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Here we are with Jesuit Agenda 3.

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You know, Bob, this is so much like my
celebration videos.

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I made that first one, and I thought that
that would take care of it.

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Never did I dream that there'd be a 1,
2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7.

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Here we are in Jesuit Agenda 3.

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Just thank you so much for the way that
the Lord has...

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for permitting the Lord to use you the way
that He has.

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And the amazing thing about this,
Bob, is also just like my celebration

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videos, is that as we get farther and
farther into this, we find more and more

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startling and astounding things.

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You have just touched on a few things that
we're going to be covering with today.

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And I am in absolute disbelief.

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I can't believe this stuff that's
happening.

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And I know that our people need to find
out, too.

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We'll be back with Jesuit Agenda 3 in just
a moment.

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♪♪♪

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Bob, before we begin, let's ask the Lord's
Holy Spirit to be with us.

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People realize, those that have viewed
these tapes, that we need the mercy of the

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Lord and angels that excel in strength and
guarding us.

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We also need wisdom for the things we're
going to be dealing with today.

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And that God will not only prepare our
hearts for this message, but the hearts of

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the viewers.

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So will you kneel with me and offer a word
of prayer that the Lord will do just that?

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Gracious Father in heaven, it's wonderful
to live at the hour of earth's history

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that we are living in.

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To see the fulfillment of the prophecies
taking place all about us.

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It's wonderful to work together in thy
cause.

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And to remember that the one who died for
us, who shed his blood on Calvary's cross,

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who paid the redemption price for us,
is looking in infinite love upon us,

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wanting to guard us, wanting to shield us
from the spiritualistic forces that are

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taking control of this world.

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And Lord, we look to you, we want to look
to you as in a glass, clearly,

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without any veil between.

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We want to see your face and we want to
see the course that you have marked out

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for us in these closing hours of earth's
history.

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Help us to be faithful and true,
to be fearless in your cause, and give us

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wisdom to understand the forces at work to
unveil the inroads of spiritualism and the

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rapid and stealthy progress of the papal
power and the marshalling of the nations

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for the closing events of this earth's
history.

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Help us to ever be on your side of the
question, to view things from your

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perspective, and to be in a state of
absolute surrender to thee, in unbroken

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intimacy, unbroken communion, and total
dependency upon thee and thy righteousness

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and thy power.

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Bless John and myself today and each one
who views these videos, that the Spirit of

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God may take complete possession of our
hearts.

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In Jesus' name we pray.

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Amen.

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Thank you, Bob.

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Well, have any startling things happened
in your life since we made our first video

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together, Bob?

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Oh, the Lord has really been a blessing,
and we've sure enjoyed working with you,

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John.

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Well, I know that there have been some
things happening in your local church

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since we made our first video,
and I think probably most of our viewers

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know that you've been brought under church
discipline and given 90 days to recant,

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so to speak.

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Have you ever been notified officially of
this, or have you heard about it through

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the Adventist Grapevine?

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No.

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In fact, while we were away on a seminar,
a letter was delivered to our residence in

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our absence, not giving us the date when a
meeting would be held, just notifying us

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that there would be a church business
meeting and leveling of six charges

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against us.

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And after we got back from our trip,
the next morning I was aware of that

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letter, and we found out that the meeting
was held that evening, and they voted to

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put us under three months of censure.

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And we found out about it because one of
the individuals that voted in our favor at

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the meeting told us about it.

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And they still haven't notified us.

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It's been a couple months now.

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And yet they have notified all the
churches in the conference.

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They've sent letters out to all the
conference presidents.

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It sounds so familiar to me.

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That's exactly how they handled the
disfellowshipping of me and my family.

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Well, if God before us, who can be against
us?

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We aren't going to let that slow us down.

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Bob, tell us what you have found.

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I don't know how you can start with the
wealth of information you have to give us

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today, but start right in and let us know
where we are on the Jesuit agenda going on

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in the Seventh-day Adventist denomination.

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John, I'd like to just start off with a
few thoughts about the gospel.

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Looking at Hebrews chapter 2, verse 9,
we read, But we see Jesus, who was made a

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little lower than the angels for the
suffering of death, crowned with glory and

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honor, that He, by the grace of God,
should taste death for every man.

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And our Savior has paid the redemption
price for us at infinite cost,

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the cost of His infinite blood.

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He has died the death that was ours,
which was dying for eternity.

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He has tasted of that death.

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He has entered the portals of the tomb
without the hope of coming back again,

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but with the faith that conquered on
Calvary's cross.

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And so we owe everything to Him.

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And that is what spiritualism does not
understand.

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Spiritualism does not teach the fall of
man and therefore sees no need of a

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Savior.

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And the materials we're going to be
looking at today have as their basis

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spiritualism.

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I'd like to read a passage here from Great
Controversy.

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Spiritualism teaches many wonderful
thoughts and wonderful concepts about love

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and unity and harmony and harmony with
nature and all of this type of thing,

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but it doesn't have the power to produce
righteousness and true love and true

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righteousness.

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And Ellen White told us that the Omega
Apostasy would, among other things,

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involve the teaching that virtue is better
than vice, but having separated itself

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from God, really, through failure to
understand righteousness by faith,

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it would be powerless to accomplish that
virtue.

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And we're going to be looking at movements
that profess virtue, but that in reality

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have proven historically that they have
been monsters of destruction.

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And we must remember that in the Hindu
religion, they even had a god called

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Shiva.

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The destroyer and destruction in the Hindu
religion is not looked upon as necessarily

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bad.

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It's looked upon as a purifying element.

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And that's, of course, what Heinrich
Himmler was involved in with the Nazi SS.

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The destruction and annihilation of whole
races was merely a purifying element for

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the good of humanity, you see.

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And we are going to see... we are seeing
the same philosophies developing,

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because New Age is virtually identical to
National Socialism, but there is... and

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National Socialism, of course,
is Nazism, but undergirding it all are

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philosophies that we want to look at
today.

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And we want to look at the
all-pervasiveness of this thing and first

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of all, we want to look at some of the
things that are hitting us right now,

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that are alerting us.

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Then we want to do a historical sweep and
see historically what this philosophy is

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at its roots and how it has worked itself
historically and how it is encompassing

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the world now and then how the faithful
have combated this in the situation they

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found themselves in.

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You have our undivided attention.

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Proceed.

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Here in Great Controversy 588-589,
the Protestants of the United States will

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be foremost in stretching their hands
across the Gulf to grasp the hand of

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Spiritualism.

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Has that happened, John?

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Absolutely.

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Why, it is all through the Protestant
churches, isn't it?

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And I can't help but think of this
Spiritualism that you are referring to.

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Immediately what came to my mind was the
situation, I believe it's in early

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writings, where she talks about Jesus
going into the Most Holy Place and the

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true and faithful following Him into the
Most Holy Place.

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But there was another group that did not
follow Jesus, remained in the Holy Place,

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and Satan came in to take the Savior's
place and gave them great power and light.

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And that's exactly what these people that
are involved in Spiritualism, not only in

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Protestantism, but now we find it in the
Seventh-day Adventist Church, they are

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claiming that they have great power,
great light, and look at all the wonderful

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things that are taking place in their
encampment.

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But we see that it's just this group that
are receiving their power and light from

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Satan.

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The true and faithful have gone to the
Most Holy Place with Christ.

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That's right.

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So they will be foremost, the Protestants
of the United States will be foremost in

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stretching their hands across the gulf to
grasp the hand of Spiritualism.

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The visualization, the New Age teachings,
the New Age concepts of love and unity

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that have come in, the New Age agenda
called for working through the churches,

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working through the Masonic lodges and
working through education to draw the

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whole world together in the occult to
prepare it for the coming of the Omega

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Christ.

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This is the power and light that comes
from Satan.

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That's right.

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They will reach over the abyss to clasp
hands with the Roman power and under the

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influence of this three-fold union,
this country will follow in the steps of

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Rome in trampling on the rights of
conscience.

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Now I'd like to look at some of the
developments that are taking place right

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now John, and perhaps before we do that,
a couple more statements here.

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In Ellen White's day when she was writing
this, the Temperance Movement was using a

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good cause and moral reform and combining
it with the Sunday Law Movement.

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And Ellen White had some counsel.

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She said, The fact that a movement to
establish error is connected with a work

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which is in itself good is not an argument
in favor of the error.

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We may disguise poison by mingling it with
wholesome food, but we do not change its

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nature.

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On the contrary, it is rendered more
dangerous as it is more likely to be taken

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unawares.

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It is one of Satan's devices to combine
with falsehood just enough truth to give

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it plausibility.

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And we're seeing that with the things that
are coming in.

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Ellen White is used to introduce things,
you see.

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To use Adventist jargon and to catch
Adventist unawares, and they mix in some

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spirit of prophecy quotes to bring the
guard down.

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And what is the nature of this
spiritualism?

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As spiritualism more closely imitates the
nominal Christianity of the day,

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it has greater power to deceive and
ensnare.

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Satan himself is converted after the
modern order of things.

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He will appear in the character of an
angel of light.

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And Alice Bailey, who had the intermediate
phase of teaching, she's a high priestess

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of the New Age movement, tells us in her
book, The Externalization of the

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Hierarchy, that when the conditioning
process of New Age reaches the point where

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sufficient unity and love has been
achieved, through the churches,

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through the Masonic lodges, and through
education, then the externalization of the

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hierarchy will take place, and the occult
leaders will reveal themselves,

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and the Christ himself will appear
surrounded by angels.

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Has Christ, the Christian church,
ever had anything to do with a hierarchy?

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Is a hierarchical system ever congruent
with true Christianity?

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Well, John, I have just gone through a
couple of times my CD-ROM, and looked up

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every time where Ellen White uses the word
hierarchy, and every time it's used in a

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pejorative sense as the epitome of evil,
which is always opposed to the gospel.

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And I have a book here, John, that sheds
light on this.

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So you're saying that a hierarchy has
never, ever been used of God, and that any

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time we have a hierarchical system that is
always referred to by God's prophet,

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God's messenger, as being evil and
satanic?

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Every time she refers to it in her
writings, it is the epitome of evil that

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opposes the gospel.

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Now, what is the order in the gospel?

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All ye are brethren, and one is your
master, even Christ.

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Well, that's so startling, because anybody
that knows anything about church

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organization within Seventh-day Adventist
church knows that it is very obvious,

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and even touted by the general conference
presidents, that we have a hierarchical

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system of government in the Seventh-day
Adventist denominational structure.

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It's even been sworn to in courts of law.

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But our organization, when it was first
established, was to be representative.

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In other words, the power flows from the
bottom up.

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But a hierarchy flows from the top down.

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The pyramid, that's right.

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Here is what Daubenier wrote in his
history of the Reformation.

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Christianity has two great adversaries,
hierarchism and rationalism.

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And another place here, in 521...

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In fact, there is only another religious
organization that has the hierarchical

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system that the Seventh-day Adventist
church has, and that's the Roman Catholic

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Church.

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It was argued in the Proctor case,
as I recall, that we, next to the Roman

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Catholic Church, have the most centralized
system.

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Protestantism threw off man's authority
solely to place Jesus Christ on the throne

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of the Church and his word in the pulpit.

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John, reading on here in Great
Controversy...

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He, that is, Satan, will appear in the
character of an angel of light.

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Through the agency of spiritualism,
miracles will be wrought, the sick will be

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healed, and many undeniable wonders will
be performed.

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And as the spirits will profess faith in
the Bible and manifest respect for the

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institutions of the Church, their work
will be accepted as a manifestation of

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divine power.

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Bob, pardon me, don't forget that with the
people listening by audio tape,

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we can put the reference up on the video,
but the people listening by audio tape,

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if you can give the reference of every
book that you read...

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588, 589, in Great Controversy.

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Did you give the reference from the book
on D.

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R.

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B.

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E.'s History of the Reformation?

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First quote was 171, and the second was
521.

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All right.

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Now, what is going to happen as
spiritualism pulls the strings of this

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whole thing together at the end of time?

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Those who honor the Bible Sabbath will be
denounced as enemies of law and order,

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as breaking down the moral restraints of
society, causing anarchy and corruption,

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and calling down the judgments of God upon
the earth.

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Their conscientious scruples will be
pronounced obstinacy.

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Now, in the New Age teaching, as
enunciated by Alice Bailey, the high

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priestess, she discusses the issue of the
power of death being used to hasten the

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coming one.

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The power of death?

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Yes.

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By that she means that all ideas that
don't fit into the community, that are

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individual interpretations or worldviews
that don't submit to the community at

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large, must be put under the power of
death to hasten the coming one.

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Revelation 13, 15, 17.

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Exactly.

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Their conscientious scruples will be
pronounced obstinacy, stubbornness,

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and contempt of authority.

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They will be accused of disaffection
toward the government.

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Now, this has happened in the Soviet Union
for decades against the faithful

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Adventists who were standing up.

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We want to look at that later.

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Ministers who deny the obligation of the
divine law will present from the pulpit

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the duty of yielding obedience to the
civil authorities as ordained of God.

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In legislative halls and courts of
justice, commandment keepers will be

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misrepresented and condemned.

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A false coloring will be given to their
words.

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The worst construction will be put upon
their motives.

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Now, having read that, John...

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Don't you love the spirit of apostasy?

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Don't you love the great controversy?

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Yes, it really tells us what is coming.

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Such a source of strength.

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What would we do without it?

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Here is a quote from the Adventist
Apocalypse.

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Now, what's that?

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Now, that's a compilation of 719 pages of
material from Ellen White's letters

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regarding end-time events.

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It's never been published.

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Where did you get it?

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Well, sometimes you have friends that pass
things along to you.

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Is this confidential?

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You got your hands on this?

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No, it is available, actually,
from the Rosenvolts.

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I see.

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And they have been copying this off.

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They had access to it.

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And when they gave me my copy,
they said there's only five or six copies

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of this in existence.

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So I read through the whole 719 pages.

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It was absolutely...

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What did you find?

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Well, here is just a quote regarding the
experimentation of Satan on the properties

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of the human mind.

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And we're going to be looking at this,
John, a lot today.

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Satan often finds a powerful agency for
evil in the power which one mind is

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capable of exerting on another human mind.

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This influence is so seductive that the
person who is being molded by it is often

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unconscious of its power.

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God has bidden me speak warning against
this evil, that his servants may not come

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under the deceptive power of Satan.

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The enemy is a master worker, and if God's
people are not constantly led by the

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Spirit of God, they will be ensnared and
taken.

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For thousands of years, Satan has been
experimenting upon the properties of the

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human mind.

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Now, that's a very interesting phrase,
because we're going to later be looking at

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Roman Catholic natural law, which forms a
common denominator among many,

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many movements that are pulling things
together.

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Experimenting with the human mind,
NLP.

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I mean, it is so obvious.

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And he has learned to know it well by his
subtle workings in the last days.

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He is linking the human mind with his own,
imbuing it with his thoughts, and he is

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doing this work in so deceptive a manner,
that those who accept his guidance,

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know not that they are being led by him at
his will.

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The great deceiver hopes to confuse minds
of men and women, that none but his voice

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will be heard.

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Yes, that's exactly what's happening,
Bob.

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It's so obvious.

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Anybody with spiritual discernment,
and what did Christ pray for the church in

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Laodicea, that they would have spiritual
eyesalves, and I am praying for you,

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as you are for our people, that they will
have spiritual eyesalves, and see the

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things that are taking place, because our
Adventist people are being duped by the

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millions.

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They don't realize what's taking place.

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And if we can get them to see any of these
videos, they are in absolute shock.

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They can't believe the stuff that's
happening.

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But the problem is that many of them will
not even watch these videos.

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John, in John chapter 10, the words of
Jesus address this very clearly.

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He said, my sheep hear my voice.

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And we have to hear that voice first.

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And later on, Jesus said to some of the
people around him, ye believe not,

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because ye are not of my sheep.

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My sheep hear my voice, and I know them,
and they follow me, and I give unto them

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eternal life, and they shall never perish,
neither shall any man pluck them out of my

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hand.

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Now, let's look, John, at some of the
developments that have been happening that

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are just like bits of information that
come across our consciousness,

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but in reality are part of a much larger
strategic battle plan of the devil to pull

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things together for these final events.

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So many people have told us that.

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They said, you know, we saw all these
little things happening hither and yon,

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but we couldn't put it all together.

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And suddenly we saw these videos,
and we said, yes, it all fits together.

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Now we see why all this stuff is
happening.

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That's why Alvin Toffler said in his book
Power Shift, we see these bits and pieces

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of things coming by, but until we look at
it strategically, we don't understand the

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significance of it.

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Here I have an analysis.

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You know, it is amazing to me,
John, the number of men who are

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non-Adventists, who are putting themselves
on the line, even putting their personal

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life at risk to expose the papacy,
to expose spiritualism.

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Recently, the Argentine government
released a large sheaf of top-secret

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documents to the Simon Wiesenthal Center
in Los Angeles regarding the connection

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between the Vatican and Nazism.

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And I'm going to be very interested to get
any kind of synopsis.

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They are not making available the full
release, but they may produce a synopsis.

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But that is just one incident.

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There are others that are busy researching
the inroads of spiritualism, and these

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things are becoming more and more
available to us.

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And I want to just look at this phenomenon
of visualization that is coming into our

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church.

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It is spreading, spreading rapidly.

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Our ministers are being exposed to it in
their training, and we are getting one

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report after another.

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Bob, people say, oh, this is one little
isolated incident.

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That thing that you showed in your video
of Bill Loveless, you know, that was just

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one isolated incident.

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That is about as much as one isolated
incident, as celebration was one isolated

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incident.

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This is what they always say at the
beginning when we expose it.

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Oh, it's just one isolated incident.

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And then our people see that it's not,
that it's going like wildfire through our

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denomination.

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See, even the word celebration,
John, this is so interesting.

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Because we just read this quotation about
the linkage between Protestantism,

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spiritualism, and Roman Catholicism.

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Celebration is in all three.

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It is a code term for bringing all three.

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Have you seen, John, driving into Orlando
here, the big billboard that says the

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celebration and you?

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These billboards are all over Orlando.

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This is a big advertising campaign that
they have.

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And it's involving, it's even in the
newspaper, in the Orlando Sentinel,

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it's talking about being the first one of
these thousand points of light of George

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Bush's.

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Oh, yes, and Bush belongs to the Skull and
Bones Society.

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Do you know that the Nazis had a skull and
bones, the SS had skull and bones as their

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insignia, that they belong to the Nazi SS?

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Well, since you've been in Orlando here
and seen these billboards, what does this

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have to do with what we're talking about
today, Bob?

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Well, this is all New Age.

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See, they want to make Orlando the pilot
city to pave the way as a city of light to

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demonstrate to the nation the type of
agenda that they want to accomplish

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through New Age.

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Now, they don't always use the word New
Age.

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For instance...

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Why did it have to be Orlando?

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Why do they have to start here?

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Well, you already have, with Disney World,
you already have a heavy infusion here of

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New Age concepts.

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For instance, you have the EPCOT Center.

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What does the acronym EPCOT stand for?

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E-P-C-O-T... Environmental Prototype
Community of Tomorrow.

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Okay, there you have it.

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And here I have a brochure for the Natural
Law Party in England.

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One of the goals...

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and let me just show you a familiar face
in this.

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See if you recognize the face of your
friend here, John.

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Oh, that's Maharishi Mahayoga.

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There he is.

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Yeah.

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And he's got the Constitution of the
Universe all worked out here with all

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kinds of numbers.

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What does he have to do with Catholic
natural law?

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Well, we want to be exploring that.

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It's going to take us some time,
John.

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But just as an introduction here,
we're looking at things that are impacting

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us on these bits and pieces, and then we
want to look at the whole strategic view.

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You just started on EPCOT.

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Now, I've been to EPCOT.

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Now, was that New Age?

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Remember what the acronym stands for.

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Okay, environmentally...

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Environmental prototype...

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Now, wait a second.

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Now, let's get it straight.

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What does EPCOT stand for?

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Environmentally...

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Experimental...

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Experimental...

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Prototype...

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Prototype Community of Tomorrow.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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Now, what does that...

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We already know about Disney World.

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I mean, you know, Mickey Mouse has been a
wizard from the very beginning.

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Magic and all that.

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Sure.

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The Natural Law Party will establish a new
department to beautify the United Kingdom.

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It will promote large development projects
to construct ideal homes, villages,

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and towns in the vicinity of cities in
order to provide a natural, healthy,

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uncongested, and pollution-free living
environment for everyone.

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Now, this issue of natural law is so big,
we have to look at it systematically,

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historically, how it has developed,
how Roman Catholicism has used it,

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and all the movements that it has
engendered.

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But we are just looking now at bits and
pieces of what is floating past us,

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that we see, the billboard, Celebration
NU, EPCOT, Natural Law Party in England,

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Maharishi Yogi, and the plan to have these
type of prototype communities all over

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England, established by the Natural Law
Party.

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Here I have John Paul II's encyclical
letter, December 30, 1987, on social

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concern.

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I want to just look at a few quotes out of
here, and then let's look at what the

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Earth Summit is saying.

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The obligation to commit oneself to the
development of peoples is not just an

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individual duty, and still less an
individualistic one, as if it were

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possible to achieve this development
through the isolated efforts of each

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individual.

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It is an imperative which obliges each and
every man and woman, as well as societies

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and nations.

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In particular, it obliges the Catholic
Church and the other churches and

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ecclesial communities with which we are
completely willing to collaborate in this

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field.

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In this sense, just as we Catholics invite
our Christian brethren to share in our

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initiatives, so, too, we declare that we
are ready to collaborate in theirs,

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and we welcome the invitations presented
to us.

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In this pursuit of integral human
development, we can also do much with the

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members of other religions, as,
in fact, is being done in various places.

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Collaboration in the development of the
whole person and of every human being is,

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in fact, a duty towards all, and must be
shared by the four parts of the world,

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East and West, North and South,
or, as we say today, by the different

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worlds.

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Now, that's 59 and 60.

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Peoples or nations, too, have a right to
their own full development.

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Now, I'm going to read a few more here,
John.

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And we have to remember what we're looking
at here because it all has enormous

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significance when we understand what Roman
Catholic natural law is.

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Nor can the moral character of development
exclude respect for the beings which

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constitute the natural world.

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Notice the emphasis on the environment,
which the ancient Greeks, alluding

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precisely to the order which distinguishes
it, called the cosmos.

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See, the ancient Greeks had the concept
that the highest goal of man was to fit

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into the order of the environment,
the order of nature.

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And this is foundational to Roman Catholic
natural law.

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You're telling me that all of this
environmental thing, like Greenpeace and

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all of these things going on in the world
about the environment, that this is just

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part of the Jesuit agenda, Bob?

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Well, I'm saying, John, that fundamental
to Roman Catholic natural law,

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and we'll be looking at it shortly when we
do a systematic analysis of it,

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fundamental to it is the concept of the
order of nature which came from the

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Stoics, the ancient Greeks, who believed
that the high duty of man was to conform

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to nature as it is, to fit into the
environment.

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And so all of a sudden now we have
children writing to President Bush all

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kinds of environmental things,
people wearing environmental T-shirts,

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Greenpeace, the Green Party in Germany.

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And remember that John Paul II sees
Germany as his springboard for the New

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World Order.

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A united Germany controlling Europe is the
first circle of power.

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That's the lever of power for the New
World Order.

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And then the second orbit is North
America.

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And then the third orbit is the Asian
region.

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But notice what is happening in Germany so
carefully.

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There's a danger we're going to be
straying here, and we'll want to come back

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to that a little later.

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But enormous developments are happening in
Germany.

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There is great concern in the world
community that Germany is putting the Nazi

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past behind them.

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They're not even thinking about it.

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And Germany feels so strong now that they
don't even have to listen to the world

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community about these things.

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Such realities also demand respect by
virtue of a threefold consideration,

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which it is useful to reflect upon
carefully.

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The first consideration is the
appropriateness of acquiring a growing

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awareness of the fact that one cannot use
with impunity the different categories of

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beings, whether living or inanimate,
animals, plants, the natural elements,

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simply as one wishes according to one's
own economic needs.

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Now, what is that?

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That's this whole environmental concern,
John.

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Isn't that what we hear from the
environmentalists all the time?

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On the contrary, one must take into
account the nature of each being and of

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its mutual connection in an ordered
system, that's the order of nature concept

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of Roman Catholic natural law,
which is precisely the cosmos.

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The second consideration is based on the
realization, which is perhaps more urgent,

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that natural resources are limited.

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Some are not, as it is said, renewable.

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Using them as if they were inexhaustible
with absolute dominion seriously endangers

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their availability, not only for the
present generation, but above all for

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generations to come.

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All this environmental movement is exactly
in harmony with this encyclical.

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This is page 64 and 65.

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Bob, I just want to say that these dear
people, you folks are going to have to get

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a copy, your own copy of one of these
videos and watch it four and five times,

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even more.

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People say that they get the... you know,
Bob, the Lord has given you such an

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intellect and you have absorbed so much of
this stuff and you are spewing out so much

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of this data that there is no... my
problem I have is in absorbing this

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material at the speed in which you give
it.

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And these dear folks, I know, must suffer
the same problem.

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And I have had so many people say,
you know, the second, third, fourth...

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every time I watch that video,
I hear stuff I never heard before and it

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all comes together.

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So, you know, I realize that you have such
a wealth of material to give us,

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but I am talking to our viewers.

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You are going to have to get one of these
videos and watch it over and over again.

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And I promise you, every time you watch
it, you will see more and more things that

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Bob is relating to us.

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But just try to absorb what you can the
first time through, as I am trying to do

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here.

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In fact, they are planning on having an
environmental Sabbath, which is a very

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interesting thing.

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Who is they?

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The environmentalists and the Earth
Summit, as I understand.

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Which you say...

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The international community.

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Which you say has a foundation structure
in the Catholic Church?

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Well, in Roman Catholic natural law,
the order of nature strains.

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See, there are two strains, and we will
get into that shortly in Roman Catholic

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natural law, but the order of nature
strain calls for conformity to nature.

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The thing I am finding out is that the
Roman Catholic Church has such influence

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around the world, and has their finger in
most every organization that rules the

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world, that they can make things happen
without anybody knowing the source of it.

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That they have such an unbelievable
satellite network of pulling the strings

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of everything that happens in the world.

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And they use the principle of
dissociation, so people don't see the

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connections, and then suddenly all of
these agencies pull together at the same

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time.

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And here, the third consideration,
page 65 in the encyclical, refers directly

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to the consequences of a certain type of
development on the quality of life in the

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industrialized zones.

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We all know that the direct or indirect
result of industrialization is,

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ever more frequently, the pollution of the
environment, with serious consequences for

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the health of the population.

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Now, these are, as we said earlier,
good concerns, like the temperance

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movement.

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But, what is the strategic issue behind it
all, you see?

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It is a platform on which all the world
can unite to form a one world government.

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Bob, it's going to be a good concern when
the sunny laws are passed, when people

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receive the mark of the beast.

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We've got to do this to save our country.

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We've got to do this to save the world.

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Of course, it's going to be a,
quote, good concern.

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And you see, John, what happens is,
it brings the order of this world in

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direct conflict with the order of heaven.

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The order of heaven, and God's law,
and God's word.

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And we, as a people, have to be deciding
and purposing, like Daniel, in our heart,

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that we will be settled into God's word.

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So we will not be moved, and we will
submit and surrender, in absolute

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surrender, to the Lord.

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Once again, it is evident that
development, the planning which governs

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it, and the way in which resources are
used, must include respect for moral

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demands.

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One of the latter undoubtedly imposes
limits on the use of the natural world.

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And so, let me read a few more passages in
here.

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In connection with this Earth Summit,
I'd like to read some statements here.

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Before this World Summit was ever put
underway, Pope John Paul II had been

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organizing this years ago.

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Well, this was 1987, when the encyclical
came out.

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Here, from Maurice F.

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Strong, a direct quote, he is Secretary
General of the United Nations Conference

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on Environment and Development.

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The Earth Summit must establish a whole
new basis for relations between rich and

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poor, North and South.

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Notice, almost identical language,
including a concerted attack on poverty.

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And that's a big issue in this encyclical,
too.

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The preferential option for the poor,
and the Jesuits have been talking about

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that for decades, as a central priority
for the 21st century.

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This is now as imperative in terms of our
environmental security as it is on moral

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and humanitarian grounds.

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We owe at least this much to future
generations, from whom we have borrowed a

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fragile planet called Earth.

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Now, John, I want to just get a book over
here.

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It's so obvious, Bob, that the
underpinning of this entire environmental

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movement has been the Roman Catholic
Church.

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That is so unbelievable!

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Who would have ever suspected that the
Roman Catholic Church was underlying all

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of this?

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You see the environmental issue
everywhere.

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I was amazed, John, as I was reading the
dictionary of the ecumenical movement,

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just perusing it and looking at the
section on the United Nations,

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the enormous influence that the World
Council of Churches exerts in the United

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Nations.

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And in our prior videos, we looked at the
enormous collaboration between Rome and

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the World Council of Churches.

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Now, I'd like to just read a pledge that
is to be circulated in many languages.

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The Earth Covenant.

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What is the Earth Covenant?

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The Earth Covenant is a major public
initiative relating to the Earth Summit.

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It consists of a one-sentence pledge.

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The United Nations expects hundreds of
millions of people in every part of the

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world will sign or offer their thumbprint
to the Covenant.

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The pledge to be circulated in many
languages reads as follows, Recognizing

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that people's actions toward nature and
each other are the source of growing

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damage to the environment and resources
needed to meet human needs and ensure

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survival and development, I pledge to act
to the best of my ability to help make the

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Earth a secure and hospitable home for
present and future generations.

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So, they're interested in having hundreds
of millions of people signing this pledge.

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I have some material here, John,
about your Orlando area.

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That's the logo right there that we see
all over Orlando.

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Right, the and sign, and you.

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Yes.

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Right.

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Celebration and you.

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Ampersand you.

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Yes, ampersand you.

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America's first city of light.

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On Saturday, this is a response from the
Orlando mayor to the president.

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The president said, on Monday,
the points of light will come to Orlando,

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Florida.

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Barbara and I will take part in a national
tribute in their honor.

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And he talks about, imagine if all points
of light lived in one place.

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And he talks about the community,
a community of light.

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See, Satan comes as an angel of light.

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His whole agenda, he presents as light.

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But it disregards the thing that we spoke
about, first of all, about the fall of man

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and the necessity of salvation.

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And in this community of light,
each school, business, place of worship,

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and group would lead its members toward
the light of service as equal partners in

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solving social problems at their root.

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In a community of light, people would use
their ingenuity, experience, and passion

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to find solutions that work for their
neighborhoods, their communities.

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They would adopt other people's successful
programs and efforts to meet their needs.

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Or, if necessary, they would craft their
own.

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In a community of light, everyone will be
sought after for their own gifts.

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It's not difficult to see how this could
tie in with the New Age.

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It is New Age.

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The points of light is New Age.

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That's not difficult to see.

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That's not hard to see.

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The thing that is so unbelievable is that
it's tied into Roman Catholicism.

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That's the thing that's so startling.

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It's easy to see New Age in this.

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Yes.

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Here, the celebration.

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A gathering of community spirit.

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Now, John, I'm going to get back here in
just a second to the encyclical,

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but I just have so many things that I
don't want to leave out here.

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Don't leave it out.

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We'll keep the camera rolling.

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Don't worry about that, Bob.

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You know that.

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In this book here by Leonard Peikoff,
The Ominous Parallels, Leonard Peikoff

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analyzes what happened in Nazi Germany.

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Let me read a quote here, John.

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Quote, It is thus necessary that the
individual should finally come to realize

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that his own ego is of no importance in
comparison with the existence of his

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nation.

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Now, remember that this is what Caiaphas
said about Jesus.

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It is better that one man should perish
and that the nation perish not.

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That's right.

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That's what he said.

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This is the whole philosophy behind this
issue of the power of death as it relates

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to the community and love in the New Age.

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You see, those who hold to their own ideas
stubbornly, their ideas must be put under

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the power of death.

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They must be exterminated.

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Yes.

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That the position of the individual ego is
conditioned solely by the interests of the

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nation as a whole.

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So here you have this community concept.

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It's called collectivism.

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That above all, the unity of a nation's
spirit and will are worth far more than

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the freedom of the spirit and will of an
individual.

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Now, let me ask you, John, when our nation
was established, was it established by

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strong individuals?

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Absolutely.

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And they wanted a nation where the
individual could be free?

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Absolutely.

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He could have his freedom in his home.

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He could have freedom to worship God as he
chose.

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The Bill of Rights is there to guarantee
freedom.

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Give me liberty or give me death.

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But what we are hearing now more and more
and more is we have to fit into the

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community.

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That's what we're hearing in the church,
Bob.

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That is exactly what we're hearing in the
church.

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See, it all is spilling over in a wash.

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Because everyone who is not being
transformed by the renewing of their mind

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in Christ Jesus is being conformed to the
world about them.

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We've all got to fit together,
fit together, fit together, work together.

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It sounds wonderful.

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Oh, it sounds wonderful.

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And you see, self-sacrifice is being used
to describe this.

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Hitler was big on self-sacrifice.

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And we have to understand what we are to
sacrifice self to, to Christ or to the

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community that is alienated from Christ,
but that speaks fine words like a lamb,

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but is actually like a dragon.

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This state of mind which subordinates the
interests of the ego to the conservation

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of the community is really the first
premise for every truly human culture.

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The basic attitude from which such
activity arises, we call to distinguish it

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from egoism and selfishness, idealism.

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By this we understand only the
individual's capacity to make sacrifices

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for the community, for his fellow men.

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Now, I read this at a camp meeting and I
asked the people, who do you think said

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that?

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I didn't tell them who it was.

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Some thought George Bush and others
thought other great men.

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And when I told them it was Adolf Hitler,
they were shocked.

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These statements were made by Adolf
Hitler, page 13 still.

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He was explaining the moral philosophy of
Nazism.

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These statements were made in our century
by the leader of a major western nation.

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His countrymen regarded his viewpoint as
uncontroversial.

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His political program implemented it
faithfully.

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And here is the ultimate practice as
described by William Shearer in The Rise

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and Fall of the Third Reich.

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The gas chambers themselves at Auschwitz
in the adjoining crematoria viewed from a

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short distance were not sinister looking
places at all.

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It was impossible to make them out for
what they were.

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Over them were well kept lawns with flower
borders.

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The signs at the entrances merely said
baths.

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You know, I've been in Dachau and I've
been inside those gas chambers there.

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Yet that's what the general conference
president accused the independent

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ministries of being guilty of.

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The same crimes that went on at Auschwitz
and Dachau.

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Yes.

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The unsuspecting Jews thought that they
were simply being taken to the baths for

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the delousing, which was customary at all
camps, and taken to the accompaniment of

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sweet music, for there was light music.

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An orchestra of young and pretty girls,
all dressed in white blouses and navy blue

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skirts, as one survivor remembered,
had been formed from among the inmates.

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While the selection was being made for the
gas chambers, this unique musical ensemble

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played gay tunes from the Merry Widow and
Tales of Hoffman, nothing solemn and

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somber from Beethoven.

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The death marches at Auschwitz were
sprightly and merry tunes straight out of

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Viennese and Parisian operetta.

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Can you imagine that?

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Can you imagine that?

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To such music, recalling as it did happier
and more frivolous times, the men,

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women, and children were led into the bath
houses, where they were told to undress

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preparatory to taking a shower.

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Sometimes they were even given towels.

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Once they were inside the shower room,
and perhaps this was the first moment that

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they may have suspected something was
amiss, for as many as 2,000 of them were

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packed into the chamber like sardines,
making it difficult to take a bath.

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The massive door was slid shut,
locked, and hermetically sealed.

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Up above, where the well-groomed lawn and
flower beds almost concealed the

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mushroom-shaped lids of vents that ran up
from the hall of death, orderly stood

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ready to drop into them the amethyst blue
crystals of hydrogen cyanide.

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I won't read the rest of it.

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It is too horrendous to read, John.

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But the voters, when they voted in the
Nazi ideology, they were aware of this

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Nazi ideology.

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Mein Kampf had been published by Hitler,
and it sold more than 200,000 copies

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between 1925 and 1932.

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But the issue we're looking at here is the
issue of collectivism.

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It's the theory that the group,
the collective, has primacy over the

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individual.

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We're struggling with that in our own
church.

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Does the hierarchy have primacy over the
individual?

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Does the group have primacy over the
individual?

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And now we are looking on a worldwide
scene, a conditioning process,

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calling for people to submit, to
surrender, and every person is to be

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canvassed to try to draw them into these
communities of light.

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You see, Hitler said in Mein Kampf that we
have to be bearing children that have the

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image of the Lord.

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Sounds beautiful, but that is the concept
of the order of nature, of coming in

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harmony with the order of nature,
submitting in conformity to the order of

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nature, and in order to preserve the
purity of Aryan blood so that it reached

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its highest potential, which is
fundamental to the order of reason strain

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of natural law, the subhuman races have to
be purged.

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Purged!

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That's a nice word.

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Yes, just like Shiva in Hinduism that
Himmler would read the Vedas and all of

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this.

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We have to purge away, like you cut off a
bad branch on a tree, for the good of

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humanity, you see.

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That was the idea, that was the
philosophy.

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That's the dangerous philosophy.

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Collectivism holds that in human affairs,
the collective, society, the community,

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the nation, the proletariat, the race,
etc., is the unit of reality and the

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standard of value.

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So you see, when the community becomes the
standard of value instead of the word of

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God being the standard of value,
we have the gas chambers that come in.

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Because those who don't submit to the
community are like a bad branch that will

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disease the whole community and they have
to be cut away.

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That's what they're saying about the,
quote, dissidents in the Seventh-day

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Adventist church, that they are going to
ruin the whole church and they've got to

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be cut away.

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We've got to get rid of these people
because they're ruining our church.

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And if we can just get rid of these people
that are supporting these dissident,

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independent ministries and these
troublemakers in our church, then we can

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have unity once again in our church.

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You see, this concept is not just global.

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It's down to the very grassroots of our
individual churches.

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This concept has permeated our
denomination, our nation, and our world.

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In fact, John, the Troy church that took
your name in, at a recent constituency

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meeting, a man came up to one of the
leaders of the Troy church and said that a

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church like yours is going to have to be
cut off like a diseased branch from the

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rest of the sisterhood of churches.

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Exactly what you said.

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It's the same kind of thing.

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And you see, this is exactly what's going
on in Angwin.

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The Angwin church took my membership there
in Angwin, California, and they went to

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the conference president about some
horrendous things that were taking place

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just a few miles away in the Pacific Union
College church.

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And he said, how can we do anything about
that?

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You know, them bringing in this
non-Adventist...

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Episcopalian priest.

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Episcopalian priest and leading them in
spiritual exercises, teaching them how to

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speak in tongues and whatnot.

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And they went to the conference president
and they said, you've got to do something

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about this.

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He said, what can we do about that?

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When the Angwin church brings in
dissidents like John Osborne, we can't do

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anything about this as long as they are
doing things like that.

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In other words, the Angwin church has to
be cut away before we can have unity in

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our conference.

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Right, and purity.

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Purity, yes.

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On this view, the individual has reality
only as part of the group, and value only

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insofar as he serves it.

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Now, in the gospel, John, what gives the
individual reality and worth and value?

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The cross of Calvary.

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The cross of Calvary.

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Jesus would have died for only one.

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And you see, in the gospel, we hear about
the remnant in the book of Revelation.

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The remnant, those who are left over,
who are the faithful and true.

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Not the majority, the majority community
that unites itself together.

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Incidentally, John, I want to just read in
this context, and we'll get back to all of

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this in just a second.

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Revelation 16.

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Revelation 16, verse 13.

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And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs
come out of the mouth of the dragon.

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That's spiritualism.

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Out of the mouth of the beast,
Roman Catholicism.

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And out of the mouth of the false prophet,
Prostate Protestantism.

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There's that threefold union that we just
talked about here.

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For they are the spirits of devils,
working miracles, which go forth unto the

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kings of the earth and of the whole world
to gather them to the battle of that great

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day of God Almighty.

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So, they are gathering the nations.

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And Rome is interested in finding causes
to gather the people together.

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It is, you know, it is very interesting,
John.

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Right after Vatican II, for example,
we had the hippie movement that started.

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When?

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67?

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68?

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We're not going to tie the hippie movement
in with Roman Catholicism.

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Vatican II called for cooperation with the
non-Christian religions.

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You have the Beatles singing what kind of
songs?

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My Sweet Lord.

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And who is that?

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Hare Krishna.

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Hare Krishna.

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Introducing Hare Krishna to the young
people.

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Don't even say that at the end.

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Yes, to the young people.

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And then they sing about Let It Be.

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Mother Mary, when she comes to me in times
of trouble, speaking words of wisdom,

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let it be.

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When I was going to school at La Sierra,
just to show how far back this apostasy

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goes, they were singing Let It Be in the
Sabbath school at Loma Linda.

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And that is a song about Mary.

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So, you have Mary, you have Hare Krishna,
all being brought into the youth.

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There was an enormous youth upheaval right
after Vatican II.

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At the same time, the charismatic movement
was being introduced and exploding in the

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Roman Catholic Church all over Europe.

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I traveled in Europe at that very time,
about 66, 67, with my family.

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And all over Europe, you have these
hippies that are into spiritualism.

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You have hundreds of hippies coming from
America.

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We traveled a few years later in Nepal,
and we heard them tell us there of how

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hundreds and thousands of American youth,
as a result of the hippie movement,

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came over to Nepal looking for Shangri-La,
and the Nepalese authorities had to put

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them by the hundreds on trains and ship
them down to ports in India to be shipped

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back to America.

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But why was there a big upheaval?

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In Germany, just before Hitler took
control, a few years before, you had the

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phenomenon called the Wandervogel.

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The what?

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Wandervogel.

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Wandervogel?

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Yes, it was when there was a hippie
movement in Germany.

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And you had these children of middle-class
families walking all over Germany,

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drifting all over, you know, into nature
and all of these things, just like the

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hippie movement.

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Those young people then were formed into
the Free Corps, they were called,

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to do battle in the streets against the
communists, and they eventually became the

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hard core of the German military,
or the Nazi movement.

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And it's the hippies of the 60s that are
becoming the hard core leadership of our

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nation and our church right now.

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And they're the promoting New Age and all
of this.

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And you see, it happened right after
Vatican II.

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And this happened in Germany before World
War II, before Nazism?

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Exactly.

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And those hippies there became the
avant-garde of the Nazi SS and the German

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military machine.

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You yourself in Jesuit Agenda 1 said to
me, just as I did, you said, I knew that

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when my generation came into power in this
nation and in this church, that we were in

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for a...

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Enormous upheaval.

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Enormous upheaval.

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And this has all been repeated from what
happened in Germany.

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You see, what do the Jesuits want to do?

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They know that if they can get the youth,
if they can get the oncoming generation

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and create an upheaval so that they break
up all their ties to other things and they

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get reoriented to certain causes,
they are a mighty force to be used.

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And we see 50 years ago this phenomenon of
the hippie movement in Germany.

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We see the collectivism that came in.

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Today we have the hippie movement right
after Vatican II.

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We see this massive worldwide
collectivism.

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See, Nazism was like a trial run,
and it had both strains of Roman Catholic

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natural law at its foundation.

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We still want to get, of course,
into the systematic analysis of it.

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But here, let me read to you a little more
from page 17 here about collectivism.

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The individual has reality only as part of
the group and value insofar as he serves

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it.

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On his own he has no political rights.

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Incidentally, I was just reading a few
months ago the book on constitutional law

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written by Lawrence Tribe, one of the
foremost liberal constitutional law

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scholars in the nation from Harvard.

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And he said that the First Amendment
right, that's the right of free exercise

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of religion and non-establishment of
religion, the First Amendment rights now,

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according to law, are available to the
individual only through the group to which

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he belongs.

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And when I read that, I thought,
Aha!

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Only available through the group or the
church to which he belongs?

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And I preached this.

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I told about this in a sermon,
and a woman came up to me afterwards and

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she said, Bob, I've been through it.

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I know what you're talking about.

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She said, I came into a conflict because
of my personal convictions with the

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situation in my local church.

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The issue went to a court of law.

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And an analysis was made of the church's
position in contradistinction to my

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individual conscience.

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And I lost the case because I was not part
of that group, you see.

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And now we have a phenomenon where the
faithful are being disfellowshipped and

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disenfranchised.

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If that principle continues to hold true,
that Lawrence Tribe mentioned,

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disenfranchised from protection of being a
member of a church, you see, in the face

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of the law.

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You know with the Supreme Court now,
the majority being Roman Catholics,

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believing in natural law, and isn't that
all we heard in the Clarence Thomas thing

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of natural law, that it's going to come
right down, trickle down, right down,

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across our nation and throughout our
church.

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Right.

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That's not difficult to see.

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That's right.

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You see, this... and let me tell you this,
John.

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From my study of Jesuit writings,
one of the major concerns of the Jesuit

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order is to change people's worldviews.

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And that's what we're looking at here.

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To change people's worldview, for
instance, in America, from individual

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rights and the supremacy of individual
rights, and we'll look at it in a

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detailed, systematic way shortly,
to the idea that the community is the

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all-important thing and the individual
must be sacrificed to the community.

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Seventh-day Adventist Church in 1992,
that is what is happening in our

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denomination.

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Have you ever... did you ever believe it
would be possible, in such a short time,

59:55.130 --> 01:00:01.550
to have the global worldview of the
Seventh-day Adventist denomination change

01:00:01.550 --> 01:00:03.890
as much as it has in the last year or two?

01:00:03.890 --> 01:00:03.890
No.

01:00:03.910 --> 01:00:04.890
And it's accelerating.

01:00:05.450 --> 01:00:05.450
Unbelievable.

01:00:05.630 --> 01:00:06.370
It's frightening.

01:00:06.470 --> 01:00:06.750
Yes.

01:00:07.450 --> 01:00:10.490
He, on his own, he has no political
rights.

01:00:10.630 --> 01:00:14.170
He has to be sacrificed for the group
whenever it or its representative,

01:00:14.450 --> 01:00:16.190
the state, deems this desirable.

01:00:17.410 --> 01:00:21.510
Fascism, said one of its leading
spokesmen, Alfredo Rocco, stresses,

01:00:21.510 --> 01:00:25.870
the necessity for which the older
doctrines make little allowance of

01:00:25.870 --> 01:00:29.510
sacrifice, even up to the total
immolation, that's the destruction,

01:00:29.850 --> 01:00:32.070
of individuals in behalf of society.

01:00:34.610 --> 01:00:37.390
So, that's very interesting.

01:00:37.570 --> 01:00:41.730
And here we come here to the celebration,
a gathering of community spirit.

01:00:42.750 --> 01:00:45.290
And listen to the wonderful way in which
it's presented.

01:00:45.750 --> 01:00:50.070
Once upon a time, not so very long ago,
children played in neighborhood streets.

01:00:50.550 --> 01:00:54.810
Sounds of young laughter echoed through
open kitchen windows in preparation of the

01:00:54.810 --> 01:00:56.010
gathering of the family dinner.

01:00:56.910 --> 01:01:00.110
Once upon a time, not so very long ago,
there was a sense of family.

01:01:00.390 --> 01:01:03.610
But I ask you, John, why was there a sense
of family?

01:01:03.810 --> 01:01:04.670
Because of Christ.

01:01:04.790 --> 01:01:05.730
Because of Christ?

01:01:06.910 --> 01:01:08.050
Because of Protestantism.

01:01:08.450 --> 01:01:09.090
Protestantism, exactly.

01:01:09.090 --> 01:01:13.030
And let me quickly grab something here so
we don't lose it.

01:01:13.350 --> 01:01:14.930
Lose it in our train of thought.

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This book.

01:01:17.670 --> 01:01:19.070
We've used that, that before.

01:01:19.070 --> 01:01:20.270
By John Kirtney Murray.

01:01:20.370 --> 01:01:24.210
I just want to emphasize once again,
top Jesuit, John Kirtney Murray.

01:01:24.330 --> 01:01:27.430
We hold these truths, Catholic
reflections, on the American proposition.

01:01:27.950 --> 01:01:36.210
He lays out in here the massive shift in
America from the old Protestant values of

01:01:36.210 --> 01:01:41.710
the Bible being supreme, of submission to
the Bible, of acceptance of the Bible,

01:01:41.850 --> 01:01:47.970
and acting on the Bible, and having
self-sacrificing love as your motive,

01:01:47.970 --> 01:01:53.190
and the supremacy of subjective rights,
and how that has all been destroyed in

01:01:53.190 --> 01:01:59.510
public life now through relativism and
situationalism, and that is preparing the

01:01:59.510 --> 01:02:01.930
way for Roman Catholic natural law.

01:02:02.090 --> 01:02:06.790
Bob, I hate to keep harping on this,
but this is exactly what we're seeing in

01:02:06.790 --> 01:02:07.210
the Church.

01:02:07.670 --> 01:02:13.210
Nothing that is decreed, nothing that is
done when people are disfellowshipped,

01:02:13.510 --> 01:02:16.030
is anything said about the Bible and the
spirit of prophecy.

01:02:16.030 --> 01:02:19.230
Everything is the Church manual,
the Church manual, the Church manual,

01:02:19.310 --> 01:02:19.950
the Church manual.

01:02:20.290 --> 01:02:25.250
Anytime that somebody is disciplined or
disfellowshipped, they always are on a

01:02:25.250 --> 01:02:26.870
page such and such of the Church manual.

01:02:28.090 --> 01:02:32.450
Why have we gotten away from this,
that everything is in the Bible and the

01:02:32.450 --> 01:02:33.010
spirit of prophecy?

01:02:33.090 --> 01:02:35.750
We don't use that in the Seventh-day
Adventist Church anymore for the

01:02:35.750 --> 01:02:36.990
foundation of why we do things.

01:02:37.090 --> 01:02:39.210
It's now, what does the Church manual say?

01:02:39.290 --> 01:02:41.910
I see this exactly happening in the
Church.

01:02:42.070 --> 01:02:45.310
And what does the community of faith,
quote-unquote, say?

01:02:45.310 --> 01:02:49.510
You see, that is a good Jesuit term,
the community of faith.

01:02:49.610 --> 01:02:51.090
What does the, quote, Church say?

01:02:51.170 --> 01:02:52.350
What does the General Conference say?

01:02:52.510 --> 01:02:53.790
What does the Church manual say?

01:02:54.010 --> 01:02:56.610
Instead of what we're used to,
what does the Bible and the spirit of

01:02:56.610 --> 01:02:57.070
prophecy say?

01:02:57.290 --> 01:02:59.650
It's what does the community of faith,
what does the General Conference,

01:02:59.830 --> 01:03:01.150
what does the Church manual say?

01:03:01.710 --> 01:03:02.830
John, here's the next one.

01:03:03.190 --> 01:03:07.790
Once upon a time, not so very long ago,
teachers were recognized as revered

01:03:07.790 --> 01:03:08.150
leaders.

01:03:08.710 --> 01:03:13.150
They guided the innocent with wisdom and
courage, empowered by an innate love of

01:03:13.150 --> 01:03:13.370
children.

01:03:13.370 --> 01:03:14.170
Sounds wonderful.

01:03:14.430 --> 01:03:20.150
But John, if you travel to Varanasi in
India, and I've been there, the Mecca of

01:03:20.150 --> 01:03:24.690
India, of Hinduism, the degradation is
unbelievable.

01:03:25.150 --> 01:03:26.950
You don't see a city of light there.

01:03:27.110 --> 01:03:29.510
You see a city of unbelievable darkness.

01:03:30.030 --> 01:03:35.170
We came in our bus and here were,
there was right outside our bus a dog with

01:03:35.170 --> 01:03:37.310
an enormous ulcer on his mouth.

01:03:37.350 --> 01:03:38.270
I have a picture of him.

01:03:38.670 --> 01:03:43.630
The degradation, the filth, and the stench
of the city was unbelievable.

01:03:43.870 --> 01:03:44.730
This is Hinduism.

01:03:45.070 --> 01:03:47.890
This has been tried for centuries,
John.

01:03:48.170 --> 01:03:53.590
The Bhagavad Gita has been around for
about five, longer than the complete

01:03:53.590 --> 01:03:55.170
Bible, thousands of years.

01:03:55.730 --> 01:03:58.590
And Hinduism has been tried to the
ultimate.

01:03:58.830 --> 01:04:03.270
And it has, the verdict of history is that
it produces unbelievable degradation,

01:04:03.590 --> 01:04:08.910
pornography, evil, and the caste system,
all of these things.

01:04:08.910 --> 01:04:14.250
And now Hinduism is coming in as an angel
of light to the Western society and has

01:04:14.250 --> 01:04:20.170
been largely promulgated through rock
music to the young people of the nation.

01:04:20.830 --> 01:04:23.950
That was our era that did that,
through the Beatles were very influential

01:04:23.950 --> 01:04:24.650
in that bond.

01:04:25.290 --> 01:04:29.110
And here, once upon a time, not so very
long ago, happy moments seemed more

01:04:29.110 --> 01:04:32.370
plentiful as we reveled in the carefree
merriment of the good life.

01:04:32.950 --> 01:04:36.290
Once upon a time, not so very long ago,
there was a sense of prosperity.

01:04:36.290 --> 01:04:42.790
That prosperity was due, Ellen White says,
to the two horns on that beast,

01:04:43.310 --> 01:04:47.370
the lamb-like beast of Revelation 13,
republicanism and Protestantism,

01:04:48.310 --> 01:04:50.550
civil liberty and religious liberty.

01:04:51.210 --> 01:04:56.450
The dynamo of Protestantism produced this
prosperity and is from the wealth of the

01:04:56.450 --> 01:05:01.030
Protestant nations that the Vatican is
largely being financed today because the

01:05:01.030 --> 01:05:05.050
Roman Catholic nations don't have any
wealth hardly to produce because of their

01:05:05.050 --> 01:05:05.410
degradation.

01:05:05.410 --> 01:05:11.250
What we are looking at, John, is all of
these dimensions of spiritualism and Roman

01:05:11.250 --> 01:05:16.210
Catholicism that the verdict of history
has declared to be utterly and completely

01:05:16.210 --> 01:05:21.990
bankrupt now coming into the Protestant
world, selling itself to the Protestant

01:05:21.990 --> 01:05:27.630
world as being the answer to the problem
which they themselves created in the

01:05:27.630 --> 01:05:28.350
Protestant world.

01:05:29.830 --> 01:05:31.530
It's an amazing development.

01:05:32.990 --> 01:05:36.970
Once upon a time, not so very long ago,
the sun laid down to rest beside us in

01:05:36.970 --> 01:05:39.650
recognition of another honest day's work
gone by.

01:05:40.070 --> 01:05:41.010
There's the work ethic.

01:05:41.530 --> 01:05:42.470
Soothing breezes.

01:05:42.850 --> 01:05:47.250
Do you know that in the time of Luther
there were 150 feast days out of every

01:05:47.250 --> 01:05:47.650
year?

01:05:47.970 --> 01:05:52.090
Almost one day out of every two was a
feast day where they didn't work and

01:05:52.090 --> 01:05:53.230
nothing got done.

01:05:53.710 --> 01:05:56.070
The work ethic came from the Puritans.

01:05:56.830 --> 01:06:02.470
And now the new age comes in as if they
have the answer to an honest day's work.

01:06:02.470 --> 01:06:11.070
You go over to India and you see those
long-haired gurus sitting in the lotus

01:06:11.070 --> 01:06:16.110
position by the canals just meditating in
a state of nirvana all day long.

01:06:16.490 --> 01:06:17.550
They aren't working.

01:06:18.490 --> 01:06:19.070
Tell me something.

01:06:19.250 --> 01:06:26.470
Do you see the American labor unions
playing a part in this crumbling of the

01:06:26.470 --> 01:06:27.510
American work ethic?

01:06:28.850 --> 01:06:29.850
I think so, John.

01:06:29.930 --> 01:06:30.630
I think we see it.

01:06:30.630 --> 01:06:34.950
Ellen Weiss says that in the last days
that the labor unions would be foremost in

01:06:34.950 --> 01:06:39.290
causing anarchy in our country,
and that's why she tells us to stay out.

01:06:39.430 --> 01:06:43.470
Because you see, the American work ethic
has been lost because of the labor unions.

01:06:43.590 --> 01:06:44.450
Yes, yes.

01:06:45.650 --> 01:06:47.190
A gathering of community service.

01:06:47.310 --> 01:06:51.190
Please participate in the birth of this
creation, that's in Orlando here,

01:06:51.610 --> 01:06:56.290
by joining us at The Celebration,
a gathering of community spirit.

01:06:56.390 --> 01:06:58.630
So this gives us another dimension to
celebration.

01:06:58.630 --> 01:07:04.710
It is this collectivism, which is
identical to what was in Hitler's Germany,

01:07:04.850 --> 01:07:11.430
where the individual finds his perception
of reality and his sense of worth in the

01:07:11.430 --> 01:07:12.190
community.

01:07:12.590 --> 01:07:18.430
Bob, our flagship station for Prophecy
Countdown, I'm on one of the major

01:07:18.430 --> 01:07:21.990
television stations here in Orlando,
primetime Sunday, Sunday morning.

01:07:22.710 --> 01:07:24.150
How should I address this?

01:07:24.230 --> 01:07:29.010
I mean, since Orlando, since the city that
we are in, that Prophecy Countdown's

01:07:29.010 --> 01:07:34.390
headquarters is just outside of,
is going to be the first city of light,

01:07:35.130 --> 01:07:41.570
how could I address this on television
here to enlighten the people of Orlando of

01:07:41.570 --> 01:07:42.750
what is behind all this?

01:07:42.930 --> 01:07:45.970
You know, John, that hit me when I was
studying this.

01:07:46.070 --> 01:07:52.070
I said, here we have Prophecy Countdown,
this dynamo of energy preaching the truth,

01:07:52.650 --> 01:07:58.510
and the Lord has put it right here in
juxtaposition to the city that is destined

01:07:58.510 --> 01:08:04.010
to be the prototype New Age city for the
nation with a thousand points of light.

01:08:04.230 --> 01:08:06.650
Maybe God has placed us here for such a
time as this, Bob.

01:08:06.670 --> 01:08:07.670
Oh, certainly has.

01:08:08.710 --> 01:08:11.770
Once upon a time, today and always,
there will be a people made of magic,

01:08:11.970 --> 01:08:14.490
as if blessed with a power all their own.

01:08:14.870 --> 01:08:15.850
What does the gospel say?

01:08:16.950 --> 01:08:19.230
The power comes from Christ, you see.

01:08:19.990 --> 01:08:23.910
These are the quiet souls, these are the
gentle souls, these are the souls who

01:08:23.910 --> 01:08:27.150
right the wrongs of the world every day in
every corner of our community.

01:08:27.810 --> 01:08:31.190
Their secret rests not in wealth nor in
the trappings of the times, but in the

01:08:31.190 --> 01:08:33.110
power they have discovered in the gift of
giving.

01:08:33.510 --> 01:08:37.590
I found when I studied Buddhism,
Buddhism even believes in self-sacrificing

01:08:37.590 --> 01:08:41.510
love, but it can't produce it,
because there has to be a new birth.

01:08:41.710 --> 01:08:42.170
That's right.

01:08:42.950 --> 01:08:44.190
That only comes from Christ Jesus.

01:08:44.190 --> 01:08:45.630
That only comes from Christ.

01:08:45.950 --> 01:08:50.710
Their presence radiates an illumination of
spirit in the form of a light creating a

01:08:50.710 --> 01:08:53.910
glow in the community that if multiplied
would be felt across the country.

01:08:54.230 --> 01:09:00.650
So you see, this is a massive cell job to
get the people involved in New Age.

01:09:00.850 --> 01:09:06.910
And you see, New Age, as we discussed last
time, is an arm of the Roman Catholic

01:09:06.910 --> 01:09:07.330
movement.

01:09:07.510 --> 01:09:12.830
All of these things are coming together,
being pulled together at this hour in

01:09:12.830 --> 01:09:13.330
Earth's history.

01:09:13.550 --> 01:09:17.850
Yet there is a false system of
self-sacrificing that we find in Buddhism.

01:09:17.990 --> 01:09:23.690
Do you remember during the Vietnam War
that Pulitzer Prize winning photo of the

01:09:23.690 --> 01:09:26.650
Buddhist priest that went out in the
street and poured gasoline over himself

01:09:26.650 --> 01:09:27.490
and lit the torch?

01:09:28.030 --> 01:09:30.810
That is a photograph that is just...

01:09:30.810 --> 01:09:33.070
you can never get it out of your mind.

01:09:34.310 --> 01:09:40.070
That man was willing to douse himself with
gasoline and be torched for the peace

01:09:40.070 --> 01:09:40.410
movement.

01:09:40.510 --> 01:09:44.430
And we find people who are in this false
system of self-sacrificing.

01:09:44.550 --> 01:09:50.030
So there is something that looks very
pious and very holy and maybe even very

01:09:50.030 --> 01:09:52.630
Christian and very righteous, but it is
demonic.

01:09:53.490 --> 01:09:54.810
Yes, that's so true, John.

01:09:55.450 --> 01:09:59.630
And listen to the religions now with
reference to Earth Day.

01:09:59.970 --> 01:10:01.970
This is from the Associated Press.

01:10:02.110 --> 01:10:06.930
They quote from Psalms 24, "...the earth
is the Lord's, and the fullness thereof."

01:10:06.930 --> 01:10:11.990
With observance of Earth Day this week and
an ecumenical ecology Sunday this weekend,

01:10:11.990 --> 01:10:16.230
churches are planning strong
representation at the United Nations Earth

01:10:16.230 --> 01:10:21.870
Summit in Rio de Janeiro, June 1-12,
which involves governmental delegates and

01:10:21.870 --> 01:10:23.770
thousands of others from around the world.

01:10:24.230 --> 01:10:29.970
An ecumenically-backed environmental
Sabbath was set June 7 to call attention

01:10:29.970 --> 01:10:32.650
to the international efforts to safeguard
nature.

01:10:33.170 --> 01:10:41.630
Now, in Freedom's Ring, in our June issue
of Freedom's Ring, we looked at the call

01:10:41.630 --> 01:10:52.430
by a Jesuit professor for a Sabbath to be
held to promote unity around the world and

01:10:52.430 --> 01:10:57.570
that everyone was to begin this Sabbath on
Friday evening.

01:10:58.710 --> 01:11:03.410
And it was to go all through the Sabbath
and lead into the Sunday celebration of

01:11:03.410 --> 01:11:04.390
Christ the King.

01:11:05.170 --> 01:11:10.510
And everyone was to pray that the spirit
of division would be exorcised from the

01:11:10.510 --> 01:11:10.890
world.

01:11:11.470 --> 01:11:13.270
You see how all of this ties together?

01:11:13.930 --> 01:11:18.550
And here now, this very thing is coming to
pass through an environmental Sabbath

01:11:18.550 --> 01:11:24.490
being set June 7 to call attention to the
international efforts to safeguard nature.

01:11:24.950 --> 01:11:27.410
Churches have drawn together about this,
says the Rev.

01:11:28.050 --> 01:11:32.670
Ken Grant of the Presbyterian Church USA
based in Louisville, Kentucky.

01:11:32.670 --> 01:11:33.530
We woke up.

01:11:33.970 --> 01:11:36.690
We've been sobered to learn of the harm
being done to the environment.

01:11:37.310 --> 01:11:41.610
Virtually every major religious body or
their leaders, Protestant, Roman Catholic,

01:11:41.950 --> 01:11:46.830
Eastern Orthodox, and Jewish, have joined
the effort in the last few years with a

01:11:46.830 --> 01:11:48.810
growing crescendo of concern.

01:11:49.430 --> 01:11:51.210
The web of life is one, U.S.

01:11:51.270 --> 01:11:55.570
Roman Catholic Bishop said last November,
adding that the task of sustaining human

01:11:55.570 --> 01:11:59.510
life itself cannot be separated from the
care and defense of all creation.

01:11:59.510 --> 01:12:04.390
Most major Protestant denominations,
the Episcopal Church, United Methodist

01:12:04.390 --> 01:12:07.690
Church, American Baptist Churches,
and the United Church of Christ,

01:12:08.070 --> 01:12:11.290
among others, have adopted calls to
safeguard nature.

01:12:11.810 --> 01:12:16.570
Judaism plunged strongly into the movement
in an unusually inclusive meeting in

01:12:16.570 --> 01:12:21.270
mid-March of leaders of all four wings of
that faith, Orthodox, Conservative,

01:12:21.770 --> 01:12:23.650
Reform, and Reconstructionists.

01:12:24.130 --> 01:12:29.190
For Jews, the environmental crisis is a
religious challenge, the group said.

01:12:29.890 --> 01:12:34.390
As heirs to a tradition of stewardship
that goes back to Genesis and that teaches

01:12:34.390 --> 01:12:39.530
us to be partners in the ongoing work of
creation, we cannot accept the escalating

01:12:39.530 --> 01:12:40.910
destruction of our environment.

01:12:41.350 --> 01:12:44.310
It is our sacred duty as Jews to take
action.

01:12:44.730 --> 01:12:50.870
So you see how this is a marshalling cause
to draw all the churches, all the world

01:12:50.870 --> 01:12:55.150
religions in, all the nations in,
and all the individuals to develop a

01:12:55.150 --> 01:13:01.450
spirit of collectivism and to promote the
agenda for a one-world government.

01:13:02.390 --> 01:13:05.970
I want to get back here now, John,
to the encyclical.

01:13:06.510 --> 01:13:08.630
Many interesting things yet here.

01:13:09.190 --> 01:13:16.190
Now this encyclical letter that Pope John
Paul II wrote shows how that all the

01:13:16.190 --> 01:13:23.890
things that we are seeing recently in the
environmental movement was propagated by

01:13:23.890 --> 01:13:27.810
him years before this started taking
place, and it's all starting to fit

01:13:27.810 --> 01:13:30.690
together, Bob, why all these things are
happening.

01:13:30.730 --> 01:13:36.090
We had no idea that all of this fit
together in some type of Jesuit agenda.

01:13:36.210 --> 01:13:37.150
It's unbelievable.

01:13:38.350 --> 01:13:40.890
John, I'm reading here from page 74.

01:13:42.710 --> 01:13:49.970
It is above all a question of
interdependence.

01:13:50.850 --> 01:13:58.050
Now we have whole organizations such as a
trilateral commission which are dedicated

01:13:58.050 --> 01:14:05.750
to producing financial interdependence
among the nations between Japan and

01:14:05.750 --> 01:14:12.570
Europe, particularly Germany, and the
United States, sensed as a system

01:14:12.570 --> 01:14:16.770
determining relationships in the
contemporary world.

01:14:16.770 --> 01:14:19.250
So it is above all a question of
interdependence.

01:14:19.370 --> 01:14:24.490
The Pope is interested in bringing about
this interdependence sensed as a system

01:14:24.490 --> 01:14:29.110
determining relationships in the
contemporary world, in its economic,

01:14:29.990 --> 01:14:34.710
as we just discussed, like the trilateral
commission, cultural, political,

01:14:34.950 --> 01:14:36.330
and religious elements.

01:14:36.450 --> 01:14:41.450
Notice the comprehensiveness of it,
and accepted as a moral category.

01:14:42.630 --> 01:14:47.450
When interdependence becomes recognized in
this way, the correlative response is a

01:14:47.450 --> 01:14:51.790
moral and social attitude, as a virtue is
solidarity.

01:14:53.730 --> 01:14:58.110
We learned in the last video that
solidarity is a Catholic term for labor

01:14:58.110 --> 01:14:58.530
unions.

01:14:58.530 --> 01:15:00.250
Yes, for their activity in labor unions.

01:15:00.570 --> 01:15:02.250
It's much larger, like celebration.

01:15:02.610 --> 01:15:09.150
Celebration is not just liturgical change,
but as the Ecmiadzin document in the World

01:15:09.150 --> 01:15:13.510
Council of Churches points out,
it is first of all for liturgical change,

01:15:13.610 --> 01:15:18.610
but second of all to bring all of human
life under the control of the Church to be

01:15:18.610 --> 01:15:20.550
regulated according to the time.

01:15:21.370 --> 01:15:26.930
Now, as we look at this issue of
solidarity, and celebration now we see is

01:15:26.930 --> 01:15:32.050
not only a Roman Catholic liturgical term,
it is a comprehensive term that New Age

01:15:32.050 --> 01:15:39.430
uses, and that is being used now to
express the bringing together of the world

01:15:39.430 --> 01:15:45.350
community in this worldview of
collectivism, which was present in Nazi

01:15:45.350 --> 01:15:45.830
Germany.

01:15:46.110 --> 01:15:50.830
So the word celebration is first and
foremost a Roman Catholic term,

01:15:51.150 --> 01:15:55.130
it is then a New Age term, and then it is
a general conference term.

01:15:55.670 --> 01:15:56.330
Well, that too.

01:15:56.550 --> 01:15:57.370
That's right.

01:15:57.950 --> 01:15:59.690
We have accepted it from them.

01:16:01.630 --> 01:16:06.270
When interdependence becomes recognized in
this way, the correlative response as a

01:16:06.270 --> 01:16:10.690
moral and social attitude, notice how the
Pope is interested in developing moral

01:16:10.690 --> 01:16:14.750
attitudes and social attitudes as a
virtue, is solidarity.

01:16:14.910 --> 01:16:22.150
So just as solidarity was the term for the
labor union movement, Rome's labor union

01:16:22.150 --> 01:16:30.310
movement, her showcase of how to bring
communism down, her showcase of a labor

01:16:30.310 --> 01:16:35.830
union based on the theological premises
and teachings of Thomas Aquinas.

01:16:36.970 --> 01:16:42.630
According to Malachi Martin, this
solidarity has a much larger scope to it

01:16:42.630 --> 01:16:46.190
than just solidarity, labor union in
Poland.

01:16:46.490 --> 01:16:50.630
As we pointed out last time, it is the
word being used for the labor unions in

01:16:50.630 --> 01:16:51.050
America.

01:16:51.370 --> 01:16:57.290
But it is not only a word being used for
labor unions, it is also a word being used

01:16:57.290 --> 01:17:02.930
to describe the interdependence of the
entire global community, because these

01:17:02.930 --> 01:17:08.350
labor unions are the spear points of
accomplishing this along with the activity

01:17:08.350 --> 01:17:09.990
of Rome through celebration.

01:17:10.710 --> 01:17:14.350
So we are looking at a very comprehensive
plan.

01:17:15.070 --> 01:17:18.930
This then is not a feeling of vague
compassion or shallow distress at the

01:17:18.930 --> 01:17:21.030
misfortunes of so many people,
both near and far.

01:17:21.430 --> 01:17:25.610
On the contrary, it is a firm and
persevering determination to commit

01:17:25.610 --> 01:17:27.350
oneself to the common good.

01:17:27.350 --> 01:17:32.230
That is to say, to the good of all and of
each individual because we are all really

01:17:32.230 --> 01:17:33.710
responsible for all.

01:17:34.230 --> 01:17:39.530
This determination is based on the solid
conviction that what is hindering full

01:17:39.530 --> 01:17:44.350
development is that desire for profit and
thirst, that thirst for power already

01:17:44.350 --> 01:17:44.750
mentioned.

01:17:45.110 --> 01:17:51.930
See, the Jesuit concept, according to
Courtney Murray here, is that the whole

01:17:51.930 --> 01:17:57.050
American Constitution with its system of
checks and balances rests upon the thirst

01:17:57.050 --> 01:17:57.770
for power.

01:17:58.110 --> 01:18:00.990
So they try to castigate the Constitution
that way.

01:18:01.790 --> 01:18:09.110
In actuality, a large aspect of the checks
and balances aspect of our Constitution

01:18:09.110 --> 01:18:15.790
came from Sir Isaac Newton's discovery of
what happens in the atom and what happens

01:18:15.790 --> 01:18:25.130
in nature with the protons and neutrons,
negative and positive fields and all that,

01:18:25.190 --> 01:18:26.570
keeping everything in balance.

01:18:27.050 --> 01:18:31.890
And our checks and balances were designed
to prevent the thirst for power,

01:18:32.390 --> 01:18:38.810
to prevent the totalitarian control of one
of the triad aspects of our government,

01:18:38.910 --> 01:18:45.270
executive, legislative, or judicial,
to keep each one from ultimately becoming

01:18:45.270 --> 01:18:48.790
a totalitarian entity that would enslave
the nation.

01:18:48.790 --> 01:18:54.130
So it was for the protection and defense
against power rather than a manifestation

01:18:54.130 --> 01:18:57.630
of a system of government based on power.

01:18:58.210 --> 01:19:00.910
So that's all very interesting too.

01:19:01.130 --> 01:19:05.890
These attitudes and structures of sin are
only conquered presupposing the help of

01:19:05.890 --> 01:19:10.350
divine grace by a diametrically opposed
attitude, a commitment to the good of

01:19:10.350 --> 01:19:14.530
one's neighbor with the readiness in the
gospel sense to lose oneself for the sake

01:19:14.530 --> 01:19:16.050
of the other instead of exploiting him.

01:19:16.050 --> 01:19:21.130
The exercise of solidarity within each
society is valid when its members

01:19:21.130 --> 01:19:22.890
recognize one another as persons.

01:19:23.970 --> 01:19:29.450
Interdependence must be transformed into
solidarity based upon the principle that

01:19:29.450 --> 01:19:32.310
the goods of creation are meant for all.

01:19:33.710 --> 01:19:36.210
Now this starts a very interesting concept
here.

01:19:36.370 --> 01:19:37.250
This is page 76.

01:19:38.310 --> 01:19:42.590
Surmounting every type of imperialism and
determination to preserve their own

01:19:42.590 --> 01:19:47.950
hegemony, the stronger... and remember
Malachi Martin said one of the great goals

01:19:47.950 --> 01:19:55.330
of John Paul II was to destroy the nation
system of politics and to create an

01:19:55.330 --> 01:19:58.130
international system of a one world order.

01:19:58.730 --> 01:20:01.650
Now John, look at what's happened in
Europe.

01:20:04.310 --> 01:20:06.710
Look at what Gorbachev has accomplished.

01:20:07.230 --> 01:20:12.010
And Malachi Martin tells us he doesn't
think in a recent interview in April of

01:20:12.010 --> 01:20:14.610
this year, he doesn't think Gorbachev is
finished.

01:20:14.930 --> 01:20:15.410
No way!

01:20:16.010 --> 01:20:21.510
He says if anything Yeltsin is short term
and Gorbachev may be installed as the head

01:20:21.510 --> 01:20:26.610
of this European economic community that
is going to be the power base for the... I

01:20:26.610 --> 01:20:27.850
have always thought that.

01:20:27.950 --> 01:20:30.550
Don't count Gorby out by any means.

01:20:30.670 --> 01:20:35.450
Just recently Gorbachev came to Germany
and the people were just shouting in

01:20:35.450 --> 01:20:39.710
ecstatic speech, Gorby, Gorby,
Gorby.

01:20:41.410 --> 01:20:46.210
So, surmounting every type of imperialism
and determination to preserve their own

01:20:46.210 --> 01:20:49.990
hegemony, the stronger and richer nations
must have a sense of moral responsibility

01:20:49.990 --> 01:20:55.610
for the other nations so that a real
international system may be established

01:20:55.610 --> 01:21:00.370
which will rest upon the foundation of the
equality of all peoples and on the

01:21:00.370 --> 01:21:03.510
necessary respect for their legitimate
differences.

01:21:03.510 --> 01:21:08.270
And Pope John Paul II orchestrated this
five years ago.

01:21:08.430 --> 01:21:09.990
And look what happened to Russia.

01:21:10.350 --> 01:21:11.930
Look what happened to Eastern Europe.

01:21:12.290 --> 01:21:14.930
Look at what has happened to the European
economic community.

01:21:15.050 --> 01:21:15.570
Let me get a book.

01:21:16.770 --> 01:21:23.610
If people had any idea that this was
orchestrated by the Pope and by his

01:21:23.610 --> 01:21:28.370
soldiers, the Jesuits, five years before
it took place and probably orchestrated

01:21:28.370 --> 01:21:29.090
long before that.

01:21:29.170 --> 01:21:30.470
This is just when it was published.

01:21:31.110 --> 01:21:31.630
Publicly.

01:21:31.790 --> 01:21:33.310
When they pull all the cords together.

01:21:34.530 --> 01:21:37.970
Here's Malachi Martin's book once again,
The Keys of This Blood, where he discusses

01:21:37.970 --> 01:21:38.090
this.

01:21:38.150 --> 01:21:46.450
And we're wanting to come back to this
later because he tells how in his

01:21:46.450 --> 01:21:52.330
interview how Gorbachev and in the book
how Gorbachev has access to the inner

01:21:52.330 --> 01:21:56.630
circles of this European economic
community, to the highest power circles

01:21:56.630 --> 01:21:59.790
and is exerting enormous influence.

01:21:59.890 --> 01:22:05.010
Here I have a book, Euroquake,
exceptionally informative and perceptive

01:22:05.010 --> 01:22:09.630
about recent events in Europe and the
shape of the emerging world economy.

01:22:10.350 --> 01:22:18.310
And this book tells of the enormous power
which is going to be generated by the

01:22:18.310 --> 01:22:20.010
European economic community.

01:22:20.630 --> 01:22:24.070
John, I'm reading from page 214 in
Euroquake.

01:22:25.130 --> 01:22:29.070
Finally, there are fears in the world
Jewish community which may linger the

01:22:29.070 --> 01:22:29.950
longest of all.

01:22:30.430 --> 01:22:35.490
Few Jews can look with complete dispassion
on an expanding Germany, even if the

01:22:35.490 --> 01:22:39.050
causes and means of the expansion are
completely different today from those of

01:22:39.050 --> 01:22:40.030
half a century ago.

01:22:40.610 --> 01:22:44.790
Hitler, the Nazis, and the Holocaust are
inextricably identified with Germany.

01:22:45.390 --> 01:22:50.730
The passage of a mere four decades cannot
erase those memories, especially when

01:22:50.730 --> 01:22:57.810
Deutschland, Oberalles, is being sung
again at rallies in Germany overall.

01:22:58.930 --> 01:23:04.670
And politicians all over Germany once more
routinely invoke the idea of a glorious

01:23:04.670 --> 01:23:05.850
German fatherland.

01:23:06.450 --> 01:23:11.310
Schooled in the premise of never again,
taught above all never to forget the

01:23:11.310 --> 01:23:16.290
victims of the Holocaust, even those Jews
who identify little with organized Jewry

01:23:16.290 --> 01:23:21.530
know that if they wait to speak out until
neo-Nazis or anti-Semites are in power

01:23:21.530 --> 01:23:23.770
again in Berlin, it will be too late.

01:23:24.430 --> 01:23:30.650
And we know that there has been a
tremendous rash of anti-Semitic behavior

01:23:30.650 --> 01:23:36.830
in Germany, and Helmut Kohl is feeling so
strong now, and Germany is feeling flexing

01:23:36.830 --> 01:23:42.770
its muscles so powerfully that they do not
feel that they have to be accountable to

01:23:42.770 --> 01:23:46.450
the rest of the world for some of their
past.

01:23:46.650 --> 01:23:51.750
And on the evening news we see the
resurgence of the Nazi youth and these

01:23:51.750 --> 01:23:56.270
militant groups or gangs that are trying
to revive Nazism.

01:23:56.510 --> 01:23:56.850
Yes.

01:23:57.170 --> 01:24:02.190
John, back to the encyclical here on
social concern by John Paul II.

01:24:04.290 --> 01:24:07.090
We want to look a little more at this.

01:24:08.230 --> 01:24:11.550
Solidarity is undoubtedly a Christian
virtue.

01:24:13.010 --> 01:24:18.110
Beyond human and natural bonds already so
close and strong, there is discerned in

01:24:18.110 --> 01:24:23.330
the light of faith a new model of the
unity of the human race, which must

01:24:23.330 --> 01:24:25.430
ultimately inspire our solidarity.

01:24:25.670 --> 01:24:31.530
So what John Paul II is wanting to create
is a new model of unity in the human race.

01:24:31.870 --> 01:24:36.650
This supreme model of unity, which is a
reflection of the intimate life of God,

01:24:37.010 --> 01:24:41.390
one God in three persons, is what we
Christians mean by the word communion.

01:24:42.110 --> 01:24:46.450
This specifically Christian communion,
jealously preserved, extended and enriched

01:24:46.450 --> 01:24:51.850
with the Lord's help, is the soul of the
Church's vocation to be a sacrament in the

01:24:51.850 --> 01:24:53.250
sense already indicated.

01:24:53.570 --> 01:24:56.310
So in this view, the Church is a
sacrament.

01:24:56.450 --> 01:24:58.790
It is the means of salvation, you see.

01:24:59.190 --> 01:25:05.690
And the Church is very central to the
whole concept of solidarity, of the new

01:25:05.690 --> 01:25:13.510
model of globalism, of solidarity,
a model of unity, and at the core of it is

01:25:13.510 --> 01:25:15.070
the Church, the Roman Catholic Church.

01:25:15.550 --> 01:25:16.370
Page 79.

01:25:17.230 --> 01:25:21.690
Solidarity, therefore, must play its part
in the realization of this divine plan,

01:25:22.150 --> 01:25:26.030
both on the level of individuals and on
the level of national and international

01:25:26.030 --> 01:25:27.070
society.

01:25:28.250 --> 01:25:34.390
So it's a divine plan, it's a new model,
it's solidarity, it's communion,

01:25:34.970 --> 01:25:37.570
it's Church as sacrament at the core of
it.

01:25:38.450 --> 01:25:43.990
The evil mechanisms and structures of sin,
which we have spoken, can be overcome only

01:25:43.990 --> 01:25:48.730
through the exercise of human and
Christian solidarity, to which the Church

01:25:48.730 --> 01:25:51.210
calls us and which she tirelessly
promotes.

01:25:51.310 --> 01:25:54.750
So there you have the ecumenical movement
all tied in with this thing.

01:25:55.650 --> 01:25:59.490
Only in this way can such positive
energies be fully released for the benefit

01:25:59.490 --> 01:26:01.250
of development and peace.

01:26:02.170 --> 01:26:06.230
Many of the Church's canonized saints
offer a wonderful witness of such

01:26:06.230 --> 01:26:06.850
solidarity.

01:26:08.470 --> 01:26:09.790
A few more quotes here.

01:26:10.450 --> 01:26:16.310
The Church's social doctrine is not a
third way between liberal capitalism and

01:26:16.310 --> 01:26:22.430
Marxist collectivism, nor even a possible
alternative to other solutions less

01:26:22.430 --> 01:26:24.490
radically opposed to one another.

01:26:24.630 --> 01:26:26.830
Rather, it constitutes a category of its
own.

01:26:26.830 --> 01:26:32.030
Well, if you've got communism,
Marxist collectivism on one side,

01:26:32.110 --> 01:26:35.890
and liberal capitalism on the other,
and then this is another category,

01:26:36.050 --> 01:26:38.430
it is a third way, it is a third category.

01:26:38.750 --> 01:26:44.270
Nor is it an ideology, but rather the
accurate formulation of the results of a

01:26:44.270 --> 01:26:49.070
careful reflection on the complex
realities of human existence in society

01:26:49.070 --> 01:26:52.730
and in the international order in the
light of faith and of the Church's

01:26:52.730 --> 01:26:53.090
tradition.

01:26:53.090 --> 01:26:58.210
Its main aim is to interpret these
realities, determining their conformity

01:26:58.210 --> 01:27:02.150
with or divergence from the lines of the
Gospel teaching on man and his vocation,

01:27:02.630 --> 01:27:05.830
a vocation which is at once earthly and
transcendent.

01:27:06.190 --> 01:27:09.190
Its aim is thus to guide Christian
behavior.

01:27:09.870 --> 01:27:13.810
It therefore belongs to the field not of
ideology, but of theology, and

01:27:13.810 --> 01:27:15.590
particularly of moral theology.

01:27:16.130 --> 01:27:19.650
The teaching and spreading of her social
doctrine are part of the Church's

01:27:19.650 --> 01:27:23.850
evangelizing mission, and since it is a
doctrine aimed at guiding people's

01:27:23.850 --> 01:27:29.990
behavior, it consequently gives rise to a
commitment to justice according to each

01:27:29.990 --> 01:27:32.810
individual's role, vocation, and
circumstances.

01:27:33.350 --> 01:27:39.390
Today more than in the past, page 84,
the Church's social doctrine must be open

01:27:39.390 --> 01:27:44.970
to an international outlook in line with
the Second Vatican Council, the most

01:27:44.970 --> 01:27:49.210
recent encyclicals, and particularly in
line with the encyclical which we are

01:27:49.210 --> 01:27:49.990
commemorating.

01:27:50.350 --> 01:27:55.010
Here I would like to indicate one of them,
the option or love of preference for the

01:27:55.010 --> 01:27:55.330
poor.

01:27:55.770 --> 01:28:01.570
And that's, like I mentioned before,
that is a very common Jesuit term,

01:28:01.730 --> 01:28:04.210
the preferential option for the poor.

01:28:04.410 --> 01:28:11.990
You think that applies to the great
homeless drive that we have to take care

01:28:11.990 --> 01:28:12.470
of the homeless?

01:28:12.610 --> 01:28:14.190
Now this looks so pious, Bob.

01:28:14.190 --> 01:28:17.330
I mean, who would be against helping the
homeless?

01:28:17.570 --> 01:28:25.110
I mean, nobody but a terrible,
terrible, demonic person would not want to

01:28:25.110 --> 01:28:26.150
help the homeless.

01:28:26.470 --> 01:28:29.890
Yet, does that fit into this great Jesuit
plan?

01:28:30.150 --> 01:28:32.530
Well, as we mentioned in...

01:28:32.530 --> 01:28:36.550
I don't think we got fully into it,
but in the Jesuit plan for the world

01:28:36.550 --> 01:28:42.090
church to be, one of the theses that was
laid down by Carl Rayner and his

01:28:42.090 --> 01:28:47.310
colleague, Heinrich Freis, was that all
the churches need to work together in

01:28:47.310 --> 01:28:52.870
these programs, interchanging and
intermingling and thus they develop this

01:28:52.870 --> 01:28:55.750
bond, this ecumenical bond, you see.

01:28:55.850 --> 01:29:00.630
Bob, I cannot tell you how many people
have written letters and sent church

01:29:00.630 --> 01:29:05.390
bulletins to where the local Seventh-day
Adventist church and the local Seventh-day

01:29:05.390 --> 01:29:08.590
Adventist church pastors working with the
quote, ministerial association,

01:29:09.050 --> 01:29:13.670
and they all have these organizations to
where they're helping the poor and the

01:29:13.670 --> 01:29:14.790
needy and the homeless.

01:29:15.090 --> 01:29:21.230
That sounds wonderful, but it's a Jesuit
plan as a way to piously bring all the

01:29:21.230 --> 01:29:21.810
churches together.

01:29:21.950 --> 01:29:23.310
It's ecumenicalism.

01:29:23.630 --> 01:29:29.970
Yes, and that book, Unity of the Churches,
by Carl Rayner, the top Jesuit scholar of

01:29:29.970 --> 01:29:33.410
this century, rests upon the BEM document.

01:29:33.410 --> 01:29:36.050
Came out, remember, one year after the BEM
document.

01:29:36.290 --> 01:29:41.050
And the BEM document, in turn,
rests upon the agenda of Vatican II.

01:29:42.110 --> 01:29:43.270
Page 86.

01:29:44.170 --> 01:29:47.730
It is necessary to state once more the
characteristic principle of Christian

01:29:47.730 --> 01:29:48.670
social doctrine.

01:29:49.090 --> 01:29:52.770
The goods of this world are originally
meant for all.

01:29:53.370 --> 01:29:54.950
Now notice how he spells this out.

01:29:55.310 --> 01:30:01.070
The right to private property is valid and
necessary, but it does not nullify the

01:30:01.070 --> 01:30:02.570
value of this principle.

01:30:03.170 --> 01:30:09.810
Private property, in fact, is under a
social mortgage, which means that it has

01:30:09.810 --> 01:30:14.830
an intrinsically social function based
upon and justified precisely by the

01:30:14.830 --> 01:30:18.430
principle of the universal destination of
goods.

01:30:18.490 --> 01:30:19.250
What does that sound like?

01:30:19.370 --> 01:30:26.410
It sounds like that the Roman Catholic
Church owns everything and that they allow

01:30:26.410 --> 01:30:31.750
you to have your private rights until they
conflict with their rights, and then their

01:30:31.750 --> 01:30:33.890
rights take precedence over your
individual rights.

01:30:33.930 --> 01:30:35.090
Social mortgage.

01:30:35.450 --> 01:30:40.790
Your private property is under social
mortgage to be called in when necessary.

01:30:40.830 --> 01:30:42.310
Whenever we want to, we will.

01:30:42.450 --> 01:30:44.870
To destinate for the poor, etc.

01:30:45.190 --> 01:30:49.770
So you see, this is a very interesting
concept of socialism, isn't it?

01:30:49.950 --> 01:30:52.570
That private property is under a social
mortgage.

01:30:53.170 --> 01:30:59.650
Rome knows that at the core of the
liberties of this nation and the western

01:30:59.650 --> 01:31:03.750
democracies is the concept of private
property.

01:31:04.350 --> 01:31:09.490
Private property is considered to be one
of the most fundamental rights of the

01:31:09.490 --> 01:31:12.610
rights of free people to own private...

01:31:12.610 --> 01:31:13.970
And what did communism do?

01:31:14.170 --> 01:31:15.470
Take away...

01:31:15.470 --> 01:31:17.050
Then the people are vulnerable.

01:31:17.250 --> 01:31:17.530
Right.

01:31:17.710 --> 01:31:21.430
And they're vulnerable to social
engineering and change, and we want to

01:31:21.430 --> 01:31:23.050
look at that a little later.

01:31:23.510 --> 01:31:24.330
Page 87.

01:31:25.190 --> 01:31:28.750
In this respect, I wish to mention
specifically the reform of the

01:31:28.750 --> 01:31:33.990
international trade system, which is
mortgage to protectionism and increasing

01:31:33.990 --> 01:31:34.870
bilateralism.

01:31:35.270 --> 01:31:38.810
The reform of the world's monetary and
financial system.

01:31:39.690 --> 01:31:44.890
He's interested in reforming the world's
monetary and financial system.

01:31:44.910 --> 01:31:46.250
That is happening as we speak.

01:31:46.530 --> 01:31:48.690
Today recognized as inadequate.

01:31:49.400 --> 01:31:51.270
In fact, George Hunt.

01:31:51.330 --> 01:31:52.510
Have you seen any of his videos?

01:31:52.810 --> 01:31:52.890
Yeah.

01:31:53.630 --> 01:31:59.450
About the world conservation bank that is
being planned by the Rothschilds and

01:31:59.450 --> 01:32:06.490
Rockefellers and the financial elite of
the world have merged their interests now

01:32:06.490 --> 01:32:13.690
with the environmental community to use
the vast forests and wilderness areas of

01:32:13.690 --> 01:32:21.310
the third world peoples as a tool for the
creation of a one world monetary system.

01:32:23.450 --> 01:32:25.470
Today recognized as inadequate.

01:32:25.650 --> 01:32:28.510
The question of technological exchanges
and their proper use.

01:32:28.950 --> 01:32:34.230
The need for a review of the structure of
the existing international organizations

01:32:34.230 --> 01:32:38.310
in the framework of an international
juridical order.

01:32:39.030 --> 01:32:44.830
So get all of the international
organizations settled into a framework of

01:32:44.830 --> 01:32:48.170
international law and international
juridical order.

01:32:48.730 --> 01:32:52.670
The international trade system today
frequently discriminates, etc.

01:32:53.050 --> 01:32:58.230
The world monetary and financial system is
marked by excessive fluctuation of

01:32:58.230 --> 01:32:59.730
exchange rates and interest rates.

01:32:59.810 --> 01:33:02.130
So he's going to try to solve that.

01:33:03.330 --> 01:33:04.350
Page 88.

01:33:05.030 --> 01:33:09.410
In the opinion of many, the international
organizations seem to be at a stage of

01:33:09.410 --> 01:33:13.070
their existence when their operating
methods, operating costs, and

01:33:13.070 --> 01:33:16.610
effectiveness need careful review and
possible correction.

01:33:17.570 --> 01:33:21.530
Obviously such a delicate process cannot
be put into effect without the

01:33:21.530 --> 01:33:23.430
collaboration of all.

01:33:23.650 --> 01:33:25.250
There you've got that collectivism again.

01:33:25.410 --> 01:33:28.110
Those that are not willing to collaborate
must be exterminated.

01:33:28.390 --> 01:33:33.050
This presupposes the overcoming of
political rivalries and the renouncing of

01:33:33.050 --> 01:33:37.190
all desire to manipulate these
organizations which exist solely for the

01:33:37.190 --> 01:33:38.210
common good.

01:33:39.050 --> 01:33:42.310
The existing institutions and
organizations have worked well for the

01:33:42.310 --> 01:33:43.050
benefit of peoples.

01:33:43.190 --> 01:33:50.090
Nevertheless, humanity today is in a new
and more difficult phase of its genuine

01:33:50.090 --> 01:33:50.590
development.

01:33:50.870 --> 01:33:57.010
It needs a greater degree of international
ordering, greater order of the

01:33:57.010 --> 01:34:03.910
international community at the service of
the society's economies and cultures of

01:34:03.910 --> 01:34:04.670
the whole world.

01:34:06.010 --> 01:34:10.950
None of what has been said can be achieved
without the collaboration of all,

01:34:11.490 --> 01:34:13.730
especially the international community.

01:34:13.750 --> 01:34:14.730
This is page 90.

01:34:15.310 --> 01:34:21.570
In the framework of a solidarity which
includes everyone, beginning with the most

01:34:21.570 --> 01:34:22.170
neglected.

01:34:22.990 --> 01:34:27.050
But the developing nations among
themselves have the duty to practice

01:34:27.050 --> 01:34:30.830
solidarity among themselves, and with the
neediest countries of the world,

01:34:31.050 --> 01:34:34.930
it is desirable, for example, that nations
of the same geographical area should

01:34:34.930 --> 01:34:38.470
establish forms of cooperation,
which will make them less dependent on

01:34:38.470 --> 01:34:39.530
more powerful producers.

01:34:40.450 --> 01:34:45.250
Interdependence is already a reality in
many of these countries, and on and on he

01:34:45.250 --> 01:34:45.490
goes.

01:34:45.570 --> 01:34:49.330
He's just prophesying what would take
place in 1991, 1992.

01:34:49.750 --> 01:34:50.390
It's so obvious.

01:34:50.510 --> 01:34:51.830
And he did that five years ago.

01:34:52.830 --> 01:34:53.250
Yes.

01:34:53.370 --> 01:34:55.450
They've been planning it a lot longer than
five years, though.

01:34:55.530 --> 01:34:57.390
It's just that's when they've decided to
make it public.

01:34:58.290 --> 01:35:03.770
I tell you, of all the popes that I have
become acquainted with in my lifetime,

01:35:04.290 --> 01:35:08.930
none of them have the ability or been able
to do what Pope John Paul II has done.

01:35:09.050 --> 01:35:13.550
It's phenomenal how the world has bowed at
his feet, acknowledging him as the

01:35:13.550 --> 01:35:15.010
religious leader of the world.

01:35:15.370 --> 01:35:15.990
That's right.

01:35:16.090 --> 01:35:18.090
When he writes something, boy,
everybody listens.

01:35:18.230 --> 01:35:21.750
And to realize that he, quote,
prophesied about all this years ago,

01:35:21.750 --> 01:35:22.730
before it actually happened.

01:35:22.770 --> 01:35:24.410
Now we can see who was behind it all.

01:35:24.770 --> 01:35:25.290
That's right.

01:35:26.190 --> 01:35:28.890
A little more about these thousand points
of light.

01:35:29.650 --> 01:35:36.290
This is from a book by Tex Mars entitled
Millennium, a chapter, the order and its

01:35:36.290 --> 01:35:37.150
master plan.

01:35:38.110 --> 01:35:42.570
Step by step and stage by stage,
humanity is achieving oneness.

01:35:43.270 --> 01:35:47.970
Each day that passes brings some new
insight or event which shows conclusively

01:35:47.970 --> 01:35:49.850
that the plan is working out.

01:35:50.290 --> 01:35:55.270
Today, the plan unfolds at an
unprecedented rate, bringing all gradually

01:35:55.270 --> 01:35:56.350
to the envisioned goal.

01:35:57.370 --> 01:35:57.670
End quote.

01:35:57.770 --> 01:36:04.410
These were said by Benjamin Cream to be
the words of the master, New Age leader,

01:36:05.090 --> 01:36:09.610
the Lord Maitreya, claimed to be the
coming Christ for the New Age.

01:36:10.150 --> 01:36:13.610
According to Cream, a fundamental change
engulfs the world.

01:36:15.270 --> 01:36:20.830
And in this chapter he discusses a
thousand points of light, which I thought

01:36:20.830 --> 01:36:25.950
would be interesting for you, John,
since you're here at this community.

01:36:26.110 --> 01:36:31.110
In Orlando, the very first one of these
cities of a thousand points of light,

01:36:31.170 --> 01:36:32.490
I'm very interested in that.

01:36:32.990 --> 01:36:37.350
Possibly the best description,
this is page 72 of the book, possibly the

01:36:37.350 --> 01:36:41.830
best description of the plan in terms of
its call for a one world government is

01:36:41.830 --> 01:36:45.070
found in a book generally unavailable to
the public through bookstores,

01:36:45.170 --> 01:36:49.490
but distributed widely among members of
the order entitled Solar Man.

01:36:50.090 --> 01:36:55.070
Authored by Thomas P. Ehrenzeller,
this impassioned treatise predicts the

01:36:55.070 --> 01:36:59.550
coming of solar man, a sort of super being
who will preside over a world of

01:36:59.550 --> 01:37:01.370
unparalleled prosperity and peace.

01:37:02.050 --> 01:37:06.390
Ehrenzeller carefully describes how the
world is to be grouped together in regions

01:37:06.390 --> 01:37:10.370
with the European community being the
cornerstone of the world government.

01:37:10.490 --> 01:37:13.850
That's exactly what Malachi Martin says in
Keys of This Blood.

01:37:16.510 --> 01:37:20.350
Ehrenzeller, who at the time of authoring
Solar Man, sat on the National Board of

01:37:20.350 --> 01:37:23.650
Directors of the World Federalist
Association, had his book published under

01:37:23.650 --> 01:37:27.770
the auspices of a publishing house that
used the name Apollo Books and is

01:37:27.770 --> 01:37:30.390
supposedly headquartered in a small town
in Minnesota.

01:37:31.190 --> 01:37:36.110
Apollo was the Greek sun god, great sun
god of the Greeks, and since the order

01:37:36.110 --> 01:37:41.090
believes in the concept of a thousand
points of light, a network of light which

01:37:41.090 --> 01:37:47.470
emanates from the sun god, Lucifer,
it is obvious why the name Apollo is used.

01:37:48.330 --> 01:37:52.010
In his revealing book, Ehrenzeller quotes
Thomas Paine, who once announced,

01:37:52.130 --> 01:37:54.530
We have it in our power to begin the world
over again.

01:37:54.850 --> 01:37:59.110
But we need to begin anew, says
Ehrenzeller, is a new world system.

01:37:59.390 --> 01:38:00.670
Sounds like the Pope, doesn't it?

01:38:00.770 --> 01:38:01.130
Exactly.

01:38:01.270 --> 01:38:02.410
Sounds like our president.

01:38:03.290 --> 01:38:07.570
If the leaders in power cannot see the new
age coming, if they cannot help progress,

01:38:07.650 --> 01:38:11.430
but rather impede it, then the peoples of
the world will seek out new leaders.

01:38:13.610 --> 01:38:20.330
Dropping over on page 73, Here again we
see the belief of the order in a false god

01:38:20.330 --> 01:38:23.910
who assumes the name of the sun deity,
but in actuality is none other than

01:38:23.910 --> 01:38:24.290
Lucifer.

01:38:24.410 --> 01:38:28.550
He is the pretender who masquerades as the
light of this world, and the many members

01:38:28.550 --> 01:38:33.230
of the order networking around the world
are the fabled a thousand points of light,

01:38:33.330 --> 01:38:35.570
as Freemasonry loves to refer to them.

01:38:35.970 --> 01:38:39.630
How revealing, then, the statement made
again and again by President George Bush,

01:38:40.110 --> 01:38:45.070
a high level mason and a member of other
secret globalist societies, that his goal

01:38:45.070 --> 01:38:51.070
as chief executive is to encourage and
promote a thousand points of light across

01:38:51.070 --> 01:38:51.770
America.

01:38:52.250 --> 01:38:53.050
Page 74.

01:38:53.330 --> 01:38:58.250
As one devotee of the new world to come
has written, quote, by the year 2000 the

01:38:58.250 --> 01:39:00.610
White House will be turned into a
lighthouse.

01:39:01.450 --> 01:39:04.270
Rays of light will emanate from
Washington, end quote.

01:39:04.990 --> 01:39:06.870
This gentleman is only partly right.

01:39:07.590 --> 01:39:10.830
The rays may emanate from Washington,
but it is not Washington that is their

01:39:10.830 --> 01:39:11.710
primary source.

01:39:11.850 --> 01:39:16.850
The primary source is Lucifer,
whom occultists universally venerate as

01:39:16.850 --> 01:39:18.010
the father of light.

01:39:18.750 --> 01:39:23.070
No wonder the apostle Paul warned that
Satan often comes to us disguised as an

01:39:23.070 --> 01:39:26.830
angel of light and his demon spirits as
ministers of righteousness.

01:39:27.170 --> 01:39:30.850
Then he has on page 75 the six goals of
the order.

01:39:31.110 --> 01:39:34.610
The plan envisions the attainment of six
specific goals by the order.

01:39:35.090 --> 01:39:38.370
These goals involve both spiritual and
material objectives.

01:39:38.890 --> 01:39:40.690
Listed below are the six goals.

01:39:41.310 --> 01:39:46.190
Goal one, the establishment of a new
international economic order, identical to

01:39:46.190 --> 01:39:48.430
what we saw... We know that that's going
to happen in the process of happening.

01:39:49.250 --> 01:39:53.330
Unified and under the direct command of
the unelected elite on the highest level

01:39:53.330 --> 01:39:54.530
board of the order.

01:39:54.970 --> 01:39:59.730
Goal two, the establishment of what will
appear to be a democratic one world

01:39:59.730 --> 01:40:03.550
government, which will actually be
controlled behind the scenes by the order.

01:40:04.150 --> 01:40:09.410
Goal three, the conquest and subjugation
by economic, financial and spiritual means

01:40:09.410 --> 01:40:12.970
of the two superpowers, United States of
America and Russia.

01:40:13.130 --> 01:40:16.650
Look what has already happened to Russia,
also known as the Union of Soviet

01:40:16.650 --> 01:40:22.710
Socialist Republics, now already
diversified and changed.

01:40:23.090 --> 01:40:27.050
Goal four, the ascension of the coming
United States of Europe as the dominant

01:40:27.050 --> 01:40:29.130
nation in a confederated one world
government.

01:40:29.250 --> 01:40:36.170
Notice how this parallels with Malachi
Martin and with John Paul II's plan.

01:40:36.470 --> 01:40:37.190
All these points.

01:40:37.630 --> 01:40:42.010
The ushering in of a supreme world leader
to preside over this new unified one world

01:40:42.010 --> 01:40:42.250
government.

01:40:42.430 --> 01:40:44.050
Guess who that's going to be?

01:40:45.150 --> 01:40:48.010
John Paul II and ultimately Lucifer,
of course.

01:40:48.030 --> 01:40:49.150
Lucifer, according to great controversy.

01:40:49.370 --> 01:40:49.650
Absolutely.

01:40:50.090 --> 01:40:54.790
Goal six, the establishment of a one world
religion which will coordinate all the

01:40:54.790 --> 01:40:58.830
world's religions, cults, faith groups and
spiritual beliefs under the guidance of a

01:40:58.830 --> 01:41:04.950
supreme pontiff, the spiritual equivalent
of the supreme world leader.

01:41:06.830 --> 01:41:12.390
Now I'd like to turn to an interview that
just took place in April of this year with

01:41:12.390 --> 01:41:13.230
Malachi Martin.

01:41:14.470 --> 01:41:20.230
And this is from the Gospel Truth,
the publication of Southwest Radio Church.

01:41:22.330 --> 01:41:25.370
I'll read a few paragraphs here.

01:41:26.610 --> 01:41:55.090
He's telling about Dr. Martin and
discussing about Gorbachev here.

01:42:04.030 --> 01:42:04.830
Now,

01:42:14.210 --> 01:42:20.190
it's interesting, John, that it has come
out now that in some of the elections in

01:42:20.190 --> 01:42:26.550
Germany as much as 90% of the votes,
the majority of the votes that catapulted

01:42:26.550 --> 01:42:28.650
him into office was Catholic votes.

01:42:28.910 --> 01:42:29.210
Roman Catholic.

01:42:29.790 --> 01:42:36.550
And see, the Pope swung his support behind
Hitler at the critical moment and it

01:42:36.550 --> 01:42:39.350
catapulted him into power and he knows he
can do the same thing again.

01:42:40.370 --> 01:42:46.330
In an editorial dated March 9,
1992 by Gorbachev, Dateline Moscow,

01:42:46.930 --> 01:42:50.430
appearing in the Buffalo News,
we quote, and here's Gorbachev writing,

01:42:50.750 --> 01:42:51.010
quote,

01:42:55.750 --> 01:42:58.190
And I think ours will be an ongoing
dialogue.

01:42:58.510 --> 01:43:01.610
The sense of mutual affection and
understanding which resulted from our

01:43:01.610 --> 01:43:04.090
meeting is to be found in each of our
letters.

01:43:04.650 --> 01:43:08.970
I cannot help but say that we share a
desire to move forward and complete what

01:43:08.970 --> 01:43:10.630
we began together.

01:43:11.650 --> 01:43:15.910
Personally, I would be glad to take any
opportunity to continue working with the

01:43:15.910 --> 01:43:20.350
Pope and I am certain that this desire is
mutual and will prove lasting.

01:43:21.230 --> 01:43:28.070
You see, it was essential that Gorbachev
fade from the forefront for a while so

01:43:28.070 --> 01:43:30.490
that when he comes back he can come back
with a roar.

01:43:30.770 --> 01:43:31.930
As an international figure.

01:43:31.990 --> 01:43:34.470
That's right, as an international figure,
not as the president of the USSR.

01:43:35.010 --> 01:43:40.170
And with the backing of one billion
Catholics, that's one-sixth of the world's

01:43:40.170 --> 01:43:40.770
population.

01:43:42.450 --> 01:43:46.950
It is very difficult to describe the
relationship which took place and shaped

01:43:46.950 --> 01:43:51.710
between the Pope and myself because the
intuitive personal element is always of

01:43:51.710 --> 01:43:53.330
great importance in such relationships.

01:43:53.610 --> 01:43:57.710
Simply put, when I was with him,
I realized that the Pope had also played a

01:43:57.710 --> 01:44:01.390
role in what we came to call the new
political thinking.

01:44:01.590 --> 01:44:01.930
Absolutely.

01:44:02.230 --> 01:44:05.810
I am prepared to acknowledge that his
speeches contain many ideas that were in

01:44:05.810 --> 01:44:06.670
harmony with ours.

01:44:06.750 --> 01:44:10.790
The closeness between us, of which I have
just spoken, was not only personal but

01:44:10.790 --> 01:44:11.310
intellectual.

01:44:11.910 --> 01:44:15.570
What I have always held in high esteem
about the Pope's thinking and ideas is

01:44:15.570 --> 01:44:20.470
their spiritual content, their striving to
foster the development of a new world

01:44:20.470 --> 01:44:21.310
civilization.

01:44:22.270 --> 01:44:26.530
Now it can be said that everything which
took place in Eastern Europe in recent

01:44:26.530 --> 01:44:30.430
years would have been impossible without
the Pope's efforts.

01:44:30.570 --> 01:44:31.670
This is Gorbachev speaking.

01:44:31.750 --> 01:44:31.770
Him!

01:44:31.970 --> 01:44:37.350
I mean, he's admitting that the crumbling
of the Soviet Union was attributed to the

01:44:37.350 --> 01:44:37.550
Pope.

01:44:38.670 --> 01:44:44.410
You know, it's so interesting that Malachi
Martin in Keys of this Blood sees the

01:44:44.410 --> 01:44:50.210
shifting of Russian thinking into what he
calls Gramsciism.

01:44:50.290 --> 01:44:51.610
Did we discuss that in Jesuit Agenda 2?

01:44:51.610 --> 01:44:52.530
I don't remember it, no.

01:44:52.750 --> 01:44:54.270
Well, we'll look at it a little today.

01:44:55.850 --> 01:45:03.490
Gramsciism, which is a certain type of
communist thinking that saw as its primary

01:45:03.490 --> 01:45:09.110
objective the neutralization of the potent
Christianity that existed and the

01:45:09.110 --> 01:45:15.390
secularizing of Christianity to extend
socialist concepts over the world.

01:45:16.010 --> 01:45:22.770
And how Roman Catholicism took this over
from Gorbachev and Brezhnev and it

01:45:22.770 --> 01:45:26.190
embraced it and imposed it on the Western
world.

01:45:27.210 --> 01:45:32.410
The Jesuits were foremost in this work,
so much so that in his book The Jesuits,

01:45:33.270 --> 01:45:36.510
which I have here by Malachi Martin.

01:45:36.810 --> 01:45:41.690
The thing that's so amazing is that this
makes Revelation 13 come together for our

01:45:41.690 --> 01:45:42.210
Adventist people.

01:45:42.430 --> 01:45:48.010
Even if a situation taking place in our
church were not true, we could see

01:45:48.010 --> 01:45:53.470
prophecy being fulfilled just from the
world leaders now encircling the Pope and

01:45:53.470 --> 01:45:54.370
the Roman Papacy.

01:45:54.610 --> 01:45:59.830
How that it's all fitting together
perfectly for the mark of the beast.

01:46:00.330 --> 01:46:03.590
Well, what's interesting, John,
is you remember the message of Fatima,

01:46:03.830 --> 01:46:07.670
that if the world was dedicated to Mary,
if enough penances were said and all this,

01:46:07.930 --> 01:46:09.650
the conversion of Russia would take place.

01:46:09.930 --> 01:46:12.910
Then look at the developments that took
place in the 1980s.

01:46:13.190 --> 01:46:14.850
And the crumbling of the Iron Curtain.

01:46:15.370 --> 01:46:21.150
And the complete metamorphosis of Eastern
Europe and the USSR.

01:46:22.130 --> 01:46:28.770
And now all of this being merged into the
European economic community with possibly

01:46:28.770 --> 01:46:32.990
Gorbachev re-emerging now as an
international leader of the fundamental

01:46:32.990 --> 01:46:36.490
building block for the Pope's New World
Order.

01:46:36.730 --> 01:46:40.650
And the close and intimate personal
relationship between Gorbachev and the

01:46:40.650 --> 01:46:44.750
Pope as well as their relationship in
political thinking.

01:46:45.130 --> 01:46:51.810
And their absolute consensus that Europe
forms the building block for this New

01:46:51.810 --> 01:46:52.510
World Order.

01:46:52.850 --> 01:46:55.410
The thinking is just merging precisely.

01:46:56.490 --> 01:46:58.810
And the whole world wandered after the
beast.

01:46:58.810 --> 01:46:59.610
Yes.

01:47:01.390 --> 01:47:05.290
Now it can be said that everything,
everything which took place in Eastern

01:47:05.290 --> 01:47:08.950
Europe in recent years would have been
impossible without the Pope's efforts.

01:47:09.490 --> 01:47:13.210
Now this tells us how Gorbachev and the
Pope were working to bring about the very

01:47:13.210 --> 01:47:14.090
thing that happened.

01:47:14.370 --> 01:47:18.090
Well, I can't help but believe that the
storm that is taking place as I'm looking

01:47:18.090 --> 01:47:22.370
out the windows of the taping studio right
now and I see the lightning and we hear

01:47:22.370 --> 01:47:25.170
the thunder and the rain coming down in
Taurus.

01:47:25.370 --> 01:47:29.710
I can't help but think that that is a
fitting example of the storm that's now

01:47:29.710 --> 01:47:32.870
going on in our nation, in our world and
in our church.

01:47:32.950 --> 01:47:33.870
What did Ellen White say?

01:47:33.970 --> 01:47:36.590
A storm is coming relentless in its fury.

01:47:36.990 --> 01:47:39.330
Once it hits John there will be no let up.

01:47:39.670 --> 01:47:40.230
Did you hear that?

01:47:40.250 --> 01:47:40.850
Yeah, I heard it.

01:47:41.270 --> 01:47:43.150
Once it comes there will be no let up.

01:47:43.310 --> 01:47:46.490
And it will come like sudden terror as an
overwhelming surprise.

01:47:47.130 --> 01:47:50.670
And we must treasure the hours of peace
that we have to prepare for this.

01:47:50.850 --> 01:47:51.350
Amen, amen.

01:47:51.630 --> 01:47:53.110
Get ready, get ready, get ready.

01:47:54.210 --> 01:47:58.010
The events in Eastern Europe in recent
years would have been impossible without

01:47:58.010 --> 01:48:03.170
the Pope's efforts and the enormous role,
enormous role, including the political

01:48:03.170 --> 01:48:06.190
role which he played in the world arena.

01:48:06.490 --> 01:48:08.930
So now we see, he says, now it can be
told.

01:48:09.430 --> 01:48:13.650
Gorbachev tells us that he and the Pope
were working to bring about the very thing

01:48:13.650 --> 01:48:15.650
to happen in Eastern Europe which
happened.

01:48:15.950 --> 01:48:19.790
Now that is a little, was hard for Western
minds to recognize at first.

01:48:19.890 --> 01:48:24.130
Why would Gorbachev want to preside over
the dissolution of his own Communist

01:48:24.130 --> 01:48:24.590
Party?

01:48:25.110 --> 01:48:27.870
But now it's all coming out that there was
a bigger plan.

01:48:28.270 --> 01:48:33.690
And the bigger plan is to reconstruct all
of this on an international scene and

01:48:33.690 --> 01:48:38.750
possibly bring him in now to head that
political coalition.

01:48:38.930 --> 01:48:39.730
Mind-boggling.

01:48:40.090 --> 01:48:42.050
Just absolutely mind-boggling,
Bob.

01:48:42.510 --> 01:48:46.410
One of Perestroika's especially important
contributions in this regard was the

01:48:46.410 --> 01:48:48.050
passing of a law on freedom of religion.

01:48:48.050 --> 01:48:52.750
I am certain that the actions undertaken
by Pope John Paul II are of immense

01:48:52.750 --> 01:48:53.350
significance.

01:48:53.810 --> 01:48:55.850
I have already spoken of his high
spirituality.

01:48:56.070 --> 01:48:58.010
I was also struck by his human qualities.

01:48:58.530 --> 01:49:00.690
In a word, he is a great man.

01:49:01.130 --> 01:49:05.210
I would not wish to exaggerate,
but it is my impression that the Pope is a

01:49:05.210 --> 01:49:09.270
great source of energy and he elicits a
deep sense of confidence.

01:49:09.770 --> 01:49:15.850
Pope John Paul II will play an enormous
political role now that profound changes

01:49:15.850 --> 01:49:18.610
have occurred in European history.

01:49:19.210 --> 01:49:20.450
That's Gorbachev speaking.

01:49:21.990 --> 01:49:25.730
Now then, what does Pope John Paul II
think of Mr. Gorbachev?

01:49:25.970 --> 01:49:30.410
Quote, It's true, there was something
instinctive between us, as if we had

01:49:30.410 --> 01:49:31.530
already known each other.

01:49:31.970 --> 01:49:33.670
And I know why that was.

01:49:33.790 --> 01:49:36.330
Our meeting had been prepared by
providence.

01:49:36.830 --> 01:49:41.510
He does not profess to be a believer,
but with me I recall he spoke of the great

01:49:41.510 --> 01:49:44.270
importance of prayer and of the inner side
of man's life.

01:49:44.710 --> 01:49:48.030
I truly believe that our meeting was
prepared by providence.

01:49:48.590 --> 01:49:52.030
I believe he is a man committed to
principles and very rich in spiritual

01:49:52.030 --> 01:49:53.990
terms, a charismatic man.

01:49:54.610 --> 01:49:58.290
There are those who are convinced that
economic difficulties were the source of

01:49:58.290 --> 01:50:00.630
the crisis of the communist systems of
Eastern Europe.

01:50:01.070 --> 01:50:03.850
And of course this element was present and
had a certain effect.

01:50:04.150 --> 01:50:06.510
But we must not forget something very
important.

01:50:07.030 --> 01:50:11.390
There was not simply a crisis of
communism, but there was also perestroika.

01:50:12.010 --> 01:50:15.570
And perestroika means, among other things,
conversion.

01:50:16.450 --> 01:50:19.730
That is a Russian term, and it means
conversion.

01:50:20.050 --> 01:50:20.330
Conversion.

01:50:20.630 --> 01:50:23.410
And you see, what did Mary say in the...

01:50:23.410 --> 01:50:25.810
In the whole world, if Russia could be
converted.

01:50:25.990 --> 01:50:29.910
Yeah, the conversion predicted,
Fatima predicted the conversion of Russia,

01:50:30.030 --> 01:50:35.010
and perestroika, the Pope says,
is a word that means conversion.

01:50:35.670 --> 01:50:42.170
Now, Malachi Martin in an interview says,
The EEC, European Economic Community,

01:50:42.610 --> 01:50:43.790
is the power of the future.

01:50:44.370 --> 01:50:47.830
Creating a market of 17 nations with 470
million people.

01:50:48.130 --> 01:50:50.370
And I'm so glad, John, you've jumped in
there.

01:50:50.530 --> 01:50:54.710
You're not only here in Orlando to combat
the city of light, but you've jumped in on

01:50:54.710 --> 01:50:56.550
the superstation in Europe.

01:50:56.970 --> 01:50:59.050
The Lord has been preparing things,
hasn't he?

01:50:59.770 --> 01:51:03.890
It will soon be expanded to the nations of
Eastern Europe and the constituent members

01:51:03.890 --> 01:51:05.530
of what used to be the Soviet Union.

01:51:06.550 --> 01:51:09.870
I'm dropping down now to the next page.

01:51:10.050 --> 01:51:16.730
You've got my... What would happen if I
wrestled with this and dealt with this on

01:51:16.730 --> 01:51:18.090
the European superchannel?

01:51:18.210 --> 01:51:21.270
Can you imagine the impact this would
have?

01:51:21.470 --> 01:51:23.050
Well, John, let me tell you this.

01:51:23.430 --> 01:51:28.690
We have had people sending us editorials
from Northern European nations.

01:51:29.750 --> 01:51:34.410
And in the editorials, they tell how
fearful they are that this European

01:51:34.410 --> 01:51:40.750
economic community is a ploy of the papacy
to reassert its control over Europe like

01:51:40.750 --> 01:51:41.970
it did centuries ago.

01:51:42.510 --> 01:51:45.190
And, of course, let me just grab a book
here, John.

01:51:45.570 --> 01:51:47.130
Well, you've got me thinking, Bob.

01:51:47.330 --> 01:51:50.750
Maybe, you know, I want to preach the
three angels' message.

01:51:50.890 --> 01:51:55.650
And that's the reason that we have
appealed to our people for Props to

01:51:55.650 --> 01:52:00.190
Countdown to be on the 40 million
English-speaking homes of Europe on the

01:52:00.190 --> 01:52:01.990
European superchannel out of London,
England.

01:52:02.450 --> 01:52:06.570
But maybe, under God's providence,
there is a time when I need to expose

01:52:06.570 --> 01:52:07.270
this...

01:52:07.270 --> 01:52:09.910
The rapid, stealthy progress of the papal
power.

01:52:09.930 --> 01:52:12.890
...of the papal power to the people in
Europe.

01:52:13.350 --> 01:52:14.910
I'm open, Bob, I'll tell you.

01:52:15.090 --> 01:52:16.130
I want to do what...

01:52:16.130 --> 01:52:21.850
I want to fulfill the place that God has
for us on the European superchannel and

01:52:21.850 --> 01:52:22.690
around the world.

01:52:22.990 --> 01:52:27.050
This is a book, John, by Penny Larneau,
who is a liberal Roman Catholic.

01:52:27.910 --> 01:52:30.870
Struggle for World Catholicism,
People of God, page 11.

01:52:31.490 --> 01:52:35.530
The Restoration, as John Paul's supporters
call the return to Roman law and order,

01:52:36.010 --> 01:52:40.570
parallels a renewed assertiveness by the
largely reactionary Curia, the Church's

01:52:40.570 --> 01:52:42.230
Roman court and central government.

01:52:42.950 --> 01:52:47.010
Like most bureaucracies, the Curia aims to
maintain its power, which was weakened by

01:52:47.010 --> 01:52:50.470
the papacies of John XXIII and Paul VI.

01:52:50.850 --> 01:52:53.390
John Paul's Vatican longs for the past.

01:52:53.390 --> 01:52:58.390
The Pope wishes to restore an
authoritarian church model based on that

01:52:58.390 --> 01:53:03.370
of the Middle Ages, when the state and its
institutions were uniformly Catholic and

01:53:03.370 --> 01:53:05.620
there was a patriarchal ordering of the
sexes.

01:53:06.630 --> 01:53:11.850
As the Pope told a Polish audience in
1979, to deserve the name at all,

01:53:11.950 --> 01:53:16.150
a civilization must be a Christian,
read Catholic, civilization.

01:53:18.690 --> 01:53:22.410
Well, Bob, I'm looking at the trees
bending out the window and hearing these

01:53:22.410 --> 01:53:25.410
loud claps of thunder, and we're just
going to keep on taping in the midst of

01:53:25.410 --> 01:53:29.270
this storm, and we've got to stand firm in
the midst of the storm.

01:53:29.390 --> 01:53:31.590
I think there's great application there.

01:53:31.910 --> 01:53:31.910
Right.

01:53:32.670 --> 01:53:33.670
Page 17.

01:53:33.890 --> 01:53:38.150
The belief in the perfect society of a
political religious Christendom stems from

01:53:38.150 --> 01:53:41.770
the Middle Ages when the Church was the
guardian of civil and religious

01:53:41.770 --> 01:53:42.410
institutions.

01:53:42.890 --> 01:53:47.670
So, John Paul II, in all of this that
we've been discussing, has as his ultimate

01:53:47.670 --> 01:53:53.330
goal to bring the world back to what it
was like before Martin Luther in Europe?

01:53:54.130 --> 01:53:54.130
Absolutely.

01:53:54.290 --> 01:53:57.990
They want to go back before the Protestant
Reformation.

01:53:58.150 --> 01:54:02.690
They want the world to go back before
Protestantism went rampant through the

01:54:02.690 --> 01:54:02.990
world.

01:54:03.270 --> 01:54:05.630
Okay, back here to the interview,
John.

01:54:06.570 --> 01:54:08.250
Here's Malachi Martin speaking.

01:54:09.410 --> 01:54:15.390
For 73 years, the Soviet Union was ruled
by the Communist Party, composed of 20

01:54:15.390 --> 01:54:20.530
million members of paymasters,
spymasters, executioners, jailers,

01:54:20.750 --> 01:54:23.490
persecutors, spies, and a huge
bureaucracy.

01:54:23.990 --> 01:54:28.490
But with the dissolution of the Soviet
Union and the loss of power by the

01:54:28.490 --> 01:54:32.630
Communists, what has happened to this
gigantic political conspiracy,

01:54:33.150 --> 01:54:37.870
the most ingenious political machine in
history for the control of human beings?

01:54:38.330 --> 01:54:42.990
There were no trials, no executions,
no placing of blame, no justice.

01:54:43.270 --> 01:54:44.350
Did it just blow away?

01:54:44.870 --> 01:54:45.190
No.

01:54:45.980 --> 01:54:48.110
It is still all intact.

01:54:48.390 --> 01:54:51.490
20 million executioners, paymasters,
spies.

01:54:52.970 --> 01:54:57.450
There were 10 cities in the former Soviet
Union that were never marked on a map.

01:54:58.150 --> 01:55:01.490
The inhabitants of those cities could not
leave without special permission,

01:55:01.790 --> 01:55:04.550
and no one could enter without special
permission.

01:55:05.190 --> 01:55:09.530
The reason was that these 10 cities were
engaged in nuclear production and still

01:55:09.530 --> 01:55:10.050
are.

01:55:10.490 --> 01:55:12.430
He's talking in April of 1992.

01:55:13.380 --> 01:55:17.050
There are vague news reports about them,
but where are they?

01:55:17.830 --> 01:55:22.210
Russia still has a powerful army with its
nuclear missiles still pointed at the U.S.

01:55:22.210 --> 01:55:26.950
The Russian Navy is equipped with titanium
hull submarines, and the United States

01:55:26.950 --> 01:55:28.210
still does not have one.

01:55:28.510 --> 01:55:32.090
This hull provides the deepest penetration
for submarine warfare.

01:55:32.830 --> 01:55:40.590
This dangerous thing, these 20 million
strong, most ingenious political machine

01:55:40.590 --> 01:55:44.690
in history for the control of human
beings, this dangerous thing with deadly

01:55:44.690 --> 01:55:50.370
weapons still composed of spies,
paymasters, conspirators, is still alive,

01:55:51.470 --> 01:55:55.290
adapting to change like a chameleon,
but waiting for its chance.

01:55:55.410 --> 01:55:57.010
Just like the Roman papacy.

01:55:58.190 --> 01:56:03.190
And John, when you know what Malachi
Martin has said in The Keys of This Blood

01:56:03.190 --> 01:56:11.610
here about Gramsciism and how this whole
system of the KGB was to be used to

01:56:11.610 --> 01:56:18.770
promote communism in a worldwide scenario,
working through politics, working through

01:56:18.770 --> 01:56:24.870
existing institutions, subtly,
quietly, in a completely different type of

01:56:24.870 --> 01:56:30.930
manner than Stalin did, and that it was
using this kind of machinery to accomplish

01:56:30.930 --> 01:56:31.370
that.

01:56:31.850 --> 01:56:35.090
This will be a tool for the new world
order par excellence.

01:56:36.190 --> 01:56:40.790
Mr. Gorbachev, realizing all this,
Gorbachev knows all this is still in

01:56:40.790 --> 01:56:46.830
place, and he knows that the KGB is like a
chameleon now, just waiting for its

01:56:46.830 --> 01:56:47.250
chance.

01:56:47.610 --> 01:56:49.110
He wisely withdrew.

01:56:49.310 --> 01:56:53.770
But the prospects for Mr. Gorbachev in the
new world order are very bright.

01:56:54.270 --> 01:56:58.990
Once Russia and the members of the
Commonwealth join the EEC, there will be

01:56:58.990 --> 01:57:02.970
the need for a new leader, a moderate,
popular with both sides.

01:57:02.970 --> 01:57:06.690
The headquarters for the new world order
will not be Strasbourg or Brussels,

01:57:06.850 --> 01:57:11.830
but a new thing called the CSCE,
the Council for Security Cooperation of

01:57:11.830 --> 01:57:14.130
Europe, a 35-member organization.

01:57:14.390 --> 01:57:18.990
It will need a new, dynamic head,
acceptable to both sides, and probably Mr.

01:57:19.130 --> 01:57:22.810
Gorbachev will be the head, and thus enter
as the leader of the new world order,

01:57:22.870 --> 01:57:25.070
unless there is an accident of history.

01:57:25.710 --> 01:57:30.890
You can be assured that Gorbachev is going
to come back much more powerful on a

01:57:30.890 --> 01:57:35.650
global scale, and he is going to be one of
the foremost leaders in the, quote,

01:57:35.890 --> 01:57:39.510
new world order that is trying to be
organized.

01:57:40.090 --> 01:57:42.850
Gene Kirkpatrick, former U.S.

01:57:42.990 --> 01:57:47.130
ambassador to the U.N., recently stated in
an editorial that there was an emerging

01:57:47.130 --> 01:57:51.090
new world order, but it was rising up out
of Europe, not Washington, D.C.

01:57:51.690 --> 01:57:57.070
Malachi Martin comments, both Mr. Bush and
Mr. James Baker have said that the United

01:57:57.070 --> 01:58:01.170
States and Europe would establish a new
market structure extending from the

01:58:01.170 --> 01:58:06.350
beaches of California, across Europe and
Asia, to Vladivostok on the China Sea.

01:58:06.890 --> 01:58:12.770
Needed is a new system of financial
exchange, new banking laws, forced upon

01:58:12.770 --> 01:58:16.010
every nation, including ours, for the new
world order, which is just around the

01:58:16.010 --> 01:58:16.270
corner.

01:58:16.870 --> 01:58:20.210
Even though the present Pope may not like
it, he will have to go through with it.

01:58:20.590 --> 01:58:24.290
Mr. Gorbachev seems to be the prime
candidate acceptable to both East and

01:58:24.290 --> 01:58:24.550
West.

01:58:24.910 --> 01:58:28.750
The relationship of the Pope and Gorbachev
is coming along very slowly.

01:58:29.990 --> 01:58:31.770
A few more items here, John.

01:58:34.070 --> 01:58:37.450
Malachi Martin is answering a question
here.

01:58:37.470 --> 01:58:38.130
Here's the question.

01:58:38.550 --> 01:58:42.290
In as much as the new world order is
evidently upon us and it is coming out of

01:58:42.290 --> 01:58:45.650
Europe, do you interpret it to be the
revived Roman Empire?

01:58:45.890 --> 01:58:46.530
Malachi Martin.

01:58:47.150 --> 01:58:48.370
No, I do not.

01:58:48.530 --> 01:58:52.170
It will include all the lands occupied by
the ancient Romans, but the religion will

01:58:52.170 --> 01:58:56.790
not be Christianity or Catholicism,
Buddhism, Islam, Hinduism, or any religion

01:58:56.790 --> 01:58:57.550
known today.

01:58:58.030 --> 01:59:00.590
It already has its own religion,
if we want to call it that.

01:59:00.650 --> 01:59:01.850
It is called the New Age.

01:59:01.930 --> 01:59:06.230
The New Age outlook is based on this,
that all men and all women are brothers

01:59:06.230 --> 01:59:11.510
and sisters and we must turn as a whole
race, regardless of color or religion,

01:59:11.570 --> 01:59:15.790
to join together in building a new world
in which the rights of man will be

01:59:15.790 --> 01:59:20.250
preserved and in which prosperity will be
fostered and in which war will be declared

01:59:20.250 --> 01:59:25.110
impossible and the environment will be
almost deified and sanctified and man will

01:59:25.110 --> 01:59:26.370
build his own earthly home.

01:59:26.510 --> 01:59:30.790
The New Age movement is at this moment
influencing our present policies.

01:59:31.050 --> 01:59:34.150
Have you noticed that in times past they
used to be a little fearful of using the

01:59:34.150 --> 01:59:37.530
term New Age or being affiliated or
associated with New Age in any way,

01:59:37.590 --> 01:59:38.990
but now they are just bold about it.

01:59:39.010 --> 01:59:40.110
They just come right out.

01:59:40.110 --> 01:59:40.810
They are more open.

01:59:40.830 --> 01:59:44.390
Oh, they are just getting real open about
being part of the New Age.

01:59:44.570 --> 01:59:46.170
They just don't make any bones about it
anymore.

01:59:46.470 --> 01:59:46.730
That's right.

01:59:47.390 --> 01:59:49.670
And then the interviewer asked this
question.

01:59:49.790 --> 01:59:54.310
I have noticed Mr. Bush's references to
the New World Order using expressions like

01:59:54.310 --> 01:59:57.170
a hundred points of light or a thousand
points of light.

01:59:57.290 --> 01:59:58.470
This is New Age theology.

01:59:58.810 --> 01:59:59.490
Malachi Martin.

01:59:59.950 --> 02:00:00.750
Of course it is.

02:00:01.210 --> 02:00:04.530
There is a man of whom your readers would
not have heard about by the name of

02:00:04.530 --> 02:00:05.790
Jacques Attali.

02:00:06.210 --> 02:00:07.350
He is a Frenchman.

02:00:07.550 --> 02:00:11.430
He is the head of the European Bank of
Research and Development which is set up

02:00:11.430 --> 02:00:15.850
mainly with American equity to finance the
restructuring of the financial

02:00:15.850 --> 02:00:17.610
institutions of Eastern Europe.

02:00:18.290 --> 02:00:22.350
He is a powerful man and this bank is also
very powerful based in London and Paris.

02:00:22.650 --> 02:00:25.170
It will also be very influential in the
New Europe.

02:00:25.670 --> 02:00:30.430
But if you listen to Attali and read his
material you will discover that he is a

02:00:30.430 --> 02:00:31.750
proponent of euthanasia.

02:00:32.470 --> 02:00:35.190
He is completely a religion, Jewish or
Christian.

02:00:35.370 --> 02:00:39.430
He openly states that once a man reaches
the end of his productivity he should be

02:00:39.430 --> 02:00:41.370
put an end to his life.

02:00:41.870 --> 02:00:43.610
Why waste money and occupy space?

02:00:43.830 --> 02:00:45.810
This is exactly what the Nazis said.

02:00:45.910 --> 02:00:49.670
After a while they said we are so short on
food we can't keep these people going.

02:00:50.190 --> 02:00:54.810
Let's exterminate these people that are
mentally defective or people who are not

02:00:54.810 --> 02:00:56.030
productive for society.

02:00:58.330 --> 02:01:00.490
Well, that's all very interesting.

02:01:01.370 --> 02:01:06.330
I'd like to hit a few more things here,
John, before we get into a historical

02:01:06.330 --> 02:01:06.830
sweep.

02:01:07.850 --> 02:01:16.870
We have had in our church, in our
structured church, a very comprehensive,

02:01:17.890 --> 02:01:25.850
very deep, very broadly based statistical
analysis, a survey that was done recently

02:01:25.850 --> 02:01:27.650
called Value Genesis.

02:01:28.570 --> 02:01:33.830
And as I read the reports of it,
it was very clear to me, immediately I was

02:01:33.830 --> 02:01:34.870
nervous about the term.

02:01:34.870 --> 02:01:36.190
Value Genesis?

02:01:36.490 --> 02:01:37.390
Value Genesis.

02:01:37.690 --> 02:01:39.450
Where does that term come from?

02:01:39.630 --> 02:01:40.630
Is it in the Bible?

02:01:41.390 --> 02:01:44.970
We hear Genesis on a lot of things.

02:01:45.190 --> 02:01:46.290
Value Genesis.

02:01:47.090 --> 02:01:54.790
And it was obvious to me that this was an
attempt to statistically validate the

02:01:54.790 --> 02:01:56.750
coming in of the celebration movement.

02:01:56.810 --> 02:01:59.590
To provide a statistical reason and
rationale.

02:01:59.830 --> 02:02:04.970
The young people need more exciting
services and all of this type of thing.

02:02:04.970 --> 02:02:05.770
Well, we've heard all that before.

02:02:05.870 --> 02:02:11.790
Well, in the book, The Jesuits,
by Malachi Martin, he has a chapter on

02:02:11.790 --> 02:02:13.190
Pierre Teilhard de Chardin.

02:02:13.290 --> 02:02:15.470
And you remember from our last video who
he is.

02:02:15.550 --> 02:02:19.730
He is the main influential figure.

02:02:19.790 --> 02:02:22.070
Even though he's passed away now,
his books live on.

02:02:22.350 --> 02:02:23.070
Loads of books.

02:02:23.110 --> 02:02:26.470
If you go into books in print,
you just see loads of them.

02:02:27.170 --> 02:02:29.550
He is the most influential figure in New
Age.

02:02:30.270 --> 02:02:31.450
He is a Jesuit.

02:02:33.210 --> 02:02:40.050
And in discussing Pierre Teilhard de
Chardin, Malachi Martin is opposed to him.

02:02:40.730 --> 02:02:50.870
And he tells about the type of vocabulary
that Pierre Teilhard de Chardin concocted.

02:02:51.710 --> 02:02:55.050
Here is page 288 in The Jesuits by Malachi
Martin.

02:02:55.050 --> 02:03:00.670
Speaking of Pierre Teilhard de Chardin,
he himself preferred the terms

02:03:00.670 --> 02:03:04.150
cosmogenesis and anthropogenesis.

02:03:04.430 --> 02:03:07.790
His self-made vocabulary was dizzying.

02:03:08.950 --> 02:03:15.050
Amorization, hominization, christogenesis,
christification, pluralization,

02:03:16.610 --> 02:03:18.450
excentration, biogenesis.

02:03:18.610 --> 02:03:19.890
Notice all the genesis words.

02:03:20.170 --> 02:03:25.750
Cosmogenesis, anthropogenesis,
christogenesis, biogenesis are examples of

02:03:25.750 --> 02:03:27.090
a far longer litany.

02:03:28.950 --> 02:03:32.350
And now we have value genesis.

02:03:32.750 --> 02:03:33.850
Where did we get that term?

02:03:34.110 --> 02:03:34.990
Where did we get genesis?

02:03:35.050 --> 02:03:40.150
The only vocabulary that I know of,
and apparently from Malachi Martin,

02:03:40.750 --> 02:03:43.770
a self-concocted vocabulary of Pierre
Teilhard de Chardin.

02:03:43.790 --> 02:03:45.790
And what does genesis imply going back to
the beginning?

02:03:46.730 --> 02:03:52.070
And a change, a genesis, a development,
a creation.

02:03:52.310 --> 02:03:53.010
A creation!

02:03:53.470 --> 02:03:54.550
Sure, a creation.

02:03:54.830 --> 02:04:00.930
And of course, reading here again from
288, what did Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

02:04:00.930 --> 02:04:01.190
believe?

02:04:02.130 --> 02:04:06.710
He says, once individual men and women
appeared on the scene in several disparate

02:04:06.710 --> 02:04:10.190
groups all over the globe, there started a
long last stage of development toward a

02:04:10.190 --> 02:04:14.530
total unity of all individuals in the
omega point of history.

02:04:15.070 --> 02:04:16.810
We are still in the middle of that
development.

02:04:16.810 --> 02:04:21.850
Once complete unity has been achieved,
Christ, who will be the omega point,

02:04:22.170 --> 02:04:22.850
will appear.

02:04:23.410 --> 02:04:27.610
Man will then be more than man,
will be what Teilhard called ultra-human.

02:04:28.230 --> 02:04:32.990
The cosmos will be transformed and the
glory of it all will be established.

02:04:33.590 --> 02:04:38.550
I have here one of Teilhard de Chardin's
books, The Future of Man, where he uses

02:04:38.550 --> 02:04:42.510
those terms, cosmogenesis and
anthropogenesis.

02:04:42.570 --> 02:04:46.830
Well, what was this survey taken by the
General Conference and how does it relate

02:04:46.830 --> 02:04:48.210
to what we're talking about today,
Bob?

02:04:48.410 --> 02:04:51.550
I'm just pointing out where did that term
come from?

02:04:51.670 --> 02:04:52.630
Where do we get this term?

02:04:52.650 --> 02:04:53.630
Well, obviously it's a Jesuit term.

02:04:53.750 --> 02:04:54.570
It's right out of the Jesuits.

02:04:54.570 --> 02:04:56.830
Just like celebration is right out of the
Jesuits.

02:04:56.990 --> 02:05:01.990
The terminology that we are using in the
structure of the Seventh-day Adventist

02:05:01.990 --> 02:05:07.950
hierarchy, almost all of the terms are
right out of Jesuit information,

02:05:08.090 --> 02:05:09.410
right out of Jesuit thought.

02:05:09.510 --> 02:05:10.090
It's amazing.

02:05:10.430 --> 02:05:10.730
That's right.

02:05:12.130 --> 02:05:16.150
We know of nowhere else where these terms
have been coined other than Pierre

02:05:16.150 --> 02:05:17.150
Teilhard de Chardin.

02:05:17.910 --> 02:05:20.370
All these terms with Genesis tacked on the
back.

02:05:20.910 --> 02:05:27.710
I want to get a book here, John,
now and Bob, do you believe that the

02:05:27.710 --> 02:05:30.250
majority of our leadership of the
Seventh-day Adventist Church, our

02:05:30.250 --> 02:05:36.630
Conference leaders, know where this stuff
is coming from or that they are just being

02:05:36.630 --> 02:05:40.690
led as lambs to the slaughter,
sheep to the slaughter, like the laity

02:05:40.690 --> 02:05:40.930
are?

02:05:41.070 --> 02:05:43.530
I think most of them are being led as
lambs to the slaughter.

02:05:43.750 --> 02:05:49.610
They have adopted the principle of laying
aside their own judgment and accepting the

02:05:49.610 --> 02:05:51.650
judgment of the Church, which is a Jesuit
principle.

02:05:51.850 --> 02:05:54.970
And based on that principle, they just
follow blindly along.

02:05:55.090 --> 02:05:57.810
And they are being conditioned as well as
the rest.

02:05:58.030 --> 02:06:04.450
But there is obviously a hard core of
determined individuals somewhere that are

02:06:04.450 --> 02:06:09.290
bringing in these terms, bringing in these
logos, bringing in these concepts and

02:06:09.290 --> 02:06:09.850
articles.

02:06:09.990 --> 02:06:11.210
Some of them we can identify.

02:06:13.130 --> 02:06:20.150
Now, John, I would like to talk a little
bit about what has happened in

02:06:20.150 --> 02:06:28.570
Catholicism, natural law, and a little bit
about family feuds that happen within

02:06:28.570 --> 02:06:29.990
organizations.

02:06:31.810 --> 02:06:37.810
Because I have just picked up a very
interesting book here entitled,

02:06:38.570 --> 02:06:41.770
Born in Blood, The Lost Secrets of
Freemasonry.

02:06:41.930 --> 02:06:43.470
And here the author, John J.

02:06:43.590 --> 02:06:52.350
Robinson, in this book, establishes in
hundreds of pages the connection between

02:06:52.350 --> 02:06:57.290
the Knights Templar, which we talked about
in the last video, and the Masons.

02:06:58.930 --> 02:07:05.290
I'd like to back up far beyond that year
of Earth's history and look at natural law

02:07:05.290 --> 02:07:07.010
now, Roman Catholic natural law.

02:07:07.110 --> 02:07:13.730
We have done a number of issues of
Freedom's Ring on natural law.

02:07:14.770 --> 02:07:19.130
And our last issue dealt with natural law
and the New World Order.

02:07:19.330 --> 02:07:21.250
What issue are you on now in printing?

02:07:22.750 --> 02:07:23.650
Do you have a number?

02:07:24.350 --> 02:07:26.790
Yes, this is volume 3, number 3.

02:07:27.470 --> 02:07:30.610
The April-May issue, Natural Law and the
New World Order.

02:07:30.830 --> 02:07:31.390
1992.

02:07:32.150 --> 02:07:32.930
Right, 1992.

02:07:33.870 --> 02:07:40.350
And this issue, we look at the theory of
Roman Catholic natural law.

02:07:40.470 --> 02:07:49.330
And the more I am studying the theory of
natural law in Catholicism and the history

02:07:49.330 --> 02:07:54.690
of it, it provides a key to understanding
the common denominator.

02:07:54.690 --> 02:08:02.110
It is the common denominator between many
of the activities of Roman Catholicism and

02:08:02.110 --> 02:08:04.450
the family, even though they may feud.

02:08:05.690 --> 02:08:11.270
Roman Catholicism suppressed, the papacy
suppressed the Masons at the insistence of

02:08:11.270 --> 02:08:17.790
the kings of Europe, because the kings
were getting furious at the Templars.

02:08:17.870 --> 02:08:22.090
The Templars were owning so much land and
so much wealth.

02:08:22.090 --> 02:08:27.350
King Philip of France laid a plot against
them.

02:08:28.790 --> 02:08:39.510
And he bided his time and on a Friday the
13th he arrested every every knight

02:08:39.510 --> 02:08:47.070
Templar in his nation at exactly the same
time in the morning of Friday the 13th,

02:08:47.070 --> 02:08:49.310
except for 13 knights Templar.

02:08:49.310 --> 02:08:53.710
And it's believed that much of the
superstition about Friday the 13th harks

02:08:53.710 --> 02:08:54.390
back to that time.

02:08:54.510 --> 02:08:59.470
He burned the Grand Master of the Knights
Templar at the stake.

02:08:59.610 --> 02:09:05.490
But the Knights Templar had been an order
in the Roman Catholic Church that rapidly

02:09:05.490 --> 02:09:11.830
grew and became the most powerful,
probably the most powerful order there in

02:09:11.830 --> 02:09:13.410
the 13th and 14th centuries.

02:09:13.930 --> 02:09:17.590
They went over to the land of Palestine in
the Crusades.

02:09:18.090 --> 02:09:24.170
They made contact with the occult over in
Arabia.

02:09:25.090 --> 02:09:29.510
And that became part of their makeup in
the occult connection.

02:09:29.890 --> 02:09:32.110
And that's where many of their symbols
come from.

02:09:32.950 --> 02:09:37.070
You see the symbols right here on the
front of the book.

02:09:37.930 --> 02:09:43.970
On the back page of this book we read
Historian Robinson persuasively links

02:09:43.970 --> 02:09:49.250
Freemasonry's origins and goals to the
once powerful and wealthy Knights Templar

02:09:49.250 --> 02:09:49.930
order.

02:09:50.510 --> 02:09:54.430
If there is only one book you read
concerning the beginnings of Freemasonry,

02:09:54.490 --> 02:09:56.030
I would highly recommend this one.

02:09:56.110 --> 02:09:57.870
This is from the Montana Masonic News.

02:09:58.290 --> 02:10:02.610
It is a fascinating account of the Knights
Templar after the death of de Molay in

02:10:02.610 --> 02:10:07.670
1313 to the establishment of the Grand
Lodge of England in 1717.

02:10:08.330 --> 02:10:12.550
Basically, in a nutshell, the Knights
Templar had to go underground for

02:10:12.550 --> 02:10:15.330
centuries and came back up.

02:10:15.390 --> 02:10:17.590
And that's one reason for all the secrecy.

02:10:18.130 --> 02:10:23.890
The lodges provided havens when they were
being persecuted after their suppression.

02:10:24.230 --> 02:10:27.090
We want to come back to this later because
this is quite significant.

02:10:27.490 --> 02:10:33.950
But let's go now to the foundations of
Roman Catholic natural law.

02:10:34.130 --> 02:10:38.890
And I'm taking the material for this from
this book Reason Informed by Faith,

02:10:39.050 --> 02:10:42.290
Foundations of Catholic Morality by
Richard M.

02:10:42.390 --> 02:10:43.490
Gula, SS.

02:10:44.710 --> 02:10:49.630
He is a professor of moral theology at St.
Patrick's Seminary in Menlo Park,

02:10:49.730 --> 02:10:50.270
California.

02:10:50.830 --> 02:10:53.810
Holds a PhD from the University of St.
Michael, Toronto.

02:10:55.130 --> 02:11:02.070
And when I began researching, John,
in chapter after chapter, what he tells us

02:11:02.070 --> 02:11:06.950
about natural law, it was absolutely
fascinating.

02:11:08.130 --> 02:11:12.650
Let me bring to you some of the basic
points here and the fundamental concepts

02:11:12.650 --> 02:11:14.070
about natural law.

02:11:14.510 --> 02:11:19.010
He starts right out on page 220 in his
chapter, The Natural Law in Tradition.

02:11:19.690 --> 02:11:23.390
The natural law is central to Roman
Catholic moral theology.

02:11:23.470 --> 02:11:25.990
In other words, it is the central feature.

02:11:26.170 --> 02:11:30.030
It is an essential, fundamental,
central issue.

02:11:30.850 --> 02:11:34.490
It is the kind of reasoning which faith
informs.

02:11:34.930 --> 02:11:39.210
Perhaps the single most characteristic
feature of traditional Catholic morality

02:11:39.210 --> 02:11:44.850
is that the Church can teach a morality
which is applicable always, everywhere,

02:11:45.150 --> 02:11:50.450
and for everyone because it relies on the
natural law as the basis for its teaching.

02:11:51.050 --> 02:11:55.910
In fact, the claim of the Roman Catholic
natural law tradition is that moral

02:11:55.910 --> 02:12:00.870
knowledge is accessible not just to
believers, but to anyone who is willing to

02:12:00.870 --> 02:12:02.850
reflect critically upon human experience.

02:12:03.290 --> 02:12:04.830
Now, do we believe that as Protestants?

02:12:05.110 --> 02:12:06.370
What did Martin Luther say?

02:12:06.810 --> 02:12:12.310
The things of the kingdom are not
understood except to the person who has

02:12:13.550 --> 02:12:21.050
slain reason and who has accepted faith in
the word as his dominant feature of his

02:12:21.050 --> 02:12:21.750
experience.

02:12:21.990 --> 02:12:23.870
Spiritual things are spiritual things.

02:12:23.870 --> 02:12:29.910
But see, here is a natural law that the
unbeliever understands as well as the

02:12:29.910 --> 02:12:30.270
believer.

02:12:30.430 --> 02:12:31.830
So that tells us something right there.

02:12:32.990 --> 02:12:39.210
The advantage of using natural law is that
the Church shows great respect for human

02:12:39.210 --> 02:12:39.650
goodness.

02:12:40.410 --> 02:12:41.530
Now, what does the Bible say?

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Jeremiah 17, 9.

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The human heart is deceitful above all
things and desperately wicked.

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Who can know it?

02:12:49.370 --> 02:12:53.350
And our only righteousness is
righteousness by faith in Christ,

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infinite righteousness.

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But here, the advantage of using natural
law is that the Church shows great respect

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for human goodness and trusts the human
capacity to know and choose what is right.

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And the Jesuits have been renowned about
that for years.

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I mean, everyone knows what good works the
Jesuits do because they do all these

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wonderful things for the poor and for the
homeless and for the destitute that makes

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them wonderful, godly people.

02:13:19.550 --> 02:13:20.890
But that's just not the way it is.

02:13:21.510 --> 02:13:28.330
Does the human being have the unregenerate
man have capacity to know and choose what

02:13:28.330 --> 02:13:30.110
is right, apart from the Holy Spirit?

02:13:30.450 --> 02:13:34.470
That's exactly the same thing that's going
on with celebration in our Church.

02:13:34.890 --> 02:13:36.390
The end justifies the means.

02:13:36.510 --> 02:13:41.550
If it has some type of a religious
connotation, some type of a holy and

02:13:41.550 --> 02:13:43.650
sanctimonious exterior, that must make it
alright.

02:13:44.090 --> 02:13:48.590
Instead of looking at the overall scope of
where it came from or the foundations of

02:13:48.590 --> 02:13:51.890
where this stuff came from and ultimately
where it's heading, it's just,

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does it have a sanctimonious garb to it?

02:13:54.370 --> 02:13:54.670
Yes.

02:13:55.650 --> 02:14:00.490
We know that the human heart is deceitful
above all things and desperately wicked

02:14:00.490 --> 02:14:03.790
and cannot choose what is right without
the aid of the Holy Spirit.

02:14:04.190 --> 02:14:04.190
Absolutely.

02:14:04.790 --> 02:14:12.090
The human heart the carnal heart,
Paul said in Romans 8 is carnal it is an

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enmity with the law of God.

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Look at all the people that are coming to
church though.

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This shows that it's alright because we're
getting all these people coming back to

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church now and the young people need this
music and they need this drama and they

02:14:23.110 --> 02:14:26.910
need all these different things and we
need to know how to get into a person's

02:14:26.910 --> 02:14:29.930
head and manipulate them to get them to
come back to church.

02:14:30.250 --> 02:14:34.210
And so if we use all of these satanic
methods to get people back to church,

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then it's alright.

02:14:35.430 --> 02:14:36.870
The end justifies the means.

02:14:37.390 --> 02:14:40.890
The end justifies the means is fundamental
to Jesuitism, isn't it?

02:14:41.690 --> 02:14:46.530
Also, by means of appealing to natural law
the church can address its discussion and

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claims for the rightness or wrongness of
particular actions to all persons of good

02:14:50.670 --> 02:14:53.570
will, not just to those who share its
religious convictions.

02:14:53.730 --> 02:14:57.110
So natural law is a very broadly based
phenomenon.

02:14:57.750 --> 02:15:02.470
It is considered to be accessible to all
humanity, regenerate or unregenerate.

02:15:03.030 --> 02:15:08.450
It shows great respect for the human
goodness and it trusts the human capacity

02:15:08.450 --> 02:15:09.530
to know and choose what is right.

02:15:09.870 --> 02:15:13.850
Therefore, it's really spiritualistic in
its roots because it doesn't acknowledge

02:15:13.850 --> 02:15:15.030
the fall of man.

02:15:15.470 --> 02:15:19.010
It doesn't acknowledge the depravity of
man in his need for a savior.

02:15:21.150 --> 02:15:25.430
Now, what about the roots of natural law
in antiquity?

02:15:26.010 --> 02:15:27.370
The roots of natural law.

02:15:30.670 --> 02:15:36.830
Joseph Fuchs wrote a major work entitled
Natural Law, a Theological Investigation.

02:15:39.110 --> 02:15:44.330
He maintains that Revelation, that's the
Bible, adds nothing new to what we can

02:15:44.330 --> 02:15:48.130
discover of the material content of
morality through reason.

02:15:48.610 --> 02:15:55.890
Revelation, that's the Bible, what is
revealed by God, adds nothing new to what

02:15:55.890 --> 02:15:59.150
we can discover of the material content of
morality through reason.

02:15:59.570 --> 02:16:05.910
So what Joseph Fuchs here is saying is
that through reason we can understand

02:16:05.910 --> 02:16:10.070
everything we need to know about morality
and the Revelation of the Bible adds

02:16:10.070 --> 02:16:10.910
nothing new to it.

02:16:11.370 --> 02:16:16.850
So you see, reason is the final determiner
of natural law.

02:16:17.570 --> 02:16:19.550
Now, in the book...

02:16:20.350 --> 02:16:22.330
That's the French Revolution, Bob!

02:16:22.610 --> 02:16:24.510
The goddess of reason!

02:16:24.510 --> 02:16:29.010
This is interesting, John, what you
mention here about the French Revolution.

02:16:29.250 --> 02:16:35.150
Because in these books that are emerging,
these men who are researching the Masons,

02:16:35.710 --> 02:16:40.910
they are pointing out how the Masons laid
the groundwork for the French Revolution.

02:16:41.050 --> 02:16:47.390
And how when they would open up a prison
the Masons who were prisoners in there

02:16:47.390 --> 02:16:51.810
would give the secret sign and they would
be spared and the others would oftentimes

02:16:51.810 --> 02:16:53.410
be executed.

02:16:54.130 --> 02:17:00.590
But this matter of reason is so
significant because it, along with

02:17:00.590 --> 02:17:07.150
hierarchism, those two are considered by
Daubigny in his History of the Reformation

02:17:07.150 --> 02:17:11.490
to be the chief great enemies of
Christianity.

02:17:11.690 --> 02:17:12.990
Here it is, 171.

02:17:13.290 --> 02:17:17.830
Christianity has two great adversaries,
hierarchism and rationalism.

02:17:17.830 --> 02:17:19.970
That's the elevation of reason.

02:17:20.350 --> 02:17:24.590
So, notice now, natural law rests upon
what?

02:17:25.290 --> 02:17:25.710
Reason.

02:17:26.210 --> 02:17:26.630
Reason.

02:17:26.810 --> 02:17:28.550
The Bible adds nothing to it.

02:17:29.390 --> 02:17:29.850
Reason.

02:17:30.530 --> 02:17:36.070
And so it is a system that rests upon
rationalism, upon reason.

02:17:37.910 --> 02:17:39.730
Alright, now the Greek influence.

02:17:40.050 --> 02:17:41.970
What impact did the Greeks have?

02:17:42.570 --> 02:17:47.010
The Stoics were the earliest ones to
develop a notion of natural law to a

02:17:47.010 --> 02:17:48.590
significant degree.

02:17:49.290 --> 02:17:53.170
They contributed to the natural law
tradition by emphasizing nature,

02:17:53.250 --> 02:17:58.590
this is page 221, and the moral
requirement to conform to what is given in

02:17:58.590 --> 02:17:58.930
nature.

02:17:59.370 --> 02:18:02.090
Now here you have the ancient Greeks,
the Stoics.

02:18:02.710 --> 02:18:05.670
They believe in the order of nature.

02:18:06.310 --> 02:18:11.510
They emphasize nature and the moral
requirement to conform to what is given in

02:18:11.510 --> 02:18:11.870
nature.

02:18:11.870 --> 02:18:14.550
Does that ring any bells with what we
talked about earlier with the

02:18:14.550 --> 02:18:18.890
environmental concerns and man fitting
into the environment?

02:18:58.990 --> 02:19:03.470
Environmental concerns and man fitting
into the environment.

02:19:03.770 --> 02:19:10.890
You know there is an interesting passage,
John, in Romans where Paul takes up this

02:19:10.890 --> 02:19:11.210
issue.

02:19:12.730 --> 02:19:14.050
Romans, chapter 1.

02:19:15.190 --> 02:19:18.210
You're used to carrying your little Bible
in your coat pocket, aren't you?

02:19:18.350 --> 02:19:20.590
I saw you looking for it there.

02:19:20.790 --> 02:19:24.230
In fact, when I'm in a pinch, that does
better than the big Bible because I know

02:19:24.230 --> 02:19:25.810
what side of the page it's on.

02:19:26.750 --> 02:19:27.190
Okay.

02:19:28.830 --> 02:19:29.770
Here, verse 16.

02:19:29.810 --> 02:19:31.630
I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ.

02:19:31.730 --> 02:19:35.850
See, Paul was contending against this
Greek philosophy.

02:19:35.850 --> 02:19:38.410
Hellenism had spread all across the Roman
Empire.

02:19:39.250 --> 02:19:41.670
He had to contend against the same kind of
thing as we do.

02:19:42.210 --> 02:19:45.710
It was the worship of the environment,
the worship of the creature rather than

02:19:45.710 --> 02:19:46.170
the Creator.

02:19:46.770 --> 02:19:50.950
But Paul says, I am not ashamed of the
gospel of Christ, for it is the power of

02:19:50.950 --> 02:19:55.150
God unto salvation to everyone that
believeth, to the Jew first and also to

02:19:55.150 --> 02:19:55.550
the Greek.

02:19:55.910 --> 02:20:00.650
For therein is the righteousness of God
revealed from faith to faith as it is

02:20:00.650 --> 02:20:02.010
written, the just shall live by faith.

02:20:02.250 --> 02:20:03.690
What do we conform to?

02:20:03.850 --> 02:20:09.210
We conform in our worldview as Christians
to the word of God, to the will of God,

02:20:09.270 --> 02:20:14.030
to the law of God, to the character of
God, not to the order of nature.

02:20:14.570 --> 02:20:19.630
Now, Bob, you've probably already figured
this out, but it just hit me that this

02:20:21.370 --> 02:20:27.530
environmental plan and the thing of
Catholicism being the foundation for this,

02:20:28.030 --> 02:20:30.170
that this is all leading to pantheism.

02:20:30.170 --> 02:20:30.770
Oh, sure.

02:20:30.930 --> 02:20:35.430
Which Ellen White says was a part of the
Alpha Apostasy, and she says the Omega

02:20:35.430 --> 02:20:40.030
would be of a much more startling nature,
that this new age is going to be the

02:20:40.030 --> 02:20:43.510
pantheism that is resurrected in the last
days.

02:20:43.730 --> 02:20:45.490
Exactly, and it's the Omega Christ.

02:20:45.930 --> 02:20:49.550
They talk about the Omega point of verse
history, the Omega Christ.

02:20:50.070 --> 02:20:53.730
The new age, you see, she said,
would be of the same nature, but it would

02:20:53.730 --> 02:20:56.170
be of a much more, it would be much more
startling.

02:20:56.290 --> 02:20:56.610
That's right.

02:20:56.690 --> 02:21:02.090
And so resurgence of pantheism is coming
through new age and the environment where

02:21:02.090 --> 02:21:03.230
God is in everything.

02:21:03.770 --> 02:21:03.910
Yes.

02:21:04.110 --> 02:21:06.610
And you see, then it spreads into our
church.

02:21:06.790 --> 02:21:07.870
That is so clear.

02:21:08.650 --> 02:21:13.390
For the wrath of God is revealed from
heaven against all ungodliness and

02:21:13.390 --> 02:21:18.470
unrighteousness of men who hold the truth
in unrighteousness, because that which may

02:21:18.470 --> 02:21:22.450
be known of God is manifest in them,
for God has showed it unto them.

02:21:22.730 --> 02:21:26.690
For the invisible things of him from the
creation of the world are clearly seen,

02:21:27.090 --> 02:21:30.590
being understood by the things that are
made, even his eternal power and Godhead.

02:21:30.650 --> 02:21:35.850
So the things of nature are designed to
point to God and conformity to God and his

02:21:35.850 --> 02:21:40.110
law, so that they are without excuse,
because that when they knew God,

02:21:40.190 --> 02:21:43.870
they glorified him not as God,
neither were thankful, but became vain in

02:21:43.870 --> 02:21:46.170
their imaginations, and their foolish
heart was darkened.

02:21:46.550 --> 02:21:50.090
Professing themselves to be wise,
they became fools and changed the glory of

02:21:50.090 --> 02:21:55.630
the uncorruptible God into an image made
like to corruptible man and to birds and

02:21:55.630 --> 02:21:59.730
four-footed beasts and creeping things,
so they gave the glory that was due to God

02:21:59.730 --> 02:22:05.530
to the environment, to the creature,
and therefore God also gave them up to

02:22:05.530 --> 02:22:09.030
uncleanness through the lusts of their own
hearts to dishonor their own bodies

02:22:09.030 --> 02:22:14.010
between themselves, who changed the truth
of God into a lie and worshipped and

02:22:14.010 --> 02:22:16.930
served the creature more than the Creator,
who is blessed forever.

02:22:17.230 --> 02:22:22.950
So it's obvious to me that today the
environmentalists are the new proponents

02:22:22.950 --> 02:22:23.950
of pantheism.

02:22:24.170 --> 02:22:32.430
Well, it's this submission to the order of
nature, which is the ancient Stoic concept

02:22:32.430 --> 02:22:36.310
of natural law, which was incorporated
into Roman Catholicism.

02:22:37.390 --> 02:22:44.350
So this idea of conforming to what is
given in nature is very fundamental to

02:22:44.350 --> 02:22:45.510
Roman Catholic natural law.

02:22:45.510 --> 02:22:46.930
They got it from the pagans.

02:22:47.090 --> 02:22:49.110
They got it from the Stoics, from the
Greeks.

02:22:49.770 --> 02:22:53.710
For the Stoics, the goal of philosophy was
to achieve right moral conduct.

02:22:53.890 --> 02:22:54.430
Sounds good.

02:22:54.630 --> 02:22:55.050
Absolutely.

02:22:55.790 --> 02:22:56.730
Sounds wonderful.

02:22:57.350 --> 02:23:00.470
As thoroughgoing materialists,
they believed that the world was an

02:23:00.470 --> 02:23:05.350
interconnected series of events and that
right moral living came with conforming to

02:23:05.350 --> 02:23:07.270
the given world order.

02:23:08.570 --> 02:23:10.130
Don't fool with mother nature.

02:23:10.330 --> 02:23:13.630
It may be taken as their basic moral
imperative.

02:23:13.990 --> 02:23:15.870
Sounds like the environmentalists of
today.

02:23:17.430 --> 02:23:22.930
Abiding by this maxim demands accepting
what is given in nature as it is,

02:23:23.290 --> 02:23:28.210
cooperating with the interconnected
rhythms of life and not attempting to

02:23:28.210 --> 02:23:31.050
control or shape nature to fit a personal
goal.

02:23:33.270 --> 02:23:36.370
Any talk of self-direction would make no
sense to the Stoics.

02:23:36.510 --> 02:23:39.730
Since the given order of events will
ultimately assert themselves according to

02:23:39.730 --> 02:23:44.110
their own design anyway, the human task is
simply to capitulate to what is given.

02:23:44.830 --> 02:23:48.670
Aristotle influenced the natural law
tradition, especially in St. Thomas.

02:23:48.750 --> 02:23:52.390
Now, St. Thomas was the greatest
systematic theologian the Roman Catholic

02:23:52.390 --> 02:23:53.310
Church ever had.

02:23:55.090 --> 02:23:59.630
The law of nature is the orientation of
all beings toward their perfection.

02:24:00.470 --> 02:24:05.630
Since the specific nature of humans is
rationality, reason, morally good actions

02:24:05.630 --> 02:24:10.750
would be those which are rationally
directed toward the full actualization of

02:24:10.750 --> 02:24:11.890
human potential.

02:24:13.630 --> 02:24:14.690
So what is it?

02:24:14.750 --> 02:24:17.350
Now, that's a very significant thing for
natural law.

02:24:18.330 --> 02:24:19.490
Let me read that again.

02:24:19.810 --> 02:24:24.010
The law of nature is the orientation of
all beings toward their perfection.

02:24:24.710 --> 02:24:31.050
Since the specific nature of humans is
rationality, reason, morally good actions

02:24:31.050 --> 02:24:35.090
would be those which are rationally
directed toward the full actualization of

02:24:35.090 --> 02:24:35.830
human potential.

02:24:36.090 --> 02:24:41.770
Now, this concept of human potential is
very fundamental in psychology.

02:24:42.470 --> 02:24:44.630
Achieving your full potential.

02:24:45.030 --> 02:24:47.150
I remember a professor that I had.

02:24:47.830 --> 02:24:49.270
You're having courses in our churches.

02:24:49.370 --> 02:24:50.330
What do you mean, Bob?

02:24:50.450 --> 02:24:53.670
How to fulfill your potential to know your
spiritual gift.

02:24:54.050 --> 02:24:58.350
That's why all of these seminars are being
held in our churches across the nation on

02:24:58.350 --> 02:25:02.390
finding out what your spiritual gifts are
so that you can go along with this same

02:25:02.390 --> 02:25:04.830
concept of being into your full potential.

02:25:04.950 --> 02:25:06.150
It sounds very good.

02:25:06.310 --> 02:25:07.190
Very pious.

02:25:07.310 --> 02:25:12.270
I had a professor, John, who spoke about
this issue of achieving your full

02:25:12.270 --> 02:25:13.830
potential being the main goal.

02:25:13.950 --> 02:25:19.690
And if your current mate doesn't help out
with that, maybe some adjustment needs to

02:25:19.690 --> 02:25:20.430
be made there.

02:25:21.490 --> 02:25:22.310
Like getting a new one?

02:25:22.590 --> 02:25:25.630
Well, he did just that two months after
class.

02:25:26.130 --> 02:25:31.870
He was going around training the ministers
all over North America in marriage

02:25:31.870 --> 02:25:32.510
enrichment.

02:25:32.830 --> 02:25:34.550
Marriage encounter seminars.

02:25:34.830 --> 02:25:37.430
Training the ministers how to enrich
marriage.

02:25:37.610 --> 02:25:39.350
Training the ministers how to do this.

02:25:39.430 --> 02:25:41.330
And he enriched his marriage by getting a
new wife.

02:25:41.370 --> 02:25:44.830
He came on a flight back to Andrews.

02:25:45.430 --> 02:25:47.790
Fell into conversation with a woman
sitting next to him.

02:25:47.870 --> 02:25:50.270
By the end of the flight, they decided
they wanted to spend the rest of their

02:25:50.270 --> 02:25:50.930
life together.

02:25:51.330 --> 02:25:52.890
He left his wife and two kids.

02:25:53.390 --> 02:25:54.730
That's a way to enrich your marriage.

02:25:56.270 --> 02:26:03.030
And by the way, a physician friend of mine
called me a few weeks ago and he was

02:26:03.030 --> 02:26:05.870
talking to me for about an hour or two on
the phone one Sunday.

02:26:06.390 --> 02:26:09.670
He said, Bob, we had friends who were at a
convention.

02:26:10.950 --> 02:26:11.730
Adventist friends.

02:26:11.930 --> 02:26:14.630
And they went into a booth run by Roman
Catholics.

02:26:15.430 --> 02:26:17.930
And when the Roman Catholics found out
they were Seventh-day Adventists,

02:26:17.970 --> 02:26:19.710
they said, Oh, you're Seventh-day
Adventists.

02:26:20.050 --> 02:26:24.910
We have a workshop that we designed for
your church.

02:26:25.190 --> 02:26:26.230
And they said, Oh, really?

02:26:26.290 --> 02:26:26.750
What is it?

02:26:27.110 --> 02:26:30.350
It's the Marriage Enrichment, the Marriage
Encounter Workshop.

02:26:30.370 --> 02:26:33.330
Oh, the Marriage Encounter Workshop that
all the Constantines are promoting.

02:26:33.590 --> 02:26:33.790
Yes.

02:26:33.910 --> 02:26:34.410
Why, sure.

02:26:34.410 --> 02:26:36.310
And that was designed by the Roman
Catholics?

02:26:36.530 --> 02:26:40.270
So after this phone conversation,
this doctor, who is very knowledgeable in

02:26:40.270 --> 02:26:41.550
all of this New Age stuff.

02:26:41.610 --> 02:26:43.710
He's a personal friend of Constance Comby.

02:26:44.470 --> 02:26:52.590
He got on the phone and he called the
Marriage Encounter Center in his area and

02:26:52.590 --> 02:26:55.950
talked to them and said, Where did this,
where was this developed?

02:26:56.130 --> 02:26:57.190
Where did it come from?

02:26:57.450 --> 02:26:59.490
The Marriage Enrichment, Marriage
Encounter Program.

02:27:00.470 --> 02:27:06.830
And they said it was developed by a
Spanish priest in Spain in 1963.

02:27:07.810 --> 02:27:13.690
One year after Vatican II, a Catholic
priest in Spain develops a workshop.

02:27:14.090 --> 02:27:17.390
The Marriage Enrichment Workshop that are
being used and promoted today in the

02:27:17.390 --> 02:27:18.450
Seventh-day Adventist Church.

02:27:18.830 --> 02:27:19.090
Yeah.

02:27:20.830 --> 02:27:21.190
Okay.

02:27:22.150 --> 02:27:23.570
The Roman influence.

02:27:24.790 --> 02:27:29.850
Whereas the Greeks emphasized nature,
the Romans emphasized the law of the

02:27:29.850 --> 02:27:30.550
natural order.

02:27:30.930 --> 02:27:32.990
They wanted to establish political order.

02:27:33.630 --> 02:27:38.810
And they spoke of natural law as the
innate power of reason to direct action.

02:27:38.910 --> 02:27:41.250
Notice this whole thing has a pagan base.

02:27:41.630 --> 02:27:43.790
The ancient Greeks, ancient Romans.

02:27:44.170 --> 02:27:48.390
To live according to the law given in
nature is to live according to what reason

02:27:48.390 --> 02:27:48.950
commands.

02:27:50.590 --> 02:27:56.610
And then the author here goes through a
number of Romans that were significant in

02:27:56.610 --> 02:28:00.510
developing this concept of natural law.

02:28:01.290 --> 02:28:05.110
And he comes down to the jurist,
the Roman jurist, Ulpian.

02:28:06.670 --> 02:28:15.110
And Ulpian taught natural law as being
what nature has taught all animals.

02:28:15.850 --> 02:28:21.490
This law is not peculiar to humans but is
the generic rule of action common to

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humans and to animals.

02:28:23.390 --> 02:28:28.570
In this sense natural law comes close to
the idea of animal instinct.

02:28:28.870 --> 02:28:32.270
Now can you think this is page 222,
223.

02:28:32.630 --> 02:28:41.250
Can you think, John, of anyone in modern
times who has studied instinct as a key to

02:28:41.250 --> 02:28:43.530
understanding the human mind?

02:28:43.830 --> 02:28:44.570
What about Freud?

02:28:45.290 --> 02:28:46.250
Sigmund Freud, absolutely.

02:28:46.250 --> 02:28:47.110
What did he say?

02:28:47.590 --> 02:28:52.230
He said that the sexual drive or instinct
Everything was sexual.

02:28:52.430 --> 02:28:52.630
Yes.

02:28:52.710 --> 02:28:53.410
Sigmund Freud.

02:28:53.950 --> 02:29:02.030
So you see how this basic concept of
Ulpian in Roman jurisprudence,

02:29:02.170 --> 02:29:09.490
his law of nature concept was that it is
the generic rule of action common to

02:29:09.490 --> 02:29:10.970
animals and to man.

02:29:11.330 --> 02:29:15.050
In this sense natural law comes close to
the idea of animal instinct.

02:29:15.770 --> 02:29:20.650
Ulpian's understanding of nature leads to
identifying the human with animal

02:29:20.650 --> 02:29:23.130
structures tendencies and behaviors.

02:29:23.330 --> 02:29:25.670
That is the foundation of our modern
psychology.

02:29:26.510 --> 02:29:32.310
And you combine that with the other
dimension of the human potential movement

02:29:32.310 --> 02:29:36.030
the human potential concept of modern
psychology.

02:29:36.990 --> 02:29:38.210
And what do you have?

02:29:38.350 --> 02:29:44.550
Modern psychology rests upon the same
foundation base as Roman Catholic natural

02:29:44.550 --> 02:29:44.570
law.

02:29:44.590 --> 02:29:45.650
Modern psychoanalysts.

02:29:45.670 --> 02:29:46.150
Absolutely.

02:29:46.510 --> 02:29:51.210
What did Ellen White have to say about
psychology at the end of time?

02:29:51.310 --> 02:29:57.130
She said hypnotism and psychology would
work marvelously upon the last generation

02:29:57.130 --> 02:29:58.950
just before the close of probation.

02:29:58.950 --> 02:30:00.270
Don't we see that happening?

02:30:00.950 --> 02:30:12.450
And John the church growth movement I one
time had as part of a faculty to analyze a

02:30:12.450 --> 02:30:20.930
potentially new faculty member who was at
that time a professor at the seminary and

02:30:20.930 --> 02:30:25.530
he was teaching church growth and he
brought all of his materials and he spread

02:30:25.530 --> 02:30:27.370
them out and we spent all day long.

02:30:27.970 --> 02:30:33.970
And I immediately picked up as soon as I
saw the materials they were all talking

02:30:33.970 --> 02:30:38.890
about Freud and Carl Rogers and all of
these men.

02:30:39.110 --> 02:30:44.750
By the way let me just grab a book here
entitled Psychoheresy.

02:30:44.810 --> 02:30:45.930
You can get it from the ABC.

02:30:46.230 --> 02:30:50.230
You can order this It's amazing how much
of this stuff you can get from the ABC

02:30:50.230 --> 02:30:51.370
That's what's so frightening.

02:30:51.630 --> 02:30:56.270
Well this thing fortunately exposes the
psychology of our day.

02:30:57.310 --> 02:31:04.410
But this book written by Martin and Dieter
Bobgen tells us at the very beginning of

02:31:04.410 --> 02:31:12.870
the book how the men who have founded our
modern psychology that's Freud and Rogers

02:31:13.430 --> 02:31:21.530
and Carl Jung were all deeply into the
occult.

02:31:22.190 --> 02:31:24.270
All of them were deeply into the occult.

02:31:25.350 --> 02:31:31.670
And Carl Jung even had his own personal
familiar spirit by the name of Philemon.

02:31:32.750 --> 02:31:39.590
These are the dominant men who have shaped
our psychology.

02:31:39.930 --> 02:31:45.250
And John just think of the extent and
influence of psychology today.

02:31:45.830 --> 02:31:51.690
Through psychology the gospel has been
destroyed in our ministry.

02:31:52.190 --> 02:31:58.990
The psychology of church growth and this
man that we were analyzing all day that

02:31:58.990 --> 02:32:07.390
day with his church growth concepts that
rested upon Freud and Rogers and these

02:32:07.390 --> 02:32:08.410
psychologists.

02:32:08.610 --> 02:32:13.870
He wanted to make all the members of the
church mini-counselors who were trained in

02:32:13.870 --> 02:32:15.210
all of this psychology.

02:32:15.350 --> 02:32:20.070
That's the whole purpose of labs 1 and 2
of calling and caring ministries is

02:32:20.070 --> 02:32:23.650
because they want to make everybody
counselors and psychoanalysts and be able

02:32:23.650 --> 02:32:25.230
to get inside people's heads.

02:32:25.430 --> 02:32:26.810
It's modern psychology.

02:32:27.090 --> 02:32:34.930
But John it is just unbelievable when you
realize that the concepts of this modern

02:32:34.930 --> 02:32:38.410
psychology rests upon Roman Catholic
natural law.

02:32:39.310 --> 02:32:46.810
Reason being the foundation and the idea
of looking at the instincts of man looking

02:32:46.810 --> 02:32:49.730
at the mind of man fitting into the order
of nature.

02:32:50.090 --> 02:32:56.250
These concepts have replaced Christianity
in our ministry.

02:32:56.690 --> 02:32:58.310
And that's one of our fundamental
problems.

02:32:58.450 --> 02:33:04.590
And in this way through these natural law
concepts Roman Catholicism has destroyed

02:33:04.590 --> 02:33:05.210
our ministry.

02:33:05.410 --> 02:33:09.710
And they're sending all of our pastors and
assisting our pastors take courses in

02:33:09.710 --> 02:33:12.290
psychology for marriage counseling and all
this kind of stuff.

02:33:12.490 --> 02:33:18.650
And they're getting into all this modern
psychoanalysts and stuff from Freud and

02:33:18.650 --> 02:33:19.370
all of these guys.

02:33:19.570 --> 02:33:25.470
And how can our men who are supposedly
called to the ministry be studying and

02:33:25.470 --> 02:33:30.290
getting into all of this psychology and
still keep their minds clear for the

02:33:30.290 --> 02:33:31.130
preaching of the gospel?

02:33:31.290 --> 02:33:32.530
It's impossible, Bob.

02:33:32.530 --> 02:33:33.210
You can't do it.

02:33:33.370 --> 02:33:34.930
The two do not mix.

02:33:35.250 --> 02:33:36.630
They're incompatible.

02:33:36.830 --> 02:33:38.210
They're mutually exclusive.

02:33:38.450 --> 02:33:39.810
I've got to get something else here,
John.

02:33:40.390 --> 02:33:42.070
I picked up this book recently.

02:33:42.630 --> 02:33:44.170
Actually, this is one of two volumes.

02:33:44.310 --> 02:33:45.430
Both of them are this thick.

02:33:46.290 --> 02:33:50.030
A New Critique of Theoretical Thought by
Herman Deweyweird.

02:33:50.650 --> 02:33:52.010
We quoted from him last time.

02:33:52.130 --> 02:33:53.810
We quoted from Deweyweird last time.

02:33:53.930 --> 02:34:02.510
This man is a very profound man and he
tells us in here how he's a professor of

02:34:02.510 --> 02:34:03.710
philosophy of law.

02:34:04.250 --> 02:34:10.890
This whole set of books is entitled A New
Critique of Theoretical Thought.

02:34:11.290 --> 02:34:16.730
And what he does is he tears apart all
this modern philosophy and says it is not

02:34:16.730 --> 02:34:17.250
Christian.

02:34:17.690 --> 02:34:17.830
Amen.

02:34:18.330 --> 02:34:22.770
And that the human heart, you know,
at the root of what he is saying is the

02:34:22.770 --> 02:34:29.290
human heart has been built by God with a
religious orientation, with an orientation

02:34:29.290 --> 02:34:31.810
to God that cannot be denied.

02:34:32.030 --> 02:34:33.570
It cannot be destroyed.

02:34:33.710 --> 02:34:36.130
It is part of the makeup of man.

02:34:36.710 --> 02:34:41.990
And therefore true religion, veritable
religion, is absolute self-surrender to

02:34:41.990 --> 02:34:42.390
God.

02:34:42.710 --> 02:34:45.250
And God has to be God.

02:34:45.430 --> 02:34:47.690
He is beyond the creation.

02:34:47.970 --> 02:34:49.610
He is the absolute one.

02:34:49.910 --> 02:34:52.970
And we have to surrender absolutely to
Him.

02:34:53.090 --> 02:34:58.030
And if we fail to do that, we surrender to
our idols because we make something that

02:34:58.030 --> 02:34:59.730
is relative absolute.

02:35:00.050 --> 02:35:00.930
That's idolatry.

02:35:00.990 --> 02:35:01.890
That's idolatry.

02:35:02.330 --> 02:35:03.310
That is idolatry.

02:35:04.150 --> 02:35:11.110
And you see, one of the great dangers and
the thing that many people are mixed up in

02:35:11.110 --> 02:35:18.710
now is if you make something your ground
point of reference, your starting point,

02:35:19.030 --> 02:35:21.810
your reference point, that is your God,
you see.

02:35:21.810 --> 02:35:25.510
And God must be that through His Word to
us.

02:35:26.290 --> 02:35:31.630
And if we fail to make God our reference
point in absolute surrender, we wind up

02:35:31.630 --> 02:35:35.210
making something else absolute,
such as church structure being the norm,

02:35:35.310 --> 02:35:36.070
the reference point.

02:35:36.530 --> 02:35:41.430
Making the church manual your basis is a
form of idolatry.

02:35:41.450 --> 02:35:42.130
Of course it is.

02:35:42.310 --> 02:35:43.570
Idolatry, pure and simple.

02:35:43.990 --> 02:35:47.230
And these people who go around using the
church manual, our church leadership,

02:35:47.370 --> 02:35:51.090
going around using the church manual as
their basis for doing anything,

02:35:51.510 --> 02:35:53.290
it's idolatry, pure and simple.

02:35:53.390 --> 02:35:58.730
Anytime the Word of God and inspiration
ceases to be your basis, it's idolatry.

02:35:59.050 --> 02:36:03.790
And you see, back in the 1880s,
our general conference men voted to never

02:36:03.790 --> 02:36:05.250
ever have a church manual.

02:36:05.410 --> 02:36:09.550
And because they knew that this very thing
would happen, that one day it would be

02:36:09.550 --> 02:36:11.350
exalted above the Word of God.

02:36:11.510 --> 02:36:15.830
What were God's people, God's professed
people, guilty of at the time of Mount

02:36:15.830 --> 02:36:16.250
Carmel?

02:36:17.030 --> 02:36:17.350
Idolatry.

02:36:17.610 --> 02:36:20.270
We are repeating the history of ancient
Israel.

02:36:20.570 --> 02:36:25.290
We are just as guilty of idolatry in 1992
in the 7th Avenue church as they were at

02:36:25.290 --> 02:36:26.690
the time of Elijah and Mount Carmel.

02:36:27.110 --> 02:36:27.430
That's right.

02:36:27.890 --> 02:36:28.430
Exactly.

02:36:29.250 --> 02:36:34.490
Well, looking on here in the development
of the thinking and natural law,

02:36:34.990 --> 02:36:40.910
we've looked at Ulpian who identified the
human with animal structures, tendencies,

02:36:41.110 --> 02:36:41.750
and behaviors.

02:36:41.750 --> 02:36:48.970
And we've seen how this concept forms the
foundation for modern psychology,

02:36:49.130 --> 02:36:53.110
particularly Freud, which orients human
behavior to animal structures,

02:36:53.610 --> 02:36:58.150
tendencies, behaviors, and instincts,
rather than relating man to the image of

02:36:58.150 --> 02:36:59.830
God and submission to His Word.

02:37:01.530 --> 02:37:06.570
Under Ulpian, natural law now takes on a
physicalist cast whereby the natural moral

02:37:06.570 --> 02:37:11.630
order becomes identified with the
properties, operations, and goals of the

02:37:11.630 --> 02:37:14.590
natural or given structures of physical
animal life.

02:37:14.650 --> 02:37:20.330
So see, natural law looks at the
structures of animal life as a source for

02:37:20.330 --> 02:37:21.270
determining law.

02:37:21.730 --> 02:37:26.050
According to such a view, the moral act
becomes identified with the physical act

02:37:26.050 --> 02:37:28.450
which corresponds to animal processes.

02:37:28.850 --> 02:37:32.350
So notice how morality then becomes tied
in.

02:37:32.790 --> 02:37:40.070
It becomes the instincts of the human
being become the norm for morality rather

02:37:40.070 --> 02:37:41.090
than the Word of God.

02:37:42.090 --> 02:37:49.370
This is an extremely dangerous
development, you see, in the order of

02:37:49.370 --> 02:37:49.650
nature.

02:37:50.110 --> 02:37:54.670
By the High Middle Ages, two strains,
and this is quoting out of this book by

02:37:54.670 --> 02:37:57.370
Gula, Reason and Form by Faith.

02:37:57.410 --> 02:38:02.110
By the High Middle Ages, two strains of
interpretation dominated the natural law

02:38:02.110 --> 02:38:02.470
tradition.

02:38:02.650 --> 02:38:07.610
One, the order of nature, identified with
the Stoics and Ulpian, focused on the

02:38:07.610 --> 02:38:11.790
physical and biological structures given
in nature as the source of morality.

02:38:12.070 --> 02:38:14.030
So what does it do for its ground point?

02:38:14.090 --> 02:38:15.030
It doesn't go to God.

02:38:15.390 --> 02:38:20.870
It goes to the physical and biological
structures in nature as the source of

02:38:20.870 --> 02:38:21.450
morality.

02:38:21.970 --> 02:38:25.950
The other, the order of reason,
identified with Aristotle, Cicero,

02:38:26.050 --> 02:38:32.230
and Gaius, focused on the human capacity
to discover in experience what befits

02:38:32.230 --> 02:38:33.450
human well-being.

02:38:33.650 --> 02:38:36.850
So there, in this strain, there's two
strains of natural law.

02:38:37.070 --> 02:38:43.490
In this second strain, the individual
using reason looks at human experience to

02:38:43.490 --> 02:38:48.910
determine what befits human well-being,
what is good for human well-being.

02:38:49.550 --> 02:38:54.910
St. Thomas Aquinas, that's the greatest
systematic theologian of the Roman

02:38:54.910 --> 02:38:57.170
Catholic Church, accepted both strains.

02:38:57.730 --> 02:39:01.710
Since his teaching is the seminal
influence on the traditional Catholic use

02:39:01.710 --> 02:39:06.010
of natural law, subsequent Catholic
theology has been influenced by both

02:39:06.010 --> 02:39:08.330
interpretations as well.

02:39:09.070 --> 02:39:15.210
Okay, Thomas Aquinas' concept about
natural law was this two-pronged concept,

02:39:15.470 --> 02:39:20.910
John, and the idea is that humans
participate in eternal law by reason.

02:39:21.010 --> 02:39:28.090
There's that dominant reason again,
and that we find out what natural law is

02:39:28.090 --> 02:39:31.650
by discovering what being human really
means, you see.

02:39:32.030 --> 02:39:39.130
Notice it doesn't refer us to the Lord,
it refers us to what does it mean to be

02:39:39.130 --> 02:39:39.650
really human?

02:39:39.870 --> 02:39:42.290
You know, your idea of that might be
something completely different.

02:39:43.610 --> 02:39:49.070
But reason is to be used in determining
what being really human means.

02:39:50.230 --> 02:39:50.770
And therefore...

02:39:50.770 --> 02:39:52.010
I wish I had the quote.

02:39:52.150 --> 02:39:56.490
I think it's from either six testimonies
or nine testimonies where Ellen White says

02:39:56.490 --> 02:40:03.030
that the very same things that brought
about the French Revolution will happen

02:40:03.030 --> 02:40:05.010
once again, just before Christ comes.

02:40:05.050 --> 02:40:05.450
That's right.

02:40:06.730 --> 02:40:11.070
In the Thomistic perspective, that's
Thomas Aquinas, doing good is following

02:40:11.070 --> 02:40:14.730
reason's lead to actualize human
potential.

02:40:14.870 --> 02:40:18.450
There's your modern psychology concept.

02:40:19.490 --> 02:40:23.730
Evil is whatever frustrates or prohibits
that full realization.

02:40:24.410 --> 02:40:28.270
So the individual has to actualize their
full potential.

02:40:29.070 --> 02:40:33.090
This fundamental norm does not give
content for action, but it does indicate a

02:40:33.090 --> 02:40:36.570
basic disposition we ought to have,
according to Thomas.

02:40:37.250 --> 02:40:42.570
It encourages us to become who we are by
acting in a way that would actualize our

02:40:42.570 --> 02:40:43.010
potential.

02:40:43.430 --> 02:40:46.430
That idea comes through over and over
again.

02:40:47.150 --> 02:40:51.970
Aquinas then moves on to the specific
norms of natural law based on the natural

02:40:51.970 --> 02:40:52.970
inclinations.

02:40:54.250 --> 02:40:58.290
Now, would you like law based on natural
inclinations of the human heart?

02:40:58.470 --> 02:40:58.990
Terrifying.

02:40:59.630 --> 02:41:01.970
That's what Nazism had.

02:41:02.150 --> 02:41:06.090
The origin of our specific moral
obligations lies in these natural

02:41:06.090 --> 02:41:10.790
inclinations, which give content to the
fundamental requirement to do good and

02:41:10.790 --> 02:41:11.570
avoid evil.

02:41:11.570 --> 02:41:16.990
The practical reason perceives the natural
inclinations in human beings in the form

02:41:16.990 --> 02:41:18.530
of moral imperatives.

02:41:18.710 --> 02:41:25.290
So the natural inclinations in people
become moral imperatives which become the

02:41:25.290 --> 02:41:27.150
concrete conclusions of natural law.

02:41:27.470 --> 02:41:32.250
So on the one hand, basic, just to
summarize it and encapsulate it,

02:41:32.290 --> 02:41:36.330
on the one hand, John, we have the order
of nature concept with these environmental

02:41:36.330 --> 02:41:40.070
type of thing of fitting into the
environment, fitting into nature,

02:41:40.250 --> 02:41:42.170
fitting, conforming to nature.

02:41:42.510 --> 02:41:46.170
On the other hand, we have the order of
reason concept of natural law,

02:41:46.350 --> 02:41:53.830
which uses reason to evaluate what being
truly human really means, and the good is

02:41:53.830 --> 02:41:58.410
what actually promotes the full potential
of the human being.

02:41:58.510 --> 02:42:01.130
Now, what if someone else stands in the
way of your full potential?

02:42:01.410 --> 02:42:02.590
And you exterminate them.

02:42:02.650 --> 02:42:08.330
That is exactly what, when you look at
Nazism, John, what did Hitler say?

02:42:08.590 --> 02:42:10.410
And that's National Socialism.

02:42:11.090 --> 02:42:15.910
He said, the Aryan peoples have to
actualize their full potential.

02:42:16.130 --> 02:42:23.710
In other words, we have to become the
master race, we have to achieve our full

02:42:23.710 --> 02:42:26.070
potential and let nothing stand in our
way.

02:42:26.710 --> 02:42:28.010
Okay, there's your order of reason.

02:42:28.870 --> 02:42:33.830
On the other hand, in order to accomplish
that, the order of nature natural law had

02:42:33.830 --> 02:42:38.170
to be obeyed by biological purity,
racial purity.

02:42:38.730 --> 02:42:44.730
You see, the subhuman races that stand in
the way that are inferior have to go so

02:42:44.730 --> 02:42:50.370
they don't adulterate the blood of this
master race and so we can bear children

02:42:50.370 --> 02:42:52.410
who are in the image of the Lord.

02:42:52.450 --> 02:42:53.730
That's right out of Mein Kampf.

02:42:54.770 --> 02:43:00.850
So you see, the two strains that Thomas
Aquinas accepted in Roman Catholic law are

02:43:00.850 --> 02:43:05.290
really the basis of National Socialism in
Germany, that whole movement.

02:43:05.490 --> 02:43:10.150
And that even beyond the Argentine
government releasing papers showing the

02:43:10.150 --> 02:43:14.530
connection between the Vatican and Nazism
and what we know about the concordat

02:43:14.530 --> 02:43:21.450
between the Pope and Hitler and Mussolini
and Franco and the escape routes at the

02:43:21.450 --> 02:43:22.530
end over the Alps.

02:43:22.910 --> 02:43:28.350
Natural law is the basic philosophical
premise of National Socialism.

02:43:28.750 --> 02:43:34.750
Now, when the Jesuits say they want to
take a nation like America that was once

02:43:34.750 --> 02:43:40.650
steeped in the absolutes of Protestant
morality, shifting it through relativism

02:43:40.650 --> 02:43:46.630
and then bringing it into natural law,
that is astounding when you look at

02:43:46.630 --> 02:43:47.050
history.

02:43:47.490 --> 02:43:53.070
Look at the developments that have
happened in the 20th century based on

02:43:53.070 --> 02:43:57.710
natural law and these natural inclinations
becoming moral imperatives.

02:43:57.950 --> 02:44:03.710
You can see that in the philosophy and the
thinking and the ideology of National

02:44:03.710 --> 02:44:08.070
Socialism, of Nazism.

02:44:08.190 --> 02:44:12.270
They wanted to go back to their primitive
roots, their primitive drives,

02:44:12.650 --> 02:44:17.370
the primitive Teutonic drives,
you see, and nothing was to stand in the

02:44:17.370 --> 02:44:17.970
way of that.

02:44:18.610 --> 02:44:22.510
So, natural law when you understand those
two dimensions.

02:44:22.650 --> 02:44:28.210
Now, in more recent times, natural law in
Catholicism has tended to emphasize the

02:44:28.210 --> 02:44:30.350
order of reason aspect of it.

02:44:30.690 --> 02:44:34.730
And psychology has tended to emphasize the
order of reason, exploring human

02:44:34.730 --> 02:44:43.010
experience to see what is the what will
develop the human potential to the

02:44:43.010 --> 02:44:43.370
ultimate.

02:44:44.050 --> 02:44:49.510
And so we have different emphases and
different shifts at different periods in

02:44:49.510 --> 02:44:53.650
Roman Catholic history but really we see
the two of them emerging again in

02:44:53.650 --> 02:45:00.010
psychology as well as in the environmental
concerns, forming a basis, a platform by

02:45:00.010 --> 02:45:04.890
which all peoples, whether regenerate or
unregenerate, can find a common bond,

02:45:05.010 --> 02:45:09.990
a common linkage for interdependence,
globalism, collectivism, everybody coming

02:45:09.990 --> 02:45:11.050
together in unity.

02:45:11.370 --> 02:45:13.790
What could be more important than saving
the world?

02:45:13.790 --> 02:45:15.430
Saving our planet.

02:45:15.590 --> 02:45:22.490
If there's anything that will unite the
world, it's this cry of saving the planet

02:45:22.490 --> 02:45:28.550
and the environmentalists are becoming a
common denominator among all factions of

02:45:28.550 --> 02:45:29.570
people around the world.

02:45:29.690 --> 02:45:32.490
We've all got to come together to save our
world.

02:45:32.670 --> 02:45:34.830
Sounds very righteous.

02:45:35.250 --> 02:45:35.510
Sure.

02:45:35.730 --> 02:45:37.690
It always comes as an angel of light.

02:45:37.810 --> 02:45:38.230
Absolutely.

02:45:38.270 --> 02:45:40.450
Here's a couple more points now.

02:45:40.450 --> 02:45:42.370
This is page 243.

02:45:44.670 --> 02:45:50.210
A moral position based on natural law,
then, would be an expression of what the

02:45:50.210 --> 02:45:55.990
moral community discovers in its
experience to be most contributing to the

02:45:55.990 --> 02:46:01.330
full actualization of human potential to
attain human wholeness.

02:46:01.650 --> 02:46:07.430
Now, do you think that the moral community
on earth, the Church, will discover in its

02:46:07.430 --> 02:46:12.510
experience something that will most
contribute to the full actualization of

02:46:12.510 --> 02:46:15.410
human potential to attain human wholeness?

02:46:16.350 --> 02:46:17.690
Let me guess.

02:46:18.030 --> 02:46:19.970
Sunday sacredness, Sunday worship.

02:46:20.470 --> 02:46:20.950
Of course.

02:46:21.110 --> 02:46:26.910
What could contribute more to the full
wholeness of humanity and the

02:46:26.910 --> 02:46:28.870
actualization of human potential?

02:46:28.970 --> 02:46:34.990
And besides Mary, the apparition of Mary
over at Mujagore has been calling for the

02:46:34.990 --> 02:46:36.750
world to keep Sunday.

02:46:36.930 --> 02:46:42.370
This is breaking the heart of Jesus,
that His Church is not keeping the Lord's

02:46:42.370 --> 02:46:42.710
day.

02:46:43.430 --> 02:46:48.130
Now, John, I want to briefly turn to John
Kirtney Murray, the Jesuit, who wrote this

02:46:48.130 --> 02:46:55.050
book, We Hold These Truths, and look at
page 301, how he describes natural law.

02:46:55.810 --> 02:46:58.450
This is the Jesuit concept of natural law
now.

02:46:58.890 --> 02:46:59.210
Quote,

02:47:06.630 --> 02:47:11.890
And what it can know, and on the other
hand, what human society is, and to what

02:47:11.890 --> 02:47:13.170
ends it should work.

02:47:14.090 --> 02:47:19.890
But, as is obvious, all this is to inquire
what man himself is, what this human

02:47:19.890 --> 02:47:23.810
nature is of which one predicates a law
natural.

02:47:24.850 --> 02:47:29.830
In Catholic natural law, one opts for,
quote, a metaphysic of right.

02:47:30.290 --> 02:47:32.990
I say right advisedly, not rights.

02:47:33.290 --> 02:47:39.410
So notice, in natural law, in Catholic
natural law, the issue is right rather

02:47:39.410 --> 02:47:41.470
than subjective rights.

02:47:42.810 --> 02:47:47.270
The natural law does not, in the first
instance, furnish a philosophy of human

02:47:47.270 --> 02:47:51.570
rights in the sense of subjective
immunities and powers to demand.

02:47:51.650 --> 02:47:56.270
In other words, the natural law,
and he makes a sharp distinction between

02:47:56.270 --> 02:48:00.790
Roman Catholic natural law and the law of
nature, which our founding fathers were

02:48:00.790 --> 02:48:03.270
involved in, the Protestant concepts of
the law of nature.

02:48:04.050 --> 02:48:05.990
He says they are 180 degrees apart.

02:48:06.670 --> 02:48:10.710
The Roman Catholic natural law does not
furnish a philosophy of human rights in

02:48:10.710 --> 02:48:13.470
the sense of subjective immunities,
like the Bill of Rights, you see,

02:48:13.970 --> 02:48:15.010
and powers to demand.

02:48:15.330 --> 02:48:19.590
This philosophy is consequent on the
initial furnishing of a philosophy of

02:48:19.590 --> 02:48:23.090
right, justice, law, juridical order,
and social order.

02:48:23.190 --> 02:48:29.510
So first, Murray says, you've got to have
a philosophy of right, of justice,

02:48:29.690 --> 02:48:33.630
of law, juridical order, legal order,
and social order.

02:48:35.950 --> 02:48:41.090
Now, I want to look at a few more concepts
here.

02:48:41.270 --> 02:48:45.230
The reason is that natural law thinking
does not set out, as Locke did,

02:48:45.330 --> 02:48:47.070
from the abstract, isolated individual.

02:48:47.170 --> 02:48:51.970
In other words, natural law thinking does
not start out from the abstract,

02:48:52.270 --> 02:48:53.310
isolated individual.

02:48:53.470 --> 02:48:57.490
In reality, the concept of the priesthood
of all believers, as we've demonstrated in

02:48:57.490 --> 02:49:01.830
other freedoms rings, and ask what his
inalienable rights are as an individual.

02:49:01.990 --> 02:49:04.350
So natural law does not ask about
inalienable rights.

02:49:04.810 --> 02:49:10.790
Rather, it regards the community as a
given equally with the person.

02:49:11.310 --> 02:49:14.950
Man is regarded as a member of an order
instituted by God.

02:49:15.070 --> 02:49:20.910
And as we think back, the long term over
Roman Catholicism, there is the divine

02:49:20.910 --> 02:49:26.410
right of kings, you know, the feudal order
of things, and you just fit as a cog into

02:49:26.410 --> 02:49:26.910
that order.

02:49:27.210 --> 02:49:29.630
And subject to the laws that make the
order an order.

02:49:30.110 --> 02:49:34.930
Laws that derive from the nature of man,
which is as essentially social as it is

02:49:34.930 --> 02:49:35.390
individual.

02:49:35.930 --> 02:49:40.330
In the natural law climate of opinion,
very different from that set by the

02:49:40.330 --> 02:49:45.530
Protestant law of nature, objective law
has the primacy over subjective rights.

02:49:46.010 --> 02:49:52.470
Now, in the Smith 2 case, where Scalia was
trained in the Jesuit University

02:49:52.470 --> 02:50:01.130
Georgetown formulated that idea that
opinion that was then basically ushered

02:50:01.130 --> 02:50:04.770
into the field of law as a result of the
decision of the Supreme Court Justices

02:50:04.770 --> 02:50:12.370
that if there is a valid law a neutral law
of general applicability if you have a

02:50:12.370 --> 02:50:17.310
conscientious conviction that runs afoul
of that law, you have no choice you have

02:50:17.310 --> 02:50:18.050
to obey.

02:50:18.710 --> 02:50:22.250
So objective law has the primacy over
subjective rights.

02:50:22.850 --> 02:50:26.450
Law is not simply the protection of
rights, but their source because it is the

02:50:26.450 --> 02:50:27.230
foundation of duties.

02:50:27.710 --> 02:50:30.050
That's the difference between Catholicism
and Protestantism.

02:50:30.190 --> 02:50:34.230
So natural law takes our Constitution and
turns it upside down.

02:50:35.270 --> 02:50:36.290
And it destroys.

02:50:36.590 --> 02:50:42.010
And Ellen White says that every Republican
and Protestant principle of our

02:50:42.010 --> 02:50:44.050
Constitution will be repudiated.

02:50:45.670 --> 02:50:50.650
So, going through this just briefly the
Jesuit definition of the meaning of

02:50:50.650 --> 02:50:54.590
natural law is that it is an issue of
right, which would be defined as the

02:50:54.590 --> 02:50:57.630
Church according to natural law,
rather than rights.

02:50:58.430 --> 02:51:01.590
There goes the Bill of Rights,
to be replaced by right as defined by the

02:51:01.590 --> 02:51:01.770
Church.

02:51:02.050 --> 02:51:04.690
The community is a given equal to the
individual.

02:51:04.810 --> 02:51:06.190
There's that community concept.

02:51:06.790 --> 02:51:10.230
And this again leads to the suppression of
individual rights in the name of the

02:51:10.230 --> 02:51:11.610
community, as in Communism.

02:51:12.050 --> 02:51:12.530
3.

02:51:12.990 --> 02:51:17.350
Man is viewed as a member of the order,
subject to the laws that make the order an

02:51:17.350 --> 02:51:20.210
order, derived from the nature of man
exhibited in society.

02:51:20.530 --> 02:51:24.170
So you just fit into the order,
the structure, the hierarchy of the

02:51:24.170 --> 02:51:24.470
nation.

02:51:25.510 --> 02:51:25.990
4.

02:51:26.210 --> 02:51:29.970
Objective law has primacy over subjective
rights, as in the Smith 2 case.

02:51:30.530 --> 02:51:31.010
5.

02:51:31.330 --> 02:51:36.550
Law is the source of rights, therefore
rights are subject to the whim of law.

02:51:36.550 --> 02:51:41.770
So what Roman Catholic natural law does is
take the United States Constitution and

02:51:41.770 --> 02:51:44.710
Bill of Rights and turn it upside down and
totally negate everything that this

02:51:44.710 --> 02:51:45.610
country was founded upon.

02:51:45.770 --> 02:51:50.190
Did you notice how Joseph Biden was
nervous about this concept of natural law?

02:51:50.310 --> 02:51:52.150
Joseph Biden gives me the creeps.

02:51:52.310 --> 02:51:57.130
But he was still nervous about Clarence
Thomas ideas about natural law.

02:51:57.190 --> 02:52:01.230
And he said in the first day of the
hearings, he said the real issue that

02:52:01.230 --> 02:52:04.690
we're looking at with this nominee to the
Supreme Court Clarence Thomas,

02:52:05.270 --> 02:52:07.070
is the issue of natural law.

02:52:07.130 --> 02:52:08.450
And what does he mean by it?

02:52:08.490 --> 02:52:09.630
And he wouldn't really tell.

02:52:12.670 --> 02:52:13.190
6.

02:52:13.610 --> 02:52:17.090
Human rights in the sense of subjective
immunities and powers to demand is

02:52:17.090 --> 02:52:22.430
consequent on the initial furnishing of a
philosophy of right, justice, law,

02:52:22.590 --> 02:52:23.850
juridical order, and social order.

02:52:23.950 --> 02:52:29.590
So in the Jesuit concept of natural law,
first you erect this concept of what is

02:52:29.590 --> 02:52:36.070
right, what is just, and what the law is,
and then you have your rights after that.

02:52:36.510 --> 02:52:38.650
And that's exactly the way it was in
Russia.

02:52:38.750 --> 02:52:41.130
Isn't that what's going on in our church,
Bob?

02:52:41.790 --> 02:52:46.210
That the denomination decides what is
right, and then you must subject your

02:52:46.210 --> 02:52:49.510
conscience to their conscience,
and if your conscience is contrary to

02:52:49.510 --> 02:52:53.690
their conscience, then you must subject
yourself to their conscience and acquiesce

02:52:53.690 --> 02:52:54.410
to their conscience?

02:52:54.490 --> 02:52:56.990
Isn't that what is coming right down from
the hierarchical system?

02:52:56.990 --> 02:53:01.070
It's even been explicitly stated that way
to an individual.

02:53:01.350 --> 02:53:07.470
Now, Malachi Martin tells us that John
Paul has taken a position on this,

02:53:07.970 --> 02:53:13.990
that no one has the right democratic or
otherwise to a moral wrong, and no

02:53:13.990 --> 02:53:18.730
religion based on divine revelation has a
moral right to teach such a moral wrong or

02:53:18.730 --> 02:53:19.750
abide by it.

02:53:20.030 --> 02:53:23.510
So the question is, who decides what is a
moral wrong?

02:53:23.990 --> 02:53:28.390
And once it is decided that something is a
moral wrong, such as perhaps teaching the

02:53:28.390 --> 02:53:34.670
fourth commandment about the seventh day
salmon, then that body of people have no

02:53:34.670 --> 02:53:36.750
right to teach that position.

02:53:37.350 --> 02:53:40.750
Bob, I cannot help but think of something
that you said to me yesterday.

02:53:41.030 --> 02:53:46.370
You said, what we are coming down to is a
decision whether we are going to be Roman

02:53:46.370 --> 02:53:49.480
Catholic Seventh-day Adventist or
Protestant Seventh-day Adventist.

02:53:50.390 --> 02:53:53.650
And I believe our people need to know
that.

02:53:53.930 --> 02:53:59.830
And you see, if we do not exercise
Protestantism as a people and we get used

02:53:59.830 --> 02:54:06.690
to the conditioning process of fitting
into a community decision regarding right

02:54:06.690 --> 02:54:13.530
based on another norm than the Word of God
and imposing that, such as natural law

02:54:13.530 --> 02:54:18.470
does, we are subjecting ourselves to a
conditioning process to ultimately receive

02:54:18.470 --> 02:54:19.150
the mark of the beast.

02:54:19.150 --> 02:54:21.430
This is Catholicism versus Protestantism.

02:54:21.550 --> 02:54:25.950
And what we have to ask is, are we going
to be Roman Catholic Seventh-day Adventist

02:54:25.950 --> 02:54:27.750
or Protestant Seventh-day Adventist?

02:54:27.790 --> 02:54:29.370
That's the basic premise here,
folks.

02:54:29.610 --> 02:54:36.210
And even the basic notion of submission to
an order imposed by church and society,

02:54:36.650 --> 02:54:41.150
rather than asking first, what is the
order of the Word, like Jesus did and John

02:54:41.150 --> 02:54:47.010
the Baptist did, conditions the people to
ultimately deal with the independent

02:54:47.010 --> 02:54:52.190
ministries, you see, and biblical
Adventism, not because its doctrines are

02:54:52.190 --> 02:54:57.390
erroneous, but because it has violated the
order imposed by an ecumenically conscious

02:54:57.390 --> 02:54:57.930
structure.

02:54:59.530 --> 02:55:05.370
Would you mind saying that one more time
slowly, with emphasis?

02:55:06.730 --> 02:55:08.910
I'll just read it right here out of
Freedom's Ring.

02:55:09.610 --> 02:55:15.290
The notion of submission to the order
imposed by church and society has become

02:55:15.290 --> 02:55:19.150
very strongly entrenched in the rank and
file of Adventism.

02:55:19.590 --> 02:55:24.630
Most of Adventism now functions upon the
philosophical premises of Catholic natural

02:55:24.630 --> 02:55:25.030
law.

02:55:25.590 --> 02:55:29.090
They are prepared to deal with the
independent ministries and historic

02:55:29.090 --> 02:55:34.190
biblical Adventism, not because its
doctrines are erroneous, but because it

02:55:34.190 --> 02:55:38.570
has violated the order imposed by an
ecumenically conscious structure.

02:55:38.570 --> 02:55:45.050
In its quest for truth, biblical Adventism
operates upon the biblical Protestant

02:55:45.050 --> 02:55:50.430
philosophical base, which is completely
alien to Catholic natural law.

02:55:52.190 --> 02:55:58.210
And that's why we have to have the
security, John, of a heart, life,

02:55:58.510 --> 02:56:03.010
and our very thinking anchored to the
living God through absolute surrender to

02:56:03.010 --> 02:56:07.850
the Word by faith, so we can get an
abundant triumph over the Pope's New World

02:56:07.850 --> 02:56:08.150
Order.

02:56:08.850 --> 02:56:14.630
As Luther declared in D'Aubigné's History
of the Reformation here, Book 6,

02:56:14.790 --> 02:56:19.410
Chapter 9, "...my strength and my
consolation are in a place where neither

02:56:19.410 --> 02:56:21.670
men nor devils can reach them." Amen.

02:56:21.970 --> 02:56:23.330
That's the way we've got to be,
Bob.

02:56:23.450 --> 02:56:27.650
We've got to be so rooted and grounded in
why we believe what we believe that we

02:56:27.650 --> 02:56:32.990
cannot be swayed from being Protestant
Seventh Adventists and slowly being led

02:56:32.990 --> 02:56:34.870
into being Roman Catholic Seventh
Adventists.

02:56:34.970 --> 02:56:37.730
And that's where the majority of our
denomination are headed today.

02:56:37.910 --> 02:56:40.070
They're becoming Roman Catholic Seventh
Adventists.

02:56:40.130 --> 02:56:40.790
And it's frightening.

02:56:41.090 --> 02:56:42.670
It's happening so quickly, Bob.

02:56:43.350 --> 02:56:45.370
I can't believe what is happening among
our people.

02:56:45.570 --> 02:56:49.530
Now I'd like to talk about family feuds in
the Roman Catholic Church, John.

02:56:49.870 --> 02:56:57.070
At the very time when Thomas Aquinas was
writing these things about the two strains

02:56:57.070 --> 02:57:04.130
of natural law, the order of nature and
the order of reason, the Knights Templar,

02:57:04.190 --> 02:57:08.430
which we just mentioned a little bit ago,
were becoming very, very powerful.

02:57:09.150 --> 02:57:10.650
They went on the Crusades.

02:57:10.770 --> 02:57:12.790
They went over to the lands of the East.

02:57:12.910 --> 02:57:16.350
They made contact with the occult over
there, which came into their order.

02:57:17.110 --> 02:57:21.670
They developed vast land holdings in
France and other countries.

02:57:22.450 --> 02:57:27.810
They had the major central bank that they
operated in France.

02:57:28.790 --> 02:57:33.170
And Philip of France got so fearful that
he suppressed the order.

02:57:33.330 --> 02:57:36.910
He arrested all of them, as we mentioned
earlier, except for 13 on a Friday the

02:57:36.910 --> 02:57:37.530
13th.

02:57:37.830 --> 02:57:41.290
He demanded of the Pope that the order be
repressed.

02:57:41.710 --> 02:57:47.690
The Pope was very reluctant, but finally
he went along with the suppression of the

02:57:47.690 --> 02:57:53.710
order and he issued orders for the
suppression of the Knights Templar.

02:57:53.710 --> 02:57:58.250
Now, in England, in this book,
Born in Blood, by John J.

02:57:58.370 --> 02:58:04.050
Robinson, in England, these Knights
Templar went underground.

02:58:05.130 --> 02:58:08.170
They established lodges where they had a
safe place.

02:58:08.310 --> 02:58:15.010
They established secret signs so that they
would know and recognize each other as

02:58:15.010 --> 02:58:15.770
fellow Masons.

02:58:16.510 --> 02:58:19.250
And they began fomenting revolution.

02:58:19.450 --> 02:58:22.870
They wanted to get back in this family
feud with the Pope.

02:58:22.990 --> 02:58:28.710
They wanted to get back at the Church as
well as the State, the two entities that

02:58:28.710 --> 02:58:29.670
were persecuting them.

02:58:29.870 --> 02:58:33.850
Because they wanted to establish,
as Knights Templar, they had wanted to

02:58:33.850 --> 02:58:36.330
establish a one-world order.

02:58:37.230 --> 02:58:41.670
And so they began fomenting trouble.

02:58:42.270 --> 02:58:47.610
The Peasants' Revolt in England,
where almost 100,000 men marched on

02:58:47.610 --> 02:58:53.590
London, was one evidence of their work
shortly after their suppression,

02:58:53.830 --> 02:58:55.350
a few decades after their suppression.

02:58:55.770 --> 02:58:57.090
They came swarming through.

02:58:57.130 --> 02:58:59.110
There was nothing that could stop these
men.

02:58:59.390 --> 02:59:00.450
They had conspired.

02:59:00.590 --> 02:59:02.050
They had laid all their plans.

02:59:02.670 --> 02:59:07.250
They had men who had let down the
drawbridges across the canals.

02:59:07.730 --> 02:59:10.250
They had men in strategic places.

02:59:10.910 --> 02:59:15.830
They came and they burned down the
buildings of the Knights of Malta,

02:59:15.910 --> 02:59:20.890
the Hospitalliers, because the Knights of
Malta had been given all their holdings in

02:59:20.890 --> 02:59:21.670
France, you see.

02:59:22.570 --> 02:59:25.250
And so it was a family feud.

02:59:26.250 --> 02:59:28.310
And they developed the Masons.

02:59:28.930 --> 02:59:32.350
And the Masons stayed underground for
centuries.

02:59:33.010 --> 02:59:38.610
In this book here, New World Order by
William Still, there is an enormous amount

02:59:38.610 --> 02:59:39.710
of information here.

02:59:39.810 --> 02:59:42.430
New World Order, the ancient plan of
secret societies.

02:59:42.910 --> 02:59:46.730
William Still is a former newspaper editor
and a publisher.

02:59:46.930 --> 02:59:51.290
He has written for USA Today, the Saturday
Evening Post, Los Angeles Times Syndicate,

02:59:51.630 --> 02:59:55.870
Omni Magazine, and produced the syndicated
radio program Health News.

02:59:56.270 --> 03:00:02.610
His father developed the communications,
the defense communications network for the

03:00:02.610 --> 03:00:03.050
military.

03:00:03.710 --> 03:00:10.010
And during the height of the Nixon
struggle, the struggle between Nixon and

03:00:10.010 --> 03:00:14.570
the Supreme Court over the Watergate
tapes, a high-ranking military man came to

03:00:14.970 --> 03:00:21.230
William's father and said, Do you think
the time is right for a coup in America?

03:00:22.130 --> 03:00:24.670
And his father couldn't believe it.

03:00:24.890 --> 03:00:25.930
And this is during the Nixon
administration?

03:00:25.930 --> 03:00:26.310
Yes.

03:00:27.130 --> 03:00:29.390
And he tells right about in the first few
pages here.

03:00:30.070 --> 03:00:35.970
And William Still's father retained his
cool, his equanimity, and he encouraged a

03:00:35.970 --> 03:00:36.930
man to tell him more.

03:00:37.750 --> 03:00:43.330
And he was astounded to find that there
was being circulated a plot, a plan,

03:00:43.710 --> 03:00:50.750
to subvert the authority of the Supreme
Court by Nixon ensconcing himself in

03:00:50.750 --> 03:00:51.130
power.

03:00:51.890 --> 03:00:54.850
This led William Still to do ten years of
research.

03:00:55.290 --> 03:00:56.370
What was behind it?

03:00:56.650 --> 03:00:59.650
As you remember, John, there was a
tremendous struggle between the left wing

03:00:59.650 --> 03:01:01.810
and the right wing in Nixon's era.

03:01:02.030 --> 03:01:06.210
And William Still came to the conclusion
that left was being pitted against right

03:01:06.210 --> 03:01:08.270
for a takeover by the Masons in the
middle.

03:01:08.690 --> 03:01:14.190
The Masons, remember, the Knights Templar
is the highest degree in the York Rite.

03:01:14.910 --> 03:01:19.230
The top three, recapping from Jesuit
Agenda 2, the top three degrees of the

03:01:19.230 --> 03:01:22.650
York Rite, which is designed for the
Christian branch, quote-unquote,

03:01:22.870 --> 03:01:28.630
of the Masons, is the Knights of the Red
Cross, the Knights of Malta, who William

03:01:28.630 --> 03:01:31.230
Casey, the CIA director, was one.

03:01:31.770 --> 03:01:33.030
We discussed that last time.

03:01:33.550 --> 03:01:34.850
And the Knights Templar.

03:01:35.850 --> 03:01:40.470
So here you had a situation, William Still
discovered in his research, where Nixon

03:01:40.470 --> 03:01:45.110
was planning to ensconce himself in power
if necessary and not give up those tapes

03:01:45.110 --> 03:01:50.290
and to use the Marines who were around
Washington to protect himself and to

03:01:50.290 --> 03:01:51.670
ensconce himself in power.

03:01:52.110 --> 03:01:56.550
Meanwhile, there were generals,
high-ranking generals, who knew what Nixon

03:01:56.550 --> 03:02:01.170
was up to and who were determined that if
Nixon did that, they would bring in the

03:02:01.170 --> 03:02:05.310
82nd Airborne from North Carolina and
attack the Marines.

03:02:05.610 --> 03:02:09.290
We were on the point of civil war and we
didn't know it as a people.

03:02:10.050 --> 03:02:10.050
Unbelievable.

03:02:10.790 --> 03:02:14.630
And this is the son of the man who
developed the communications network for

03:02:14.630 --> 03:02:15.190
the military.

03:02:15.610 --> 03:02:22.110
Anyway, he traces the whole history of the
Masons and I just want to hit some

03:02:22.110 --> 03:02:23.710
significant points in here.

03:02:23.890 --> 03:02:28.910
You know, Bob, we're going to find out
stuff during the Millennium that is just

03:02:28.910 --> 03:02:30.050
going to curl our hair.

03:02:30.190 --> 03:02:35.110
We have no idea how God has been holding
back the winds of strife.

03:02:35.290 --> 03:02:37.330
Hold, hold, hold, he tells those angels.

03:02:37.690 --> 03:02:38.290
That's right.

03:02:38.770 --> 03:02:43.190
He goes into the connection between Karl
Marx and the Masons and the

03:02:43.190 --> 03:02:44.190
Internationale.

03:02:44.610 --> 03:02:49.490
So you see, in the Russian Revolution,
we have a new book here by Richard Pipes

03:02:49.490 --> 03:02:50.510
for you to read, John.

03:02:50.690 --> 03:02:52.050
I'll do that tonight.

03:02:52.530 --> 03:02:54.750
It is almost a thousand pages long.

03:02:55.050 --> 03:02:57.990
Richard Pipes is the authority on the
Russian Revolution.

03:02:58.630 --> 03:03:04.110
And in this book, he tells of how the
Russian Revolution was not a class

03:03:04.110 --> 03:03:09.170
struggle, but it was, let me just read it
off the back here.

03:03:09.210 --> 03:03:13.450
Richard Pipes argues convincingly that the
Russian Revolution was an intellectual

03:03:13.450 --> 03:03:18.590
rather than a class uprising, that it was
steeped in terror from its very outset,

03:03:18.930 --> 03:03:23.110
and that it was not a revolution at all,
but a coup d'etat, the capture of

03:03:23.110 --> 03:03:26.010
governmental power by a small minority.

03:03:26.450 --> 03:03:32.370
Now, we know that Marxism was established
in Russia as a result of the Bolshevik

03:03:32.370 --> 03:03:32.930
Revolution.

03:03:34.330 --> 03:03:42.550
He has a chapter in here on the
intelligentsia and discusses the concepts

03:03:42.550 --> 03:03:47.630
of communist thinking.

03:03:48.390 --> 03:03:51.270
The intelligentsia worked for decades.

03:03:51.390 --> 03:03:56.370
From about 1860 on, they were fomenting,
fomenting, fomenting in the universities.

03:03:56.570 --> 03:04:00.550
The majority of the students in the
universities were the sons of priests,

03:04:01.250 --> 03:04:02.250
and they were fomenting.

03:04:02.330 --> 03:04:05.510
They wanted to bring down the czar,
you see.

03:04:05.790 --> 03:04:09.050
And you remember in 1917, the Fatima
vision took place.

03:04:09.150 --> 03:04:13.090
A year and two months later, the czar was
murdered.

03:04:13.610 --> 03:04:16.610
The Bolshevik Revolution was in full
swing.

03:04:17.530 --> 03:04:22.670
Here, let me tell you what Trotsky said
about the human being whom the new regime

03:04:22.670 --> 03:04:23.510
would create.

03:04:24.130 --> 03:04:30.390
You see, the idea behind the Russian
Revolution was to create a completely new

03:04:30.390 --> 03:04:31.150
human being.

03:04:31.630 --> 03:04:35.550
It was to be an experiment that would be
extended all over the world.

03:04:35.990 --> 03:04:41.030
It would create a new human being,
not only in Russia, but also in the world.

03:04:41.610 --> 03:04:44.210
That's why we have such terms as the
International.

03:04:44.950 --> 03:04:49.010
It was an international thing,
and Freemasonry supported it at every

03:04:49.010 --> 03:04:49.670
place.

03:04:50.710 --> 03:04:52.610
Now, here's what Trotsky wrote.

03:04:54.210 --> 03:04:56.290
Here's the human being that the new regime
would create.

03:04:56.450 --> 03:05:00.130
Quote, Man will at last begin to harmonize
himself in earnest.

03:05:00.250 --> 03:05:01.170
Notice, harmonize.

03:05:01.230 --> 03:05:02.030
Notice the terms now.

03:05:02.310 --> 03:05:04.010
Remember what we studied about natural
law.

03:05:04.530 --> 03:05:08.890
He will want to master first the
semi-conscious, and then also the

03:05:08.890 --> 03:05:11.550
unconscious processes of his own organism.

03:05:12.250 --> 03:05:17.550
Breathing, the circulation of blood,
digestion, reproduction, and within the

03:05:17.550 --> 03:05:21.250
necessary limits will subordinate them to
the control of reason and will.

03:05:21.570 --> 03:05:26.010
Remember the order of reason, the order of
nature, the structures of man,

03:05:26.410 --> 03:05:27.650
the animal structures.

03:05:28.090 --> 03:05:31.210
All of this is going to be all harmonized
in this revolution.

03:05:31.450 --> 03:05:32.010
Notice that.

03:05:32.530 --> 03:05:36.830
Even purely physiological life will become
collectively experimental.

03:05:37.350 --> 03:05:41.070
Notice the collective aspect and the
experimental aspect.

03:05:41.650 --> 03:05:45.950
The human species, the sluggish homo
sapiens, will once again enter the state

03:05:45.950 --> 03:05:51.350
of radical reconstruction and will become
in its own hands the object of the most

03:05:51.350 --> 03:05:55.790
complex methods of artificial selection
and psychophysical training.

03:05:56.150 --> 03:06:00.810
Man will make it his goal to master his
own emotions, to elevate his instincts to

03:06:00.810 --> 03:06:04.850
the heights of consciousness, to make them
transparent, to create a higher

03:06:04.850 --> 03:06:08.150
socio-biological type, a superman if you
will.

03:06:08.490 --> 03:06:13.490
Notice the correlation with the super race
concept of Nazism.

03:06:13.850 --> 03:06:14.070
Pages.

03:06:14.690 --> 03:06:16.070
This is page 137.

03:06:17.210 --> 03:06:21.170
Man will become incomparably stronger,
wiser, subtler.

03:06:21.530 --> 03:06:23.190
His body will become more harmonious.

03:06:23.230 --> 03:06:27.790
Now this is Trotsky who engineered the
Bolshevik revolution.

03:06:28.890 --> 03:06:32.190
His body will become more harmonious,
his mind his movements more rhythmic,

03:06:32.530 --> 03:06:34.050
his voice more melodious.

03:06:34.390 --> 03:06:38.710
The forms of life will acquire a dynamic
theatricality.

03:06:39.190 --> 03:06:44.490
The average human type will rise to the
heights of an Aristotle, go through Marx,

03:06:44.650 --> 03:06:46.790
and beyond this ridge other peaks will
emerge.

03:06:47.130 --> 03:06:52.210
So it was to create... what they wanted to
do with the Russian revolution was to

03:06:52.210 --> 03:06:55.330
create a new man.

03:06:56.130 --> 03:06:56.730
Antichrist.

03:06:56.870 --> 03:07:02.970
And it would be based on these concepts of
natural law, which we discussed.

03:07:03.030 --> 03:07:04.790
You can see them inherent here.

03:07:05.930 --> 03:07:13.550
And it would be a social engineering
project to create a new man, because it

03:07:13.550 --> 03:07:19.810
was believed by the communists that if you
change the environment, you change the

03:07:19.810 --> 03:07:20.190
person.

03:07:20.730 --> 03:07:23.270
Now have you ever heard anything about
that in America?

03:07:23.810 --> 03:07:23.810
Absolutely.

03:07:23.850 --> 03:07:26.410
That has been fundamental to behavioral
science.

03:07:26.630 --> 03:07:34.050
That the criminal is the because of some
hereditary or cultivated problem that he

03:07:34.050 --> 03:07:35.730
has, a violation with the law of God.

03:07:35.790 --> 03:07:37.750
But it's because his environment hasn't
been right.

03:07:38.130 --> 03:07:43.490
And if you change the environment and make
it a utopian, and the communists,

03:07:43.650 --> 03:07:46.270
you know, we're all going to live
together, equal wealth.

03:07:46.430 --> 03:07:48.630
Wealth won't be something that separates
anybody.

03:07:48.850 --> 03:07:50.510
We'll create this superman.

03:07:51.050 --> 03:07:55.790
We'll marshal all of the environment to
create a superhuman being.

03:07:55.990 --> 03:07:59.010
I'm going to be accused of being a racist
and saying this, but this was the

03:07:59.010 --> 03:08:05.250
rationale given in the recent Los Angeles
riots, is taking all the blame off the

03:08:05.250 --> 03:08:06.750
people and putting it on the environment.

03:08:07.010 --> 03:08:08.950
And we are responsible for this.

03:08:09.010 --> 03:08:09.790
It's our fault.

03:08:10.950 --> 03:08:14.490
Because the environment, if we would just
help the environment and pour money,

03:08:14.550 --> 03:08:17.010
pour money, pour money, just pour more
money into it.

03:08:17.570 --> 03:08:20.870
We had a book to read.

03:08:22.210 --> 03:08:23.570
Let me tell you this, John.

03:08:23.730 --> 03:08:27.670
I had a Marxist professor at the seminary,
believe it or not.

03:08:28.030 --> 03:08:32.570
I sat in his class day after day,
and there are a number of other students,

03:08:33.790 --> 03:08:36.970
and they were giving him static all along
the way.

03:08:37.090 --> 03:08:42.390
He was attacking Protestant concepts,
Seventh-day Adventist concepts,

03:08:42.790 --> 03:08:44.810
all of this, and elevating this socialism.

03:08:45.850 --> 03:08:50.190
And we had to read a book for the class
that said, it was written by a radical

03:08:50.190 --> 03:08:54.930
from the late 60s, one of the student
protest leaders of that era, who had now

03:08:54.930 --> 03:08:55.730
become a professor.

03:08:56.250 --> 03:09:00.550
And he said, if we gave each of the people
in the ghetto $1,000, then that would

03:09:00.550 --> 03:09:02.410
really solve the problem.

03:09:02.690 --> 03:09:06.050
And the title of the book was,
Blaming the Victim.

03:09:06.350 --> 03:09:11.610
Well, I was so disturbed about it,
that one night I got up about 3 o'clock in

03:09:11.610 --> 03:09:15.630
the morning, and I got out my Baker's
Dictionary of Christian Ethics,

03:09:15.650 --> 03:09:20.310
and I looked up Marxism, and it fit
exactly what we had been taught in class.

03:09:20.650 --> 03:09:21.650
Marxism, absolutely.

03:09:22.350 --> 03:09:24.490
Notice this, 136.

03:09:24.590 --> 03:09:28.910
The underlying premise is the idea of
Helvetius that by establishing an

03:09:28.910 --> 03:09:33.170
environment which makes social behavior a
natural instinct, socialism will enable

03:09:33.170 --> 03:09:36.030
man to realize his potential to the
fullest.

03:09:36.530 --> 03:09:42.730
Notice socialism, and full human
potential, and Roman Catholic law,

03:09:43.010 --> 03:09:43.850
order of reason.

03:09:43.950 --> 03:09:48.790
This is how Marx and Lenin both
established socialism, was by telling the

03:09:48.790 --> 03:09:51.930
people that they would alleviate all of
these problems if they would just all

03:09:51.930 --> 03:09:52.810
share and share alike.

03:09:53.350 --> 03:09:56.750
And Marx wrote a book entitled,
The Holy Family.

03:09:56.990 --> 03:09:58.230
Have you ever heard that before?

03:09:58.650 --> 03:10:00.330
Right out of Roman Catholicism?

03:10:00.710 --> 03:10:02.390
That term, anyway.

03:10:03.410 --> 03:10:08.730
And he wrote this in 1844, 1845,
and here is what he said, The whole

03:10:08.730 --> 03:10:11.930
development of man depends on education
and environment.

03:10:12.510 --> 03:10:15.070
If man draws all his knowledge,
sensations, etc.

03:10:15.070 --> 03:10:18.770
from the world of the senses, and the
experience gained in it, the empirical

03:10:18.770 --> 03:10:23.310
world must be arranged so that in it man
experiences and gets used to what is

03:10:23.310 --> 03:10:24.050
really human.

03:10:25.750 --> 03:10:27.390
Remember that in natural law?

03:10:28.150 --> 03:10:32.070
You have to study the mind and experience
of man to see what is really human.

03:10:32.650 --> 03:10:36.770
If man is shaped by his surroundings,
his surroundings must be made human.

03:10:37.930 --> 03:10:39.010
Alright, this is communism.

03:10:39.210 --> 03:10:40.990
This is the philosophy of communism now.

03:10:41.670 --> 03:10:46.730
Now, I wanted to take a look here,
John, at this book once again.

03:10:47.390 --> 03:10:49.210
Karl Marx and the Internationale.

03:10:51.110 --> 03:10:57.590
In this book, William still tells about
how the Soviet Revolution was financed by

03:10:57.590 --> 03:10:58.710
American bankers.

03:10:59.190 --> 03:11:00.150
Wait, what?

03:11:00.710 --> 03:11:02.710
The Soviet Revolution?

03:11:02.990 --> 03:11:05.930
Was financed by American bankers.

03:11:06.250 --> 03:11:08.130
American bankers were connected with the
Masons.

03:11:09.690 --> 03:11:13.830
And you see, they were not worried about
what the communists were doing because

03:11:13.830 --> 03:11:15.150
they were pulling the strings.

03:11:15.630 --> 03:11:21.110
Lenin, after, he quotes in here what Lenin
said after he took control.

03:11:21.710 --> 03:11:25.070
After Lenin took power, this is page 142
in New World Order.

03:11:26.070 --> 03:11:30.670
After Lenin took power, he slowly began to
understand that he was not really pulling

03:11:30.670 --> 03:11:31.410
all the strings.

03:11:32.050 --> 03:11:34.970
Someone else was silently in control of
the Soviet nation.

03:11:35.370 --> 03:11:38.950
Lenin lamented, quote, the state does not
function as we desired.

03:11:39.050 --> 03:11:39.830
How does it function?

03:11:39.970 --> 03:11:41.190
The car does not obey.

03:11:41.470 --> 03:11:45.050
A man is at the wheel and seems to lead
it, but the car does not drive in the

03:11:45.050 --> 03:11:45.730
desired direction.

03:11:45.830 --> 03:11:48.890
It moves as another force wishes.

03:11:49.350 --> 03:11:53.170
So Lenin even recognized that there were
satanic forces out there.

03:11:53.550 --> 03:11:53.930
Beyond him.

03:11:54.150 --> 03:11:56.830
Beyond him and the supernatural that he
could not control.

03:11:57.110 --> 03:11:59.090
This is a heavily documented book.

03:11:59.530 --> 03:12:03.330
Now do you think he was referring to
supernatural forces or forces out there

03:12:03.330 --> 03:12:09.850
such as the Illuminati and the Jesuits?

03:12:09.890 --> 03:12:10.970
I don't know that he knew.

03:12:11.370 --> 03:12:14.230
He just knew there was something out there
that he had no control over.

03:12:14.350 --> 03:12:15.630
Let me read you something here,
John.

03:12:17.170 --> 03:12:21.250
He, like Hitler, had a high regard for the
Jesuits.

03:12:22.150 --> 03:12:25.070
Page 26 of the book The Jesuits by Malachi
Martin.

03:12:26.630 --> 03:12:30.830
Lenin swore at the end of his life that he
would not if he had had 12 men like one of

03:12:30.830 --> 03:12:34.070
those early Jesuits, his communism would
have swept the world.

03:12:34.990 --> 03:12:36.830
He had a high regard for the Jesuits.

03:12:36.950 --> 03:12:42.550
He took a man who had been training to be
a Catholic priest, Dzerzhinsky,

03:12:42.550 --> 03:12:45.870
who became a communist in the Catholic
seminary and was expelled.

03:12:46.730 --> 03:12:51.010
He took that man and made him the head of
the Chekhov, which is the head,

03:12:51.510 --> 03:12:55.950
the precursor of the KGB, the
counterintelligence operation.

03:12:56.470 --> 03:13:05.670
At any rate, in here, Stalin himself,
Stalin now, was enrolled in school to

03:13:05.670 --> 03:13:08.050
become a priest at the theological
seminary.

03:13:08.830 --> 03:13:13.050
And he soon found that the seminary was
honeycombed with secret societies.

03:13:14.050 --> 03:13:16.750
How do you know Stalin studied to be a
priest, a Catholic priest?

03:13:16.750 --> 03:13:18.050
Page 143.

03:13:18.110 --> 03:13:19.890
Who financed Lenin and Trotsky?

03:13:20.270 --> 03:13:23.950
The evidence points to a variety of
European and American financiers.

03:13:24.370 --> 03:13:28.450
One German responsible for the financing
of the Bolshevik Revolution was Max

03:13:28.450 --> 03:13:32.510
Warburg, the brother of American Paul
Warburg, the prime mover in establishing

03:13:32.510 --> 03:13:33.010
the U.S.

03:13:33.090 --> 03:13:34.170
Federal Reserve System.

03:13:34.470 --> 03:13:36.210
We talked about that in Jesuit Agenda 2.

03:13:36.750 --> 03:13:41.670
Max ran a Rothschild-allied family bank in
Frankfurt, Germany, and was the head of

03:13:41.670 --> 03:13:44.010
the German secret police during World War
I.

03:13:44.490 --> 03:13:54.390
He goes on to tell about how John Schiff,
the old man in America, who sank $20

03:13:54.390 --> 03:13:57.870
million for the final triumph of
Bolshevism in Russia.

03:13:58.970 --> 03:14:04.330
This man goes on to document how we not
only financed the Russian Revolution,

03:14:04.910 --> 03:14:08.630
but we gave them the secrets of the atomic
bomb.

03:14:09.270 --> 03:14:12.870
I've heard that for years, that we gave
them the secrets of the atomic bomb.

03:14:13.010 --> 03:14:14.390
Look at the evidence in here.

03:14:14.430 --> 03:14:14.590
Why?

03:14:14.690 --> 03:14:16.710
Why would we want to give them the secrets
of the atomic bomb?

03:14:16.710 --> 03:14:18.230
We sent them plutonium.

03:14:18.370 --> 03:14:19.510
The United States?

03:14:19.670 --> 03:14:20.110
Yes.

03:14:20.410 --> 03:14:20.610
Russia?

03:14:20.810 --> 03:14:21.270
Plutonium?

03:14:21.330 --> 03:14:21.590
Yes.

03:14:21.870 --> 03:14:24.530
We gave them the secrets and wanted them
to build the atomic bomb?

03:14:24.690 --> 03:14:24.790
Yes.

03:14:24.870 --> 03:14:25.230
Why?

03:14:25.330 --> 03:14:26.830
Why would we want them to do that?

03:14:26.970 --> 03:14:31.290
Because there was another agency
interested in ultimate global domination.

03:14:31.390 --> 03:14:33.150
They were interested in this experiment in
Russia.

03:14:33.150 --> 03:14:36.350
We've got to realize that we're not
dealing with just countries here.

03:14:36.450 --> 03:14:41.990
We're dealing with a global sinister force
that is orchestrating world governments

03:14:41.990 --> 03:14:46.110
for a much bigger picture than what we see
just from country to country.

03:14:46.450 --> 03:14:50.830
So we're talking about forces that are
controlling the whole world, not just

03:14:50.830 --> 03:14:51.830
individual countries.

03:14:52.230 --> 03:14:54.050
Let me read to you out of 166 here.

03:14:54.150 --> 03:15:02.130
He's discussing the papers, the report
that was sent to Russia.

03:15:03.330 --> 03:15:07.290
The text of the report, let's see,
clipped to this note to Molotov from Harry

03:15:07.290 --> 03:15:10.970
Hopkins, was a large map which bore the
legend Oak Ridge, Manhattan Engineering

03:15:10.970 --> 03:15:15.230
District, and a carbon copy of a report
from Oak Ridge with the name Harry Hopkins

03:15:15.230 --> 03:15:18.770
typed on it, as though it was a copy
specifically prepared for Hopkins.

03:15:18.890 --> 03:15:22.890
The text of the report contained words
Major Jordan was unfamiliar with then,

03:15:23.270 --> 03:15:24.370
but which we all know today.

03:15:24.450 --> 03:15:27.710
Among them were uranium, cyclotron,
proton, and deuteron.

03:15:28.490 --> 03:15:33.730
Of course, Colonel Kotakov, that's the
Russian here in America, was furious with

03:15:33.730 --> 03:15:37.410
Major Jordan when Jordan began finding out
about these things, you see.

03:15:37.910 --> 03:15:41.230
And Jordan assumed he would be fired,
but surprisingly he was allowed to stay

03:15:41.230 --> 03:15:41.590
on.

03:15:42.010 --> 03:15:45.510
Although Jordan reported everything that
had transpired to the intelligence section

03:15:45.510 --> 03:15:47.890
of the Air Force, he heard nothing in
return.

03:15:48.810 --> 03:15:54.790
And there was an extra special consignment
in April of 1943, notice that's during the

03:15:54.790 --> 03:15:57.670
war, of what he called experimental
chemicals.

03:15:58.850 --> 03:16:05.730
And dropping down here, after his
conversation was terminated with the

03:16:05.730 --> 03:16:09.690
infamous Harry Hopkins, Jordan asked
Colonel Kotakov what the name of this

03:16:09.690 --> 03:16:10.930
important chemical was.

03:16:11.050 --> 03:16:15.290
Colonel Kotakov went to his desk and
pulled from a folder marked bomb powder a

03:16:15.290 --> 03:16:19.070
sheet of paper and showed Major Jordan a
word he had first seen the previous month

03:16:19.070 --> 03:16:21.350
in the black leather suitcase,
uranium.

03:16:22.410 --> 03:16:25.890
Jordan wrote, this shipment was the one
and only cash item to pass through my

03:16:25.890 --> 03:16:29.170
hands except for private Russian purchases
of clothing and liquor.

03:16:29.330 --> 03:16:33.170
It was the only one out of a tremendous
multitude of consignments that I was

03:16:33.170 --> 03:16:35.410
ordered not to enter on my tally sheets.

03:16:36.190 --> 03:16:39.730
It was the only one I was forbidden to
discuss with my superiors and the only one

03:16:39.730 --> 03:16:42.070
I was directed to keep secret from
everybody.

03:16:42.530 --> 03:16:49.470
And so he tells in here how it came in 15
wooden cases and the cases were trucked to

03:16:49.470 --> 03:16:53.510
the air base at Great Falls, Montana,
took off for Fairbanks without a hitch.

03:16:55.930 --> 03:16:59.810
And at Fairbanks one box fell from the
plane smashing a corner and spilling a

03:16:59.810 --> 03:17:01.630
small quantity of chocolate brown powder.

03:17:02.010 --> 03:17:06.310
Out of curiosity a soldier there picked up
a handful of the unfamiliar grains with a

03:17:06.310 --> 03:17:07.890
notion of asking somebody what they were.

03:17:08.030 --> 03:17:11.770
A Soviet officer slapped the crystals from
his palm and explained nervously,

03:17:11.950 --> 03:17:13.310
no, no, burn hands.

03:17:14.310 --> 03:17:20.070
Totally three consignments of uranium
chemicals, 1465 pounds or nearly three

03:17:20.070 --> 03:17:22.170
quarters of a ton were shipped to the
Soviet Union.

03:17:22.530 --> 03:17:27.070
In addition, one kilogram or 2.2 pounds of
uranium metal was shipped at a time when

03:17:27.070 --> 03:17:29.790
the total American stock was 4.5 pounds.

03:17:30.070 --> 03:17:32.530
We sent them almost half of our stock.

03:17:33.550 --> 03:17:36.250
Major Jordan also, and this is all
documented material.

03:17:36.270 --> 03:17:38.670
Truth is stranger than fiction,
I'm convinced of that.

03:17:39.090 --> 03:17:42.610
Major Jordan also documented in his
meticulous style that even a thousand

03:17:42.610 --> 03:17:47.750
grams of precious deuterium oxide or heavy
water was sold to the Soviets in November

03:17:47.750 --> 03:17:48.530
1943.

03:17:49.250 --> 03:17:51.390
And the Jesuits were behind this?

03:17:51.850 --> 03:17:52.490
The Masons.

03:17:53.010 --> 03:17:54.770
Which was the arm of the Jesuits.

03:17:55.890 --> 03:17:59.270
Yes, I want to now pull some things
together here.

03:18:00.590 --> 03:18:00.670
And the purpose was?

03:18:00.670 --> 03:18:01.450
And the purpose was?

03:18:01.530 --> 03:18:06.170
Well, we were financing, we were aiding
Russia.

03:18:06.310 --> 03:18:10.770
Of course at that time Russia was our ally
in war against Germany.

03:18:10.770 --> 03:18:11.150
Right.

03:18:11.550 --> 03:18:17.830
But the point of all of this that William
still is making is that the Masons were

03:18:17.830 --> 03:18:24.790
carrying on their plan for a global order
in which there would be this social

03:18:24.790 --> 03:18:30.570
engineering of creating an environment to
create a certain kind of human being.

03:18:31.050 --> 03:18:32.090
A new world order.

03:18:32.210 --> 03:18:33.670
To create a new world order.

03:18:33.810 --> 03:18:37.890
And the Russian Revolution was an
experiment to accomplish that.

03:18:38.330 --> 03:18:40.710
Now, we discussed about family feuds,
John.

03:18:40.930 --> 03:18:45.630
You notice now how we've been talking
about how the Templars were feuding with

03:18:45.630 --> 03:18:46.250
the Papacy.

03:18:47.290 --> 03:18:53.570
And something interesting develops in this
book here toward the end.

03:18:54.730 --> 03:18:57.110
Right after Vatican II.

03:18:57.210 --> 03:18:58.290
You hear about that, John?

03:19:00.590 --> 03:19:07.450
In 1967, high officials of both Craft and
Scottish Rite Masonry actually sat down at

03:19:07.450 --> 03:19:11.970
the table with major leaders of the
Knights of Columbus to discuss their

03:19:11.970 --> 03:19:16.190
common goals of morality, patriotism,
and law and order.

03:19:16.930 --> 03:19:20.770
So, there was a real coming together right
after Vatican II.

03:19:21.170 --> 03:19:24.430
Not only in all these other dimensions
that we've been talking about,

03:19:24.810 --> 03:19:30.910
but between the ancient Knights Templar,
who are the Masons now, and the Knights of

03:19:30.910 --> 03:19:36.150
Columbus to discuss common goal 332 in the
book Born in Blood.

03:19:37.850 --> 03:19:40.350
So, what does it all mean?

03:19:40.850 --> 03:19:42.330
Now, what happened to our people?

03:19:42.530 --> 03:19:43.470
Let me ask you, John.

03:19:44.250 --> 03:19:49.270
Here we have, and I must grab here Malachi
Martin's book, because Malachi ties a lot

03:19:49.270 --> 03:19:49.810
of this together.

03:19:51.170 --> 03:19:51.810
Gramsciism.

03:19:52.250 --> 03:19:53.150
Who is Gramsci?

03:19:53.250 --> 03:19:59.530
Antonio Gramsci was an Italian communist
who said that the way Lenin is approaching

03:19:59.530 --> 03:20:05.410
the communist revolution will never work,
because Christianity has in it a seed of

03:20:05.410 --> 03:20:06.890
resistance against it.

03:20:07.030 --> 03:20:14.690
We have to destroy and secularize
Christianity in order to have the

03:20:14.690 --> 03:20:19.970
communist revolution spread over the
world, and we must use the intelligence

03:20:19.970 --> 03:20:25.410
community to accomplish this through
peaceful means.

03:20:25.930 --> 03:20:31.110
Through boardrooms, through political
parties, through parliaments, through

03:20:31.110 --> 03:20:33.730
political parties, through parliament,
through We must advance the cause of

03:20:33.730 --> 03:20:36.850
international socialism in this way.

03:20:37.490 --> 03:20:42.810
Now, what Malachi Martin tells us in page
after page here as he discusses Gramsciism

03:20:42.810 --> 03:20:48.990
in his book, Keys of This Blood,
is that the Roman Catholic Church absorbed

03:20:48.990 --> 03:20:55.730
this Gramsciism, and Gorbachev is the
ultimate example of Gramsciism in action,

03:20:56.270 --> 03:21:01.170
willing to even sacrifice the Russian
territorial integrity, the USSR

03:21:01.170 --> 03:21:06.530
territorial integrity, for the cause of
the principle of what they were about.

03:21:07.390 --> 03:21:11.450
And notice the close connection between
Gorbachev and the Pope, how they work

03:21:11.450 --> 03:21:17.870
together, and in here, in Keys of This
Blood, Malachi Martin says that the Roman

03:21:17.870 --> 03:21:24.890
Catholic Church took on this Gramsciism,
and then became the midwife and wet nurse

03:21:24.890 --> 03:21:30.030
for promoting secularism in America,
to accomplish this same purpose.

03:21:31.810 --> 03:21:34.410
Now, what happened to our believers?

03:21:35.150 --> 03:21:43.210
If the Russian experiment is a prototype
of what may be coming to some extent

03:21:43.210 --> 03:21:47.910
around the world with collectivism,
with the outworking of natural law,

03:21:48.450 --> 03:21:55.030
in a benign form now, penetrating all
over, developing a collectivism with the

03:21:55.030 --> 03:21:59.190
Roman Catholic Church having promoted it,
and now the Roman Catholic Church having

03:21:59.190 --> 03:22:04.670
promoted a secularism to destroy the
American Protestantism, and bringing in

03:22:04.670 --> 03:22:07.750
concepts of natural law, what does the
future hold?

03:22:07.810 --> 03:22:10.190
What happened to our believers in Russia?

03:22:10.270 --> 03:22:11.430
I want to grab a book here.

03:22:11.450 --> 03:22:19.330
Well, I know for a fact that, from what
I've heard from eyewitnesses and people

03:22:19.330 --> 03:22:24.450
that have come back from Russia since the
Iron Curtain has come down, that our true

03:22:24.450 --> 03:22:28.190
Seventh-day Adventist Church in Russia has
been underground for years.

03:22:28.450 --> 03:22:33.330
That what is above ground is the organized
church in Russia is a fake.

03:22:33.530 --> 03:22:34.270
It's a phony.

03:22:34.390 --> 03:22:35.170
It's a counterfeit.

03:22:35.350 --> 03:22:37.490
That's not the Seventh-day Adventist
Church in Russia.

03:22:37.790 --> 03:22:41.510
Well, what happened in Russia is most
significant for us.

03:22:41.650 --> 03:22:44.870
Here is a book entitled, True Witness,
John, the story of Seventh-day Adventists

03:22:44.870 --> 03:22:47.630
in the Soviet Union by Marie Sapietz.

03:22:48.970 --> 03:22:51.130
Is this written by a Seventh-day
Adventist?

03:22:51.150 --> 03:22:52.470
Non-Seventh-day Adventist.

03:22:52.530 --> 03:22:57.570
She's from Keston College, and Keston
College in England has studied the

03:22:57.570 --> 03:23:02.410
experience of Christians in the Eastern
Bloc nations under Communism.

03:23:02.870 --> 03:23:05.490
And she chose to write a book on
Seventh-day Adventists.

03:23:05.490 --> 03:23:07.030
Seventh-day Adventism.

03:23:07.150 --> 03:23:13.690
The true Seventh-day Adventists were
enormously influential in pushing for

03:23:13.690 --> 03:23:14.090
freedom.

03:23:14.990 --> 03:23:17.910
Just to mention something here.

03:23:17.970 --> 03:23:19.630
Well, let me give you a little history
first, John.

03:23:19.770 --> 03:23:26.590
In 1929, that's about a little over a
decade after the Bolshevik Revolution,

03:23:27.570 --> 03:23:31.090
a law was passed on religious associations
in Russia.

03:23:32.090 --> 03:23:36.790
And the upshot of that was that the
mainline Adventist Church decided to,

03:23:37.270 --> 03:23:43.990
as she documents, and here she quotes
right from their document, decided to go

03:23:43.990 --> 03:23:49.890
along with the Russian military,
sending their young men in, not making any

03:23:49.890 --> 03:23:53.870
provisos about non-combatancy or anything
like that.

03:23:53.950 --> 03:23:58.090
They would kill and they would violate the
Sabbath and all of that.

03:23:58.190 --> 03:24:01.050
And then there was a group of Seventh-day
Adventists that said, no, we cannot break

03:24:01.050 --> 03:24:02.690
the Fourth or Sixth Commandment.

03:24:03.270 --> 03:24:07.290
And they became known as the true and
faithful Seventh-day Adventists.

03:24:08.130 --> 03:24:11.990
They were the ones then that stood for
conscience through thick and thin.

03:24:12.290 --> 03:24:17.570
And their leader of them was a man named
Vladimir Shchelkov.

03:24:18.490 --> 03:24:25.130
And in his memoirs, Andrei Sakharov tells
of how he went to the trial of Shchelkov.

03:24:25.850 --> 03:24:29.630
Shchelkov was an enormously spiritually
powerful man.

03:24:30.170 --> 03:24:32.850
And he was an inspiration to Sakharov.

03:24:32.930 --> 03:24:37.210
Sakharov worked on developing the bomb,
the hydrogen bomb in Russia.

03:24:37.550 --> 03:24:38.870
A great physicist.

03:24:39.830 --> 03:24:42.110
And he went to the trial of Shchelkov.

03:24:42.390 --> 03:24:46.290
It was a religious trial because of
Shchelkov's convictions.

03:24:47.310 --> 03:24:48.770
He was not allowed to come in.

03:24:48.830 --> 03:24:54.110
But that gives us the idea of the
international stature that Shchelkov had.

03:24:54.510 --> 03:25:00.870
Shchelkov spent decades in prison camps,
in concentration camps.

03:25:01.210 --> 03:25:06.550
And I have heard it said that the members
of the people, inmates in the

03:25:06.550 --> 03:25:11.990
concentration camps, would always know
when Friday evening came and when sundown

03:25:11.990 --> 03:25:16.570
came because they would hear the screams
of those Adventists who would refuse to

03:25:16.570 --> 03:25:22.250
work and would be put to torture at that
time when sundown came Friday evening.

03:25:22.450 --> 03:25:25.130
We take the same Seventh-day Adventists
for granted.

03:25:25.270 --> 03:25:28.270
We take this wonderful truth we have for
granted.

03:25:28.670 --> 03:25:32.150
I tell you, if some of us were going
through what the true and faithful have

03:25:32.150 --> 03:25:36.410
gone through for years, we would know what
it really means to be Seventh-day

03:25:36.410 --> 03:25:37.090
Adventists.

03:25:37.310 --> 03:25:43.670
Now, the main line Seventh-day Adventist
church, their quote, registered church in

03:25:43.670 --> 03:25:48.790
Russia, began sending their kids to school
on Sabbath even, whereas the true and free

03:25:48.790 --> 03:25:51.170
faithful would not do that, you see.

03:25:51.570 --> 03:25:56.770
It was a matter of whether the orientation
to God will be supreme or the orientation

03:25:56.770 --> 03:25:58.030
to the state will be supreme.

03:25:58.030 --> 03:25:59.090
It was all coming down to.

03:25:59.090 --> 03:26:06.150
Now, on page 263 of this book,
True Witness, we read about some of the

03:26:06.150 --> 03:26:09.370
visitors that came to the Soviet Union in
the late seventies.

03:26:09.670 --> 03:26:15.670
What is so significant to us about what
the experience in Russia is, how did the

03:26:15.670 --> 03:26:19.190
various Adventist bodies relate to the
state and relate to God?

03:26:19.650 --> 03:26:24.570
Was God viewed as an inalienable
relationship that couldn't be sacrificed

03:26:24.570 --> 03:26:26.130
in any way, shape or form?

03:26:26.750 --> 03:26:31.990
Or was religious liberty to be fitted in
around the law of the state, like what we

03:26:31.990 --> 03:26:34.410
discussed with the Jesuit concept of
natural law?

03:26:34.470 --> 03:26:37.990
I think it's very significant that we find
out, because you see up until this time,

03:26:38.330 --> 03:26:42.170
as long as the Iron Curtain was up,
we had no idea what was really going on in

03:26:42.170 --> 03:26:44.210
the Soviet Union with our Adventist
people.

03:26:44.410 --> 03:26:48.790
But now that we have some freedom to know
that they have some freedom to get out and

03:26:48.790 --> 03:26:51.950
get the information out, I think it's very
significant that our Adventist people here

03:26:51.950 --> 03:26:55.830
in America find out what the true and
faithful Adventist in Russia went through,

03:26:56.070 --> 03:26:57.930
because Bob, I believe we're about the
same thing.

03:26:57.970 --> 03:27:02.070
We are already in the same situation,
and the Church is splitting down the same

03:27:02.070 --> 03:27:06.270
lines on the same philosophical,
theological issues.

03:27:06.430 --> 03:27:07.210
How did they deal with it?

03:27:07.290 --> 03:27:13.710
Will the Lord God of Heaven be our
ultimate norm, and will we refuse to bow,

03:27:13.910 --> 03:27:17.070
or will we bow and have religious liberty
after bowing?

03:27:17.330 --> 03:27:22.070
You see, here on page 263 of True Witness,
the story of Seventh-day Adventists in the

03:27:22.070 --> 03:27:22.710
Soviet Union.

03:27:23.470 --> 03:27:29.850
Read about what happened in the late 70s
and following when General Conference men

03:27:29.850 --> 03:27:31.650
began coming into Russia.

03:27:31.950 --> 03:27:33.750
Dr. Burt Beech, you remember him?

03:27:34.270 --> 03:27:34.870
Oh yes.

03:27:35.070 --> 03:27:41.450
Who visited the USSR in June of 1977,
repeated uncritically the statements of

03:27:41.450 --> 03:27:44.490
Soviet officials concerning the existence
of religious liberty.

03:27:44.930 --> 03:27:47.850
See, the Soviet officials would say,
we've got religious liberty in Russia,

03:27:48.070 --> 03:27:51.550
and in their Constitution they provide for
religious liberty.

03:27:51.770 --> 03:27:56.790
But, they say if the state security is
threatened, then, you know, the individual

03:27:56.790 --> 03:27:59.710
right has to be suspended in the name of
state security.

03:28:00.470 --> 03:28:05.290
That same thing has happened, of course,
in America, where the rights of Japanese

03:28:05.290 --> 03:28:11.330
Americans on the eve of World War II,
they were put in concentration camps under

03:28:11.330 --> 03:28:17.450
the preamble of the Constitution that is
for the common good, for the protection of

03:28:17.450 --> 03:28:18.090
the common good.

03:28:19.390 --> 03:28:22.990
Anyway, Beech repeated uncritically the
statements of Soviet officials concerning

03:28:22.990 --> 03:28:27.010
the existence of religious liberty,
sometimes reproducing even the original

03:28:27.010 --> 03:28:27.970
phraseology.

03:28:28.730 --> 03:28:32.390
Although he himself admitted that
religious freedom in the USSR was limited

03:28:32.390 --> 03:28:36.410
to worship in registered churches and
excluded almost any other form of

03:28:36.410 --> 03:28:40.810
religious activity, Dr. Beech also
asserted that, quote, believers have many

03:28:40.810 --> 03:28:45.530
opportunities for the practice of their
religion as long as such practice does not

03:28:45.530 --> 03:28:47.350
violate Soviet law, end quote.

03:28:47.950 --> 03:28:51.290
He then gave a list of such violations
which included, quote, playing on

03:28:51.290 --> 03:28:53.930
superstition, illegal printing
enterprises.

03:28:54.070 --> 03:28:58.290
You see, the underground True and Free
Adventists got a hold of a printing press

03:28:58.290 --> 03:29:01.230
and the KGB could not locate it.

03:29:01.390 --> 03:29:04.370
And they printed material and send it all
over.

03:29:04.410 --> 03:29:05.690
Bless their hearts, amen.

03:29:06.090 --> 03:29:07.650
Slandering the Soviet system.

03:29:07.790 --> 03:29:12.550
See, the True and Free were accused of
that because they went to the Helsinki

03:29:12.550 --> 03:29:18.930
watch groups and the meetings in Madrid,
the meetings monitoring religious liberty

03:29:18.930 --> 03:29:23.470
in Russia, and they sent in reports of how
they were being dragged before courts,

03:29:23.550 --> 03:29:26.730
how they were having their children taken
away from them, how they were being

03:29:26.730 --> 03:29:31.450
persecuted by the KGB for standing for
their convictions.

03:29:31.670 --> 03:29:34.510
And that's exactly what the independent
ministries are to do with our Adventist

03:29:34.510 --> 03:29:34.810
people.

03:29:35.090 --> 03:29:38.510
They are the only ones that are letting
our Adventist people know what is really

03:29:38.510 --> 03:29:42.090
going on, what the denominational
structure is really doing against the True

03:29:42.090 --> 03:29:42.610
and Faithful.

03:29:42.690 --> 03:29:45.930
And if it wasn't for the Adventists,
if it wasn't for the independent

03:29:45.930 --> 03:29:50.070
ministries that God has raised up to let
our Adventist people know what is really

03:29:50.070 --> 03:29:53.210
going on, they would be totally in the
dark, thinking that the structure was just

03:29:53.210 --> 03:29:57.330
doing wonderful things and having no idea
of the sinister underbelly of our

03:29:57.330 --> 03:29:58.310
denominational structure.

03:29:58.610 --> 03:29:58.850
Yes.

03:29:59.230 --> 03:30:05.730
So, see, the Registered Church and the
General Conference attacked the True and

03:30:05.730 --> 03:30:10.570
Free Faithful for slandering the Soviet
system because they told about what was

03:30:10.570 --> 03:30:14.450
really going on, and the persecution they
were enduring for having illegal printing

03:30:14.450 --> 03:30:20.050
enterprises, and, quote, refusing to abide
by the rules of Soviet society.

03:30:20.430 --> 03:30:26.930
So, see, you can see from that that the
Mainline Church, or the Registered Church,

03:30:27.330 --> 03:30:32.070
took the position that we have to first
fit in with the rules of Soviet society.

03:30:32.250 --> 03:30:36.330
If the Soviet society says our children
must go to school on Sabbath, we send our

03:30:36.330 --> 03:30:39.730
kids to school on Sabbath, and then we
have religious liberty after that.

03:30:39.790 --> 03:30:40.170
That's right.

03:30:40.170 --> 03:30:45.630
Whereas the True and Free Adventists said,
we will have the inalienable rights given

03:30:45.630 --> 03:30:49.410
us by God, and we will practice our
religious liberty according to the Gospel

03:30:49.410 --> 03:30:52.490
Commission, regardless of Soviet law.

03:30:52.510 --> 03:30:54.750
And what does the organization,
and what does the structure say?

03:30:54.930 --> 03:30:59.230
That if these dissidents do not go along,
they are the ones who are causing us

03:30:59.230 --> 03:31:04.270
problems with fitting into the norm here,
and they must be exterminated.

03:31:05.110 --> 03:31:09.630
He didn't, he, Beach, did not explain that
such charges could be used against any

03:31:09.630 --> 03:31:14.370
kind of religious activities, and gave no
examples of persons who had committed the

03:31:14.370 --> 03:31:18.230
crimes, but merely stated that,
quote, a serious religious liberty dilemma

03:31:18.230 --> 03:31:22.490
could arise if there were a conflict of
conscience between the requirements of

03:31:22.490 --> 03:31:24.550
belief and the dictates of law,
end quote.

03:31:24.910 --> 03:31:30.130
Dr. Beach gave no indication that this
dilemma already existed, not only among

03:31:30.130 --> 03:31:32.910
Adventists, but in all the churches of the
Soviet Union.

03:31:33.370 --> 03:31:39.010
He went on to make a wholly artificial
distinction between Russian and American

03:31:39.010 --> 03:31:44.830
concepts of liberty, asserting that Soviet
citizens had collective economic and

03:31:44.830 --> 03:31:50.070
social rights, but not freedom to oppose
the social order or criticize the

03:31:50.070 --> 03:31:54.510
established socio-political structures,
a right apparently reserved for

03:31:54.510 --> 03:31:55.250
Westerners.

03:31:55.710 --> 03:31:56.410
Very interesting.

03:31:57.270 --> 03:32:01.330
He thus dismissed the whole problem of
individual civil rights as somehow

03:32:01.330 --> 03:32:05.510
relevant only in Western countries,
and seemed to accept the Soviet

03:32:05.510 --> 03:32:08.410
government's right to forbid criticism or
opposition.

03:32:09.390 --> 03:32:14.270
In so doing, Dr. Beach also ignored
completely the existence of native Russian

03:32:14.270 --> 03:32:19.030
movements for human and religious rights,
including that of the true and free

03:32:19.030 --> 03:32:19.630
Adventists.

03:32:20.010 --> 03:32:23.230
Although Western Adventists have stressed
the necessity of acquainting themselves

03:32:23.230 --> 03:32:27.630
with Soviet laws before visiting the USSR,
they have only occasionally made any

03:32:27.630 --> 03:32:31.730
effort in their press articles to explain
whether the either the Soviet Constitution

03:32:31.730 --> 03:32:35.170
or the laws on religion in a clear and
precise manner.

03:32:36.330 --> 03:32:39.330
You know, when BB Beach gave that
medallion to the Pope in 1972,

03:32:39.670 --> 03:32:44.890
and he presented Pope John Paul II with
that medallion, there was no video made of

03:32:44.890 --> 03:32:45.030
that.

03:32:45.090 --> 03:32:47.310
We have no video of that.

03:32:47.430 --> 03:32:48.690
I would love to have a video of that.

03:32:48.770 --> 03:32:53.630
I just wonder, Bob, if BB Beach kissed the
ring of the Pope when he gave him that

03:32:53.630 --> 03:32:54.290
medallion.

03:32:54.310 --> 03:33:02.410
We don't know that, but at any rate,
this shows us that the Church divided.

03:33:02.770 --> 03:33:11.230
It split over this issue of will God come
first or will we first obey Soviet law and

03:33:11.230 --> 03:33:12.770
then practice religious liberty.

03:33:12.970 --> 03:33:18.350
The second position is exactly the
position of the Jesuit concept of natural

03:33:18.350 --> 03:33:18.750
law.

03:33:18.970 --> 03:33:24.510
First, you fit into the order of society,
the law of society, and then you have your

03:33:24.510 --> 03:33:26.050
subjective rights after that.

03:33:26.330 --> 03:33:31.830
But the Protestant concept is you have
inalienable rights, like in our Bill of

03:33:31.830 --> 03:33:37.290
Rights, that must be practiced first
before God, regardless of the law of the

03:33:37.290 --> 03:33:37.550
state.

03:33:37.650 --> 03:33:39.370
We ought to obey God rather than men.

03:33:40.110 --> 03:33:43.210
Catholicism versus Protestantism,
that's what it boils down to.

03:33:43.230 --> 03:33:47.470
Now, John, there's some very interesting
things that have just come to my

03:33:47.470 --> 03:33:47.890
attention.

03:33:49.070 --> 03:33:51.590
In Izvestia, you know what that is?

03:33:51.710 --> 03:33:52.270
No, I don't.

03:33:52.370 --> 03:33:55.250
The Russian, the great Russian paper,
Izvestia.

03:33:55.370 --> 03:33:56.190
Oh, Izvestia, okay.

03:33:56.670 --> 03:33:57.730
Is that like Tass?

03:33:58.010 --> 03:34:00.790
Yes, like Tass and Pravda, Izvestia.

03:34:01.470 --> 03:34:07.730
In April 23 of this year, I have... here's
the Russian, if you want to follow along

03:34:07.730 --> 03:34:08.890
in that, John.

03:34:08.990 --> 03:34:11.530
Yes, I'll just follow right along.

03:34:11.970 --> 03:34:12.770
There's the Russian.

03:34:13.450 --> 03:34:21.610
Now, I'm going to read from this Izvestia
that came out April 23 of 1992,

03:34:22.350 --> 03:34:28.730
has quotations right out of the KGB
archives.

03:34:29.250 --> 03:34:32.570
You see, under Glasnost and Perestroika...
Those things have been opened up.

03:34:32.990 --> 03:34:34.550
The archives have been opened up.

03:34:35.530 --> 03:34:42.470
And here, here we read in Izvestia,
there's an article entitled, The Eternal

03:34:42.470 --> 03:34:44.030
Slave of the Cheka.

03:34:44.670 --> 03:34:47.630
Cheka, remember, was the precursor of the
KGB.

03:34:47.890 --> 03:34:53.010
They still call the KGB officers Chekists
in Russia.

03:34:54.050 --> 03:35:00.450
Eternal Slave of the Cheka by Polosin in
Izvestia, 23 April 1992, page 3.

03:35:00.610 --> 03:35:06.390
Quote, Of a number of religious authors,
clergy, and technical personnel,

03:35:07.030 --> 03:35:13.090
47 agents of the KGB, as a part of the
religious delegation of the USSR,

03:35:13.830 --> 03:35:17.790
were sent to Vancouver, Canada,
for the Sixth General Assembly of the

03:35:17.790 --> 03:35:19.670
Worldwide Council of Churches.

03:35:19.990 --> 03:35:25.190
So we have here now, from the KGB
archives, we know that the Sixth General

03:35:25.190 --> 03:35:29.030
Assembly, the seventh was just held over
in Australia, the Sixth General Assembly,

03:35:29.150 --> 03:35:37.990
a few years ago, had, in the religious
delegation from the USSR, 47 KGB agents.

03:35:38.650 --> 03:35:41.530
All right, just keep that tucked under
your head as we read along here.

03:35:42.610 --> 03:35:48.090
From the reports of the Fourth Department
of the Fifth Directorate of the KGB of the

03:35:48.090 --> 03:35:55.090
USSR, that's where these are coming from
now, in June of 1986, quote, work on the

03:35:55.090 --> 03:36:00.290
preparation and advancement of a meeting
of the sectarian church, Belokrinitsky,

03:36:00.910 --> 03:36:04.310
at which will occur the selection of the
head of this church.

03:36:05.290 --> 03:36:07.070
All right, you get the picture.

03:36:07.210 --> 03:36:08.690
Here is a sectarian church.

03:36:09.070 --> 03:36:11.510
They're going to be selecting the head of
the church.

03:36:11.610 --> 03:36:13.250
It's June 1986.

03:36:14.230 --> 03:36:21.790
In connection with this, in 20 organs of
the KGB, the UKGB conducted an orientation

03:36:21.790 --> 03:36:26.630
with the request for the support by all
current means of the candidate preferred

03:36:26.630 --> 03:36:27.170
by us.

03:36:27.450 --> 03:36:28.230
So what are they doing?

03:36:28.590 --> 03:36:34.530
They're manipulating the election of the
head of this religious sect in Russia

03:36:34.530 --> 03:36:38.590
using an enormous effort on the part of
the KGB.

03:36:38.890 --> 03:36:40.710
20 organs of the KGB.

03:36:40.730 --> 03:36:42.370
Sounds like the general conference
session.

03:36:43.030 --> 03:36:50.410
This is a KGB working in Russia in 1986,
October 1986, quote, conjointly with the

03:36:50.410 --> 03:36:56.630
PGU of the KGB of the USSR, action was
taken for the discrediting of the ring

03:36:56.630 --> 03:36:58.630
leader of the T.N.

03:36:59.210 --> 03:37:01.550
Karlovatsky church, Archbishop Vitalin.

03:37:01.850 --> 03:37:03.190
All right, here's a man they didn't like.

03:37:03.930 --> 03:37:06.170
So the KGB discredited him.

03:37:06.570 --> 03:37:08.550
Have you ever heard about people being
discredited, John?

03:37:09.130 --> 03:37:11.410
Seems to me I have heard about that.

03:37:13.110 --> 03:37:14.150
November 1986.

03:37:14.310 --> 03:37:18.070
Now pay close attention to this one,
John, because it deals with our church.

03:37:20.230 --> 03:37:25.350
Through the leading agency of a number of
preachers, and let me give you,

03:37:25.490 --> 03:37:33.830
I got a direct translation on this over
the telephone from a Russian speaker,

03:37:34.670 --> 03:37:37.150
a native Russian who knows languages.

03:37:38.710 --> 03:37:45.650
She gave me a very careful translation of
this, a rather literal one, and I'll read

03:37:45.650 --> 03:37:46.050
it now here.

03:37:46.110 --> 03:37:51.430
Through the leading agency from among the
ministers of S.D.A., that would be Seventh

03:37:51.430 --> 03:37:59.250
Day Adventists, in Tula there was a
re-election of the senior minister,

03:37:59.310 --> 03:38:04.870
and she said it means the senior minister,
the head of the church in the central

03:38:04.870 --> 03:38:06.530
region, that's of the USSR.

03:38:07.810 --> 03:38:14.610
As a result, to this position again was
promoted agent Svetlov.

03:38:16.010 --> 03:38:24.010
Now agent Svetlov is a code name for a KGB
agent who was re-elected to the position

03:38:24.010 --> 03:38:30.650
of being head of the Seventh Day Adventist
Church in the central region of the USSR

03:38:30.650 --> 03:38:33.550
in November of 1986.

03:38:34.650 --> 03:38:39.030
The head of the Seventh Day Adventist
Church in Russia was a KGB agent?

03:38:39.170 --> 03:38:46.870
Of the central region of the Seventh Day
Adventist Registered Church in the USSR,

03:38:47.390 --> 03:38:55.750
the head of it of the central region was
re-elected in 1986, and as a result to

03:38:55.750 --> 03:38:59.810
this position again was promoted agent
Svetlov.

03:39:00.130 --> 03:39:01.310
Now who is agent Svetlov?

03:39:01.870 --> 03:39:06.470
How would you find out from circumstantial
evidence who this man was?

03:39:06.690 --> 03:39:12.830
Well, we went to the Adventist yearbook to
find out who the head of the central

03:39:12.830 --> 03:39:17.010
region of the USSR was both before and
after this election.

03:39:19.150 --> 03:39:22.030
And Terry, look this up for me in the
yearbook.

03:39:22.650 --> 03:39:27.790
1985, do you know who the head of the
central region of the USSR was?

03:39:30.110 --> 03:39:30.810
Kulikov.

03:39:30.970 --> 03:39:31.490
Kulikov.

03:39:31.690 --> 03:39:32.290
Kulikov.

03:39:33.110 --> 03:39:40.330
In 1988, the next yearbook that we had,
after that, Kulikov was still the

03:39:40.330 --> 03:39:41.870
president of the central region.

03:39:41.870 --> 03:39:43.850
Are you saying that Kulikov was a KGB
agent?

03:39:45.050 --> 03:39:50.930
What I'm saying, John, is that the KGB
archives say that in November 1986,

03:39:51.330 --> 03:39:56.970
the head of the central region was
re-elected, and he was a KGB agent

03:39:56.970 --> 03:39:59.250
codenamed agent Svetlov.

03:39:59.370 --> 03:40:03.090
And according to the circumstantial
evidence that we have from the yearbook,

03:40:03.590 --> 03:40:08.870
Kulikov was head of that region in 1985
and in 1988, both before and after the

03:40:08.870 --> 03:40:09.230
election.

03:40:09.230 --> 03:40:13.790
And according to verbal testimony from
Seventh-day Adventists in Russia,

03:40:15.190 --> 03:40:23.490
it was Kulikov who was re-elected in
November of 1986 to be the head of the

03:40:23.490 --> 03:40:26.370
central region of Seventh-day Adventists.

03:40:26.730 --> 03:40:31.550
So you're saying that the above-ground
church in Russia, before the fall of the

03:40:31.550 --> 03:40:38.650
Soviet Union, here just recently,
was nothing but a front for the KGB?

03:40:39.010 --> 03:40:43.450
They were KGB agents that were the
above-ground Seventh-day Adventist church

03:40:43.450 --> 03:40:43.950
in Russia?

03:40:44.290 --> 03:40:46.710
It wasn't just the Seventh-day Adventist
church, John.

03:40:47.130 --> 03:40:48.590
Look at this article here.

03:40:48.690 --> 03:40:52.530
The leader of the Russian Orthodox Church
is called KGB spy.

03:40:54.370 --> 03:40:59.830
But Kulikov is the one that Neil Wilson,
as General Conference President,

03:41:00.130 --> 03:41:02.010
was such big, big buddies with.

03:41:02.070 --> 03:41:05.190
And remember when they came over here to
the United States and took the tour of the

03:41:05.190 --> 03:41:08.250
media center and how they were beating the
drum in the Adventist Review and

03:41:08.250 --> 03:41:10.810
everything about all the wonderful things
going on over in Russia?

03:41:11.190 --> 03:41:13.390
Oh, they just had a field day with that.

03:41:13.650 --> 03:41:18.750
And they, you know, in Liberty Magazine,
all the pictures of our religious liberty

03:41:18.750 --> 03:41:25.290
leaders and all working on the closest
level with the Council on Religious

03:41:25.290 --> 03:41:29.210
Affairs in Russia, which had been
persecuting the true and free Adventists.

03:41:29.210 --> 03:41:30.030
That were underground.

03:41:30.550 --> 03:41:31.530
That were underground.

03:41:31.530 --> 03:41:32.710
That we didn't hear anything about.

03:41:33.330 --> 03:41:41.270
And, you know, John, we don't know in this
world all of the implications of what is

03:41:41.270 --> 03:41:41.610
going on.

03:41:41.630 --> 03:41:45.630
But a KGB agent would know how to
discredit, wouldn't he?

03:41:45.790 --> 03:41:46.270
I believe so.

03:41:46.270 --> 03:41:47.930
He would know how to work with the KGB.

03:41:47.930 --> 03:41:49.410
That's what he was a mastermind.

03:41:49.470 --> 03:41:50.350
That's what he was trained in.

03:41:50.510 --> 03:41:55.570
And you have the documentation there to
show that these, now that the KGB files

03:41:55.570 --> 03:41:59.150
have been opened up since the demise of
the Soviet Union, and we have the

03:41:59.150 --> 03:42:04.070
documentation coming out of the closet,
that these guys were KGB agents.

03:42:04.190 --> 03:42:10.290
I've checked it with two Russian speakers,
one of whom was in the field of

03:42:10.290 --> 03:42:17.810
intelligence in our military, who was a
Russian translator for years, as well as

03:42:17.810 --> 03:42:19.170
this native-speaking Russian.

03:42:20.110 --> 03:42:24.810
Well, now that the Soviet Union is no
longer, what's happened to the KGB?

03:42:25.110 --> 03:42:26.670
It's still in place.

03:42:26.870 --> 03:42:32.090
Don't you remember what we just read about
the, what Malachi Martin said,

03:42:32.210 --> 03:42:39.570
that this whole apparatus of 20 million
executioners, spymasters, KGB agents and

03:42:39.570 --> 03:42:43.710
all of that, it is still in place,
like a chameleon waiting to spring into

03:42:43.710 --> 03:42:44.530
action again.

03:42:44.650 --> 03:42:52.830
You know who was, who was foremost in
formulating this great bond with these KGB

03:42:52.830 --> 03:42:53.990
agents that we're just now finding?

03:42:54.050 --> 03:42:55.030
It was Neil Wilson.

03:42:55.450 --> 03:42:59.910
And you know who's still working behind
the scenes, and is Bob Falkenberg's

03:42:59.910 --> 03:43:04.170
right-hand man, and many believe is still
running the show, is Neil Wilson.

03:43:04.350 --> 03:43:05.690
He's in charge of Russian affairs.

03:43:06.270 --> 03:43:07.690
Isn't that amazing?

03:43:07.890 --> 03:43:11.850
Neil Wilson is in charge of Russian
affairs, and he's the one that organized

03:43:11.850 --> 03:43:15.450
all of these guys, and finding out,
we're finding out now that they were

03:43:15.450 --> 03:43:23.110
nothing but KGB agents, and what,
is it possible, Bob, is it possible that

03:43:23.110 --> 03:43:32.090
Neil Wilson is now using these KGB agents
here in America, has brought them over to

03:43:32.090 --> 03:43:33.830
America, and is using them here?

03:43:35.270 --> 03:43:36.530
We don't know.

03:43:36.870 --> 03:43:37.570
We don't know.

03:43:37.750 --> 03:43:41.210
You see, there's so much that we don't
know, John, but what we do know,

03:43:41.330 --> 03:43:44.770
we need to be aware of the potential for.

03:43:44.770 --> 03:43:46.010
I put nothing past these guys.

03:43:46.850 --> 03:43:51.710
Here, the leader of the Russian Orthodox
Church is called KGB spy, and his codename

03:43:51.710 --> 03:44:00.070
was Drozdov, and almost all of the
ministry in the Russian Orthodox Church

03:44:00.070 --> 03:44:05.030
were either KGB spies, or collaborators,
or informers.

03:44:05.150 --> 03:44:06.570
Listen, let me tell our viewers something.

03:44:06.670 --> 03:44:12.110
This is, this, you know, each one of these
videos, we come out with some amazing,

03:44:12.550 --> 03:44:16.790
you, you just blow us away, Bob,
with some of the documentation that you

03:44:16.790 --> 03:44:17.290
come out with.

03:44:17.590 --> 03:44:22.190
This sounds pretty far-fetched,
but listen, folks, if you think that this

03:44:22.190 --> 03:44:24.310
is far, far-fetched, get this material.

03:44:24.390 --> 03:44:25.910
It's going to be in the documentation
packet.

03:44:26.190 --> 03:44:28.150
You get Russian translators of your own.

03:44:28.190 --> 03:44:31.490
If you know somebody that speaks fluent
Russian, a Russian native, you know,

03:44:31.530 --> 03:44:32.630
interpret these things.

03:44:32.950 --> 03:44:36.910
Look at some of these files that we have
brought, that Bob has brought out of the

03:44:36.910 --> 03:44:43.310
KGB unpublished stuff that's now being
published, secret files of the KGB with

03:44:43.310 --> 03:44:44.350
the demise of the USSR.

03:44:44.790 --> 03:44:46.090
Come to your own conclusions, folks.

03:44:46.130 --> 03:44:47.350
We're not making this stuff up.

03:44:47.870 --> 03:44:50.790
Let me read about the experience of the
Russian Orthodox Church.

03:44:51.070 --> 03:44:51.610
Unbelievable.

03:44:51.810 --> 03:44:56.430
You know, personally, we can't,
we can't level charges, but we know what

03:44:56.430 --> 03:45:00.210
the KGB does and the tactics that they
use.

03:45:00.290 --> 03:45:05.250
In fact, John, I've got a book here
entitled KGB.

03:45:05.450 --> 03:45:14.190
Now that the USSR has crumbled,
there's much more freedom for Russians to

03:45:14.190 --> 03:45:15.110
come to America.

03:45:15.430 --> 03:45:22.490
I cannot help but believe, Bob,
that, that some of these KGB agents that

03:45:22.490 --> 03:45:30.430
are no longer needed so much in the Soviet
Union, in Russia, can be brought over here

03:45:30.430 --> 03:45:32.430
to America because they are skilled.

03:45:32.770 --> 03:45:36.350
Those men are skilled in espionage.

03:45:36.490 --> 03:45:37.190
They are skilled.

03:45:37.470 --> 03:45:43.350
And if you were Neil Wilson and Bob
Falkenberg, who would you use these

03:45:43.350 --> 03:45:47.830
imported KGB agents that are skilled and
trained in espionage and

03:45:47.830 --> 03:45:48.590
counterintelligence?

03:45:48.670 --> 03:45:49.930
How would you use them?

03:45:49.950 --> 03:45:51.770
Who would you use them against?

03:45:52.010 --> 03:45:54.410
Well, we just read, read the archives.

03:45:54.690 --> 03:45:56.570
What did the KGB do?

03:45:56.710 --> 03:45:58.970
They discredited the ones they wanted to
discredit.

03:45:59.210 --> 03:46:00.870
They elevated the ones they wanted to.

03:46:00.910 --> 03:46:02.150
They controlled elections.

03:46:02.530 --> 03:46:05.210
They manipulated the church, you see.

03:46:06.630 --> 03:46:11.750
And when you put this together,
John, with the use by Grantskyism,

03:46:12.150 --> 03:46:22.950
the concept of Grantskyism, with the use
of the KGB apparatus to extend concepts

03:46:22.950 --> 03:46:28.370
over the Western world, it's happened,
it's flowed right through the Roman

03:46:28.370 --> 03:46:30.070
Catholic Church now for decades.

03:46:31.170 --> 03:46:32.530
Is there a possibility?

03:46:32.810 --> 03:46:36.130
A possibility is always there and we have
to be careful, you know, when we,

03:46:36.470 --> 03:46:41.830
about leveling charges, but we have to be
open to the possibility that this thing

03:46:41.830 --> 03:46:44.270
could be far more all-pervasive than we
know.

03:46:44.270 --> 03:46:46.090
There's so much that we don't know.

03:46:47.290 --> 03:46:49.010
I'm going to tell you something here,
brother.

03:46:51.780 --> 03:46:58.560
You realize that within the last 30 days,
the headquarters of Prophecy Countdown

03:46:58.560 --> 03:47:00.540
have been broken into four times.

03:47:01.640 --> 03:47:05.620
They have bypassed security locks.

03:47:06.400 --> 03:47:09.660
They have bypassed electronic security
devices.

03:47:10.940 --> 03:47:16.580
They have entered into our computers by
something that we've had computer people

03:47:16.580 --> 03:47:16.740
into.

03:47:16.840 --> 03:47:22.880
They say they had something called a boot
disk that they could bypass all computer

03:47:22.880 --> 03:47:29.300
words, all bypass words, all code words,
and were able to get into the internal

03:47:29.300 --> 03:47:31.520
disk of our computers.

03:47:32.560 --> 03:47:35.140
They were, they did not have master keys.

03:47:35.260 --> 03:47:39.280
We thought it was an inside job at first,
but we've come, but with the detectives

03:47:39.280 --> 03:47:45.620
from the Lake County Sheriff's Department,
they said that it is not, they are

03:47:45.620 --> 03:47:50.120
dealing, we are dealing with professional
thieves, professional criminals that they

03:47:50.120 --> 03:47:52.100
have not seen the likes of in this county.

03:47:52.180 --> 03:47:53.740
They said these are out-of-town people.

03:47:53.960 --> 03:47:56.400
These are trained professional thieves.

03:47:56.600 --> 03:48:01.780
They were able to pick the locks,
and we have good locks, Schlag locks and

03:48:01.780 --> 03:48:03.240
deadbolts.

03:48:03.400 --> 03:48:07.240
They were able to pick the locks,
come into the Brink security system that

03:48:07.240 --> 03:48:12.520
we have installed in this place,
using alligator clips, bypassing the

03:48:12.520 --> 03:48:18.140
electronic security devices, motion
detectors that we have here, able to get

03:48:18.140 --> 03:48:23.800
into our computers using boot disk,
and on four different occasions,

03:48:23.880 --> 03:48:27.340
before we found out that this,
that we were being, that our security was

03:48:27.340 --> 03:48:30.720
being compromised like this, and we now
have proof that they were in on four

03:48:30.720 --> 03:48:33.860
different occasions, and they went in for
one reason, and one reason only.

03:48:33.960 --> 03:48:34.700
Nothing was taken.

03:48:35.620 --> 03:48:37.280
We have not missed anything.

03:48:37.380 --> 03:48:38.500
Nothing has been taken.

03:48:38.740 --> 03:48:39.600
They took no money.

03:48:39.700 --> 03:48:40.560
They took no checks.

03:48:40.680 --> 03:48:41.460
They took no equipment.

03:48:41.920 --> 03:48:44.680
They were coming for one reason,
and one reason alone, and they found the

03:48:44.680 --> 03:48:49.480
computer, and they went into it four
times, and that is the computer from our

03:48:49.480 --> 03:48:55.060
accounting department that states how much
money comes into this ministry.

03:48:55.280 --> 03:48:59.540
This is exactly what the KGB knows how to
do expertly.

03:48:59.580 --> 03:49:02.220
Now Bob, this is what has happened in the
last four weeks in this ministry.

03:49:02.360 --> 03:49:05.960
We have been terrorized by some,
by professional criminals.

03:49:06.160 --> 03:49:09.120
You can ask the Sheriff's Department,
the detectives of the Sheriff's Department

03:49:09.120 --> 03:49:13.240
of Lake County, that we are dealing with
professional out-of-town thieves that are

03:49:13.240 --> 03:49:17.460
able to bypass all security systems and
all locks that they have not encountered

03:49:17.460 --> 03:49:18.540
before in this county.

03:49:18.660 --> 03:49:20.380
These are out-of-town professionals.

03:49:20.820 --> 03:49:22.180
Now Bob, I want to tell you something.

03:49:23.240 --> 03:49:31.600
Do you believe that the Baptist Church is
interested in how much money comes into

03:49:31.600 --> 03:49:32.420
Prophecy Countdown?

03:49:32.620 --> 03:49:32.880
No.

03:49:33.260 --> 03:49:37.860
Do you think that the Catholic Church is
interested in how much money comes into

03:49:37.860 --> 03:49:38.820
Prophecy Countdown?

03:49:38.820 --> 03:49:45.400
They said it was a deep pocket
organization that had the money and the

03:49:45.400 --> 03:49:51.660
resources to hire the best of the best
professional thieves to come in and to go

03:49:51.660 --> 03:49:57.460
into our computer system, wanting and risk
all of this to find out one thing and one

03:49:57.460 --> 03:50:01.520
thing only, and that was how much money
was coming into Prophecy Countdown.

03:50:02.100 --> 03:50:07.000
Now Bob, we are dealing, we are dealing
with satanic, satanic forces.

03:50:07.600 --> 03:50:12.740
And it doesn't take a rocket scientist to
figure out who it was that hired

03:50:12.740 --> 03:50:17.120
professional thieves to break into this
ministry and compromise our computer

03:50:17.120 --> 03:50:17.600
system.

03:50:17.860 --> 03:50:20.660
We have increased the security around this
ministry.

03:50:20.880 --> 03:50:24.260
And I want to tell you folks, it's
frightening what we're dealing with here.

03:50:24.540 --> 03:50:32.160
And I just think it's important that you
know the satanic, diabolical people that

03:50:32.160 --> 03:50:33.080
we are dealing with.

03:50:33.260 --> 03:50:37.760
And you know, our people have their head
in the sand thinking that we're dealing

03:50:37.760 --> 03:50:42.100
with a very pious, holy, sanctimonious
leadership.

03:50:42.540 --> 03:50:46.800
But I want to tell you, it doesn't take a
genius to figure out who it was that was

03:50:46.800 --> 03:50:51.220
responsible for breaking into our ministry
and accessing our computers to find out

03:50:51.220 --> 03:50:52.460
how much money we take in.

03:50:52.620 --> 03:50:58.700
And now that you are explaining this about
how the KGB agents were the, were the

03:50:58.700 --> 03:51:03.450
visible Seventh-day Adventist Church in
Russia, and now that they are available

03:51:04.520 --> 03:51:09.540
for work here in America and the 47 that
you mentioned came to America,

03:51:09.660 --> 03:51:12.660
these 47 churches... Vancouver,
British Columbia.

03:51:12.880 --> 03:51:14.580
Over to North America.

03:51:15.060 --> 03:51:18.420
And with the cozy relationship that Neil
Wilson, our denomination, has had with

03:51:18.420 --> 03:51:25.280
these KGB agents, it doesn't take you long
to figure out a very believable scenario.

03:51:25.500 --> 03:51:25.880
That's right.

03:51:26.200 --> 03:51:28.620
It certainly is a believable scenario,
John.

03:51:29.020 --> 03:51:31.460
And this stuff is absolutely diabolical.

03:51:31.560 --> 03:51:37.640
In fact, in his book, Andrei Sakharov,
he describes an incident that took place

03:51:37.640 --> 03:51:39.400
in, in his life.

03:51:39.840 --> 03:51:48.340
He had to go down to the telephone and he
went with his wife.

03:51:48.680 --> 03:51:52.620
Usually they had someone staying in their
apartment because he had had his memoirs

03:51:52.620 --> 03:51:53.700
stolen again and again.

03:51:54.860 --> 03:52:03.940
And what happened was he, he left his
apartment empty for an hour or so,

03:52:04.100 --> 03:52:05.880
something we normally tried to avoid.

03:52:05.960 --> 03:52:07.200
This is page 486.

03:52:07.800 --> 03:52:11.760
When we knew we'd be, we'd all be out at
the same time, we'd usually take the most

03:52:11.760 --> 03:52:13.100
important papers with us.

03:52:13.440 --> 03:52:15.480
But that day we neglected to do so.

03:52:16.160 --> 03:52:17.580
Notice they were gone for one hour.

03:52:18.220 --> 03:52:23.000
Lucia and I went out to a bookstore around
one o'clock, soon after Ruth and Lisa,

03:52:23.200 --> 03:52:26.860
who was living with us, left for the
International Telephone Office.

03:52:27.340 --> 03:52:31.620
It was impossible to call Alexei or Tanya
or Ephraim from our apartment.

03:52:32.100 --> 03:52:36.020
The KGB agent who monitored our line would
immediately terminate the conversation.

03:52:36.560 --> 03:52:39.040
Not being able to talk is worse than being
bugged.

03:52:39.220 --> 03:52:41.180
See, they would terminate conversations
right in the middle.

03:52:41.700 --> 03:52:44.440
After all, unpleasant as bugging is,
we still had nothing to hide.

03:52:44.880 --> 03:52:49.040
Ruth and Lisa had managed to place several
calls to Alexei from the telephone office,

03:52:49.240 --> 03:52:50.760
but this time they were cut off.

03:52:50.900 --> 03:52:53.380
We all returned to the apartment about the
same time.

03:52:53.960 --> 03:52:56.960
A few minutes later, Lisa called out from
the bathroom, where's my robe?

03:52:57.000 --> 03:52:57.860
I can't find it.

03:52:58.440 --> 03:53:02.020
We discovered a strange assortment of
things missing, old clothing, including

03:53:02.020 --> 03:53:05.980
the pants they like to wear around the
house, a favorite blue jacket which Klava

03:53:05.980 --> 03:53:10.160
had bought for me, and my eyeglasses,
while more valuable possessions in plain

03:53:10.160 --> 03:53:11.280
sight had not been taken.

03:53:12.100 --> 03:53:18.260
When Lydia Chukovskaya came by the next
day for a visit and asked to take a look

03:53:18.260 --> 03:53:22.220
at something I'd written, I discovered
that my document box had been rifled.

03:53:22.580 --> 03:53:26.480
The letter to Brezhnev had disappeared,
as had the manuscript representing five

03:53:26.480 --> 03:53:27.900
months work on these memoirs.

03:53:28.220 --> 03:53:32.120
This was the first of many thefts or
confiscations, call them what you will,

03:53:32.120 --> 03:53:34.780
of this Sisyphean labor of mine.

03:53:36.880 --> 03:53:42.760
And then, he says, dropping down here,
it was obvious the KGB had gone through

03:53:42.760 --> 03:53:45.700
the apartment, despite the theft of the
clothing.

03:53:46.400 --> 03:53:50.440
We had locked the apartment door when we
left, and it was locked when we returned,

03:53:50.860 --> 03:53:53.760
but keys are no problem for the KGB
specialists.

03:53:54.700 --> 03:53:58.080
Four years later, Lucia and I would
undergo an official search aboard the

03:53:58.080 --> 03:54:02.820
Gorky Moscow train, but back then,
the KGB still preferred to use covert,

03:54:03.380 --> 03:54:04.060
unofficial methods.

03:54:04.180 --> 03:54:05.460
So they were gone for one hour.

03:54:05.840 --> 03:54:09.600
In that one hour, they penetrated through
the locks, just got what they want,

03:54:09.740 --> 03:54:10.240
and went out.

03:54:10.440 --> 03:54:10.700
Bob?

03:54:13.820 --> 03:54:17.360
After this happened, when we became aware
that this had happened, that we'd been

03:54:17.360 --> 03:54:24.300
broken into, we contacted a company in
Orlando that specializes in surveillance

03:54:24.300 --> 03:54:28.340
and bugging equipment, and see if your
place has been bugged.

03:54:28.780 --> 03:54:33.860
And the gentleman came up here on an
initial call with some equipment,

03:54:34.320 --> 03:54:38.980
and went through our building,
and he had this, it's a little,

03:54:39.160 --> 03:54:44.660
I can't explain, it's a kind of a
detector-type thing that senses electronic

03:54:44.660 --> 03:54:46.020
listening devices.

03:54:46.340 --> 03:54:48.200
I want to tell you folks, we are not
paranoid.

03:54:48.360 --> 03:54:52.640
I do not suffer from paranoia,
and I've taken great pride in my life that

03:54:52.640 --> 03:54:54.800
I am not paranoid and suffer from
paranoia.

03:54:55.020 --> 03:54:58.460
But if you knew what we were dealing with,
this is not paranoia, believe me.

03:54:58.480 --> 03:55:00.440
This is a very stark reality.

03:55:01.320 --> 03:55:05.940
And they went through our offices,
and when he would come over my phone,

03:55:06.460 --> 03:55:10.940
he goes, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz,
and he'd say, there's an electronic

03:55:10.940 --> 03:55:12.080
listening device on that phone.

03:55:12.540 --> 03:55:17.800
He went into Diane's phone,
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz, he said the same

03:55:17.800 --> 03:55:18.460
thing with his phone.

03:55:18.640 --> 03:55:22.760
Went through all the different ones,
it was on my phone, Diane's phone,

03:55:23.080 --> 03:55:27.300
Terry Ross' phone, and our board
chairman's phone, Kathleen Greenfield's

03:55:27.300 --> 03:55:27.500
phone.

03:55:27.740 --> 03:55:30.840
And He says, this isn't just the phone.

03:55:30.920 --> 03:55:32.560
He says, the line is bugged.

03:55:32.600 --> 03:55:37.620
He says, this characteristic of this is
like the line is bugged.

03:55:37.740 --> 03:55:40.920
He says, we've got to bring some more
sophisticated equipment tomorrow.

03:55:41.480 --> 03:55:43.420
And he says, and find out exactly where
this thing is.

03:55:43.520 --> 03:55:48.520
They brought some very sophisticated
equipment in the next day and went by my

03:55:48.520 --> 03:55:48.900
phone.

03:55:49.460 --> 03:55:49.760
Nothing.

03:55:50.420 --> 03:55:51.740
Diane's phone, nothing.

03:55:52.340 --> 03:55:55.960
Terry's phone, Kathleen's phone,
all the phones, not a thing had been

03:55:55.960 --> 03:55:56.540
removed.

03:55:56.540 --> 03:55:57.120
That night.

03:55:57.340 --> 03:55:58.000
That night.

03:55:58.200 --> 03:55:58.780
Unbelievable.

03:55:59.960 --> 03:56:02.940
John, there's a person, we're holding camp
meeting here right now.

03:56:03.920 --> 03:56:07.800
There's a man here who came in from
overseas and he came to the immigration

03:56:07.800 --> 03:56:09.120
office at Boston.

03:56:09.240 --> 03:56:10.360
He was telling us about this.

03:56:11.420 --> 03:56:14.460
They asked him where his contact point was
in America.

03:56:15.340 --> 03:56:16.680
And he mentioned Prophecy Countdown.

03:56:16.800 --> 03:56:20.180
And immediately he said, the man's
attitude changed.

03:56:20.500 --> 03:56:24.360
And he began going through all of his
papers in his briefcase.

03:56:24.360 --> 03:56:26.760
And he felt that it was very suspicious.

03:56:30.480 --> 03:56:32.720
Well, John, that's simply amazing.

03:56:33.820 --> 03:56:35.600
We're in amazing times.

03:56:35.740 --> 03:56:40.200
You know, in intelligence services,
sometimes intelligence services...

03:56:40.200 --> 03:56:42.280
And yet you and I are just doing this for
the money, Bob.

03:56:44.340 --> 03:56:49.200
You know, John Osborne and Bob Trebs,
they're just doing it for the money.

03:56:49.680 --> 03:56:52.160
Yeah, we're just doing this for the money,
you know.

03:56:52.160 --> 03:56:57.440
And, you know, putting, sacrificing life
and limb and family in the pursuit of

03:56:57.440 --> 03:56:57.880
happiness.

03:56:58.080 --> 03:56:59.520
And we're just doing this for the money.

03:56:59.760 --> 03:57:03.560
I mean, somebody would have to have rocks
in their head to think that you and I

03:57:03.560 --> 03:57:07.840
would lay our lives on the line to do what
we are doing.

03:57:08.940 --> 03:57:10.140
John, that's right.

03:57:11.780 --> 03:57:14.880
The intelligence services like to work
together.

03:57:15.300 --> 03:57:20.520
And we know that the CIA has been working
with the Vatican for a long time.

03:57:20.520 --> 03:57:27.800
In fact, at the end of World War II,
the OSS that preceded the CIA worked with

03:57:27.800 --> 03:57:33.360
the Vatican and the Nazis themselves to
help Nazi war criminals escape.

03:57:33.460 --> 03:57:34.780
Now, tell me this, John.

03:57:34.840 --> 03:57:40.540
Why did the OSS work with the Nazis,
as well as the Vatican, to help the Nazi

03:57:40.540 --> 03:57:41.680
war criminals escape?

03:57:41.680 --> 03:57:47.460
And when the CIA was established,
it was flooded with Catholic applicants

03:57:47.460 --> 03:57:49.980
who took the significant jobs.

03:57:50.440 --> 03:57:57.200
And, John, I have here the biography of
William Casey, who was the head of our

03:57:57.200 --> 03:57:57.560
CIA.

03:57:57.760 --> 03:57:59.040
He was trained by the Jesuits.

03:57:59.300 --> 03:58:03.300
It's right here in the early chapter,
is in the hands of the Jesuits.

03:58:03.300 --> 03:58:09.040
It even tells about a weekend that they
had a symposium on natural law at the

03:58:09.040 --> 03:58:10.200
university, Fordham.

03:58:12.240 --> 03:58:19.580
And the CIA has worked with the Vatican in
recent years on the closest terms,

03:58:19.700 --> 03:58:27.360
along with the AFL-CIO, to bring down
communism in Poland, working for the

03:58:27.360 --> 03:58:29.300
Solidarity Labor Union cause.

03:58:29.300 --> 03:58:33.800
And so, these intelligence agencies like
to work together.

03:58:34.360 --> 03:58:38.880
And we'll probably never know until
eternity what all the dimensions of this

03:58:38.880 --> 03:58:39.420
thing are.

03:58:39.880 --> 03:58:49.340
But this thing we know, John, we know that
the New World Order is going to take

03:58:49.340 --> 03:58:49.820
place.

03:58:49.860 --> 03:58:52.600
That there's going to be a universal bond
of union.

03:58:53.160 --> 03:58:57.880
That the Pope will have its day once
again.

03:58:57.880 --> 03:59:05.240
And that all those who do not receive the
mark of the beast in their right hand or

03:59:05.240 --> 03:59:11.380
in their foreheads are going to have a
death decree against them.

03:59:11.500 --> 03:59:16.580
Let me just read here, Revelation 13,
verse 15.

03:59:16.680 --> 03:59:20.860
And he had power to give life unto the
image of the beast, that the image of the

03:59:20.860 --> 03:59:25.940
beast should both speak and cause that as
many as would not worship the image of the

03:59:25.940 --> 03:59:26.760
beast should be killed.

03:59:26.760 --> 03:59:31.160
Either submit to the image of the beast,
the image of the papal hierarchy

03:59:31.160 --> 03:59:34.120
established in America and imposed around
the world.

03:59:34.800 --> 03:59:40.380
And he causeth all, both small and great,
rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a

03:59:40.380 --> 03:59:43.100
mark in their right hand or in their
foreheads.

03:59:43.100 --> 03:59:47.580
And that no man might buy or sell,
save he that had the mark, or the name of

03:59:47.580 --> 03:59:49.320
the beast, or the number of his name.

03:59:49.320 --> 03:59:50.160
Here is wisdom.

03:59:50.720 --> 03:59:54.720
Let him that hath understanding count the
number of the beast, for it is the number

03:59:54.720 --> 03:59:59.100
of a man, and his number is six hundred,
threescore, and six.

03:59:59.980 --> 04:00:06.580
So we have been called, John, to such a...
all of us, faithful, Bible-believing,

04:00:06.740 --> 04:00:10.800
Seventh-day Adventists, and the whole
earth has been called by God to take their

04:00:10.800 --> 04:00:16.200
stand on the three angels' messages and to
give the last warning message,

04:00:16.500 --> 04:00:20.400
the call to come out of Babylon,
to take one's stand on the three angels'

04:00:20.580 --> 04:00:26.120
messages, on the commandments of God and
the faith of Jesus, and to be faithful

04:00:26.120 --> 04:00:29.700
unto death, and we will receive a crown of
life.

04:00:29.720 --> 04:00:30.060
Amen.

04:00:30.320 --> 04:00:33.400
Bob, thank you so much for another
wonderful interview.

04:00:34.380 --> 04:00:38.740
And it just comes down to the bottom line,
once again, that each and every one of us

04:00:38.740 --> 04:00:39.480
have to decide.

04:00:40.020 --> 04:00:43.820
Are we going to be Roman Catholic
Seventh-day Adventists, or are we going to

04:00:43.820 --> 04:00:45.500
be Protestant Seventh-day Adventists?

04:00:45.600 --> 04:00:45.780
Amen.

04:00:47.020 --> 04:00:49.520
Well, we've just been editing Jesuit
Agenda 3.

04:00:49.800 --> 04:00:54.340
We're at the end, and Bob Trebs has called
and said we can't finish this tape without

04:00:54.340 --> 04:00:54.940
an update.

04:00:55.520 --> 04:00:58.680
And he's ready to bring us up to date of
what's going on.

04:00:59.400 --> 04:01:03.400
Bob, tell us what the latest is that's
going on since we taped Jesuit Agenda 3

04:01:03.400 --> 04:01:03.720
together.

04:01:03.720 --> 04:01:07.420
We're about ready to wrap up the editing
here and duplicate this tape and get it

04:01:07.420 --> 04:01:11.280
out to our Adventist people, but we just
wanted to find out what the latest thing

04:01:11.280 --> 04:01:13.480
going on with the Church is.

04:01:13.520 --> 04:01:14.300
Hi, John.

04:01:14.820 --> 04:01:16.280
Good to hear your voice again.

04:01:16.400 --> 04:01:17.000
Thanks, Bob.

04:01:17.180 --> 04:01:21.260
Well, there's a lot of things that have
happened over the course of the summer.

04:01:21.620 --> 04:01:23.920
Now we're one day before the elections.

04:01:24.220 --> 04:01:24.560
Yes.

04:01:24.560 --> 04:01:27.520
And we discussed that, as I recall.

04:01:28.060 --> 04:01:32.160
But first of all, I'd like to just mention
something that has really impressed itself

04:01:32.160 --> 04:01:38.760
on my mind, and that is that we have to
implement in our own lives the principles

04:01:38.760 --> 04:01:45.020
of the Gospel, the principles of the
Reformation, the principles of Adventism,

04:01:45.140 --> 04:01:46.760
the principles of Gospel liberty.

04:01:48.360 --> 04:01:54.940
The Gospel itself is a great message of
liberty, of freedom from sin, and of

04:01:54.940 --> 04:01:56.500
liberty in the Holy Spirit.

04:01:57.020 --> 04:02:02.540
And we are warned in Galatians 5-1 not to
let that liberty slip away from us.

04:02:02.680 --> 04:02:03.140
Absolutely.

04:02:03.140 --> 04:02:10.300
And so we are going into these last day
events with a great need to have a

04:02:10.300 --> 04:02:16.180
personal experience of justification with
the Lord, and sanctification and harmony

04:02:16.180 --> 04:02:19.500
with the perfect law of liberty,
the Ten Commandments.

04:02:20.310 --> 04:02:24.900
And this is so critical because one of the
fundamental issues that we are looking at

04:02:24.900 --> 04:02:31.480
in Jesuit Agenda 3 is the issue of what is
going to hold the primacy in the human

04:02:31.480 --> 04:02:32.140
experience.

04:02:32.140 --> 04:02:37.620
Will it be personal salvation and liberty
in the Gospel, which Martin Luther

04:02:37.620 --> 04:02:43.140
discovered in the 16th century as he
sought for personal salvation.

04:02:43.460 --> 04:02:49.160
He discovered liberty, and that liberty he
brought to the peoples of Northern Europe

04:02:49.160 --> 04:02:52.100
as they accepted the Gospel.

04:02:52.720 --> 04:02:57.920
On the other hand, the principle that
Satan is continually trying to advocate,

04:02:58.360 --> 04:03:01.640
which we have looked at and we want to
look at a little bit more right now,

04:03:01.940 --> 04:03:07.060
is the principle that the community takes
the primacy over the individual.

04:03:07.840 --> 04:03:11.240
Bob, as I have been editing this Jesuit
Agenda 3, this is the thing that just

04:03:11.240 --> 04:03:14.520
keeps coming up over and over and over
again through our whole interview,

04:03:15.060 --> 04:03:19.340
was how that the community takes
precedence over individual rights.

04:03:19.380 --> 04:03:21.400
And we've never heard that before as
Americans.

04:03:21.400 --> 04:03:25.300
Well, this, John, is hitting us now from
every angle.

04:03:26.100 --> 04:03:29.740
And I want to, in this telephone
conversation, hit some of the things that

04:03:29.740 --> 04:03:33.420
have emerged over the summer on this
score.

04:03:33.540 --> 04:03:38.220
Some very, very shocking things from the
North American Division officers,

04:03:38.600 --> 04:03:42.920
as well as in the course of the election
campaign.

04:03:43.560 --> 04:03:46.560
And so maybe we can look at a few things
now.

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It's been so long since the beginning of
the summer, I'm not sure how much we

04:03:51.160 --> 04:03:53.020
treated on certain subjects.

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But I remember at a camp meeting a couple
of years ago, I read the following quote

04:03:58.840 --> 04:03:59.860
here.

04:03:59.860 --> 04:04:05.080
It is thus necessary that the individual
should finally come to realize that his

04:04:05.080 --> 04:04:09.840
own ego is of no importance in comparison
with the existence of his nation.

04:04:10.420 --> 04:04:14.860
That the position of the individual ego is
conditioned solely by the interests of the

04:04:14.860 --> 04:04:15.880
nation as a whole.

04:04:16.400 --> 04:04:21.280
That above all, the unity of a nation's
spirit and will are worth far more than

04:04:21.280 --> 04:04:23.460
the freedom of the spirit and will of an
individual.

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This state of mind, which subordinates the
interests of the ego to the conservation

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of the community, is really the first
premise for every truly human culture.

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The basic attitude from which such
activity arises, we call, to distinguish

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it from egoism and selfishness,
idealism.

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By this we understand only the
individual's capacity to make sacrifices

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for the community, for his fellow men.

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And then I asked the congregation who they
thought had said that.

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And some thought President Bush,
and various ones thought other great

04:04:56.280 --> 04:04:56.780
individuals.

04:04:56.960 --> 04:04:59.320
And then I told them that it was Adolf
Hitler.

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And they were shocked.

04:05:01.140 --> 04:05:05.840
But you see, this is the fundamental
premise of collectivism, which lay at the

04:05:05.840 --> 04:05:09.820
bottom of the Nazi totalitarianism.

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And I'm reading from The Ominous Parallels
by Leonard Peikoff, page 17 here.

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Collectivism is the theory that the group,
that is the collective, has primacy over

04:05:22.300 --> 04:05:22.980
the individual.

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Now, we've had a number of experiments in
the 20th century which have experimented

04:05:29.560 --> 04:05:30.240
with this idea.

04:05:30.240 --> 04:05:40.200
Nazism, for one, which presented this very
premise, and the nation bought it to a

04:05:40.200 --> 04:05:42.140
large extent, although not all.

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And then we have the experiment under
communism.

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And just think of that word communism.

04:05:49.400 --> 04:05:55.200
It asserts the primacy of the commune,
or the community, over the individual once

04:05:55.200 --> 04:05:55.600
again.

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And that was a vast social experiment,
as we explored in Jesuit Agenda 3,

04:06:01.320 --> 04:06:03.840
there with you, of social engineering.

04:06:03.840 --> 04:06:10.200
To see what could be done with the human
being through education and control of the

04:06:10.200 --> 04:06:15.280
environment to create a new human being
through these principles.

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And then we looked at the environment and
the environmental concerns of the papacy

04:06:23.160 --> 04:06:27.220
and the Pope with his encyclical on social
concern in 1987.

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And we saw that this idea of the community
asserting its control and rights over the

04:06:35.280 --> 04:06:40.960
individual, once again, was a primary
focus of the papacy.

04:06:40.960 --> 04:06:46.920
And so, some of the things that have
emerged over the summer are the following,

04:06:47.220 --> 04:06:47.500
John.

04:06:48.140 --> 04:06:55.680
The book, Earth in the Balance,
by Al Gore, is a book that was sold so

04:06:55.680 --> 04:06:59.500
fast in the bookstores it was hard to get
one at times this summer.

04:06:59.500 --> 04:07:07.680
And in this book, we have an amazing
manifesto laid out by Al Gore that

04:07:07.680 --> 04:07:14.040
virtually is identical to the papal
encyclical that we looked at in the early

04:07:14.040 --> 04:07:15.260
part of this video.

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The thing that's so frightening is to
realize, tomorrow, he will most likely,

04:07:20.740 --> 04:07:24.280
according to all polls, become the next
Vice President of the United States.

04:07:24.280 --> 04:07:24.860
Right.

04:07:25.160 --> 04:07:31.680
Now, I'd like to just read to you just a
couple things, a few things here from his

04:07:31.680 --> 04:07:33.060
book for documentation.

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On page 278, he uses this environmental
issue to push the idea of community.

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He says, This notion is itself an
ecological question in the sense that it

04:07:51.340 --> 04:07:54.020
involves a balance between rights and
responsibilities.

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In fact, what many feel is a deep
philosophical crisis in the West has

04:07:59.220 --> 04:08:02.160
occurred in part because this balance has
been disrupted.

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We have tilted so far toward individual
rights and so far away from any sense of

04:08:07.720 --> 04:08:12.520
obligation that it is now difficult to
muster an adequate defense of any rights

04:08:12.520 --> 04:08:17.240
vested in the community at large or in the
nation, much less rights properly invested

04:08:17.240 --> 04:08:19.620
in all humankind or in posterity.

04:08:20.570 --> 04:08:29.440
And he goes on to tell us that we need to
begin reasserting the rights of the

04:08:29.440 --> 04:08:33.280
community or the nation or the world as a
whole.

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And this is a distinct tilt that we're
seeing.

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Also, on page 279, he discusses the
North-South issues that the Pope discussed

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in his encyclical.

04:08:48.690 --> 04:08:54.540
He discusses the Pope himself here and
Teilhard de Chardin, the Jesuit who is the

04:08:54.540 --> 04:08:59.840
most influential figure in the New Age
movement, on pages 262 and 263.

04:09:00.280 --> 04:09:05.640
On page 204, he says we must aspire to a
Catholic understanding of the nature of

04:09:05.640 --> 04:09:06.260
civilization.

04:09:06.940 --> 04:09:13.420
He calls for a global Marshall Plan on
page 344, a global summit 346,

04:09:14.040 --> 04:09:17.580
a new generation of international treaties
on 352.

04:09:18.360 --> 04:09:23.760
And then he has some very amazing things,
and I think this is very fundamental to

04:09:23.760 --> 04:09:25.960
this whole environmental issue.

04:09:26.960 --> 04:09:32.240
He says that the rescue of the environment
must be made the central organizing

04:09:32.240 --> 04:09:38.560
principle for civilization on pages 269
and 273.

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And so what we're seeing is an attempt to
find a cause, such as the environment,

04:09:46.700 --> 04:09:52.440
which the entire world community can rally
around, which will erase the international

04:09:52.440 --> 04:10:00.760
boundaries and will make the earth into a
single unifying factor that will all

04:10:00.760 --> 04:10:05.240
function together and find a common cause,
a common ground.

04:10:05.380 --> 04:10:10.780
That is happening right before our eyes,
Bob, and it's just amazing what a

04:10:10.780 --> 04:10:16.100
masterpiece of deception this is that
Satan has been able to pull off.

04:10:16.100 --> 04:10:18.500
I mean, what could be more universal?

04:10:18.780 --> 04:10:24.540
What could bring more camaraderie of all
nations, all religions, than this to save

04:10:24.540 --> 04:10:25.240
the world?

04:10:25.540 --> 04:10:30.600
This plays right into the scenario that I
have always preached of the Mark of the

04:10:30.600 --> 04:10:32.940
Beast, how it would be brought about.

04:10:33.160 --> 04:10:36.680
We are being set up for the Mark of the
Beast.

04:10:36.780 --> 04:10:39.560
The world is being prepared to receive the
Mark of the Beast.

04:10:39.800 --> 04:10:43.640
I mean, this is a fulfillment of prophecy
right before our eyes, and it's this

04:10:43.640 --> 04:10:45.160
environmental issue.

04:10:45.160 --> 04:10:47.760
I mean, what a masterpiece of deception.

04:10:48.400 --> 04:10:54.120
And, John, in Insight on the News,
there is a leading article that occurred

04:10:54.120 --> 04:10:58.920
in the November 2, 1992 issue,
The Gospel According to Al Gore,

04:10:59.080 --> 04:11:00.820
in which they analyze his book.

04:11:00.820 --> 04:11:09.720
And they describe how Al Gore has a
tremendous blend here of a dabbling in the

04:11:09.720 --> 04:11:15.820
Bible and some biblical notions,
and also the Eastern religions.

04:11:15.840 --> 04:11:22.020
The pagan mother-goddess thing is a big
thing that he laments that we've drifted

04:11:22.020 --> 04:11:23.540
away from in society.

04:11:24.300 --> 04:11:30.660
And he tries to make a theology out of the
environment, which is a very, very

04:11:30.660 --> 04:11:36.780
interesting thing that is developing,
and which we have been warned about by

04:11:36.780 --> 04:11:39.260
Alvin Toffler in his book Power Shift.

04:11:40.150 --> 04:11:44.800
He goes into the Native American
pantheistic religions.

04:11:45.100 --> 04:11:48.600
He goes into Baha'i.

04:11:48.880 --> 04:11:55.320
He goes into the Gaia theory and
hypothesis that the earth is a living

04:11:55.320 --> 04:11:56.080
organism.

04:11:57.220 --> 04:12:01.980
This article points out how the World
Council of Churches is involved in this

04:12:01.980 --> 04:12:07.820
type of call for the integrity of
creation.

04:12:10.500 --> 04:12:16.340
And the article quotes also from Jim
Conlon, the director of the Institute in

04:12:16.340 --> 04:12:20.000
Culture and Creation Spirituality at Holy
Names College in Oakland, California,

04:12:20.440 --> 04:12:25.700
the same place that the Dominican scholar
Matthew Fox, who wrote The Coming of the

04:12:25.700 --> 04:12:27.900
Cosmic Christ, is from, the same
institution.

04:12:28.680 --> 04:12:33.220
He finds the Gaia hypothesis useful for
the recovery of a lost sense of the

04:12:33.220 --> 04:12:34.680
soulfulness of all nature.

04:12:34.680 --> 04:12:36.180
This is pantheism.

04:12:36.300 --> 04:12:41.520
And at one point, Al Gore asks the
question in his book, why does it feel

04:12:41.520 --> 04:12:46.540
faintly heretical to a Christian to
suppose that God is in us as human beings?

04:12:47.240 --> 04:12:50.400
And, of course, he's talking about the
pantheistic concept of God.

04:12:50.400 --> 04:12:52.080
Al Gore believes this.

04:12:52.220 --> 04:12:55.800
Most likely tomorrow to be voted in as the
Vice President of the United States.

04:12:55.940 --> 04:12:58.740
One heartbeat away from the presidency.

04:12:59.140 --> 04:13:00.640
I want to tell you something, Bob.

04:13:00.720 --> 04:13:05.100
How could you, how could anybody be
against this?

04:13:05.200 --> 04:13:10.560
This looks so holy and so good and so
pious and to save the world and to save

04:13:10.560 --> 04:13:11.280
our planet.

04:13:11.280 --> 04:13:17.680
I mean, if you were against this,
you would have to be the most heinous

04:13:17.680 --> 04:13:25.080
monster that ever lived to be against
saving the environment.

04:13:25.460 --> 04:13:25.740
Yes.

04:13:25.840 --> 04:13:33.020
Well, that's why Satan has sought to find
a cause that it becomes very difficult to

04:13:33.020 --> 04:13:37.980
oppose and to link it with his machinery
for the suppression of liberty at the end.

04:13:37.980 --> 04:13:44.940
So, anybody that would be against this,
humanly speaking, would need to be

04:13:44.940 --> 04:13:46.140
exterminated.

04:13:47.040 --> 04:13:51.940
I mean, anybody that would be against
saving the environment and saving our

04:13:51.940 --> 04:13:55.400
planet, well, we just need to get rid of
them.

04:13:55.560 --> 04:13:57.640
I mean, we just need to exterminate them.

04:13:57.700 --> 04:14:01.700
I mean, you can see how that logic and
rationale sounds so plausible.

04:14:02.020 --> 04:14:04.560
And they get very, very frantic about the
whole thing, too.

04:14:04.700 --> 04:14:05.140
Yes.

04:14:05.140 --> 04:14:10.980
And, John, I would like to draw our
attention here to Alvin Toffler's Power

04:14:10.980 --> 04:14:16.020
Shift book where he discusses this whole
notion of eco-theocracy, he calls it,

04:14:16.080 --> 04:14:20.260
that is, environmental theology or
eco-theocracy.

04:14:20.460 --> 04:14:24.200
This was a very big thing with Adolf
Hitler and the Nazi movement.

04:14:24.300 --> 04:14:29.640
I'd like to just bring a few things from
his book, page 377 and following.

04:14:29.640 --> 04:14:30.120
He says,

04:15:00.380 --> 04:15:06.740
Already there's talk of an environmental
police force that will have international

04:15:06.740 --> 04:15:13.160
jurisdiction and enforce environmental
concerns in the various nations.

04:15:13.280 --> 04:15:22.200
We've been seeing this kind of thing
happening in Europe with the EC imposing

04:15:22.200 --> 04:15:26.420
its will within national boundaries on
various concerns.

04:15:26.420 --> 04:15:34.000
And he discusses about those who want to,
in this movement, plunge society into

04:15:34.000 --> 04:15:40.900
pre-technological medievalism and
asceticism, the eco-theologues and the

04:15:40.900 --> 04:15:42.260
religious extremists.

04:15:42.980 --> 04:15:50.160
He tells about how these people like to
sometimes go back to quote German mystics

04:15:50.160 --> 04:15:54.800
like Meister Eckhart, the founder of
German mysticism in the 13th century.

04:15:54.800 --> 04:15:58.920
See, this is all wrapped up with
mysticism, which we've talked about also,

04:15:59.080 --> 04:15:59.360
John.

04:15:59.840 --> 04:16:05.680
In fact, a book came into me this summer
about Teilhard de Chardin and his effort

04:16:05.680 --> 04:16:10.700
to promote a new mysticism combining
Western mysticism and Eastern mysticism.

04:16:10.700 --> 04:16:17.200
And so these people are interested in
going back to a situation where there must

04:16:17.200 --> 04:16:23.240
be sharp restrictions on individual
choice, page 379, that may be required to

04:16:23.240 --> 04:16:25.760
make people moral or to protect the
environment.

04:16:26.440 --> 04:16:31.440
And he says this points ultimately to a
common attack on human rights.

04:16:31.940 --> 04:16:34.480
So he sees this, and here he's not an
Adventist.

04:16:35.260 --> 04:16:39.980
Indeed, many environmentalists themselves
worry openly about the arrival of green

04:16:39.980 --> 04:16:44.180
ayatollahs or eco-fascists who impose
their particular brand of salvation.

04:16:45.620 --> 04:16:50.440
And he says the deeper the crisis,
the darker the charismatic figure who will

04:16:50.440 --> 04:16:51.200
emerge.

04:16:51.620 --> 04:16:56.340
Whether or not we will have a green Adolf
depends on how far cultural change

04:16:56.340 --> 04:16:58.160
advances before the next Chernobyl.

04:16:59.820 --> 04:17:05.360
Then, dropping down on that page,
he says, if we reject... he quotes a

04:17:05.360 --> 04:17:10.520
French sociologist, Alain Terrain,
who says, If we reject reason in the name

04:17:10.520 --> 04:17:15.400
of salvation from ozone depletion,
we will court a green fundamentalism and

04:17:15.400 --> 04:17:18.200
eco-theocracy of the Ayatollah Khomeini
variety.

04:17:18.820 --> 04:17:23.960
If such anxiety sounds too extreme,
it may be worth recalling the Wandervogel

04:17:23.960 --> 04:17:26.140
youth movement of the 1920s in Germany.

04:17:26.140 --> 04:17:31.680
Now, we discussed that in this episode,
where the green movement today is most

04:17:31.680 --> 04:17:32.260
militant.

04:17:32.940 --> 04:17:37.200
The Wandervogel were the hippie greens of
the Weimar Republic, roaming the

04:17:37.200 --> 04:17:40.640
countryside with their rucksacks,
carrying guitars, wearing flowers,

04:17:40.780 --> 04:17:44.760
holding woodstock-like festivals,
high on spirituality and preaching a

04:17:44.760 --> 04:17:45.600
return to nature.

04:17:45.800 --> 04:17:47.800
A decade later, Hitler was in control.

04:17:47.800 --> 04:17:53.380
Hitler also exalted pre-industrial values,
picturing the Nazi utopia as one in which

04:17:53.380 --> 04:17:57.760
the blacksmith stands again at his anvil,
the farmer walks behind his plow.

04:17:58.420 --> 04:18:00.060
In the words of Professor J.P.

04:18:00.220 --> 04:18:04.760
Stern of University College London,
Hitler evoked a pre-industrial rustic

04:18:04.760 --> 04:18:05.160
idol.

04:18:06.100 --> 04:18:10.860
Hitler's ideologists constantly praised
the organic, urged physical fitness,

04:18:11.400 --> 04:18:15.640
and used biological analogies to justify
the violence they faced.

04:18:16.300 --> 04:18:20.180
Hundreds of thousands of youngsters passed
through the youth movement, writes George

04:18:20.180 --> 04:18:20.400
L.

04:18:20.500 --> 04:18:25.640
Mosse in The Crisis of German Ideology,
and many of them found it not very

04:18:25.640 --> 04:18:30.040
difficult to accommodate themselves to the
ideological propositions of the Nazis.

04:18:30.820 --> 04:18:35.540
Can one really imagine a neo-green party
with armbands, Sam Brown belts,

04:18:35.660 --> 04:18:39.200
and jackboots setting out to enforce its
own view of nature on the rest of society,

04:18:39.360 --> 04:18:40.000
Toffler asks?

04:18:40.540 --> 04:18:42.800
Of course not, under normal conditions.

04:18:42.920 --> 04:18:45.080
But what if conditions are not normal?

04:18:45.640 --> 04:18:50.440
Consider the consequences of another
Bhopal-like eco-catastrophe set in,

04:18:50.700 --> 04:18:54.460
say, Seattle, Stuttgart, or Sheffield,
followed by back-to-back crises

04:18:54.460 --> 04:18:54.920
everywhere.

04:18:54.920 --> 04:18:56.440
We know that's going to happen,
John.

04:18:56.940 --> 04:19:01.100
Followed by confusion and monstrous
corruption in the disaster relief effort

04:19:01.100 --> 04:19:04.720
amid fundamentalist cries that the
disaster was inflicted by God as

04:19:04.720 --> 04:19:07.280
punishment for permissiveness and
immorality.

04:19:07.340 --> 04:19:09.840
We know from great controversy that's
going to be the very cry.

04:19:10.620 --> 04:19:13.860
Picture all this occurring in a time of
deep economic distress.

04:19:13.860 --> 04:19:19.600
Imagine an attractive, articulate
eco-Adolf who promises not just to solve

04:19:19.600 --> 04:19:24.320
the immediate crisis, but to purify the
society materially, morally, and

04:19:24.320 --> 04:19:27.700
politically, if only he is given
extra-constitutional powers.

04:19:27.940 --> 04:19:32.460
Al Gore tells us in his book that
civilization must heal itself

04:19:32.460 --> 04:19:36.200
psychologically and spiritually before we
can heal our ailing environment.

04:19:36.200 --> 04:19:42.120
If these concepts take hold, it will be a
direct fulfillment of what Ellen White

04:19:42.120 --> 04:19:46.600
foretold would bring in the Sunday Law
crisis at the end of time.

04:19:47.060 --> 04:19:52.480
She tells us in great controversy that
because the people have rejected the law

04:19:52.480 --> 04:19:57.320
of God, and notably the Sabbath,
God's protecting care will be withdrawn

04:19:57.320 --> 04:20:02.960
from them, and they will be left to the
machinations of Satan, who will bring all

04:20:02.960 --> 04:20:05.760
kinds of ecological catastrophe.

04:20:06.680 --> 04:20:11.340
And as a result of that, the people will
say, we need to get back to God.

04:20:12.120 --> 04:20:14.060
Someone is causing this problem.

04:20:14.380 --> 04:20:17.460
Oh, we've got to find out who's causing
this problem and get rid of them.

04:20:17.880 --> 04:20:18.480
That's right.

04:20:18.660 --> 04:20:22.800
And in order to save the community,
save the community of the earth,

04:20:22.880 --> 04:20:25.780
you see, these people will have to be
sacrificed.

04:20:25.780 --> 04:20:29.460
Oh, Bob, that's so clear how this is
shaping up.

04:20:29.960 --> 04:20:30.520
That's right.

04:20:30.620 --> 04:20:31.940
It's exciting, though.

04:20:32.180 --> 04:20:36.180
I've got to admit, it's exciting to see
prophecy being fulfilled like we have said

04:20:36.180 --> 04:20:37.440
for years it was going to.

04:20:37.860 --> 04:20:39.480
Well, it's very exciting, John.

04:20:39.480 --> 04:20:45.560
But one of the most shocking things of all
now is that in the October 1st,

04:20:45.560 --> 04:20:53.160
1992 Adventist Review, there was a
position paper put out by the North

04:20:53.160 --> 04:20:57.720
American Division officers entitled,
The Church of God, Its Nature,

04:20:57.960 --> 04:20:59.100
Function, and Authority.

04:20:59.480 --> 04:20:59.640
Yes.

04:20:59.860 --> 04:21:07.300
This paper is absolutely shocking because
it marks a decisive paradigm shift from

04:21:07.300 --> 04:21:09.280
what Adventism has taught in the past.

04:21:09.280 --> 04:21:11.300
Regarding salvation in the church.

04:21:11.400 --> 04:21:12.180
And you know what, Bob?

04:21:12.320 --> 04:21:14.140
Our people didn't see it.

04:21:14.300 --> 04:21:18.540
I bet you one in a hundred people,
Seventh-day Adventists who read that

04:21:18.540 --> 04:21:22.860
article, that position paper, on the
church in the recent Adventist Review,

04:21:23.240 --> 04:21:25.660
did not even pick up what it was.

04:21:25.720 --> 04:21:27.900
That is a Catholic document.

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All through it, John, there is the
emphasis on the community of faith.

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The community.

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The community.

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The community.

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Solidarity.

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Good Roman Catholic terms.

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And community, for the Roman Catholic,
the meaning of this is pointed out in Carl

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Rayner and Heinrich Frey's book on the
unity of the churches, where they state

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that this community of faith is necessary
for all of the churches to come together,

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and that it means that the community has
the primacy over the individual.

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And so, community now is the big term
instead of personal salvation,

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which Martin Luther and the other
Reformers emphasized.

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That's what the Protestant Reformation was
all about.

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And so, we've basically abandoned the
fundamental Protestant principle of

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personal salvation and the primacy of a
conscience bound directly by the Word of

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God to the Lord Himself.

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Instead of that, now we are accepting the
Roman Catholic terminology and concepts of

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the community being foremost and having
the primacy over the individual.

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Now, some very shocking things emerge in
this document.

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For instance, we read that the local
church is fully equipped by the Spirit and

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recognized as being capable of acting on
behalf of the risen Lord.

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Well, that's the whole idea of the Pope
being the vicar of Christ.

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He acts on behalf of God.

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And the next sentence says, the local
church becomes the port of entry to the

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kingdom of God.

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Well, the Bible certainly doesn't teach
that.

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Amen.

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That's right out of Catholicism.

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Jesus, that's right.

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Oh, that just makes my skin crawl,
Bob.

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Jesus said that the straight gate of entry
to the kingdom of God is the gate of

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self-surrender in the Sermon on the Mount.

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And Ellen White has a tremendous
commentary on that in Thoughts from the

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Mount of Blessings about how we have to
leave behind all self and all sin to enter

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this true gate to the kingdom of God.

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And so, in this area, we see the Roman
Catholic concept of the church being the

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port of entry to the kingdom of God.

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Now, if a person is put back out of that
port of entry by the local church...

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Then you've lost the kingdom.

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They're outside the kingdom.

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You're going to hell.

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Now, the next couple paragraphs are even
more shocking as we go along.

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Because we read in the New Testament,
local churches exercise the highest

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ecclesiastical functions.

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The first point mentioned is control of
the members.

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Well, is this the most important function
of the local church?

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Control of the members?

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Ellen White is very clear that we are
called in the church to service and not

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control.

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And that the church is to be controlled
not by man, but by God.

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And so, once again, we find a position of
direct defiance of the word of the Lord.

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There are some other very interesting
terms in here, John.

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For instance, we see that the basic
identifier that is used for Seventh-day

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Adventism being a biblical church are
right out of the Nicene-Constantinople

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Creed.

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And I'm reading now from the document,
the four classical marks of the biblical

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church apply to Seventh-day Adventism.

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It's holiness in Jesus Christ,
it's catholicity, universality,

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it's apostolicity in harmony with the
witness of the apostle founders,

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it's unity, one Lord, one faith,
one baptism.

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Now, that formula of the church being
holy, catholic, apostolic, and one is the

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fundamental determiner of the ecumenical
movement.

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The ecumenical movement harks back to the
Nicene-Constantinople Creed of 381,

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the longer form of that, to be the
fundamental foundation stone for the

04:25:45.000 --> 04:25:46.160
ecumenical movement.

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And we are coming out in the next
Freedom's Ring with an analysis of this

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paper, and we go into an analysis of this
Nicene-Constantinople formula that appears

04:26:00.580 --> 04:26:01.020
here.

04:26:01.020 --> 04:26:08.380
It's interesting that Dr. Hans Kuhn,
who is one of the most noted dissident

04:26:08.380 --> 04:26:14.180
Roman Catholic theologians, very renowned
and distinguished scholar, in his book,

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The Church, has a chapter on each of these
aspects of the church, that it is

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catholic, holy, apostolic, and one.

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And in this chapter on its catholicity,
on it being catholic, he notes that the

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term catholic is never applied to the
church in the New Testament.

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And then he goes into the historical
ramifications of this, and how the early

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church fathers began applying the term
catholic, meaning universal, such as the

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intent, supposedly, of this paper,
but how this developed rapidly into a

04:26:51.220 --> 04:26:56.700
polemical usage of the term catholic to
try to distinguish one element of the

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church over against the heretics,
and how finally it became codified in law,

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and everyone was required under the
emperor Theodosius, who followed

04:27:09.940 --> 04:27:17.940
Constantine, to be catholic or be under
penalty of law as a heretic or a pagan,

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and then how the Holy Roman Empire carried
on in their canon law.

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Bob, we've got about three minutes left on
this tape.

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Okay, and so this led ultimately,
just the use of this term catholic,

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and its eventual codification in law and
the meanings that it came to develop

04:27:41.600 --> 04:27:45.020
around it, resulted in the death of
millions of people.

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And so we also find the concept of
collegiality in this document,

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which is right out of Vatican II by Roman
Catholic Confession itself, and

04:27:56.680 --> 04:28:04.980
fraternity, a lot of Roman Catholic terms
and concepts that are now codified in a

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position paper.

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So this marks a decided shift toward this
concept of community taking the primacy

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over the individual within our church.

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But Bob, if our people were just reading
and studying, they could see this.

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Praise God, the Lord has raised you up to
warn our people of these things,

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and hopefully people are watching these
videos so that when they read this kind of

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thing, Bob, they can see what this is and
not be fooled.

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Well, this is...

04:28:30.260 --> 04:28:31.140
It sounds so pious!

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Because as a people, we are called to
maintain the purity and the liberty of the

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gospel, not only in our proclamation,
but in our personal lives.

04:28:41.260 --> 04:28:46.100
And it's only as we really cherish these
principles of true Protestantism,

04:28:46.440 --> 04:28:51.100
of pure gospel liberty in our own lives,
because where the Spirit of the Lord is,

04:28:51.180 --> 04:28:56.400
there is liberty, and where the law of the
Lord is, there is the perfect law of

04:28:56.400 --> 04:28:56.760
liberty.

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Only as we cherish these in our personal
lives will we have the security and the

04:29:02.500 --> 04:29:08.060
peace and the joy and the strength to
combat this overwhelming apostasy that is

04:29:08.060 --> 04:29:13.120
coming in, in asserting community rights
over the individual, which will ultimately

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lead to the universal death decree,
which will be patterned right after the

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words of Caiaphas, it is better that this
people perish than that whole nations be

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cast into confusion.

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Well, Bob, I thank you so much for
permitting the Lord to use you in the way

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that He is using you in such a mighty way
to wake up our Adventist people.

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May God continue to be with you in safety
and giving you wisdom, and for us to have

04:29:40.080 --> 04:29:41.500
access to the Adventist people.

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God bless you, John.

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May God bless you, Bob.

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A distinct pleasure working with you once
again, and we wish God's richest blessing

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on you and your ministry.

04:29:49.080 --> 04:29:49.680
The feeling is mutual.

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Thanks now.

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Bye-bye.

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Bye-bye.

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Till we meet again, may God bless you.