administration?

02:02:00.430 --> 02:02:00.430
Yes.

02:02:00.430 --> 02:02:00.650
Sure.

02:02:00.810 --> 02:02:03.670
Brzezinski, who would later become Jimmy
Carter's national security advisor,

02:02:03.910 --> 02:02:06.650
wrote several books detailing his
worldview.

02:02:07.530 --> 02:02:08.910
That is the security advisor.

02:02:09.110 --> 02:02:09.470
Oh, boy.

02:02:09.470 --> 02:02:09.750
Yes.

02:02:09.990 --> 02:02:13.910
In one of these books, entitled Between
Two Ages, written in 1970, Brzezinski

02:02:13.910 --> 02:02:18.610
calls for a new international monetary
system and prepares the reader for the

02:02:18.610 --> 02:02:20.550
acceptance of a global taxation system.

02:02:21.090 --> 02:02:26.050
Do you see God holding back the four winds
of strife, Bob, until the servants of God

02:02:26.050 --> 02:02:27.070
are sealed in their forehead?

02:02:27.210 --> 02:02:28.710
Don't you see that taking place?

02:02:28.810 --> 02:02:31.530
That all of this was in place,
could have happened years ago,

02:02:31.630 --> 02:02:35.910
but God has been holding back the winds of
strife for His people to be sealed.

02:02:36.110 --> 02:02:42.850
And God is pleading and God is using all
of these, you know, people like you and I

02:02:42.850 --> 02:02:47.570
and the independent ministries that are
willing to stand up and be counted and to

02:02:47.570 --> 02:02:49.810
shake our people and say, Wake up!

02:02:50.030 --> 02:02:53.350
Don't you see that it's time for God's
people to be sealed in their foreheads?

02:02:53.490 --> 02:02:57.550
We are going to make the decision of
either being eternally saved or eternally

02:02:57.550 --> 02:02:58.790
lost at this moment.

02:02:59.410 --> 02:03:00.190
That's right.

02:03:00.650 --> 02:03:01.350
That's right.

02:03:01.410 --> 02:03:07.250
Now, Brzezinski, interestingly,
favored the writings of the French Jesuit

02:03:07.250 --> 02:03:08.930
priest Teilhard de Chardin.

02:03:08.930 --> 02:03:11.830
Now, we talked about him in our Jesuit
agenda.

02:03:11.830 --> 02:03:15.470
One, he is the most influential figure in
the New Age movement.

02:03:15.610 --> 02:03:17.310
Deceased now, but his writings live on.

02:03:19.310 --> 02:03:27.030
And Brzezinski was very interested in
Teilhard's message, and the Trilateral

02:03:27.030 --> 02:03:31.810
Commission became a virtual carbon copy of
the Council on Foreign Relations.

02:03:32.850 --> 02:03:37.450
So by the 70s and 80s, the Council on
Foreign Relations and the Trilateral

02:03:37.450 --> 02:03:41.630
Commission had become exceedingly powerful
in our government affairs.

02:03:42.050 --> 02:03:44.750
It had become impossible or difficult to
ignore.

02:03:45.450 --> 02:03:50.350
And Congressman Larry McDonald took the
matter before Congress on February 4,

02:03:50.490 --> 02:03:55.250
1981, calling for a comprehensive
congressional investigation of the Council

02:03:55.250 --> 02:04:00.510
on Foreign Relations and the Trilateral
Commission, following up Resolution 773 of

02:04:00.510 --> 02:04:04.310
the American Legion, which urged Congress
to investigate these organizations to

02:04:04.310 --> 02:04:05.690
determine their influence on U.S.

02:04:05.750 --> 02:04:06.130
policy.

02:04:08.410 --> 02:04:10.990
Do you remember Korean Airlines 007?

02:04:11.170 --> 02:04:11.630
Well, sure.

02:04:11.790 --> 02:04:12.930
When the Russians shot it down?

02:04:13.590 --> 02:04:15.910
Do you know what the Congressman's name
was that was on board?

02:04:17.070 --> 02:04:23.610
Oh, I don't remember his name,
but I remember hearing that he was in the

02:04:23.610 --> 02:04:25.550
middle of some investigation or something.

02:04:25.570 --> 02:04:26.070
That was it.

02:04:26.370 --> 02:04:27.390
That was the investigation.

02:04:27.990 --> 02:04:32.590
He did everything humanly possible to
expose the plot right up until his death

02:04:32.590 --> 02:04:34.690
aboard the Korean airliner in 1983.

02:04:35.750 --> 02:04:37.390
The 007 McDonald.

02:04:37.950 --> 02:04:39.590
Oh, that was Larry McDonald that was
killed?

02:04:40.130 --> 02:04:40.570
Oh!

02:04:41.390 --> 02:04:45.330
See, he was pushing for an investigation
on the Council on Foreign Relations and

02:04:45.330 --> 02:04:47.790
the Trilateral Commission.

02:04:48.170 --> 02:04:52.230
The 007 accident backfired on the
establishment as it set off a wave of

02:04:52.230 --> 02:04:53.590
repulsion at the state level.

02:04:53.590 --> 02:04:57.650
People were infuriated by McDonald's death
and the failure of the media to even

02:04:57.650 --> 02:05:00.050
mention the fact that he had been exposing
a conspiracy.

02:05:00.910 --> 02:05:04.530
Those who were aware that the battle was
being waged behind the scenes began to

02:05:04.530 --> 02:05:06.470
apply pressure on Congress to take action.

02:05:07.830 --> 02:05:14.690
On April 3rd of 1985, the Indiana House of
Representatives introduced Resolution 19,

02:05:15.030 --> 02:05:18.510
calling for a comprehensive investigation
of the Trilateral Commission and the

02:05:18.510 --> 02:05:21.970
Council on Foreign Relations pursuant to
the efforts of Larry McDonald.

02:05:21.970 --> 02:05:27.050
But there was no media coverage on all of
this to speak of.

02:05:27.650 --> 02:05:32.410
And since McDonald's death, Jesse Helms
has become the most outspoken critic of

02:05:32.410 --> 02:05:33.230
these organizations.

02:05:34.090 --> 02:05:39.590
And he stated in one of his speeches,
Mr. President, a careful examination of

02:05:39.590 --> 02:05:43.350
what is happening behind the scenes
reveals that all of these interests are

02:05:43.350 --> 02:05:47.030
working in concert with the masters of the
Kremlin in order to create what some refer

02:05:47.030 --> 02:05:48.170
to as a New World Order.

02:05:48.170 --> 02:05:52.410
Private organizations such as the Council
on Foreign Relations, the Royal Institute

02:05:52.410 --> 02:05:56.090
of International Affairs, the Trilateral
Commission, the Dartmouth Conference,

02:05:56.250 --> 02:05:59.510
the Aspen Institute for Humanistic
Studies, the Atlantic Institute,

02:05:59.610 --> 02:06:03.250
and the Bilderberger Group serve to
disseminate and coordinate the plans for

02:06:03.250 --> 02:06:06.750
this so-called New World Order in powerful
business, financial, academic,

02:06:06.870 --> 02:06:08.330
and official circles.

02:06:09.190 --> 02:06:13.290
And he said, the principal instrument of
this control over the American economy and

02:06:13.290 --> 02:06:14.950
money is the Federal Reserve System.

02:06:15.430 --> 02:06:18.530
It was quite a speech, and I'm only citing
a few...

02:06:18.530 --> 02:06:19.630
This is Jesse Helms' speech?

02:06:19.630 --> 02:06:20.810
Jesse Helms, yes.

02:06:20.910 --> 02:06:23.450
So he kind of took up the torch.

02:06:24.190 --> 02:06:31.630
He said that we are on the road to
economic concentration and political

02:06:31.630 --> 02:06:32.410
slavery.

02:06:32.770 --> 02:06:34.630
Now he's the senator from North Carolina,
right?

02:06:34.750 --> 02:06:35.470
I think that's it.

02:06:35.570 --> 02:06:35.730
Yeah.

02:06:36.810 --> 02:06:40.990
All right, in the next chapter,
Gary Kahn deals with America's shadow

02:06:40.990 --> 02:06:41.430
government.

02:06:41.430 --> 02:06:42.730
He says, every U.S.

02:06:42.890 --> 02:06:46.890
ambassador to NATO has been a member of
the Council of Foreign Relations or the

02:06:46.890 --> 02:06:47.850
Trilateral Commission.

02:06:48.330 --> 02:06:51.070
Our national defense has been dominated by
these people.

02:06:51.610 --> 02:06:52.430
Every U.S.

02:06:52.550 --> 02:06:56.230
defense secretary of the past 35 years,
with the exception of Clark Clifford,

02:06:56.610 --> 02:06:59.970
either belonged to the Council on Foreign
Relations or the Trilateral Commission.

02:07:00.450 --> 02:07:04.330
The Defense Department has been under the
control of this.

02:07:04.410 --> 02:07:08.950
Every Supreme Allied commander in Europe
has been a member of the CFR or the TC.

02:07:10.090 --> 02:07:14.170
He goes on and lists one department after
another of our government.

02:07:14.290 --> 02:07:16.810
The Treasury Department, the Federal
Reserve.

02:07:17.590 --> 02:07:18.850
The list goes on and on.

02:07:19.490 --> 02:07:23.730
And virtually every area of the military
is dominated by members of the Council on

02:07:23.730 --> 02:07:24.590
Foreign Relations.

02:07:27.270 --> 02:07:31.930
Then he lists the last nine presidents
with their organizational affiliations.

02:07:32.110 --> 02:07:32.590
Franklin D.

02:07:32.690 --> 02:07:33.810
Roosevelt, Masonic Lodge.

02:07:33.890 --> 02:07:34.290
Harry S.

02:07:34.330 --> 02:07:35.430
Truman, Masonic Lodge.

02:07:36.310 --> 02:07:37.430
JFK, CFR.

02:07:38.110 --> 02:07:39.010
Lyndon B.

02:07:39.090 --> 02:07:41.230
Johnson, Masonic Lodge.

02:07:41.350 --> 02:07:41.810
Richard M.

02:07:41.870 --> 02:07:43.170
Nixon, Council on Foreign Relations.

02:07:43.310 --> 02:07:43.790
Gerald R.

02:07:43.870 --> 02:07:46.670
Ford, Jr., Masonic Lodge and Council on
Foreign Relations.

02:07:47.050 --> 02:07:47.770
James E.

02:07:47.810 --> 02:07:50.450
Carter, Jr., Council on Foreign Relations,
Trilateral Commission.

02:07:50.590 --> 02:07:52.110
Ronald Reagan, Masonic Lodge.

02:07:52.470 --> 02:07:58.330
George Bush, Skull and Bones, Council on
Foreign Relations and Trilateral

02:07:58.330 --> 02:07:58.770
Commission.

02:07:58.930 --> 02:08:02.490
Skull and Bones is a Yale secret
organization.

02:08:05.770 --> 02:08:12.690
So, the next step that he points out is
the control of this element over the

02:08:12.690 --> 02:08:13.050
media.

02:08:14.050 --> 02:08:17.870
Who is involved in the Council on Foreign
Relations in the media?

02:08:18.770 --> 02:08:23.570
CBS, William Paley, Dan Rather,
Harry Reisner, Bill Moyers from NBC,

02:08:24.490 --> 02:08:28.210
Tom Brokaw, John Chancellor, Marvin Kalb,
Irving R.

02:08:28.310 --> 02:08:28.510
Levine.

02:08:28.590 --> 02:08:30.090
All on the Council on Foreign Relations.

02:08:30.150 --> 02:08:31.370
All flaming liberals.

02:08:32.070 --> 02:08:37.010
And from ABC, David Brinkley, John Scully,
Barbara Winters.

02:08:37.470 --> 02:08:39.110
From CNN, Daniel Shore.

02:08:39.670 --> 02:08:43.390
From Public Broadcast Service,
Robert McNeil and Jim Lehrer.

02:08:43.870 --> 02:08:44.990
And Howding Carter III.

02:08:45.650 --> 02:08:49.130
So, he points out how they have controlled
the media.

02:08:49.650 --> 02:08:55.790
The papers, the takeover of independent
newspapers and mergers.

02:08:56.530 --> 02:08:59.810
And it's quite a portrayal here.

02:08:59.810 --> 02:09:05.890
Major magazines in the CFR orbit include
Fortune, Time, Life, Money, People and

02:09:05.890 --> 02:09:09.130
Sports Illustrated, Newsweek,
Businessweek, U.S.

02:09:09.190 --> 02:09:12.670
News and World Report, Saturday Review,
Reader's Digest, Atlantic Monthly,

02:09:13.090 --> 02:09:15.150
McCall's and Harper's Magazine.

02:09:15.950 --> 02:09:18.090
Every secular magazine...

02:09:18.090 --> 02:09:20.750
They are controlling virtually every
aspect of the media.

02:09:20.870 --> 02:09:24.650
That's why you don't hear certain aspects
of the media.

02:09:24.650 --> 02:09:29.630
It's interesting that this book that I
just got yesterday that I referred to a

02:09:29.630 --> 02:09:33.830
few minutes ago, Triumph Without Victory,
is the unreported history of the Persian

02:09:33.830 --> 02:09:34.410
Gulf War.

02:09:34.790 --> 02:09:37.710
The Persian Gulf War was one of...

02:09:37.710 --> 02:09:41.910
The war probably with one of the least
exposure of newspaper reporters to what

02:09:41.910 --> 02:09:42.770
actually was going on.

02:09:42.810 --> 02:09:43.970
They had these pools, remember?

02:09:44.190 --> 02:09:50.970
And the military reporters that gave
the... fed the information to the media

02:09:50.970 --> 02:09:55.550
were very skilled in what they were doing
and the media only got what the military

02:09:55.550 --> 02:09:56.270
was basically.

02:09:56.530 --> 02:09:57.750
That's why U.S.

02:09:57.850 --> 02:09:59.050
News wrote this book.

02:10:00.090 --> 02:10:01.810
Then, public education.

02:10:02.450 --> 02:10:07.710
He goes into public education and the
influence of the Rockefellers and John

02:10:07.710 --> 02:10:14.750
Dewey's socialist philosophy and how Dewey
had an enormous control over the educators

02:10:14.750 --> 02:10:15.910
in our country.

02:10:16.650 --> 02:10:19.150
And he brought in the relativism.

02:10:19.150 --> 02:10:22.330
He had the destruction of permanent moral
absolutes.

02:10:22.470 --> 02:10:27.790
He wrote, there is no room for fixed
natural law or permanent moral absolutes.

02:10:28.170 --> 02:10:33.990
So here is this era of relativism that I
mentioned a little while ago that John

02:10:33.990 --> 02:10:37.530
Courtney Murray, the Jesuit, told us we
have been shifted through.

02:10:37.930 --> 02:10:42.950
And incidentally, John, I want to get
another book here called The Closing of

02:10:42.950 --> 02:10:43.870
the American Mind.

02:10:45.950 --> 02:10:51.970
This book is by Professor Alan Bloom and
in it he tells, in the first few pages,

02:10:52.570 --> 02:10:57.710
of how in the last 50 years our entire
educational system has been altered to

02:10:57.710 --> 02:10:58.730
bring in relativism.

02:10:59.330 --> 02:11:04.670
He says, there is one thing a professor
can be absolutely certain of almost every

02:11:04.670 --> 02:11:09.050
student entering the university believes
or says he believes that truth is

02:11:09.050 --> 02:11:09.570
relative.

02:11:10.610 --> 02:11:16.330
And I remember talking to an old friend of
mine who is now a dean at one of our

02:11:16.330 --> 02:11:20.850
academies and I said to him, what's the
difference now between the students that

02:11:20.850 --> 02:11:26.530
you have in the dorm and what things were
like when we were going to school a

02:11:26.530 --> 02:11:27.330
generation ago?

02:11:27.470 --> 02:11:32.530
And he said, today the students all
believe that truth is relative.

02:11:32.930 --> 02:11:33.690
Everything is relative.

02:11:33.830 --> 02:11:35.790
What's right for you may not be right for
me.

02:11:35.790 --> 02:11:43.150
Doesn't that just stand to reason since
all of our schools have embraced the

02:11:43.150 --> 02:11:48.470
golden calf of accreditation and in order
to be accredited you have to send your

02:11:48.470 --> 02:11:53.190
teachers out to be trained in the schools
of Babylon and of course they drink from

02:11:53.190 --> 02:11:57.290
the sewers of Babylon, come back to our
schools and teach it to our students.

02:11:57.650 --> 02:11:59.930
Those students become our teachers for the
next generation.

02:12:00.270 --> 02:12:03.890
Don't you see how this thing of
accreditation that started back in the

02:12:03.890 --> 02:12:07.610
20's we've got to be accredited,
we've got to be accredited and by bowing

02:12:07.610 --> 02:12:13.190
down to that golden calf of accreditation
look at the harvest that we are reaping

02:12:13.190 --> 02:12:15.550
from what we did 50 years ago.

02:12:15.830 --> 02:12:21.170
Well that's so true John because you know
in my generation I can remember back when

02:12:21.170 --> 02:12:26.130
the old protestant absolutes were still
dominant in the community that I grew up

02:12:26.130 --> 02:12:30.030
in as a boy when I was small and even in
our school system.

02:12:30.210 --> 02:12:35.210
But about in my academy years at the end
of the 60's the late 60's this relativism

02:12:35.210 --> 02:12:38.350
came in like a flood and along with it
rationalism.

02:12:39.090 --> 02:12:43.030
Now I remember when I was at the seminary
I went down one time on a trip to

02:12:43.030 --> 02:12:43.910
Washington D.C.

02:12:44.690 --> 02:12:50.310
and I spoke with a person who is high in
the general conference for about 3 hours

02:12:50.310 --> 02:12:56.930
about our educational system and he told
me, he said, Bob, he said, our entire,

02:12:57.010 --> 02:13:03.030
virtually our entire educational system
now is relying on rationalism instead of

02:13:03.030 --> 02:13:04.230
faith in the word of God.

02:13:04.330 --> 02:13:06.470
And that's exactly what we're describing
here.

02:13:06.550 --> 02:13:11.630
It's exactly what the Jesuits said was the
shift that would take place from the old

02:13:11.630 --> 02:13:16.190
protestant morality through relativism to
break up the divine absolutes and then to

02:13:16.190 --> 02:13:20.410
bring in ultimately Roman Catholic natural
law with a new set of absolutes,

02:13:20.530 --> 02:13:21.710
namely those of the papacy.

02:13:22.470 --> 02:13:26.210
And this is exactly what our church is
following.

02:13:26.950 --> 02:13:30.550
As a boy I remember there was a consensus
in our church.

02:13:30.650 --> 02:13:32.750
There was an agreement about what our
mission was.

02:13:32.870 --> 02:13:36.090
Three Angels' Messages and Mark of the
Beast and that type of thing.

02:13:36.110 --> 02:13:37.790
It was black and white when I was growing
up.

02:13:37.870 --> 02:13:39.290
Everything was black and white,
you know.

02:13:39.630 --> 02:13:43.870
But now there's just this big gray area
and you don't, you know, people don't know

02:13:43.870 --> 02:13:44.490
what to believe.

02:13:45.470 --> 02:13:46.750
That's the relativism.

02:13:47.030 --> 02:13:50.370
What's right for you may not be right for
me, you see.

02:13:50.730 --> 02:13:54.350
And truth is relative rather than looking
at the word and saying this is where we

02:13:54.350 --> 02:13:54.990
find truth.

02:13:55.650 --> 02:13:59.890
Jewelry wearing is wrong or, you know,
this is wrong and this is right.

02:14:00.590 --> 02:14:06.290
But that relativism, you see, breaks up
the old divine absolutes.

02:14:06.290 --> 02:14:15.430
What Luther preached was Scripture alone,
the sovereignty of God, and the verities

02:14:15.430 --> 02:14:16.210
of Scripture.

02:14:16.630 --> 02:14:21.230
It brought about in the people's minds a
security because they knew that they were

02:14:21.230 --> 02:14:26.390
serving an unchanging God with whom there
is no variableness nor shadow of turning.

02:14:27.270 --> 02:14:32.410
Now all of that got broken up in Germany
long before it did over here because the

02:14:32.410 --> 02:14:38.490
main philosopher of our time in the modern
era who has promoted this relativism was

02:14:38.490 --> 02:14:38.830
Hegel.

02:14:39.650 --> 02:14:43.650
And his ideas caught hold in Germany
before they did over here.

02:14:43.730 --> 02:14:46.330
And you know what it brought about in
Germany was Nazism.

02:14:47.090 --> 02:14:51.450
It destroyed in the people's minds the
resistance that they could have to a

02:14:51.450 --> 02:14:55.890
dictator by relying on the divine
absolutes of the law and the word of God.

02:14:56.650 --> 02:14:59.910
And then they were prepared for a human
dictator.

02:15:01.270 --> 02:15:01.790
Totalitarianism.

02:15:01.910 --> 02:15:04.710
Exactly what is happening in the
Seventh-day Adventist Church.

02:15:04.790 --> 02:15:10.170
As the moral fabric of our Adventist
people has deteriorated from a generation

02:15:10.170 --> 02:15:15.330
going through this relativism,
they are now prepared to accept a human

02:15:15.330 --> 02:15:17.870
tyranny, just like we read there from
Nigeria.

02:15:18.170 --> 02:15:24.310
You see, the Bible and the spirit of
prophecy have been the foundation of

02:15:24.310 --> 02:15:27.030
everything that we have believed as
Seventh-day Adventists all the time I was

02:15:27.030 --> 02:15:27.590
growing up.

02:15:27.590 --> 02:15:32.470
And suddenly the spirit of prophecy has
been thrown out the window and the

02:15:32.470 --> 02:15:36.670
interpretation of scripture is the
evangelical interpretation of scripture.

02:15:37.150 --> 02:15:43.430
And everything that I have had as a basis
for religion in my years of growing up in

02:15:43.430 --> 02:15:46.990
the Seventh-day Adventist Church has
suddenly been knocked out from under me.

02:15:47.810 --> 02:15:52.050
And I along with all the rest of our
people are realizing that we have got to

02:15:52.050 --> 02:15:54.810
read and study and find out why we believe
what we believe.

02:15:54.810 --> 02:15:58.210
And if there is nothing more that comes
out of this crisis, it's knocking the

02:15:58.210 --> 02:16:02.190
props out from under our people and
forcing them to know why we believe what

02:16:02.190 --> 02:16:02.750
we believe.

02:16:03.190 --> 02:16:03.190
Right.

02:16:03.590 --> 02:16:08.750
Now, Alan Bloom, who is a professor at the
University of Chicago, says that the

02:16:08.750 --> 02:16:13.110
teaching that has gone on in our schools
now for the last 50 years is this

02:16:13.110 --> 02:16:13.810
relativism.

02:16:14.070 --> 02:16:18.650
Relativism is necessary to openness and
this is the virtue, the only virtue,

02:16:18.730 --> 02:16:23.710
which all primary education for more than
50 years has dedicated itself to

02:16:23.710 --> 02:16:24.210
inculcating.

02:16:24.210 --> 02:16:29.610
And you look at when Dewey took over in
the 30s with his influence in our

02:16:29.610 --> 02:16:34.050
educational system as a result of the
influence of the Masons through these

02:16:34.050 --> 02:16:38.530
organizations which we've been talking
about, the impact on education and the

02:16:38.530 --> 02:16:44.710
American public in breaking up the old
allegiances to God, to their family in a

02:16:44.710 --> 02:16:47.650
Protestant sense, you see, with God being
first.

02:16:48.210 --> 02:16:52.290
I remember even the person on the street,
they wouldn't all be Adventists,

02:16:52.290 --> 02:16:56.690
but they had a consensus when I was a boy
about what was right and what was wrong.

02:16:56.850 --> 02:16:57.290
Well, absolutely.

02:16:57.290 --> 02:16:58.910
Certain things were right and certain
things were wrong.

02:16:59.270 --> 02:17:03.410
I go back to my hometown now and there's
all kinds of people living together

02:17:03.410 --> 02:17:07.430
without being married, with kids from who
knows who, and the whole moral fabric has

02:17:07.430 --> 02:17:08.010
broken down.

02:17:08.090 --> 02:17:08.350
Totally.

02:17:10.670 --> 02:17:14.450
So, this can all be documented,
what has happened with our educational

02:17:14.450 --> 02:17:14.970
system.

02:17:15.930 --> 02:17:22.570
So, the rewriting of the history books,
here on page 61, is discussed.

02:17:22.670 --> 02:17:26.230
The Rockefellers not only used their money
to seize control of America's centers of

02:17:26.230 --> 02:17:31.290
teacher training, they also spent millions
of dollars on rewriting history books and

02:17:31.290 --> 02:17:34.750
creating textbooks that undermine
patriotism and free enterprise.

02:17:35.070 --> 02:17:41.530
One church member just showed me the
American history book of her child in

02:17:41.530 --> 02:17:50.670
public school and the reason for the
pilgrims coming to America was to get away

02:17:50.670 --> 02:17:52.290
from the high taxes of England.

02:17:54.150 --> 02:17:54.710
Amazing.

02:17:55.370 --> 02:17:56.670
That was the reason.

02:17:57.250 --> 02:18:01.270
Totally, this thing of religious freedom
was cut out.

02:18:01.630 --> 02:18:05.750
And in our American history books now,
the reason that the pilgrims came to

02:18:05.750 --> 02:18:08.870
America was to get away from the heavy
taxation of England.

02:18:09.070 --> 02:18:09.890
Isn't that amazing?

02:18:44.700 --> 02:18:48.960
He says here on page 61 that the
establishments, and when he says

02:18:48.960 --> 02:18:52.520
establishment, he means the Council on
Foreign Relations, what is called the

02:18:52.520 --> 02:19:00.260
Eastern Establishment, the CFR,
the TC, these Masonic influences that

02:19:00.260 --> 02:19:00.980
we've been talking about.

02:19:01.040 --> 02:19:04.040
Today, its lock on public education is
nearly complete.

02:19:04.560 --> 02:19:07.720
This fact is evidenced in the number of
teacher college heads who belong to the

02:19:07.720 --> 02:19:13.400
Council on Foreign Relations, including,
and he lists a whole slug of our top

02:19:13.400 --> 02:19:18.280
universities in our nation, from Notre
Dame to New York University, Cornell,

02:19:18.640 --> 02:19:24.680
University of Chicago, Johns Hopkins,
Brown University, on and on.

02:19:25.280 --> 02:19:27.360
And then he discusses America's role.

02:19:28.040 --> 02:19:32.200
He says he was so shocked, he was
outraged, when he learned about the

02:19:32.200 --> 02:19:34.200
establishment's lock on the political
system.

02:19:34.800 --> 02:19:39.460
He said a few years ago he had never even
heard of the Council on Foreign Relations

02:19:39.460 --> 02:19:40.760
or the Trilateral Commission.

02:19:41.560 --> 02:19:44.460
He says, after finding out about the
establishment's control of mass

02:19:44.460 --> 02:19:48.500
communication, I was even more appalled,
but now at least I understood why I hadn't

02:19:48.500 --> 02:19:50.120
learned about the conspiracy anymore.

02:19:50.220 --> 02:19:55.160
See, if you control the media,
you know, then who can find out about all

02:19:55.160 --> 02:19:55.720
of these things?

02:19:56.260 --> 02:20:00.360
The Rockefellers controlled every facet of
the information industry, from television

02:20:00.360 --> 02:20:01.960
to public education.

02:20:01.960 --> 02:20:05.580
Therefore, unless a person comes across
one of the citizens' groups trying to

02:20:05.580 --> 02:20:09.660
expose the conspiracy, or stumbles onto
some aspect of it, as I did, there is no

02:20:09.660 --> 02:20:11.240
way to find out about it.

02:20:11.920 --> 02:20:16.160
Reflecting on this matter, he says,
where does America fit into the plans of

02:20:16.160 --> 02:20:16.640
the hierarchy?

02:20:16.800 --> 02:20:18.920
What role has it been destined to play?

02:20:19.440 --> 02:20:23.580
Reflecting on this matter, I am convinced
that America's purpose in the overall plan

02:20:23.580 --> 02:20:26.260
was to lay the necessary groundwork for
the world government.

02:20:26.980 --> 02:20:30.660
Then, having accomplished this mission to
lead humanity to the threshold,

02:20:30.860 --> 02:20:35.680
if not actually into the new world order,
only America, with its record of integrity

02:20:35.680 --> 02:20:40.120
and leadership as the hero of World Wars I
and II, and as the world's policeman in

02:20:40.120 --> 02:20:42.080
the area of human rights, could accomplish
such a feat.

02:20:42.480 --> 02:20:46.320
President Bush made this point clear in
his State of the Union address on January

02:20:46.320 --> 02:20:47.560
29, 1991.

02:20:47.860 --> 02:20:49.060
Here are excerpts from his speech.

02:20:49.640 --> 02:20:54.300
For two centuries, America has served the
world as an inspiring example of freedom

02:20:54.300 --> 02:20:54.920
and democracy.

02:20:54.920 --> 02:20:57.940
For generations, America has led the
struggle to preserve and extend the

02:20:57.940 --> 02:20:58.680
blessings of liberty.

02:20:59.280 --> 02:21:02.500
And today, in a rapidly changing world,
American leadership is indispensable.

02:21:03.180 --> 02:21:05.840
Americans know that leadership brings
burdens and sacrifices.

02:21:06.360 --> 02:21:09.220
But we also know why the hopes of humanity
turn to us.

02:21:09.300 --> 02:21:10.160
We are Americans.

02:21:10.660 --> 02:21:13.620
We have a unique responsibility to do the
hard work of freedom.

02:21:14.080 --> 02:21:17.560
We can find meaning and reward by serving
some higher purpose than ourselves,

02:21:17.640 --> 02:21:21.880
a shining purpose, the illumination of a
thousand points of light.

02:21:23.080 --> 02:21:25.620
What is at stake is more than one small
country.

02:21:25.780 --> 02:21:30.540
It is a big idea, a new world order,
where diverse nations are drawn together

02:21:30.540 --> 02:21:34.000
in common cause to achieve the universal
aspirations of mankind.

02:21:35.020 --> 02:21:38.140
And then he told of how the world stands
now as one.

02:21:38.580 --> 02:21:42.160
For the first time since World War II,
the international community is united.

02:21:42.700 --> 02:21:46.620
The leadership of the United Nations,
once only a hope for ideal, is now

02:21:46.620 --> 02:21:48.060
confirming its founder's vision.

02:21:48.600 --> 02:21:50.740
And we need to seize this opportunity.

02:21:50.740 --> 02:21:53.200
The winds of change are with us now.

02:21:53.280 --> 02:21:55.000
The forces of freedom are together and
united.

02:21:55.460 --> 02:22:00.880
So a new world order, all in the name of
freedom and democracy.

02:22:01.360 --> 02:22:02.400
Tell me something, Bob.

02:22:04.080 --> 02:22:09.660
Where should Seventh-day Adventists stand
as far as the upcoming presidential

02:22:09.660 --> 02:22:15.740
election, realizing that George Bush is
the one who is instrumental in promoting

02:22:15.740 --> 02:22:16.860
this new world order?

02:22:16.860 --> 02:22:20.820
I hate to put you on the spot like this,
and I know that we're not to get into

02:22:20.820 --> 02:22:24.260
politics advocating any one candidate.

02:22:24.740 --> 02:22:27.940
But where does this leave us as
Seventh-day Adventists realizing that our

02:22:27.940 --> 02:22:33.420
president, and the one who is running for
re-election, is the one who is foremost in

02:22:33.420 --> 02:22:39.000
putting this one world government,
this new world order into place?

02:22:40.100 --> 02:22:42.200
Well, I'm not going to get into politics,
John.

02:22:42.280 --> 02:22:45.060
But I will say this, from a religious
liberty perspective.

02:22:45.060 --> 02:22:49.540
You have this man that you're talking
about, Bush, pushing for a new world

02:22:49.540 --> 02:22:49.820
order.

02:22:50.160 --> 02:22:51.280
But look at the rest of the slate.

02:22:51.440 --> 02:22:52.320
Look at Pat Buchanan.

02:22:52.560 --> 02:22:53.280
He's a Jesuit!

02:22:53.420 --> 02:22:53.760
Yes.

02:22:54.040 --> 02:22:56.120
And look at Jerry Brown on the Democratic
ticket.

02:22:56.140 --> 02:22:56.940
He's a Jesuit.

02:22:57.000 --> 02:22:58.140
Jesuit-trained, at least.

02:22:59.180 --> 02:23:01.900
And then you've got people like David
Duke, who's a neo-Nazi.

02:23:02.400 --> 02:23:04.880
What are we coming to as a nation?

02:23:06.220 --> 02:23:14.140
As one media person said, that what we're
dealing with in this election is the evil

02:23:14.140 --> 02:23:16.460
of two lessers.

02:23:16.780 --> 02:23:18.300
Instead of the lesser of two evils.

02:23:18.700 --> 02:23:20.180
And, you know, that's what we're dealing
with.

02:23:20.260 --> 02:23:22.340
You know, who is the least evil?

02:23:22.840 --> 02:23:28.000
And it's sad to see the condition that we
are in, but to realize that what we are

02:23:28.000 --> 02:23:32.260
seeing now, what we see George Bush doing,
is what we have known as Seventh-day

02:23:32.260 --> 02:23:32.620
Adventists.

02:23:32.640 --> 02:23:34.480
It's going to happen for hundreds of years
now.

02:23:34.560 --> 02:23:38.460
You know, we've been told, not only by our
prophet, Alan White, but we can also see

02:23:38.460 --> 02:23:42.920
it, the proper interpretation of
Revelation 13, that this nation is one day

02:23:42.920 --> 02:23:43.960
going to speak as a dragon.

02:23:44.220 --> 02:23:47.820
And then she told us here, in the latter
days, that America would be the foremost.

02:23:48.220 --> 02:23:52.320
And as we knew was going to happen,
and now we see how it's going to happen.

02:23:52.540 --> 02:23:55.360
How America is going to do this.

02:23:55.360 --> 02:23:58.180
I wish I had time to get into everything
here, but I'm just hitting the high

02:23:58.180 --> 02:23:58.420
points.

02:23:58.540 --> 02:24:01.160
But notice now the role of the Gulf War.

02:24:01.920 --> 02:24:04.780
One world government could not be
accomplished through a perceived

02:24:04.780 --> 02:24:05.380
dictatorship.

02:24:05.700 --> 02:24:09.220
In order to be accepted, the new world
order would have to ride in on the back of

02:24:09.220 --> 02:24:10.980
what appeared to be a trusted democracy.

02:24:11.560 --> 02:24:14.800
America filled this description,
being viewed as the world's greatest

02:24:14.800 --> 02:24:17.440
bastion of freedom, the last great hope of
mankind.

02:24:18.160 --> 02:24:21.160
Furthermore, America is the world's
largest cosmopolitan nation.

02:24:21.340 --> 02:24:24.280
Virtually everyone in the world has at
least one relative or friend living in the

02:24:24.280 --> 02:24:24.920
United States.

02:24:25.320 --> 02:24:28.940
So this goes a long way in alleviating
distrust and building a favorable image

02:24:28.940 --> 02:24:29.780
for the new world order.

02:24:30.160 --> 02:24:34.640
The Gulf War, I believe, was only the
latest tactic used by insiders to

02:24:34.640 --> 02:24:35.560
accomplish their goal.

02:24:35.560 --> 02:24:39.380
And as you just listened to Bush,
as we were heading into war there,

02:24:39.660 --> 02:24:44.080
it was quite clear that the main objective
was not destroying Saddam Hussein.

02:24:44.520 --> 02:24:50.700
The main objective was to build a new
world order, to use this war as a tool,

02:24:50.820 --> 02:24:56.180
as an instrument to accomplish a larger
purpose of establishing a new world order.

02:24:56.940 --> 02:24:59.580
And he said the war would accomplish
several purposes.

02:25:00.180 --> 02:25:03.620
It would hike up oil prices, generating
billions of dollars for additional revenue

02:25:03.620 --> 02:25:05.120
for the establishment's oil companies.

02:25:05.660 --> 02:25:08.860
It would unite the nations of the world
against a common enemy, which was

02:25:08.860 --> 02:25:11.740
necessary to take humanity the final step
into a one-world system.

02:25:12.360 --> 02:25:16.040
And Hussein played the role of the perfect
villain who all decent people like to

02:25:16.040 --> 02:25:16.740
hate, like Hitler.

02:25:17.520 --> 02:25:21.080
The war would also establish America as
the undisputed leader of the world and the

02:25:21.080 --> 02:25:22.500
enforcer of the new world order.

02:25:22.540 --> 02:25:26.280
And see how that fits in with Revelation
13, showing other countries what they

02:25:26.280 --> 02:25:28.960
would encounter if they opposed the
emerging world system.

02:25:29.060 --> 02:25:29.780
Do we ever see that?

02:25:29.780 --> 02:25:33.480
It would make true patriots who oppose the
concept of a new world order appear to be

02:25:33.480 --> 02:25:38.340
unpatriotic, while making globalists who
supported the UN appear as patriots,

02:25:38.480 --> 02:25:40.800
essentially turning the tables upside
down.

02:25:41.620 --> 02:25:43.760
And then he comes to the New Age movement.

02:25:44.720 --> 02:25:53.140
And here he discusses the New Age
mysticism and the role of New Age in

02:25:53.140 --> 02:25:57.120
conditioning the people for this new world
order.

02:25:57.120 --> 02:26:02.240
So even this man realizes the tie-in
between the Jesuits and down through the

02:26:02.240 --> 02:26:08.440
history how they have tried to get into
the governments and how it ties into the

02:26:08.440 --> 02:26:12.660
New Age that we are having today and it's
just a continuation of this Jesuit agenda

02:26:12.660 --> 02:26:14.000
to get control of the world?

02:26:14.140 --> 02:26:17.600
He's saying basically the same thing we've
been saying about New Age, John.

02:26:17.940 --> 02:26:23.740
He talks about the New Age mysticism,
the pantheism of it, and how most

02:26:23.740 --> 02:26:27.100
pantheists automatically support...

02:26:27.100 --> 02:26:28.040
Oh, yes.

02:26:28.240 --> 02:26:31.120
He says the religion of the New Age,
simply put, is pantheism.

02:26:31.200 --> 02:26:35.300
Because that's what our prophet told us
would be the omega of apostasy.

02:26:35.300 --> 02:26:35.680
That's right.

02:26:35.860 --> 02:26:36.260
That's right.

02:26:36.820 --> 02:26:39.740
He says it's a belief that God is a sum
total of all that exists.

02:26:39.900 --> 02:26:41.660
According to pantheists, there's no
personal God.

02:26:41.780 --> 02:26:45.800
Instead, their concept of God consists of
what they refer to as a God force or life

02:26:45.800 --> 02:26:46.140
force.

02:26:46.220 --> 02:26:49.900
And this energy or God force flows through
all living things, plants, animals,

02:26:49.980 --> 02:26:50.760
and human beings.

02:26:51.200 --> 02:26:56.880
Now, Bob, when I made my first celebration
video, I knew... I didn't know how.

02:26:57.060 --> 02:26:57.920
I didn't know how.

02:26:58.060 --> 02:27:04.840
But I knew that somehow celebration tied
in to the omega of apostasy foretold by

02:27:04.840 --> 02:27:06.180
our prophet for the last days.

02:27:06.520 --> 02:27:10.660
And am I ever beginning to see now a
bigger picture?

02:27:11.140 --> 02:27:13.980
You know, I knew that was from the Holy
Spirit, and the Holy Spirit was revealing

02:27:13.980 --> 02:27:14.420
that to me.

02:27:14.480 --> 02:27:18.640
I didn't know exactly how, but I just knew
it was a part of the omega apostasy.

02:27:18.640 --> 02:27:23.780
Now we have made the tie-in of how
celebration was part of the major Jesuit

02:27:23.780 --> 02:27:24.240
agenda.

02:27:24.320 --> 02:27:31.280
And now how that this is also what is
involved in New Age and in pantheism

02:27:31.280 --> 02:27:33.000
coming right out.

02:27:33.100 --> 02:27:34.940
That is what the omega... the alpha was.

02:27:34.980 --> 02:27:37.720
And she said that the omega would be of a
much more stalling nature.

02:27:38.080 --> 02:27:43.640
And that this pantheism is the omega of
apostasy, which is the Jesuit celebration.

02:27:45.460 --> 02:27:50.540
New Age, one world government,
new world order coming into our government

02:27:50.540 --> 02:27:52.060
and now into our church.

02:27:52.240 --> 02:27:54.220
Celebration is a big New Age term
incidentally.

02:27:54.660 --> 02:27:58.980
Matthew Fox in his book The Coming of the
Cosmic Christ has the celebration motif

02:27:58.980 --> 02:28:00.500
all the way through it.

02:28:00.500 --> 02:28:07.660
So now the Lord is revealing how even more
that this celebration is leading into this

02:28:07.660 --> 02:28:09.460
omega of apostasy.

02:28:09.460 --> 02:28:11.560
And think of during the time of Elijah,
John.

02:28:11.600 --> 02:28:12.820
You have often referred to that.

02:28:13.300 --> 02:28:18.040
In the time of Elijah you had the bales
that were in the trees that were in this

02:28:18.040 --> 02:28:20.260
object of nature or that object of nature.

02:28:20.580 --> 02:28:22.680
And Elijah had to denounce that.

02:28:22.940 --> 02:28:23.080
Yes.

02:28:23.660 --> 02:28:28.180
And it is coming around amazingly so
precisely at the end of time.

02:28:28.360 --> 02:28:29.660
This is the Elijah message.

02:28:29.980 --> 02:28:34.340
You see what we are... I wonder if our
people realize that what they are hearing

02:28:34.340 --> 02:28:36.860
on these videos is the Elijah message.

02:28:37.080 --> 02:28:39.240
I wonder if our dear people realize that.

02:28:39.240 --> 02:28:42.420
You see that is what the Elijah message
is.

02:28:42.620 --> 02:28:47.440
It is calling God's people back from
apostasy and identifying apostasy.

02:28:48.000 --> 02:28:50.580
That is what Elijah did on Mount Carmel.

02:28:50.920 --> 02:28:51.000
Right.

02:28:51.860 --> 02:28:55.960
Now since this God force in the New Age
thinking flows through all of us,

02:28:56.020 --> 02:28:58.880
they rationalize we must therefore be gods
or at least part of God.

02:28:58.960 --> 02:29:03.520
Because of this belief most pantheists
will automatically support the concept of

02:29:03.520 --> 02:29:08.080
a one world government since global unity
is essential to the proper flow of the God

02:29:08.080 --> 02:29:08.440
force.

02:29:08.440 --> 02:29:14.220
Now you know that we are seeing all this
ecology business tied in with New Age.

02:29:14.360 --> 02:29:14.840
Oh yes.

02:29:15.240 --> 02:29:15.760
Greenpeace.

02:29:16.040 --> 02:29:16.420
Yes.

02:29:16.800 --> 02:29:20.580
Humanity will then presumably take a
quantum leap to a higher level of

02:29:20.580 --> 02:29:21.020
existence.

02:29:22.020 --> 02:29:25.360
And the result will be that all humans
will suddenly receive mystical powers to

02:29:25.360 --> 02:29:26.860
do what they could never do before.

02:29:26.940 --> 02:29:31.900
That is why we are seeing this mysticism
that Bill Lovelace is bringing in and that

02:29:31.900 --> 02:29:35.700
the spiritual exercises is bringing into
our system.

02:29:35.700 --> 02:29:46.980
So even what we see people running for
public office now using the conservation

02:29:46.980 --> 02:29:51.760
as a theme for their presidential
candidacy.

02:29:51.780 --> 02:29:52.100
Like Gary Brown.

02:29:52.100 --> 02:29:52.740
Yeah.

02:29:53.020 --> 02:29:55.160
And also Tongass is the same way.

02:29:55.320 --> 02:30:00.160
He is the environmental president,
the presidential candidate, the

02:30:00.160 --> 02:30:01.160
environmental candidate.

02:30:01.420 --> 02:30:05.820
And all of these guys are running on this
platform of taking care of the environment

02:30:05.820 --> 02:30:07.460
and global warming and all that.

02:30:07.760 --> 02:30:09.440
You mean that plays right into this?

02:30:09.460 --> 02:30:09.460
Oh yes.

02:30:09.460 --> 02:30:10.680
That is all part of it.

02:30:10.740 --> 02:30:11.440
Fundamental to it.

02:30:12.100 --> 02:30:16.020
And you see they believe that a new age of
enlightenment, a new world order will be

02:30:16.020 --> 02:30:16.240
born.

02:30:16.340 --> 02:30:18.180
Pierre Teilhard de Chardin was big on
this.

02:30:18.180 --> 02:30:23.800
He said when we get as a human race to
this unified consciousness, then the

02:30:23.800 --> 02:30:26.680
cosmic Christ, the Omega Christ,
will appear.

02:30:27.220 --> 02:30:30.620
And you see that is what Matthew Fox,
the Dominican scholar, has been writing

02:30:30.620 --> 02:30:30.820
about.

02:30:30.860 --> 02:30:32.260
The coming of the cosmic Christ.

02:30:32.340 --> 02:30:39.360
There has to be radical liturgical change
and celebration in liturgy and deep

02:30:39.360 --> 02:30:40.820
mysticism to bring this about.

02:30:40.940 --> 02:30:44.580
And we brought out last time about how
even our leaders have been involved in

02:30:44.580 --> 02:30:45.580
attending his seminars.

02:30:45.580 --> 02:30:51.520
And he cited this as one of the major
developments along the line toward the

02:30:51.520 --> 02:30:56.960
religions getting involved in deep
mysticism, which brings them together in

02:30:56.960 --> 02:30:58.460
deep ecumenism, you see.

02:30:58.800 --> 02:31:00.920
So ecumenism is all part of this too,
you see.

02:31:01.260 --> 02:31:05.600
That is why the Royal Council of Churches
is very much into these native religions

02:31:05.600 --> 02:31:08.260
and the Hinduism and all of this.

02:31:08.640 --> 02:31:11.420
The Jesuit Order is very much into this,
you see.

02:31:11.880 --> 02:31:13.820
Oh, it is all fitting together,
Bob.

02:31:14.820 --> 02:31:19.080
Pantheism also teaches that we will never
die, therefore we must face no personal

02:31:19.080 --> 02:31:20.080
judgment by God.

02:31:20.540 --> 02:31:22.060
This is like what Ellen White describes.

02:31:22.300 --> 02:31:26.180
You know, incidentally, Ellen White has
chapter after chapter about spiritualism

02:31:26.180 --> 02:31:27.960
in here, where she is describing the same
thing.

02:31:28.300 --> 02:31:31.860
And relativism is spiritualism too,
because it basically teaches that whatever

02:31:31.860 --> 02:31:33.740
is is right and God does not condemn.

02:31:34.060 --> 02:31:38.080
What is right for you is okay,
I am okay, you are okay, we are all okay.

02:31:38.080 --> 02:31:43.620
Do you see why our denominational
leadership is not promoting the Great

02:31:43.620 --> 02:31:44.180
Controversy?

02:31:44.220 --> 02:31:47.220
And they are trying to stop the
independent ministries and crush the

02:31:47.220 --> 02:31:49.940
efforts of the independent ministries to
promote the Great Controversy?

02:31:50.020 --> 02:31:55.120
Because the Great Controversy strikes at
the heart of everything our denominational

02:31:55.120 --> 02:31:56.540
leadership is doing.

02:31:56.900 --> 02:31:57.340
Yeah.

02:31:58.900 --> 02:32:02.100
We just keep coming back in different
forms of life in the New Age.

02:32:02.140 --> 02:32:06.300
An acceptable concept to Pantheists,
since they believe we are all one with

02:32:06.300 --> 02:32:06.660
nature.

02:32:07.260 --> 02:32:11.720
And he discusses Pantheism for some
paragraphs here.

02:32:11.960 --> 02:32:14.820
And then he gets into this word mystic or
mysticism.

02:32:15.060 --> 02:32:17.420
Now this is what Bill Loveless is
promoting in our ranks.

02:32:17.560 --> 02:32:17.760
Of course.

02:32:17.920 --> 02:32:22.280
And the message that apparently is being
taken to the seminary students.

02:32:23.600 --> 02:32:27.300
He said, one of the misconceptions that
has thrown people off track and prevented

02:32:27.300 --> 02:32:30.860
them from making the connection between
Pantheism and the occult is a

02:32:30.860 --> 02:32:34.600
misunderstanding of the word mystic or
mysticism, at least in its modern usage.

02:32:34.600 --> 02:32:39.680
New Agers, I found, use the terms
mysticism and occultism interchangeably.

02:32:40.340 --> 02:32:44.820
In fact, the most popular dictionary among
New Agers is Neville Drury's Dictionary of

02:32:44.820 --> 02:32:46.160
Mysticism and the Occult.

02:32:46.540 --> 02:32:50.140
Time and time again in my research,
I found these words being used together or

02:32:50.140 --> 02:32:50.800
synonymously.

02:32:52.480 --> 02:32:56.820
And so he finally looked up in Webster's
New Collegiate Dictionary to see what the

02:32:56.820 --> 02:32:57.620
word mystic meant.

02:32:57.740 --> 02:33:02.620
One of the definitions is, of or relating
to mysteries or esoteric rites,

02:33:02.760 --> 02:33:03.200
the occult.

02:33:03.200 --> 02:33:05.520
And that's how that all ties in with the
Masons.

02:33:06.560 --> 02:33:10.480
Now, mysticism, as it turns out,
is simply a kinder, gentler way of saying

02:33:10.480 --> 02:33:11.160
occultism.

02:33:11.640 --> 02:33:14.900
And what has thrown people even further
off track is the term New Age,

02:33:15.100 --> 02:33:18.920
which is even more pleasant sounding but
has come to be synonymous with mysticism

02:33:18.920 --> 02:33:19.600
and the occult.

02:33:20.040 --> 02:33:24.660
In modern language, being a New Ager,
a mystic, or occultist, all means the same

02:33:24.660 --> 02:33:25.020
thing.

02:33:25.100 --> 02:33:28.760
Bill Loveless called Ellen White
Adventist's greatest mystic.

02:33:28.760 --> 02:33:29.220
That's right.

02:33:30.080 --> 02:33:35.800
And then another dimension of this
occultism is the altered state of

02:33:35.800 --> 02:33:36.560
consciousness thing.

02:33:36.620 --> 02:33:40.000
Now, that's that neuro-linguistic
programming from a psychological

02:33:40.000 --> 02:33:40.900
standpoint.

02:33:41.560 --> 02:33:45.840
Also, that's why we have so much of the
drug use.

02:33:46.040 --> 02:33:47.800
Now, Hitler was deeply into the occult.

02:33:48.160 --> 02:33:50.340
He was into drugs.

02:33:50.940 --> 02:33:54.280
And Alice Bailey, who is the high
priestess of the New Age movement,

02:33:54.320 --> 02:33:59.440
who received the intermediate teaching for
New Age, and incidentally, this New Age we

02:33:59.440 --> 02:34:05.640
covered in the September issue of
Freedom's Ring, the whole plan of New Age

02:34:05.640 --> 02:34:08.280
to usher in the coming cosmic Christ.

02:34:08.380 --> 02:34:10.740
And we may want to look at that shortly.

02:34:11.280 --> 02:34:16.200
But her husband wrote a book in which he
said that this attempt to found a new

02:34:16.200 --> 02:34:23.800
world order was attempted by a disciple on
the banks of the Rhine, and that was

02:34:23.800 --> 02:34:24.140
Hitler.

02:34:24.140 --> 02:34:27.020
He was trying to bring in a new world
order.

02:34:27.680 --> 02:34:31.100
And it's interesting that Constance
Cumbie... let me get another book here,

02:34:31.700 --> 02:34:31.960
John.

02:34:32.320 --> 02:34:33.860
Yeah, I'm familiar with Constance Cumbie.

02:34:33.960 --> 02:34:35.840
She talks with me on the phone from time
to time.

02:34:35.900 --> 02:34:39.940
In fact, it was Constance Cumbie that gave
us that article for Mother Jones Magazine,

02:34:40.460 --> 02:34:45.720
last video that Terry Ross covered about
the founder of NLP, Richard Bandler.

02:34:46.920 --> 02:34:51.260
Anyway, she has page after page here in
her chapter, The New Age Movement,

02:34:51.400 --> 02:34:56.640
The Fourth Reich, where she shows the
parallels between Nazism, the philosophy

02:34:56.640 --> 02:34:58.080
of Nazism, and the New Age Movement.

02:34:58.220 --> 02:35:00.200
It's absolutely shocking.

02:35:01.680 --> 02:35:07.120
And when you begin to tie all this
together, you see how Nazism, the Vatican,

02:35:07.300 --> 02:35:13.260
which we discussed earlier, the Masons,
and their tie-in with the CFR and the TC,

02:35:13.960 --> 02:35:17.100
and the New Age all fit together.

02:35:17.100 --> 02:35:23.340
There will be one great collaboration,
Ellen White says, one great bond of union.

02:35:23.560 --> 02:35:25.020
Bob, answer a question for me.

02:35:25.100 --> 02:35:25.740
I'm a little worried.

02:35:25.840 --> 02:35:29.380
I've been preaching Daniel 2 all these
years in my evangelistic series.

02:35:29.980 --> 02:35:33.480
Is there going to be a unification of the
nations?

02:35:33.600 --> 02:35:37.460
I've been preaching that there never will
be, you know, Daniel 2 and verse 43,

02:35:37.660 --> 02:35:39.780
they shall not cleave one to another.

02:35:40.080 --> 02:35:44.220
Is there going to be a short period of
time when they will come together?

02:35:44.220 --> 02:35:49.060
Because if that is the case, then I'm
going to have egg all over my face,

02:35:49.140 --> 02:35:52.060
and so are many other hundreds and
thousands of television, pardon me,

02:35:52.160 --> 02:35:56.060
of Seventh-day Adventist evangelists that
have been preaching Daniel 2, they shall

02:35:56.060 --> 02:35:58.880
not cleave Daniel 2, 43 all these years.

02:35:59.240 --> 02:36:04.640
Well, I think Revelation 17 in verses 13
and 14.

02:36:05.240 --> 02:36:06.500
Well, let's look at verse 12.

02:36:06.680 --> 02:36:09.920
And the ten horns which thou saw'st are
ten kings, which have received no kingdom

02:36:09.920 --> 02:36:13.060
as yet, but receive power as kings one
hour with the beast.

02:36:13.060 --> 02:36:15.880
Now, a lot of people have pondered over
that.

02:36:15.980 --> 02:36:21.600
Is that talking about the ten horns,
you know, which we've studied about in

02:36:21.600 --> 02:36:22.340
Daniel 7?

02:36:22.580 --> 02:36:23.300
Or what is this?

02:36:23.340 --> 02:36:28.700
But it says that they have not received a
kingdom as yet, but they will receive

02:36:28.700 --> 02:36:30.320
power as kings one hour with the beast.

02:36:30.500 --> 02:36:34.880
It does at least raise the question,
in my mind, whether this world government

02:36:34.880 --> 02:36:39.000
with the ten regions, economic regions,
that will give their power to this new

02:36:39.000 --> 02:36:41.620
world government may be what's being
spoken about here.

02:36:41.620 --> 02:36:45.540
These have one mind and shall give their
power and strength unto the beast.

02:36:45.780 --> 02:36:51.380
So there will be, Ellen White says,
a brief period of time where there will be

02:36:51.380 --> 02:36:53.780
a universal bond of union.

02:36:53.980 --> 02:36:58.720
We will see this globalism actually come
to fruition.

02:36:58.920 --> 02:37:03.960
We will see the papacy sitting astride the
world, using the United States to enforce

02:37:03.960 --> 02:37:05.880
the Sunday Law around the world.

02:37:06.140 --> 02:37:10.780
We will see attempted uniformity,
and we will see this vast brotherhood,

02:37:10.780 --> 02:37:13.660
this vast great harmony, a confederacy of
Satan's forces.

02:37:14.120 --> 02:37:18.400
And only historic Adventists, biblical
Adventists, will stand up against this.

02:37:18.420 --> 02:37:18.620
Amen.

02:37:18.880 --> 02:37:23.140
So we've got one hour that they will
worship together with the beast,

02:37:23.220 --> 02:37:25.860
that they will reign together,
or rule together with the beast.

02:37:26.120 --> 02:37:26.640
Is that what it says?

02:37:26.800 --> 02:37:27.740
Rule or reign?

02:37:27.820 --> 02:37:28.380
Which does it say?

02:37:28.840 --> 02:37:30.980
They will receive power as kings.

02:37:31.080 --> 02:37:32.100
As kings.

02:37:32.140 --> 02:37:32.760
As kings.

02:37:32.900 --> 02:37:32.960
Okay.

02:37:33.080 --> 02:37:34.180
One hour with the beast.

02:37:34.200 --> 02:37:40.340
Okay, so if a day in Bible prophecy equals
a literal year, then an hour, there are 24

02:37:40.340 --> 02:37:41.320
hours in a day.

02:37:43.000 --> 02:37:44.900
There are 12 months.

02:37:44.960 --> 02:37:46.440
Half of a month would be two weeks.

02:37:46.580 --> 02:37:48.880
So that means that this will be a two-week
period.

02:37:49.380 --> 02:37:54.180
For two weeks, that's a 24th of one year,
24 hours in a day.

02:37:54.480 --> 02:37:58.180
Unless this is just a metaphor for a short
period of time.

02:37:58.280 --> 02:37:59.120
Sometimes in the Bible...

02:37:59.120 --> 02:38:02.100
Well, I think these things can be pretty
literal.

02:38:02.100 --> 02:38:09.360
I take that as two weeks that these kings
are going to rule together with the

02:38:09.360 --> 02:38:09.800
papacy.

02:38:09.940 --> 02:38:14.820
So there is going to be for a short
two-week period of time when they are

02:38:14.820 --> 02:38:19.680
going to have this new world order and
it's going to kind of gel for a two-week

02:38:19.680 --> 02:38:21.280
period of time that they will be able to
rule.

02:38:21.320 --> 02:38:22.680
One hour, whatever that means.

02:38:22.960 --> 02:38:25.220
If you take it literally as a two-week
period.

02:38:25.240 --> 02:38:25.360
I think it's two weeks, Mom.

02:38:26.300 --> 02:38:27.620
Or if you take it as...

02:38:27.620 --> 02:38:28.280
I'm pretty...

02:38:28.280 --> 02:38:28.680
For instance...

02:38:28.680 --> 02:38:31.220
When it comes to this thing of prophecy,
I'm pretty literal, brother.

02:38:31.220 --> 02:38:34.380
In chapter 18, Babylon falls in what?

02:38:34.940 --> 02:38:35.780
How much time?

02:38:37.000 --> 02:38:37.740
One day?

02:38:38.620 --> 02:38:38.900
Okay.

02:38:39.200 --> 02:38:39.800
One day.

02:38:40.200 --> 02:38:41.260
And, you know, you could say...

02:38:41.780 --> 02:38:42.200
That's a year.

02:38:42.200 --> 02:38:42.920
I suppose a year.

02:38:43.860 --> 02:38:44.300
But...

02:38:44.300 --> 02:38:46.100
Ezekiel 4, 6, Numbers 14, 34.

02:38:46.400 --> 02:38:46.600
Sometimes these terms are used...

02:38:46.600 --> 02:38:46.980
I think it's pretty clear.

02:38:47.160 --> 02:38:49.680
Sometimes these terms are used meaning a
brief span of time.

02:38:49.680 --> 02:38:49.760
Okay.

02:38:49.780 --> 02:38:51.340
So I'm not quite as dogmatic on it as you
are.

02:38:51.340 --> 02:38:51.640
Okay.

02:38:51.760 --> 02:38:52.300
I am.

02:38:52.380 --> 02:38:52.620
Okay.

02:38:52.860 --> 02:38:54.340
I'll let you have your interpretation.

02:38:55.560 --> 02:38:58.320
And I'm not saying it's necessarily wrong
because it may well be right.

02:38:58.320 --> 02:39:04.060
But Gary Caugh here tells about the most
addictive and dangerous aspect of

02:39:04.060 --> 02:39:09.720
occultism, which is inducing or entering
into an altered state of consciousness.

02:39:10.420 --> 02:39:15.620
Now, we just mentioned how NLP is involved
in that, an altering of the other person's

02:39:15.620 --> 02:39:16.140
consciousness.

02:39:16.480 --> 02:39:20.760
And I have here the book Transformations,
which...

02:39:20.760 --> 02:39:20.760
Right.

02:39:21.040 --> 02:39:23.280
Out of Neurolinguistic Programming.

02:39:23.300 --> 02:39:23.600
Right.

02:39:23.680 --> 02:39:25.020
Neurolinguistic Programming.

02:39:25.040 --> 02:39:27.380
Written by Richard Bandler and John
Grinder.

02:39:27.380 --> 02:39:30.440
And the structure of hypnosis.

02:39:34.740 --> 02:39:41.540
The altered states are very fundamental to
that whole book, the attempt to induce an

02:39:41.540 --> 02:39:43.860
altered state and then inject new
learning.

02:39:44.080 --> 02:39:46.580
Well, that's why Neurolinguistic
Programming has to come...

02:39:47.340 --> 02:39:51.760
why our leadership has to bring that into
our church, because that's all part of the

02:39:51.760 --> 02:39:52.520
Jesuit agenda.

02:39:52.880 --> 02:39:53.160
Right.

02:39:53.540 --> 02:39:58.980
It's part of the whole overall agenda of
the Masons and the entire picture.

02:39:59.160 --> 02:40:01.060
And, of course, they're all working
together.

02:40:01.800 --> 02:40:06.600
I found that achieving altered states is
one of the chief unifying factors among

02:40:06.600 --> 02:40:07.240
New Agers.

02:40:08.560 --> 02:40:15.460
And then he discusses a little bit about
how God created us with a type of

02:40:15.460 --> 02:40:19.660
protective dome to shield us from the
realm of the occult.

02:40:19.860 --> 02:40:24.520
But if we choose to disobey God and His
warnings, it's possible to break through

02:40:24.520 --> 02:40:28.920
this invisible shield, to tap directly
into the occult, and to communicate with

02:40:28.920 --> 02:40:30.460
the powers of darkness, demons.

02:40:30.580 --> 02:40:32.640
Now, this is what the New Age is involved
with.

02:40:33.420 --> 02:40:37.340
This can be achieved in many ways using a
variety of concentration and meditation

02:40:37.340 --> 02:40:38.100
techniques.

02:40:38.220 --> 02:40:44.520
You know, it was interesting to me,
John, when I was reading the lessons on

02:40:44.520 --> 02:40:49.380
contemplative prayer by Bill Lovelace,
that he handed out.

02:40:50.620 --> 02:40:56.920
In the middle of the lessons were various
techniques listed, and one of them was

02:40:56.920 --> 02:41:02.760
mantras, which is when you induce an
altered state by repeating the same word

02:41:02.760 --> 02:41:03.500
over and over again.

02:41:03.920 --> 02:41:08.440
But I found out there's more to it than
even verbal mantras that are being used

02:41:08.440 --> 02:41:08.740
now.

02:41:09.320 --> 02:41:13.820
A friend of mine, a good friend of mine,
called me up from hundreds of miles away,

02:41:13.900 --> 02:41:17.900
and he said, in our church school,
Seventh-day Adventist church school,

02:41:17.900 --> 02:41:21.160
they're making all the children lie down
flat on their backs on the floor,

02:41:21.420 --> 02:41:26.040
and the adults are going around and
rhythmically pressing their biceps muscle.

02:41:26.580 --> 02:41:32.880
And I was a little bit intrigued by that,
wondering how that tied in with the whole

02:41:32.880 --> 02:41:33.300
picture.

02:41:33.580 --> 02:41:37.720
And I was discussing it with a physician
friend of mine in another state,

02:41:38.120 --> 02:41:41.500
and he said, oh, that's what's called a
physical mantra.

02:41:42.040 --> 02:41:42.860
You see?

02:41:43.080 --> 02:41:51.160
To induce hypnosis in a state of
submission and subordination, using

02:41:51.160 --> 02:41:53.900
physical squeezing repetitiously.

02:41:54.320 --> 02:41:59.160
I do not believe that those Seventh-day
Adventist school teachers, doing that,

02:41:59.380 --> 02:42:00.720
realized what they were doing.

02:42:00.840 --> 02:42:02.400
They had just been trained that way.

02:42:02.420 --> 02:42:04.700
They'd been told that in some teacher
seminar.

02:42:05.300 --> 02:42:09.760
They had gone to one of our workers'
retreats, and had been taught that by some

02:42:09.760 --> 02:42:10.920
guy like Bill Loveless.

02:42:10.920 --> 02:42:14.440
You know, they don't realize how they're
playing a part in all this, what all this

02:42:14.440 --> 02:42:15.100
is that they're doing.

02:42:15.380 --> 02:42:18.520
And these people are doing it innocently,
but they're doing it nonetheless.

02:42:19.140 --> 02:42:22.700
Because they're being trained by these men
like Bill Loveless.

02:42:22.820 --> 02:42:27.280
Now, you know, Bill Loveless, just between
you and me, you think he's ignorant of

02:42:27.280 --> 02:42:28.820
what he's doing, or do you think he is
aware?

02:42:29.200 --> 02:42:30.040
I think he's aware.

02:42:30.140 --> 02:42:30.980
You think he is aware.

02:42:30.980 --> 02:42:36.000
I thought he was perhaps ignorant the
first time I encountered his tape.

02:42:36.520 --> 02:42:39.920
But since then, when I see that he's
recommending the spiritual exercises of

02:42:39.920 --> 02:42:44.000
the Jesuits, he's recommending William
Johnston, a Jesuit in Sophia University,

02:42:44.180 --> 02:42:48.240
he's recommending St. John of the Cross,
one of the greatest Spanish mystics of the

02:42:48.240 --> 02:42:51.740
Roman Catholic Church, and St. Teresa,
he knows what he's doing.

02:42:51.800 --> 02:42:52.600
He's got to know what he's doing.

02:42:52.620 --> 02:42:54.540
Yes, so Bill Loveless knows what he's
doing.

02:42:54.640 --> 02:42:56.460
I think he knows full well what he's
doing.

02:42:57.120 --> 02:42:57.540
Absolutely.

02:42:58.000 --> 02:43:01.700
Into yoga and all of this TM and all of
this stuff.

02:43:02.600 --> 02:43:07.280
I'm quite confident he knows very well
what he's doing at this point.

02:43:08.580 --> 02:43:15.080
Then he discusses other New Age devices,
such as the use of hypnosis to travel back

02:43:15.080 --> 02:43:17.540
into their past lives, past life
regression.

02:43:18.080 --> 02:43:20.740
And we've heard a bit of that lately.

02:43:21.620 --> 02:43:25.860
Distinct visions about future events,
direct interaction with spirit beings,

02:43:26.060 --> 02:43:28.580
usually referred to as spirit guides or
simply guides.

02:43:28.700 --> 02:43:34.180
Now here I have Martin Kelsey's Companions
on the Inner Way.

02:43:34.180 --> 02:43:39.540
And he says in the back here that over 40
years ago, writes Father Kelsey,

02:43:39.680 --> 02:43:43.300
I began my own attempt to be open to God
and allow the Holy One to take part in my

02:43:43.300 --> 02:43:43.560
life.

02:43:43.620 --> 02:43:50.760
Over 30 years ago I came in touch with
some guides on this journey and found some

02:43:50.760 --> 02:43:53.400
ways of opening myself to God's incredible
love.

02:43:53.840 --> 02:43:55.600
Notice the terminology they use.

02:43:56.120 --> 02:43:57.900
They use incredible love.

02:43:58.080 --> 02:44:01.360
And he's the one that we mentioned in
Jesuit Agenda 1, who refers to the

02:44:01.360 --> 02:44:04.600
spiritual exercises in a couple of places
in this book.

02:44:04.760 --> 02:44:06.860
And he's really into journaling.

02:44:07.720 --> 02:44:12.220
Which is what Bill Loveless told the
pastors to do at the end of that little

02:44:12.220 --> 02:44:16.500
thing that he took them on, those
spiritual exercises, told them to journal

02:44:16.500 --> 02:44:16.740
it.

02:44:16.960 --> 02:44:21.300
And I'm hearing that from all over the
place now, how that our pastors and our

02:44:21.300 --> 02:44:23.580
workers are being taught how to do this
and to journal.

02:44:23.960 --> 02:44:26.280
It seems like all of a sudden that's just
popped on the horizon.

02:44:26.360 --> 02:44:27.680
Everybody's talking about journaling.

02:44:27.940 --> 02:44:29.880
It's just part of the Jesuit Agenda.

02:44:29.880 --> 02:44:34.580
Yes, and Ignatius Loyola did it,
and he recommended it in the spiritual

02:44:34.580 --> 02:44:35.300
exercises.

02:44:36.000 --> 02:44:39.600
He has a whole chapter in here on the
personal journal.

02:44:40.840 --> 02:44:48.100
And I think it's very interesting about
how they will record all of these

02:44:48.100 --> 02:44:49.280
experiences.

02:44:49.580 --> 02:44:52.400
For instance, he's discussing here what is
a journal for.

02:44:52.920 --> 02:44:57.400
The first use of the diary or personal log
is to record things so that we do not

02:44:57.400 --> 02:44:58.000
forget them.

02:44:58.000 --> 02:45:00.940
In order to keep track of money and
property, of ideas, events, and

02:45:00.940 --> 02:45:01.420
relationships.

02:45:01.960 --> 02:45:03.300
How fallible our memories are.

02:45:03.400 --> 02:45:07.160
Events we thought would never grow dim can
fade, get garbled, and be lost.

02:45:07.240 --> 02:45:09.580
Several years ago I had an amazing series
of dreams.

02:45:10.120 --> 02:45:13.720
In one of them I found myself pierced with
a beam of light that revealed the darkest

02:45:13.720 --> 02:45:15.800
and deepest hidden uglinesses within me.

02:45:16.260 --> 02:45:20.580
Then suddenly the light became an ordinary
human being who reached down and lifted me

02:45:20.580 --> 02:45:23.020
from where I was kneeling in the light.

02:45:23.360 --> 02:45:24.860
I wrote the whole experience out.

02:45:24.860 --> 02:45:27.800
I thought that I could remember all the
details, but when I went back two years

02:45:27.800 --> 02:45:31.520
later I discovered I had totally forgotten
some of the most significant details.

02:45:32.040 --> 02:45:34.960
And had avoided some of the obvious
implications of the experience.

02:45:35.320 --> 02:45:40.440
I'm coming to the conclusion, John,
that this journaling provides the person

02:45:40.440 --> 02:45:44.360
who is involved with the spiritual
exercises and these occult experiences.

02:45:45.000 --> 02:45:46.620
Ignatius Loyola was involved with them.

02:45:46.700 --> 02:45:49.660
He saw bright light that he thought was
Christ.

02:45:49.780 --> 02:45:50.820
He considered to be Christ.

02:45:50.920 --> 02:45:53.860
He saw apparitions, visions appeared to
him.

02:45:53.860 --> 02:45:59.540
And these altered states and trances that
these people go into with the repetition

02:45:59.540 --> 02:46:04.080
and the spiritual exercises opens the
person up to what we're talking about

02:46:04.080 --> 02:46:04.440
here.

02:46:04.480 --> 02:46:05.460
Don't you recognize this?

02:46:05.520 --> 02:46:11.000
This goes right along with the white light
that we read about on becoming a master

02:46:11.000 --> 02:46:14.900
student in the course that's being taught
in so many, if not all, of our colleges.

02:46:14.900 --> 02:46:17.200
It's preparing our students.

02:46:17.340 --> 02:46:21.600
You see, it's coming in from every facet
in the educational system and in every way

02:46:21.600 --> 02:46:26.060
preparing our people for this experience.

02:46:28.180 --> 02:46:33.820
It's coming to the place, John,
where the only way we'll survive is with a

02:46:33.820 --> 02:46:35.520
revival of primitive godliness.

02:46:35.520 --> 02:46:36.840
I fear for our people, Bob.

02:46:36.860 --> 02:46:39.740
I fear for our people.

02:46:41.560 --> 02:46:44.340
Here's another reason here that he gives.

02:46:44.420 --> 02:46:45.300
This is the ninth reason.

02:46:45.400 --> 02:46:46.960
I've skipped over a lot of them.

02:46:48.180 --> 02:46:51.240
There is another quite different reason
for journal keeping, to deepen my

02:46:51.240 --> 02:46:55.720
relationship with that center of spiritual
reality of which all the great religions

02:46:55.720 --> 02:46:57.140
of humankind speak.

02:46:58.700 --> 02:47:05.560
And so there is this attempt to almost
develop a body of tradition in one's own

02:47:05.560 --> 02:47:09.240
personal experience, which becomes
virtually your Bible.

02:47:10.220 --> 02:47:17.160
And you use the Bible to facilitate in the
spiritual exercises your experience in

02:47:17.160 --> 02:47:19.040
making these kind of contacts.

02:47:19.340 --> 02:47:21.900
And of course, this is what I have heard
from Pentecostalism.

02:47:22.060 --> 02:47:23.840
You know, Pentecostalism ties into all
this.

02:47:24.400 --> 02:47:26.280
Pentecostalism and Catholicism.

02:47:26.340 --> 02:47:28.280
We studied this in the last Jesuit Agenda.

02:47:28.740 --> 02:47:32.820
And how that this is what the Pentecostals
have been saying for years, is that you

02:47:32.820 --> 02:47:34.220
just rely upon the Spirit.

02:47:34.520 --> 02:47:38.240
And you don't really need the Bible and
the Word if you just are in tune with the

02:47:38.240 --> 02:47:38.460
Spirit.

02:47:38.580 --> 02:47:39.920
It will lead you into all truth.

02:47:40.320 --> 02:47:42.940
Just plug in to the Spirit.

02:47:42.940 --> 02:47:48.440
Put those hands and sing it again.

02:47:58.130 --> 02:47:58.890
I'm a scribe.

02:48:00.210 --> 02:48:06.340
God is about to hit this place in a mighty
way.

02:48:08.360 --> 02:48:09.440
Thank you for these nuns.

02:48:11.160 --> 02:48:13.760
Thank you for giving me nuns to teach me
as a child.

02:48:14.080 --> 02:48:14.500
Thank you.

02:48:15.920 --> 02:48:17.460
Thank you for the anointing.

02:48:49.110 --> 02:48:50.270
I'm taking my shoes off.

02:48:50.390 --> 02:48:51.350
I'm standing on holy ground.

02:48:52.730 --> 02:48:56.170
You know what I like to do sometimes?

02:48:56.170 --> 02:48:58.170
You may think I'm silly, but I like to do
it.

02:48:58.370 --> 02:49:00.730
I like to throw Jesus kisses every so
often.

02:49:01.590 --> 02:49:03.050
Does anybody ever do that?

02:49:04.630 --> 02:49:05.650
Oh, the nuns do it.

02:49:05.690 --> 02:49:06.710
See, now I know.

02:49:06.830 --> 02:49:11.250
Oh, now I know why the nuns brought me up,
because they love the Lord so much.

02:49:11.890 --> 02:49:14.190
I want you all to look up and go just like
this.

02:49:14.250 --> 02:49:15.290
Say, Jesus, I love you.

02:49:15.810 --> 02:49:16.610
Come on, do it.

02:49:17.070 --> 02:49:18.250
Jesus, I love you.

02:49:19.830 --> 02:49:22.150
And give Him a big hand clap for all this.

02:49:24.910 --> 02:49:27.010
Power of the Holy Ghost.

02:49:29.440 --> 02:49:31.080
Beautiful children, Lord.

02:49:32.600 --> 02:49:33.960
Give her beautiful children.

02:49:35.780 --> 02:49:37.520
Give her beautiful boys.

02:49:40.670 --> 02:49:42.450
The Lord just said, two boys.

02:49:53.300 --> 02:49:54.880
What did He say?

02:49:56.540 --> 02:49:58.620
Joshua and Jeremy.

02:50:03.220 --> 02:50:04.660
She's laughing down here.

02:50:04.680 --> 02:50:06.180
She said, Joshua and Jeremy.

02:50:07.920 --> 02:50:09.260
Look at her laugh.

02:50:40.990 --> 02:50:43.090
Let the choir experience that,
Lord.

02:50:43.770 --> 02:50:46.790
Let the choir experience that,
Lord, in Jesus' name.

02:50:47.350 --> 02:50:47.890
Are you ready?

02:50:48.970 --> 02:50:50.370
Are you really ready?

02:50:52.090 --> 02:50:53.750
Take it in Jesus' name.

02:51:01.130 --> 02:51:04.310
I think you ought to give the Lord a big,
big hand clap, don't you think?

02:51:05.870 --> 02:51:06.310
This

02:51:49.440 --> 02:51:52.140
man is having a glorious experience.

02:51:55.080 --> 02:51:56.120
You too, guys.

02:52:36.050 --> 02:52:38.370
And of course, this is what I have heard
from Pentecostalism.

02:52:39.210 --> 02:52:40.970
You know, Pentecostalism ties into all
this.

02:52:41.570 --> 02:52:45.410
Pentecostalism and Catholicism,
we studied this in the last Jesuit Agenda.

02:52:45.870 --> 02:52:49.270
And how that this is what the Pentecostals
have been saying for years.

02:52:49.410 --> 02:52:51.370
Is that you just rely upon the Spirit.

02:52:51.370 --> 02:52:55.390
And you don't really need the Bible and
the Word if you just are in tune with the

02:52:55.390 --> 02:52:55.610
Spirit.

02:52:55.730 --> 02:52:57.050
It will lead you into all truth.

02:52:57.430 --> 02:53:01.510
Just plug into the Spirit, and that's what
will lead you into truth.

02:53:01.770 --> 02:53:02.770
And let it decide.

02:53:03.250 --> 02:53:05.330
And that's all part of this rationalism.

02:53:05.710 --> 02:53:10.550
You know, just letting your own mind,
what is wrong and right in your own mind,

02:53:11.170 --> 02:53:13.570
determine where you go and what you do in
life.

02:53:13.650 --> 02:53:15.030
Just be plugged into the Spirit.

02:53:15.030 --> 02:53:20.050
And in the spiritual exercises,
there is this discerning of spirits,

02:53:20.110 --> 02:53:20.950
is a big thing.

02:53:21.570 --> 02:53:24.430
The discerning of...

02:53:24.430 --> 02:53:26.590
Oh, it talks about spiritual gifts.

02:53:26.750 --> 02:53:29.130
Whether it's a, oh yes, good and evil
spirits.

02:53:29.610 --> 02:53:33.230
Incidentally, while we're on this,
because this is a dimension of the New

02:53:33.230 --> 02:53:35.550
Age, the revival of the spiritual
exercises.

02:53:36.170 --> 02:53:39.990
Out of this, choosing Christ in the world,
directing the spiritual exercises of St.

02:53:40.050 --> 02:53:43.230
Ignatius Loyola, according to annotations
18 and 19.

02:53:43.230 --> 02:53:47.990
I should mention what annotations 18 and
19 are, because that's significant too.

02:53:48.910 --> 02:53:53.050
Here I have the spiritual exercises of St.
Ignatius, a literal translation,

02:53:53.470 --> 02:53:55.450
and a contemporary reading by David L.

02:53:55.570 --> 02:53:58.370
Fleming, S.J., who is a Jesuit.

02:53:59.150 --> 02:54:03.410
I'll read the 18th and 19th annotation,
or parts of them here.

02:54:03.550 --> 02:54:04.750
This is on page 14.

02:54:05.550 --> 02:54:06.830
The 18th annotation.

02:54:06.830 --> 02:54:07.930
The 18th.

02:54:18.710 --> 02:54:19.630
So,

02:54:24.290 --> 02:54:30.990
the 18th annotation calls for the
adaptation of the spiritual exercises to

02:54:30.990 --> 02:54:33.910
the person that you are giving them to.

02:54:33.910 --> 02:54:38.910
Again, that each should be given to...
that should be given to each one by which,

02:54:39.070 --> 02:54:42.770
according to his wish to dispose himself,
he may be better able to help himself and

02:54:42.770 --> 02:54:43.230
to profit.

02:54:44.110 --> 02:54:47.490
So to him who wants help to be instructed
and to come to certain degree of

02:54:47.490 --> 02:54:51.130
contentment of soul, can be given the
particular examen, then the general

02:54:51.130 --> 02:54:54.790
examen, also for a half hour in the
morning, the method of prayer on the

02:54:54.790 --> 02:54:56.010
commandments, the deadly sins.

02:54:56.270 --> 02:55:00.890
You notice how there's a method of prayer
on the... on the Lord's Prayer that has

02:55:00.890 --> 02:55:03.330
come into our church through the Oregon
Conference.

02:55:03.770 --> 02:55:10.230
And how that in Dave Snyder's book,
and then it was also brought over into

02:55:10.230 --> 02:55:14.370
Trinity Power Circle from 2020,
then into Trinity Power Circle,

02:55:14.550 --> 02:55:17.530
the importance of prayer and how just
spending this time in prayer.

02:55:17.770 --> 02:55:22.470
And it's all right of this... out of this
thing that you're reading about.

02:55:22.690 --> 02:55:27.370
Nobody is saying that prayer is not
important, but it's how it's promoted in

02:55:27.370 --> 02:55:31.250
these books and how it lends itself to
write what we're reading out of this

02:55:31.250 --> 02:55:32.110
Jesuit thinking.

02:55:32.250 --> 02:55:35.210
Well, the Hindus pray, you know,
all the religions of the world pray.

02:55:35.630 --> 02:55:39.670
But the prayer, of course, has to be
combined with following the truth.

02:55:39.810 --> 02:55:40.250
Obedience.

02:55:40.270 --> 02:55:41.070
Accepting the truth.

02:55:41.230 --> 02:55:41.490
Obedience.

02:55:41.490 --> 02:55:41.890
To the truth.

02:55:42.030 --> 02:55:42.470
That's right.

02:55:42.510 --> 02:55:45.670
Nothing is said about obedience and
following... everything is talking about

02:55:45.670 --> 02:55:48.550
the length of time spent in prayer.

02:55:49.130 --> 02:55:52.030
Yes, that's a big thing in the charismatic
movement also.

02:55:52.030 --> 02:55:59.310
Now, in this book of the director's notes
for choosing Christ in the world,

02:55:59.450 --> 02:56:05.110
for conducting the exercises, on page 182
of Choosing Christ in the World,

02:56:05.230 --> 02:56:09.730
Directing the Spiritual Exercises,
the author tells of what has happened

02:56:09.730 --> 02:56:13.990
recently in the spiritual exercises,
in the teaching of the spiritual

02:56:13.990 --> 02:56:14.550
exercises.

02:56:14.810 --> 02:56:17.810
He says, the therapeutic model is very
recent.

02:56:17.810 --> 02:56:21.750
It grew out of Rogerian and other
client-centered processes, current during

02:56:21.750 --> 02:56:26.590
the 1950s and 1960s, when most of us began
taking spiritual direction seriously,

02:56:26.710 --> 02:56:29.830
and when the company of Jesus,
that's the Jesuits, in the United States,

02:56:29.910 --> 02:56:32.970
began once again practicing the exercises
one-on-one.

02:56:33.490 --> 02:56:37.750
The therapeutic model of spiritual
direction focuses tightly on the interior

02:56:37.750 --> 02:56:42.330
experience of the person, asking
constantly what the person feels and

02:56:42.330 --> 02:56:45.630
wants, and how the person feels called
forth by the church's life.

02:56:45.630 --> 02:56:49.970
For instance, the director working in this
model would not know how to interpret an

02:56:49.970 --> 02:56:53.770
individual's experience of consolation,
except according to that person's

02:56:53.770 --> 02:56:56.570
individual's history or personality.

02:56:57.510 --> 02:57:03.330
Then he tells about the other model of
teaching the spiritual exercises,

02:57:04.090 --> 02:57:08.350
which is the apostolic model of spiritual
direction, the Ignatian.

02:57:08.730 --> 02:57:13.930
It grew out of Inigo's friendships and
conversations during the 1520s,

02:57:13.930 --> 02:57:16.010
when the exercises took their shape.

02:57:17.290 --> 02:57:21.110
This is very interesting here,
because it says that the model,

02:57:21.210 --> 02:57:26.630
that is, the apostolic model, asks not
only what the person's gifts are,

02:57:27.030 --> 02:57:32.670
but also what concrete project those gifts
are given for, and for whom other than the

02:57:32.670 --> 02:57:34.350
person in direction.

02:57:34.930 --> 02:57:39.630
The director who follows the apostolic
model tends to trust the structure of the

02:57:39.630 --> 02:57:43.830
spiritual exercises at least as much as
his or her own adaptations.

02:57:44.210 --> 02:57:49.190
I've often wondered why every once in a
while there seems to be a great drive for

02:57:49.190 --> 02:57:51.090
everyone to discover their spiritual
gifts.

02:57:51.590 --> 02:57:55.310
Instead of just focusing on giving the
message of the church, and thankfully

02:57:55.310 --> 02:57:59.450
receiving the gifts God gives and
proclaiming the message, there are these

02:57:59.450 --> 02:58:03.950
tests that are given and discerning the
spiritual gifts and how they can fit into

02:58:03.950 --> 02:58:05.270
the church program.

02:58:05.270 --> 02:58:12.070
And I thought this was rather enlightening
here, about the use of spiritual gifts in

02:58:12.070 --> 02:58:12.770
the spiritual exercises.

02:58:12.770 --> 02:58:14.250
You keep referring to this book.

02:58:14.290 --> 02:58:15.610
I think you're about halfway through it.

02:58:15.790 --> 02:58:17.310
Give us the title once again.

02:58:17.410 --> 02:58:17.570
Okay.

02:58:17.730 --> 02:58:19.270
En Route to Global Occupation.

02:58:19.290 --> 02:58:20.570
And who is the man's name that wrote it?

02:58:20.690 --> 02:58:21.670
Gary Caugh.

02:58:21.730 --> 02:58:21.790
K-A-H.

02:58:21.790 --> 02:58:24.090
I can't believe this man's insight!

02:58:24.330 --> 02:58:24.490
Yeah.

02:58:24.850 --> 02:58:26.810
He sounds like a Seventh-day Adventist.

02:58:26.830 --> 02:58:28.090
Where did he learn all this?

02:58:28.530 --> 02:58:30.770
Just the last few years researching.

02:58:31.150 --> 02:58:32.790
He didn't even know any of it a few years
ago.

02:58:32.790 --> 02:58:35.170
Man, what's keeping this man from getting
knocked off?

02:58:35.450 --> 02:58:37.150
I think he's using a pseudonym,
possibly.

02:58:37.330 --> 02:58:38.250
Well, smartly so.

02:58:38.630 --> 02:58:47.530
You know, when you realize, Bob,
the people who have been killed for

02:58:47.530 --> 02:58:52.130
revealing the things that this man is
revealing, and revealing the things that

02:58:52.130 --> 02:58:56.690
we are revealing, if we didn't have
absolute faith in God, I mean,

02:58:56.730 --> 02:58:58.570
there would be no purpose in us doing
this.

02:58:58.570 --> 02:59:03.310
And then to hear people say that somehow
you and I are in this for the money,

02:59:03.470 --> 02:59:06.470
or that we're, you know, this is so
comical.

02:59:06.590 --> 02:59:10.910
I mean, here we are, laying our life on
the line, just as this man is,

02:59:11.150 --> 02:59:17.250
in exposing this stuff, and somehow there
is some ulterior motive that we have in

02:59:17.250 --> 02:59:17.870
doing this.

02:59:18.110 --> 02:59:21.850
There's some ulterior motive that we would
have in not doing it, and that's staying

02:59:21.850 --> 02:59:22.430
alive.

02:59:24.230 --> 02:59:29.550
Here he says, on page 71, Going into an
altered state is extremely dangerous.

02:59:30.650 --> 02:59:33.630
In fact, there are New Age books available
about techniques that will supposedly

02:59:33.630 --> 02:59:35.490
protect against having bad experiences.

02:59:35.610 --> 02:59:40.530
The next page, page 72, he discusses deep
hypnosis, and what happens under deep

02:59:40.530 --> 02:59:41.350
hypnosis.

02:59:41.590 --> 02:59:46.790
He tells about how a few years ago,
an expert on hypnosis was invited to my

02:59:46.790 --> 02:59:50.370
niece's high school to demonstrate the art
that is of hypnosis.

02:59:50.370 --> 02:59:54.350
He asked for volunteers to come up to the
platform, after which he succeeded at

02:59:54.350 --> 02:59:56.510
placing several of these students into
trances.

02:59:57.210 --> 03:00:00.990
Two years later, when he came back to the
same school, he demonstrated that his

03:00:00.990 --> 03:00:03.690
power was still in effect over those who
had been hypnotized.

03:00:03.930 --> 03:00:08.730
He simply spoke a trigger word,
and the sound of his voice allegedly put

03:00:08.730 --> 03:00:11.870
the previously hypnotized students back
into a trance.

03:00:12.270 --> 03:00:14.890
This spooked a number of the students,
as well it should.

03:00:14.890 --> 03:00:16.710
Now that's what's called anchoring.

03:00:17.710 --> 03:00:19.090
In NLP, sure.

03:00:19.130 --> 03:00:23.050
They will touch a person in a certain
place on their arm, or say a certain word,

03:00:23.110 --> 03:00:26.970
and then when they see the person again,
they'll use the trigger anchor word to

03:00:26.970 --> 03:00:29.270
bring the person back into the altered
state.

03:00:29.710 --> 03:00:31.790
It's hypnosis, pure and simple.

03:00:31.810 --> 03:00:36.250
Now notice how he wrestles with this
issue, or discusses this issue about the

03:00:36.250 --> 03:00:38.710
benevolent, quote-unquote, use of
hypnosis.

03:00:39.190 --> 03:00:42.630
While this particular hypnotist appears to
have been benevolent up to this point,

03:00:42.630 --> 03:00:45.870
his practices are nevertheless cultish and
should be avoided.

03:00:46.390 --> 03:00:50.210
There is no such thing as good occultism,
or good white magic.

03:00:50.670 --> 03:00:51.570
Both are of Satan.

03:00:52.030 --> 03:00:55.710
What appears to be good in the realm of
the occult only appears that way until the

03:00:55.710 --> 03:00:58.450
moment that Satan decides to use it for
his evil intentions.

03:00:59.110 --> 03:01:02.570
No one should allow themselves to be
fooled into thinking that they can use or

03:01:02.570 --> 03:01:07.330
manipulate occult powers to harmlessly
accomplish good, positive changes.

03:01:07.510 --> 03:01:08.470
If they do...

03:01:08.470 --> 03:01:10.330
Ah, go on.

03:01:13.090 --> 03:01:16.390
That's what's behind this whole listening
skill, isn't it?

03:01:16.990 --> 03:01:22.910
Because the idea is to take the NLP
techniques and use them for a good purpose

03:01:22.910 --> 03:01:24.270
in church growth.

03:01:24.430 --> 03:01:27.150
Yes, we're going to use them for church
growth and for evangelism.

03:01:27.410 --> 03:01:30.330
Listen, you can finish this thought if you
want, but before you get away from this,

03:01:30.490 --> 03:01:35.330
I want you to tell us about how you
handled a Seventh-day Adventist

03:01:35.330 --> 03:01:40.570
NLP-trained pastor that came to see your
mother or your father in the hospital,

03:01:40.950 --> 03:01:47.410
and how our people should deal with these
NLP pastors that they have.

03:01:48.230 --> 03:01:55.090
If they do... if they think they can use
hypnosis for good, it is they who are

03:01:55.090 --> 03:01:57.290
being manipulated, not the spirit world.

03:01:58.010 --> 03:01:58.810
That's very interesting.

03:01:58.890 --> 03:02:00.430
Well, John, you wanted me to tell that
experience.

03:02:00.550 --> 03:02:04.690
I would like first to talk about Pavlov
for just a second to show the impact of

03:02:04.690 --> 03:02:04.810
it.

03:02:06.270 --> 03:02:10.310
You're talking about Pavlov's dog that we
studied about in school, about the dinging

03:02:10.310 --> 03:02:14.230
of the bell and eating, and then finally
just dinged the bell and then he just

03:02:14.230 --> 03:02:17.270
salivated without even having to see or
smell the food.

03:02:17.410 --> 03:02:18.790
That's called programming, isn't it?

03:02:18.790 --> 03:02:20.890
Yeah, that's called programming in NLP.

03:02:21.510 --> 03:02:24.490
Now, here is Pavlov's, I.P.

03:02:24.750 --> 03:02:25.910
Pavlov's, conditioned reflexes.

03:02:26.550 --> 03:02:30.790
He's the great Russian scientist who spent
25 years studying dogs and doing

03:02:30.790 --> 03:02:34.490
experiments on dogs.

03:02:35.190 --> 03:02:42.270
And what interested me in getting this
book was a video that Jim Arabito put out

03:02:42.270 --> 03:02:48.050
where he told of how Pavlov had found by
running two different beats together he

03:02:48.050 --> 03:02:51.670
could blow a dog's brain, he could destroy
the dog's brain.

03:02:53.010 --> 03:03:00.410
Here he discusses tactile stimulation and
running those together.

03:03:03.470 --> 03:03:09.870
The running of the two touchings of the
dogs at different rates together created a

03:03:09.870 --> 03:03:13.050
pathological disturbance of the cortical
activities in the dog.

03:03:13.890 --> 03:03:16.910
At first, for a few days, all positive
conditioned reflexes disappeared

03:03:16.910 --> 03:03:17.390
completely.

03:03:17.390 --> 03:03:24.050
So it disrupted the past pattern of the
dog to respond reflexively in a normal

03:03:24.050 --> 03:03:27.290
behavior to things that he had been
trained to do before.

03:03:28.110 --> 03:03:34.390
And then he found that the overall
disturbance to the cerebral cortex of this

03:03:34.390 --> 03:03:40.790
dog by just touching him with a tactile
stimulation at the rate of 24 per minute

03:03:40.790 --> 03:03:45.410
as a positive stimulus and a stimulation
at the rate of 12 per minute as a negative

03:03:45.410 --> 03:03:52.270
one when he allowed the positive rate of
the tactile stimulation to follow the

03:03:52.270 --> 03:03:57.750
inhibitory rate without any interval of
time, it disrupted the dog's cerebral

03:03:57.750 --> 03:04:00.990
cortex for five and a half weeks.

03:04:01.710 --> 03:04:02.270
Weeks?

03:04:02.430 --> 03:04:02.870
Yes.

03:04:03.070 --> 03:04:06.890
Not five and a half minutes or five and a
half days, but five and a half weeks.

03:04:07.110 --> 03:04:11.390
Is this the same thing that young people
get in rock music?

03:04:11.510 --> 03:04:12.630
Two different beats?

03:04:12.830 --> 03:04:14.370
Yes, absolutely.

03:04:14.370 --> 03:04:16.470
Two different melodies?

03:04:16.690 --> 03:04:22.190
He used the metronome, he used tactile
stimulation, he used lights, he used

03:04:22.190 --> 03:04:26.030
buzzers, all as different types of
stimulation.

03:04:26.330 --> 03:04:30.030
In another experiment, right over the
dog's dish when he came to eat,

03:04:30.710 --> 03:04:34.130
he projected a circle of light.

03:04:34.910 --> 03:04:40.350
And then as the days went on, he warped
that circle until it came down more and

03:04:40.350 --> 03:04:42.530
more into a tighter and tighter ellipse.

03:04:42.530 --> 03:04:46.130
And finally the dog went crazy just from
that stimulation.

03:04:46.830 --> 03:04:49.090
Now, look at what happens with rock music.

03:04:49.210 --> 03:04:53.350
You run the auditory beat together,
you have the power of suggestion from the

03:04:53.350 --> 03:04:57.130
voice, which Pavlov says is more powerful
than anything he could do on the dog.

03:04:57.250 --> 03:04:58.710
The human speech is more powerful.

03:04:59.190 --> 03:05:05.170
And you have the lights flashing also,
you have all of this stimuli which is

03:05:05.170 --> 03:05:10.230
calculated to disrupt the cerebral cortex
far beyond anything that Pavlov could do

03:05:10.230 --> 03:05:10.930
with his dogs.

03:05:11.030 --> 03:05:15.550
And it's all brought together in a
convergence at a high pitch of intensity.

03:05:15.750 --> 03:05:20.510
Well, this is the religious rock group
that the ordained Seventh-day Adventist

03:05:20.510 --> 03:05:26.250
youth pastor took all the church young
people to for a Seventh-day Adventist

03:05:26.250 --> 03:05:27.690
church outing.

03:06:20.470 --> 03:06:23.450
Sounds like a celebration church service
to me, Bob.

03:06:23.630 --> 03:06:24.190
That's right.

03:06:24.850 --> 03:06:30.650
Forget the rock concert, that sounds like
a celebration church.

03:06:30.890 --> 03:06:33.110
Don't you see that this all ties together?

03:06:33.410 --> 03:06:36.090
This has to be brought into the church to
control the people.

03:06:36.450 --> 03:06:40.510
Everything is for one purpose,
and that is to control the mind.

03:06:40.650 --> 03:06:44.510
Notice how powerfully this controls the
mind, John.

03:06:45.390 --> 03:06:51.930
Here on page 407 of Pavlov, he says,
Among the various aspects of the hypnotic

03:06:51.930 --> 03:06:56.650
state in man... Incidentally, after all
these studies, when he's boiling it down

03:06:56.650 --> 03:07:00.570
and discussing the applications to man,
he spends a major part of the last chapter

03:07:00.570 --> 03:07:05.010
discussing hypnosis and what he learned
about hypnosis in man from his experiments

03:07:05.010 --> 03:07:05.790
on the dogs.

03:07:06.570 --> 03:07:10.810
Among the various aspects of the hypnotic
state in man, attention may be drawn to

03:07:10.810 --> 03:07:14.450
suggestion, so-called, and its
physiological interpretation.

03:07:15.290 --> 03:07:21.050
So here he's going to look now at
suggestion and the physiological impact of

03:07:21.050 --> 03:07:23.690
suggestion upon a subject.

03:07:24.770 --> 03:07:29.030
Obviously for man, speech provides
conditioned stimuli which are just as real

03:07:29.030 --> 03:07:30.510
as any other stimuli.

03:07:31.250 --> 03:07:35.390
At the same time, speech provides stimuli
which exceed in richness and

03:07:35.390 --> 03:07:37.250
many-sidedness any of the others.

03:07:37.250 --> 03:07:45.290
So speech is the most powerful agency for
suggestion and stimulus that there is,

03:07:45.330 --> 03:07:49.990
that he knew of, allowing comparison
neither qualitatively nor quantitatively

03:07:49.990 --> 03:07:53.470
with any conditioned stimuli which are
possible in animals.

03:07:54.150 --> 03:07:58.190
Speech, on account of the whole preceding
life of the adult, is connected up with

03:07:58.190 --> 03:08:03.670
all the internal and external stimuli
which can reach the cortex, signaling all

03:08:03.670 --> 03:08:07.850
of them and replacing all of them,
and therefore can call forth all those

03:08:07.850 --> 03:08:11.150
reactions of the organism which are
normally determined by the actual stimuli

03:08:11.150 --> 03:08:11.590
themselves.

03:08:11.730 --> 03:08:17.490
In other words, using speech, you can
condition a person to stimuli that is not

03:08:17.490 --> 03:08:23.190
actually provided by the connection that
your speech makes with past experiences of

03:08:23.190 --> 03:08:24.510
those stimuli in your mind.

03:08:24.510 --> 03:08:25.810
Well, let me ask a question.

03:08:26.190 --> 03:08:33.690
If all these different things that you're
telling us about have the one purpose of

03:08:33.690 --> 03:08:40.470
programming people to respond in a certain
way, could it be that it also programs

03:08:40.470 --> 03:08:43.190
people not to respond?

03:08:43.990 --> 03:08:47.210
That's what they've been programmed to do,
is not to respond.

03:08:48.090 --> 03:08:52.310
Because I can't help but think of the
passage where Isaiah, and also Ellen

03:08:52.310 --> 03:08:57.250
White, speaks of that in the last days
about dumb dogs that won't bark.

03:08:58.210 --> 03:09:00.770
Not to respond to the Lord, but to respond
to other stimuli.

03:09:00.770 --> 03:09:02.390
Exactly, not to respond to the Lord.

03:09:02.690 --> 03:09:06.430
And one of the ways that they have been
programmed to respond is that they don't

03:09:06.430 --> 03:09:06.930
respond.

03:09:07.290 --> 03:09:08.630
Yes, don't respond to the Lord.

03:09:08.670 --> 03:09:08.950
Yeah.

03:09:09.090 --> 03:09:09.350
Right.

03:09:10.110 --> 03:09:14.770
We can therefore regard suggestion as the
most simple form of a typical conditioned

03:09:14.770 --> 03:09:15.850
reflex in man.

03:09:16.450 --> 03:09:20.210
The command of the hypnotist, in
correspondence with the general law,

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concentrates the excitation in the cortex
of the subject, which is in a condition of

03:09:24.610 --> 03:09:28.470
partial inhibition, in some definite
narrow region, at the same time

03:09:28.470 --> 03:09:32.110
intensifying by negative induction the
inhibition in the rest of the cortex,

03:09:32.550 --> 03:09:37.570
and so abolishing all competing effects of
contemporary stimuli and of traces left by

03:09:37.570 --> 03:09:38.730
previously received ones.

03:09:38.790 --> 03:09:43.230
So notice, when a person is under
hypnosis, everything is focused on what is

03:09:43.230 --> 03:09:45.110
happening to him under the hypnotic state.

03:09:45.110 --> 03:09:48.470
And everything else is inhibited,
even his past experience.

03:09:49.710 --> 03:09:52.790
This accounts for the large and
practically insurmountable influence of

03:09:52.790 --> 03:09:56.610
suggestion as a stimulus during hypnosis,
as well as shortly after it.

03:09:56.890 --> 03:10:01.070
The command retains its effect after the
termination of hypnosis, remaining

03:10:01.070 --> 03:10:04.890
independent of other stimuli, being
impermeable to them.

03:10:05.190 --> 03:10:08.970
In other words, other stimuli can't
disrupt the hypnotic command that was

03:10:08.970 --> 03:10:09.850
given under hypnosis.

03:10:09.850 --> 03:10:13.750
Since at the time of primary introduction
of the stimulus into the cortex,

03:10:13.890 --> 03:10:17.310
it was prevented from establishing any
connection with the rest of the cortex.

03:10:17.470 --> 03:10:21.250
So the command that comes from the
hypnotist, and NLP discusses this,

03:10:21.330 --> 03:10:26.470
injecting new learning, is isolated from
connections with other parts of the brain,

03:10:26.570 --> 03:10:32.390
so it's impermeable, and it remains fixed
and isolated in its own integrity in the

03:10:32.390 --> 03:10:33.410
person's brain.

03:10:34.090 --> 03:10:35.730
I mean, that is absolutely scary.

03:10:35.890 --> 03:10:37.150
It's just frightening.

03:10:37.150 --> 03:10:43.650
The great number of stimuli which speech
can replace explains the fact that we can

03:10:43.650 --> 03:10:47.970
suggest to a hypnotized subject so many
different activities, and influence and

03:10:47.970 --> 03:10:50.230
direct the activities of his brain.

03:10:51.590 --> 03:10:55.270
There's page after page that I wish we
could get into here, but I wanted to

03:10:55.270 --> 03:10:59.850
discuss what happens to the motor
analyzer, what happens in the cerebral

03:10:59.850 --> 03:11:00.830
cortex itself.

03:11:00.830 --> 03:11:05.730
He says here, one of the first expressions
of hypnosis in man is the loss of

03:11:05.730 --> 03:11:09.270
so-called voluntary movements and the
development of a cataleptic state,

03:11:09.770 --> 03:11:13.170
that is, maintenance by different parts of
the body of the position given to them by

03:11:13.170 --> 03:11:14.030
external forces.

03:11:14.530 --> 03:11:18.990
This may best be regarded as an isolated
inhibition of the motor analyzer,

03:11:19.390 --> 03:11:22.090
which is not descended to the subcortical
motor centers.

03:11:22.930 --> 03:11:25.850
Other areas of the cortex may continue to
function quite normally.

03:11:25.850 --> 03:11:31.250
When I read this, I thought immediately of
what I had read in the NLP books about

03:11:31.250 --> 03:11:33.970
what the impact of NLP is.

03:11:34.310 --> 03:11:39.630
It's to switch off in the other person's
brain his control over his brain,

03:11:39.830 --> 03:11:40.690
motor analyzer.

03:11:41.390 --> 03:11:46.670
And so you switch off that control and
then the person who's doing the hypnosis,

03:11:46.810 --> 03:11:50.790
NLP hypnosis, can control the other
person's brain without interference from

03:11:50.790 --> 03:11:51.370
the other person.

03:11:51.370 --> 03:11:52.570
That's exactly what we see happening in
our people.

03:11:52.570 --> 03:11:53.930
It inhibits the motor analyzer.

03:11:54.690 --> 03:11:59.910
How did you, Bob, I'm going to ask you
again, how did you handle that situation

03:11:59.910 --> 03:12:01.090
with your mother and father?

03:12:01.170 --> 03:12:02.490
One more thing before I get to that.

03:12:02.750 --> 03:12:07.350
Okay, I don't want to forget it because
our people need to know how to handle this

03:12:07.350 --> 03:12:07.630
stuff.

03:12:07.770 --> 03:12:14.810
In other states of hypnosis, the entire
cerebral cortex will be inhibited.

03:12:14.810 --> 03:12:20.930
So this corresponds in NLP to what is
called the suspension of the belief

03:12:20.930 --> 03:12:21.390
system.

03:12:21.670 --> 03:12:25.990
So you don't have to argue with the other
person's belief system in doing NLP

03:12:25.990 --> 03:12:26.250
hypnosis.

03:12:26.270 --> 03:12:32.170
Do you believe I went too far in my NLP
video when I told our Adventist people

03:12:32.170 --> 03:12:39.590
that if their pastor had been trained in
this, what's it called, Caring Church 1

03:12:39.590 --> 03:12:39.950
and 2?

03:12:40.390 --> 03:12:40.730
Listening skills.

03:12:40.730 --> 03:12:41.730
Where they teach NLP.

03:12:42.410 --> 03:12:43.230
Caring Ministries.

03:12:43.370 --> 03:12:44.430
Okay, what's it called?

03:12:44.430 --> 03:12:45.330
Calling and Caring Ministries.

03:12:45.330 --> 03:12:48.430
Calling and Caring Ministries,
anyway, and any type of NLP techniques.

03:12:48.650 --> 03:12:54.350
And if their pastor was not willing to
repent and forsake it, that they were not

03:12:54.350 --> 03:12:56.550
to walk but to run from that church.

03:12:57.270 --> 03:13:00.330
And if there was not another church in the
area, to start a home church.

03:13:01.030 --> 03:13:02.750
Do you agree with my counsel, Bob?

03:13:02.750 --> 03:13:03.150
Absolutely.

03:13:04.210 --> 03:13:06.510
This is absolutely diabolical.

03:13:06.970 --> 03:13:12.330
After I read this, I turned to my wife and
I said, anyone who understands the

03:13:12.330 --> 03:13:16.910
physiology of what happens in the brain
with the type of techniques we're looking

03:13:16.910 --> 03:13:22.190
at with NLP and with hypnosis,
would not want to have one thing to do

03:13:22.190 --> 03:13:25.670
with a person who is attempting to
influence them that way.

03:13:25.730 --> 03:13:27.150
Well, you wanted to know about my dad.

03:13:27.150 --> 03:13:29.610
Let me just give you one instance.

03:13:30.070 --> 03:13:36.030
There is a person, several people right
here, that come to this ministry and come

03:13:36.030 --> 03:13:40.550
to the Rolling Hills Church from time to
time, who go over to the Mount Dora

03:13:40.550 --> 03:13:42.730
Church, which is four miles down the road.

03:13:43.090 --> 03:13:49.210
And the associate pastor just came out of
his Calling and Caring seminar.

03:13:49.390 --> 03:13:50.750
He was trained in NLP.

03:13:51.490 --> 03:13:56.830
And for the life of me, I can't think...
and after seeing our videos, they still...

03:13:56.830 --> 03:14:01.030
and there are, you know, the churches in
Orlando with NLP trained pastors.

03:14:01.330 --> 03:14:06.970
And people across the nation that we know
are continuing to go to church when they

03:14:06.970 --> 03:14:09.870
know that their pastor has been trained in
this stuff.

03:14:09.990 --> 03:14:13.370
And they say, well, I'm just real careful
and I just don't pay any attention to it.

03:14:13.390 --> 03:14:17.210
And I'm just going to make sure that he
doesn't use any of those techniques on me.

03:14:17.210 --> 03:14:20.530
Is this safe, Bob?

03:14:20.610 --> 03:14:25.610
Is it safe to continue going to a church
when you know that your pastor has been

03:14:25.610 --> 03:14:28.730
involved in being trained in techniques of
NLP?

03:14:29.890 --> 03:14:35.070
To respond to that, John, I'd like to read
from Letter 159, 1903.

03:14:35.650 --> 03:14:38.270
This is in 5th volume of the Bible
Commentary, 1081.

03:14:39.390 --> 03:14:43.770
It's found also in Mind, Character,
and Personality, Volume 2, page 713.

03:14:44.990 --> 03:14:47.050
Satan hypnotized Adam and Eve.

03:14:47.790 --> 03:14:51.970
Satan tempted the first Adam and Eden,
and Adam reasoned with the enemy,

03:14:52.430 --> 03:14:54.530
thus giving him the advantage.

03:14:55.530 --> 03:14:59.610
Satan exercised his power of hypnotism
over Adam and Eve, and this power he

03:14:59.610 --> 03:15:01.490
strove to exercise over Christ.

03:15:01.990 --> 03:15:06.770
But after the word of Scripture was
quoted, Satan knew that he had no chance

03:15:06.770 --> 03:15:07.390
of triumphing.

03:15:07.490 --> 03:15:09.030
Now, look at the two situations.

03:15:09.190 --> 03:15:11.070
Eve put herself in the way of temptation.

03:15:11.070 --> 03:15:14.790
She disregarded God's counsel,
left Adam's side, put herself in the way

03:15:14.790 --> 03:15:15.330
of temptation.

03:15:15.650 --> 03:15:19.310
She reasoned with the one who was trying
to hypnotize her, and she fell,

03:15:19.490 --> 03:15:20.050
just like that.

03:15:20.110 --> 03:15:26.110
That's exactly what our Adventist people
are doing, who know that their pastor or

03:15:26.110 --> 03:15:30.430
their conference leaders have been trained
in NLP, and continue to parley,

03:15:30.810 --> 03:15:34.550
be in the atmosphere of listening to what
these men and women have to say,

03:15:34.550 --> 03:15:38.570
and continue to place themselves in the
way of temptation.

03:15:38.790 --> 03:15:42.410
They are doing exactly what Eve did in the
garden with the serpent.

03:15:42.930 --> 03:15:47.870
And then she says, but after the word of
Scripture was quoted with Christ,

03:15:48.370 --> 03:15:50.190
Satan knew that he had no chance of
triumphing.

03:15:50.270 --> 03:15:51.170
Here you have Christ.

03:15:51.650 --> 03:15:52.950
Satan came to him.

03:15:53.470 --> 03:15:55.610
He had been almost six weeks without food.

03:15:55.610 --> 03:16:03.670
He was lifted in an experience with the
Lord, the glory of which sustained him,

03:16:03.890 --> 03:16:05.490
his experience with his father.

03:16:05.830 --> 03:16:11.030
But after 40 days, that faded away,
and he was terribly hungry.

03:16:11.510 --> 03:16:16.610
The devil comes to him, as an angel of
light, and seeks to hypnotize him,

03:16:16.770 --> 03:16:18.130
just like he did with Adam and Eve.

03:16:18.850 --> 03:16:22.930
But Christ does not parley with him,
Ellen White tells us in Desire of Ages.

03:16:23.110 --> 03:16:24.110
He did not parley with these guys.

03:16:24.110 --> 03:16:26.350
He did not get involved in discussion with
them.

03:16:26.450 --> 03:16:29.630
He quoted Scripture and summarily
dismissed him.

03:16:29.890 --> 03:16:30.070
Yes.

03:16:30.670 --> 03:16:32.510
And Scripture was his defense.

03:16:32.630 --> 03:16:37.630
He would not step off the platform of
Scripture and the counsel of Scripture to

03:16:37.630 --> 03:16:39.250
parley with the enemy.

03:16:39.850 --> 03:16:42.330
And so that is the position that we have
to take.

03:16:42.370 --> 03:16:45.590
And you know, people say, oh John,
you should go talk to these men.

03:16:45.750 --> 03:16:49.130
You should go set up a meeting,
go have a meeting with these men.

03:16:49.130 --> 03:16:50.110
I'm sorry.

03:16:50.370 --> 03:16:51.990
Those days are over.

03:16:52.190 --> 03:16:54.070
I'm not parleying with these guys anymore.

03:16:54.250 --> 03:16:56.070
I'm not having meetings with these guys
anymore.

03:16:56.250 --> 03:16:58.310
I'm not having counsel meetings with these
guys anymore.

03:16:58.550 --> 03:16:59.650
Those days are over.

03:17:00.030 --> 03:17:03.330
These NLP trained men, I will not
communicate with.

03:17:03.390 --> 03:17:04.570
That's all there is to it.

03:17:05.090 --> 03:17:10.270
Well, for me, one of the worst things I've
ever investigated is NLP.

03:17:10.530 --> 03:17:11.130
Most diabolical.

03:17:11.130 --> 03:17:16.150
The only thing I can say is probably more
diabolical is the spiritual exercises and

03:17:16.150 --> 03:17:21.950
the constitutions of the society of Jesus
because it is even closer in its

03:17:21.950 --> 03:17:23.270
appearance of good.

03:17:23.690 --> 03:17:27.090
But there's almost a more evil spirit that
attends that than the other.

03:17:27.250 --> 03:17:29.270
You know, that's what Constance Cumbie
said to me over the phone.

03:17:29.370 --> 03:17:33.250
She says, she said, John, she says,
I am not a Seventh Adventist.

03:17:33.250 --> 03:17:37.490
But she says, I cannot believe that the
Seventh Adventist Church has stooped so

03:17:37.490 --> 03:17:42.610
low to become the highest instigator of
NLP in Christendom.

03:17:43.270 --> 03:17:47.650
Having more of its pastors trained in NLP
almost than all other denominations

03:17:47.650 --> 03:17:48.450
combined.

03:17:48.750 --> 03:17:55.130
And she says, NLP is the most diabolical,
satanic thing I have ever researched in.

03:17:55.190 --> 03:17:58.030
And all of the research that Constance
Cumbie has done and from her book,

03:17:58.070 --> 03:18:00.570
Hidden Secrets of the Rainbow and the
other books that she's written.

03:18:00.570 --> 03:18:05.290
She says, I have never encountered
anything as evil as NLP.

03:18:05.590 --> 03:18:08.370
How did you handle, I'm going to ask you
the third time, I want you to tell me this

03:18:08.370 --> 03:18:08.570
time.

03:18:08.750 --> 03:18:14.830
How did you handle these NLP pastors that
came to visit your mother or your father

03:18:14.830 --> 03:18:16.750
in the hospital when they were sick,
Bob?

03:18:16.870 --> 03:18:20.330
Well, actually it started before my dad
was in the hospital dying of cancer.

03:18:20.570 --> 03:18:23.310
He knew there was something wrong with the
pastor.

03:18:23.430 --> 03:18:26.470
He was the chief ecumenical leader in the
town.

03:18:27.130 --> 03:18:29.670
The sermons he was preaching were very
confusing.

03:18:29.670 --> 03:18:32.330
There was something very strange and very
odd.

03:18:32.410 --> 03:18:33.790
He couldn't put his finger on it.

03:18:34.190 --> 03:18:38.850
And when we published in Freedom's Ring
our research on neuro-linguistic

03:18:38.850 --> 03:18:41.150
programming, he said, immediately said,
that's it.

03:18:41.190 --> 03:18:41.330
That's it.

03:18:41.490 --> 03:18:42.510
That is exactly it.

03:18:42.550 --> 03:18:44.590
And I've had person after person tell me
that.

03:18:44.970 --> 03:18:48.790
That they have been having difficulty
understanding what was going on with their

03:18:48.790 --> 03:18:49.210
pastor.

03:18:49.670 --> 03:18:53.630
But when they either listened to a video
or read that material in Freedom's Ring

03:18:53.630 --> 03:18:57.990
and understood what the NLP techniques
were, they said, that is exactly what's

03:18:57.990 --> 03:18:58.330
happening.

03:18:58.330 --> 03:19:02.470
And so, my father was dying of cancer.

03:19:02.710 --> 03:19:06.370
He was having a very difficult time.

03:19:07.250 --> 03:19:16.130
And the pastor of the Adventist church
there came to visit him when I was by the

03:19:16.130 --> 03:19:16.710
bedside.

03:19:17.250 --> 03:19:20.270
And he came in and there was a very
strange atmosphere when he came in the

03:19:20.270 --> 03:19:20.370
room.

03:19:20.430 --> 03:19:23.750
You know, you can sense when there's an
old time historic Adventist.

03:19:23.870 --> 03:19:24.510
That's right.

03:19:27.190 --> 03:19:28.870
But this is a different spirit.

03:19:29.070 --> 03:19:29.650
It's an evil spirit.

03:19:30.190 --> 03:19:33.950
And just the atmosphere that surrounded
him was very disturbing.

03:19:34.390 --> 03:19:38.750
He came in and he grabbed my father's arm
and he began palpitating it.

03:19:38.770 --> 03:19:39.710
Now I know what he was doing.

03:19:39.790 --> 03:19:43.990
He was doing a physical mantra,
rhythmically squeezing his arm with both

03:19:43.990 --> 03:19:44.550
hands.

03:19:45.050 --> 03:19:49.350
And looking into his eyes in the funniest,
strangest way without saying anything.

03:19:50.290 --> 03:19:53.150
And when he would shake your hand,
he'd take your hand and he'd just look at

03:19:53.150 --> 03:19:54.370
you and look at you and look at you.

03:19:54.370 --> 03:19:56.470
And you felt very uncomfortable.

03:19:56.650 --> 03:19:58.270
You felt, this is abnormal.

03:19:58.530 --> 03:19:59.550
What does he want of me?

03:19:59.610 --> 03:20:02.550
What can I say to him that will alleviate
this situation?

03:20:02.670 --> 03:20:05.450
That's exactly the vulnerability that
they're trying to accomplish.

03:20:05.590 --> 03:20:06.730
They're trying to throw you off balance.

03:20:06.750 --> 03:20:10.330
Sure, they're trying to throw you off
balance to where you get the subconscious

03:20:10.330 --> 03:20:12.890
impression that I will do anything...

03:20:12.890 --> 03:20:13.950
I must be doing something wrong.

03:20:14.250 --> 03:20:18.690
That I will do and say anything that will
make them comfortable to change this

03:20:18.690 --> 03:20:19.450
situation.

03:20:19.670 --> 03:20:20.030
That's right.

03:20:20.070 --> 03:20:20.650
That's their whole purpose.

03:20:20.670 --> 03:20:21.670
That's exactly it.

03:20:21.670 --> 03:20:24.130
It throws the person off balance.

03:20:24.530 --> 03:20:26.890
So, I found it very disturbing.

03:20:27.270 --> 03:20:28.710
My sisters had put up a sign.

03:20:28.810 --> 03:20:29.450
They're both nurses.

03:20:30.050 --> 03:20:32.030
They had put up a sign that said no
visitors.

03:20:32.490 --> 03:20:35.650
In an attempt to stop him from coming in
because they knew it was disturbing my

03:20:35.650 --> 03:20:36.850
father very deeply.

03:20:37.470 --> 03:20:40.470
Well, the next day I was away when this
minister came in.

03:20:41.250 --> 03:20:42.490
And my mom was present.

03:20:42.930 --> 03:20:46.810
And it unsettled my father so badly he
vomited for hours.

03:20:46.930 --> 03:20:50.730
You know, due to his cancer and his
distress having gone through the

03:20:50.730 --> 03:20:51.210
experience.

03:20:52.110 --> 03:20:55.750
And the pastor had said he was going to
come back the next day and give him

03:20:55.750 --> 03:20:56.550
communion.

03:20:57.410 --> 03:21:00.590
Well, my dad said, I can't handle another
day of hours of vomiting.

03:21:00.690 --> 03:21:02.190
I just can't handle the stress of it.

03:21:02.310 --> 03:21:04.930
The pastor refused to take any hints,
you know.

03:21:05.130 --> 03:21:08.730
We tried to be diplomatic at first,
but he refused to take any hints.

03:21:08.770 --> 03:21:13.050
So, I had to call the pastor up and I
said, did you notice the sign there?

03:21:13.530 --> 03:21:19.190
I said, dad is in great distress and he
can't handle having visitors come.

03:21:19.190 --> 03:21:21.170
Well, he said, surely that doesn't apply
to the pastor.

03:21:21.610 --> 03:21:23.130
I said, yes, it applies to you.

03:21:23.310 --> 03:21:25.810
I could have said it applies especially to
you.

03:21:27.230 --> 03:21:28.910
But then he was indignant.

03:21:29.210 --> 03:21:31.010
You know, his concern was not for the
patient.

03:21:31.250 --> 03:21:31.470
No.

03:21:31.670 --> 03:21:38.490
And the patient's welfare and the family's
need to help assist my father in his dying

03:21:38.490 --> 03:21:38.730
hours.

03:21:38.830 --> 03:21:42.810
I almost am getting the eerie feeling that
these men are almost coming in like last

03:21:42.810 --> 03:21:47.410
rites to fasten the person in some kind of
a mode before they die.

03:21:47.410 --> 03:21:48.590
You know, they're great.

03:21:48.710 --> 03:21:53.030
This calling and caring ministries is all
about, you know, drawing all the pain out

03:21:53.030 --> 03:21:54.990
of people and drawing all the guilt out of
them.

03:21:55.030 --> 03:21:59.370
It's like the Adventist confessional and
getting with people when they're dying and

03:21:59.370 --> 03:21:59.770
all of this.

03:22:00.790 --> 03:22:03.710
And so, I was just kind but firm with him.

03:22:03.770 --> 03:22:04.370
And I insisted.

03:22:04.510 --> 03:22:05.250
I said, no more.

03:22:05.330 --> 03:22:07.170
We can't have you coming back anymore.

03:22:07.870 --> 03:22:11.110
And then he was very indignant and went
spreading things about us, you know,

03:22:11.190 --> 03:22:12.530
and how horrible we were.

03:22:12.530 --> 03:22:21.170
But this is the kind of thing that this
catapults the average Adventist into.

03:22:21.410 --> 03:22:26.450
A situation that you're catapulted into
because of what has come into our church.

03:22:26.570 --> 03:22:27.510
It's so shocking.

03:22:27.990 --> 03:22:29.310
It is absolutely shocking.

03:22:29.530 --> 03:22:32.530
What a change, John, from the days...

03:22:32.530 --> 03:22:39.310
You know, I remember fondly, as a boy,
one of our pastors who was so... I

03:22:39.310 --> 03:22:41.090
considered him so in touch with the Lord.

03:22:41.650 --> 03:22:45.790
He had a real grasp of the cross of
Calvary and the message.

03:22:46.250 --> 03:22:50.390
We'd meet together on various people's
lawns on Sabbath afternoon for vespers.

03:22:50.470 --> 03:22:54.970
It was just like heaven on earth,
you know, and the old time message being

03:22:54.970 --> 03:22:55.270
given.

03:22:55.390 --> 03:22:57.210
But now, things have really changed.

03:22:57.210 --> 03:23:03.530
But what we're looking at is part of a
global resurgence of the activity of the

03:23:03.530 --> 03:23:10.050
occult and evil spirits, hypnosis,
mind control, all in an effort to bring

03:23:10.050 --> 03:23:15.350
about a worldwide conditioning to prepare
the way for Satan's coming as Christ.

03:23:15.530 --> 03:23:19.290
And the startling thing is that it's come
into our ranks with the vengeance.

03:23:19.290 --> 03:23:22.630
And for Seventh-day Adventists to receive
the mark of the beast, that's the bottom

03:23:22.630 --> 03:23:23.030
line.

03:23:23.030 --> 03:23:29.050
It's all part of the great Jesuit agenda
that has been calculated by Satan and is

03:23:29.050 --> 03:23:34.510
being carried out, either consciously or
subconsciously, by the world and the

03:23:34.510 --> 03:23:34.790
Church.

03:23:34.970 --> 03:23:35.110
Yeah.

03:23:35.290 --> 03:23:43.750
On page 75 here of Enroute to Global
Domination, Gary Caugh tells us that in

03:23:43.750 --> 03:23:48.250
pursuing occult phenomena, such as altered
states, a person is playing with fire.

03:23:48.250 --> 03:23:52.550
He is breaking through the supernatural
barrier which has been placed there by God

03:23:52.550 --> 03:23:53.310
for his protection.

03:23:53.970 --> 03:23:59.150
Through willing or naive vessels who
practice occult meditation, Satan is able

03:23:59.150 --> 03:24:02.630
to orchestrate his worldwide drive for a
new world order.

03:24:03.270 --> 03:24:06.870
Using secret occult hierarchies,
he has systematically advanced his plans

03:24:06.870 --> 03:24:10.650
with the only serious threat to his
efforts coming from knowledgeable,

03:24:10.890 --> 03:24:13.810
obedient Christians who stand in his path.

03:24:14.670 --> 03:24:19.350
Much of the plan is revealed piece by
piece to individuals throughout the world

03:24:19.350 --> 03:24:23.070
who are in regular contact with Satan's
agents through altered states.

03:24:23.230 --> 03:24:26.650
And that's what all this prayer imaging
and journaling is about.

03:24:26.950 --> 03:24:31.790
You keep a record of your contact and your
experiences as you do this prayer imaging.

03:24:31.890 --> 03:24:37.930
And you are enticing, you are drawing,
you are conjuring up images so that when

03:24:37.930 --> 03:24:42.170
the actual image does appear before you of
an evil spirit, you're prepared for it,

03:24:42.190 --> 03:24:44.350
you're conditioned for it to receive
messages.

03:24:44.650 --> 03:24:47.470
It's absolutely diabolical, just
diabolical.

03:24:48.230 --> 03:24:52.390
Incidentally, now, coming down a little
further, he talks about the Theosophical

03:24:52.390 --> 03:24:56.570
Society which has been at the forefront of
the New Age movement, playing an important

03:24:56.570 --> 03:25:02.990
role in conditioning humanity to accept
the New World Order and discusses

03:25:02.990 --> 03:25:11.930
Blavatsky, who is the author of the Secret
Doctrine and who laid the foundation of

03:25:11.930 --> 03:25:13.530
much of this New Age.

03:25:15.510 --> 03:25:22.030
And then Alice Bailey, who received the
intermediate messages for the New Age

03:25:22.030 --> 03:25:22.410
movement.

03:25:22.610 --> 03:25:26.090
And she has established the Lucifer Press,
now called the Lucis Press.

03:25:26.650 --> 03:25:30.750
And she has put out books such as The
Externalization of the Hierarchy.

03:25:31.170 --> 03:25:36.150
Now, I researched some of that for our
September issue and I found that The

03:25:36.150 --> 03:25:40.870
Externalization of the Hierarchy is the
conditioning process by which the New Age

03:25:40.870 --> 03:25:45.490
is working through the Church,
through the Masonic Lodges, and through

03:25:45.490 --> 03:25:46.090
education.

03:25:46.270 --> 03:25:53.310
Those are the three branches to accomplish
a worldwide conditioning, calling for love

03:25:53.310 --> 03:26:02.210
and unity to bring about the coming of the
Christ, which will be The Externalization

03:26:02.210 --> 03:26:03.510
of the Hierarchy.

03:26:03.510 --> 03:26:07.630
When the Christ comes, you see,
then the occult hierarchy is externalized

03:26:07.630 --> 03:26:09.690
and the Christ appears.

03:26:09.890 --> 03:26:11.310
This is the cosmic king.

03:26:11.610 --> 03:26:17.150
This is the counterfeit Christ of 2
Thessalonians 2, verses 3 and 4.

03:26:17.270 --> 03:26:17.730
That's right.

03:26:18.250 --> 03:26:22.850
Then Gary Caugh discusses the World
Constitution and Parliament Association,

03:26:23.190 --> 03:26:28.310
which is a society dedicated to creating
the New World Order.

03:26:29.310 --> 03:26:37.070
He discusses how the World Council of
Churches is involved with all of this.

03:26:37.810 --> 03:26:41.730
The World Council of Churches is
collaborating with the World Constitution

03:26:41.730 --> 03:26:43.210
and Parliament Association.

03:26:44.870 --> 03:26:51.270
Cynthia Wedel, the WCC's president since
1975, is an honorary sponsor of the

03:26:51.270 --> 03:26:53.110
Provisional World Parliament.

03:26:53.810 --> 03:26:57.910
This is perhaps the most blatant evidence
yet of the WCC's hidden agenda.

03:26:57.910 --> 03:27:00.490
This is a book by William T.

03:27:00.830 --> 03:27:06.490
Still, whose father developed the
communications, the defense communications

03:27:06.490 --> 03:27:07.930
network for our military.

03:27:08.650 --> 03:27:14.510
And he tells of how, during the height of
the crisis with Nixon, between Nixon and

03:27:14.510 --> 03:27:19.350
the Supreme Court over the Watergate
tapes, his father, who had engineered and

03:27:19.350 --> 03:27:24.430
developed this defense communications
network, was approached by a high-ranking

03:27:24.430 --> 03:27:31.190
member of the government and asked,
do you think that we could pull off a

03:27:31.190 --> 03:27:33.930
military coup in America successfully?

03:27:35.130 --> 03:27:42.450
And his father was so shaken by this,
even the thought of it, but yet he

03:27:42.450 --> 03:27:47.290
maintained his equilibrium and he listened
and listened and listened and listened to

03:27:47.290 --> 03:27:49.930
the plan as it unfolded before him.

03:27:49.930 --> 03:27:55.090
And then he sent memos to the CIA,
to the intelligence, to the FBI rather,

03:27:55.630 --> 03:27:59.230
and to various military intelligence
channels.

03:28:00.330 --> 03:28:06.150
This stimulated William Still's interest
in what was going on behind the scenes

03:28:06.150 --> 03:28:06.410
there.

03:28:06.490 --> 03:28:11.310
And what he came up with was that we were
on the brink of a civil war.

03:28:11.470 --> 03:28:17.870
Nixon was planning to use the Marines to
ensconce himself in power over against the

03:28:17.870 --> 03:28:20.630
demand of the Supreme Court for the
Watergate tapes.

03:28:21.250 --> 03:28:26.170
Meanwhile, there were high generals in our
military that knew what Nixon was

03:28:26.170 --> 03:28:30.430
planning, and they planned to fly in the
82nd Airborne to do battle with the

03:28:30.430 --> 03:28:33.250
Marines to maintain the Constitution in
our government.

03:28:33.550 --> 03:28:38.010
We were on the brink of civil war,
and none of us knew it.

03:28:38.610 --> 03:28:46.070
And then he unfolds what he believes was
behind the whole thing, to take over our

03:28:46.070 --> 03:28:49.530
government, to pit the left against the
right, and then they would take over from

03:28:49.530 --> 03:28:49.870
the middle.

03:28:50.370 --> 03:28:56.470
What we are going to find out during the
millennium in heaven, about the times that

03:28:56.470 --> 03:29:00.810
God held back the four winds of strife so
that the servants of God could be sealed

03:29:00.810 --> 03:29:01.450
in their foreheads.

03:29:01.470 --> 03:29:03.530
That's exactly what's going on right now.

03:29:03.850 --> 03:29:08.070
God for years has been holding back those
winds of strife, having those angels to

03:29:08.070 --> 03:29:13.650
hold, hold, hold, until we can be sealed
in our foreheads with the seal of the

03:29:13.650 --> 03:29:14.310
living God.

03:29:14.310 --> 03:29:17.370
I hope our people only realize that,
Bob.

03:29:17.590 --> 03:29:22.850
In this book, the Dictionary of the
Ecumenical Movement, I was amazed to see

03:29:22.850 --> 03:29:27.310
the involvement of the World Council of
Churches with the United Nations.

03:29:29.130 --> 03:29:34.230
There is a World Council of Churches
Commission of the Churches on

03:29:34.230 --> 03:29:38.330
International Affairs, which has
consultative status with the Economic and

03:29:38.330 --> 03:29:43.630
Social Council of the UN, and with all
major specialized agencies, which

03:29:43.630 --> 03:29:46.090
represents the WCC and the UN system.

03:29:46.850 --> 03:29:50.150
These things are tied together more than
any of us realize, John.

03:29:50.730 --> 03:29:55.730
Anyway, back to, en route to global
domination, occupation here.

03:29:56.930 --> 03:30:03.570
He says that the most blatant evidence yet
of the World Council of Churches' hidden

03:30:03.570 --> 03:30:10.910
agenda is this fact that Cynthia Waddell,
the WCC's president since 1975,

03:30:11.130 --> 03:30:15.510
is an honorary sponsor of the Provisional
World Parliament.

03:30:15.830 --> 03:30:20.790
This organization, that is the WCC,
has come to represent the leadership of

03:30:20.790 --> 03:30:24.890
most of the mainline Protestant church
denominations in America and has privately

03:30:24.890 --> 03:30:27.870
been pushing for unification with the
Church of Rome.

03:30:27.950 --> 03:30:28.070
Yep.

03:30:29.210 --> 03:30:33.490
But it appears that the WCC is only trying
to unite Christianity in order to bring it

03:30:33.490 --> 03:30:35.250
into the new world order.

03:30:35.850 --> 03:30:39.570
This also makes it easier to understand
why the Council has been so active in

03:30:39.570 --> 03:30:44.330
promoting interfaithism, the merging of
all the world's major religions under one

03:30:44.330 --> 03:30:44.810
umbrella.

03:30:45.270 --> 03:30:49.930
This false unity was all necessary in
order to bring humanity into a world

03:30:49.930 --> 03:30:50.310
government.

03:30:50.310 --> 03:30:54.590
I doubt very seriously if this man
understands the two beasts of Revelation

03:30:54.590 --> 03:30:59.570
13, but yet he understands what's taking
place, he can see what's taking place in

03:30:59.570 --> 03:31:04.010
the world, having no idea that it is
fulfilling prophecy absolutely to a T,

03:31:04.210 --> 03:31:06.290
as we have known it as Seventh-day
Adventists.

03:31:07.210 --> 03:31:19.190
Yes, he discusses the connections between
the WCPA's network of communication with

03:31:19.190 --> 03:31:24.250
the Amnesty International, American Civil
Liberties Union, on and on Friends of the

03:31:24.250 --> 03:31:27.790
Earth, Sierra Club, Audubon Society,
Wilderness Society, American Humanist

03:31:27.790 --> 03:31:32.130
Association, Planetary Society,
World Watch Institute, Planetary Citizens,

03:31:32.570 --> 03:31:36.410
on and on, a whole list of them there that
I don't have time to go into.

03:31:36.450 --> 03:31:37.890
And the whole world wandered after the
beast.

03:31:38.250 --> 03:31:44.570
Now, Chapter 5, he deals with Freemasonry,
the hidden catalyst, and the New Age link,

03:31:44.650 --> 03:31:48.850
as it links in with Masonry, which,
as you recall, is controlled at the

03:31:48.850 --> 03:31:53.490
highest levels by the Knights of Malta and
the Knights Templar, the orders of the

03:31:53.490 --> 03:31:54.730
Roman Catholic Church.

03:31:54.730 --> 03:31:56.390
Tell us what the Masons have to do with
all this.

03:31:56.390 --> 03:32:01.210
More than two years before learning about
the WCPA, I discovered that the

03:32:01.210 --> 03:32:04.670
Theosophical Society and its sister
organizations were playing important roles

03:32:04.670 --> 03:32:07.730
in laying the groundwork for the New Age
movement, certainly no secret among New

03:32:07.730 --> 03:32:08.390
Age researchers.

03:32:08.890 --> 03:32:13.170
However, it was not until the fall of 1985
that I first began to suspect the

03:32:13.170 --> 03:32:17.470
existence of an even higher center of
direction, serving as the main coordinator

03:32:17.470 --> 03:32:20.670
between the economic, political,
and spiritual elements of the One World

03:32:20.670 --> 03:32:21.070
Government.

03:32:21.950 --> 03:32:29.670
And then he says here that he shows a
letter here from the Supreme Council,

03:32:29.770 --> 03:32:34.150
the Mother Supreme Council of the World of
the 33rd and Last Degree, ancient and

03:32:34.150 --> 03:32:39.790
accepted Scottish rite of Freemasonry,
a letter from the Supreme Council to Don

03:32:39.790 --> 03:32:43.730
Boyer, and he discusses Alice Bailey.

03:32:44.410 --> 03:32:47.730
And then he comes to this significant
point on page 90.

03:32:47.730 --> 03:32:48.730
He says,

03:32:52.890 --> 03:33:12.630
Now, I thought that was so interesting,
because here you have an attempt by the

03:33:12.630 --> 03:33:18.610
Masons to even try to safeguard themselves
from a connection with New Age,

03:33:18.670 --> 03:33:21.370
even though they were behind it,
behind the whole thing.

03:33:21.530 --> 03:33:26.850
They used the women to be the leaders,
like Alice Bailey and Blavatsky,

03:33:27.690 --> 03:33:29.890
to lead out in the New Age movement.

03:33:30.030 --> 03:33:32.770
Since Freemasonry was viewed as a
predominantly male organization,

03:33:32.870 --> 03:33:36.730
this would prevent people from suspecting
it as the center of direction.

03:33:40.850 --> 03:33:44.950
And then he discusses about the Order of
the Knight of the Red Cross, Knight of

03:33:44.950 --> 03:33:46.270
Malta, and Knights Templar.

03:33:47.470 --> 03:33:56.270
And so, Freemasonry seems to be a major
part, and we're skipping over here loads

03:33:56.270 --> 03:33:57.370
and loads of material.

03:33:58.290 --> 03:34:05.170
Freemasonry seems to be playing a major
role in this whole picture of globalism.

03:34:05.310 --> 03:34:10.430
He goes into the role of the Soviet Union,
how the Masons were behind this whole

03:34:10.430 --> 03:34:18.350
Bolshevik revolution, and how the
Bolsheviks even used the Masonic term for

03:34:18.350 --> 03:34:23.070
Adam Weishaupt's name, the Spartacus.

03:34:23.430 --> 03:34:26.770
That was his false name under the
Illuminati.

03:34:27.110 --> 03:34:29.910
They called themselves that before
becoming known as the Bolsheviks,

03:34:29.950 --> 03:34:30.810
and later as the Communists.

03:34:30.870 --> 03:34:33.490
The Masons were behind the Russian
Revolution.

03:34:35.330 --> 03:34:37.450
And this thing is just footnoted.

03:34:38.030 --> 03:34:39.190
I'm not giving you the footnotes.

03:34:39.190 --> 03:34:40.490
That was page 117.

03:34:42.770 --> 03:34:45.310
And here's what Winston Churchill said.

03:34:46.210 --> 03:34:50.430
From the days of Spartacus Weishaupt to
those of Karl Marx to those of Trotsky,

03:34:50.590 --> 03:34:54.710
Trotsky engineered the Bolshevik
revolution, this worldwide conspiracy for

03:34:54.710 --> 03:34:59.270
the overthrow of civilization and for the
reconstitution of society on the basis of

03:34:59.270 --> 03:35:03.630
arrested development and envious
malevolence and impossible equality has

03:35:03.630 --> 03:35:04.550
been steadily growing.

03:35:04.550 --> 03:35:08.370
It has been the mainspring of every
subversive movement during the 19th

03:35:08.370 --> 03:35:12.150
century, and now at last this band of
extraordinary personalities from the

03:35:12.150 --> 03:35:15.650
underworld of the great cities of Europe
and America have gripped the Russian

03:35:15.650 --> 03:35:19.650
people by the hair of their heads and have
become the undisputed masters of that

03:35:19.650 --> 03:35:20.730
enormous empire.

03:35:20.850 --> 03:35:25.070
He said that in 1920 after the Bolshevik
revolution.

03:35:27.670 --> 03:35:33.470
Well, Bob, there are about six more books
up there that I want you to at least show

03:35:33.470 --> 03:35:36.430
our people whose titles just really
intrigue me.

03:35:36.510 --> 03:35:38.230
I put them over there right on the end of
the table.

03:35:38.310 --> 03:35:38.990
I hope you don't mind.

03:35:39.470 --> 03:35:41.050
And I'd like for you just to comment.

03:35:41.390 --> 03:35:43.470
You know, there's so many books that we
haven't even touched.

03:35:43.970 --> 03:35:46.190
We're coming down here to the end of
Jesuit 2.

03:35:46.510 --> 03:35:47.290
I don't know.

03:35:47.330 --> 03:35:49.110
Maybe there's going to be a Jesuit 3 and a
4.

03:35:49.290 --> 03:35:50.930
I don't know how many there needs to be.

03:35:51.050 --> 03:35:56.050
But we've got to get into so much of this
material that you're not even able to get.

03:35:56.110 --> 03:36:01.450
You know, there's such a wealth of
material supporting this stuff that you're

03:36:01.450 --> 03:36:02.090
telling us.

03:36:02.090 --> 03:36:03.150
It's just overwhelming.

03:36:03.390 --> 03:36:09.570
If there's anybody that wishes to defy or
challenge what you're saying, you have got

03:36:09.570 --> 03:36:11.610
so much stuff to support it, Bob.

03:36:12.450 --> 03:36:17.330
John, here is The Catholic Church and
World Politics.

03:36:19.190 --> 03:36:21.770
This is a very, very interesting book.

03:36:21.910 --> 03:36:28.010
And on page 364 in the notes to the
introduction, Note 21.

03:36:28.990 --> 03:36:33.210
In the 1950s, the second and third
generations of Catholic immigrants,

03:36:33.390 --> 03:36:36.650
many of them graduates of Midwestern and
Eastern Catholic universities like

03:36:36.650 --> 03:36:40.850
Fordham, which is a Jesuit institution,
Georgetown, which is a Jesuit institution,

03:36:41.250 --> 03:36:46.330
and Notre Dame, benefited from the
unquestioned anti-communism of American

03:36:46.330 --> 03:36:50.370
Catholicism that partially reversed the
traditional government favoritism for

03:36:50.370 --> 03:36:54.930
white Anglo-Saxon Protestant graduates
from Ivy League institutions.

03:36:54.930 --> 03:37:00.970
This was especially true in security
organizations like the FBI and the CIA.

03:37:01.610 --> 03:37:07.230
During that period, the CIA Rome station
chief was the Catholic William E.

03:37:07.290 --> 03:37:11.490
Colby, who later developed good contacts
to Vietnamese Catholics when he moved to

03:37:11.490 --> 03:37:13.050
Saigon in the 1960s.

03:37:13.690 --> 03:37:20.490
At any rate, this tells us a bit about the
background of the CIA and the FBI,

03:37:21.490 --> 03:37:28.230
how it was Jesuit-trained individuals from
Fordham, from Georgetown, from Notre Dame,

03:37:28.830 --> 03:37:33.010
that had a massive influx into these
intelligence organizations and security

03:37:33.010 --> 03:37:35.630
organizations in our nation.

03:37:36.890 --> 03:37:39.410
Tell me about some of these other books
that you've got.

03:37:40.110 --> 03:37:42.410
Listen to this from the Pope.

03:37:43.270 --> 03:37:45.470
John Paul, page 304.

03:37:46.270 --> 03:37:51.950
Some of the Pope's points in a draft with
a letter that was sent to the American

03:37:51.950 --> 03:37:52.850
bishops in January.

03:37:53.650 --> 03:37:57.610
Various hierarchies of the world should be
united, because if they are divided on

03:37:57.610 --> 03:38:00.210
issues, one would have to disavow the
other.

03:38:02.010 --> 03:38:03.750
I'll look at some of these other books
with you.

03:38:03.930 --> 03:38:05.970
Oh, there's just loads of material in this
book.

03:38:05.970 --> 03:38:08.790
This one caught my secret history of the
Jesuits.

03:38:08.790 --> 03:38:10.290
By Edmund Parry.

03:38:11.630 --> 03:38:16.510
This is a very interesting and heavily
documented book.

03:38:17.490 --> 03:38:20.050
He discusses many very fascinating things.

03:38:20.170 --> 03:38:27.770
For instance, the relationship between the
Jesuits and the Gestapo, and the Nazis and

03:38:27.770 --> 03:38:29.790
the Catholics.

03:38:30.870 --> 03:38:35.050
And here is the chapter on the spiritual
exercises.

03:38:36.250 --> 03:38:38.750
Here's a quote from Mr. Boehmer.

03:38:39.130 --> 03:38:47.870
As I recall, he was a scholar in Germany,
if I recall correctly.

03:38:49.150 --> 03:38:53.350
Ignatius understood more clearly than any
other leader of men who preceded him that

03:38:53.350 --> 03:38:57.230
the best way to raise a man to a certain
ideal is to become master of his

03:38:57.230 --> 03:38:57.810
imagination.

03:38:58.590 --> 03:39:02.850
We imbue into him spiritual forces which
he would find very difficult to eliminate

03:39:02.850 --> 03:39:06.890
later, forces more lasting than all the
best principles and doctrines.

03:39:07.330 --> 03:39:11.010
These forces can come up again to the
surface sometimes after years of not even

03:39:11.010 --> 03:39:15.190
mentioning them and become so imperative
that the will finds itself unable to

03:39:15.190 --> 03:39:19.110
oppose any obstacle and has to follow
their irresistible impulse.

03:39:19.330 --> 03:39:24.050
Now here in this book, the secret history
of the Jesuits, we are told that the way

03:39:24.050 --> 03:39:30.310
they gain control of the will is by
gaining control of the imagination.

03:39:30.630 --> 03:39:30.950
Yes, that's right.

03:39:30.950 --> 03:39:35.990
And that's exactly what Bill Loveless was
training those pastors to do, was to

03:39:35.990 --> 03:39:38.370
control the imagination of their
congregation.

03:39:39.030 --> 03:39:42.810
And yet it is denied that this has
anything to do with mass hypnosis.

03:39:42.870 --> 03:39:45.550
And through the control of the
imagination, the control of the will.

03:39:45.770 --> 03:39:47.250
They made men control the will.

03:39:47.290 --> 03:39:50.610
The ultimate goal of the spiritual
exercises is cadaver obedience.

03:39:50.890 --> 03:39:53.670
So each one's conscience is surrendered to
the one above him.

03:39:53.950 --> 03:39:58.470
That way you eliminate dissent and you
create a military machine that can do what

03:39:58.470 --> 03:39:59.810
the leader wants.

03:39:59.810 --> 03:40:01.370
The Inquisition of the Middle Ages...

03:40:01.370 --> 03:40:06.430
Okay, this is just a paperback,
John, that is only an excerpt out of a

03:40:06.430 --> 03:40:14.270
three-volume set by Henry Charles Lee,
who is the foremost authority on the

03:40:14.270 --> 03:40:14.830
Inquisition.

03:40:15.010 --> 03:40:19.190
This is the first book that I know written
by Malachi Martin, The Jesuits.

03:40:19.710 --> 03:40:20.050
Yes.

03:40:20.110 --> 03:40:21.890
What did you find in there that was
significant?

03:40:21.950 --> 03:40:28.390
What he discusses in here is the struggle
between John Paul II and the Jesuit order

03:40:28.390 --> 03:40:30.690
in seeking to bring them back under
control.

03:40:30.870 --> 03:40:36.250
The father, Ruppe, who was the black pope,
was giving some interference to the last

03:40:36.250 --> 03:40:36.870
few popes.

03:40:37.070 --> 03:40:42.270
And ultimately we know that John Paul
engineered Kalvenbach to take over.

03:40:42.970 --> 03:40:44.750
He discusses liberation theology.

03:40:45.090 --> 03:40:46.810
Pierre Teilhard de Chardin in here.

03:40:47.210 --> 03:40:52.710
And it gives you a real insight into
what's going on recently in the Jesuit

03:40:52.710 --> 03:40:53.070
order.

03:40:53.190 --> 03:40:55.510
The Ignatian mold, the Ignatian worldview.

03:40:56.090 --> 03:41:00.130
And it gives a history of Ignatius Loyola.

03:41:01.030 --> 03:41:04.030
And the relationships between the white
pope, black pope.

03:41:04.150 --> 03:41:08.950
I think this one also even discusses in a
footnote the red pope, who is in charge of

03:41:08.950 --> 03:41:09.430
finances.

03:41:09.670 --> 03:41:10.550
What about this one?

03:41:10.630 --> 03:41:13.790
Jesuit Higher Education, Essays on
American Tradition of Excellence.

03:41:14.070 --> 03:41:15.610
What did you find in that one?

03:41:15.750 --> 03:41:20.390
This is an excellent book written by a
number of Jesuits and others about what

03:41:20.390 --> 03:41:22.770
has been happening in Jesuit higher
education.

03:41:22.770 --> 03:41:26.730
How they have these retreats, for
instance, with the spiritual exercises.

03:41:27.430 --> 03:41:34.970
And how their goal was to flood the
society with large numbers of Jesuit

03:41:34.970 --> 03:41:41.830
trained students who would then leaven all
of society and every branch of society.

03:41:41.950 --> 03:41:45.070
So, you know, our people see the things
that are taking place in our colleges and

03:41:45.070 --> 03:41:46.750
they have no idea to be suspicious.

03:41:46.990 --> 03:41:49.350
You know, we're not normally suspicious
people.

03:41:49.350 --> 03:41:53.450
But they have no idea that the things that
are taking place in our colleges come

03:41:53.450 --> 03:41:56.070
right out of Jesuit higher education.

03:41:56.230 --> 03:41:59.370
And as you read this book, Essays on
American Tradition of Excellence,

03:41:59.490 --> 03:42:03.930
the Jesuit higher education, you see the
perfect parallel of what is happening in

03:42:03.930 --> 03:42:05.450
our Seventh-day Adventist colleges.

03:42:05.670 --> 03:42:11.710
And suddenly you realize of the horrifying
truth that we are being trained by Jesuit

03:42:11.710 --> 03:42:13.390
higher education in our colleges.

03:42:13.670 --> 03:42:15.910
Well, just listen to this, John,
on page 34.

03:42:16.660 --> 03:42:19.250
Here is a Jesuit writing.

03:42:20.150 --> 03:42:26.870
He is a philosophy professor at Fordham,
William Richardson, S.J.

03:42:27.410 --> 03:42:31.910
He wrote, Jesuit education means a style
of maintaining colleges and universities

03:42:31.910 --> 03:42:36.390
that is grounded in a certain mode of
religious experience, that of Ignatius,

03:42:36.650 --> 03:42:40.930
and is reinforced by a certain historical
or historically contingent vision.

03:42:40.930 --> 03:42:45.770
So what is this Ignatian view?

03:42:45.850 --> 03:42:46.870
We discussed that before.

03:42:46.970 --> 03:42:51.250
Glory to God, service, distinguished
service for Christ to humanity.

03:42:51.630 --> 03:42:52.870
Mother Teresa.

03:42:53.750 --> 03:42:56.090
Obedience to the Church.

03:42:56.430 --> 03:42:57.930
Mother Teresa, this whole...

03:42:57.930 --> 03:43:00.390
Listen to this next one now.

03:43:00.710 --> 03:43:04.310
Here, this is the conclusion of a
workshop, a Jesuit workshop on Jesuit

03:43:04.310 --> 03:43:04.830
education.

03:43:05.310 --> 03:43:09.130
The word Jesuit indicates a special style
or mode of carrying on the Catholic

03:43:09.130 --> 03:43:09.770
education.

03:43:09.770 --> 03:43:14.750
Its characteristics include an apostolic
intent, a lived witness, a pragmatic

03:43:14.750 --> 03:43:18.530
strategy of education, an emphasis on
intellectual development, and a

03:43:18.530 --> 03:43:21.870
world-affirming spirituality, or secular
mysticism.

03:43:22.150 --> 03:43:25.770
Tracing its origins to the spiritual
exercises and the Jesuit constitutions,

03:43:26.730 --> 03:43:31.210
the delegates declared it leads to a
mysticism of service to both God and man.

03:43:32.330 --> 03:43:36.950
And so here you have the spiritual
exercises being the foundation of it.

03:43:36.950 --> 03:43:42.310
And now we're having a man who's been
training the world church in the spiritual

03:43:42.310 --> 03:43:46.870
exercises, training our ministers at the
seminary.

03:43:47.210 --> 03:43:50.930
And at the same time you have the chapels
being called celebrations.

03:43:51.210 --> 03:43:55.030
You have the first service of the Pioneer
Church, a celebration service.

03:43:55.250 --> 03:43:56.870
You have the Andrews Catholic...

03:43:56.870 --> 03:43:57.650
That's here in Orlando.

03:43:58.130 --> 03:44:01.990
The Florida Hospital Church is now calling
its early service celebration.

03:44:02.250 --> 03:44:04.610
They have the celebration service,
and they have the Sabbath school,

03:44:04.610 --> 03:44:06.450
and they have the traditional service.

03:44:06.610 --> 03:44:08.570
Something for everybody, you know.

03:44:09.650 --> 03:44:13.130
The special mark of Jesuit education,
they wrote, is this absolutely critical

03:44:13.130 --> 03:44:17.790
position of secular mysticism,
and action-oriented Christian humanism.

03:44:18.550 --> 03:44:24.070
So mysticism, action-oriented service,
that's the Ignatian worldview.

03:44:24.610 --> 03:44:27.330
Vicars of Christ, the dark side of the
papacy.

03:44:27.610 --> 03:44:29.770
Boy, these titles...

03:44:29.770 --> 03:44:34.910
There is so much coming out now that is
exposing the man of sin.

03:44:35.070 --> 03:44:36.770
It's obvious that God...

03:44:37.650 --> 03:44:41.730
This is fitting into God's timetable of
ripping the mask off the man of sin.

03:44:41.990 --> 03:44:46.810
And God's people cannot sit silently by
and let others do this.

03:44:46.910 --> 03:44:50.870
We've got to get actively involved in
exposing the man of sin to the world.

03:44:51.030 --> 03:44:51.730
That's what we're called to do.

03:44:51.970 --> 03:44:53.010
People are scared to do it.

03:44:53.250 --> 03:44:55.090
Oh, don't cause any problems.

03:44:55.250 --> 03:44:58.390
Let's just have love and peace and
forgiveness.

03:44:58.390 --> 03:45:02.230
Love and unity is the New Age message.

03:45:03.050 --> 03:45:08.410
And part of that message, John,
is that all independent ideas and

03:45:08.410 --> 03:45:11.690
interpretations must be put under the
power of death.

03:45:12.730 --> 03:45:18.670
Destruction of individual thought and
bringing everything together in a massive

03:45:18.670 --> 03:45:21.750
collective consciousness of love and
unity.

03:45:22.010 --> 03:45:23.730
Love, acceptance, and forgiveness.

03:45:24.230 --> 03:45:27.430
Bob, there are so many books, just like
the last taping that we did, that we

03:45:27.430 --> 03:45:28.510
haven't even touched.

03:45:29.010 --> 03:45:31.530
You only brought down a portion of your
library.

03:45:32.090 --> 03:45:33.770
Praise God for the research that you've
done.

03:45:33.850 --> 03:45:35.430
We're going to continue to lift you up in
prayer.

03:45:35.590 --> 03:45:39.270
Thank the Lord for the paper that you're
printing, Freedom's Ring.

03:45:39.330 --> 03:45:43.090
Now, how can our people get copies of
Freedom's Ring, Bob?

03:45:43.350 --> 03:45:46.890
And the new issues and maybe even... do
you still have some of the back issues?

03:45:47.090 --> 03:45:47.290
Oh, yes.

03:45:47.330 --> 03:45:50.310
We're putting loads of the bound volumes
out now.

03:45:50.330 --> 03:45:52.470
Okay, now you've got three precious
children.

03:45:52.610 --> 03:45:56.190
You know, Esther and Christine and Luther.

03:45:56.190 --> 03:46:00.110
And I know that these precious children
travel with you everywhere that you go.

03:46:00.250 --> 03:46:04.770
And I am so thankful that you do that
because my wife, Diane, and son,

03:46:04.850 --> 03:46:06.270
Johnny, travel with me wherever I go.

03:46:06.350 --> 03:46:07.070
We are a team.

03:46:07.290 --> 03:46:08.090
Wife travels, too.

03:46:08.210 --> 03:46:08.650
That's right.

03:46:08.730 --> 03:46:09.550
And Barbara, pardon me.

03:46:09.810 --> 03:46:14.270
Barbara, your wonderful wife that stands
by your side just as mine does.

03:46:14.650 --> 03:46:20.370
And I understand from what you're telling
me that, boy, they work hours a day on

03:46:20.370 --> 03:46:23.210
putting these binders together for our
people that are calling in for them.

03:46:23.210 --> 03:46:27.930
And if our people want the bound volumes
of Freedom's Ring, how do they go about

03:46:27.930 --> 03:46:28.730
getting that, Bob?

03:46:29.130 --> 03:46:31.450
They can write or call to us.

03:46:32.890 --> 03:46:39.170
The address is Biblical Studies Institute,
Box 200, Hermosa, South Dakota,

03:46:39.330 --> 03:46:40.790
57744.

03:46:41.370 --> 03:46:43.050
Do you want to tell your phone number or
not?

03:46:43.410 --> 03:46:43.950
Yes, no.

03:46:43.970 --> 03:46:45.610
We've had such a flood of calls.

03:46:46.450 --> 03:46:48.370
Give this man some sleep at night,
folks.

03:46:48.670 --> 03:46:51.790
We love to get the calls, but somehow we
have to get the work done, too.

03:46:51.790 --> 03:46:55.530
But we do appreciate... we do want people
to know we really appreciate their

03:46:55.530 --> 03:46:55.950
calling.

03:46:56.110 --> 03:46:56.290
Okay.

03:46:56.470 --> 03:46:57.970
What type of a love gift is that?

03:46:58.110 --> 03:47:00.190
$25 for a bound volume?

03:47:00.330 --> 03:47:01.210
Oh, $25.

03:47:01.610 --> 03:47:02.090
Well spent.

03:47:02.490 --> 03:47:05.470
Praise the Lord for the research and the
work that you have done, Bob.

03:47:05.630 --> 03:47:07.230
We just appreciate you so much.

03:47:07.270 --> 03:47:10.370
And we're going to be lifting you up in
prayer that God will continue to protect

03:47:10.370 --> 03:47:14.090
you in this vital research that you're
doing for God's people.

03:47:14.170 --> 03:47:17.070
Oh, we really appreciate you, John,
and the whole team here at Prophecy

03:47:17.070 --> 03:47:17.510
Countdown.

03:47:17.530 --> 03:47:19.850
It's always just a delight to work with
all of you folk.

03:47:19.850 --> 03:47:25.150
Well, Bob, before we finish this video and
part company, and I stay here in Florida

03:47:25.150 --> 03:47:29.070
and you take off for South Dakota,
let's ask the Lord to be with us,

03:47:29.130 --> 03:47:31.330
with the people that view this video
across the nation.

03:47:31.570 --> 03:47:32.270
Will you kneel with me?

03:47:32.330 --> 03:47:32.590
Certainly.

03:47:35.070 --> 03:47:37.830
Oh, dear Heavenly Father, I just thank you
so much for truth.

03:47:38.350 --> 03:47:41.770
The Father, help us to realize that we
must read and study and know what that

03:47:41.770 --> 03:47:45.870
truth is because Satan is going around
like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may

03:47:45.870 --> 03:47:46.230
devour.

03:47:46.230 --> 03:47:50.730
And if we are not cognizant, if we are not
aware of his methods in these last days,

03:47:50.790 --> 03:47:52.150
we will be deceived.

03:47:52.570 --> 03:47:56.190
Oh, dear Father, Jesus tells us in Matthew
24, 24, that the whole world is going to

03:47:56.190 --> 03:47:57.190
be wandering after the beast.

03:47:57.270 --> 03:47:59.650
The whole world is going to be worshiping
false Christ.

03:47:59.710 --> 03:48:04.770
The whole world is going to be deceived,
except a very small group called the very

03:48:04.770 --> 03:48:05.190
elect.

03:48:05.490 --> 03:48:07.450
Oh, Lord, we must be part of that group.

03:48:07.870 --> 03:48:11.430
I pray that you will be with my brother
Bob, dear Father, as he continues to

03:48:11.430 --> 03:48:11.770
study.

03:48:11.770 --> 03:48:18.330
Protect him, dear Father, from the evil
forces that are going to try to sway his

03:48:18.330 --> 03:48:18.990
way of thinking.

03:48:19.090 --> 03:48:20.870
Dear Father, keep him strong in the faith.

03:48:21.330 --> 03:48:24.790
Dear Father, thank you for putting Bob and
I together, that we can communicate with

03:48:24.790 --> 03:48:28.350
our historic Adventist people across this
nation and around the world and bring

03:48:28.350 --> 03:48:30.970
these blessed truths that you are
revealing to him, dear Father,

03:48:31.030 --> 03:48:34.530
and uncovering these things that are
taking place and the deception that Satan

03:48:34.530 --> 03:48:36.250
is trying to practice upon your people.

03:48:37.510 --> 03:48:39.730
Dear Father, be with us as we go our
separate ways now.

03:48:39.730 --> 03:48:42.170
Be with these videos as they go out like
the leaves of autumn.

03:48:42.630 --> 03:48:45.850
Touch our people's hearts with thy Holy
Spirit and help them to realize the

03:48:45.850 --> 03:48:48.210
nearness of the hour of your coming,
dear Father.

03:48:48.350 --> 03:48:51.930
And soon and very soon we will look up and
say, Lo, this is our God, we have waited

03:48:51.930 --> 03:48:53.170
for him and he will save us.

03:48:53.550 --> 03:48:56.670
We can spend eternity with you,
dear Father, and all this will be behind

03:48:56.670 --> 03:48:59.030
us and all sorrow and tears will be wiped
away.

03:48:59.410 --> 03:49:01.990
But until that time, dear Father,
we have a work to do.

03:49:02.310 --> 03:49:06.790
Give us the strength and the courage to do
that work that is pleasing in your sight,

03:49:06.790 --> 03:49:10.890
to wake up your people and to warn the
world, dear Father, of what is taking

03:49:10.890 --> 03:49:13.070
place in the world and in our church.

03:49:13.610 --> 03:49:16.710
Dear Father, so be with us now and we
dedicate our lives and our work to you in

03:49:16.710 --> 03:49:19.190
the holy and blessed name of Jesus and for
his sake.

03:49:19.850 --> 03:49:20.230
Amen.

03:49:20.590 --> 03:49:20.870
Amen.

03:49:22.570 --> 03:49:23.910
Bob, so good to have you here.

03:49:23.990 --> 03:49:24.570
Good to be here.

03:49:24.650 --> 03:49:25.390
May God be with you.

03:49:25.390 --> 03:49:26.010
God bless you too.

03:49:26.130 --> 03:49:26.930
Bless your heart.

03:49:29.570 --> 03:49:35.450
It's April 23, 1992 and Terry Ross and I
are just finishing editing this videotape

03:49:35.450 --> 03:49:36.610
on Jesuit Agenda 2.

03:49:36.610 --> 03:49:39.630
But Bob Trez was in our studio on Tuesday,
March the 10th.

03:49:40.210 --> 03:49:41.330
Got him on the phone now.

03:49:41.510 --> 03:49:43.890
A lot has happened since then,
friend, and you need to hear it.

03:49:44.170 --> 03:49:44.750
Hello, Bob.

03:49:45.050 --> 03:49:45.610
Hi, John.

03:49:45.650 --> 03:49:46.070
How are you?

03:49:46.190 --> 03:49:49.470
I understand a lot has happened since you
were in our studio over a month ago,

03:49:49.610 --> 03:49:50.250
taping this.

03:49:50.390 --> 03:49:51.170
Just volumes.

03:49:51.310 --> 03:49:52.810
Tell us what the latest is, Bob.

03:49:53.170 --> 03:49:57.690
Well, John, before we get into some of the
details, I'd like to just establish our

03:49:57.690 --> 03:50:01.910
reference point for how we're going to
evaluate what is happening.

03:50:01.910 --> 03:50:06.710
Because, really, when we look at our
periodicals and what is happening in our

03:50:06.710 --> 03:50:11.490
movement, there is a tremendous struggle
over trying to come to grips with the

03:50:11.490 --> 03:50:13.310
reality of what is going on.

03:50:13.450 --> 03:50:15.030
How should it be evaluated?

03:50:15.710 --> 03:50:15.730
Right.

03:50:15.790 --> 03:50:20.410
And we have to have the correct starting
point, the correct reference point,

03:50:20.710 --> 03:50:26.110
or our understanding will be all askew as
to what is happening in our movement and

03:50:26.110 --> 03:50:27.370
how we should relate to it.

03:50:27.430 --> 03:50:27.770
Right.

03:50:27.770 --> 03:50:33.070
And, of course, the starting point must be
the Word of God, and it must be that Word

03:50:33.070 --> 03:50:34.990
interpreted by the Holy Spirit.

03:50:35.610 --> 03:50:40.630
And our position toward the Word and the
Holy Spirit must be one of absolute

03:50:40.630 --> 03:50:41.910
self-surrender.

03:50:42.170 --> 03:50:46.810
Ellen White says that self-surrender is
the substance of the teachings of Christ.

03:50:47.510 --> 03:50:52.370
If we fail to make that self-surrender,
we're in darkness, and we're in blindness,

03:50:52.630 --> 03:50:54.810
and we're not evaluating things correctly.

03:50:55.030 --> 03:50:55.390
That's right.

03:50:55.390 --> 03:51:01.990
There is a very profound Dutch Christian
scholar, Herman Deweyward, who is a

03:51:01.990 --> 03:51:07.050
professor of philosophy of law who wrote,
Veritable religion is absolute

03:51:07.050 --> 03:51:08.150
self-surrender.

03:51:08.630 --> 03:51:13.710
The apostate man who supposes that his
selfhood is something in itself loses

03:51:13.710 --> 03:51:18.210
himself in the surrender to idols,
in the absolutizing of the relative.

03:51:18.430 --> 03:51:22.030
In other words, if we do not make that
full self-surrender to Christ,

03:51:22.730 --> 03:51:24.690
we wind up in idolatry.

03:51:24.690 --> 03:51:25.550
That's right.

03:51:25.550 --> 03:51:32.590
Because our self, our own distorted self,
our own distorted reason is in control,

03:51:32.910 --> 03:51:35.190
and we wind up setting up idols.

03:51:35.410 --> 03:51:37.310
And that's exactly what he's ruling now.

03:51:37.550 --> 03:51:43.870
Ellen White warned again and again that
the great sin of Adventism was in

03:51:43.870 --> 03:51:46.490
elevating the human where the divine
should be.

03:51:46.490 --> 03:51:54.510
And so this is a real problem that we're
having within our movement, the idolizing

03:51:54.510 --> 03:51:59.510
of our structure and using the structure
as the reference point, the point of

03:51:59.510 --> 03:52:04.170
reference for evaluating everything else,
instead of using the Word of God as the

03:52:04.170 --> 03:52:05.130
reference point.

03:52:05.130 --> 03:52:11.970
And as we look at what is happening around
us, we see that we are being flooded from

03:52:11.970 --> 03:52:18.270
every conceivable area with the Roman
Catholic influence.

03:52:19.150 --> 03:52:24.450
Liturgically, Rome has launched a major
assault against our Church with a

03:52:24.450 --> 03:52:28.550
celebration service, and we've looked at
that in our videos.

03:52:29.350 --> 03:52:35.170
This issue of the liturgy is one that has
been battled again and again in the

03:52:35.170 --> 03:52:35.610
Church.

03:52:35.850 --> 03:52:41.970
For instance, in the English period,
just before the pilgrims came over here to

03:52:41.970 --> 03:52:47.490
America, the Puritans and Independents and
Separatists were battling this very issue

03:52:47.490 --> 03:52:50.030
within the English Church.

03:52:50.610 --> 03:52:55.350
And that's one reason why they came over
here, to establish a Church without a Pope

03:52:55.350 --> 03:52:57.190
and a nation without a king.

03:52:57.190 --> 03:53:06.170
And Ellen White tells us in Great
Controversy that these Puritans saw a

03:53:06.170 --> 03:53:10.810
problem with bridging the Gulf to Rome
liturgically, and they wanted the Church

03:53:10.810 --> 03:53:18.170
purified of every papal element in the
liturgy to make as broad and clear a

03:53:18.170 --> 03:53:24.210
distinction between the true worship and
the worship of the papacy, which is

03:53:24.210 --> 03:53:27.130
idolatry and involved in the occult.

03:53:27.710 --> 03:53:33.210
In another field, the conflict with Rome
has been theological, and we know all

03:53:33.210 --> 03:53:37.890
about that because for 40 years now,
the New Theology has been battled.

03:53:38.110 --> 03:53:44.330
And the New Theology rests upon the
doctrine of Original Sin, as formulated by

03:53:44.330 --> 03:53:51.270
Augustine, and propounds also the pre-fall
nature of Christ and salvation in sin,

03:53:51.450 --> 03:53:56.070
all of which are elements of Roman
Catholic theology.

03:53:56.250 --> 03:53:59.510
And so the theological issue is of great
importance.

03:53:59.710 --> 03:54:04.410
And then the ecclesiological issue,
the issue about the structure of the

03:54:04.410 --> 03:54:08.910
Church, should it be hierarchical,
or is it the priesthood of all believers?

03:54:09.670 --> 03:54:14.730
Is the Church the people who love God and
keep His commandments, wherever they may

03:54:14.730 --> 03:54:17.550
be, where two or three are gathered
together in His name?

03:54:17.830 --> 03:54:23.830
Or is it a hierarchical, centralized type
of system?

03:54:24.470 --> 03:54:28.990
And another area where we are battling
Rome is the area of worldviews.

03:54:28.990 --> 03:54:33.630
Are we going to accept the worldview of
the three angels' messages that calls us

03:54:33.630 --> 03:54:38.710
to fear God, which involves hating evil
and rejecting evil, and choosing the good,

03:54:39.250 --> 03:54:44.610
and obeying the commandments, and fearing
to offend Christ?

03:54:45.350 --> 03:54:48.470
And then the second angel's message about
the fall of Babylon.

03:54:48.630 --> 03:54:53.350
Are we really coming out of Babylon,
or are we going into Babylon with the

03:54:53.350 --> 03:54:57.230
ecumenical movement and the spiritualism
that has swept the churches?

03:54:57.230 --> 03:55:03.150
On the other hand, the papal worldview is
the Ignatian worldview, which sounds very

03:55:03.150 --> 03:55:08.850
good in many of its perspectives,
to glorify God, and have distinguished

03:55:08.850 --> 03:55:12.810
service to Christ, and be a loyal member
of the Church, and obedient to the

03:55:12.810 --> 03:55:13.250
hierarchy.

03:55:13.650 --> 03:55:20.030
But it is vastly different, because it is
all oriented to the structure as being the

03:55:20.030 --> 03:55:23.550
reference point, instead of God and His
Word being the reference point.

03:55:23.610 --> 03:55:23.810
Exactly.

03:55:24.390 --> 03:55:27.630
And then philosophically, we're in a
tremendous battle.

03:55:27.750 --> 03:55:32.110
Are we going to have the Protestant
morality and the Scriptures as the norm

03:55:32.110 --> 03:55:35.790
for truth, and accept Scripture as it
reads, and bind our conscience to the

03:55:35.790 --> 03:55:39.230
Word, and have the Word be the norm?

03:55:39.830 --> 03:55:45.130
Or are we going to accept Roman Catholic
natural law, which is based on the nature

03:55:45.130 --> 03:55:50.450
of man, and calls for the reasonable man
to fit into the order of things as they

03:55:50.450 --> 03:55:55.650
are interpreted by the Church,
and by the state, and by the teaching

03:55:55.650 --> 03:55:57.130
magisterium of the Church?

03:55:57.290 --> 03:56:01.190
And then another area where we're being
assaulted is experientially, in our

03:56:01.190 --> 03:56:01.890
experience.

03:56:02.530 --> 03:56:07.370
And we have the spiritual exercises of the
Jesuits, with the prayer imaging being

03:56:07.370 --> 03:56:11.470
brought in, and spiritual formation,
spiritual directorship, and mantras,

03:56:11.650 --> 03:56:12.470
and mysticism.

03:56:12.470 --> 03:56:19.030
And on the other hand, true Adventism
calls for one being our Master,

03:56:19.150 --> 03:56:22.910
even Jesus Christ, and no one is to be
given control over one's faith.

03:56:23.610 --> 03:56:31.650
And then in the area of law, we are being
assaulted with the trademark cases,

03:56:31.990 --> 03:56:37.890
and the tools of revolution, the cell
groups, and the church growth movement,

03:56:38.470 --> 03:56:44.130
and the listening skills labs,
as opposed to just the pure beauty of

03:56:44.130 --> 03:56:46.570
heavenly truth, calling people to follow
Christ.

03:56:46.570 --> 03:56:53.670
So it's a very comprehensive attack in
every area of our existence, John.

03:56:53.950 --> 03:56:59.530
We can see how that Satan is truly as a
roaring lion against the Seventh-day

03:56:59.530 --> 03:57:04.310
Adventist denomination, and he has had
great success, it looks, Bob.

03:57:04.890 --> 03:57:10.010
Well, John, to just point out some of the
things that have happened, a couple weeks

03:57:10.010 --> 03:57:14.930
ago, in a church, a major church in
California, they had a celebration

03:57:14.930 --> 03:57:15.650
communion.

03:57:15.650 --> 03:57:19.950
And at this celebration communion,
they had the litany...

03:57:19.950 --> 03:57:21.890
Now, this is the Seventh-day Adventist
church.

03:57:22.450 --> 03:57:26.810
...and they had little white wafers,
instead of breaking the bread the way we

03:57:26.810 --> 03:57:29.410
are told to do so in Scripture.

03:57:29.910 --> 03:57:34.190
The people were called up to the front,
Roman Catholic style, to receive the

03:57:34.190 --> 03:57:35.010
bread.

03:57:35.810 --> 03:57:42.090
And they had champagne glasses for the
wine, a cross, a large cross, with a large

03:57:42.090 --> 03:57:44.930
white wreath, like a sun disk superimposed
on it.

03:57:44.930 --> 03:57:51.170
And candles, this is a definite move in
that direction.

03:57:51.310 --> 03:57:55.430
And we're hearing reports from all over,
from Michigan, from Southern California,

03:57:56.090 --> 03:58:01.530
of people being called forward to the
front to receive the bread, Roman Catholic

03:58:01.530 --> 03:58:02.010
style.

03:58:02.150 --> 03:58:04.930
Now, Bob, I want to make sure that these
people understand...

03:58:05.630 --> 03:58:10.150
...who elevated the bread, like the priest
elevates the host.

03:58:10.150 --> 03:58:14.090
Bob, I want to make sure that people
understand, these are Seventh-day

03:58:14.090 --> 03:58:15.090
Adventist churches.

03:58:15.190 --> 03:58:16.270
That's right, that's right.

03:58:16.850 --> 03:58:23.110
And another dimension of this whole thing,
John, is we're seeing a move toward the

03:58:23.110 --> 03:58:25.050
confessional being set up in our church.

03:58:25.130 --> 03:58:32.010
The Listening Skills Lab, the net impact
of that is to establish a form of an

03:58:32.010 --> 03:58:33.190
Adventist confessional.

03:58:33.190 --> 03:58:38.890
I have a good friend who is a very stable,
solid fellow who went to the North

03:58:38.890 --> 03:58:45.110
American Division Evangelism Institute,
NADI, there in Chicago, which is part of

03:58:45.110 --> 03:58:48.390
the seminary training for most of the
fellows who come through for their field

03:58:48.390 --> 03:58:49.290
practicum.

03:58:49.950 --> 03:58:54.630
And there he took a course which taught
the Listening Skills Lab.

03:58:54.630 --> 03:58:59.590
And the professor told the students,
he said, using these techniques,

03:59:00.150 --> 03:59:06.850
you will be able to get the person to
unload all of their guilt upon you.

03:59:07.050 --> 03:59:12.210
And it will be such a shock to your system
to hear all of their guilt, that you in

03:59:12.210 --> 03:59:14.330
turn need a spiritual mentor.

03:59:15.290 --> 03:59:18.750
And this is so fundamental to Roman
Catholicism.

03:59:19.330 --> 03:59:19.830
Priesthood.

03:59:20.290 --> 03:59:21.010
Pardon, John?

03:59:21.270 --> 03:59:22.630
It is the Catholic priesthood.

03:59:22.630 --> 03:59:28.590
We are getting reports, a number of
reports coming in, both verbal and

03:59:28.590 --> 03:59:32.110
written, of what is happening in the
churches.

03:59:32.910 --> 03:59:37.090
In the churches that people are being
called upon, Adventist churches,

03:59:37.630 --> 03:59:42.630
that people are being called upon to write
out their sins on a piece of paper,

03:59:42.830 --> 03:59:45.610
the sticky paper that they want to have
confessed.

03:59:45.610 --> 03:59:52.170
And then they bring those sins up and nail
them, quote-unquote, by sticking them on

03:59:52.170 --> 03:59:52.250
the cross.

03:59:52.250 --> 03:59:53.190
Sticking them on the cross.

03:59:53.570 --> 03:59:59.390
And then, in one church, the minister
pronounced forgiveness, or absolution you

03:59:59.390 --> 04:00:04.590
might call it, over the congregation after
they brought their sins up and put them on

04:00:04.590 --> 04:00:05.050
the cross.

04:00:05.210 --> 04:00:09.510
All he needed to do was be wearing a robe,
and it would be a totally Catholic mass.

04:00:10.790 --> 04:00:18.390
Yes, and then, you know, we are finding
that priests are being hired, such as the

04:00:18.390 --> 04:00:24.130
situation at Atlantic Union College about
a year and a half ago, where a Roman

04:00:24.130 --> 04:00:31.750
Catholic priest was hired on the staff to
be an executive assistant to the

04:00:31.750 --> 04:00:32.150
president.

04:00:32.150 --> 04:00:39.190
And now one of the vice presidents at AUC
has been fired, and this priest is

04:00:39.190 --> 04:00:47.990
basically assuming the role of
coordination and planning, which the vice

04:00:47.990 --> 04:00:49.370
presidency had held.

04:00:49.550 --> 04:00:54.290
He's not being given the title of vice
president, but he is basically assuming

04:00:54.290 --> 04:00:59.190
the post of the person who had been
performing that function.

04:00:59.190 --> 04:01:02.270
So he's not just a Catholic, Bob.

04:01:02.330 --> 04:01:03.570
He's a Catholic priest.

04:01:03.750 --> 04:01:04.370
That's right.

04:01:04.870 --> 04:01:14.030
And talking about the liturgy situation,
we have documentation that's come in of

04:01:14.030 --> 04:01:17.070
the Friday night service, Good Friday
service.

04:01:17.070 --> 04:01:22.310
They had Maundy Thursday at Atlantic Union
College, and then a Friday night service

04:01:22.310 --> 04:01:28.570
that was just a tenebrae service,
a Roman Catholic service of the Stations

04:01:28.570 --> 04:01:33.430
of the Cross, and then an Easter
celebration service for church,

04:01:33.490 --> 04:01:38.170
and then an Easter sunrise service at the
William Miller Chapel on Sunday morning.

04:01:38.810 --> 04:01:39.810
William Miller Chapel?

04:01:39.930 --> 04:01:41.290
At the William Miller Chapel.

04:01:41.370 --> 04:01:44.030
He would have rolled over in his grave if
he knew that was going on there.

04:01:44.030 --> 04:01:47.170
Yes, and priests are being brought in.

04:01:47.290 --> 04:01:53.010
For instance, I was handed a bulletin of a
priest that was invited in to have a

04:01:53.010 --> 04:01:56.430
Thanksgiving service in an Adventist
church.

04:01:57.430 --> 04:02:01.990
Another major area is Roman Catholic art
being brought in.

04:02:01.990 --> 04:02:07.950
We all know about the cast, but the
Andrews University Focus, the alumni paper

04:02:07.950 --> 04:02:17.190
for the spring of this year, had a picture
of the family of God with Christ prominent

04:02:17.190 --> 04:02:22.070
in the picture, surrounded by various
individuals, and then overlooking the

04:02:22.070 --> 04:02:30.670
group, much as a mother or father might,
is a Roman Catholic nun to the upper left

04:02:30.670 --> 04:02:31.390
of Christ.

04:02:31.390 --> 04:02:34.930
And a Roman Catholic priest to the upper
right of Christ.

04:02:36.590 --> 04:02:44.030
Then in the review just two weekends ago,
or the weekend before this last weekend,

04:02:44.550 --> 04:02:49.310
the cover picture was a picture of Christ
of St. John of the Cross.

04:02:49.310 --> 04:02:57.270
And St. John of the Cross is one of Roman
Catholicism's greatest mystics.

04:02:57.490 --> 04:03:05.830
And inside there's a cover story by an
author entitled Christ of St. John of the

04:03:05.830 --> 04:03:11.730
Cross, lauding this work and describing
all the aspects of it, all the triangles,

04:03:12.030 --> 04:03:15.550
which are very interesting from an
occultic viewpoint, because Roman

04:03:15.550 --> 04:03:18.130
Catholicism is an occultic religion.

04:03:18.130 --> 04:03:18.770
Absolutely.

04:03:19.290 --> 04:03:25.370
And the circles and triangles and
explaining the whole thing, and seeking to

04:03:25.370 --> 04:03:30.950
justify the painting based on the book of
Daniel and Revelation, etc.

04:03:31.250 --> 04:03:36.230
And at the end of the article,
we find the three wavy lines.

04:03:36.490 --> 04:03:37.890
Oh, three wavy lines!

04:03:37.970 --> 04:03:39.510
Isn't that amazing that that's in there?

04:03:39.510 --> 04:03:40.150
Right.

04:03:40.650 --> 04:03:45.490
A relative of Merle Vance, who did a lot
of research into the Seventh-day

04:03:45.490 --> 04:03:50.410
Adventists, who did a lot of research into
the occult, sent me some of his research

04:03:50.410 --> 04:03:52.770
on this matter of the three wavy lines.

04:03:52.850 --> 04:03:58.750
And the wavy line in the occult,
according to his research, indicates a

04:03:58.750 --> 04:03:59.090
serpent.

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And the serpent in the occult always has
the numerical value of 6.

04:04:04.750 --> 04:04:07.470
So three serpents are 666.

04:04:08.350 --> 04:04:11.630
Okay, folks at home, let's think about
this for just a moment, because our

04:04:11.630 --> 04:04:15.190
denominational leaders are telling us that
the reason we have these three wavy lines

04:04:15.190 --> 04:04:19.710
as the logo of the New Adventist Review
and throughout the periodicals of the

04:04:19.710 --> 04:04:23.890
Seventh-day Adventist Church is because
these three wavy lines now represent the

04:04:23.890 --> 04:04:25.030
three angels' messages.

04:04:25.590 --> 04:04:29.170
Well, folks, if that's the case,
then we should get really excited,

04:04:29.250 --> 04:04:35.370
because that means, then, that the World
Council of Churches is now proclaiming the

04:04:35.370 --> 04:04:38.250
three angels' message and promoting it,
because, you see, these three wavy lines

04:04:38.250 --> 04:04:39.190
are on all of their periodicals.

04:04:39.810 --> 04:04:43.870
And that also means that Zonderfand
Publishers, printers of the NIV,

04:04:44.050 --> 04:04:48.370
the Evangelical Bible for the ecumenical
world, are now also promoting the three

04:04:48.370 --> 04:04:51.370
angels' message, because, you see,
these three wavy lines are on the front of

04:04:51.370 --> 04:04:52.270
their new Bible.

04:04:52.870 --> 04:04:54.670
Oh, folks, don't you see?

04:04:54.850 --> 04:04:56.110
This is a smokescreen.

04:04:56.270 --> 04:04:59.730
These three wavy lines don't anymore mean
the three angels' message.

04:04:59.990 --> 04:05:02.050
They represent serpents, a wavy line.

04:05:02.270 --> 04:05:02.970
Study New Age.

04:05:03.090 --> 04:05:03.850
Study the occult.

04:05:04.250 --> 04:05:06.530
The wavy line represents a serpent.

04:05:06.530 --> 04:05:09.810
Three wavy lines represent three serpents.

04:05:10.110 --> 04:05:14.770
The three unclean spirits, like frogs in
Revelation 16, that come together into

04:05:14.770 --> 04:05:18.310
one, Catholicism, apostate Protestantism,
and spiritualism.

04:05:18.790 --> 04:05:22.150
Please, Adventist brothers and sisters,
wake up!

04:05:22.930 --> 04:05:26.410
And here they're saying that that
represents the three angels' message.

04:05:26.750 --> 04:05:36.510
I mean, do they really think...

04:05:36.510 --> 04:05:41.350
And is designed to alleviate their fears
and concerns.

04:05:41.710 --> 04:05:45.170
Oh, the three wavy lines mean the three
angels of Revelation 14.

04:05:45.470 --> 04:05:48.510
That's what they tell the gullible people.

04:05:48.510 --> 04:05:49.730
That's right, the uninitiated.

04:05:49.890 --> 04:05:55.550
But to those who understand the occult,
the three wavy lines stand for 666.

04:05:55.910 --> 04:05:59.650
And those are those three wavy lines that
we have on virtually all of the World

04:05:59.650 --> 04:06:00.850
Council of Churches books.

04:06:00.850 --> 04:06:07.070
In fact, it's on the cover of the NIV
Adventure Bible, the Bible for kids,

04:06:07.170 --> 04:06:10.690
that tells them that the fourth
commandment means that they should go to

04:06:10.690 --> 04:06:11.770
church on Sunday.

04:06:12.590 --> 04:06:16.610
So, those three wavy lines are exceedingly
prominent in the religious world.

04:06:16.610 --> 04:06:22.190
You know, the amazing thing about it is,
Bob, is that since these three wavy lines,

04:06:22.310 --> 04:06:26.070
according to the Adventist Review,
represents the three angels of Revelation

04:06:26.070 --> 04:06:31.150
14, isn't it amazing that the World
Council of Churches and all of these

04:06:31.150 --> 04:06:33.290
people are using the three wavy lines?

04:06:33.650 --> 04:06:38.490
So, what the Adventist Review is saying is
that all of these Babylonian churches,

04:06:39.210 --> 04:06:43.750
out of mysticism and out of the occult,
are proclaiming the three angels' message.

04:06:43.750 --> 04:06:44.330
Right.

04:06:44.650 --> 04:06:46.490
That's the outburst of it.

04:06:47.410 --> 04:06:52.450
And that's the exoteric meaning within our
own organization.

04:06:53.510 --> 04:07:01.290
But, you know, this business of symbols is
very large in the occult, and artwork is a

04:07:01.290 --> 04:07:05.990
very large feature of New Age and Roman
Catholicism.

04:07:05.990 --> 04:07:07.670
It's a means of communication.

04:07:07.910 --> 04:07:14.650
It's a means of conditioning, a way of
communicating occult imagery.

04:07:15.850 --> 04:07:23.710
And so, John, we're also, of course,
experiencing the spiritual exercises of

04:07:23.710 --> 04:07:27.710
the Jesuits being brought in, as we
pointed out, and Roman Catholic natural

04:07:27.710 --> 04:07:29.190
law being brought out.

04:07:29.250 --> 04:07:36.090
Another notable feature of what is
happening is the development, of course,

04:07:36.130 --> 04:07:41.130
of a hierarchical system within our
church, which was never to be.

04:07:41.130 --> 04:07:47.830
Ellen White spoke against that in scores
of pages in Testimonies to Ministers,

04:07:48.030 --> 04:07:51.810
that we were falling in the track of
Romanism, and we were not to be

04:07:51.810 --> 04:07:56.310
establishing an image of the papal
hierarchy within our church by

04:07:56.310 --> 04:07:59.350
establishing a hierarchy.

04:07:59.350 --> 04:08:07.810
But in our lawsuits in the church,
in the Procter case, it was argued that

04:08:07.810 --> 04:08:12.210
next to the Roman Catholic Church,
the Adventist Church is the most

04:08:12.210 --> 04:08:15.690
centralized of all major Christian
denominations.

04:08:15.770 --> 04:08:17.430
Now, who was it that said that?

04:08:17.430 --> 04:08:21.670
This was in the Procter lawsuit case.

04:08:21.790 --> 04:08:30.690
On the same subject, John, there are some
similar statements that were made in the

04:08:30.690 --> 04:08:32.990
Mary K.

04:08:33.190 --> 04:08:35.930
McLeod lawsuit case, I believe it was,
Mary K.

04:08:35.990 --> 04:08:36.350
Silver.

04:08:36.350 --> 04:08:42.750
The statement was made, those who work for
the Seventh-day Adventist Church respond

04:08:42.750 --> 04:08:47.830
to a religious vocation in exactly the
same sense as does a cloistered nun.

04:08:49.390 --> 04:08:54.510
And that's one more indication of the
formation of an image.

04:08:54.810 --> 04:08:56.730
Did Neil Wilson say that too?

04:08:57.590 --> 04:09:00.350
That is in the Mary K.

04:09:00.450 --> 04:09:02.230
McLeod lawsuit case, I believe.

04:09:03.490 --> 04:09:07.450
That may have been the one where Neil
Wilson was subpoenaed and had to testify

04:09:07.450 --> 04:09:08.450
and made these statements.

04:09:08.550 --> 04:09:09.010
Unbelievable.

04:09:09.170 --> 04:09:11.910
It's in her book, Betrayed, I believe.

04:09:12.430 --> 04:09:20.870
And John, here are a couple others that
indicate the formation of an image of

04:09:20.870 --> 04:09:24.130
papal hierarchy in our church,
which was never to be.

04:09:24.130 --> 04:09:29.750
Jesus himself said, All ye are brethren,
and one is your master, even Christ.

04:09:29.870 --> 04:09:35.830
But along with the development of a
hierarchy comes the punishment of dissent,

04:09:35.990 --> 04:09:39.870
Roman Catholic style, and that's what
we're witnessing also.

04:09:40.590 --> 04:09:50.650
And then here is one of the more famous
statements that was in the EEOC case.

04:09:50.650 --> 04:09:54.730
Although it is true that there was a
period in the life of the Seventh-day

04:09:54.730 --> 04:09:58.850
Adventist Church when the denomination
took a distinctly anti-Roman Catholic

04:09:58.850 --> 04:10:05.330
viewpoint, and the term hierarchy was used
in a perjurative or deprecatory sense to

04:10:05.330 --> 04:10:09.910
refer to the papal form of church
governance, that attitude on the church's

04:10:09.910 --> 04:10:14.910
part was nothing more than a manifestation
of widespread anti-popery among

04:10:14.910 --> 04:10:19.430
conservative Protestant denominations in
the early part of this century and the

04:10:19.430 --> 04:10:23.510
latter part of the last, and which has now
been consigned to the historical trash

04:10:23.510 --> 04:10:26.850
heap so far as the Seventh-day Adventist
Church is concerned.

04:10:26.850 --> 04:10:28.690
That's what Neil Wilson said.

04:10:28.770 --> 04:10:34.110
That's right, and you see in that
statement he consigns to the historical

04:10:34.110 --> 04:10:40.610
trash heap our opposition to a papal form
of church governance.

04:10:41.190 --> 04:10:44.630
You know what he's putting on the
historical trash heap is our prophet and

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the spirit of prophecy.

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That's what our leadership has put on the
trash heap.

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Exactly.

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Exactly.

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So it's very sad, and it hurts our heart
to see these things, and we feel like

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weeping over Jerusalem like Jesus did of
old.

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And this idolatry of a structure,
and using that as the reference point

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instead of the word of God, has perverted
the judgment on issue after issue within

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our church, and has caused a real
antagonism to develop against those who

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are seeking to uphold the three angels'
messages within our own movement.

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Ellen White calls it a spirit of
insubordination, and that's exactly what's

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happening among the laity.

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It's a spirit of insubordination rising up
against the apostasy of our leadership.

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Yes, but the real insubordination is the
insubordination to the word of God.

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Exactly.

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That's the real insubordination.

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The structure that we are called to,
first of all, surrender to is the

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structure of the word.

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And Ellen White had something very,
very important to tell us in Desire of

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Ages, where she's discussing the gospel
commission.

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She says that Christ's name is our
watchword, our badge of distinction,

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our bond of union, and the authority for
our course of action and the source of our

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success.

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Nothing that does not bear His
superscription is to be recognized in His

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kingdom.

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Amen.

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Nothing that does not bear His what?

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Superscription.

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His superscription.

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His approval.

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This papal hierarchy, this statement that
we have the closest type of organization

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to the papacy of any church in North
America, this image of the papal hierarchy

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which has been formed within our church
does not bear Christ's superscription.

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And Ellen White is very clear that we are
not to submit to unsanctified men and men

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who seek to interfere between the soul and
the word of God.

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So if it does not have Christ's
superscription or His signature,

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it's not of Him and we are not to
recognize its authority.

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That's right.

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And that's why Jesus, in Matthew 15,
when the disciples came to Him and they

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said, Did you know that you offended the
Pharisees by what you said?

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Jesus said, Every plant that my heavenly
Father has not planted shall be plucked

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up.

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Amen.

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And so the question that the true
Adventists have to ask is, Has this

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individual or that individual been planted
by the Father?

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Has this structural concept been planted
by the Father?

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Yes.

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Has this doctrine been planted by the
Father in His word?

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And Jesus went on to say then in verse 14,
Let them alone.

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It's the same principle as what Ellen
White enunciates.

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If it doesn't have Christ's
superscription, it is to be left alone.

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They be blind leaders of the blind.

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And if the blind lead the blind,
both shall fall into the ditch.

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It has become a matter of salvation,
John, to have the correct starting point.

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It has always been a matter of salvation.

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And we must have the starting point of the
word and the three angels' messages and

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complete self-surrender to that message by
the Holy Spirit and hold tenaciously to

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the perspective of Scripture and
inspiration.

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You see, Bob, we've been preaching,
I have as a Seventh-day Adventist

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evangelist, been preaching to the world
over television in my evangelistic series

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that it's not a matter of whether you
worship on Saturday or Sunday.

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It's a matter of whether you give your
allegiance to God or to Rome.

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Exactly.

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And the Sabbath Sunday issue is the
outworking of whether we have made that

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full surrender to Christ or whether we've
surrendered to idols.

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And that's what we're dealing with in the
Seventh-day Adventist church.

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And I'm giving the exact same message to
the Seventh-day Adventist church today.

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That it's not a matter of whether you're
giving your allegiance to the independent

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ministries or to the conference.

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It's a matter of whether you're giving
your allegiance to God or to Rome.

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That's the issue here.

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And you see, one of the very fundamental
features of the image of the beast is that

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it has a lamb-like profession,
but it speaks like a dragon.

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And we're seeing exactly the same kind of
thing happening toward those who are

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speaking out regarding the truth of the
three angels' messages within our own

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church.

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There is a lamb-like profession on the
part of the structure that is harassing

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them, but on the other hand, they are
actually speaking like a dragon in the

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things that they are doing by calling for
the burning of their books.

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I understand a big shipment of books to
Nigeria was impounded by our structure

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over there, and by banning the faithful,
excommunicating them, and putting them

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under interdict.

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Right out of the Roman papacy,
Bob, and I tell you, our people are

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asleep.

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For some reason, the majority of them are
not accepting this.

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And I tell you, our people, our faithful
historic Adventist people who are trying

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to get them to wake up to this,
they are just oblivious, don't want to

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hear it, don't want to have anything to do
with it, and these people are ostracized

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and run out of the church.

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That's exactly the case that we're finding
all over the world.

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It's happening all over, and it goes to
the very heart of human experience.

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Is that heart going to be surrendered to
the Word, like we've said over and over

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again?

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Will it accept another point of reference,
namely the structure?

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And that's the papal principle,
that the structure of the church is the

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point of reference, and anything that is
out of line with the structure is

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therefore evil and must be burned and
destroyed.

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Well, Bob, we appreciate so much you
bringing us up to date.

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Is there anything that you wish to add,
anything that's been left out?

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If you have something to tell us,
tell us, brother.

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Well, we're watching and monitoring all of
these things that are happening around us.

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We need to really pray for our people,
because what we're struggling with is a

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struggle between the three angels'
messages and a papal outlook and

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perspective and dimensions in every area
of life.

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And if we do not learn Protestantism and
learn that everything in the heart and the

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life must be oriented in faith to the
Word...

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If we don't have root in ourselves that
Jesus spoke about, that was so necessary

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in his parable regarding the seed sower,
if we don't have root in ourselves,

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we will be scorched away under the blast
of the tempest at the end of time.

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If we don't learn our lessons well now,
if we submit to structures that are

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imposing Roman Catholic liturgy and
theology and worldviews and experience and

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confessional and all of that type of
thing...

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If we can't stand up as we go among the
footmen, how will we contend with horses

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when the United States of America forms
the ultimate image of the beast and

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imposes it over the entire world?

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Well, Bob, we're right down at the end of
this tape.

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We've got to go, but I appreciate so much
you bringing us up to speed on all this.

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And I just want to say to our Adventist
people that if we are not rooted and

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grounded and we are following blind
leaders, we're going to be swept away with

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the structure, Bob.

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We've got to stay on our own two spiritual
feet and read and study like we've never

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read and studied before.

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Amen.

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Thank you, Bob, for being here.

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God bless you.

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Look forward to seeing you again whenever
that's going to be.

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Keep us updated.

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God bless you too, John.

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Thanks now, Bob.

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Bye-bye.

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Bye-bye.