Well,
Bob Trev, what a blessing it is to have you here again for Jesuit Agenda 2.
You know, our first program on the Jesuit Agenda for the Seventh-day Adventist
Church has made such a profound effect on our Adventist people.
Are you aware of the fact that we have now sent out over 1,000 sets of Jesuit Agenda?
We have another stack of orders for two or three hundred down in the mail room that
they are trying to get out now.
What an impact that this has made upon God's historic Adventist people.
Thank you so much for what God has shown you and for sharing it with us.
We are anxious to hear what you have to say for us again today.
Bob, we are just praising the Lord as many hundreds and thousands of Adventists
across the nation and around the world are, that you have the courage to stand up
and to show God's people what is really taking place in our beloved church.
And before you get in to the latest that you have found and the things that you
were not able to bring out last time, let's ask God's Holy Spirit to be with us.
Would you pray today?
Sure, Bob.
Gracious Father in Heaven, how thankful we are today for the wonderful gospel that
you have committed to us.
What peace and what joy and what gladness it gives to us.
We thank you for the worldview that you have given to us in your Holy Word and for
the unction and influence of the Holy Spirit to guard us against error and to
guide us in the track of truth.
We pray for the outpouring of thy Holy Spirit as we talk together today.
May thy Spirit guide all of our thinking, all of our acting.
We pray for our beloved people, for the people of God, for the remnant
people, and for the people of the entire earth.
As each one is going to have to face the challenge of standing for the right,
for the truth, for the three angels' messages in these last days.
Bless us abundantly now as we speak together and commune together and commune
with thee is our prayer in Jesus' name.
Amen.
Well, Bob, when you were here before, I asked you if you really understood what
you were getting into when you affiliated yourself with John Osborne and Prophecy
Countdown and you said, well, I believe I know what I'm getting myself into.
Now, be honest with me this time.
Did you have any idea that the response from Jesuit Agenda would be as it has
been?
No, John, I sure didn't.
I was just mentioning to my wife this morning that when we taped the first time,
I had the idea that the tape would go out to the humble, faithful followers of the
Lord around the world, but I had no idea that it would have this kind of scrutiny
that we're understanding that it's having.
Bob, we know for a fact that there are groups of Seventh-day Adventist ministers.
The conferences are calling the ministers together around the nation and even around
the world and are showing this video to the pastors.
Now, we would love to believe that they are being brought closer to the Lord and
are being brought to a spirit of repentance to see how we have been
sidetracked by the sinister power of Rome from the place that God has for us as a
people.
But unfortunately, we must face reality and realize that they are probably just
endeavoring to tear it apart and what they can do to discredit us, keep us from
producing any more of these videos.
But we want to believe that they are being brought closer to the Lord and are willing
to get this thing back on track.
I would like to deal with one thing, Bob, that we have had some criticism
about, and that is that we should not be worrying about this Jesuit thing.
That this is something that we are just making a tempest in a teapot, that we
should just keep our eyes on Jesus and deal with the love of Jesus and we should
not be worrying about all these things.
What do you have to say about that?
Do you think that we are making a tempest in a teapot for no reason, Bob?
John, this is such a large issue, I have to almost laugh when you say that,
because it is evidence par excellence of the success that Rome has had.
For hundreds of years, that kind of a question being raised in Protestant
circles would have caused the people to raise their eyebrows about the background
and the world view of the person asking the question.
But what has happened in America in the last generation is absolutely phenomenal,
and I hope we have time today to look at that.
We have quotation after quotation from the spirit of prophecy on this subject,
and I think we ought to look at some of those, don't you, John?
Yes, we do.
But before we begin, and let's lay a firm foundation, I'd like to just say in
general that the three angels' messages are wrapped up with this question.
The last half of the book of Revelation is preoccupied with this question of
overcoming the image of the beast, the beast's power itself, the mark of the
beast, the number of his name, some six times that is mentioned in the
last half of the book of Revelation.
Well, Bob, I would just like to say to all those that have called or written in and
complained because they thought that we were somehow wasting our time in getting
off of preaching the three angels' message by worrying about the Jesuits,
once again, if our people were just reading and studying, Bob, they wouldn't
be saying things like this.
Let me read to you something from Testimonies to Ministers, page 118.
It starts on 117 and goes to 118.
Let me read it.
As we near the close of time, isn't that where we are?
There will be greater and still greater external parade of heathen power.
Heathen deities will manifest their signal power and will exhibit themselves before
the cities of the world.
And this delineation has already begun to be fulfilled by a variety of images the
Lord Jesus represented to John, the wicked character and seductive
influence of those who have been distinguished for their persecution of
God's people.
Now, who are those that have been distinguished for the persecution of God's
people?
Rome.
That's Rome, of course.
All need wisdom carefully to search out the mystery of iniquity that figures so
largely in the winding up of this earth's history.
In the very time in which we live, the Lord has called His people and has
given them a message to bear.
He has called them to expose the wickedness of the man of sin who has made
the Sunday law a distinctive power, who has sought to change times and laws,
and to oppress the people of God who stand firmly to honor Him by keeping the only
true Sabbath, the Sabbath of creation, as holy unto the Lord.
The perils of the last days are upon us, and in our work we are to warn the people
of the danger they are in.
Let not the solemn scenes which prophecy has revealed be left untouched.
If our people were half awake, if they realized the nearness of the
events portrayed in the revelation, a reformation would be wrought in our
churches, and many would believe the message.
We have no time to lose.
God calls upon us to watch for souls as they must give an account, advance new
principles, and crowd in the clear cut truth." That is so clear.
How can anyone say, who is watching this video or hearing that we are dealing with
this topic, say that this subject is not important, Bob?
I mean, obviously our people aren't reading and studying, or they wouldn't be
thinking and saying that.
That's right, John.
You know, the historian Arnold Toynbee commented that the coming together of
Christianity and Buddhism would prove to be the most important event of the 20th
century.
At least that gives one man's idea about this heathen parade that Ellen White talks
about.
And we have a whole chapter.
Of course, much of the book Great Controversy is devoted to the conflict
with Rome.
That's why our people should be reading it!
Almost all of it.
And one chapter in particular that I'd like to look at a few quotes from is the
chapter Liberty of Conscience Threatened, that's 563 and following.
Very familiar with it.
Ellen White addresses this very subject, and she was grappling with it and speaking
about it again and again in her day.
She said, "...Romanism is now regarded by Protestants with far greater favor than in
former years.
In those countries where Catholicism is not in the ascendancy, and the Papists are
taking a conciliatory course in order to gain influence, there is an increasing
indifference concerning the doctrines that separate the Reformed churches from the
Papal hierarchy." I'd like to just comment on that for a minute, John, because in our
generation we have seen the most radical shift of all.
In the 1950s, when the government wanted to send an ambassador to the Vatican,
there was an outcry from 8,000 pastors across the denominational boundaries,
a cry of outrage, and the government had to back off.
But look what's happened in our day.
Ronald Reagan's day, St. Wilson, right over there.
And look at the recent Time article, maybe we can look at that.
Oh, February 24?
Yes.
Yes, we need to look at that right now.
And I'm sure that many of our people have already seen this, you know, talking about
the Holy Alliance.
Well, I call it an unholy alliance, but it shows how that our government,
during the Reagan administration, conspired so successfully with the Vatican
to topple communism.
A most unbelievable article, and we'll include a reprint of this in our
documentation packet with Jesuit Agenda 2.
Yes, I want to spend some time, if possible, the Lord willing,
John, if we can, a little later on, explore what is behind a lot of what came
out in that article, with the CIA, the labor unions, the AFL-CIO,
the Vatican connection, and the director of the CIA during that period.
The amazing thing about all this, Bob, is right when the Jesuit Agenda,
our first tape, was going across the nation and around the world, by the
hundreds and by the thousands, that is when this article appeared on the
cover of Time magazine, and it was almost like God was just shaking our people,
saying, Look!
This stuff that you're hearing is the truth!
Wake up!
That's absolutely true, John.
I have been amazed at this over and over again.
We got a call at this very time frame that you're speaking of, from a friend who told
us that at that very hour, the news on CNN had proclaimed that the Argentine
government had released papers connecting the Vatican with the Nazis, and exposing
the escape routes, the process of helping the Nazi war criminals escape at the end
of the Second World War, and they had just released these papers to the Simon
Wiesenthal Center in Los Angeles.
That very week?
Yes, I called the Wiesenthal Center up, and they were having a press conference at
that very hour.
It's interesting that only CNN carried it, as far as I know.
Because Ted Turner is a maverick, he's not afraid to deal with these hard
issues.
And we want to look at that a little later too, John, because the whole media and
educational effort of our country is being shaped by forces that are all tied in with
what we're discussing here.
And under the third angel's message, the inroads of spiritualism and the rapid
and stealthy progress of the papal power will be exposed, according to great
controversy.
God's timing is so perfect.
The fact that all of this would come out in the news, in front of the magazines,
and in television, on CNN, the very time when the tapes of Jesuit Agenda were going
around the world.
I mean, it's just like God was vindicating everything that was being said from this
taping studio, Bob.
John, there's an absolutely fascinating book, if you'd like me to show it,
because it discusses the same tie-in that we've just been discussing between the
Vatican and Nazism.
This is a story of young Frank Brandenburg, here, who was a student in
high school.
In 1979, he saw the picture of the Holocaust, and he didn't think it was
true.
He had never... can you imagine a young German student, who didn't know what the
Holocaust was?
Well, Bob, I've got, you know, I'm sorry, but I find that very
believable.
Because, you see, the German people did not want to admit what their leadership
were doing.
And that's exactly the situation that we are in, in the Seventh-day Adventist
Church today.
We do not want to admit what is really going on.
We do not want to admit, and accept the fact that what is really taking place.
And we go into a denial mode, that this is happening.
And this is what the German people did.
And it's what the Adventist people are doing today.
We deny that this is happening.
Well, this Frank Brandenburg, then, he went to his teachers.
He went to his parents.
He went to his local politicians, to try to find out, did this actually
happen?
Or is this just a fiction?
And none of them could help him.
So, he decided to go on a quest.
And for seven years, he interviewed living men who had still been involved... who
were men who were still alive, who were Nazis, who had been involved with
Hitler, at the highest echelons of the Nazi movement.
And he discovered, very fascinatingly here, how the Vatican arranged for escape
routes across the Alps, at the end of the war, to help the Nazi war criminals escape
through the monasteries, through the papal prefectures, and eventually down to Latin
America, pre-eminently.
If I could get another book here, the liberal author, Catholic author,
Penny Larneau, in her book, The People of God, The Struggle for World Catholicism,
tells of how not only was the Vatican involved with the Nazis in accomplishing
this, but they were all tied in with the OSS, the forerunner of the CIA.
But, you see, I'm just stepping back, looking at all this, Bob, and I'm
realizing here, almost 50 years, you know, for 50 years, this has been kept
secret.
And all of a sudden, God is allowing all of these things to be documented,
about how the Roman papacy worked together with Nazi Germany, working together with
the governments, and it's all now being exposed.
God is trying to wake up our people.
God is trying to wake up the world to what is going on.
I see you're about to go out and get another book.
But it's amazing how that all of these things are coming out right now,
it seems, at the same time.
It's now that God's people are to wake up and proclaim this truth to the world.
Expose the man of sin, Bob!
That's right.
This book is a book written by an eminent scholar.
Theologians Under Hitler is the title of it.
And in this book, he discusses Gerhard Kittel, and any fellow who's been to the
seminary knows about Gerhard Kittel, and Paul Althaus, and Immanuel Hirsch,
Protestant theologians who went along with Hitler.
And here is a book, A Requiem for Hitler, by Klaus Scholder, and he tells of how at
the end of the war, as the news of Adolf Hitler's death was circulated,
Cardinal Bertram of Breslau, the senior German prelate, drafted an order for a
requiem mass to be said for Hitler throughout his churches.
So the Catholic Church had a requiem mass for Hitler when they found out that he had
died.
And their official support was with him through the entire war.
There were a few individual Catholics that resisted, but the official stance of the
Roman Catholic Church was support.
And they had a concordat, of course, with Hitler, as they did with Franco and
Mussolini, the three Catholic dictators in Europe.
I still can't help but see how God's hand is in all this, because this has been kept
secret all these years, and it's just now coming out.
And it seems to all be coming out at the same time.
It seems that God is saying that now is the time to expose the man of sin to the
world.
And yet, what is our denominational leadership doing?
We're headed towards Rome!
We are making friends with Rome, calling them to address all the delegates
at the General Conference session and joining the World Council of Churches.
And we're getting so friendly with Rome when God is obviously showing that now is
the time that we are to be exposing the man of sin to the world.
That's exactly right, John.
In fact, some of the things that are happening are absolutely shocking.
For instance, I was reading in the Eucharist section of this Baptism,
Eucharist and Ministry document.
And in the main text of this Eucharist section, in this document, the real
presence is referred to repeatedly.
For those people who may be watching Jesuit Agenda 2 and haven't seen the first
one, this is the document that we went over in Jesuit Agenda, the first tape,
about what was the Lima, Peru, 1982, that was signed by Seventh Adventist
with the world and printed by the World Council of Churches.
Voted for and adopted, as they put it.
I found with the World Council of Churches you have to be careful to almost use the
precise words that they use because everything is so tentative with them.
The words and acts of Christ at the institution of the Eucharist stand at the
heart of the celebration.
The Eucharistic meal is the sacrament of the body and blood of Christ, the
sacrament of His real presence.
Now, this question of the real presence was an enormous question, John,
in the Protestant Reformation for years.
In fact, I have Fox's Acts and Monuments, an eight-volume set by John Fox,
the one who wrote Fox's Book of Martyrs.
And each volume is 750 to 1,000 pages long of fine print.
And there is page after page of the disputations between the Protestant
defenders of the faith and those interested in maintaining the real
presence.
The real presence, of course, is the idea that Jesus Himself is there personally
present in the Eucharist, the consecrated host in the Eucharistic service of the
Roman Catholic Church.
And the Roman Catholic Church has a great burden to have this accepted by the world
because to them it is the basis of unity, a unity that will lead into the acceptance
of the chief celebration of Rome, Sunday celebration.
So right here in the main text we find the real presence referred to.
And men gave their lives, hundreds and thousands gave their lives to oppose the
real presence.
Over here on the next page, page 13 of this document, it refers to the real
presence of the crucified and risen Christ, giving His life for all humanity.
And recently in a article in the Review, the author of the article stated that the
World Council of Churches' accentuation of the Eucharist fits into the ambit of the
three angels' messages.
So we have the official organ of the Seventh-day Adventist Church, the
Adventist Review, one of the editors of the Adventist Review, saying, I believe it
was Roy Adams, that the Eucharist is part of the three angels' message.
That it fits into the ambit, the circle, and orbit, and message of the three
angels' messages.
You know, this is an editor of the Adventist Review in the official magazine
of our church, saying, using these type of Catholic terms, saying that somehow it
ties together with the three angels' message.
And yet, Bob, our people read that type of stuff in the Review, and it never dawns on
them what's being said.
It never even hits them what is really being promoted right there in our church
magazine.
What is astounding to me, John, also, is that a minister can state that he
hypnotizes the people every Sabbath in service.
And here you have men who have served in the General Conference, you have men who
have served at every level of the church, dignitaries of the church, at the
University of Church going, and they keep on attending the service.
Not only do they keep on attending the service, and not only is this man still
the senior pastor of the Loma Linda University Church, but Bill Lovelace now
goes to Andrews University and teaches our ministers.
Tell us about the stuff that you've uncovered there, Bob.
Well, I understand he's been there now for two quarters, about a week each time,
at least the first time it was a week, and he taught a colloquium.
Now... Isn't that a Catholic term?
Yes, I suppose it is certainly a Latin term.
And there's much more to it than just this, John, because eight miles from the
seminary there is a retreat center called Still Waters.
And the lady who runs it, Mrs. Kuhlman, had a Catholic mentor who trained her how
to do what she's doing now.
And the seminary students are going there for training in spiritual formation,
spiritual directorship.
They are trained in prayer imaging, we understand from the reports of students
who have been there.
They call some of it spiritual mentoring.
You have a spiritual mentor, which incidentally fits in exactly with what we
reported on in Freedom's Ring in the May issue, which dealt with how even in the
Protestant churches now there is the idea that you have to have a spiritual
shepherd.
It's called spiritual shepherding, and you have to be underneath the
mentorship of another person who is your spiritual superior.
In fact, when Jimmy Baker got into the trouble that he got into, one of the
leaders of this movement, which is incidentally a cell group movement also,
it's called the Shepherding Cell Group Movement, said that if Jimmy Baker had had
a spiritual shepherd, he wouldn't have fallen into that.
But it's the same concept as what we find in the Roman Catholic Church of the
relationship between the priest and the person in the confessional.
In fact, this spiritual mentoring and this spiritual formation reminds me precisely
of the spiritual exercises of the Jesuits.
And this director of the Still Waters tells the students that they need to be
under the spiritual mentorship of someone who is their spiritual superior,
and it doesn't matter what denomination that person belongs to.
But I'm hearing reports, Bob, of our Seventh-day Adventist Churches having some
type of these cell groups where they put an empty chair in the middle of the...
what...
Right.
We had a lady write to us about that.
In one church there was... at prayer meeting they formed a circle.
They sat in a circle, and in the center of the circle there was an empty chair
placed, and everyone was supposed to visualize a person sitting on that chair
confessing their sins.
The Adventist confessional.
Right out of Roman Catholicism.
You know, the more I look at NLP, the listening skills that are supposedly
being taught there are parallel very closely with what I read when I read the
spiritual exercises, the 18th and 19th annotations, which I have here.
But these are not little individual isolated incidences, Bob.
This is going on across the nation around the world in our churches because our
pastors are being trained in this stuff by guys like Bill Loveless.
They're being trained at our Adventist Theological Seminary in Andrews at this
Still Waters, which is eight miles away, which is endorsed by Andrews.
Our theological students go there.
They're learning all of these things that we just talked about on our last Jesuit
Agenda, but yet our people are just dumbfounded.
They can't believe this stuff is going on, Bob.
Let me get a book here, John.
Bob, I'm going to ask you a question.
I'm probably going to bust this whole thing wide open right here, but I'm just
going to burn it out.
Is there any chance of us saving our church?
Has it gone too far, Bob?
Is there any way that we can get our denomination back, or is it forever gone?
Well, God only knows that, John, of course, and we always want to hold out
the highest hope like God did for ancient Israel.
On the other hand, God was realistic, and He gave prophecies, for instance,
in Psalms 22, describing the very way Jesus would die, the Messiah.
And yet at the same time, the option was always held open for the people to come
back to the Lord and experience the highest blessings available.
For instance, in Ezekiel's day, you know, the last few chapters there,
the temple that would have been built and how Jerusalem would have been the center
of the worship of the whole world.
God always wanted to have the ultimate for His people, and He always regarded their
free will and held that option out for them.
And I feel it's important that we do that, too.
And yet God is realistic, and we must be realistic also.
We must realize that things have progressed to an enormous state now,
and I don't think we've seen anything yet, the likes of what we're going to see when
this spate of ministers comes out that has been trained in the very techniques that
the Jesuits use in their spiritual exercises.
John, I have here the training manual, the current training manual from 1989 from
the Institute of Jesuit Sources.
It's called Choosing Christ in the World.
Doesn't that sound like a good title?
Oh, it sounds wonderful, pious.
Directing the Spiritual Exercises of St. Ignatius Loyola, according to Annotations
18 and 19.
I will say, John, that some of these are absolutely dangerous books.
It scares me to even research them.
But I have had so many people who are being taken in by this factor or that
factor that I have felt that there was a necessity.
Because Ellen White says that unless we closely investigate Satan's devices,
we will be deceived.
And I believe that God has specifically called you to do that.
You know, we show these books on the screen and everything, and you tell the
people the things that you have found in them, and give the page numbers and
everything so that it can be verified.
But Bob, the thoughts of having our people go out and buy some of these books,
some of these books are evil, Bob.
They are evil, and they are especially evil because the track runs so close to
the truth.
And the more I'm investigating these spiritual exercises here, the more deeply
concerned I am.
Because there is another spirit that attends them.
There is another worldview that attends them.
But when I look around and I see that same worldview has taken hold of almost all of
our church.
In our church, yes.
For instance, here is the Constitutions of the Society of Jesus by Saint Ignatius of
Loyola, the founder of the Jesuits.
When you read about the worldview, the Ignatian worldview, which the Jesuits
are interested in promoting, and you let them put their own best foot forward,
so to speak, which they would do when they were infiltrating a church.
Well, of course.
What do they want?
They speak of doing all things for the glory of God.
Sounds good.
They speak of doing service for humanity, of having distinguished service for
Christ, and of being loyal members of the church.
Oh, have we heard that.
And obedient to the hierarchy.
Leadership, absolutely.
Cadaver obedience.
Blind obedience is the kind of idea.
Whatever they say, don't question it.
They are the leaders of the church, commissioned of God, and we are just to do
whatever they say, and to follow them wherever they lead us.
Yes.
In fact, in this book, it tells us that the spiritual exercises are regarded as
the weapon of the order.
The weapon of the order.
And these spiritual exercises, you might liken to the tip of the spear of
the Roman Catholic Church, because the Jesuits are the strategists, the military
strategists, that plan the strategy years in advance.
There is... let me quickly jump up and get another book here, John.
There is a concept in the Roman Catholic Church which is called Romanitas.
This very colorful book that just came out on the Vatican speaks of this right at the
very beginning.
Romanitas is the idea that Rome takes the long view.
Rome takes the view of looking a hundred years, say, or in the future, or hundreds
of years in the past.
Of course.
The Italian word for this viewpoint, a young seminarian has told me,
that's a seminarian at the Vatican, is Romanita, the Roman way of looking at
centuries instead of soundbites.
And so, it's just like what Ellen White says here in Great Controversy.
She says, the Roman Church is far-reaching in her plans and modes of operations.
John, we have been absolutely asleep in our church about the far-reaching devices
of Rome.
And the more I'm uncovering, the more shocked and astounded I am, and the more I
realize that we're all just scratching the surface of something that is absolutely
enormous here.
But in this... with reference to what is happening now in our churches as this
prayer imaging is taking hold.
The prayer imaging is right out of the Jesuit thinking.
This prayer imaging is an old occult technique of visualization.
Here is something right out of Dave Hunt's paper.
He says, it is being taught in the church.
And he's talking about the churches across the board.
We're getting involved in things that are happening across the board in the
churches.
But it's taking all Protestant churches.
A massive occult revival in the world, which the book of Revelation told us in
chapter 16 would happen with the dragon, spiritualism, the beast, the papacy,
and the false prophet of apostate Protestant.
Incidentally, the false prophet always promised the people salvation in sin
rather than from sin.
That's what we're doing in the Seventh-day Adventist church.
Exactly what's happening with the new theology.
Telling people they're going to be saved in their sins rather than from their sins.
It is being taught in the church that the best way to get to know God is to
visualize Christ, who is God manifest in the flesh.
Visualization is the most powerful occult technique.
Visualizing an entity, even God or Christ, puts one in touch with a masquerading
demon.
Now this is exactly...
A masquerading demon.
That is exactly what the man who has...
That means a demon that appears as an angel of light.
And you see, our people are being deceived because they believe that this is an angel
of light that is bringing us all of this new methods of evangelism in the
Seventh-day Adventist church.
And it is a demon spirit masquerading as an angel of light.
That's exactly what Will Barron said here in Deceived by the New Age.
He tells us of this experience of, quote, Christian meditation by Kelsey,
who is the author of this Companions on the Inner Way.
Well, I tell you, I've got to ask our people to pray for you.
We need to be praying for Bob Trebs.
He is wading through these books, and we need to pray that God will send
angels of excellent strength to be around this man as he wades through this maze
of...
I mean, these are evil books.
I can just tell by looking at them that some of these books, you know,
written by the Jesuits, that these are demonic and that you have to wade through.
And we need to be praying for Bob that God will send angels of excellent strength to
guard his mind, because God has called him to do this research, and we need to really
be lifting him up in prayer as he goes through this, that God will be able to
keep his senses clear and his eyes on the Holy Spirit and on the truth.
Well, I really appreciate that, John, because I have been more deeply
impressed of the need for that than ever before.
You told us in the last video that sometimes you just have to get away from
this stuff.
That it is so evil, and you just have to go and commune with the Lord to get your
mind back in track with the Lord, because, you know, you can't stay immersed
in this stuff for very long.
No, no.
No, in fact, it's a call to study ever more closely the truth.
Amen.
We must expose the error.
We are called to do that, but we must always study the truth more intently.
Amen.
At any rate, Bill Wilbarron, in Deceived by the New Age, page 203, describes this
kind of visualization.
He tells of how when the Lighted Way became a counterfeit Christian group,
our occult meditation ritual was abandoned, and instead we practiced a
meditation with imagery appearing to be quite Christian.
For example, we simply visualized warm sunlight shining upon us as we imaged
ourselves seated in a beautiful garden.
Our instructions began, Invite Jesus Christ into your garden.
He is your protector from evil influences.
Talk to Him.
Speak to Him of your needs.
Ask Him anything your heart desires.
At the end of the meditation, we are encouraged to pray the Lord's Prayer,
or alternatively, these words, Father, I am your child.
My name was written in the Book of Life before the foundations of the world were
laid.
Thank you, Father, in Jesus' name.
Amen.
This is exactly what Bill Loveless is teaching our ministers at the Theological
Seminary at Andrews, exactly what he is teaching his congregation.
He openly admitted that he hypnotizes his congregation, and yet our leadership keep
him in and promote him.
This ritual was very deceptive.
The average Christian would probably find nothing seriously objectionable about the
phrases used.
You know, John, unless we are so in touch with the Holy Spirit, walking so closely
in the spirit of the three angels' messages, and in the world view of the
three angels' messages, we are going to be deceived.
We mentioned a couple of minutes ago about the Ignatian world view.
That's the world view of the founder of the Jesuits.
We now, I understand, are sending student missionaries over to work with Mother
Teresa in India.
No, wait, just say that a little slower.
We, you're talking about the Seventh Adventist Church?
From one of our colleges.
That our colleges are sending our students as student missionaries over to work with
Mother Teresa?
Yes.
Do you see how much this world view of Catholicism has infiltrated the
Seventh-day Adventist Church?
If we, John, don't go any further than giving glory to God, service to humanity,
being loyal members of the Church, and obedient to the hierarchy,
if we go no further than that in our quest for truth, we're in Babylon.
We're lost.
Absolutely in Babylon.
We're not really coming to grips...
That is Babylon.
We're not coming to grips with the three angels' messages, with the world view of
Scripture.
The world view of Scripture, John, I just can't get excited enough about it,
because it's all right here.
Amen.
The world view of Scripture.
Amen.
Man shall live by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God.
Yes.
And the spirit of prophecy being the true gift of prophecy is part of that world
view.
And we have to live in that world view, or we're going to be taken over by another
world view.
You see, the struggle in the Church is not just theological, and it's not just
liturgical, the format of the Church service.
It is a struggle with a conditioning process that is trying to get us to adopt
a new world view.
Yes.
The Ignatian world view.
That's exactly what's happening.
The world view of the Jesuit order.
Did you ever think you would see Seventh-day Adventist people saying and
believing and doing the things they're saying and believing and doing today?
I can't believe it.
I'm in total shock sometimes at the things I see being promoted by, quote,
Seventh-day Adventists.
It is totally a Babylonian concept of ecumenicalism and the Protestant
Reformation in reverse and reaching the hand of Christ and clasping the hand of
the Roman power.
I mean, sometimes I am in total shock.
I can't believe this is happening to my church.
John, when we look at the tip of the spear, these spiritual exercises,
they are designed to get right into the core of a person's communion with God and
to divert it and to change it.
That's why there's all this spiritual mentorship, spiritual directorship,
spiritual formation.
But what did Jesus say?
Call no man father.
Call no man rabbi or master, indicating that he has a control over your
conscience.
But what the Roman Catholic Church is interested in doing in her writings is
very clear, is to form and shape the conscience in a certain way and make it a
conscientious conviction to follow Rome.
What did that conference president say to that pastor that said he couldn't do
something because it was against the convictions of his conscience?
He said, you're going to have to give up your conscience and accept my conscience.
That's what the conference president said to that pastor.
And we just received word yesterday of a conference pastor who called us.
And I want to tell you, Bob, that there are pastors throughout this denomination
that the leadership have no idea of, that think they are loyal, faithful,
conference men, but that are calling us and saying, we believe in what you're
doing.
Praise the Lord.
Keep preaching it.
We're doing the work that we can inside the organization, but we're supporting
you.
We want you to know that.
But anyway, this man was just found out and he was fired immediately.
When they found out that he had anything to do with an independent ministry and was
sympathetic to us and supporting us with his tithe, they fired him on the spot.
Yes, I am convinced, John, that as the issue extends within our own ranks and
ultimately to the world field, or the issue of the seal of God,
a settling into the truth intellectually and spiritually over against the mark of
the beast, a settling into Babylon intellectually and spiritually,
as that issue extends, I'm seeing hundreds and thousands of Adventists waking up.
There is a latent reserve there.
I believe it'll... I know from the spirit of prophecy it'll always be a minority,
but there is a lot more strength there, I think, than is commonly realized.
Amen, amen.
Well, John, all they have done... you see, like we said in the last video,
what they don't realize is what they have done is awakened a sleeping giant in the
Adventist laity.
The Adventist laity are waking up.
And like what happened during the Protestant Reformation, we're saying,
no more.
We're not going to put up with this anymore.
We're not going to just roll over and take this stuff and get steamrolled by our
ecclesiastical leaders.
We are going to stand up for ourselves on our own two spiritual feet.
We're going to read and study for ourselves.
We're not going to resign our religion over to our preachers.
We're going to stand up and say, enough.
We are going to believe what we are going to believe what is taught in the Bible and
the spirit of prophecy, and we're not going to let you do this to us anymore.
There's going to be a mighty revival of primitive godliness.
Amen.
And it's going to be mighty.
It's going to be the mightiest such thing ever seen.
And you see, this is shaking our people to their foundations, and it's forcing them
to read and study for themselves.
And if there's nothing more that our videos do, it's to wake up our people that
we can't resign our religion over to our religious leaders.
That's right.
We've got to read and study for ourselves, and I praise God for that.
In fact, what you're just describing there of resigning your religious experience
over to your religious leader, that's making him your spiritual mentor.
That's exactly what they're trying to get us to do.
It's the same concept as Babylon has, as Rome has.
Now, here I have a letter from the official stationery of the Seventh-day
Adventist church in Nigeria, and this is regarding independent ministries.
Publications.
Remember that we agreed that the presidents were to alert the churches
about the publications that have flooded the fields which are not authorized by the
General Conference Division and the Union.
Now, this business of authorization is an interesting one, John.
In fact, let me grab another book.
I have so many thoughts coursing through my mind.
Don't even get me started on this authorization stuff.
It just makes my blood go cold when I hear about this, that everything happened to
have the stamp of approval and the authorization of the conference.
That is so painful, Bob.
But yet our people just go right along with it and say, oh, well, this is not an
authorized publication, or this isn't authorized by our leadership, or this
isn't authorized by the conference.
Where did we get those concepts, Bob, that everything has to be authorized
by some type of ecclesiastical authority before it's of God?
Here's Law and Society.
This is a textbook from a Jesuit university on law and society and the
function of law in society, how to mold society, how to control society using law,
how to shape society, and how to change society.
Very fascinating book.
And here is page 165 under licensing.
And this is under the general section of administrative law and social control.
The power of administrative law goes beyond the setting of standards and the
punishing of those who fail to comply.
Horak notes, quote, the belief that law enforcement is better achieved by
prevention than by prosecution has contributed to the emergence of
administrative regulation as a primary means of government control.
Quoted by Summers and Howard, 1972.
Requiring and granting licenses to perform certain activities is a classic control
device.
Now, what are we seeing, John?
You just read this stuff and it just goes...
The certification of lay pastors, the certification of people to even give
Bible studies now.
And then involved in the training for the certification is going through the
listening skills, the calling and caring lab.
Everybody has to be licensed.
Everybody has to be authorized.
All that is, Bob, is just a way for them to be controlled.
That's right.
Because you see, when people are licensed, when people are credentialed, when people
are authorized, then that gives the examining power or the authorizing power
the ability to control that person.
And that gives the people who give the license control of the people who get the
license.
That's all it is, is control.
That's exactly right.
At the end of this paragraph it says, Underlying all regulatory licensing is a
denial of a right to engage in the contemplated activity except with a
license.
And so another interesting dimension to this is John Milton.
You remember the blind poet, the famous blind poet in England?
Here's his complete poems and major prose.
And he has in here one of his most famous writings, Areopagitica, a speech for the
liberty of unlicensed printing to the Parliament of England.
He was in favor of unlicensed printing.
And you know what is very interesting here?
The whole argument just rolls on here.
At one point he speaks about the bejesuitizing of things.
The bejesuitizing.
The bejesuitizing of things so that everybody thinks everything has to be
licensed.
And he saw the track of the Jesuits in that licensing of printing.
You see, this concept that everything has to be licensed and credentialed and
authorized by the church leaders comes right out of Jesuit thinking.
Listen to this on page 748 of the complete poems and major prose of John Milton.
In the meanwhile, if anyone would write and bring his helpful hand to the
slow-moving Reformation which we labor under, if truth have spoken to him before
others, or but seemed at least to speak, who hath so bejesuited us that we should
trouble that man with asking license to do so worthy a deed.
He understood that this was a Jesuit concept back in 1645, and here we are in
1992 thinking that this is just a wonderful way to keep dissidents out of
the church.
This is Jesuit theology, Bob!
And John, what's interesting is, let me read a little more from this letter
from the Seventh-day Adventist Church in Nigeria National Headquarters.
We also agreed that you instruct the churches to seek clearance with the
mission or conference whenever they received any strange publication by hand
or by mail.
It's talking about independent publications.
Then we agreed that any such strange publications which are not cleared with
the conference or mission as an authorized publication should be disposed of
immediately, preferably by burning.
By burning!
They tell the people to burn!
That's what Hitler did!
Well, what about the burning of Bibles?
What about the burning of Luther's tracts and books?
And yet our leadership has the audacity to tell our people today that when they get
publications from independent ministries that are authorized by the local
conference that they are to burn them.
And our people do it!
Our people believe it!
And they don't realize that this is right out of Jesuit thought!
Of course, it all was premised on another Jesuit thought.
And that is that if you want to be sure you're right in anything, you must suspend
your individual judgment and accept the judgment of the church.
And if the church says that black is white, then black is white.
That's right out of the rules for thinking with the church and the spiritual
exercises.
I fear for our people, Bob.
I fear for our people.
Like lambs to the slaughter.
Let me read a little more here.
The summary of the letter.
It lists various independent ministries here.
And then it says, Therefore, the long and short of it is that all strange
publications received by churches or individual church members should be
cleared with the mission conference president who is linked between the local
church and the higher organizations.
Notice the hierarchical concept.
Otherwise, such publications should be burnt.
Similarly, any strange person or group of persons who approach any member or church
should produce clearance from the local mission conference president.
I can't keep from laughing.
I'm sorry.
It's serious, but this is just... it's unbelievable.
But John, you know, the only reason you can laugh...
It's unbelievable.
The only reason you can laugh is because thousands of men shed their blood to give
you the freedom to laugh about that in America.
Bob, I mean, you know, I guess it's a nervous laugh.
I'm not laughing because...
I'm not condemning you for laughing.
I know, but I want the people...
It's not, you see, it's not a funny laugh.
It's a nervous laugh.
I am so overwhelmed that this is on Seventh-day Adventist conference
stationary telling our people how that they must not even talk to anybody that
doesn't have some type of a card from the conference telling them that they are
authorized by the conference, that they are to have nothing to do with them,
that they are to avoid them like the plague, to burn their publications,
to not listen to them.
I mean, this is right out of the Dark Ages, Bob.
What about Jesus?
Did he have such a card, John?
Or John the Baptist?
They were all independent ministries.
You know good and well that they were, Bob.
They had nothing to do with the denominational leadership with the
conference there in Jerusalem.
And yet our people don't seem to see that.
Almost the whole Bible was written by independent ministers.
Here, let me read a little more here, John.
Similarly, any strange person or group of persons who approach any member or church
should produce clearance from the local mission conference present.
Otherwise, no church or member may have any transaction with such persons.
Well, John, you know, this is what happened to John Bunyan.
Yes.
You remember in the 17th century, John Bunyan was put in prison for 12 years
because he was preaching without a license.
Yeah.
And it's interesting that a Christian attorney named Gibbs has put out a number
of tapes in which he stresses this issue that the power to license is the power to
control.
And he asked the question about what about our churches and their teachers in
submitting to the licensing of their teachers in the schools?
Will the next step be the licensing of ministers?
Let me tell you something.
The conference uses credentials and license.
It is a political lever.
It is a political club that they hold over every pastor's head.
And I tell you, they make great...
Oh, they just love to proclaim the fact that John Osborne was never ordained.
It's because I never allowed them to hold this club over me.
And I said what I was convicted by the Holy Spirit to say.
And they could never control me.
Therefore, because they never got this control over me, they refused to ordain me
all the years I was a conference pastor.
And Bob, you know, I look at that as a red badge of courage to this day.
The fact that they never ordained me.
And instead of being ashamed of it, you know, saying, Oh, you know,
the conference never would ordain me even though I was a pastor for all those years.
I am now proud of the fact that they didn't ordain me because they saw in me a
free spirit and a mind that would not buckle under to the religious hierarchy.
And you do what we do and you say what we tell you to say or we won't ordain you.
And because I refused to do that, they didn't ordain me.
And today, I've got to admit, I'm kind of proud of it.
John, the great controversy tells us that the same thing happened to Zwingli.
Well, I'm really humbled to even be remotely compared to that great Protestant
reformer, Bob.
Thank you.
Page 167 here, John.
Another means of control to administrators is the threat of publicity.
This is once again from the book Law and Society, which is a textbook in the law
schools in the Jesuit University.
In small communities where people tend to know each other, adversely publicizing
wrongdoers can have a significant effect on changing their behavior.
Perhaps the most potent power in any administrator's hands is the power to
publicize.
And as you recall, after the Perth Declaration came out, there was a
conference president who said it wasn't strong enough.
We need to publicize the name.
That was heard in the review.
So that's another means of control.
And it's just interesting to me to see how this is all taught in Jesuit schools,
how to control, how to use the law to control, how to use administrative
regulation and licensing to control, and how we're seeing the same phenomenon
taking place in our ranks.
John, I'd like to get back to this paragraph I was reading here in great
controversy.
You started reading an hour ago at the beginning of this tape.
I'm sorry, Bob.
We just were going in so many different directions.
Get back to where you started.
Well, I'm constantly torn, John, between the desire to systematically go
through it and at the same time be sure I don't miss anything.
Because in the effort to be systematic, sometimes you can leave something out that
comes freshly to your mind when you're discussing something.
And we don't want to do that, of course.
But she said that where Catholicism is not in the ascendancy and the papists are
taking a conciliatory course in order to gain influence.
And that's exactly what the papacy has been doing for decades now.
There is an increasing indifference concerning the doctrines that separate the
Reformed churches from the papal hierarchy.
Now, I'd like to just mention, John, what about the nature of sin and the
origins of that doctrine of original sin, which has come into our ranks.
And Ellen White tells us that it is Satan's constant effort to misrepresent
the character of God, the nature of sin, and the real issues at stake in the Great
Controversy.
That's page 568, 569.
Isn't this concept that we have in the New Theology about the nature of sin and
Augustinian doctrine that came out of the Roman papacy?
Oh, yes.
Absolutely.
So, I'm saying there's an increasing indifference.
There's been now for 40 years in our church an increasing indifference
regarding the difference in doctrine.
And now it's even spread to the Eucharist, you see.
The nature of Christ is another one.
The issue of salvation from sin is a very fundamental one because Ellen White tells
us that the papacy, this is page 572, 573, the papacy is prepared for two
classes of mankind embracing nearly the whole world, those who would be saved by
their merits and those who would be saved in their sins.
New Theology.
Here is the secret of its power.
So, what better way to prepare the Seventh-day Adventist church for the
acceptance of the papacy than the teaching of the doctrine that one can be saved in
their sins?
We just go on in a saving relationship and even when we're in sin, we're still in
this saving relationship with the Lord.
So, there is an increasing indifference concerning the doctrines that separate the
Reformed churches from the papal hierarchy.
The opinion is gaining ground that after all we do not differ so widely upon vital
points as has been supposed.
And you remember B.B.
Beach wrote that book, So Much in Common, a number of years ago.
Yeah, that really got our people wired up.
We sent that out in the documentation packet and our people could not believe
that.
That's been printed for some years.
Oh, years and years.
And that a little concession on our part will bring us into better understanding
with Rome.
And John, whenever I think about that and see that happening, I think of the
Bohemians that Ellen White speaks of in great controversy.
The Bohemians were standing up for the truth.
They had had the influence of Hus and Jerome.
And the papacy brought the largest army that Europe could muster against the
Bohemians.
And every time their enterprise failed because God worked for the Bohemians.
And they were secure as long as they looked to the Lord and didn't take their
eyes off the Lord and they stood valiantly for the truth and aggressively for the
truth.
But you know the time came when they said, let's at least talk with Rome.
And they discussed various points.
And after parleying, they finally came to the position that they would make an
agreement with Rome.
And Rome would grant them religious liberty and various things that they
wanted under the proviso that Rome would interpret the treaty.
And as a result, there was civil war that came in and the reform was just about
almost wiped out in Bohemia.
And the nation was bathed in blood.
And their defense was gone because they had taken their eyes off of an aggressive,
spiritual, violent approach towards seeking the kingdom of God to parleying
with the forces of apostasy.
You see, this is what happened to me in 1987, Bob.
This is very painful for me to talk about.
I didn't even plan on getting into it in this video.
But a very painful thing took place with me and my ministry in 1987 when I tried
diligently and desperately to work together with the brethren.
And Prophecy Countdown had been preaching a very straight Three Angels message,
a very straight Elijah message since 1985.
And we tried desperately to work together with the Florida Conference
Administration.
And they just about silenced me.
And then wiped out Prophecy Countdown.
And Prophecy Countdown at the end of 1989 was almost defunct.
We had just wound down to almost nothing because we had been trying to work
together with the conference.
And they had, in essence, been able to almost strangle the life out of this
ministry.
And finally, when this celebration situation burst upon the church,
and I remember I first read about it out of Vance Farrell's material.
And I understand he got a lot of his material from Terry Ross.
And when I first understood and started hearing about this celebration thing,
and I made that first celebration video, I said, I can no longer remain silent.
I've been trying for three years now to work together with the brethren.
But I said, if working together with the brethren means that I have to accept this
apostasy and be silent in the midst of what they are doing in bringing this
Pentecostalism into the church, then my relationship with the Florida
Conference and with the General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists is forever
severed.
And I had to stand up and make that first video and call sin, sin.
And that's when the gauntlet was thrown down.
And it has been war with this ministry and the Seventh-day Adventist hierarchical
leadership ever since.
But unfortunately, I couldn't work together with them, Bob.
I tried desperately to work together with our leadership, and you just can't do it.
And the only way that I could do it was to permit them to silence me.
We have to look to the Lord first, and that's why Jesus said in Luke 14,
26, to me this is very fundamental to Protestantism.
Luke 14, 26, If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother,
and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, in his own life also,
he cannot be my disciple.
And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.
The disciple had to put Christ first, and had to have that relationship of
complete integrity with Christ, and not let any human entity come between
him and his relationship with Christ.
Incidentally, that's fundamental in the opposition that we should have to the
spiritual exercises coming in to our ranks, like it's doing now.
And incidentally, I understand it's happening out in the churches.
This is taking hold.
Back to great controversy here.
The time was when Protestants placed a high value upon the liberty of conscience,
which had been so dearly purchased.
You know, the time is coming, the spirit of prophecy tells us, when liberty of
conscience will be hated.
And it will be looked upon as apostasy.
The time is now.
It's already apostasy.
The time is now.
Yes.
They taught their children to abhor potpourri.
Now, in all of this, we love the Catholic people.
Yes.
One of our best family friends is a Catholic surgeon that my dad worked with
for 35 years.
Dear friend.
And he is highly esteemed by our family.
But the system of potpourri is to be abhorred.
Man of sin.
They taught their children to abhor potpourri.
Yes.
And held that to seek harmony with Rome would be disloyalty to God.
Yes.
Seeking harmony with Rome?
Giving gold medals?
Disloyalty to God.
Inviting them to address our worldwide assembly?
Seeking harmony with Rome is disloyalty to God.
But yet, when did B.B.
Beach do that?
Back in 1977, wasn't it?
That's right.
Okay, that means how long have our people kept that man in office continuing to be
our envoy to the papacy?
I mean, I can't believe this.
He gave that gold medal back in 1977.
And here we are still keeping that man in office and all the leadership that put him
in office.
And this whole system of leadership and they're still in office and getting worse.
And our people can't wake up to the fact that we've got to get these guys out of
there.
God is not going to hold us guiltless for permitting them to stay in.
I just remember I heard on CNN.
I get a lot of my news from CNN, Bob.
I think as you do.
And they had a quote.
I wish I could remember his name.
But he was a famous Russian historian.
And he said, people deserve the leaders they support.
That's right.
People deserve the governments they vote in.
And you see, the fact that we keep voting in these men as our leadership in our
church means that our people deserve exactly what they get.
Because we're the ones that are putting them and keeping them in office and
supporting them with our tithes and offerings.
John, it's a spiritual malaise that has enshrouded us.
Yeah.
Here's a quote from Manuscript 126, 1901, found in Volume 7A of the Bible
Commentaries, page 911.
God's estimate of the papal power.
Her comments now on the man of sin.
Why is the papacy called the man of sin?
And I think it's very significant.
By their treatment of his word, the popes have exalted themselves above
the God of heaven.
This is the reason that in prophecy, the papal power is specified as the man of
sin.
Because of the way they have related to the word.
That's right.
Now, a question that comes back to us is, how have we related to the word?
Have we put the word aside?
Are we living by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God?
No way.
Are we living in the fear of the Lord and submission to the word?
If we're not, that's a pure and simple explanation as to why we're falling back
into the hands of the papacy.
Because we're operating on the same principle as the papacy and putting our
own opinions above the word.
Satan is the originator of sin.
The power that he causes to alter any one of God's holy precepts is the man of sin.
Under Satan's special direction, the papal power has done this very work.
Although those standing at the head of the papacy claim to have great love for God,
he looks upon them as haters of him.
And why?
They have turned the truth of God into a lie.
Tampering with God's commandments and placing in their stead human traditions is
the work of Satan and will divorce the religious world from God.
For he declares, I, the Lord thy God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of
the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that
hate me.
God will fulfill this word.
So notice, when a person puts their own human traditions and their own human
opinions above the word of God, even though they profess great love to
God, God looks upon them as haters of him.
That's right.
Now, I have a very significant quotation here, John, from manuscript 9,
1900, from volume 7a also, page 950.
The determination of Antichrist to carry out the rebellion he began in heaven will
continue to work in the children of disobedience.
But all heaven is on the side of Christ, not of Antichrist.
Those who love God and are willing to be partakers with Christ in his sufferings,
God will honor.
Antichrist, meaning all who exalt themselves against the will and work of
God, will at the appointed time feel the wrath of him who gave himself that they
might not perish but have eternal life.
All who persevere in obedience, all who will not sell their souls for
money or for the favor of men, God will register in the book of life.
Amen.
You see, that's the differentiation between those who have a form of godliness
and denying the power thereof and the true and faithful, the church, the good woman
of Revelation 12.
That's the differentiation between the two systems who are functioning as Christians
in the last days.
You see, within this realm of people who are called the people of God, there are
the counterfeit and there are the genuine, and that's the differentiation between the
two.
John, what is so significant about this quote is that she defines Antichrist as
meaning all who exalt themselves against the will and work of God.
So, it's just not the papacy that's the Antichrist.
It's those who accept the teachings or who accept the concept of papal thought.
So, what you're saying, what we hear from the spirit of prophecy in the Bible is
that it's not only this one system that is the Antichrist, but you mean Seventh-day
Adventists accepting papal and Jesuit thought are functioning as the Antichrist
in the last days.
All who exalt themselves against the will and work of God.
Is it possible, then, ho, ho, I don't even know if I should say this, is it possible
that the leadership of the Seventh-day Adventist church can function as
Antichrist?
All who exalt themselves against the will and work of God.
You're very diplomatic, Bob.
So, we... the great question before us is to be settled into the truth
intellectually and spiritually.
Again and again, Ellen White speaks of the little band who is bound together by the
truth.
And the thorough Protestant outlook, I absolutely love it in the Great
Controversy and in all of Ellen White's writings, Scripture as well.
In the Desire of Ages, a major motif in that book is the struggle between Jesus
who humbled himself and went according to the word of God as opposed to the
conventional wisdom of the day and the thinking of the religious leaders who had
exalted their opinions and traditions over against the word.
That's where the conflict was in the chapter Days of Conflict in Desire of
Ages.
And the conflict grew and intensified until he was nailed on the cross of
Calvary.
Well, you know, John, through all of this, I'm sensing a need to experience the
beauty of the gospel, the joy of the Lord, the security our people can have in this
submission to the word.
Once we know what the word of God is, what the will of God is, to surrender
ourselves fully to that, to rest our case with him, to be fully surrendered in our
will and in our heart and to have that peace that passes all understanding.
That's what we're needing going into this final conflict.
Bob, it's, you know, I'm torn, as every person is, between their fleshly
nature and their spiritual nature, but I've got to be very honest with you
that don't think that I don't wake up at 2 o'clock in the morning thinking about the
hundreds and even thousands of people who would love to see me dead and to see you
dead and would love to shed our blood and to realize the evil that is being
practiced against this ministry, the treachery that is being practiced
against this ministry.
I don't want to go and dwell on this to our people, but if they had any idea of
the treachery that is being organized to crush this ministry and to get a hold of
our supporters across the nation and to try to turn them from buying these videos
and supporting the work that we are doing, it's, humanly speaking, it's absolutely
fearful.
And if we did not have an absolute faith in the Lord and to think of Daniel and how
when those spies were spying on him and trying to dig up all this stuff and the
false witnesses that were brought against Christ and all the treachery that has been
practiced against the true and faithful down through religious history,
including the Protestant Reformation and the way that the Protestant Reformers were
fearful for their life because of the way that papacy tried to crush them,
that our people need to realize that things have not changed.
We've modernized, yes, but the concepts are still the same.
To silence the dissidents at any cost, at any cost, Bob.
John, I'd like to read another quotation here from Great Controversy about
Romanism.
It's so important to have the correct worldview and to realize that the Bible
and the book of Revelation and Daniel and 2 Thessalonians is very clear about what
our perspective should be on Rome in our worldview, in our personal lives and our
life as a church.
But Romanism as a system is no more in harmony with the gospel of Christ now than
at any former period in her history.
The Protestant churches are in great darkness or they would discern the signs
of the times.
The Roman church is far-reaching in her plans and modes of operation.
She is employing every device to extend her influence and increase her power in
preparation for a fierce and determined conflict to regain control of the world,
to reestablish persecution and to undo all that Protestantism has done.
I'd like to spend some time on this video, John, looking at the background and this
effort, this fierce and determined effort to regain control of the world,
to reestablish persecution and to undo all that Protestantism has done.
Dropping down here a little more in Great Controversy, she says, Protestants have
tampered with and patronized potpourri.
They have made compromises and concessions which papists themselves are surprised to
see and fail to understand.
Men are closing their eyes to the real character of Romanism and the dangers to
be apprehended from her supremacy.
The people need to be aroused to resist the advances of this most dangerous foe,
the civil...
What did the people need?
Read that again.
Wait a second.
Read that again.
The people need to be aroused.
Is that what we are doing?
That's what we're trying to do, John.
You see, the people who are coming against us for daring to deal with this Jesuit
topic are not reading and studying.
If they were reading and studying, they wouldn't be saying this stuff.
It's so obvious that this is what we are to be doing, just what we are doing.
Exposing the man of sin, waking our people up to what is happening.
And that exposure involves uncovering what Rome has been doing.
Absolutely.
What her tactics are, what her agencies are, what her objectives are, and where
she is in this process.
Not just out there in Christendom, but to show our people just the inroads of
what they've made into the Seventh-day Adventist Church.
What they have done in our own denomination.
Right.
And yet people say, how dare you!
How dare you stand up and say these things that are being said.
Don't you realize that you're talking against the apple of God's eye,
the object of His supreme regard.
Let me tell you something, Romanism is not the apple of God's eye.
Romanism is not the object of His supreme regard.
It's a little horn power, isn't it?
The people need to be aroused to resist the advances of this most dangerous foe to
civil and religious liberty.
So, Rome is an enemy of civil liberty and an enemy of religious liberty.
Those are the two horns on the beast, the lamb-like beast in Revelation 13.
Those are the secret.
Civil liberty and religious liberty are the secret of America's power and success.
But Rome hates that.
Yes.
And Rome has wanted to subjugate this nation.
This nation has become so powerful, and she would like to exert her control
over this nation and over the churches.
And there is literature now coming out, John, that is exposing this.
I am amazed at how the Lord is moving on people's hearts to expose this.
It seems like this is happening all of a sudden.
I know I commented on this earlier, but it's kind of like how when the Lord
was ready for Daniel to be understood, it's how suddenly around the world it
seems like all of a sudden everybody was studying the book of Daniel and
understanding it.
And now this situation with this holy or unholy alliance between the kings of the
earth and the harlot of Revelation 17 and the little horn power of Daniel 7,
the Roman papacy, that suddenly everybody is seeing it and writing about it.
We are hearing about it on the media.
And all of a sudden this has just burst upon the worldly horizon of what is taking
place.
It's like God is saying now is the time to expose the man of sin.
That's right.
And so here we're looking at this Time article.
Time, How Reagan and the Pope Conspired to Assist Poland's Solidarity Movement and
Hasten the Demise of Communism.
Now just on the spur of the moment here, as we look at this use of solidarity,
I'd like to mention that solidarity is a much larger picture than just the labor
union in Poland.
Solidarity is the Roman Catholic term for the use of labor unions to achieve her
purpose.
I would like to show you a pin here, John.
This is the state employee's solidarity.
Here is a whole list of labor unions from the state of California.
Oh, that's not from Poland.
No, this is not from Poland.
From California.
This is from California.
So solidarity is not a Polish term.
That's just what we've heard about, you know, Lackawinsa and all that.
But this is something that is Catholic and is worldwide.
And it signifies all labor unions around the world that the papacy uses to do her
bidding.
And hasn't that been the way she's always worked?
Through another power?
That's right.
She uses many agencies.
Then if those agencies fail, the onus is not on her.
Nor can it be tracked back to her.
And we want to look at that, her use of various agencies.
I'm so captivated by this Time Magazine article.
I just wonder how many of our people have read that.
And how many people, when they saw it on the newsstand, said, this is prophecy
being fulfilled before our very eyes.
Or how many Adventists saw it and didn't think a thing about it.
Yes, this book by John Courtney Murray, We Hold These Truths, Catholic Reflections
on the American Proposition.
In the last video we saw that.
He mentions that the agency, the dominant agency that resides in society between the
individual and the government, and the church above all, is the labor
union.
And I thought that was significant.
In Lawrence Lader's book here, Politics, Power, and the Church,
The Catholic Crisis and Its Challenge to American Pluralism, Lawrence Lader,
who is a very credible reporter, who was cited eight times in Roe v.
Wade, tells of how the Catholic Church got involved in gaining control of the labor
unions in America.
He traces the rise to power of the Catholic Church in America from virtually
nothing at the year 1900, at the turn of the century, coming on down through the
gaining of control of the municipal governments in our cities, the media,
the labor unions, and has eventually catapulted itself now into international
stature.
He traces the coalition between the fundamentalist and charismatic churches in
America, the Roman Catholic conservative element in the church, as well as the
White House, and how this coalition, these three partners, have succeeded in
accomplishing amazing things.
Well, I'd like to look at this Time article a little bit with you,
John, because it's so significant.
I understand that the Vatican is now calling the article bizarre, and...
What do you expect them to say?
If you look at it, the author of it is Carl Bernstein, the same one that
uncovered the Watergate scandal.
A very good reporter, and I understand that he conducted 75 interviews in which
he obtained this information.
And this article traces the working together of Reagan and his administration,
the AFL-CIO, and the Vatican to destabilize the government in Russia and
in Poland, and to strengthen solidarity, which incidentally rested upon the
philosophical teachings of Thomas Aquinas, the greatest systematic theologian that
the Roman Catholic Church has ever had, and how they work hand in glove with
hardly a ripple of disagreement.
Cardinal after cardinal is mentioned in here, the Catholic team of the
administration, CIA Chief William Casey, Allen, Clark, Haig, Walters, and William
Wilson, Reagan's first ambassador to the Vatican.
Now, William Casey was a Knight of Malta.
Here is his biography by Joseph Persico, The Lives and Secrets of William J.
Casey from the OSS to the CIA.
And Casey was trained by the Jesuits.
In the third chapter, we find the chapter title, In the Hands of the Jesuits.
And it tells how he went to Fordham University.
And immediately he studied philosophy there.
Now, this is an important matter, because philosophy has been regarded by
the Roman Catholic Church as its chief agency in defending the faith.
A Fordham teacher and Jesuit priest during Casey's time said this about philosophy,
The main purpose of teaching philosophy is to defend the faith.
However strongly we may insist on its cultural value, down in our hearts we know
very well that our controlling motive is to implant those principles, which we have
received from a higher source than mere reason, to render our students immune from
those infections of skepticism and materialism that are in the air we
breathe.
This chapter goes on to tell how Casey was an Irish Catholic.
He would go down the streets with his schoolmates singing IRA songs.
And how he entered a system of learning that had scarcely changed in 400 years,
since Ignatius Loyola had created the Society of Jesus and set forth its Ratio
Studiorum, which is the Jesuit plan of study.
And to him there was one everlasting changeless truth, the Catholic Church.
He decided ultimately that he wanted to be the power behind the throne in America.
He wanted to be the kingmaker, the one that pulled the strings behind the
scenes.
And he was just that, the guy behind the throne advising the President of the
United States.
That's exactly what he was.
It's significant, I think, in here, John, that he attended in his senior year
a seminar on natural law.
And Roman Catholic natural law, of course, is a big thing in the thinking
of the Jesuits.
They are interested in shifting America off of the old Protestant morality,
which believed in the Bible as the ultimate norm of authority.
And John Courtney Murray, in his book, discusses how he was thrilled to see that
the old Protestant morality had died out from the public scene in America.
The morality that believed that you just accept the Bible for what it says.
The Bible is your norm of truth.
That your conscience is bound supremely to the Word of God and does not accept any
external norm of authority other than the Word of God.
That the person is motivated by a motivation of selfless love and
disinterested love to the other.
Actually, this is what made America great.
And the philosophy of John Locke, which has had taken Protestant concepts
and embedded them in political theory, his philosophy is attacked by John
Courtney Murray in here.
And Murray shows us how this philosophy, this old Protestant morality rather,
has been destroyed by relativism, or situationalism as he calls it.
Well, this is the thing that makes the Jesuits so deceptive.
It's that they go around in this sanctimonious garb doing all these,
quote, good things.
This is why people are so taken in by them because they have such a pious exterior.
Hiding these, you know, cloaking these terrible deeds and oaths and beliefs and
attitudes that they have.
And then, John, he says that the relativism is being shown to be defunct.
It can't hold America together.
It's not going to succeed.
And therefore, what's needed is Roman Catholic natural law.
Now, in Roman Catholic natural law, the person fits in to the norms that are
imposed on him from above by the state and the church.
He fits into the order.
And the church decides what that order is.
And it decides that based on reason and the nature of man.
And that's why it's called natural law.
It goes way back to Thomas Aquinas.
Because that's all we heard during the Clarence Thomas hearings.
And we realize that four of the seven Supreme Court justices today are Roman
Catholic who all believe in natural law.
When you realize that this natural law that they're talking about is Catholic
law.
And what it is, it's not the Constitution.
It's them interpreting the Constitution.
See, that's what's frightening.
The Constitution and the Bill of Rights and all that is wonderful.
But now we have Catholics, the major portion of the Supreme Court, interpreting
this.
You see, and that's where they always get their way, is by the interpretation.
That's right.
And you see, they're bringing in a new norm other than the Constitution.
And in this way, the Constitution can be repudiated.
That's right.
Just by the interpretation of it.
That's right.
In fact, John, before we go on, I'd like to bring in something about this.
I just picked up a book at that bookstore yesterday.
Triumph Without Victory.
The Unreported History of the Persian Gulf War.
The American people became aware that there was a titanic struggle going on
behind the scenes as we were about to go to war in Kuwait.
They knew that Bush had not sought permission from Congress to wage war,
and that we were going to war based on U .N.
resolutions.
Now, that's part of a bigger picture we want to look at here shortly.
A much bigger picture.
But I would like to read just their conclusion here about Bush and what the
administration did.
This is by the staff of U.S.
News and World Report.
This is page 414.
When the administration moved closer to a showdown with Saddam Hussein, as the
United Nations January 15 deadline approached, there was virtual hostility on
the part of the President and his men toward the Constitutional requirements
that govern the nation's conduct of foreign policy, especially as it may lead
to war.
Like each of his predecessors since Richard Nixon, George Bush believed that
the War Powers Resolution passed by Congress in 1973 was unconstitutional.
Also, like his predecessors, Bush refused to test the Resolution's constitutionality
in the courts.
The White House was convinced that it could proceed toward war with Iraq without
the consent of Congress, with or without the Resolution.
Indeed, the Resolution has served as a smokescreen.
And so, George Bush's remarkable success in constructing the international
coalition against Iraq should not obscure this point.
Although he ultimately sought and received the approval of the Congress, Bush has
stated that he believed such approval was not needed.
So there is a bypassing of our Constitution using United Nations
Resolution.
And hasn't he been the main author of this new world order, George Bush?
He's been the kingpin of this whole thing.
And John, that's what I'd like to look at that's behind this whole holy alliance
that is spoken of here.
Do you think the fact that our United States of America president is the one who
is leading out of this new world order has anything to do with Ellen White's
statements that the Protestant churches of this nation, America, would be foremost in
reaching the hands across the great abyss and clasping the hands of the Roman power?
And that is part of the strategy of the globalists, those who are working for this
new world order.
Absolutely.
To use America because it has a history of integrity.
Yes.
It has a history of success.
It is the power that is in the prime position to bring about this coalition,
this new world order.
Notice what Ellen White says in her comments on Revelation 17, verses 13 and
14.
These have one mind.
There will be a universal bond of union, one great harmony, a confederacy of
Satan's forces.
We are looking at a world that ultimately will be united.
It will be united except for the dissenters, those who have a different
worldview, those who hold to the three angels' messages.
There will be this universal bond of union and shall give their power and strength
unto the beast.
Thus is manifested the same arbitrary oppressive power against religious
liberty, freedom to worship God according to the dictates of conscience as was
manifested by the papacy, when in the past it persecuted those who dared to refuse to
conform with the religious rites and ceremonies of Romanism.
In the warfare to be waged in the last days there will be united in opposition to
God's people all the corrupt powers that have apostatized from allegiance to the
law of Jehovah.
So all of the powers, all of the corrupt powers, are going to unite together to
wage war against the faithful.
And the very thing that is happening in the church now, people say, How dare you?
You're standing up against the church.
How dare you speak against the church or do anything against the church?
Why, you're not a Christian.
You're a terrible person.
How dare you stand up and say anything against the church?
It's the same mentality when our government does this.
They say, You're un-American.
Why, you're a communist.
How dare you not do what our leadership says?
How dare you not do what our country says and go along to save our country?
You know, you're un-American.
And there is a conditioning process in the New Age movement, John, to bring this all
about.
You're a traitor.
Now, this biography of Cayce is very interesting to me because Penny Lerneau
tells us that Cayce was a Knight of Malta.
Now, what is that?
The Knights of Malta were one of the oldest orators of the Roman Catholic
Church.
And they are dedicated to using high finance and influence in high government
to bring about the worldwide supremacy of the papacy.
So we have this man, who is a Knight of Malta, trained by the Jesuits,
heading our CIA.
And now more and more literature is coming out showing the connection between our CIA
and the Vatican in intelligence gathering and how they have worked together.
Just like in this Time article, how they worked together, the CIA and the
Vatican.
And the CIA looked like little children's play in comparison with the ability of the
Vatican in this area.
Tell me something, Bob.
Do you believe the techniques used by the Vatican and then by the CIA to silence
dissidents could possibly now be practiced by the leadership of the Seventh Adventist
Organization, the Seventh Adventist Corporation, to silence the independent
ministries and the dissidents that are causing her demise?
Well, what we want to look at, of course, is what are the techniques?
Are the techniques the same?
Where are they finding out about the techniques, you know, and are they
applying them in the same way?
This is what Ellen White called in the track of Romanism.
There's page after page in testimonies to ministers declaring that we are following
in the track of Romanism.
That was way back from the 1890s.
The Protestant Reformation is taking place all over again.
That's what's happening in the Seventh Adventist Church.
It's just a resurgence of the Protestant Reformation.
Yes, it's the same struggle.
Exactly.
The parallels are just unbelievable.
Now, I have here a book that has just come out, John, which utterly fascinates me.
The title is En Route to Global Occupation.
Now, we're hearing a lot about this now, but I have never seen an author who has
brought it all together like this author.
He's a high-ranking government liaison, and he warns that national sovereignty
will soon be a thing of the past.
Now, we know that the Sunday Law will be extended from country to country around
the world.
Political forces around the world are now cooperating in unprecedented fashion to
achieve their goal of uniting the people of this planet under a New World Order.
Because of his background in government, Gary Kauff was invited to join the WCPA,
the World Constitution and Parliament Association, overseeing the planning and
implementation of the One World Government.
Now, I think it's important, John, to remember that Rome uses lots of other
agencies, like you say, to accomplish her purpose.
For the skeptical observer, the material in this book should serve as ample
evidence that the drive to create a One World Government is for real, including
reproductions of the original WCPA documents.
The author further demonstrates that there is an ominous cooperation between the
globalists who are promoting the One World Government, the burgeoning New Age groups
who are promoting a new religion.
If our countrymen do not begin to resist this global government, sovereign nations
will cease to exist and a single global economic system will be established.
So he has quite a history.
The last paragraph deals with his credentials.
But he tells of how he had the job in his government career in the early 1980s of
going around the world, dealing with American embassies, foreign government
officials, international business leaders, and members of the press and media.
He became aware in these travels of plans being laid worldwide for the establishment
of a One World Government, referred to by insiders as the New World Order.
He says most of his insights were gained over a three-year period as a result of
several experiences.
And if he had learned about this from some person on the streets, he probably would
have dismissed it as nonsense.
But because of the circumstances surrounding his experiences and the
caliber of the people through whom he learned of these things, he had to take
the information seriously.
And eventually, he began writing a book.
What triggered the whole thing was he was overseas, going through a tour of a
certain facility, and this facility was planning a major expansion.
The corporate official in charge of the tour answered when he was asked why they
were undergoing this expansion.
He said, we are one of three companies being considered by the U.S.
Treasury Department to build the printing presses that will be printing the new U.S.
currency.
And he says they all looked at each other and they said, what new U.S.
currency?
Here they all were government officials learning about a planned new currency
through the grapevine from a private, non-governmental source.
Anyway, he began researching, and the whole thing of world government,
as we know, goes back to the Tower of Babel after the Flood.
Where Satan wanted to have a one world government where he could control the
entire world and put it under his domination.
And God interrupted it, and I am absolutely convinced that God is going to
interrupt this new world order just in its closing phases with the Second Coming.
Yes.
And so, you see, John, what happened with the mystery religions and the occult was
they went underground after this experience of being broken up there.
And they have carried on in their occult societies and the mystery religions,
and much of this made its way into the Roman Catholic Church, as we know.
The Roman Catholic Church was a continuation.
In fact, the book of Revelation in chapter 13, in describing this leopard-like beast,
tells us about the different components.
The beast was like a leopard, and Ellen White tells us this is the papacy.
The leopard is the Greek philosophy, the Greek elements that came into the
papacy.
His feet were as the feet of a bear, Medo-Persia, with its sun worship and that
dimension of the papacy.
And his mouth is the mouth of a lion, the things inherited from ancient Babylon.
And so, we have the ancient mystery religions being carried on by the occult
societies.
Now, when we come down closer to our time, many of us have heard about the Illuminati
that was started on May the 1st in 1776 by Adam Weishaupt.
And the Illuminati's desire to have a new world order.
Now, how does the Illuminati play into the hand of the papacy?
Explain a little more of what the Illuminati is.
All right.
The Illuminati was designed, as Gary Koss says here, for one purpose, to carry out
the plans of high free masonry, to create a new world order by gaining a
foothold in the key policy-making circles of European governments and attempting to
influence the decisions of Europe's leaders from within through these advisory
positions.
So, their idea was to surround government leaders and government officials with
masons who would influence them in their decision-making so that they would
ultimately be able to obtain a new world order.
Now, you mentioned the word masonry.
Let's talk just a little bit about that and what Ellen White has to say about
masonry and all secret societies and labor unions and things such as this and how it
plays into the papacy.
Because I know even in my own church, Bob, that I have to deal with members of
my congregation who have been baptized into this truth, who are members of the
labor union and they're masons, and you have to explain this type of
thing.
And I believe that many of our Seventh-day Adventist people are ignorant about the
counsel that we have received about these things and how they play right into the
hand of the Roman papacy.
You know, I've been hearing for some time, John, about how the highest levels of the
Masonic Lodges are controlled by the Roman Catholic Church.
Now, the masons are everywhere.
Even in little towns of 200 members, one of the biggest buildings in town will
be the Masonic Lodge.
And I was astounded, in this book, to read on page 92, that if a Mason
decides to advance in the York Rite, the whole thing is top secret,
incidentally, and at each stage they vow to keep secret what they've learned at the
cost of their life of being torn apart or various ways of being killed if they
reveal what they have found out in the Masonic Order.
But notice what the last three orders are, the last three degrees in the York Rite.
They are the Knight of the Red Cross, the Knight of Malta, and the Knight's
Templar.
Now, we just talked about William Casey, who was a Knight of Malta.
And so here we have the highest levels, and this is the clearest evidence I've
seen of the tie-in between the papacy...
and the highest degree of the Masons, which is the arm of the Roman papacy...
And he was a Knight of Malta.
...affiliated with the Jesuits, and he's leading the CIA, the Central
Intelligence Agency, for the United States of America.
Oh, Bob.
Okay, John, the early men who led our nation were concerned about the
Illuminati.
In fact, Washington denounced the Illuminati in two separate letters written
in 1798.
And he warned America again against foreign influence in his farewell address.
Washington stated that the insidious wiles of foreign influence...
the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake to...
since history and experience prove that foreign influence is one of the most
baneful foes of Republican government.
He said, I have heard much of the nefarious and dangerous plan and doctrines
of the Illuminati.
It was not my intention to doubt that the doctrine of the Illuminati and the
principles of Jacobinism had not spread in the United States.
So after the Illuminati were exposed in the 1780s, the work that they were
organized to accomplish with the new world government was carried on by what's called
Illuminized Masonry.
In other words, the whole...
Is that the all-seeing eye?
Somebody told me...
Yes, there you have it.
The occult all-seeing eye.
That eye at the top of the pyramid on the back of our one dollar bill, is that the
all-seeing eye of the Illuminati?
And the reason the capstone is not on the pyramid is because it's a recognition that
it is not complete yet.
It's in the process of completion.
All these years, right here on the dollar bill, and people have no idea what all
this stuff represents.
Now what masonry has done is to keep alive those ancient mystery religions and their
secret rites.
And now they are, in early America, they were working to bring about,
eventually, in time, they know it's going to take time, a new world order,
a world government.
This is the idea.
That is so plain.
Now, the process of accomplishing this involved economics.
And President Thomas Jefferson was aware of a drive in America to bring America's
banking system under the control of European forces.
You see, the Freemasonry brought about the Napoleonic Revolution in France.
And they were interested in spreading their ideas over here to America.
So Thomas Jefferson said, if the American people ever allow private banks to control
the issue of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation,
the banks and the corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the
people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent
their fathers conquered.
Now let me ask you, John, is our American economy controlled by a private bank?
Yes.
What bank?
Federal Reserve.
There you have it.
Now, this government liaison demonstrates in here how the creation of the Federal
Reserve Act was brought about by the Masons in this overall plan.
Now, it's an overall plan.
It's been taking decades.
It's been worked gradually toward its ultimate completion.
It's a long process and they knew that it would take a long time.
Now, Abraham Lincoln strongly resisted efforts by Illuminist forces to establish
a privately controlled central bank.
His foresight and wisdom would prevent the establishment of such a system for another
48 years.
Shortly before he was assassinated, President Lincoln warned, as a result of
the war, corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places
will follow and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign
by working on the prejudices of the people until wealth is aggregated in the hands of
a few and the republic is destroyed.
I feel at this moment more anxiety for the safety of my country than ever before,
even in the midst of war, he said.
So, John, the very thing that Thomas Jefferson feared, that Washington feared,
and that Lincoln feared, came to pass in 1913 with the establishment of the Federal
Reserve.
Now, this book has come out in recent years, a New York Times bestseller,
Secrets of the Temple, How the Federal Reserve Runs the Country.
And this is considered to be a groundbreaking bestseller, revealing for
the first time how the mighty and mysterious Federal Reserve operates and
how it manipulated and transformed both the American economy and the world during
the last eight crucial years.
Based on extensive interviews with all the major players, Secrets of the Temple takes
us inside the government institution that is in some ways more secretive than the
CIA and more powerful than the President or Congress.
And yet, they're not elected people that serve on it.
It's completely outside the democratic process in our country.
And the very thing that the Masons wanted to do, they accomplished in 1913.
And we're having to grapple with it in our day.
Now, coming down in time, the Council on Foreign Relations was established in our
country.
Established by the same type of Masonic influence which established the Federal
Reserve.
And the Council on Foreign Relations is the powerful organization which,
if we just look at some of the directors, we get an idea of the power of this
organization.
Walter Lippmann, Adlai Stevenson, Cyrus Vance, Zbigniew Brzezinski,
Robert O.
Anderson, Paul Volcker, who used to head the Federal Reserve, Theodore M.
Hessberg, Lane Kirkland, who was in the unions, as I recall, George H.W.
Bush, Henry Kissinger, David Rockefeller, George Shultz, Alan Greenspan,
who currently heads it up.
I was going to say Greenspan, I said Greenspan's got to be in on that too.
He is the highest ranking economist in the United States, the one that everybody goes
to.
Brent Scowcroft, Gene Kirkpatrick, and Richard B.
Cheney, who was, we saw him a lot during the Kuwait War.
Recognized so many of those names.
Yes, and the most powerful man in the Council on Foreign Relations has been
David Rockefeller.
But you see, their effort was to establish the United Nations, to bring the United
States into the United Nations.
When the United States did not go into the League of Nations, there was a major
setback for aluminized masonry.
And so they decided to take a little different attack.
And this time, the Council on Foreign Relations, which overwhelmingly
propagandizes the global concept, made it much more convenient for the
United States by establishing the United Nations on United States soil.
And so that stage began developing with the United Nations.
Now we know what role the United Nations played in the Kuwait scenario,
and the overall picture of a new world order.
But Bob, we can see...
Okay, so all this has happened in our country, and our governmental leadership
has caved into this, or been led as the Pied Piper led the rats out of the city,
into all of this stuff of the Jesuits.
But what does that have to do with the Seventh-day Adventist corporation?
We'll come to that in a little bit.
You're laying the foundation.
No, we have to know what's happening strategically in the whole world,
and then we'll see what is happening within our church.
For instance, here's study number 7.
This is page 33 of this book.
A Council on Foreign Relations position paper published on November 25th,
1959.
The CFR stated that its purpose was to advocate the building of a new
international order, which may be responsible to world aspirations for
peace, and for social and economic change.
An international order including states labeling themselves as socialist or
communist.
The term new world order, or new international order, has been used
privately by the CFR since its inception to describe the coming world government.
However, since the fall of 1990, the Council on Foreign Relations members
have for the first time begun using the term publicly to condition the public for
what lies ahead.
You notice how we started hearing that a lot in 1990.
If the American people hear the term often enough before the world government is
formed, it is hoped they will be less likely to resist the effort or feel
threatened by it when that day arrives.
It's happened the same way with celebration.
Some places you have the celebration term for years before the actual thing comes
in.
Our church was conditioned with that term by magazines, by periodicals that's
showing up everywhere in the Sabbath school lesson, in the guides, in the
Insight, in the Adventist Review.
We were seeing celebration everywhere because our people had to be conditioned
to accept the term.
Right.
And that's exactly what's happening on a global basis.
See, in the book of Revelation, the global picture is there.
The new world order, it should be explained, is an expression that has been
used by Illuminized Freemasonry since the days of Weishaupt.
He's the one that established the Illuminati.
Right.
To signify the coming world government over which the Antichrist would come to
rule once it had been built.
One of Illuminized Freemasonry's secret symbols portraying this message was placed
on the back of our dollar bill during the administration of Franklin D.
Roosevelt.
Roosevelt was himself a 33rd degree Mason.
I've heard that.
Now, it's my understanding from the 33rd degree on up, the Roman Catholic Church
controls the Masons.
You see, this is very fascinating because here you have an organization which most
people think is anti-Catholic.
And people from the Protestant churches and the world at large join this.
They want to be in with the club or the group in their locale.
Now, the Catholic equivalent to this is the Knights of Columbus, right?
The Knights of Columbus are a special order designed to bring America under the
control of the papacy.
In fact, John, a year or two ago, I got a three-volume set on the Knights of
Columbus put out by the Roman Catholic Church.
And in the first few pages, it stated that one of the primary goals of the Knights of
Columbus was to change the history books in America to reflect the Roman Catholic
concept of history.
You are kidding me.
They come right out and say that?
Yes, it's right in the beginning.
See, this is exactly what I deal with in my evangelistic series when we deal with
all of this stuff about the papacy.
I say, folks, you won't find this in your history books.
It's been strangely, it's been expunged for the last 20, 30 years out of our
history books.
And our history books have been changed.
But I never realized that this is just blatantly endorsed by the Knights of
Columbus that this is what they have set out to do is to change our history books.
One of the major objectives.
I mean, they are just so crass.
I mean, they are just right out in the open.
They don't even try to hide what they are out to do.
Now, we'll see how all that ties in with the Masons and the New Age movement
shortly here.
Roosevelt was a 33rd degree Mason and a close associate of the Council on Foreign
Relations.
The Masonic symbol consists of a pyramid with the all-seeing eye of a cirrus or
bale above it.
Underneath the pyramid is written Novus Ordo Seclorum, which means the New Order
of the Ages or the New World Order in Latin.
The symbol was designed by Masonic interests and became the official reverse
side of the Great Seal of the United States in 1782.
And then, of course, 150 years later, it was put on our $1 Federal Reserve note.
At the time the seal was designed, the New World Order was still in the early
stages of being built and was not yet complete.
This is symbolized by the capstone being separated from the rest of the pyramid.
However, once the New World Order has been built and the One World Government is in
place, the capstone will be joined to the rest of the pyramid, symbolizing the
completion of the task.
Now, incidentally, this Gary Caugh came across, after he went to a speaking
appointment, he came across an old lady who came up to him after he spoke at a
certain meeting.
And she said, I have been gathering books on the Masons from widows of Masons who
have died for 20 years.
Would you be interested?
And so he spent months and months going through.
I mean, he really delved into this material.
Now, dropping down, the goal of the Council of Foreign Relations was to
influence all aspects of society in such a way that one day Americans would wake up
and find themselves in the midst of a one-world system, whether they liked it or
not.
Their hope was to get Americans to the point where entering a world government
would seem as natural and American as baseball and apple pie.
How many years have they been trying to do this?
200 years?
Since the Masons have been working on it, sure.
It's been right here on our $1 bill the whole time.
I had no idea that these Latin words on the back were...
New World Order.
New Order of the Ages.
New Order of the Ages or New World Order.
Right there, printed in Latin, right on the back of our dollar bill.
You can see their strategy.
You can see what the Jesuit agenda has been for hundreds of years now.
The Jesuits' planned strategy, they are the military strategists and they
use other orders to accomplish it.
Their goals.
And it's not hard to imagine that they would use the Knights of Malta,
who are in the highest echelons of the York Rite of the Masonic Order.
You see, the thing that is coming as such a shock to our people is that we expect
our nation to do this, but we never expected the Conference to do this.
We never expected our church leadership to do this.
We never expected the Seventh-day Adventist Corporation to be a part of
this.
That's what's absolutely blowing away our Adventist people is to see how that our
church leadership is now a part of this.
Well, there's a lot more to come on this, John, and how the things that are coming
in in our ranks are all part of this overall picture.
The Council on Foreign Relations control of the State Department ensured the U.S.
membership in the United Nations following the war.
And so see how it goes step by step, stage by stage.
And then the U.N.
was established in 1945, and we have other groups now that began asserting themselves
toward a new world order.
The Bilderbergers is one group, approximately 100 power elite from the
member nations of NATO.
Its membership is interlocked with that of the Council on Foreign Relations.
Incidentally, this is all documented in this book.
I'm reading from page 38.
The Trilateral Commission was an offspring of the Council on Foreign Relations.
The Bilderbergers, the Club of Rome, each designed to carry out a specific task
within the broader mission of establishing a new world order.
So here the Council on Foreign Relations is a springboard for the Bilderbergers,
who would be a NATO element working for a new world order.
The Club of Rome and the Trilateral Commission all were to each have their own
specific tasks.
The creation of these new organizations would represent a mere restructuring of
the one world political hierarchy, which is always changing, revising,
adapting itself to current situations to further its agenda.
Now notice that the hierarchy, among other things, had called for world
government to be achieved in stages through the forming of world
administrative regions.
This is in accordance with the UN Charter.
And the countries of the world would be merged into several regions to break down
concepts of national sovereignty.
Now, I want to get a book here, if we haven't brought it over already,
John.
So what you're saying is that what they are trying to do is to break down
individual loyalties to our countries and just give regions of the world and break
down this fierce patriotism that each of us have for our individual countries.
They have to do away with that first.
And isn't that this... oh, I'm probably getting ahead of you.
But isn't this the same concept that they're trying to use now with churches?
This loyalty to our churches, to where we're just all one big church all together
under the banner of Christ and get away from these individual doctrines and just
all come together in unity.
That's exactly what they're trying to do in the world.
Malachi Martin brings out how John Paul's second strategy is to eliminate these
national boundaries and create a one world government under the control of the
papacy.
And they've got to do the same thing with the church.
Get away from all these boundaries of the different churches and different doctrines
and just come together in unity.
Exactly the same Jesuit concept.
Right.
Now, the overriding purpose of the Bilderbergers, like its sister
organizations, the Council on Foreign Relations and the United Nations,
is the establishment of a world government.
And the Club of Rome is another interesting aspect of this.
Another organization that has drawn a high percentage of its members from the Council
on Foreign Relations is the Club of Rome.
It claims to be an informal organization of less than 100 people who are,
in their own words, scientists, educators, economists, humanists,
industrials, national and international civil servants.
Included among these have been the members of the Rockefeller family.
The Club of Rome has been charged with the task of overseeing the regionalization and
unification of the entire world.
The Club could therefore be said to be one step above the Bilderbergers in the
one-world hierarchy.
The Club of Rome's founder, Peccei, has been a close associate of the
Bilderbergers.
As far as I have been able to determine, says Gary Caw, most of the directives for
the planning of the world government are presently coming from the Club of Rome.
Now notice the document here that the Club released, entitled Regionalized and
Adaptive Model of the Global World System, prepared by the Club of Rome's members,
reveals that the Club has divided the world into ten political economic regions,
which it refers to as kingdoms.
Now I thought that was fascinating.
What if I heard something like that?
Revelation 17.
Revelation 17?
Because it says there they have not yet received the status of kingdoms.
Sure, okay.
As yet.
The Trilateral Commission.
During the 50s and 60s, the same congressional leaders who had been
campaigning against the Federal Reserve System began to expose the Council on
Foreign Relations, and then eventually they found out about the Trilateral
Commission.
Now the Trilateral Commission is a three-based, trilaterally-based system,
which has the United States as one base, Europe as another, and Japan as another.
Now their job is to interlock the nations economically.
Which has already happened.
All right, and what happened?
I mean, how did it happen?
They used the Arabs to create the oil crisis.
Remember that in the early 70s?
Sure, 72, 73.
All right, and there was an oil embargo.
Now you could say, well, you know, the Islamic philosophy or Islamic religion
brought all of the Arabs together to do this.
But it had never been able to accomplish that before for them.
But the Rockefellers could, through the Council on Foreign Relations and the
Trilateral Commission.
They were able to induce the Arabs to have an oil embargo.
And at the same time, the Japanese had the small cars ready to go, and Americans
bought the small cars.
And thus, as Gary Kahn points out here, the interlocking of the world economically
took place at a far faster rate than any of the people who had engineered this ever
dreamed.
The globalists never thought that it would happen as fast as it did.
The purpose of the Trilateral Commission would be to promote world government by
encouraging economic interdependence among the superpowers.
Now, just look at what we hear on the news all the time.
Interdependence.
Economic interdependence.
We're hearing that term all the time now.
Steering the economies of the member nations into a position where they would
be completely intertwined, the Trilateral Commission augments the regionalization
efforts of its sister organizations, the Bilderbergers and the Club of Rome.
Rockefeller's main accomplice in this endeavor would be Zbigniew Brzezinski,
who drafted the Commission's charter and went on to become the organization's first
director.
Incidentally, this is page 45.
It's all footnoted here.
Now, isn't Brzezinski the one that was in the Carter administration?
Yes.
Sure.
Brzezinski, who would later become Jimmy Carter's national security advisor,
wrote several books detailing his worldview.
That is the security advisor.
Oh, boy.
Yes.
In one of these books, entitled Between Two Ages, written in 1970, Brzezinski
calls for a new international monetary system and prepares the reader for the
acceptance of a global taxation system.
Do you see God holding back the four winds of strife, Bob, until the servants of God
are sealed in their forehead?
Don't you see that taking place?
That all of this was in place, could have happened years ago,
but God has been holding back the winds of strife for His people to be sealed.
And God is pleading and God is using all of these, you know, people like you and I
and the independent ministries that are willing to stand up and be counted and to
shake our people and say, Wake up!
Don't you see that it's time for God's people to be sealed in their foreheads?
We are going to make the decision of either being eternally saved or eternally
lost at this moment.
That's right.
Now, Brzezinski, interestingly, favored the writings of the French Jesuit
priest Teilhard de Chardin.
Now, we talked about him in our Jesuit agenda.
One, he is the most influential figure in the New Age movement.
Deceased now, but his writings live on.
And Brzezinski was very interested in Teilhard's message, and the Trilateral
Commission became a virtual carbon copy of the Council on Foreign Relations.
So by the 70s and 80s, the Council on Foreign Relations and the Trilateral
Commission had become exceedingly powerful in our government affairs.
It had become impossible or difficult to ignore.
And Congressman Larry McDonald took the matter before Congress on February 4,
1981, calling for a comprehensive congressional investigation of the Council
on Foreign Relations and the Trilateral Commission, following up Resolution 773 of
the American Legion, which urged Congress to investigate these organizations to
determine their influence on U.S.
policy.
Do you remember Korean Airlines 007?
Well, sure.
When the Russians shot it down?
Do you know what the Congressman's name was that was on board?
Oh, I don't remember his name, but I remember hearing that he was in the
middle of some investigation or something.
That was it.
That was the investigation.
He did everything humanly possible to expose the plot right up until his death
aboard the Korean airliner in 1983.
The 007 McDonald.
Oh, that was Larry McDonald that was killed?
Oh!
See, he was pushing for an investigation on the Council on Foreign Relations and
the Trilateral Commission.
The 007 accident backfired on the establishment as it set off a wave of
repulsion at the state level.
People were infuriated by McDonald's death and the failure of the media to even
mention the fact that he had been exposing a conspiracy.
Those who were aware that the battle was being waged behind the scenes began to
apply pressure on Congress to take action.
On April 3rd of 1985, the Indiana House of Representatives introduced Resolution 19,
calling for a comprehensive investigation of the Trilateral Commission and the
Council on Foreign Relations pursuant to the efforts of Larry McDonald.
But there was no media coverage on all of this to speak of.
And since McDonald's death, Jesse Helms has become the most outspoken critic of
these organizations.
And he stated in one of his speeches, Mr. President, a careful examination of
what is happening behind the scenes reveals that all of these interests are
working in concert with the masters of the Kremlin in order to create what some refer
to as a New World Order.
Private organizations such as the Council on Foreign Relations, the Royal Institute
of International Affairs, the Trilateral Commission, the Dartmouth Conference,
the Aspen Institute for Humanistic Studies, the Atlantic Institute,
and the Bilderberger Group serve to disseminate and coordinate the plans for
this so-called New World Order in powerful business, financial, academic,
and official circles.
And he said, the principal instrument of this control over the American economy and
money is the Federal Reserve System.
It was quite a speech, and I'm only citing a few...
This is Jesse Helms' speech?
Jesse Helms, yes.
So he kind of took up the torch.
He said that we are on the road to economic concentration and political
slavery.
Now he's the senator from North Carolina, right?
I think that's it.
Yeah.
All right, in the next chapter, Gary Kahn deals with America's shadow
government.
He says, every U.S.
ambassador to NATO has been a member of the Council of Foreign Relations or the
Trilateral Commission.
Our national defense has been dominated by these people.
Every U.S.
defense secretary of the past 35 years, with the exception of Clark Clifford,
either belonged to the Council on Foreign Relations or the Trilateral Commission.
The Defense Department has been under the control of this.
Every Supreme Allied commander in Europe has been a member of the CFR or the TC.
He goes on and lists one department after another of our government.
The Treasury Department, the Federal Reserve.
The list goes on and on.
And virtually every area of the military is dominated by members of the Council on
Foreign Relations.
Then he lists the last nine presidents with their organizational affiliations.
Franklin D.
Roosevelt, Masonic Lodge.
Harry S.
Truman, Masonic Lodge.
JFK, CFR.
Lyndon B.
Johnson, Masonic Lodge.
Richard M.
Nixon, Council on Foreign Relations.
Gerald R.
Ford, Jr., Masonic Lodge and Council on Foreign Relations.
James E.
Carter, Jr., Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission.
Ronald Reagan, Masonic Lodge.
George Bush, Skull and Bones, Council on Foreign Relations and Trilateral
Commission.
Skull and Bones is a Yale secret organization.
So, the next step that he points out is the control of this element over the
media.
Who is involved in the Council on Foreign Relations in the media?
CBS, William Paley, Dan Rather, Harry Reisner, Bill Moyers from NBC,
Tom Brokaw, John Chancellor, Marvin Kalb, Irving R.
Levine.
All on the Council on Foreign Relations.
All flaming liberals.
And from ABC, David Brinkley, John Scully, Barbara Winters.
From CNN, Daniel Shore.
From Public Broadcast Service, Robert McNeil and Jim Lehrer.
And Howding Carter III.
So, he points out how they have controlled the media.
The papers, the takeover of independent newspapers and mergers.
And it's quite a portrayal here.
Major magazines in the CFR orbit include Fortune, Time, Life, Money, People and
Sports Illustrated, Newsweek, Businessweek, U.S.
News and World Report, Saturday Review, Reader's Digest, Atlantic Monthly,
McCall's and Harper's Magazine.
Every secular magazine...
They are controlling virtually every aspect of the media.
That's why you don't hear certain aspects of the media.
It's interesting that this book that I just got yesterday that I referred to a
few minutes ago, Triumph Without Victory, is the unreported history of the Persian
Gulf War.
The Persian Gulf War was one of...
The war probably with one of the least exposure of newspaper reporters to what
actually was going on.
They had these pools, remember?
And the military reporters that gave the... fed the information to the media
were very skilled in what they were doing and the media only got what the military
was basically.
That's why U.S.
News wrote this book.
Then, public education.
He goes into public education and the influence of the Rockefellers and John
Dewey's socialist philosophy and how Dewey had an enormous control over the educators
in our country.
And he brought in the relativism.
He had the destruction of permanent moral absolutes.
He wrote, there is no room for fixed natural law or permanent moral absolutes.
So here is this era of relativism that I mentioned a little while ago that John
Courtney Murray, the Jesuit, told us we have been shifted through.
And incidentally, John, I want to get another book here called The Closing of
the American Mind.
This book is by Professor Alan Bloom and in it he tells, in the first few pages,
of how in the last 50 years our entire educational system has been altered to
bring in relativism.
He says, there is one thing a professor can be absolutely certain of almost every
student entering the university believes or says he believes that truth is
relative.
And I remember talking to an old friend of mine who is now a dean at one of our
academies and I said to him, what's the difference now between the students that
you have in the dorm and what things were like when we were going to school a
generation ago?
And he said, today the students all believe that truth is relative.
Everything is relative.
What's right for you may not be right for me.
Doesn't that just stand to reason since all of our schools have embraced the
golden calf of accreditation and in order to be accredited you have to send your
teachers out to be trained in the schools of Babylon and of course they drink from
the sewers of Babylon, come back to our schools and teach it to our students.
Those students become our teachers for the next generation.
Don't you see how this thing of accreditation that started back in the
20's we've got to be accredited, we've got to be accredited and by bowing
down to that golden calf of accreditation look at the harvest that we are reaping
from what we did 50 years ago.
Well that's so true John because you know in my generation I can remember back when
the old protestant absolutes were still dominant in the community that I grew up
in as a boy when I was small and even in our school system.
But about in my academy years at the end of the 60's the late 60's this relativism
came in like a flood and along with it rationalism.
Now I remember when I was at the seminary I went down one time on a trip to
Washington D.C.
and I spoke with a person who is high in the general conference for about 3 hours
about our educational system and he told me, he said, Bob, he said, our entire,
virtually our entire educational system now is relying on rationalism instead of
faith in the word of God.
And that's exactly what we're describing here.
It's exactly what the Jesuits said was the shift that would take place from the old
protestant morality through relativism to break up the divine absolutes and then to
bring in ultimately Roman Catholic natural law with a new set of absolutes,
namely those of the papacy.
And this is exactly what our church is following.
As a boy I remember there was a consensus in our church.
There was an agreement about what our mission was.
Three Angels' Messages and Mark of the Beast and that type of thing.
It was black and white when I was growing up.
Everything was black and white, you know.
But now there's just this big gray area and you don't, you know, people don't know
what to believe.
That's the relativism.
What's right for you may not be right for me, you see.
And truth is relative rather than looking at the word and saying this is where we
find truth.
Jewelry wearing is wrong or, you know, this is wrong and this is right.
But that relativism, you see, breaks up the old divine absolutes.
What Luther preached was Scripture alone, the sovereignty of God, and the verities
of Scripture.
It brought about in the people's minds a security because they knew that they were
serving an unchanging God with whom there is no variableness nor shadow of turning.
Now all of that got broken up in Germany long before it did over here because the
main philosopher of our time in the modern era who has promoted this relativism was
Hegel.
And his ideas caught hold in Germany before they did over here.
And you know what it brought about in Germany was Nazism.
It destroyed in the people's minds the resistance that they could have to a
dictator by relying on the divine absolutes of the law and the word of God.
And then they were prepared for a human dictator.
Totalitarianism.
Exactly what is happening in the Seventh-day Adventist Church.
As the moral fabric of our Adventist people has deteriorated from a generation
going through this relativism, they are now prepared to accept a human
tyranny, just like we read there from Nigeria.
You see, the Bible and the spirit of prophecy have been the foundation of
everything that we have believed as Seventh-day Adventists all the time I was
growing up.
And suddenly the spirit of prophecy has been thrown out the window and the
interpretation of scripture is the evangelical interpretation of scripture.
And everything that I have had as a basis for religion in my years of growing up in
the Seventh-day Adventist Church has suddenly been knocked out from under me.
And I along with all the rest of our people are realizing that we have got to
read and study and find out why we believe what we believe.
And if there is nothing more that comes out of this crisis, it's knocking the
props out from under our people and forcing them to know why we believe what
we believe.
Right.
Now, Alan Bloom, who is a professor at the University of Chicago, says that the
teaching that has gone on in our schools now for the last 50 years is this
relativism.
Relativism is necessary to openness and this is the virtue, the only virtue,
which all primary education for more than 50 years has dedicated itself to
inculcating.
And you look at when Dewey took over in the 30s with his influence in our
educational system as a result of the influence of the Masons through these
organizations which we've been talking about, the impact on education and the
American public in breaking up the old allegiances to God, to their family in a
Protestant sense, you see, with God being first.
I remember even the person on the street, they wouldn't all be Adventists,
but they had a consensus when I was a boy about what was right and what was wrong.
Well, absolutely.
Certain things were right and certain things were wrong.
I go back to my hometown now and there's all kinds of people living together
without being married, with kids from who knows who, and the whole moral fabric has
broken down.
Totally.
So, this can all be documented, what has happened with our educational
system.
So, the rewriting of the history books, here on page 61, is discussed.
The Rockefellers not only used their money to seize control of America's centers of
teacher training, they also spent millions of dollars on rewriting history books and
creating textbooks that undermine patriotism and free enterprise.
One church member just showed me the American history book of her child in
public school and the reason for the pilgrims coming to America was to get away
from the high taxes of England.
Amazing.
That was the reason.
Totally, this thing of religious freedom was cut out.
And in our American history books now, the reason that the pilgrims came to
America was to get away from the heavy taxation of England.
Isn't that amazing?
He says here on page 61 that the establishments, and when he says
establishment, he means the Council on Foreign Relations, what is called the
Eastern Establishment, the CFR, the TC, these Masonic influences that
we've been talking about.
Today, its lock on public education is nearly complete.
This fact is evidenced in the number of teacher college heads who belong to the
Council on Foreign Relations, including, and he lists a whole slug of our top
universities in our nation, from Notre Dame to New York University, Cornell,
University of Chicago, Johns Hopkins, Brown University, on and on.
And then he discusses America's role.
He says he was so shocked, he was outraged, when he learned about the
establishment's lock on the political system.
He said a few years ago he had never even heard of the Council on Foreign Relations
or the Trilateral Commission.
He says, after finding out about the establishment's control of mass
communication, I was even more appalled, but now at least I understood why I hadn't
learned about the conspiracy anymore.
See, if you control the media, you know, then who can find out about all
of these things?
The Rockefellers controlled every facet of the information industry, from television
to public education.
Therefore, unless a person comes across one of the citizens' groups trying to
expose the conspiracy, or stumbles onto some aspect of it, as I did, there is no
way to find out about it.
Reflecting on this matter, he says, where does America fit into the plans of
the hierarchy?
What role has it been destined to play?
Reflecting on this matter, I am convinced that America's purpose in the overall plan
was to lay the necessary groundwork for the world government.
Then, having accomplished this mission to lead humanity to the threshold,
if not actually into the new world order, only America, with its record of integrity
and leadership as the hero of World Wars I and II, and as the world's policeman in
the area of human rights, could accomplish such a feat.
President Bush made this point clear in his State of the Union address on January
29, 1991.
Here are excerpts from his speech.
For two centuries, America has served the world as an inspiring example of freedom
and democracy.
For generations, America has led the struggle to preserve and extend the
blessings of liberty.
And today, in a rapidly changing world, American leadership is indispensable.
Americans know that leadership brings burdens and sacrifices.
But we also know why the hopes of humanity turn to us.
We are Americans.
We have a unique responsibility to do the hard work of freedom.
We can find meaning and reward by serving some higher purpose than ourselves,
a shining purpose, the illumination of a thousand points of light.
What is at stake is more than one small country.
It is a big idea, a new world order, where diverse nations are drawn together
in common cause to achieve the universal aspirations of mankind.
And then he told of how the world stands now as one.
For the first time since World War II, the international community is united.
The leadership of the United Nations, once only a hope for ideal, is now
confirming its founder's vision.
And we need to seize this opportunity.
The winds of change are with us now.
The forces of freedom are together and united.
So a new world order, all in the name of freedom and democracy.
Tell me something, Bob.
Where should Seventh-day Adventists stand as far as the upcoming presidential
election, realizing that George Bush is the one who is instrumental in promoting
this new world order?
I hate to put you on the spot like this, and I know that we're not to get into
politics advocating any one candidate.
But where does this leave us as Seventh-day Adventists realizing that our
president, and the one who is running for re-election, is the one who is foremost in
putting this one world government, this new world order into place?
Well, I'm not going to get into politics, John.
But I will say this, from a religious liberty perspective.
You have this man that you're talking about, Bush, pushing for a new world
order.
But look at the rest of the slate.
Look at Pat Buchanan.
He's a Jesuit!
Yes.
And look at Jerry Brown on the Democratic ticket.
He's a Jesuit.
Jesuit-trained, at least.
And then you've got people like David Duke, who's a neo-Nazi.
What are we coming to as a nation?
As one media person said, that what we're dealing with in this election is the evil
of two lessers.
Instead of the lesser of two evils.
And, you know, that's what we're dealing with.
You know, who is the least evil?
And it's sad to see the condition that we are in, but to realize that what we are
seeing now, what we see George Bush doing, is what we have known as Seventh-day
Adventists.
It's going to happen for hundreds of years now.
You know, we've been told, not only by our prophet, Alan White, but we can also see
it, the proper interpretation of Revelation 13, that this nation is one day
going to speak as a dragon.
And then she told us here, in the latter days, that America would be the foremost.
And as we knew was going to happen, and now we see how it's going to happen.
How America is going to do this.
I wish I had time to get into everything here, but I'm just hitting the high
points.
But notice now the role of the Gulf War.
One world government could not be accomplished through a perceived
dictatorship.
In order to be accepted, the new world order would have to ride in on the back of
what appeared to be a trusted democracy.
America filled this description, being viewed as the world's greatest
bastion of freedom, the last great hope of mankind.
Furthermore, America is the world's largest cosmopolitan nation.
Virtually everyone in the world has at least one relative or friend living in the
United States.
So this goes a long way in alleviating distrust and building a favorable image
for the new world order.
The Gulf War, I believe, was only the latest tactic used by insiders to
accomplish their goal.
And as you just listened to Bush, as we were heading into war there,
it was quite clear that the main objective was not destroying Saddam Hussein.
The main objective was to build a new world order, to use this war as a tool,
as an instrument to accomplish a larger purpose of establishing a new world order.
And he said the war would accomplish several purposes.
It would hike up oil prices, generating billions of dollars for additional revenue
for the establishment's oil companies.
It would unite the nations of the world against a common enemy, which was
necessary to take humanity the final step into a one-world system.
And Hussein played the role of the perfect villain who all decent people like to
hate, like Hitler.
The war would also establish America as the undisputed leader of the world and the
enforcer of the new world order.
And see how that fits in with Revelation 13, showing other countries what they
would encounter if they opposed the emerging world system.
Do we ever see that?
It would make true patriots who oppose the concept of a new world order appear to be
unpatriotic, while making globalists who supported the UN appear as patriots,
essentially turning the tables upside down.
And then he comes to the New Age movement.
And here he discusses the New Age mysticism and the role of New Age in
conditioning the people for this new world order.
So even this man realizes the tie-in between the Jesuits and down through the
history how they have tried to get into the governments and how it ties into the
New Age that we are having today and it's just a continuation of this Jesuit agenda
to get control of the world?
He's saying basically the same thing we've been saying about New Age, John.
He talks about the New Age mysticism, the pantheism of it, and how most
pantheists automatically support...
Oh, yes.
He says the religion of the New Age, simply put, is pantheism.
Because that's what our prophet told us would be the omega of apostasy.
That's right.
He says it's a belief that God is a sum total of all that exists.
According to pantheists, there's no personal God.
Instead, their concept of God consists of what they refer to as a God force or life
force.
And this energy or God force flows through all living things, plants, animals,
and human beings.
Now, Bob, when I made my first celebration video, I knew... I didn't know how.
I didn't know how.
But I knew that somehow celebration tied in to the omega of apostasy foretold by
our prophet for the last days.
And am I ever beginning to see now a bigger picture?
You know, I knew that was from the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit was revealing
that to me.
I didn't know exactly how, but I just knew it was a part of the omega apostasy.
Now we have made the tie-in of how celebration was part of the major Jesuit
agenda.
And now how that this is also what is involved in New Age and in pantheism
coming right out.
That is what the omega... the alpha was.
And she said that the omega would be of a much more stalling nature.
And that this pantheism is the omega of apostasy, which is the Jesuit celebration.
New Age, one world government, new world order coming into our government
and now into our church.
Celebration is a big New Age term incidentally.
Matthew Fox in his book The Coming of the Cosmic Christ has the celebration motif
all the way through it.
So now the Lord is revealing how even more that this celebration is leading into this
omega of apostasy.
And think of during the time of Elijah, John.
You have often referred to that.
In the time of Elijah you had the bales that were in the trees that were in this
object of nature or that object of nature.
And Elijah had to denounce that.
Yes.
And it is coming around amazingly so precisely at the end of time.
This is the Elijah message.
You see what we are... I wonder if our people realize that what they are hearing
on these videos is the Elijah message.
I wonder if our dear people realize that.
You see that is what the Elijah message is.
It is calling God's people back from apostasy and identifying apostasy.
That is what Elijah did on Mount Carmel.
Right.
Now since this God force in the New Age thinking flows through all of us,
they rationalize we must therefore be gods or at least part of God.
Because of this belief most pantheists will automatically support the concept of
a one world government since global unity is essential to the proper flow of the God
force.
Now you know that we are seeing all this ecology business tied in with New Age.
Oh yes.
Greenpeace.
Yes.
Humanity will then presumably take a quantum leap to a higher level of
existence.
And the result will be that all humans will suddenly receive mystical powers to
do what they could never do before.
That is why we are seeing this mysticism that Bill Lovelace is bringing in and that
the spiritual exercises is bringing into our system.
So even what we see people running for public office now using the conservation
as a theme for their presidential candidacy.
Like Gary Brown.
Yeah.
And also Tongass is the same way.
He is the environmental president, the presidential candidate, the
environmental candidate.
And all of these guys are running on this platform of taking care of the environment
and global warming and all that.
You mean that plays right into this?
Oh yes.
That is all part of it.
Fundamental to it.
And you see they believe that a new age of enlightenment, a new world order will be
born.
Pierre Teilhard de Chardin was big on this.
He said when we get as a human race to this unified consciousness, then the
cosmic Christ, the Omega Christ, will appear.
And you see that is what Matthew Fox, the Dominican scholar, has been writing
about.
The coming of the cosmic Christ.
There has to be radical liturgical change and celebration in liturgy and deep
mysticism to bring this about.
And we brought out last time about how even our leaders have been involved in
attending his seminars.
And he cited this as one of the major developments along the line toward the
religions getting involved in deep mysticism, which brings them together in
deep ecumenism, you see.
So ecumenism is all part of this too, you see.
That is why the Royal Council of Churches is very much into these native religions
and the Hinduism and all of this.
The Jesuit Order is very much into this, you see.
Oh, it is all fitting together, Bob.
Pantheism also teaches that we will never die, therefore we must face no personal
judgment by God.
This is like what Ellen White describes.
You know, incidentally, Ellen White has chapter after chapter about spiritualism
in here, where she is describing the same thing.
And relativism is spiritualism too, because it basically teaches that whatever
is is right and God does not condemn.
What is right for you is okay, I am okay, you are okay, we are all okay.
Do you see why our denominational leadership is not promoting the Great
Controversy?
And they are trying to stop the independent ministries and crush the
efforts of the independent ministries to promote the Great Controversy?
Because the Great Controversy strikes at the heart of everything our denominational
leadership is doing.
Yeah.
We just keep coming back in different forms of life in the New Age.
An acceptable concept to Pantheists, since they believe we are all one with
nature.
And he discusses Pantheism for some paragraphs here.
And then he gets into this word mystic or mysticism.
Now this is what Bill Loveless is promoting in our ranks.
Of course.
And the message that apparently is being taken to the seminary students.
He said, one of the misconceptions that has thrown people off track and prevented
them from making the connection between Pantheism and the occult is a
misunderstanding of the word mystic or mysticism, at least in its modern usage.
New Agers, I found, use the terms mysticism and occultism interchangeably.
In fact, the most popular dictionary among New Agers is Neville Drury's Dictionary of
Mysticism and the Occult.
Time and time again in my research, I found these words being used together or
synonymously.
And so he finally looked up in Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary to see what the
word mystic meant.
One of the definitions is, of or relating to mysteries or esoteric rites,
the occult.
And that's how that all ties in with the Masons.
Now, mysticism, as it turns out, is simply a kinder, gentler way of saying
occultism.
And what has thrown people even further off track is the term New Age,
which is even more pleasant sounding but has come to be synonymous with mysticism
and the occult.
In modern language, being a New Ager, a mystic, or occultist, all means the same
thing.
Bill Loveless called Ellen White Adventist's greatest mystic.
That's right.
And then another dimension of this occultism is the altered state of
consciousness thing.
Now, that's that neuro-linguistic programming from a psychological
standpoint.
Also, that's why we have so much of the drug use.
Now, Hitler was deeply into the occult.
He was into drugs.
And Alice Bailey, who is the high priestess of the New Age movement,
who received the intermediate teaching for New Age, and incidentally, this New Age we
covered in the September issue of Freedom's Ring, the whole plan of New Age
to usher in the coming cosmic Christ.
And we may want to look at that shortly.
But her husband wrote a book in which he said that this attempt to found a new
world order was attempted by a disciple on the banks of the Rhine, and that was
Hitler.
He was trying to bring in a new world order.
And it's interesting that Constance Cumbie... let me get another book here,
John.
Yeah, I'm familiar with Constance Cumbie.
She talks with me on the phone from time to time.
In fact, it was Constance Cumbie that gave us that article for Mother Jones Magazine,
last video that Terry Ross covered about the founder of NLP, Richard Bandler.
Anyway, she has page after page here in her chapter, The New Age Movement,
The Fourth Reich, where she shows the parallels between Nazism, the philosophy
of Nazism, and the New Age Movement.
It's absolutely shocking.
And when you begin to tie all this together, you see how Nazism, the Vatican,
which we discussed earlier, the Masons, and their tie-in with the CFR and the TC,
and the New Age all fit together.
There will be one great collaboration, Ellen White says, one great bond of union.
Bob, answer a question for me.
I'm a little worried.
I've been preaching Daniel 2 all these years in my evangelistic series.
Is there going to be a unification of the nations?
I've been preaching that there never will be, you know, Daniel 2 and verse 43,
they shall not cleave one to another.
Is there going to be a short period of time when they will come together?
Because if that is the case, then I'm going to have egg all over my face,
and so are many other hundreds and thousands of television, pardon me,
of Seventh-day Adventist evangelists that have been preaching Daniel 2, they shall
not cleave Daniel 2, 43 all these years.
Well, I think Revelation 17 in verses 13 and 14.
Well, let's look at verse 12.
And the ten horns which thou saw'st are ten kings, which have received no kingdom
as yet, but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
Now, a lot of people have pondered over that.
Is that talking about the ten horns, you know, which we've studied about in
Daniel 7?
Or what is this?
But it says that they have not received a kingdom as yet, but they will receive
power as kings one hour with the beast.
It does at least raise the question, in my mind, whether this world government
with the ten regions, economic regions, that will give their power to this new
world government may be what's being spoken about here.
These have one mind and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
So there will be, Ellen White says, a brief period of time where there will be
a universal bond of union.
We will see this globalism actually come to fruition.
We will see the papacy sitting astride the world, using the United States to enforce
the Sunday Law around the world.
We will see attempted uniformity, and we will see this vast brotherhood,
this vast great harmony, a confederacy of Satan's forces.
And only historic Adventists, biblical Adventists, will stand up against this.
Amen.
So we've got one hour that they will worship together with the beast,
that they will reign together, or rule together with the beast.
Is that what it says?
Rule or reign?
Which does it say?
They will receive power as kings.
As kings.
Okay.
One hour with the beast.
Okay, so if a day in Bible prophecy equals a literal year, then an hour, there are 24
hours in a day.
There are 12 months.
Half of a month would be two weeks.
So that means that this will be a two-week period.
For two weeks, that's a 24th of one year, 24 hours in a day.
Unless this is just a metaphor for a short period of time.
Sometimes in the Bible...
Well, I think these things can be pretty literal.
I take that as two weeks that these kings are going to rule together with the
papacy.
So there is going to be for a short two-week period of time when they are
going to have this new world order and it's going to kind of gel for a two-week
period of time that they will be able to rule.
One hour, whatever that means.
If you take it literally as a two-week period.
I think it's two weeks, Mom.
Or if you take it as...
I'm pretty...
For instance...
When it comes to this thing of prophecy, I'm pretty literal, brother.
In chapter 18, Babylon falls in what?
How much time?
One day?
Okay.
One day.
And, you know, you could say...
That's a year.
I suppose a year.
But...
Ezekiel 4, 6, Numbers 14, 34.
Sometimes these terms are used...
I think it's pretty clear.
Sometimes these terms are used meaning a brief span of time.
Okay.
So I'm not quite as dogmatic on it as you are.
Okay.
I am.
Okay.
I'll let you have your interpretation.
And I'm not saying it's necessarily wrong because it may well be right.
But Gary Caugh here tells about the most addictive and dangerous aspect of
occultism, which is inducing or entering into an altered state of consciousness.
Now, we just mentioned how NLP is involved in that, an altering of the other person's
consciousness.
And I have here the book Transformations, which...
Right.
Out of Neurolinguistic Programming.
Right.
Neurolinguistic Programming.
Written by Richard Bandler and John Grinder.
And the structure of hypnosis.
The altered states are very fundamental to that whole book, the attempt to induce an
altered state and then inject new learning.
Well, that's why Neurolinguistic Programming has to come...
why our leadership has to bring that into our church, because that's all part of the
Jesuit agenda.
Right.
It's part of the whole overall agenda of the Masons and the entire picture.
And, of course, they're all working together.
I found that achieving altered states is one of the chief unifying factors among
New Agers.
And then he discusses a little bit about how God created us with a type of
protective dome to shield us from the realm of the occult.
But if we choose to disobey God and His warnings, it's possible to break through
this invisible shield, to tap directly into the occult, and to communicate with
the powers of darkness, demons.
Now, this is what the New Age is involved with.
This can be achieved in many ways using a variety of concentration and meditation
techniques.
You know, it was interesting to me, John, when I was reading the lessons on
contemplative prayer by Bill Lovelace, that he handed out.
In the middle of the lessons were various techniques listed, and one of them was
mantras, which is when you induce an altered state by repeating the same word
over and over again.
But I found out there's more to it than even verbal mantras that are being used
now.
A friend of mine, a good friend of mine, called me up from hundreds of miles away,
and he said, in our church school, Seventh-day Adventist church school,
they're making all the children lie down flat on their backs on the floor,
and the adults are going around and rhythmically pressing their biceps muscle.
And I was a little bit intrigued by that, wondering how that tied in with the whole
picture.
And I was discussing it with a physician friend of mine in another state,
and he said, oh, that's what's called a physical mantra.
You see?
To induce hypnosis in a state of submission and subordination, using
physical squeezing repetitiously.
I do not believe that those Seventh-day Adventist school teachers, doing that,
realized what they were doing.
They had just been trained that way.
They'd been told that in some teacher seminar.
They had gone to one of our workers' retreats, and had been taught that by some
guy like Bill Loveless.
You know, they don't realize how they're playing a part in all this, what all this
is that they're doing.
And these people are doing it innocently, but they're doing it nonetheless.
Because they're being trained by these men like Bill Loveless.
Now, you know, Bill Loveless, just between you and me, you think he's ignorant of
what he's doing, or do you think he is aware?
I think he's aware.
You think he is aware.
I thought he was perhaps ignorant the first time I encountered his tape.
But since then, when I see that he's recommending the spiritual exercises of
the Jesuits, he's recommending William Johnston, a Jesuit in Sophia University,
he's recommending St. John of the Cross, one of the greatest Spanish mystics of the
Roman Catholic Church, and St. Teresa, he knows what he's doing.
He's got to know what he's doing.
Yes, so Bill Loveless knows what he's doing.
I think he knows full well what he's doing.
Absolutely.
Into yoga and all of this TM and all of this stuff.
I'm quite confident he knows very well what he's doing at this point.
Then he discusses other New Age devices, such as the use of hypnosis to travel back
into their past lives, past life regression.
And we've heard a bit of that lately.
Distinct visions about future events, direct interaction with spirit beings,
usually referred to as spirit guides or simply guides.
Now here I have Martin Kelsey's Companions on the Inner Way.
And he says in the back here that over 40 years ago, writes Father Kelsey,
I began my own attempt to be open to God and allow the Holy One to take part in my
life.
Over 30 years ago I came in touch with some guides on this journey and found some
ways of opening myself to God's incredible love.
Notice the terminology they use.
They use incredible love.
And he's the one that we mentioned in Jesuit Agenda 1, who refers to the
spiritual exercises in a couple of places in this book.
And he's really into journaling.
Which is what Bill Loveless told the pastors to do at the end of that little
thing that he took them on, those spiritual exercises, told them to journal
it.
And I'm hearing that from all over the place now, how that our pastors and our
workers are being taught how to do this and to journal.
It seems like all of a sudden that's just popped on the horizon.
Everybody's talking about journaling.
It's just part of the Jesuit Agenda.
Yes, and Ignatius Loyola did it, and he recommended it in the spiritual
exercises.
He has a whole chapter in here on the personal journal.
And I think it's very interesting about how they will record all of these
experiences.
For instance, he's discussing here what is a journal for.
The first use of the diary or personal log is to record things so that we do not
forget them.
In order to keep track of money and property, of ideas, events, and
relationships.
How fallible our memories are.
Events we thought would never grow dim can fade, get garbled, and be lost.
Several years ago I had an amazing series of dreams.
In one of them I found myself pierced with a beam of light that revealed the darkest
and deepest hidden uglinesses within me.
Then suddenly the light became an ordinary human being who reached down and lifted me
from where I was kneeling in the light.
I wrote the whole experience out.
I thought that I could remember all the details, but when I went back two years
later I discovered I had totally forgotten some of the most significant details.
And had avoided some of the obvious implications of the experience.
I'm coming to the conclusion, John, that this journaling provides the person
who is involved with the spiritual exercises and these occult experiences.
Ignatius Loyola was involved with them.
He saw bright light that he thought was Christ.
He considered to be Christ.
He saw apparitions, visions appeared to him.
And these altered states and trances that these people go into with the repetition
and the spiritual exercises opens the person up to what we're talking about
here.
Don't you recognize this?
This goes right along with the white light that we read about on becoming a master
student in the course that's being taught in so many, if not all, of our colleges.
It's preparing our students.
You see, it's coming in from every facet in the educational system and in every way
preparing our people for this experience.
It's coming to the place, John, where the only way we'll survive is with a
revival of primitive godliness.
I fear for our people, Bob.
I fear for our people.
Here's another reason here that he gives.
This is the ninth reason.
I've skipped over a lot of them.
There is another quite different reason for journal keeping, to deepen my
relationship with that center of spiritual reality of which all the great religions
of humankind speak.
And so there is this attempt to almost develop a body of tradition in one's own
personal experience, which becomes virtually your Bible.
And you use the Bible to facilitate in the spiritual exercises your experience in
making these kind of contacts.
And of course, this is what I have heard from Pentecostalism.
You know, Pentecostalism ties into all this.
Pentecostalism and Catholicism.
We studied this in the last Jesuit Agenda.
And how that this is what the Pentecostals have been saying for years, is that you
just rely upon the Spirit.
And you don't really need the Bible and the Word if you just are in tune with the
Spirit.
It will lead you into all truth.
Just plug in to the Spirit.
Put those hands and sing it again.
I'm a scribe.
God is about to hit this place in a mighty way.
Thank you for these nuns.
Thank you for giving me nuns to teach me as a child.
Thank you.
Thank you for the anointing.
I'm taking my shoes off.
I'm standing on holy ground.
You know what I like to do sometimes?
You may think I'm silly, but I like to do it.
I like to throw Jesus kisses every so often.
Does anybody ever do that?
Oh, the nuns do it.
See, now I know.
Oh, now I know why the nuns brought me up, because they love the Lord so much.
I want you all to look up and go just like this.
Say, Jesus, I love you.
Come on, do it.
Jesus, I love you.
And give Him a big hand clap for all this.
Power of the Holy Ghost.
Beautiful children, Lord.
Give her beautiful children.
Give her beautiful boys.
The Lord just said, two boys.
What did He say?
Joshua and Jeremy.
She's laughing down here.
She said, Joshua and Jeremy.
Look at her laugh.
Let the choir experience that, Lord.
Let the choir experience that, Lord, in Jesus' name.
Are you ready?
Are you really ready?
Take it in Jesus' name.
I think you ought to give the Lord a big, big hand clap, don't you think?
This
man is having a glorious experience.
You too, guys.
And of course, this is what I have heard from Pentecostalism.
You know, Pentecostalism ties into all this.
Pentecostalism and Catholicism, we studied this in the last Jesuit Agenda.
And how that this is what the Pentecostals have been saying for years.
Is that you just rely upon the Spirit.
And you don't really need the Bible and the Word if you just are in tune with the
Spirit.
It will lead you into all truth.
Just plug into the Spirit, and that's what will lead you into truth.
And let it decide.
And that's all part of this rationalism.
You know, just letting your own mind, what is wrong and right in your own mind,
determine where you go and what you do in life.
Just be plugged into the Spirit.
And in the spiritual exercises, there is this discerning of spirits,
is a big thing.
The discerning of...
Oh, it talks about spiritual gifts.
Whether it's a, oh yes, good and evil spirits.
Incidentally, while we're on this, because this is a dimension of the New
Age, the revival of the spiritual exercises.
Out of this, choosing Christ in the world, directing the spiritual exercises of St.
Ignatius Loyola, according to annotations 18 and 19.
I should mention what annotations 18 and 19 are, because that's significant too.
Here I have the spiritual exercises of St. Ignatius, a literal translation,
and a contemporary reading by David L.
Fleming, S.J., who is a Jesuit.
I'll read the 18th and 19th annotation, or parts of them here.
This is on page 14.
The 18th annotation.
The 18th.
So,
the 18th annotation calls for the adaptation of the spiritual exercises to
the person that you are giving them to.
Again, that each should be given to... that should be given to each one by which,
according to his wish to dispose himself, he may be better able to help himself and
to profit.
So to him who wants help to be instructed and to come to certain degree of
contentment of soul, can be given the particular examen, then the general
examen, also for a half hour in the morning, the method of prayer on the
commandments, the deadly sins.
You notice how there's a method of prayer on the... on the Lord's Prayer that has
come into our church through the Oregon Conference.
And how that in Dave Snyder's book, and then it was also brought over into
Trinity Power Circle from 2020, then into Trinity Power Circle,
the importance of prayer and how just spending this time in prayer.
And it's all right of this... out of this thing that you're reading about.
Nobody is saying that prayer is not important, but it's how it's promoted in
these books and how it lends itself to write what we're reading out of this
Jesuit thinking.
Well, the Hindus pray, you know, all the religions of the world pray.
But the prayer, of course, has to be combined with following the truth.
Obedience.
Accepting the truth.
Obedience.
To the truth.
That's right.
Nothing is said about obedience and following... everything is talking about
the length of time spent in prayer.
Yes, that's a big thing in the charismatic movement also.
Now, in this book of the director's notes for choosing Christ in the world,
for conducting the exercises, on page 182 of Choosing Christ in the World,
Directing the Spiritual Exercises, the author tells of what has happened
recently in the spiritual exercises, in the teaching of the spiritual
exercises.
He says, the therapeutic model is very recent.
It grew out of Rogerian and other client-centered processes, current during
the 1950s and 1960s, when most of us began taking spiritual direction seriously,
and when the company of Jesus, that's the Jesuits, in the United States,
began once again practicing the exercises one-on-one.
The therapeutic model of spiritual direction focuses tightly on the interior
experience of the person, asking constantly what the person feels and
wants, and how the person feels called forth by the church's life.
For instance, the director working in this model would not know how to interpret an
individual's experience of consolation, except according to that person's
individual's history or personality.
Then he tells about the other model of teaching the spiritual exercises,
which is the apostolic model of spiritual direction, the Ignatian.
It grew out of Inigo's friendships and conversations during the 1520s,
when the exercises took their shape.
This is very interesting here, because it says that the model,
that is, the apostolic model, asks not only what the person's gifts are,
but also what concrete project those gifts are given for, and for whom other than the
person in direction.
The director who follows the apostolic model tends to trust the structure of the
spiritual exercises at least as much as his or her own adaptations.
I've often wondered why every once in a while there seems to be a great drive for
everyone to discover their spiritual gifts.
Instead of just focusing on giving the message of the church, and thankfully
receiving the gifts God gives and proclaiming the message, there are these
tests that are given and discerning the spiritual gifts and how they can fit into
the church program.
And I thought this was rather enlightening here, about the use of spiritual gifts in
the spiritual exercises.
You keep referring to this book.
I think you're about halfway through it.
Give us the title once again.
Okay.
En Route to Global Occupation.
And who is the man's name that wrote it?
Gary Caugh.
K-A-H.
I can't believe this man's insight!
Yeah.
He sounds like a Seventh-day Adventist.
Where did he learn all this?
Just the last few years researching.
He didn't even know any of it a few years ago.
Man, what's keeping this man from getting knocked off?
I think he's using a pseudonym, possibly.
Well, smartly so.
You know, when you realize, Bob, the people who have been killed for
revealing the things that this man is revealing, and revealing the things that
we are revealing, if we didn't have absolute faith in God, I mean,
there would be no purpose in us doing this.
And then to hear people say that somehow you and I are in this for the money,
or that we're, you know, this is so comical.
I mean, here we are, laying our life on the line, just as this man is,
in exposing this stuff, and somehow there is some ulterior motive that we have in
doing this.
There's some ulterior motive that we would have in not doing it, and that's staying
alive.
Here he says, on page 71, Going into an altered state is extremely dangerous.
In fact, there are New Age books available about techniques that will supposedly
protect against having bad experiences.
The next page, page 72, he discusses deep hypnosis, and what happens under deep
hypnosis.
He tells about how a few years ago, an expert on hypnosis was invited to my
niece's high school to demonstrate the art that is of hypnosis.
He asked for volunteers to come up to the platform, after which he succeeded at
placing several of these students into trances.
Two years later, when he came back to the same school, he demonstrated that his
power was still in effect over those who had been hypnotized.
He simply spoke a trigger word, and the sound of his voice allegedly put
the previously hypnotized students back into a trance.
This spooked a number of the students, as well it should.
Now that's what's called anchoring.
In NLP, sure.
They will touch a person in a certain place on their arm, or say a certain word,
and then when they see the person again, they'll use the trigger anchor word to
bring the person back into the altered state.
It's hypnosis, pure and simple.
Now notice how he wrestles with this issue, or discusses this issue about the
benevolent, quote-unquote, use of hypnosis.
While this particular hypnotist appears to have been benevolent up to this point,
his practices are nevertheless cultish and should be avoided.
There is no such thing as good occultism, or good white magic.
Both are of Satan.
What appears to be good in the realm of the occult only appears that way until the
moment that Satan decides to use it for his evil intentions.
No one should allow themselves to be fooled into thinking that they can use or
manipulate occult powers to harmlessly accomplish good, positive changes.
If they do...
Ah, go on.
That's what's behind this whole listening skill, isn't it?
Because the idea is to take the NLP techniques and use them for a good purpose
in church growth.
Yes, we're going to use them for church growth and for evangelism.
Listen, you can finish this thought if you want, but before you get away from this,
I want you to tell us about how you handled a Seventh-day Adventist
NLP-trained pastor that came to see your mother or your father in the hospital,
and how our people should deal with these NLP pastors that they have.
If they do... if they think they can use hypnosis for good, it is they who are
being manipulated, not the spirit world.
That's very interesting.
Well, John, you wanted me to tell that experience.
I would like first to talk about Pavlov for just a second to show the impact of
it.
You're talking about Pavlov's dog that we studied about in school, about the dinging
of the bell and eating, and then finally just dinged the bell and then he just
salivated without even having to see or smell the food.
That's called programming, isn't it?
Yeah, that's called programming in NLP.
Now, here is Pavlov's, I.P.
Pavlov's, conditioned reflexes.
He's the great Russian scientist who spent 25 years studying dogs and doing
experiments on dogs.
And what interested me in getting this book was a video that Jim Arabito put out
where he told of how Pavlov had found by running two different beats together he
could blow a dog's brain, he could destroy the dog's brain.
Here he discusses tactile stimulation and running those together.
The running of the two touchings of the dogs at different rates together created a
pathological disturbance of the cortical activities in the dog.
At first, for a few days, all positive conditioned reflexes disappeared
completely.
So it disrupted the past pattern of the dog to respond reflexively in a normal
behavior to things that he had been trained to do before.
And then he found that the overall disturbance to the cerebral cortex of this
dog by just touching him with a tactile stimulation at the rate of 24 per minute
as a positive stimulus and a stimulation at the rate of 12 per minute as a negative
one when he allowed the positive rate of the tactile stimulation to follow the
inhibitory rate without any interval of time, it disrupted the dog's cerebral
cortex for five and a half weeks.
Weeks?
Yes.
Not five and a half minutes or five and a half days, but five and a half weeks.
Is this the same thing that young people get in rock music?
Two different beats?
Yes, absolutely.
Two different melodies?
He used the metronome, he used tactile stimulation, he used lights, he used
buzzers, all as different types of stimulation.
In another experiment, right over the dog's dish when he came to eat,
he projected a circle of light.
And then as the days went on, he warped that circle until it came down more and
more into a tighter and tighter ellipse.
And finally the dog went crazy just from that stimulation.
Now, look at what happens with rock music.
You run the auditory beat together, you have the power of suggestion from the
voice, which Pavlov says is more powerful than anything he could do on the dog.
The human speech is more powerful.
And you have the lights flashing also, you have all of this stimuli which is
calculated to disrupt the cerebral cortex far beyond anything that Pavlov could do
with his dogs.
And it's all brought together in a convergence at a high pitch of intensity.
Well, this is the religious rock group that the ordained Seventh-day Adventist
youth pastor took all the church young people to for a Seventh-day Adventist
church outing.
Sounds like a celebration church service to me, Bob.
That's right.
Forget the rock concert, that sounds like a celebration church.
Don't you see that this all ties together?
This has to be brought into the church to control the people.
Everything is for one purpose, and that is to control the mind.
Notice how powerfully this controls the mind, John.
Here on page 407 of Pavlov, he says, Among the various aspects of the hypnotic
state in man... Incidentally, after all these studies, when he's boiling it down
and discussing the applications to man, he spends a major part of the last chapter
discussing hypnosis and what he learned about hypnosis in man from his experiments
on the dogs.
Among the various aspects of the hypnotic state in man, attention may be drawn to
suggestion, so-called, and its physiological interpretation.
So here he's going to look now at suggestion and the physiological impact of
suggestion upon a subject.
Obviously for man, speech provides conditioned stimuli which are just as real
as any other stimuli.
At the same time, speech provides stimuli which exceed in richness and
many-sidedness any of the others.
So speech is the most powerful agency for suggestion and stimulus that there is,
that he knew of, allowing comparison neither qualitatively nor quantitatively
with any conditioned stimuli which are possible in animals.
Speech, on account of the whole preceding life of the adult, is connected up with
all the internal and external stimuli which can reach the cortex, signaling all
of them and replacing all of them, and therefore can call forth all those
reactions of the organism which are normally determined by the actual stimuli
themselves.
In other words, using speech, you can condition a person to stimuli that is not
actually provided by the connection that your speech makes with past experiences of
those stimuli in your mind.
Well, let me ask a question.
If all these different things that you're telling us about have the one purpose of
programming people to respond in a certain way, could it be that it also programs
people not to respond?
That's what they've been programmed to do, is not to respond.
Because I can't help but think of the passage where Isaiah, and also Ellen
White, speaks of that in the last days about dumb dogs that won't bark.
Not to respond to the Lord, but to respond to other stimuli.
Exactly, not to respond to the Lord.
And one of the ways that they have been programmed to respond is that they don't
respond.
Yes, don't respond to the Lord.
Yeah.
Right.
We can therefore regard suggestion as the most simple form of a typical conditioned
reflex in man.
The command of the hypnotist, in correspondence with the general law,
concentrates the excitation in the cortex of the subject, which is in a condition of
partial inhibition, in some definite narrow region, at the same time
intensifying by negative induction the inhibition in the rest of the cortex,
and so abolishing all competing effects of contemporary stimuli and of traces left by
previously received ones.
So notice, when a person is under hypnosis, everything is focused on what is
happening to him under the hypnotic state.
And everything else is inhibited, even his past experience.
This accounts for the large and practically insurmountable influence of
suggestion as a stimulus during hypnosis, as well as shortly after it.
The command retains its effect after the termination of hypnosis, remaining
independent of other stimuli, being impermeable to them.
In other words, other stimuli can't disrupt the hypnotic command that was
given under hypnosis.
Since at the time of primary introduction of the stimulus into the cortex,
it was prevented from establishing any connection with the rest of the cortex.
So the command that comes from the hypnotist, and NLP discusses this,
injecting new learning, is isolated from connections with other parts of the brain,
so it's impermeable, and it remains fixed and isolated in its own integrity in the
person's brain.
I mean, that is absolutely scary.
It's just frightening.
The great number of stimuli which speech can replace explains the fact that we can
suggest to a hypnotized subject so many different activities, and influence and
direct the activities of his brain.
There's page after page that I wish we could get into here, but I wanted to
discuss what happens to the motor analyzer, what happens in the cerebral
cortex itself.
He says here, one of the first expressions of hypnosis in man is the loss of
so-called voluntary movements and the development of a cataleptic state,
that is, maintenance by different parts of the body of the position given to them by
external forces.
This may best be regarded as an isolated inhibition of the motor analyzer,
which is not descended to the subcortical motor centers.
Other areas of the cortex may continue to function quite normally.
When I read this, I thought immediately of what I had read in the NLP books about
what the impact of NLP is.
It's to switch off in the other person's brain his control over his brain,
motor analyzer.
And so you switch off that control and then the person who's doing the hypnosis,
NLP hypnosis, can control the other person's brain without interference from
the other person.
That's exactly what we see happening in our people.
It inhibits the motor analyzer.
How did you, Bob, I'm going to ask you again, how did you handle that situation
with your mother and father?
One more thing before I get to that.
Okay, I don't want to forget it because our people need to know how to handle this
stuff.
In other states of hypnosis, the entire cerebral cortex will be inhibited.
So this corresponds in NLP to what is called the suspension of the belief
system.
So you don't have to argue with the other person's belief system in doing NLP
hypnosis.
Do you believe I went too far in my NLP video when I told our Adventist people
that if their pastor had been trained in this, what's it called, Caring Church 1
and 2?
Listening skills.
Where they teach NLP.
Caring Ministries.
Okay, what's it called?
Calling and Caring Ministries.
Calling and Caring Ministries, anyway, and any type of NLP techniques.
And if their pastor was not willing to repent and forsake it, that they were not
to walk but to run from that church.
And if there was not another church in the area, to start a home church.
Do you agree with my counsel, Bob?
Absolutely.
This is absolutely diabolical.
After I read this, I turned to my wife and I said, anyone who understands the
physiology of what happens in the brain with the type of techniques we're looking
at with NLP and with hypnosis, would not want to have one thing to do
with a person who is attempting to influence them that way.
Well, you wanted to know about my dad.
Let me just give you one instance.
There is a person, several people right here, that come to this ministry and come
to the Rolling Hills Church from time to time, who go over to the Mount Dora
Church, which is four miles down the road.
And the associate pastor just came out of his Calling and Caring seminar.
He was trained in NLP.
And for the life of me, I can't think... and after seeing our videos, they still...
and there are, you know, the churches in Orlando with NLP trained pastors.
And people across the nation that we know are continuing to go to church when they
know that their pastor has been trained in this stuff.
And they say, well, I'm just real careful and I just don't pay any attention to it.
And I'm just going to make sure that he doesn't use any of those techniques on me.
Is this safe, Bob?
Is it safe to continue going to a church when you know that your pastor has been
involved in being trained in techniques of NLP?
To respond to that, John, I'd like to read from Letter 159, 1903.
This is in 5th volume of the Bible Commentary, 1081.
It's found also in Mind, Character, and Personality, Volume 2, page 713.
Satan hypnotized Adam and Eve.
Satan tempted the first Adam and Eden, and Adam reasoned with the enemy,
thus giving him the advantage.
Satan exercised his power of hypnotism over Adam and Eve, and this power he
strove to exercise over Christ.
But after the word of Scripture was quoted, Satan knew that he had no chance
of triumphing.
Now, look at the two situations.
Eve put herself in the way of temptation.
She disregarded God's counsel, left Adam's side, put herself in the way
of temptation.
She reasoned with the one who was trying to hypnotize her, and she fell,
just like that.
That's exactly what our Adventist people are doing, who know that their pastor or
their conference leaders have been trained in NLP, and continue to parley,
be in the atmosphere of listening to what these men and women have to say,
and continue to place themselves in the way of temptation.
They are doing exactly what Eve did in the garden with the serpent.
And then she says, but after the word of Scripture was quoted with Christ,
Satan knew that he had no chance of triumphing.
Here you have Christ.
Satan came to him.
He had been almost six weeks without food.
He was lifted in an experience with the Lord, the glory of which sustained him,
his experience with his father.
But after 40 days, that faded away, and he was terribly hungry.
The devil comes to him, as an angel of light, and seeks to hypnotize him,
just like he did with Adam and Eve.
But Christ does not parley with him, Ellen White tells us in Desire of Ages.
He did not parley with these guys.
He did not get involved in discussion with them.
He quoted Scripture and summarily dismissed him.
Yes.
And Scripture was his defense.
He would not step off the platform of Scripture and the counsel of Scripture to
parley with the enemy.
And so that is the position that we have to take.
And you know, people say, oh John, you should go talk to these men.
You should go set up a meeting, go have a meeting with these men.
I'm sorry.
Those days are over.
I'm not parleying with these guys anymore.
I'm not having meetings with these guys anymore.
I'm not having counsel meetings with these guys anymore.
Those days are over.
These NLP trained men, I will not communicate with.
That's all there is to it.
Well, for me, one of the worst things I've ever investigated is NLP.
Most diabolical.
The only thing I can say is probably more diabolical is the spiritual exercises and
the constitutions of the society of Jesus because it is even closer in its
appearance of good.
But there's almost a more evil spirit that attends that than the other.
You know, that's what Constance Cumbie said to me over the phone.
She says, she said, John, she says, I am not a Seventh Adventist.
But she says, I cannot believe that the Seventh Adventist Church has stooped so
low to become the highest instigator of NLP in Christendom.
Having more of its pastors trained in NLP almost than all other denominations
combined.
And she says, NLP is the most diabolical, satanic thing I have ever researched in.
And all of the research that Constance Cumbie has done and from her book,
Hidden Secrets of the Rainbow and the other books that she's written.
She says, I have never encountered anything as evil as NLP.
How did you handle, I'm going to ask you the third time, I want you to tell me this
time.
How did you handle these NLP pastors that came to visit your mother or your father
in the hospital when they were sick, Bob?
Well, actually it started before my dad was in the hospital dying of cancer.
He knew there was something wrong with the pastor.
He was the chief ecumenical leader in the town.
The sermons he was preaching were very confusing.
There was something very strange and very odd.
He couldn't put his finger on it.
And when we published in Freedom's Ring our research on neuro-linguistic
programming, he said, immediately said, that's it.
That's it.
That is exactly it.
And I've had person after person tell me that.
That they have been having difficulty understanding what was going on with their
pastor.
But when they either listened to a video or read that material in Freedom's Ring
and understood what the NLP techniques were, they said, that is exactly what's
happening.
And so, my father was dying of cancer.
He was having a very difficult time.
And the pastor of the Adventist church there came to visit him when I was by the
bedside.
And he came in and there was a very strange atmosphere when he came in the
room.
You know, you can sense when there's an old time historic Adventist.
That's right.
But this is a different spirit.
It's an evil spirit.
And just the atmosphere that surrounded him was very disturbing.
He came in and he grabbed my father's arm and he began palpitating it.
Now I know what he was doing.
He was doing a physical mantra, rhythmically squeezing his arm with both
hands.
And looking into his eyes in the funniest, strangest way without saying anything.
And when he would shake your hand, he'd take your hand and he'd just look at
you and look at you and look at you.
And you felt very uncomfortable.
You felt, this is abnormal.
What does he want of me?
What can I say to him that will alleviate this situation?
That's exactly the vulnerability that they're trying to accomplish.
They're trying to throw you off balance.
Sure, they're trying to throw you off balance to where you get the subconscious
impression that I will do anything...
I must be doing something wrong.
That I will do and say anything that will make them comfortable to change this
situation.
That's right.
That's their whole purpose.
That's exactly it.
It throws the person off balance.
So, I found it very disturbing.
My sisters had put up a sign.
They're both nurses.
They had put up a sign that said no visitors.
In an attempt to stop him from coming in because they knew it was disturbing my
father very deeply.
Well, the next day I was away when this minister came in.
And my mom was present.
And it unsettled my father so badly he vomited for hours.
You know, due to his cancer and his distress having gone through the
experience.
And the pastor had said he was going to come back the next day and give him
communion.
Well, my dad said, I can't handle another day of hours of vomiting.
I just can't handle the stress of it.
The pastor refused to take any hints, you know.
We tried to be diplomatic at first, but he refused to take any hints.
So, I had to call the pastor up and I said, did you notice the sign there?
I said, dad is in great distress and he can't handle having visitors come.
Well, he said, surely that doesn't apply to the pastor.
I said, yes, it applies to you.
I could have said it applies especially to you.
But then he was indignant.
You know, his concern was not for the patient.
No.
And the patient's welfare and the family's need to help assist my father in his dying
hours.
I almost am getting the eerie feeling that these men are almost coming in like last
rites to fasten the person in some kind of a mode before they die.
You know, they're great.
This calling and caring ministries is all about, you know, drawing all the pain out
of people and drawing all the guilt out of them.
It's like the Adventist confessional and getting with people when they're dying and
all of this.
And so, I was just kind but firm with him.
And I insisted.
I said, no more.
We can't have you coming back anymore.
And then he was very indignant and went spreading things about us, you know,
and how horrible we were.
But this is the kind of thing that this catapults the average Adventist into.
A situation that you're catapulted into because of what has come into our church.
It's so shocking.
It is absolutely shocking.
What a change, John, from the days...
You know, I remember fondly, as a boy, one of our pastors who was so... I
considered him so in touch with the Lord.
He had a real grasp of the cross of Calvary and the message.
We'd meet together on various people's lawns on Sabbath afternoon for vespers.
It was just like heaven on earth, you know, and the old time message being
given.
But now, things have really changed.
But what we're looking at is part of a global resurgence of the activity of the
occult and evil spirits, hypnosis, mind control, all in an effort to bring
about a worldwide conditioning to prepare the way for Satan's coming as Christ.
And the startling thing is that it's come into our ranks with the vengeance.
And for Seventh-day Adventists to receive the mark of the beast, that's the bottom
line.
It's all part of the great Jesuit agenda that has been calculated by Satan and is
being carried out, either consciously or subconsciously, by the world and the
Church.
Yeah.
On page 75 here of Enroute to Global Domination, Gary Caugh tells us that in
pursuing occult phenomena, such as altered states, a person is playing with fire.
He is breaking through the supernatural barrier which has been placed there by God
for his protection.
Through willing or naive vessels who practice occult meditation, Satan is able
to orchestrate his worldwide drive for a new world order.
Using secret occult hierarchies, he has systematically advanced his plans
with the only serious threat to his efforts coming from knowledgeable,
obedient Christians who stand in his path.
Much of the plan is revealed piece by piece to individuals throughout the world
who are in regular contact with Satan's agents through altered states.
And that's what all this prayer imaging and journaling is about.
You keep a record of your contact and your experiences as you do this prayer imaging.
And you are enticing, you are drawing, you are conjuring up images so that when
the actual image does appear before you of an evil spirit, you're prepared for it,
you're conditioned for it to receive messages.
It's absolutely diabolical, just diabolical.
Incidentally, now, coming down a little further, he talks about the Theosophical
Society which has been at the forefront of the New Age movement, playing an important
role in conditioning humanity to accept the New World Order and discusses
Blavatsky, who is the author of the Secret Doctrine and who laid the foundation of
much of this New Age.
And then Alice Bailey, who received the intermediate messages for the New Age
movement.
And she has established the Lucifer Press, now called the Lucis Press.
And she has put out books such as The Externalization of the Hierarchy.
Now, I researched some of that for our September issue and I found that The
Externalization of the Hierarchy is the conditioning process by which the New Age
is working through the Church, through the Masonic Lodges, and through
education.
Those are the three branches to accomplish a worldwide conditioning, calling for love
and unity to bring about the coming of the Christ, which will be The Externalization
of the Hierarchy.
When the Christ comes, you see, then the occult hierarchy is externalized
and the Christ appears.
This is the cosmic king.
This is the counterfeit Christ of 2 Thessalonians 2, verses 3 and 4.
That's right.
Then Gary Caugh discusses the World Constitution and Parliament Association,
which is a society dedicated to creating the New World Order.
He discusses how the World Council of Churches is involved with all of this.
The World Council of Churches is collaborating with the World Constitution
and Parliament Association.
Cynthia Wedel, the WCC's president since 1975, is an honorary sponsor of the
Provisional World Parliament.
This is perhaps the most blatant evidence yet of the WCC's hidden agenda.
This is a book by William T.
Still, whose father developed the communications, the defense communications
network for our military.
And he tells of how, during the height of the crisis with Nixon, between Nixon and
the Supreme Court over the Watergate tapes, his father, who had engineered and
developed this defense communications network, was approached by a high-ranking
member of the government and asked, do you think that we could pull off a
military coup in America successfully?
And his father was so shaken by this, even the thought of it, but yet he
maintained his equilibrium and he listened and listened and listened and listened to
the plan as it unfolded before him.
And then he sent memos to the CIA, to the intelligence, to the FBI rather,
and to various military intelligence channels.
This stimulated William Still's interest in what was going on behind the scenes
there.
And what he came up with was that we were on the brink of a civil war.
Nixon was planning to use the Marines to ensconce himself in power over against the
demand of the Supreme Court for the Watergate tapes.
Meanwhile, there were high generals in our military that knew what Nixon was
planning, and they planned to fly in the 82nd Airborne to do battle with the
Marines to maintain the Constitution in our government.
We were on the brink of civil war, and none of us knew it.
And then he unfolds what he believes was behind the whole thing, to take over our
government, to pit the left against the right, and then they would take over from
the middle.
What we are going to find out during the millennium in heaven, about the times that
God held back the four winds of strife so that the servants of God could be sealed
in their foreheads.
That's exactly what's going on right now.
God for years has been holding back those winds of strife, having those angels to
hold, hold, hold, until we can be sealed in our foreheads with the seal of the
living God.
I hope our people only realize that, Bob.
In this book, the Dictionary of the Ecumenical Movement, I was amazed to see
the involvement of the World Council of Churches with the United Nations.
There is a World Council of Churches Commission of the Churches on
International Affairs, which has consultative status with the Economic and
Social Council of the UN, and with all major specialized agencies, which
represents the WCC and the UN system.
These things are tied together more than any of us realize, John.
Anyway, back to, en route to global domination, occupation here.
He says that the most blatant evidence yet of the World Council of Churches' hidden
agenda is this fact that Cynthia Waddell, the WCC's president since 1975,
is an honorary sponsor of the Provisional World Parliament.
This organization, that is the WCC, has come to represent the leadership of
most of the mainline Protestant church denominations in America and has privately
been pushing for unification with the Church of Rome.
Yep.
But it appears that the WCC is only trying to unite Christianity in order to bring it
into the new world order.
This also makes it easier to understand why the Council has been so active in
promoting interfaithism, the merging of all the world's major religions under one
umbrella.
This false unity was all necessary in order to bring humanity into a world
government.
I doubt very seriously if this man understands the two beasts of Revelation
13, but yet he understands what's taking place, he can see what's taking place in
the world, having no idea that it is fulfilling prophecy absolutely to a T,
as we have known it as Seventh-day Adventists.
Yes, he discusses the connections between the WCPA's network of communication with
the Amnesty International, American Civil Liberties Union, on and on Friends of the
Earth, Sierra Club, Audubon Society, Wilderness Society, American Humanist
Association, Planetary Society, World Watch Institute, Planetary Citizens,
on and on, a whole list of them there that I don't have time to go into.
And the whole world wandered after the beast.
Now, Chapter 5, he deals with Freemasonry, the hidden catalyst, and the New Age link,
as it links in with Masonry, which, as you recall, is controlled at the
highest levels by the Knights of Malta and the Knights Templar, the orders of the
Roman Catholic Church.
Tell us what the Masons have to do with all this.
More than two years before learning about the WCPA, I discovered that the
Theosophical Society and its sister organizations were playing important roles
in laying the groundwork for the New Age movement, certainly no secret among New
Age researchers.
However, it was not until the fall of 1985 that I first began to suspect the
existence of an even higher center of direction, serving as the main coordinator
between the economic, political, and spiritual elements of the One World
Government.
And then he says here that he shows a letter here from the Supreme Council,
the Mother Supreme Council of the World of the 33rd and Last Degree, ancient and
accepted Scottish rite of Freemasonry, a letter from the Supreme Council to Don
Boyer, and he discusses Alice Bailey.
And then he comes to this significant point on page 90.
He says,
Now, I thought that was so interesting, because here you have an attempt by the
Masons to even try to safeguard themselves from a connection with New Age,
even though they were behind it, behind the whole thing.
They used the women to be the leaders, like Alice Bailey and Blavatsky,
to lead out in the New Age movement.
Since Freemasonry was viewed as a predominantly male organization,
this would prevent people from suspecting it as the center of direction.
And then he discusses about the Order of the Knight of the Red Cross, Knight of
Malta, and Knights Templar.
And so, Freemasonry seems to be a major part, and we're skipping over here loads
and loads of material.
Freemasonry seems to be playing a major role in this whole picture of globalism.
He goes into the role of the Soviet Union, how the Masons were behind this whole
Bolshevik revolution, and how the Bolsheviks even used the Masonic term for
Adam Weishaupt's name, the Spartacus.
That was his false name under the Illuminati.
They called themselves that before becoming known as the Bolsheviks,
and later as the Communists.
The Masons were behind the Russian Revolution.
And this thing is just footnoted.
I'm not giving you the footnotes.
That was page 117.
And here's what Winston Churchill said.
From the days of Spartacus Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx to those of Trotsky,
Trotsky engineered the Bolshevik revolution, this worldwide conspiracy for
the overthrow of civilization and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of
arrested development and envious malevolence and impossible equality has
been steadily growing.
It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the 19th
century, and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the
underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian
people by the hair of their heads and have become the undisputed masters of that
enormous empire.
He said that in 1920 after the Bolshevik revolution.
Well, Bob, there are about six more books up there that I want you to at least show
our people whose titles just really intrigue me.
I put them over there right on the end of the table.
I hope you don't mind.
And I'd like for you just to comment.
You know, there's so many books that we haven't even touched.
We're coming down here to the end of Jesuit 2.
I don't know.
Maybe there's going to be a Jesuit 3 and a 4.
I don't know how many there needs to be.
But we've got to get into so much of this material that you're not even able to get.
You know, there's such a wealth of material supporting this stuff that you're
telling us.
It's just overwhelming.
If there's anybody that wishes to defy or challenge what you're saying, you have got
so much stuff to support it, Bob.
John, here is The Catholic Church and World Politics.
This is a very, very interesting book.
And on page 364 in the notes to the introduction, Note 21.
In the 1950s, the second and third generations of Catholic immigrants,
many of them graduates of Midwestern and Eastern Catholic universities like
Fordham, which is a Jesuit institution, Georgetown, which is a Jesuit institution,
and Notre Dame, benefited from the unquestioned anti-communism of American
Catholicism that partially reversed the traditional government favoritism for
white Anglo-Saxon Protestant graduates from Ivy League institutions.
This was especially true in security organizations like the FBI and the CIA.
During that period, the CIA Rome station chief was the Catholic William E.
Colby, who later developed good contacts to Vietnamese Catholics when he moved to
Saigon in the 1960s.
At any rate, this tells us a bit about the background of the CIA and the FBI,
how it was Jesuit-trained individuals from Fordham, from Georgetown, from Notre Dame,
that had a massive influx into these intelligence organizations and security
organizations in our nation.
Tell me about some of these other books that you've got.
Listen to this from the Pope.
John Paul, page 304.
Some of the Pope's points in a draft with a letter that was sent to the American
bishops in January.
Various hierarchies of the world should be united, because if they are divided on
issues, one would have to disavow the other.
I'll look at some of these other books with you.
Oh, there's just loads of material in this book.
This one caught my secret history of the Jesuits.
By Edmund Parry.
This is a very interesting and heavily documented book.
He discusses many very fascinating things.
For instance, the relationship between the Jesuits and the Gestapo, and the Nazis and
the Catholics.
And here is the chapter on the spiritual exercises.
Here's a quote from Mr. Boehmer.
As I recall, he was a scholar in Germany, if I recall correctly.
Ignatius understood more clearly than any other leader of men who preceded him that
the best way to raise a man to a certain ideal is to become master of his
imagination.
We imbue into him spiritual forces which he would find very difficult to eliminate
later, forces more lasting than all the best principles and doctrines.
These forces can come up again to the surface sometimes after years of not even
mentioning them and become so imperative that the will finds itself unable to
oppose any obstacle and has to follow their irresistible impulse.
Now here in this book, the secret history of the Jesuits, we are told that the way
they gain control of the will is by gaining control of the imagination.
Yes, that's right.
And that's exactly what Bill Loveless was training those pastors to do, was to
control the imagination of their congregation.
And yet it is denied that this has anything to do with mass hypnosis.
And through the control of the imagination, the control of the will.
They made men control the will.
The ultimate goal of the spiritual exercises is cadaver obedience.
So each one's conscience is surrendered to the one above him.
That way you eliminate dissent and you create a military machine that can do what
the leader wants.
The Inquisition of the Middle Ages...
Okay, this is just a paperback, John, that is only an excerpt out of a
three-volume set by Henry Charles Lee, who is the foremost authority on the
Inquisition.
This is the first book that I know written by Malachi Martin, The Jesuits.
Yes.
What did you find in there that was significant?
What he discusses in here is the struggle between John Paul II and the Jesuit order
in seeking to bring them back under control.
The father, Ruppe, who was the black pope, was giving some interference to the last
few popes.
And ultimately we know that John Paul engineered Kalvenbach to take over.
He discusses liberation theology.
Pierre Teilhard de Chardin in here.
And it gives you a real insight into what's going on recently in the Jesuit
order.
The Ignatian mold, the Ignatian worldview.
And it gives a history of Ignatius Loyola.
And the relationships between the white pope, black pope.
I think this one also even discusses in a footnote the red pope, who is in charge of
finances.
What about this one?
Jesuit Higher Education, Essays on American Tradition of Excellence.
What did you find in that one?
This is an excellent book written by a number of Jesuits and others about what
has been happening in Jesuit higher education.
How they have these retreats, for instance, with the spiritual exercises.
And how their goal was to flood the society with large numbers of Jesuit
trained students who would then leaven all of society and every branch of society.
So, you know, our people see the things that are taking place in our colleges and
they have no idea to be suspicious.
You know, we're not normally suspicious people.
But they have no idea that the things that are taking place in our colleges come
right out of Jesuit higher education.
And as you read this book, Essays on American Tradition of Excellence,
the Jesuit higher education, you see the perfect parallel of what is happening in
our Seventh-day Adventist colleges.
And suddenly you realize of the horrifying truth that we are being trained by Jesuit
higher education in our colleges.
Well, just listen to this, John, on page 34.
Here is a Jesuit writing.
He is a philosophy professor at Fordham, William Richardson, S.J.
He wrote, Jesuit education means a style of maintaining colleges and universities
that is grounded in a certain mode of religious experience, that of Ignatius,
and is reinforced by a certain historical or historically contingent vision.
So what is this Ignatian view?
We discussed that before.
Glory to God, service, distinguished service for Christ to humanity.
Mother Teresa.
Obedience to the Church.
Mother Teresa, this whole...
Listen to this next one now.
Here, this is the conclusion of a workshop, a Jesuit workshop on Jesuit
education.
The word Jesuit indicates a special style or mode of carrying on the Catholic
education.
Its characteristics include an apostolic intent, a lived witness, a pragmatic
strategy of education, an emphasis on intellectual development, and a
world-affirming spirituality, or secular mysticism.
Tracing its origins to the spiritual exercises and the Jesuit constitutions,
the delegates declared it leads to a mysticism of service to both God and man.
And so here you have the spiritual exercises being the foundation of it.
And now we're having a man who's been training the world church in the spiritual
exercises, training our ministers at the seminary.
And at the same time you have the chapels being called celebrations.
You have the first service of the Pioneer Church, a celebration service.
You have the Andrews Catholic...
That's here in Orlando.
The Florida Hospital Church is now calling its early service celebration.
They have the celebration service, and they have the Sabbath school,
and they have the traditional service.
Something for everybody, you know.
The special mark of Jesuit education, they wrote, is this absolutely critical
position of secular mysticism, and action-oriented Christian humanism.
So mysticism, action-oriented service, that's the Ignatian worldview.
Vicars of Christ, the dark side of the papacy.
Boy, these titles...
There is so much coming out now that is exposing the man of sin.
It's obvious that God...
This is fitting into God's timetable of ripping the mask off the man of sin.
And God's people cannot sit silently by and let others do this.
We've got to get actively involved in exposing the man of sin to the world.
That's what we're called to do.
People are scared to do it.
Oh, don't cause any problems.
Let's just have love and peace and forgiveness.
Love and unity is the New Age message.
And part of that message, John, is that all independent ideas and
interpretations must be put under the power of death.
Destruction of individual thought and bringing everything together in a massive
collective consciousness of love and unity.
Love, acceptance, and forgiveness.
Bob, there are so many books, just like the last taping that we did, that we
haven't even touched.
You only brought down a portion of your library.
Praise God for the research that you've done.
We're going to continue to lift you up in prayer.
Thank the Lord for the paper that you're printing, Freedom's Ring.
Now, how can our people get copies of Freedom's Ring, Bob?
And the new issues and maybe even... do you still have some of the back issues?
Oh, yes.
We're putting loads of the bound volumes out now.
Okay, now you've got three precious children.
You know, Esther and Christine and Luther.
And I know that these precious children travel with you everywhere that you go.
And I am so thankful that you do that because my wife, Diane, and son,
Johnny, travel with me wherever I go.
We are a team.
Wife travels, too.
That's right.
And Barbara, pardon me.
Barbara, your wonderful wife that stands by your side just as mine does.
And I understand from what you're telling me that, boy, they work hours a day on
putting these binders together for our people that are calling in for them.
And if our people want the bound volumes of Freedom's Ring, how do they go about
getting that, Bob?
They can write or call to us.
The address is Biblical Studies Institute, Box 200, Hermosa, South Dakota,
57744.
Do you want to tell your phone number or not?
Yes, no.
We've had such a flood of calls.
Give this man some sleep at night, folks.
We love to get the calls, but somehow we have to get the work done, too.
But we do appreciate... we do want people to know we really appreciate their
calling.
Okay.
What type of a love gift is that?
$25 for a bound volume?
Oh, $25.
Well spent.
Praise the Lord for the research and the work that you have done, Bob.
We just appreciate you so much.
And we're going to be lifting you up in prayer that God will continue to protect
you in this vital research that you're doing for God's people.
Oh, we really appreciate you, John, and the whole team here at Prophecy
Countdown.
It's always just a delight to work with all of you folk.
Well, Bob, before we finish this video and part company, and I stay here in Florida
and you take off for South Dakota, let's ask the Lord to be with us,
with the people that view this video across the nation.
Will you kneel with me?
Certainly.
Oh, dear Heavenly Father, I just thank you so much for truth.
The Father, help us to realize that we must read and study and know what that
truth is because Satan is going around like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may
devour.
And if we are not cognizant, if we are not aware of his methods in these last days,
we will be deceived.
Oh, dear Father, Jesus tells us in Matthew 24, 24, that the whole world is going to
be wandering after the beast.
The whole world is going to be worshiping false Christ.
The whole world is going to be deceived, except a very small group called the very
elect.
Oh, Lord, we must be part of that group.
I pray that you will be with my brother Bob, dear Father, as he continues to
study.
Protect him, dear Father, from the evil forces that are going to try to sway his
way of thinking.
Dear Father, keep him strong in the faith.
Dear Father, thank you for putting Bob and I together, that we can communicate with
our historic Adventist people across this nation and around the world and bring
these blessed truths that you are revealing to him, dear Father,
and uncovering these things that are taking place and the deception that Satan
is trying to practice upon your people.
Dear Father, be with us as we go our separate ways now.
Be with these videos as they go out like the leaves of autumn.
Touch our people's hearts with thy Holy Spirit and help them to realize the
nearness of the hour of your coming, dear Father.
And soon and very soon we will look up and say, Lo, this is our God, we have waited
for him and he will save us.
We can spend eternity with you, dear Father, and all this will be behind
us and all sorrow and tears will be wiped away.
But until that time, dear Father, we have a work to do.
Give us the strength and the courage to do that work that is pleasing in your sight,
to wake up your people and to warn the world, dear Father, of what is taking
place in the world and in our church.
Dear Father, so be with us now and we dedicate our lives and our work to you in
the holy and blessed name of Jesus and for his sake.
Amen.
Bob, so good to have you here.
Good to be here.
May God be with you.
God bless you too.
Bless your heart.
It's April 23, 1992 and Terry Ross and I are just finishing editing this videotape
on Jesuit Agenda 2.
But Bob Trez was in our studio on Tuesday, March the 10th.
Got him on the phone now.
A lot has happened since then, friend, and you need to hear it.
Hello, Bob.
Hi, John.
How are you?
I understand a lot has happened since you were in our studio over a month ago,
taping this.
Just volumes.
Tell us what the latest is, Bob.
Well, John, before we get into some of the details, I'd like to just establish our
reference point for how we're going to evaluate what is happening.
Because, really, when we look at our periodicals and what is happening in our
movement, there is a tremendous struggle over trying to come to grips with the
reality of what is going on.
How should it be evaluated?
Right.
And we have to have the correct starting point, the correct reference point,
or our understanding will be all askew as to what is happening in our movement and
how we should relate to it.
Right.
And, of course, the starting point must be the Word of God, and it must be that Word
interpreted by the Holy Spirit.
And our position toward the Word and the Holy Spirit must be one of absolute
self-surrender.
Ellen White says that self-surrender is the substance of the teachings of Christ.
If we fail to make that self-surrender, we're in darkness, and we're in blindness,
and we're not evaluating things correctly.
That's right.
There is a very profound Dutch Christian scholar, Herman Deweyward, who is a
professor of philosophy of law who wrote, Veritable religion is absolute
self-surrender.
The apostate man who supposes that his selfhood is something in itself loses
himself in the surrender to idols, in the absolutizing of the relative.
In other words, if we do not make that full self-surrender to Christ,
we wind up in idolatry.
That's right.
Because our self, our own distorted self, our own distorted reason is in control,
and we wind up setting up idols.
And that's exactly what he's ruling now.
Ellen White warned again and again that the great sin of Adventism was in
elevating the human where the divine should be.
And so this is a real problem that we're having within our movement, the idolizing
of our structure and using the structure as the reference point, the point of
reference for evaluating everything else, instead of using the Word of God as the
reference point.
And as we look at what is happening around us, we see that we are being flooded from
every conceivable area with the Roman Catholic influence.
Liturgically, Rome has launched a major assault against our Church with a
celebration service, and we've looked at that in our videos.
This issue of the liturgy is one that has been battled again and again in the
Church.
For instance, in the English period, just before the pilgrims came over here to
America, the Puritans and Independents and Separatists were battling this very issue
within the English Church.
And that's one reason why they came over here, to establish a Church without a Pope
and a nation without a king.
And Ellen White tells us in Great Controversy that these Puritans saw a
problem with bridging the Gulf to Rome liturgically, and they wanted the Church
purified of every papal element in the liturgy to make as broad and clear a
distinction between the true worship and the worship of the papacy, which is
idolatry and involved in the occult.
In another field, the conflict with Rome has been theological, and we know all
about that because for 40 years now, the New Theology has been battled.
And the New Theology rests upon the doctrine of Original Sin, as formulated by
Augustine, and propounds also the pre-fall nature of Christ and salvation in sin,
all of which are elements of Roman Catholic theology.
And so the theological issue is of great importance.
And then the ecclesiological issue, the issue about the structure of the
Church, should it be hierarchical, or is it the priesthood of all believers?
Is the Church the people who love God and keep His commandments, wherever they may
be, where two or three are gathered together in His name?
Or is it a hierarchical, centralized type of system?
And another area where we are battling Rome is the area of worldviews.
Are we going to accept the worldview of the three angels' messages that calls us
to fear God, which involves hating evil and rejecting evil, and choosing the good,
and obeying the commandments, and fearing to offend Christ?
And then the second angel's message about the fall of Babylon.
Are we really coming out of Babylon, or are we going into Babylon with the
ecumenical movement and the spiritualism that has swept the churches?
On the other hand, the papal worldview is the Ignatian worldview, which sounds very
good in many of its perspectives, to glorify God, and have distinguished
service to Christ, and be a loyal member of the Church, and obedient to the
hierarchy.
But it is vastly different, because it is all oriented to the structure as being the
reference point, instead of God and His Word being the reference point.
Exactly.
And then philosophically, we're in a tremendous battle.
Are we going to have the Protestant morality and the Scriptures as the norm
for truth, and accept Scripture as it reads, and bind our conscience to the
Word, and have the Word be the norm?
Or are we going to accept Roman Catholic natural law, which is based on the nature
of man, and calls for the reasonable man to fit into the order of things as they
are interpreted by the Church, and by the state, and by the teaching
magisterium of the Church?
And then another area where we're being assaulted is experientially, in our
experience.
And we have the spiritual exercises of the Jesuits, with the prayer imaging being
brought in, and spiritual formation, spiritual directorship, and mantras,
and mysticism.
And on the other hand, true Adventism calls for one being our Master,
even Jesus Christ, and no one is to be given control over one's faith.
And then in the area of law, we are being assaulted with the trademark cases,
and the tools of revolution, the cell groups, and the church growth movement,
and the listening skills labs, as opposed to just the pure beauty of
heavenly truth, calling people to follow Christ.
So it's a very comprehensive attack in every area of our existence, John.
We can see how that Satan is truly as a roaring lion against the Seventh-day
Adventist denomination, and he has had great success, it looks, Bob.
Well, John, to just point out some of the things that have happened, a couple weeks
ago, in a church, a major church in California, they had a celebration
communion.
And at this celebration communion, they had the litany...
Now, this is the Seventh-day Adventist church.
...and they had little white wafers, instead of breaking the bread the way we
are told to do so in Scripture.
The people were called up to the front, Roman Catholic style, to receive the
bread.
And they had champagne glasses for the wine, a cross, a large cross, with a large
white wreath, like a sun disk superimposed on it.
And candles, this is a definite move in that direction.
And we're hearing reports from all over, from Michigan, from Southern California,
of people being called forward to the front to receive the bread, Roman Catholic
style.
Now, Bob, I want to make sure that these people understand...
...who elevated the bread, like the priest elevates the host.
Bob, I want to make sure that people understand, these are Seventh-day
Adventist churches.
That's right, that's right.
And another dimension of this whole thing, John, is we're seeing a move toward the
confessional being set up in our church.
The Listening Skills Lab, the net impact of that is to establish a form of an
Adventist confessional.
I have a good friend who is a very stable, solid fellow who went to the North
American Division Evangelism Institute, NADI, there in Chicago, which is part of
the seminary training for most of the fellows who come through for their field
practicum.
And there he took a course which taught the Listening Skills Lab.
And the professor told the students, he said, using these techniques,
you will be able to get the person to unload all of their guilt upon you.
And it will be such a shock to your system to hear all of their guilt, that you in
turn need a spiritual mentor.
And this is so fundamental to Roman Catholicism.
Priesthood.
Pardon, John?
It is the Catholic priesthood.
We are getting reports, a number of reports coming in, both verbal and
written, of what is happening in the churches.
In the churches that people are being called upon, Adventist churches,
that people are being called upon to write out their sins on a piece of paper,
the sticky paper that they want to have confessed.
And then they bring those sins up and nail them, quote-unquote, by sticking them on
the cross.
Sticking them on the cross.
And then, in one church, the minister pronounced forgiveness, or absolution you
might call it, over the congregation after they brought their sins up and put them on
the cross.
All he needed to do was be wearing a robe, and it would be a totally Catholic mass.
Yes, and then, you know, we are finding that priests are being hired, such as the
situation at Atlantic Union College about a year and a half ago, where a Roman
Catholic priest was hired on the staff to be an executive assistant to the
president.
And now one of the vice presidents at AUC has been fired, and this priest is
basically assuming the role of coordination and planning, which the vice
presidency had held.
He's not being given the title of vice president, but he is basically assuming
the post of the person who had been performing that function.
So he's not just a Catholic, Bob.
He's a Catholic priest.
That's right.
And talking about the liturgy situation, we have documentation that's come in of
the Friday night service, Good Friday service.
They had Maundy Thursday at Atlantic Union College, and then a Friday night service
that was just a tenebrae service, a Roman Catholic service of the Stations
of the Cross, and then an Easter celebration service for church,
and then an Easter sunrise service at the William Miller Chapel on Sunday morning.
William Miller Chapel?
At the William Miller Chapel.
He would have rolled over in his grave if he knew that was going on there.
Yes, and priests are being brought in.
For instance, I was handed a bulletin of a priest that was invited in to have a
Thanksgiving service in an Adventist church.
Another major area is Roman Catholic art being brought in.
We all know about the cast, but the Andrews University Focus, the alumni paper
for the spring of this year, had a picture of the family of God with Christ prominent
in the picture, surrounded by various individuals, and then overlooking the
group, much as a mother or father might, is a Roman Catholic nun to the upper left
of Christ.
And a Roman Catholic priest to the upper right of Christ.
Then in the review just two weekends ago, or the weekend before this last weekend,
the cover picture was a picture of Christ of St. John of the Cross.
And St. John of the Cross is one of Roman Catholicism's greatest mystics.
And inside there's a cover story by an author entitled Christ of St. John of the
Cross, lauding this work and describing all the aspects of it, all the triangles,
which are very interesting from an occultic viewpoint, because Roman
Catholicism is an occultic religion.
Absolutely.
And the circles and triangles and explaining the whole thing, and seeking to
justify the painting based on the book of Daniel and Revelation, etc.
And at the end of the article, we find the three wavy lines.
Oh, three wavy lines!
Isn't that amazing that that's in there?
Right.
A relative of Merle Vance, who did a lot of research into the Seventh-day
Adventists, who did a lot of research into the occult, sent me some of his research
on this matter of the three wavy lines.
And the wavy line in the occult, according to his research, indicates a
serpent.
And the serpent in the occult always has the numerical value of 6.
So three serpents are 666.
Okay, folks at home, let's think about this for just a moment, because our
denominational leaders are telling us that the reason we have these three wavy lines
as the logo of the New Adventist Review and throughout the periodicals of the
Seventh-day Adventist Church is because these three wavy lines now represent the
three angels' messages.
Well, folks, if that's the case, then we should get really excited,
because that means, then, that the World Council of Churches is now proclaiming the
three angels' message and promoting it, because, you see, these three wavy lines
are on all of their periodicals.
And that also means that Zonderfand Publishers, printers of the NIV,
the Evangelical Bible for the ecumenical world, are now also promoting the three
angels' message, because, you see, these three wavy lines are on the front of
their new Bible.
Oh, folks, don't you see?
This is a smokescreen.
These three wavy lines don't anymore mean the three angels' message.
They represent serpents, a wavy line.
Study New Age.
Study the occult.
The wavy line represents a serpent.
Three wavy lines represent three serpents.
The three unclean spirits, like frogs in Revelation 16, that come together into
one, Catholicism, apostate Protestantism, and spiritualism.
Please, Adventist brothers and sisters, wake up!
And here they're saying that that represents the three angels' message.
I mean, do they really think...
And is designed to alleviate their fears and concerns.
Oh, the three wavy lines mean the three angels of Revelation 14.
That's what they tell the gullible people.
That's right, the uninitiated.
But to those who understand the occult, the three wavy lines stand for 666.
And those are those three wavy lines that we have on virtually all of the World
Council of Churches books.
In fact, it's on the cover of the NIV Adventure Bible, the Bible for kids,
that tells them that the fourth commandment means that they should go to
church on Sunday.
So, those three wavy lines are exceedingly prominent in the religious world.
You know, the amazing thing about it is, Bob, is that since these three wavy lines,
according to the Adventist Review, represents the three angels of Revelation
14, isn't it amazing that the World Council of Churches and all of these
people are using the three wavy lines?
So, what the Adventist Review is saying is that all of these Babylonian churches,
out of mysticism and out of the occult, are proclaiming the three angels' message.
Right.
That's the outburst of it.
And that's the exoteric meaning within our own organization.
But, you know, this business of symbols is very large in the occult, and artwork is a
very large feature of New Age and Roman Catholicism.
It's a means of communication.
It's a means of conditioning, a way of communicating occult imagery.
And so, John, we're also, of course, experiencing the spiritual exercises of
the Jesuits being brought in, as we pointed out, and Roman Catholic natural
law being brought out.
Another notable feature of what is happening is the development, of course,
of a hierarchical system within our church, which was never to be.
Ellen White spoke against that in scores of pages in Testimonies to Ministers,
that we were falling in the track of Romanism, and we were not to be
establishing an image of the papal hierarchy within our church by
establishing a hierarchy.
But in our lawsuits in the church, in the Procter case, it was argued that
next to the Roman Catholic Church, the Adventist Church is the most
centralized of all major Christian denominations.
Now, who was it that said that?
This was in the Procter lawsuit case.
On the same subject, John, there are some similar statements that were made in the
Mary K.
McLeod lawsuit case, I believe it was, Mary K.
Silver.
The statement was made, those who work for the Seventh-day Adventist Church respond
to a religious vocation in exactly the same sense as does a cloistered nun.
And that's one more indication of the formation of an image.
Did Neil Wilson say that too?
That is in the Mary K.
McLeod lawsuit case, I believe.
That may have been the one where Neil Wilson was subpoenaed and had to testify
and made these statements.
Unbelievable.
It's in her book, Betrayed, I believe.
And John, here are a couple others that indicate the formation of an image of
papal hierarchy in our church, which was never to be.
Jesus himself said, All ye are brethren, and one is your master, even Christ.
But along with the development of a hierarchy comes the punishment of dissent,
Roman Catholic style, and that's what we're witnessing also.
And then here is one of the more famous statements that was in the EEOC case.
Although it is true that there was a period in the life of the Seventh-day
Adventist Church when the denomination took a distinctly anti-Roman Catholic
viewpoint, and the term hierarchy was used in a perjurative or deprecatory sense to
refer to the papal form of church governance, that attitude on the church's
part was nothing more than a manifestation of widespread anti-popery among
conservative Protestant denominations in the early part of this century and the
latter part of the last, and which has now been consigned to the historical trash
heap so far as the Seventh-day Adventist Church is concerned.
That's what Neil Wilson said.
That's right, and you see in that statement he consigns to the historical
trash heap our opposition to a papal form of church governance.
You know what he's putting on the historical trash heap is our prophet and
the spirit of prophecy.
That's what our leadership has put on the trash heap.
Exactly.
So it's very sad, and it hurts our heart to see these things, and we feel like
weeping over Jerusalem like Jesus did of old.
And this idolatry of a structure, and using that as the reference point
instead of the word of God, has perverted the judgment on issue after issue within
our church, and has caused a real antagonism to develop against those who
are seeking to uphold the three angels' messages within our own movement.
Ellen White calls it a spirit of insubordination, and that's exactly what's
happening among the laity.
It's a spirit of insubordination rising up against the apostasy of our leadership.
Yes, but the real insubordination is the insubordination to the word of God.
Exactly.
That's the real insubordination.
The structure that we are called to, first of all, surrender to is the
structure of the word.
And Ellen White had something very, very important to tell us in Desire of
Ages, where she's discussing the gospel commission.
She says that Christ's name is our watchword, our badge of distinction,
our bond of union, and the authority for our course of action and the source of our
success.
Nothing that does not bear His superscription is to be recognized in His
kingdom.
Amen.
Nothing that does not bear His what?
Superscription.
His superscription.
His approval.
This papal hierarchy, this statement that we have the closest type of organization
to the papacy of any church in North America, this image of the papal hierarchy
which has been formed within our church does not bear Christ's superscription.
And Ellen White is very clear that we are not to submit to unsanctified men and men
who seek to interfere between the soul and the word of God.
So if it does not have Christ's superscription or His signature,
it's not of Him and we are not to recognize its authority.
That's right.
And that's why Jesus, in Matthew 15, when the disciples came to Him and they
said, Did you know that you offended the Pharisees by what you said?
Jesus said, Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted shall be plucked
up.
Amen.
And so the question that the true Adventists have to ask is, Has this
individual or that individual been planted by the Father?
Has this structural concept been planted by the Father?
Yes.
Has this doctrine been planted by the Father in His word?
And Jesus went on to say then in verse 14, Let them alone.
It's the same principle as what Ellen White enunciates.
If it doesn't have Christ's superscription, it is to be left alone.
They be blind leaders of the blind.
And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.
It has become a matter of salvation, John, to have the correct starting point.
It has always been a matter of salvation.
And we must have the starting point of the word and the three angels' messages and
complete self-surrender to that message by the Holy Spirit and hold tenaciously to
the perspective of Scripture and inspiration.
You see, Bob, we've been preaching, I have as a Seventh-day Adventist
evangelist, been preaching to the world over television in my evangelistic series
that it's not a matter of whether you worship on Saturday or Sunday.
It's a matter of whether you give your allegiance to God or to Rome.
Exactly.
And the Sabbath Sunday issue is the outworking of whether we have made that
full surrender to Christ or whether we've surrendered to idols.
And that's what we're dealing with in the Seventh-day Adventist church.
And I'm giving the exact same message to the Seventh-day Adventist church today.
That it's not a matter of whether you're giving your allegiance to the independent
ministries or to the conference.
It's a matter of whether you're giving your allegiance to God or to Rome.
That's the issue here.
And you see, one of the very fundamental features of the image of the beast is that
it has a lamb-like profession, but it speaks like a dragon.
And we're seeing exactly the same kind of thing happening toward those who are
speaking out regarding the truth of the three angels' messages within our own
church.
There is a lamb-like profession on the part of the structure that is harassing
them, but on the other hand, they are actually speaking like a dragon in the
things that they are doing by calling for the burning of their books.
I understand a big shipment of books to Nigeria was impounded by our structure
over there, and by banning the faithful, excommunicating them, and putting them
under interdict.
Right out of the Roman papacy, Bob, and I tell you, our people are
asleep.
For some reason, the majority of them are not accepting this.
And I tell you, our people, our faithful historic Adventist people who are trying
to get them to wake up to this, they are just oblivious, don't want to
hear it, don't want to have anything to do with it, and these people are ostracized
and run out of the church.
That's exactly the case that we're finding all over the world.
It's happening all over, and it goes to the very heart of human experience.
Is that heart going to be surrendered to the Word, like we've said over and over
again?
Will it accept another point of reference, namely the structure?
And that's the papal principle, that the structure of the church is the
point of reference, and anything that is out of line with the structure is
therefore evil and must be burned and destroyed.
Well, Bob, we appreciate so much you bringing us up to date.
Is there anything that you wish to add, anything that's been left out?
If you have something to tell us, tell us, brother.
Well, we're watching and monitoring all of these things that are happening around us.
We need to really pray for our people, because what we're struggling with is a
struggle between the three angels' messages and a papal outlook and
perspective and dimensions in every area of life.
And if we do not learn Protestantism and learn that everything in the heart and the
life must be oriented in faith to the Word...
If we don't have root in ourselves that Jesus spoke about, that was so necessary
in his parable regarding the seed sower, if we don't have root in ourselves,
we will be scorched away under the blast of the tempest at the end of time.
If we don't learn our lessons well now, if we submit to structures that are
imposing Roman Catholic liturgy and theology and worldviews and experience and
confessional and all of that type of thing...
If we can't stand up as we go among the footmen, how will we contend with horses
when the United States of America forms the ultimate image of the beast and
imposes it over the entire world?
Well, Bob, we're right down at the end of this tape.
We've got to go, but I appreciate so much you bringing us up to speed on all this.
And I just want to say to our Adventist people that if we are not rooted and
grounded and we are following blind leaders, we're going to be swept away with
the structure, Bob.
We've got to stay on our own two spiritual feet and read and study like we've never
read and studied before.
Amen.
Thank you, Bob, for being here.
God bless you.
Look forward to seeing you again whenever that's going to be.
Keep us updated.
God bless you too, John.
Thanks now, Bob.
Bye-bye.