In just a few moments, I'll be interviewing Elder Bob Trebs as we tape
Jesuit Agenda 4.
But before we do, I just want Ralph Henderson to kind of set the mood.
He's going to sing a beautiful number entitled, They Will Know.
They
will speak,
they will send prophets among them That they might hear, that they might see And
understand how much I love
them They will know
with me, and be my people
They will scourge, and carry out vengeance upon them They will heal the wounds I
make, and tenderly take them
This is heaven, it is...
Well, Bob, it's been almost a year since we taped Jesuit Agenda 3.
I know a lot of water's gone under the bridge, brother.
As you have called me from time to time and told me the things that were
happening, and you've sent stuff to our ministry over the fax machine,
we've just been boggled at the things that we've seen taking place.
That has lent credence to everything that you have said in the previous three Jesuit
Agenda videos.
I know you have a lot to show us today, but before we go any farther, let's ask
the Lord's Holy Spirit to give us special wisdom.
Let's kneel, and Bob, will you lead us in prayer?
Gracious Father in heaven, as we talk together today, and as we contemplate thy
word, and the great principles of Protestantism, and the everlasting gospel,
and the struggle that is ensuing in this world, leading into the final events,
we pray that the Holy Spirit will be present in our hearts and in our minds.
Help us to affix these principles of Protestantism to our hearts, that we may
emerge triumphant out of the days that are descending upon this world, that we will
stand fast in the Papal New World Order that is emerging around us, that we will
have insight from the Holy Spirit to discern the legal agenda that is
developing, the various machinations against thy truth that will ultimately
place your people where they will have neither mercy nor justice.
That's right.
But Lord, we pray that through it all, that our faith will be strengthened as we
see these signs of the times, that our courage will rise with the emergency,
and that the Holy Spirit will become very powerful, that the weak may become like
David, and that we may be valiant for thy truth upon this earth in these last days.
Yes, Lord.
Bless John and his ministry here, and bless us as we speak together and
commune about the things of God today, is our prayer, in Jesus' name,
amen.
Amen.
Jesuit Agenda 4.
Did you ever think, back when you and I taped Jesuit Agenda, the Jesuit Agenda,
we didn't even call it Part 1, we just called it the Jesuit Agenda for
the Seventh-day Adventist Church.
Did you ever believe we'd be taping a Jesuit Agenda 4, Bob?
Didn't know it, John.
In fact, we didn't even have a title for it when we taped it.
That emerged in your mind as you were editing it.
That's true.
And that is one thing that I'd really like to address today.
What is the Jesuit order all about?
We talk about the Jesuits, but what is their history?
What is the principle on which they operate?
What is their moral code?
What do we need to look for?
And I've often said that it's not even necessary for one Jesuit to be planted in
the Adventist Church in order for us to follow the Jesuit Agenda.
All that has to happen is for leading men to go out to schools where they imbibe of
the principles of the Jesuit order...
That's very important.
...and bring them back in and teach them.
And through the principle of obedience to one's superior throughout our
organization, which is a Jesuit principle also in the hierarchical system,
the whole denomination can become leavened to the point where they are blinded and
they can no longer see the truth and no longer see the signs of the times.
The whole nation can become blinded.
You see, this is what leadership is saying in the structure.
They're saying, oh, you know, Bob Trebs and John Otter, they think there's a
Jesuit hiding behind every bush, you know.
And, oh, our colleges have Jesuits all in everything.
You know, they ah-ha, they guffaw, you know.
All it takes... really not even one.
Right.
You know, what you just said is so true.
It's just a modus operandi, a technique, a principle that is brought in.
And with this attitude of following your superiors, it infiltrates the entire
structure without the whole organization being riddled with Jesuits per se.
It's just the concept.
And having said that, we know that there have been Jesuits.
I understand now that the structure is trying to contest the idea that B.G.
Wilkinson fired a Jesuit.
But it just so happens that my mother was his secretary.
And she, in fact, typed much of the manuscript for the truth triumphant.
I have the book right here.
You know, Bob, you said something to me yesterday that has really got me thinking.
You said exactly what I did in my last taping with Terry Ross.
I don't know how many of you have seen New Age 4, but it got to the place that I went
into overload.
I had to leave the set.
And Terry finished taping New Age 4 by himself.
Because it just finally got to the place...
I felt like I had to have waders on.
And I was just wading through the conference sewer.
You know, I just went into overload, and I just couldn't take it anymore.
And I had to leave the set.
And poor Terry, I left him here by himself.
He had to finish taping New Age Adventism 4 by himself.
And I was talking to you yesterday, and you said, John, that's almost the way
I feel.
I am so sick of wading through this Jesuit stuff and seeing.
And the more I uncover, the more I find.
And the more I find, the more I uncover.
And it just keeps getting deeper and deeper.
And it's just getting to the place where you don't even want to delve into this
stuff anymore.
Because it's just becoming so nauseating to you.
Yet, Bob, it's the same thing that Terry Ross and I have come to realize.
That our people have to know.
You know, we just have to pray for strength and continue to wade through this
stuff.
Because our people have to know.
If we don't tell them, they think everything is all right.
So what have you got to show us today?
Well, just carrying on the thought that we had there.
My mother was B.G.
Wilkinson's secretary.
And at that very time, when this Jesuit was uncovered and expelled, Dr. Floyd
Rittenhouse was the academic dean.
My mother knew him very well.
She knew both men very well.
She knew the story, and before she passed away, she was out in Loma Linda attending
a banquet at which Dr. Floyd Rittenhouse was present.
And she asked him about the story, whether it was true or not, to reconfirm
it in her mind.
And he said, absolutely.
He said, I was the academic dean at that time.
The structure now is trying to deny that there ever has been any Jesuit presence.
I also have on a tape entitled The Witnesses, available from our ministry,
an account, an audio account, a telephone conversation with a lady who was a dear
friend of my mother who told of the uncovering of a student Jesuit infiltrator
at Washington Missionary College.
And we have a number of accounts of it.
But the point that impresses itself on my mind is the necessity of understanding the
principles involved in the conflict.
And if we can identify those, and we can make a distinction between Protestant
principles and papal principles, Jesuit principles, in fact today the order
Opus Dei has three times the number of members as the Jesuit order.
And whereas the Jesuit order works more in the field of high political intrigue,
educational endeavor, to bring about intellectual conversion of whole
populations, to change the thinking processes using the weapon of philosophy,
and works more in the intellectual sphere, at least in the 20th century, Opus Dei is
interested in controlling the media.
They are more the foot soldiers.
And in many respects they have taken on a character very similar to the order of the
Jesuits when it was first founded.
And Pope John Paul II is very favorable to Opus Dei.
He loves them.
And as I say, they control hundreds of organs of the media, newspapers,
magazines, radio stations, TV stations.
And so they operate in a fashion to control the masses through the media.
So Opus Dei is a Roman Catholic organization controlling the media?
Yes.
Let me get a book here, John.
Now, have you explained Opus Dei to us before, Bob?
It seems I've heard the term.
Well, I don't know that I've mentioned it.
Here is a book, Opus Dei, an investigation into the secret society struggling for
power within the Roman Catholic Church.
There are many Roman Catholics that are very fearful of Opus Dei.
It's become so powerful it is even more secretive than the Jesuits.
Now, how old is this organization?
This organization is about 60 years old, 60 or 70 years old.
Well, it's relatively new.
Relatively new, and already it looks like its founder is very close to being
canonized.
And so this is another organization, another arm of Catholicism that is
organized for gaining control of the world through controlling the thinking processes
of the people through what they're exposed to in the media.
And this is a very interesting thing.
When you consider what the people are being exposed to in the media today,
for instance, in the Serbian-Croatian conflict, those who know the history of
that know that it has been historically a struggle between the Greek Orthodox Church
and the Roman Catholic Church.
And what Rome wanted to do, way back as far as about 1917-1918, was to create a
Roman Catholic buffer state in central Europe involving Austria, and Bavaria,
and Croatia, and the various Catholic areas, and to use that as a means of
projecting power and insulating Europe from the communist revolution that had
taken place.
It just boggles my mind that in almost every hot spot of the world we find
underlying the Roman Catholic Churches involved in it.
I mean, for you to mention Croatia and how the Roman Catholic Church is involved in
that, I mean, is there any battle, any war, any conflict going on on earth
that the Roman Catholic Church is not behind the scenes working?
You know, let me read you a text on this, John.
This is a text that has often captured my imagination.
Because in Revelation 18, where the fall and destruction of Babylon is found,
at the end of the chapter it says, And the light of a candle shall shine no
more at all in thee, and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard
no more at all in thee.
For thy merchants were the great men of the earth, for by thy sorceries were all
nations deceived.
By whose sorceries?
The papal sorceries.
And what kind of sorceries are these?
Spiritual and intellectual sorceries to subvert their allegiance to the Lord and
to the principles of the Bible.
And in her was found the blood of prophets and of saints and of all that were slain
upon the earth.
So look how the Bible lays the charge of the blood of all that were slain upon the
earth at the feet of what power?
The thing that is amazing is that, I don't know how much our viewers know,
but the major conflict we are embroiled in right now in Orlando over the great
controversy of billboards that are all over town.
David Mould's ministry, Lehman for Religious Liberty, has got these
billboards up all over town.
Why is the papacy trying to change our Constitution?
And the uproar that is created here in central Florida and in Orlando,
and of course the Florida Conference and the Union and the General Conference have
all gotten involved, and they are calling and writing the archdiocese and all the
churches here and all the religious commentators getting on talk shows,
both on TV and radio, telling them that they have nothing to do with this and that
this is a hate campaign and everything else, and that this is not sponsored by
the quote Seventh-day Adventist Church.
And they are just buddy-buddying up to the papacy, unbelievably.
You know that we are all Christian brothers and putting their arms around
them, and yet we find what the papacy is really doing.
Then we find what our prophet has told us, the stance that we should take against the
Roman papacy in the last days.
Yes, we love the people, but we despise the institution.
And we are finding such a kissing up to the papacy among the leadership of the
structure.
It's just unbelievable.
We have forgotten who we are in our Seventh-day Adventist message.
And that's what we want to address today.
And John, there's another factor with this media business.
It's recognized by constitutional lawyer Nancy Lord and others that this situation,
this standoff in Waco, Texas, is a media-driven event.
It was a thing that was actually even almost created by the media.
Why would the media want to do that?
We want to look at this later on in the video today, because what we are
witnessing on the world, the Pope has called for a new economic, political,
geopolitical economic structure to be imposed upon the world, which is different
than socialism and capitalism, or communism and capitalism.
A third way.
And what we are watching now is a socialist type of legal agenda and code
that is being imposed with draconian penalties around the world, labeled
environmentalism.
And if you kill a bird, you get a penalty worse than if you kill a man.
And if you violate the Clean Air Act, you can have 450 years in prison.
Many lifetimes.
And so we want to look at what is behind this.
What is behind the fact that we have a Jesuit-trained president now?
And the mother of all Jesuit schools.
We want to look at all that.
But John, first of all, as we're going into this, I'd like to read a passage from
J.A.
Wiley.
Ellen White loved Wiley.
She quotes him.
He was one of her favorite authors in Great Controversy, next to Dalbigny,
probably.
And we're carrying his set on the history of Protestantism, making it available to
the people.
Oh, you sent that to me for Christmas, Bob.
Both parts one and part two, those big yellow volumes.
They are wonderful.
See, our burden, as yours is, is not just to expose the wickedness of the man of
sin, but to point the people to salvation and to point them to the true everlasting
gospel, which is at the foundation of the three angels' messages.
And so we must not only know what the man of sin is doing, we must not only read the
signs of the times, but we must know what the Lord wants to do in our hearts.
And how with Protestantism, with genuine Protestantism, when we understand and
accept that principle, we have something more powerful than the Jesuit order,
than Opus Dei, than all of Catholicism and apostate Protestantism and spiritualism
combined.
This is the most powerful force in the world because it is the graft from heaven
on human nature that empowers us with omnipotent power to do the will of God and
to gain victory over sin and to transform the hearts of men.
So, I'd like to just read something that Wiley says here in Volume 1 of the History
of Protestantism.
This is page 2.
Now, Bob, has Biblical Studies Institute reprinted this?
No, we're just carrying it.
Oh, you're just carrying it.
For a gift...
Now, you reprinted...
We reprinted Daubigny's...
Yeah, History of the Reformation.
I don't know that I've shown that, John.
Let me show that.
Well, let's see that.
I mean, I'm just flabbergasted that Biblical Studies Institute, that your
ministry would undertake such a mammoth project.
And I think it's wonderful, though.
I mean, obviously God has inspired and moved you to do that.
And not only have you reprinted Daubigny's History of the Reformation, but also this
Adventist Apocalypse that Diane and I are reading every morning for our personal
devotions and loving.
Well, we sure enjoy working with you, John, here at Prophecy Countdown.
It's always a tremendous inspiration for us to come down here.
This is the History of the Reformation that we just reprinted.
History of the Reformation of the 16th Century by J.H.
Merle Daubigny.
It went out of print in 1990, and there were so many people that wanted to have
it.
Ellen White and James would spend Sabbath afternoon reading this for hours at a
time.
And Ellen White found the passages in here that she included in Great Controversy
that precisely described what she had seen and envisioned in the Great Controversy
vision.
It's just thrilling.
And hundreds and hundreds of people have ordered this already from us.
Praise the Lord.
Put them out by the hundreds.
And here is the Adventist Apocalypse that we have just printed.
Wonderful book.
This is from the files of the letters and manuscripts written by Ellen White.
You know, one thing, John, that really hit me in reading this was the emphasis that
she places repeatedly on memorizing the Word of God because the Bible will be
taken away from us.
And one very interesting comment that she has here, this is all about end-time
events, is how at the end of time, when Jesus comes a second time,
the righteous will come out of the caves to meet their Lord, and the wicked will go
into the very same caves, and even there they will be confronted with the truth
because they will find the periodicals left behind by the righteous when they
came out of the caves.
So, this is a thrilling book, and we've just printed thousands of them,
and there are loads and loads of people interested in getting it.
We're making that available to our Adventist people, something they never had
before.
Where do we start in all of this, Bob?
I just want to do a few preliminaries here first.
While we're talking about books, this is a new one that we are...
and we want to talk about this in our video today.
This is the Kulakov file.
Now, this is still a prototype that we bound in our own ministry, but shortly
we'll have thousands of them professionally printed.
This is from the correspondence between Russia and the General Conference
regarding Kulakov, and we want to discuss that today.
88 pages of pure documentation from the secret files of the General Conference.
Bob, Robert Falkenberg has been going around the world telling congregations
that Bob Trebs and John Osborne have made up all this stuff about Kulakov being a
KGB agent, that it's a big lie, that he is just a faithful, true and
faithful Adventist that would not think of having anything to do with the KGB.
These files, this file, this Kulakov file...
Now, from what I understand, it was a secret file that somebody from the General
Conference, one of our secret supporters at the General Conference, photocopied,
sent out, and it just mysteriously appeared in the mailbox of a true and
faithful Adventist that they knew would get it to you or to I, and that these
photocopied files just happened to show up one day showing the duplicity of the
General Conference in working together with the KGB and with Kulakov,
how they were so deeply involved in this, undeniably involved.
Well, for people who want to have the actual facts and the truth of the matter,
apparently there was a man who had access to this.
We think we know who it might be, but we're not certain yet.
It even looks like perhaps some of it was taken right off of the computers,
you know, computer letters that had been written.
Whoever it was, bless their heart.
And it just showed up in a brown envelope one day at a friend of mine's desk at his
work.
And it was completely anonymous, no return address or anything.
And he passed it on to us.
So now the people can know what the truth of the matter really is.
We want to get to the bottom of these things, don't we, John?
It gives us a lot of peace to know what the truth is, doesn't it?
I'll be very honest with you, it's nauseating to see the depths to which this
thing goes.
But on the other hand, it's peace saying, Thank you, Lord, for showing us the truth.
You know, it's kind of like Ezekiel.
You know, Ezekiel 8, when he went into the temple and he was just so nauseated by the
apostasy he saw and all the pagan symbols and the depths of the sin to which the
leadership had taken the people.
But God said, Ezekiel, dig deeper, go farther.
You haven't seen anything yet.
You think you've seen bad stuff?
You haven't seen anything yet.
And that's exactly the way it is, is we delve into this stuff, both with
celebration, with the neuro-linguistic programming, now with this Jesuit agenda.
The deeper we dig, God says, listen, you haven't seen anything yet.
Just keep digging.
And the more that you dig into this Jesuit agenda, the thing you were telling me
yesterday, it just becomes nauseating.
Yet, on the other hand, it's the vindication of everything we have said
thus far.
Praise God's holy name.
And what it does, John, I think the purpose, one of the purposes of God in
allowing us to discover these things is it places in sharp relief the difference
between the everlasting gospel and the principles of corruption, of the papacy
and apostate Protestantism and spiritualism.
And it enables us to go forward with greater and keener strength.
And I'm continually impressed over and over again with the vision that Ellen
White had in her early days where she was looking for the people of God and Ellen
White was told by the angel, look again and look a little higher.
She wasn't looking high enough.
And that tells us something too, John.
The Lord's people, the Lord's adamant people are not down here being mixed up
with celebration and the world and the worldly music and the worldly principles
of the papacy.
Drama.
Drama and NLP and all of that type of thing.
They're not down here.
They're far above.
We don't even look high enough for them when we first look for them.
And if the prophet had a problem looking high enough for them, we certainly need to
take heed to that and realize that the Lord has a pure people that he is
preparing for heaven.
They're on a higher plane, a totally different plane.
They're not getting mixed up with all this other stuff.
Well, I want to start in here, John, first of all on a positive note.
And my feeling is that what galvanizes me and strengthens me to even study these
things is the time that I spend with the Lord and with the truth.
We have to have big, massive doses of the truth in order to be able to even handle
looking at some of these things.
So, let's look at the definition of Protestantism by J.A.
Wiley.
And first, I'd like to just tell who this man is.
And this tells us how far we've sunk.
Do we have a professor that teaches about the papacy today?
That really exposes the papacy and the Jesuit order?
You see, he was a professor that lectured on the papacy.
He was an expert.
He was a Scottish man, born in Scotland in 1808.
And he was a prolific writer on Protestant themes.
He wrote the History of Protestantism, which is almost 2,000 pages, published in
1878.
And here we have a picture of the kind of Protestantism that Ellen White was a
participant in and a member of.
A Protestantism that was clear about Protestant principles and that wanted to
have nothing to do with the papacy.
The idea of inviting the papal representative, the chief ecumenical
officer of the Archdiocese of Indiana, to a general conference session would have
been unthinkable.
Mrs. White said they taught their children to abhor perpery.
That's right.
Page 2.
It is true, no doubt, that Protestantism, strictly viewed, is simply a principle.
It is not a policy.
It is not an empire, having its fleets and armies, its officers and tribunals,
wherewith to extend its dominion and make its authority be obeyed.
It is not even a church, with its hierarchies and synods and edicts.
It is simply a principle.
But it is the greatest of all principles.
It is a creative power.
Its plastic influence is all-embracing.
It penetrates into the heart and renews the individual.
It goes down to the depths, and by its omnipotent but noiseless energy,
vivifies and regenerates society.
You know, when I think of that, John, our Constitution in this nation is a
product of Protestant principles.
Absolutely.
And the reason why every Republican and Protestant principle is going to be
repudiated is because of the acceptance of papal principles.
All you have to do is go into Washington, D.C., look at the pillars in the Library
of Congress, and all the statesmen, there are famous sayings of each
statesman, they were Protestants, they were godly, God-fearing men.
Our nation is based on Protestant principles.
Now, you just got back from Russia, John.
Yes.
And what did you see there?
I saw a country that had went into a time warp in 1970, 1917 with the Bolshevik
Revolution, that had been atheistic now for over 70 years, and the degradation of
their society is based because they've had no God.
That's it.
They have no atheism, they have no morals, they don't know right from wrong.
It's just whether you get caught or not, and it is an evaluation.
It is the product of a country that has been without God for over 70 years.
And that's what Saul's Hennesson said.
He said, we had the Gulag Archipelago because we forgot God.
Right.
And there's many ways of forgetting the true God.
That's absolutely what has happened in our country, shamefully.
It thus becomes, that is Protestantism, thus becomes the creator of all that is
true and lovely and great.
What is the nation that has accepted Protestant principles more than any other?
The United States.
Absolutely.
And what is the nation that has been the dynamo of liberty, the dynamo of
invention, the dynamo of everything that makes life dear to the human heart?
The land of the free, the home of the brave.
Exactly.
And when you came back from Russia, you were...
Oh, I wanted to kiss the ground.
When we came through customs in Miami, I was singing, God bless America,
and they all started laughing.
I see why people get down off the ramp and kiss the ground when they come to America.
Sure.
I had the same experience coming back from teaching in Africa.
I went around to one public school after another.
They asked me to speak, and I told them, you have no idea...
No idea.
...how grateful you can be to have a heritage of Protestantism, a heritage of
the Bible in your culture, where you live in a culture where for hundreds of years,
there has been an exposure to Protestant and Biblical teachings and principles
being accepted by society.
We want to look today at how this has just flipped inside out.
It thus becomes the creator of all that is true and lovely and great, the founder of
free kingdoms and the mother of pure churches.
Amen.
How do you like that?
Amen.
The globe itself, it claims as a stage not too wide for the manifestation of its
beneficent action.
And the whole domain of terrestrial affairs, it deems a sphere not too vast to
fill with its spirit and rule by its law.
And that's what happened with our Constitution.
The principles of Protestantism got into the hearts and minds of the people and
worked themselves out in the political sphere.
And that's why we have in Revelation 13...
I want to just read it here, John.
Revelation 13, this beautiful picture of a lamb-like beast coming up.
Revelation 13, verse 11, And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth,
and he had two horns like a lamb, lamb-like, Christ-like, Protestant
principles of republicanism and Protestantism.
But he spake as a dragon.
And we're looking today, Lord willing, in this taping, we're wanting to look at
how America's already starting to speak as a dragon.
Oh, I'll say.
Dropping down a little bit further here, Protestantism is not solely the outcome of
human progress.
And many people are confused about this.
It is no mere principle of perfectibility inherent in humanity, such as the
Communists like to believe in.
And ranking as one of its native powers, in virtue of which when society becomes
corrupt it can purify itself, and when it is arrested in its course by some external
force or stops from exhaustion, it can recruit its energies and set
forward anew on its path.
It is neither the product of the individual reason, nor the result of the
joint thought and energies of the species.
Protestantism is a principle which has its origin outside human society.
It is a divine graft on the intellectual and moral nature of man, whereby new
vitalities and forces are introduced into it.
John, and this is what the true independent ministries are all about,
isn't it?
Do you feel that divine force that's grafted on humanity?
That's what's the driving force of the true...
And I think that's what separates us from nominal Adventism more than anything else.
And the nominal independent ministry.
Our people have to make it...
You see, our people are coming to a realization that in everything God divides
into twos.
You know, He divides into twos between the righteous and the wicked.
And then He divides the righteous into twos.
And, you know, there keeps going a dividing, a shaking, a dividing
continually.
God is continually dividing things up into twos.
And the same thing that happened in the structure is now happening in the
independent ministries.
That's right.
And to me, this is the most important difference between the true, biblical,
historic Seventh-day Adventist and the nominal Adventism that is awash in NLP and
celebration and all of that.
It's not just that we don't believe in celebration.
It's not just that we don't believe in NLP and that we see a problem with cozying up
to the papacy.
It's that we see a problem with that because we have accepted this principle.
And this principle is so dear to our hearts.
And this is what separates us and drives us onward up that upward path toward
heaven.
It is a divine graft on the intellectual and moral nature of man whereby new
vitalities and forces are introduced into it and the human stem yields henceforth a
nobler fruit.
You know, we're going to be talking today, John, about some pretty serious
developments that are taking place in the executive branch of our government in the
thinking of the people that is reproducing the very scenario which was in Germany
when Hitler took over.
We're going to be looking at very grave things.
But through it all, John, we have to realize that when we take hold of true
Protestantism, we have taken hold of something far more powerful than all of
these other things.
And it's going to lighten the earth with its glory.
Just like the fourth angel of Revelation 18, Bob, every interview that I've had
with you has just been mind-boggling.
I mean, sometimes I just have to tell the cameras to stop and I just have to let my
mind absorb.
People call us and tell us that in watching these Jesuaginda videos that they
will have to stop and go back and see something again.
And maybe sometimes they'll have to view the video three or four times before it
finally starts sinking in.
And Bob, you just have to understand that the Lord has given you such a brilliant
mind and you have been through so much of this stuff that you have to be
long-suffering with some of us as we try to hang on for dear life as you take us
through some of this stuff.
Because it's just sometimes more than our minds can absorb.
It's so mind-boggling.
Well, that's the way I feel when I'm doing this studying, John.
Riding out here on the plane, I was studying a new book.
I had just gotten my Ph.D.
on the New World Order.
Every page is loaded with documentation.
And this documentation was so mind-boggling.
At one point, I put my thumb on one of the quotes and I stuck it back to Barbara,
my wife, sitting behind me on the plane.
I said, read that.
And she read it.
And then she said, how can you read this stuff for hours?
How can you take it?
But I tell you, the most sinister thing is developing in this world but yet we live
above it because of this principle of Protestantism.
It is the descent of a heaven-born influence which allies itself with all the
instincts and powers of the individual with all the laws and cravings of society
and which, quickening both the individual and the social being into a new life and
directing their efforts to nobler objects permits the highest development of which
humanity is capable and the fullest possible accomplishment of all its grand
ends.
In a word, Protestantism is revived Christianity.
Bob, do you believe through our Jesuit Agenda videos and look at these two huge
volumes, the history of Protestantism do you believe that our people are beginning
to appreciate what it means to be a true Protestant?
I pray that we all do, John, because it is the most exciting thing in the world.
You get up in the morning, you are in touch with the most powerful, the most
vibrant, the most significant, deepest, profoundest principle that there
is.
Do we really understand how grateful we should be to God to be a Protestant?
That's right.
And you see, if we are a Protestant, we will...
being a Protestant means that we protest against the papacy.
You can't be a Protestant without protesting against the papacy.
That's what a Protestant is.
It's part and parcel of it.
And to realize what a glorious gift God has given us to be Protestants,
to be Protestants.
That's what God has called us to be.
And when true Protestantism reached its prime, the papacy trembled.
At one time the people, the masses, trembled at the feet of the papacy.
But when true Protestantism was grafted on the hearts of the people and it set the
northern European peoples free, the papacy shook in its boots at the sight
of men who were fearless.
Fearless.
And they couldn't control them.
They couldn't make them submit to their power.
Does that strike a chord with you?
Because that's exactly what the conference men, they say.
They say, that John Osborne, he's uncontrollable and he's scared of nothing.
You know, that's what a Protestant is.
That's right.
You know, a Protestant is not fearful.
A Protestant dares to protest.
And you see, there are only two groups.
You're either a Catholic or a Protestant.
If you're not protesting, then you're a Catholic.
That's right.
And you think our people have grasped that yet, Bob?
This is the message we've been trying to get across, folks.
I think thousands are grasping it.
I just, our ministry just got a call yesterday, and I understand I'm about to
even be more distinguished than you, John.
Oh, how's that?
Because I'm about to be disfellowshipped a second time.
Oh, bless your heart.
You're ahead of me.
Okay.
Now, here on page 125, this liberty that we talk about with religious liberty,
with liberty of conscience, is grounded in the authority of God.
And I want to read something here about Wycliffe.
Wycliffe was virtually unsurpassed as a Reformer.
And Wiley here says, It was under Wycliffe that English liberty had its beginnings.
It is not the political constitution which has come out of the Magna Carta of King
John and the Barons, but the moral constitution which came out of that divine
Magna Carta that Wycliffe gave her in the 14th century, which has been the sheet
anchor of England.
The English Bible wrote not merely upon the page of the statute book, but upon the
hearts of the people of England, the two great commandments, fear God,
honor the King.
These two sum up the whole duty of nations, and on these two hangs the
prosperity of states.
There is no mysterious or latent virtue in our political constitution, and we might
say here in America, in our U.S.
Constitution, which, as some seem to think, like a good genius, protects us,
and with invisible hand guides past our shores the tempests that cover other
countries with the memorials of their devastating fury.
The real secret of England's greatness is her permeation, and he's writing here in
the 19th century, at the very dawn of her history with the principles of order and
liberty by means of the English Bible and the capacity for freedom thereby created.
This has permitted the development by equal stages of our love for freedom and
our submission to law, of our political constitution and our national genius,
of our power and our self-control, the two sets of qualities fitting into one
another and growing into a well-compacted fabric of political and moral power
unexampled on earth.
If nowhere else is seen a similar structure so stable and so lofty,
it's because nowhere else has a similar basis been found for it.
It was Wycliffe that laid that basis.
And then he goes on and says, But above all his other qualities, above his
scholastic genius, his intuitive insight into the working of institutions,
his statesmanship was his fearless submission to the Bible.
So see, liberty has to be grounded in the Bible.
Otherwise it becomes license and it's weak.
But a liberty that is grounded in the sovereignty of God, in a fearless
submission to the Bible, is unconquerable.
It was in this that the strength of Wycliffe's wisdom lay.
It was this that made him a Reformer and that placed him in the first rank of
Reformers.
He held the Bible to contain a perfect revelation of the will of God,
a full, plain and infallible rule of both what man is to believe and what he is to
do.
And John, when I hear your videos, I praise the Lord, because this is what
you're calling people back to, this fearless submission to the Bible.
And turning away from all other teachers, from the precedence of the thousand years
which had gone before, from all the doctors and councils of the Church,
he placed himself before the Word of God and bowed to God's voice speaking in that
word with the docility of a child.
You know, when we bow to the Word of God, John, it changes even the way our mind
thinks in ways that we cannot comprehend.
And the authority to which he himself so implicitly bowed, he called on all men to
submit to.
His aim was to bring men back to the Bible.
The Reformer restored to the Church, first of all, the principle of authority.
There must be a divine and infallible authority in the Church.
And I hear in your videos, John, and the true independent ministries are
continually calling people back to the authority of the Bible and the spirit of
prophecy.
That authority cannot be the Church itself for the guide and those whom he guides
cannot be the same.
Right.
The divine and infallible authority which Wycliffe restored for the guidance of men
was the Bible, God speaking in his word.
And by setting up this divine authority, he displaced that human and fallible
authority which the corruption of the ages had imposed upon the Church.
And later today in this taping, John, we want to look at how the devil has
used spiritualism to corrupt the principle of divine authority and to make humanity
as a whole vulnerable to the authority of the papacy once again.
He turned the eyes of men from popes and councils to the inspired oracles of God.
Wycliffe, by restoring authority to the Church, restored to her liberty also.
We're not opposed to authority in the Church.
We want God's authority.
We want the authority of the Word.
We want the authority of the spirit of prophecy.
And now something very significant.
While he taught that the Bible was a sufficient and all-perfect rule,
he taught also that every man had a right to interpret the Word of God for his own
guidance in a dependence upon the promised aid of the Holy Spirit.
Thus he taught men to cast off that blind submission to the teaching of mere human
authority which is bondage, and to submit their understandings and consciences to
God speaking in His Word which alone is liberty.
And I tell you, Church ecclesiastics have been scared of that principle,
afraid to let the people be turned loose with the Word of God.
But that is the one thing that will save humanity when people find the authority of
the Word.
These are the two first necessities of the Church of God, authority and liberty.
An infallible guide and freedom to follow Him.
Because when you have the authority of God, you have to have freedom to follow
that authority.
And that's where our conflict with human authority which is opposed to the
authority of God comes in in our struggle within Adventism.
I can't help but think of what Caiaphas said.
Better that one man die.
If this man's principles are brought into among our people, the structure is going
to collapse.
Therefore, it's better that this one man die and save the structure.
And that's going to be the argument at the time of the death decree.
Absolutely.
Same principle.
These two must ever go together.
That is, authority of God and liberty to follow Him.
The one cannot exist without the other.
And that's why we're concerned about religious liberty and about liberty of
conscience.
Without authority, there can be no liberty.
For liberty without order becomes anarchy.
And without freedom, there can be no divine authority.
For if the church is not at liberty to obey the will of her master, authority is
overthrown.
That's right.
And that is what we're interested in promoting.
Liberty to follow the Lamb of God, the Master.
John, go ahead.
Well, you know, people are always throwing this at the faithful independent ministry
saying, oh, there's no structure.
They're just all a bunch of independent atoms.
Nothing could be farther from the truth.
There is structure.
There is order.
There is organization.
When the church went into the wilderness in Revelation 12 and verse 6, you know,
there weren't corporations.
There weren't hospitals.
There weren't colleges.
There weren't a hierarchical system.
There weren't credentialed pastors and money and prestige.
It didn't have any of that.
It was just a group of persecuted believers that went into the wilderness
because they were being persecuted by a large organization that had so much
disfellowshipped them.
But it was still God's church.
But the reason that they had structure and organization is because the Holy Spirit
was the one that was controlling them.
That's right.
You see, there doesn't have to be an Adventist pope that controls God's people.
The Holy Spirit does that.
And all you have to do is come to the camp meetings of the faithful independent
ministries and find the structure and organization and camaraderie and union and
the beauty of holiness that is manifested there.
That's right.
It's so obvious that the Holy Spirit is the one that organizes His people.
And this goes to the very heart of the question, doesn't it?
In the room of the rule of God is put the usurpation of man.
Authority and freedom, like the twins of classic story, must together flourish or
together die.
Now, John, I want to just turn our mind to the Word of God for just a second here in
John chapter 3 because we're going to be shortly looking now at the order of the
Jesuits, historically, and their principles and how they contrast with the
principles of the everlasting gospel.
But here Jesus is speaking to Nicodemus.
And he said to him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born
again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old?
Can he enter the second time into his mother's womb and be born?
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of
water and of the spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the spirit is
spirit.
Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof,
but canst not tell whence it cometh or whither it goeth.
So is every one that is born of the spirit.
Now, when Protestantism began sweeping like a fresh blast of fresh air across
Europe in the 16th century, thousands of people were having this experience of
being born again.
And the principle, the battle cry, the battle text of the Reformation was
Romans 1, 17.
And we need to go to verse 16.
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God unto
salvation to every one that believeth, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith, as it is
written, The just shall live by faith.
And when it dawned on the people's minds that salvation was by grace through faith
in Christ's righteousness, then the chains fell off, and then the power of the
hierarchy was broken, and then they could go ahead and make progress.
But there had to be a clear decision on that, a clear experience on that.
Now, in the Jesuit order, the Jesuits tried to...
Ignatius Loyola, the founder of the Jesuits, tried to duplicate, tried to
clone this Protestant experience and create a conversion process by the use of
the spiritual exercises of Ignatius Loyola, so that the conversion process
would be at every step under the control of man.
And he made a counterfeit conversion process.
This is the spiritual exercises which Bill Lovelace recommended to his congregation
in Loma Linda.
And I'd like to now go to the second volume of Wiley.
You know, the amazing thing is, Bob, that Helen White had a third grade
education, and these were the types of books that she was familiar with and that
read and studied.
I mean, can you imagine a person with a third grade education reading and studying
these kinds of books?
Obviously, she was inspired of God, folks, in so many, many ways.
And I'd like to spend a little time here now looking at the Jesuit order and how
they're constructed and what their purpose is.
There's a lot here about Loyola that we won't have time to go into, but the
spiritual exercises...
I want to bring some material in here about the spiritual exercises.
Ignatius wanted to duplicate what was going on in Protestantism and keep it
under the control of the Church and use a false conversion process, he considered it
true, no doubt, but use this counterfeit conversion process, then, to defeat the
true conversion process, the true conversion of Protestantism that was going
on in thousands of hearts at that time.
The Jesuits were famous for this.
This is what Francisco Rivera did in 1590 by inventing Futurism.
It's because they had to undo, they had to counteract what was happening
in Protestantism.
This was the work of the Jesuits, to undo what was going on in Protestantism
by inventing a counterfeit.
That's the point.
And the issue comes so close.
The attempt is to counterfeit it so close.
And the Jesuits in their history have been known, in their effort to accomplish their
purpose, they come very close to the spirit of the age in which they live,
and very close to the thinking of the people among whom they work.
And that's why when you go to enter in South America, you see a Catholicism that
has been impregnated with a lot of the paganism that existed there when the
conquistadors came.
Here's some material from Wiley now on the spiritual exercises.
This is a body of rules for teaching men how to conduct the work of their
conversion.
It consists of four grand meditations.
And we've shown the book in the past.
In fact, let me just grab a book here.
What is this book about?
Well, this is Directing the Spiritual Exercises.
I showed this before.
Yeah, you showed this before.
Choosing Christ in the World.
Directing the Spiritual Exercises of Ignatius Loyola according to Annotations
18 and 19.
It's a very flexible approach that the Jesuits use.
And we've talked about that in the past.
Now I want to focus in on the aspect of it being a counterfeit conversion process.
It consists of four grand meditations and the penitent retiring into solitude is to
occupy absorbingly his mind on each in succession during the space of the rising
and setting of seven suns.
Now, Annotations 18 and 19 call for the adaptation of the spiritual exercises to
the people that they are being taught to.
They are to be adapted so that the person is gradually led into this.
And all across in the New Age movement, this prayer imaging and New Age Adventism,
the New Age as it comes into the Lutheran Church and into all of these churches,
carries with it this mysticism, this experience of imaging and
visualization.
This is all from the Jesuits, you see.
This also has a great part to play in the small groups.
Oh, the small groups.
I mean, I just saw a big, huge ad in the Gleaner.
We get the Gleaner.
And a big ad.
I mean, a double-page ad on how to start small groups.
This is the thrust of the Washington Conference to start small groups in every
church.
And we've had studies about these small groups, Bob.
And it's so obvious where it's coming from.
And I know that all of these things you just mentioned are being brought into
these small groups that are being taught to our people.
Here I picked up a book when I was over in London, John.
What Happens in Groups?
Psychoanalysis, the Individual and the Community.
And it's interesting what is written on the back page here.
People are often utterly taken aback by the odd and alarming things that happen in
groups.
All sorts of groups.
Study groups, offices, clubs, political organizations, teams.
And it is known, it is known, this sensitivity type of session group was
developed in the New Age movement.
And the hippies were involved in this.
In fact, I talked to a person who was involved, who was a Catholic, who was
involved in the hippie movement.
And she told of how the priests would try to foster this hippie movement.
And they were trying to direct it.
They were trying to gain control and lead it in a certain direction.
We want to get into the significance of that later on.
Like Adventist pastors try to do now.
This idea of small groups is a New Age concept.
Absolutely.
For bringing about the New World Order.
We want to look at that a little later too.
Now, Bob, I'm not saying that every one of these Adventist pastors that are promoting
the small groups, and the conversators promoting the small groups, have any idea
what it is.
No.
But it is still this thing of following your supervisor or those that are in the
chain of command over you.
And it's a Jesuit concept whether they know it or not.
It's New Age whether they know it or not.
They may be innocent, but that does not change the fact that it's straight out of
the depths of hell.
And here's a book about T.
L.
Hard to Chardon.
We've talked about him, the most influential figure in the New Age
movement, a Jesuit priest, towards a new mysticism, talking about the amalgamation
of Western mysticism with Eastern mysticism, which is coming into the
Church.
But back to the spiritual exercises here.
This is Volume 2, page 384.
It may, that is the spiritual exercises experience, may be fitly styled a journey
from the gates of destruction to the gates of paradise, mapped out in stages so that
it might be gone in the short period of four weeks.
Now once again I say that this has been massively adapted in our day and they
don't adhere to the kind of timetables that initially were used.
There are a few more remarkable books in the world.
It combines the self-denial and mortification of the Brahman with the
asceticism of the anchorite, that's a breed of monks, and the ecstasies of the
schoolman.
It professes like the Koran to be a revelation.
The book of exercises says a Jesuit was truly written by the finger of God and
delivered to Ignatius by the Holy Mother of God.
That's like the Mormon saying, the golden plates, you know.
The spiritual exercises, we have said, was a body of rules by following which one
could affect upon himself that great change which in biblical and theological
language is termed conversion.
Now what is the purpose of the Jesuits?
I have a book which I failed to bring along at home which is about Jesuit higher
education and in it, it's written much of it by Jesuits and the book tells us that
the purpose of Jesuit education is to bring about intellectual conversion.
What they're interested in doing is intellectually converting society and
students.
There are 185,000 students in Jesuit post-secondary education schools in North
America alone.
And one who graduated from the mother of all Jesuit schools, Georgetown University,
was Bill Clinton.
That's one reason why we're looking at all of this today.
Intellectual conversion.
The book displayed on the part of its author great knowledge of the human heart.
The method prescribed was an adroit imitation of that process of conviction,
of alarm, of enlightenment, and of peace through which the Holy Spirit leads the
soul that undergoes that change in very deed.
This divine transformation was at that hour taking place in thousands of
instances in the Protestant world.
Loyola, like the magicians of old who strove to rival Moses, wrought with his
enchantments to produce the same miracle.
And so, the purpose of the spiritual exercises is to bring about a spiritual
and intellectual conversion which is under the control and direction of man.
Now, what about the order itself?
How does it function?
From his chamber in Rome, the eye of the general, that's the black pope,
the general of the society, surveys the world of Jesuitism to its farthest bounds.
There is nothing done in it which he does not see.
There is nothing spoken in it which he does not hear.
It becomes us to note the means by which this almost superhuman intelligence is
acquired.
Every year, a list of the houses and members of the society with the name,
talents, virtues, and failings of each is laid before the general.
In addition to the annual report, every one of the 37 provincials must send
him a report monthly of the state of his province.
He must inform him minutely of its political and ecclesiastical condition.
And this is another thing I've noticed, that the Jesuits in their writings are
keen observers of the human mind and what is happening in society, how people are
thinking.
This is page 389 in Book II of Wiley's History of Protestantism.
Every superior of a college must report once every three months.
The heads of houses of residence and houses of novitiates must do the same.
In short, from every quarter of his vast dominions come a monthly and a tri-monthly
report.
If the matter reported on has reference to persons outside the society, the
constitutions direct that the provincials and superiors shall write to the general
in cipher or code.
Such precautions are taken against enemies, said M.
de Chalaté.
Is the system of the Jesuits inimical to all governments?
Thus to the general of the Jesuits the world lies naked and open.
He sees by a thousand eyes, he hears by a thousand ears.
I've seen ads, almost full-page ads, for a person to become a Jesuit electrical
engineer, calling upon the people to join the brotherhood.
So they have electrical engineers, they've got people in all kinds of trades
and all kinds of occupations.
And when he has a behest to execute, he can select the fittest agent from an
innumerable host, all of whom are ready to do his bidding.
The past history, the good and evil qualities of every member of the society,
his talents, his dispositions, his inclinations, his tastes, his secret
thoughts have all been strictly examined, minutely chronicled and laid before the
eye of the general.
It is the same as if he were present in person and had seen and conversed with
each.
All ranks, from the nobleman to the day laborer, all trades, from the opulent
banker to the shoemaker and porter, all professions, from the stalled
dignitary and the learned professor to the cowled mendicant, all grades of literary
men, from the philosopher, the mathematician and the historian to the
schoolmaster and the reporter on the provincial newspaper are enrolled in the
society.
Marshaled and in continual attendance before their chief stand this host so
large in numbers and so various in gifts.
At his word they go and at his word they come, speeding over seas and mountains,
across frozen steppes or burning plains on his errands.
You know, I just saw a documentary recently produced by the British
Broadcasting Corporation titled The New Holy Roman Empire.
I saw that, incredible.
You saw that too?
Yeah, I got it from one of our supporters.
Send it to us.
Same person, send it to us.
And in it, remember how at the beginning one of these eminent theologians or
priests mentioned how Stalin had contemptuously remarked how many divisions
does the Pope have.
And then they went on to tell how it was the Pope's legions that had accomplished
this in Eastern Europe and in Russia.
And it showed actual Jesuits that had gone into Russia.
And I just picked up a book on this very subject of how the Church brought down the
Iron Curtain.
It was pre-eminently the Church.
Pestilence or battle or death may lie on his path.
The Jesuit's obedience is not less prompt.
Selecting one, the General sends him to the Royal Cabinet.
Making choice of another, he opens to him the door of Parliament.
And we even have a Jesuit trained one now as President.
A third, he enrolls in a political club.
A fourth, he places in the pulpit of a church.
And the secret instructions of the Jesuits call for the Jesuits to get in the most
prominent pulpits.
And talk about Jesuit agenda when you've got one in the most prominent pulpit in
North America who's calling on the people to read the spiritual exercises and
leading the ministers of the conference in the spiritual exercises.
Oh, have we ever stirred up a hornet's nest with that one.
Whose creed he professes that he may betray it.
See, they will profess the creed that they may betray it.
A fifth, he commands to mingle in the saloons of the literati.
A sixth, he sends to act his part in the evangelical conference.
A seventh, he seats beside the domestic hearth.
And an eighth, he sends afar off to barbarous tribes who are speaking a
strange tongue.
Wearing a rough garment, he executes amidst hardships and perils the will of
his superior.
There is no disguise which the Jesuit will not wear.
Malachi Martin in his book, The Jesuit, says they are everywhere.
This is writing now, writing today.
He was one.
He is a former Jesuit.
No disguise which the Jesuit will not wear, no art he will not employ,
no motive he will not feign, no creed he will not profess, provided only he can
acquit himself as a true soldier in the Jesuit army and accomplish the work on
which he has been sent forth.
We have men, exclaimed the general exultingly, as he glanced over the long
roll of philosophers, orators, statesmen and scholars who stood before
him, ready to serve him in the state or in the church, in the camp or in the school,
at home or abroad.
We have men for martyrdom if they be required.
And then while he goes on to tell the various levels, the novitiates and how all
of their life is examined when they join the order and they test them, they develop
tact and address, they try to make people who are winsome, who are likable,
who are witty.
His sound judgment is examined, his business talent, his health,
his bodily vigor are all closely watched and noted.
Above all, his obedience is subjected to severe experiment.
And if he acquits himself on that, he goes on to the house of second
probation where he's tried even more severe.
He fulfills a course of service in the hospitals.
They are big on hospital work, you see.
Learning humility by helping the poor and ministering at the beds of the sick.
What better way to ingratiate yourself into the hearts of men?
To further his advance in this grace, he next spends a certain term in begging
his bread from door to door.
Now, the times have changed a little bit, so there's not so much of that.
Thus he learns to live on the coarsest fare and to sleep on the hardest couch.
And to perfect himself in the virtue of self-abnegation, he next discharges for a
while the most humiliating and repulsive offices in the house in which he lives.
So they learn how to have a humility, how to have a self-abnegation.
He gets involved in hearing confessions and preaching in pulpit.
And then he goes on to the next stage, and finally he gets experience in
controlling other men.
And in the early days of the Order, and in Wiley's day, to have a preference
as to whether or not a person was going to obey an order was a deadly sin.
Obedience is not only the letter of his vow, it is the lesson that his training
has written on his heart.
And they take the simple vows of poverty, chastity, and obedience.
They keep on advancing until they get into the class of scholars.
They have colleges then of their own, as we know.
And his intellectual powers are severely tested and trained.
And I'll say this, John, that in the materials I've read by some of these
Jesuits, they are really geniuses in education.
And this is their purpose, because then they gain eminence.
And then people want to come and study under them.
And then they get the brightest scholars.
And then their purpose, the purpose of the Roman Catholic Church and the Jesuit
order, is to leaven society and to effect cultural change.
Cultural change, a change in the way people think.
They want acuteness of talent, brilliancy of example, and soundness of
body.
They are to be men that are leaders, that guide people in a way of thinking.
And they will profess a creed in order to destroy it.
And this is why it's so significant for us to understand the way they think,
the way they're organized, and what we must look for.
What are we looking for?
And my feeling is, as I read their materials and as I look at what they're
saying right now, the whole approach of the Jesuits is far more diffuse,
far more subtle, far more all-pervasive in the molding power and the thinking process
than we have realized.
For instance... Go ahead, John.
Bob, what do you think of Adventists that say, Oh, this is just paranoia.
I'm just not going to worry about the Jesuits.
I'm just going to love the Lord and just do what is right.
And I haven't got time to worry about all this stuff about Jesuits and all this
stuff.
Those guys are just paranoid.
What do you say to that?
Well, what I say to that is that things happen in this world because of something
that caused them to happen.
The world was not automatically Protestant in the times before Martin Luther.
There was a reason why it was Roman Catholic.
It was the educational processes, the cultural patterns, the things that the
people were exposed to in their lifestyle.
For instance, Václav Havel, who is... and let me just grab a book here, John.
Václav Havel, who was the president of Czechoslovakia after he became free,
was telling the people... and here's a book that tells about the use of the...
how the Church brought about the collapse of Communism, the final revolution.
Václav Havel tells in here, in a speech to the Czechoslovakian people, about the
problem of what it was like under Communism.
The people... a grocer would receive a shipment of groceries to sell in his
store, and along with that from the government commissar, he would receive a
poster that he was supposed to display in his window that said, Workers of the
World, Unite!
And Václav Havel asked the question, did that grocer really want the workers of
the world to unite under the Communist rule?
No, he didn't.
He wasn't in favor of Communism at all.
But he put the picture up.
Why?
Because if he didn't, he wouldn't get groceries.
Yes, he wouldn't get more groceries.
He'd be in trouble if he didn't do it.
And so Havel talked about the contagion, the contamination of the moral atmosphere
that created this kind of thinking and what it took to overthrow this.
Now, what our concern is with the Jesuit influence is, what are the educational
processes that have been set afoot?
What are the philosophical processes that are operating in the thinking of the man
on the street, from the man on the street right up through preachers and presidents?
What are the maxims and the ideas that run through people's minds that make society a
certain way?
Because the Jesuits are aiming at intellectual conversion.
They want to intellectually convert the whole nation.
They want to intellectually convert all of the church bodies.
And let me get another book.
Bob, I can't help but think of Hosea 4.6.
My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge.
Because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee.
So if we reject what is happening and bury our heads in the sand like the proverbial
ostrich, then God is going to hold us accountable.
We've got to take notice of what is going on.
Let me just give an example of what we're talking about here.
I saw with great interest your New Age Adventism No.
3 that Terry Ross and you put together, which was excellent.
Eight hours of material.
You know what I noticed over and over and over again in that video that you and
Terry remarked about?
The end justifies the means.
Now where did that come from?
There is a reason why that principle is functioning there.
Somewhere these ideas come from.
Now just look at society in general.
A book will be put out looking out for No.
1.
And suddenly it's the rage across the nation.
And loads of people are reading it.
It alters the way people think.
It alters then the way that parent relates to his children or relates to his other
workers or relates to society at large.
And so what we're dealing with here is intellectual revolution.
And what is called by the Jesuits as well as other scholars, paradigm shift.
Let me get another book here before I get to this one.
Here is The Structures of Scientific Revolutions.
I believe we've referred to this before in our Jesuit Agendas.
This is a book that is very closely studied in Jesuit universities because it
tells how a revolution, an intellectual revolution, takes place.
How to overcome opposition.
How it operates.
What are the mechanics of it.
And how you bring about a philosophical, intellectual type of revolution.
This is the field in which the Jesuits operate.
Now, has a revolution taken place in Adventism?
Absolutely.
There has been a revolution taking place in Adventism.
What is the explanation for it?
Now, it's no doubt due to a complex of things.
For one thing, the lack of studying and reading.
And general spiritual malaise can bring things on.
But the fact that we are seeing a determined program and agenda imposed on
the Church.
For instance, we have many reports that come into our office.
And one report was that the people were sitting one morning, one Sabbath morning,
in church and Sabbath school.
And a general conference man was present.
And by the time they walked out of Sabbath school, that whole Sabbath school had been
divided up into small groups.
The people really had nothing to do with it.
It was done.
It was finished.
You know, small groups have usually a leader, an assistant leader.
And there's all kinds of psychological dimensions that they're trained in.
And therefore, the mechanics of something new had been introduced into the Church to
bring about some kind of change.
And Lord willing, later on we're going to look at this planned concept of change
agents.
That is part of the thinking in the field of psychology today.
And part of the new world order.
Part of the new agenda with the new age.
Agents of change.
And so revolutions take place because someone is instilling ideas and thoughts.
And we have to examine those ideas and thoughts and say, where is this coming
from?
What is the explanation for this?
Why are we imbibing of something different than the Bible?
Who's introducing it?
And has this happened before?
And that's what we're trying to look at here.
For instance, in Malachi Martin's book, The Keys of This Blood here, John.
He takes us room by room through the different organizations and groups in the
world that have to be subjugated if the Pope is to gain control of the new world
order.
And we've mentioned before, Adventism is mentioned in here.
And the minimalists, the group to which Adventists belong, is viewed as a kind of
a vestigial opposition to the papacy which is going to have to conform to the new
world order, to the new globalism, the new international framework,
the new world church-to-be, if you please.
On Sabbath, we saw the interview between George Crosley and Kenneth Cox and your
rebuttal to it.
And what impressed me as I watched it was that here we had a masterful case study of
an individual who was exhibiting the very features of the world church-to-be that
the Jesuit Carl Rainer had written about in his book, The Unity of the Churches.
And we've talked about that in other videos on The Jesuit Agenda.
But is there a plan?
Yes, Ellen White says there is.
She says in Great Controversy that the papal plan is to regain control of the
world, re-establish persecution, and to undo all that Protestantism has
done.
That's why we're talking about the Jesuits here today.
There is a plan.
And now Malachi Martin comes out and says, yes, there is a plan.
There absolutely is.
And it's a plan to gain control of the whole world, every individual,
every nation, every language group, and cause the submission of everyone to
papal control in a new world order.
They've gone on record with it, and they're verifying what Ellen White
said.
So what we're trying to get at here is what realms do the Jesuits function in,
in the Opus Dei and these orders?
What are they seeking to accomplish?
What is their purpose?
And then what has happened in Adventism that corresponds with that?
That's the way we test and gauge what is happening.
Now back to Wiley's Volume 2 on the Jesuits, where he is telling us about the
equipment of the Jesuits and the order of the Jesuits.
This is page 392.
In the oath, the Jesuit promises to the omnipotent God in presence of his virgin
mother and of all the heavenly hierarchy and to the Father General of the Society
of Jesus, holding the place of God.
So to the Jesuit, the Father General of the Society holds the place of God.
Now, in our day, the Roman Catholic Church in America has been affected by American
principles.
But in turn, it is affecting American principles.
There is a co-mingling.
The American Church is recognized.
The American Catholic Church is different from other parts of the world.
But in turn, it is having its impact on American culture, on American thinking,
as these tens of thousands and scores of thousands of graduates of Jesuit
universities make their way out into the field.
For instance, do you know that one out of every ten lawyers has been trained by
Jesuits in this country?
Ten percent of all lawyers now are Jesuit-trained from Jesuit institutions.
So what happens then is a very diffuse, very subtle, very pervasive, widely
pervasive changing of the thinking of the people, of the legal codes, of the
political interpretations, and of the theology of the churches.
It's a very diffuse thing.
Now, in the Jesuit order, the professed members are the Jesuit society par
excellence.
They know the deepest secrets.
They alone know the deepest secrets of the order.
It's a secret society, and they alone wield its highest powers.
But perfection in Jesuitism cannot be reached otherwise than by the loss of
manhood.
This is page 392.
Will, judgment, conscience, liberty, all the Jesuit lays down at the feet of
his general.
Now, in the Jesuit order, there's a wide spectrum, as there is in Roman
Catholicism.
As recently as 1961, a book was written by a man who had been through the Jesuit
training in Europe, in which he reveals the very kind of severe and profound
discipline and self-torture, which the Jesuit order had in the early days.
Now, in America, where there's a permeation of Protestant ideas,
there's a little different approach to some of these things.
But I found something very, very interesting here.
When I was at the seminary, the man who taught principles of worship class was
very interested in promoting ecumenism.
He had us read ecumenical books.
He blasted anyone who, I told about this in Jesuit Agenda 1, who didn't buy the
ecumenical concepts.
Exactly.
The professors that I had in college were exactly the same way.
But one day, John, I saw him come into the Pioneer Memorial Church, and he had a
black turtleneck on.
No tie, black turtleneck and sport coat.
Now, that may seem innocuous enough to most people, but it struck me as very
strange.
Here is a seminary professor, not wearing a tie like the rest of the people,
wearing a black turtleneck, and he looked an awful lot like a priest, the way he had
it set up.
Do you know what I found out in this book?
That the young, liberal Jesuits in America prefer the turtleneck as the sign of them
belonging to the order, instead of some of the other things that historically
they've...
But I didn't find out about that until, you know, 15 years later, 10 years later.
And so, it's very, very interesting as a person discovers what is going on in these
orders and compares it with what is happening in our church, you begin seeing
the correspondences.
The wisdom, justice, and righteousness of the command of the superior in the order
is not to be questioned.
The Jesuit is not to permit his mind to dwell upon it for a moment.
It's the command of the general, and the command of his general is the
precept of the Almighty.
And they have expressions like this in the Jesuit order.
We must always see Jesus Christ in the general, be obedient to him in all his
behests, as if they came directly from God himself.
When they receive an order to go somewhere, they're not to stay until they
finish the letter their pen is tracing.
They must give instant compliance, so that holy obedience may be perfect in
every point in execution and will and intellect.
Now, in America, where there is a very liberal wing of the Jesuits, as well as...
you always have the conservative wing also, you may not find every element of
this.
The Jesuits have been in somewhat of a rebellion against the Pope for some time,
but they're apparently being brought back into line under the new black Pope,
the Superior General Kalvenbach.
Obedience is styled the tomb of the will, a blessed blindness, which causes the soul
to see the road to salvation, and the members of the society are taught to
immolate their will as a sheep is sacrificed.
The Jesuit is to be in the hands of his superior as the axe is in the hands of the
woodcutter, or as a staff is in the hands of an old man which serves him wherever,
and in whatever thing he is pleased to use it.
They are to be infined, the Constitution's enjoined that, quote, they who live under
obedience shall permit themselves to be moved and directed under divine providence
by their superiors just as if they were a corpse, which allows itself to be moved
and handled in any way.
Cadaver obedience.
Now, John, you know, you've talked about this cadaver obedience.
Are we seeing that kind of thing in the structure of the Adventist Church?
Adventism, I guess we are.
Cadaver obedience.
I don't want to see these videos.
I don't want to hear anything about it.
I don't want to read any material.
I don't care.
I'm staying with the structure no matter what.
I don't want to hear any of this stuff.
Get it away from me.
You know, it's the same.
The ship is going through, the ship is going through, the ship is going through.
And where did all those ideas come from?
This cadaver obedience.
Where did the idea come from?
Catholicism.
It's Catholicism and it's Jesuitism in a very marked way.
Jesuit principles, you see, have taken hold in the hierarchy of the Seventh-day
Adventist Church with the pastors and the administrators and the conference leaders.
And now it's spreading out over the people.
We even have the Aaron and Her Club now, which I think you were discussing in
another video.
But in the Aaron and Her Club, the people are encouraged to sign up to be
members of the club and even carry a card.
Whip their Aaron and Her card out.
Their Aaron and Her card out that they are going to support their leaders and uphold
their hands.
And they're going to oppose all criticism of all kinds.
And they're going to make life miserable for the people who don't join the Aaron
and Her Club.
Listen, Terry Ross had a great idea.
The Lord's really given him a clever mind.
What would you think of this?
If the faithful independent ministries started a Moses and Elijah Club that came
down and comforted Jesus on the Mount of Transfiguration and whenever one of the
corporate structure people whip out their Aaron and Her card, that we whip out our
Elijah and Moses card and say that we support...
You see, it was Moses and Elijah that supported Jesus just before the conference
crucified Him.
So you see, just before the corporate structure crucifies the true and faithful
as they did Jesus, we need to have a Moses and Elijah Club that supports the true and
faithful as the conference is preparing to kill them.
Interesting concept.
Wiley goes on to tell us how Loyola tried to fashion an order that would duplicate
the kind of courage and fearlessness that the emissaries of the gospel had.
It was to be a counterfeit all the way through, through its conversion process
right down to its apostolate.
And you see, when I was at the seminary, John, I had a professor in class who
lauded the Jesuits to the skies to us.
He told us what wonderful missionaries they were and how the monks had kept alive
knowledge and learning during the dark ages.
Well, anyone who knows history knows that the Roman Catholic Church almost
completely annihilated intellectual life in Europe in the dark ages.
That's why they were the dark ages.
There was a set of principles that gained control which almost annihilated
intellectual activity.
They chained the Bibles to monastery walls.
And the Latin term for the laity was the swine peccas or the herd of swine.
I mean, they treated them like cattle.
I mean, and to say that that was a time of intellectual, you know, the exalting of
the arts and everything, what a laugh!
That's when the world took a giant step backwards was when the papacy was in
control.
That's right.
That's why it's called the dark ages, I should say.
So, see, when we in Protestant Adventism see these principles gaining control,
we have to know where they came from.
That's why we're spending a little time here on the Jesuits.
John, we have a very significant chapter now on the moral code of the Jesuits.
And this is so significant because it deals with the way people think,
the principles that they adopt.
Ellen White tells us that when the schools of the prophets were established in
ancient Israel, and the young men studied the Proverbs of Solomon and the Psalms,
that the nation reached a height of grandeur that it was never seen to equal
since.
But here we're now going to look at maxims that are designed to destroy the human
spirit.
Nothing was left unthought of.
This is page 393.
Nothing was left unthought of and unprovided for which might assist them,
that is the Jesuits, in covering their opponents with defeat and crowning
themselves with victory.
So they had a mission.
And lest anyone think that this concept of a mission for the Jesuits has died out in
this book, The Jesuits, we read of the challenges of the popes in our day to
tackle this area or that area.
He will challenge the Jesuits to go in there and deal with this and that.
Crowning themselves with victory, they were set free from every obligation,
whether imposed by the natural or the divine law.
Every stratagem, artifice, and disguise were lawful to men in whose favor all
distinction between right and wrong had been abolished.
They might assume as many shapes as Proteus and exhibit as many colors as the
chameleon.
They stood apart and alone among the human race.
First of all, they were cut off from country.
Their vow bound them to go to whatever land their general might send them and to
remain there as long as he might appoint.
Their country was the society.
They were cut off from family and friends.
Their vow taught them to forget their father's house and to esteem themselves
wholly only when every affection and desire which nature had planted in their
breasts had been plucked up by the roots.
And Ellen White talks about this.
And she refers to them as a chameleon, too, so we know that she got it from
Wiley, sure.
They were cut off from property and wealth, for although the society was
immensely rich, its individual members possessed nothing.
Nor could they cherish the hope of ever becoming personally wealthy, seeing they
had taken a vow of perpetual poverty.
If at chance that a rich relative died and left them his heirs, the general relieved
them of their vow and sent them back into the world for so long a time as might
enable them to take possession of the wealth of which they had been named the
heirs.
Notice, they could renounce and lay off their vows and go and do something else
and come back.
And we have these former Jesuits like Malachy Martin writing books.
With the Jesuit order, they could renounce the vows and then come back to them later.
And I'm finding more and more of these former Jesuits writing books.
But this done, they returned laden with their booty and resuming their vow as
Jesuits laid every penny of their newly acquired riches at the feet of the
general.
Now, this is the classical understanding of the Jesuits by a man who understood
them perhaps better than almost any other individual, Wiley, who was a lecturer on
the papacy.
They were cut off, moreover, from the state.
They were discharged from all civil and national relationships and duties.
They were under a higher code than the national one.
The institutions, namely, which Loyola had edited and the Spirit of God had inspired,
they thought.
And they were the subjects of a higher monarch than the sovereign of the nation,
their own general.
So here you have a class of men whose supreme allegiance is to the general and
to the constitutions of their society rather than to the nation to which they
belong and the president and executive of that nation.
Nay more, the Jesuits were cut off even from the Pope.
For if their general held the place of the omnipotent God, much more did he hold the
place of his vicar.
And so it was, in fact, for soon the members of the Society of Jesus came to
recognize no laws but their own.
And though at their first formation they professed to have no end but the defense
and glory of the papal see, it came to pass when they grew to be strong that
instead of serving the tiara, they compelled the tiara to serve the society.
They compelled the Pope to serve the society and made their own wealth,
power, and dominion the one grand object of their existence.
They were a papacy within the papacy, a papacy whose organization was more
perfect, whose instincts were more cruel, whose workings were more mysterious,
and whose dominion was more destructive than that of the old papacy.
And now it's recognized that we have a new order today, Opus Dei, which is even more
secretive than them, and which has received the papal approval and has
received a unique status in the society of Catholicism which no other order has,
and which is recognized to be built and patterned on the lines of the Jesuits.
Now, Adolf Hitler said that he learned more from the Jesuits than from anything
else, and he patterned his whole system after the Jesuits, and he said more than
that, he said Lenin did exactly the same thing.
So the two great totalitarian systems of communism and Nazism were patterned on the
order of the Jesuits, and they even took the punishments of the society of Jesus
and utilized them in their organization.
To think that Nazism and communism have both been founded on Jesuit Roman Catholic
philosophy is just mind-boggling.
Yet it makes sense!
Look at them!
The most cruel, despotic governments that have ruled the world in the 20th century!
Yes, the statement by Hitler regarding him actually patterning after the... Here it
is, and this was reported by Hermann Roschning, who died in 1982.
He was a one-time crony of Hitler's who fled from Germany in 1936.
He reported a conversation in which Hitler himself acknowledged a much more direct
connection.
Quote, above all, I have learned from the Jesuits, and so did Lenin too,
as far as I recall.
The world has never known anything quite so splendid as the hierarchical structure
of the Catholic Church.
There are quite a few things that I simply appropriated from the Jesuits for the use
of the party.
Who was it that said that?
Hitler.
Talk about Jesuit influence.
This concept of the end justifies the means.
And that's only the beginning.
We're going to be looking at other Jesuit intellectual maxims and customs,
which have permeated through American society.
And if we have enough time on this tape, we want to look at the philosophical
underpinnings of Nazism and Communism, which have penetrated all through our
society, as well as Adventism.
Bob, I know that some of our Adventist people will say, oh John, how dare you say
something like that.
Listen, that's what Neil Wilson said when he was president of the General
Conference.
Neil Wilson said in court, under oath, that the Seventh-day Adventist
organizational structural system paralleled that of the Roman Papacy.
And if Hitler liked the system of the Roman Papacy, he would love the system of
the General Conference.
Because according to the leaders of our structure, that's exactly the same type of
system.
So, you know, don't get shocked at what I say, folks.
This is established.
It's appalling when you think about it.
It is so foreign.
You see, when the individual really undergoes the new birth, Christ becomes
the King of his life and the Lord of his life.
And then the person has to have liberty to allow the new King of his life to function
in his life.
He is part of the dynamic Kingdom of God.
And that overthrows this whole system of Jesuitism.
But Jesuitism was designed to overthrow that system of true conversion and true
Protestantism.
So this is where the crux of the battle is at in the minds and hearts of men.
Oh, this becomes mind-boggling sometimes.
The Lord has to clear your mind and give you clearness of reason to absorb all this
stuff.
The devil has tried to make it so complex and so confusing that God's people can't
understand it.
But God's people can understand it if they'll just ask for the illumination of
God's Holy Spirit.
You can see through all this maze.
Well, I wonder, John, why did I go through all of our educational system from grade 2
on?
Academy, college, graduate school, you know, and the classes of two master's
programs.
And never once did we have this for a textbook.
I can't believe it.
You know, it's astounding to me.
No wonder today hardly anyone knows what Protestantism really is anymore.
No one hardly experiences it.
And if we don't, John, here's the thing, if we don't read and study the Word of God
and adopt its principles and know what the issues are, we're not even in a position
to judge whether or not there's Jesuit influence in the church.
That's the problem.
The blind are leading the blind, and they're both falling into the ditch
because spiritual things are spiritually discerned.
And you have to have a perspective outside of Catholicism in order to judge the
presence of Catholicism.
So stood the Society of Jesus, page 394.
A deep and wide gulf separated it from all other communities and interests.
Now, another reason why we're interested now in doing a rather systematic look here
at the Jesuit order is because of the training of Bill Clinton, and we'll get to
that in a little bit, and his connections with the New World Order.
A deep and wide gulf separated it, that's the Society, from all other
communities and interests, set free from the love of family, from the ties of
kindred, from the claims of country, and from the rule of law, careless of the
happiness they might destroy and the misery and pain and woe they might
inflict.
The members were at liberty without control or challenge to pursue their
terrible end, which was the dethronement of every other power, the extinction of
every other interest but their own, and the reduction of mankind into abject
slavery, that on the ruins of the liberty, the virtue, and the happiness of the
world, they might raise themselves to supreme unlimited dominion.
In the midst of these abysses there opens to our eye a yet profounder abyss.
To enjoy exemption from all human authority and from every earthly law was
to them a small matter.
Nothing would satisfy their lust for license save the entire abrogation of the
moral law, and nothing would appease their pride save to trample underfoot the
majesty of heaven.
Now if our personal liberty depends on our submission to the moral law of the Ten
Commandments, the perfect law of liberty, then the Sabbath, you see, becomes the
secret of power of God's people at the end of time, because it is the sign of their
submission to the sovereignty of God and their deliverance from the papacy.
God's people will find their power in the sign spoken of in Exodus 31, Ellen White
says.
And so this is all part of what I believe what it means to proclaim the Sabbath more
fully.
Because proclaiming the Sabbath more fully means that you understand what undergirds
the Sabbath.
Protestantism, the Bible, the whole message of submission to God.
Now the Jesuit order, you see here, according to Wiley, the classical
understanding of the Jesuit order is that they would stop at nothing to destroy the
moral law.
Now we have seen the destruction of the moral law in the minds of society here in
America, haven't we?
In the minds of Adventists, Bob.
I never thought I'd see Adventists saying, so-called Adventists, saying the things
that they are saying about the moral law of God.
It used to be that we would have to do battle with the Sunday keepers over the
moral law of God.
Now, forget about them, I'm doing battle with my fellow Adventists over the moral
law of God.
How can we preach the three angels' message and vindicate the law of God to
the world when we're having the big skirmish that we are among our own people
over vindicating the law of God.
I mean, the very thing that I was going with Sunday keepers is now going on in the
Adventist church.
And what does the new theology teach?
That it's impossible to keep the law of God.
It's impossible to keep it.
All you have to do is love Jesus and He did everything for you on Calvary.
And that has really become the new creed.
As I watched that Kenneth Cox interview that you rebutted so admirably,
the idea of a creed kept coming up and he kept paying lip service to the Bible.
But in reality, his creed was not the Bible.
No, it was an ecumenical creed.
He was not saying about Rome what the Bible says about Rome at all.
And did you notice how big buddies he was with George Crosby, that Baptist
commentator?
You know, we're on the same team.
Along with the Archbishop.
Yes, along with the Archbishop.
As soon as the Sabbath would come up or any of the things...
Oh no, we're together on this.
You know, you don't have to become a Seventh-day Adventist.
You don't have to believe in the Sabbath and Kenneth Cox would just smile,
laugh, you know, and say, That's right, just love Jesus and follow the Bible.
That's all that matters.
And we're on the same team.
Well, listen, how can we be on the same team with Babel and Bob?
Right.
And this is a creed of just lovey-dovey-ness.
Lovey-dovey, sentimentalism, as Ellen White calls it.
That lovey-dovey, what she called it, a goody-goody religion is what Mrs. White
called it.
And now we want to look at the moral code of the Jesuits.
And here's what Wiley says, The keynote of their ethical code is the famous maxim
that the end sanctifies the means.
The end justifies the means.
Like you say, that ran through Terry and I's video of New Age Adventism III,
and you'll see it in IV also.
This is, you know, as long as we get baptisms out of it in church growth,
what difference does it make how we do it?
I mean, if we have to have a burlesque show, or a drag strip, or a horse race to
get them to church, hey, whatever it takes, the end justifies the means,
you know?
That's the keynote of the ethical code of the Jesuits.
So we have to, when we see that in Adventism, we have to ask, where did it
come from?
What parallels it, you know?
What is the origin of it?
Before that maxim, the eternal distinction of right and wrong vanishes.
See, everything then becomes relative.
And the end justifies the means.
The end makes the means okay.
As long as we get them baptized, that's all that matters.
Not only do the stringency and sanctions of human law dissolve and disappear,
but the authority and majesty of the Decalogue are overthrown.
There are no conceivable crime, villainy, and atrocity which this maxim
will not justify.
Now we're talking about a principle.
Nay, such become dutiful and holy, provided they be done for the greater
glory of God, by which the Jesuit means the honor, interest, and advancement of
his society.
Who would ever believe that our leadership would condone hypnosis, New Age
techniques, Pentecostalism, speaking in tongues, rock music, any of this stuff?
Who would ever believe the day would come, Adventists with white hair, who would ever
believe that our leadership of the structure would ever advocate this stuff
to facilitate church growth and evangelism in the name of evangelism?
God deliver us.
See, the end is church growth, and anything that produces that can be
justified.
That's right.
That is the Jesuit crime.
Look at how many people are coming to church.
Look, it works.
Who's to argue with it if it works?
That wholesome of church growth.
By the way, John, I want to show you another book here that's very interesting.
I think I mentioned in an earlier video about how I used to be on the Jesuit
mailing list, and I received their catalog of books.
And about five, six, seven years ago, I got a book.
I thought that was a Seventh-day Adventist book.
No.
A Caring Church.
No, no.
That's a Seventh-day Adventist term.
That's the whole... that's the slogan of our corporate structure, A Caring Church.
Where did it come from?
Well, Roman... the same thing.
We got everything else for church growth, from Roman Catholicism and New Age.
Well, one day I went to my mailbox, and there was the catalog there from the
Jesuits.
And one of the major books they were pushing was The Caring Church.
The Caring Church.
And here I had been seeing it in camp meetings, you know, this slogan,
The Caring Church.
And then I thought, isn't this so interesting that the Jesuit order is
promoting this concept of The Caring Church.
So we had some of our contacts contact the Jesuits directly and ask them what books
they recommended on The Caring Church.
And this was the first one that came in which they had recommended.
A Caring Church.
Notice, through shepherding ministries.
You see, what the general conference used to say is, The Caring Church that
disfellowships the true and faithful.
See, in little letters under it.
That's right, that's right.
That shows what they really care about.
Yeah, right.
And incidentally, the whole idea of caring, philosophically in our day,
it's a term from Heidegger, who was a German philosopher, who built on the
philosophies of Nietzsche.
And we want to get into this a little later.
But what he said is that since we live in an existential time, in other words,
a time where we don't really believe that God has any interaction with us,
and there's really nothing behind us or ahead of us, and all that there really is
is human experience, and just being here, we have to show care or concern.
Sorge in German.
We have to show care.
And therefore, caring is what validates human life.
But it's part of a whole system that says that God is dead for all practical
purposes.
And it comes right out of existentialism.
We want to look at this a little later on.
But this is one reason why we see this term, caring, so much.
Anyway, what was interesting to me was when I got this book, I looked at the
foreword and looked at who wrote the foreword.
Do you know who it was?
Who?
C.
Peter Wagner, Professor of Church Growth, Fuller Theological Seminary.
Everything is Fuller, Babylonian Seminary.
You have heard about Fuller, haven't you?
You've been talking about it.
And the man who wrote the book was a graduate of Fuller.
So I thought that was significant.
You know, when Tex Mars was here, we're going to be coming out with his
video right after yours.
I guess I've left the cat out of the bag.
We have interviewed Tex Mars, and the Secret Brotherhood is the name of his
video, my interview with him.
And he just lays this thing open about Fuller.
I mean, the stuff they have uncovered at Fuller, you know, people wonder how you
and I, why you and I are still alive.
And we know it's because the Lord is protecting us, Bob.
But the Lord is keeping Tex Mars alive, too, because he has exposed the Jesuit and
New Age infiltration of Fuller Theological Seminary.
Of many things that you and I have not touched on.
And, you know, the Lord just has to keep us alive as we expose this stuff.
Because it is cutting right at the heart of what is considered Christianity in
today's world.
That's right.
And see, the Caring Church is a function of the church growth movement.
It builds on the church growth movement.
And so you have church growth, Caring Church, you have a whole new
religion that has come in.
A religion of the end justifying the mean.
And guess what denomination, just like what denomination is foremost in promoting
neuro-linguistic programming, guess what denomination is sending most of its
pastors to Fuller Theological Seminary?
Probably on.
Seventh-day Adventists!
I mean, we are leading the pack in apostasy in the so-called Christian world.
It's just unbelievable.
John, when I was at the seminary, the fellows that were interested in going
on for doctorates, over and over again they'd say to me, I want to go to Fuller.
Fuller is the place I want to go.
That's right.
That's where all the conferences are sending the pastors.
And who was operating the celebration advocacy in the Oregon conference?
What graduates of what school were they?
Fuller.
Terry Ross pointed out in his video.
Right out of Fuller.
So this system of the end justifies the means is undergirds the church growth
movement.
And the Caring Church concept is right out of existentialist nihilism today,
which teaches that you have to have care for some object in order to authenticate
yourself.
But you know, John, something very interesting has been discovered by
historic Adventists or people who are wanting to follow the truth in the
structured churches where they're still going to church in a conference church.
And that is that the people who talk the most about caring, when their ideas are
crossed by a person who believes in right and wrong, then everything breaks loose.
Boy, I tell you, those are the people who become the most vicious.
The ones who keep talking about the Caring Church and the Caring Church and being so
lovey-dovey, those are the ones who turn the most vile and vicious against any
historic Adventist who dares to stand up for the truth found in the Bible and the
spirit of prophecy.
And the reason for that is because they have not had a genuine conversion
experience in Christianity.
And they have constructed their own values rather than accepting what the Bible says
about good and evil.
I can't tell you the number of people, Adventists, historic Adventists,
who have called and written us and told us that for some strange reason their pastor
would just disappear for two weeks, three weeks, two or three months.
And nobody knew where he was.
And they would just get another pastor to come in for a short period of time.
But then their pastor would all of a sudden appear after a couple of months.
And when they began to investigate, found out he had gone to Fuller.
They would never tell anybody.
The conference would never tell them.
All of a sudden, suddenly, their pastor would just disappear and come back several
months later with new concepts and a totally different person.
And you see, that's the way they're sending all these guys to Fuller to learn
all of these concepts of, quote, church growth.
And you know, people say, well, I'm just not going to pay any attention to
this stuff that John Oz and Bob Trebs and Terry Ross and these guys are saying.
I'm just going to... You can't!
It's being forced upon our people.
And the pastor comes back and presses it home to the congregation.
And if you oppose it, boy, you are out of there.
Listen, the days of our people, you know, being pew warmers and just not
paying any attention to this stuff are over.
It's impossible.
You have got to realize what's going on in our church, in our structure.
It's amazing the days of our Adventist people just sitting by and just letting
this stuff happen and saying it's not going to affect them.
Those days are over.
You've got to make a decision.
There is a galvanizing going on among our Adventist people.
And you have got to either be on one side or the other.
That's right.
We had an experience in our conference where suddenly all the pastors...
This is about three or four years ago.
Almost all the pastors were suddenly gone from their pulpits.
Got raptured.
The whole conference, gone.
Wives weren't saying anything.
Conference office wouldn't say a thing.
And a little sleuthing was done and it was found that they went off for another lead
consultant's course.
Lead consultant.
And after being gone for a couple, three weeks, they came back.
They don't tell anybody.
Very secretive.
I know of a seminary professor that a number of years ago spent two months at a
monastery.
What was he doing there?
I know of a pastor who went to a Curcio meeting put on by the Roman Catholic
Church.
You know what Curcio is?
Curcio has been a program which the Roman Catholic Church has pushed.
A three-day retreat program to introduce Roman Catholics to the charismatic
movement.
And we understand now that they have a Curcio program for non-Catholics.
It's a brainwashing program where the people bring their sleeping bags...
and they sleep right in the cathedral.
They never leave.
They are not allowed to leave during the whole program.
And they are just bombarded with brainwashing techniques for about three
days.
And an Adventist pastor was seen by one of his parishioners going into the
cathedral...
to one of these Curcio programs for three days.
He was there taking his own bedding in.
He was there for three days and three nights.
And he was the one assigned to the church that has just now been, I understand,
dissolved.
That took me in and that took you in initially.
So, you see, there is something going on.
This is not just some laissez-faire happenstance thing.
There is a planned program.
Just like there is a planned program for a New World Order.
And later on in this video we want to look at how this has been going on for almost a
hundred years.
A plan for a New World Order and how the various agencies that we have today...
are outworking of original secret agencies that planned this thing.
What do you think Bill Loveless got this time?
I mean, you think he just pulled this stuff out of the air?
That one day he just thought, well, I think that I'll start doing this.
He has been trained in this, Bob.
These guys just don't stumble upon this one day and decide to do this.
This is years of planning.
What is this you've got?
Here's a letter.
Would you like to hear it, John?
This is the letter at the beginning you said.
I hope we have a chance to read this.
It is dynamite.
And if you brought it, I know it's worth hearing.
Read it to us, Bob.
Dear Brother Trefts, after listening...
Now, who is this from?
This is from a girl that became an Adventist...
and went to Columbia Union College and took a class from William Loveless.
And just listen to what she says here.
After listening to the series of tapes of the presentation you gave at this year's
Spring Convocation at Heartland...
I felt utterly compelled to write to you.
I know you don't know who I am, so please allow me to introduce myself,
and I won't give her name.
Last summer at Camp Meeting in West Virginia, I was delivered from Satanic
control by a wonderful outpouring of the Holy Spirit.
I was a Satan worshipper for over seven years between the fall of 1983 and the
beginning of 1991.
My spiritual history, however, goes farther back than that.
In January of 1981, at the age of 16, I experienced a direct encounter with
Jesus Christ and was born again.
This experience was strictly personal between the Lord and I, something like
what happened to Paul along the road to Damascus.
There was no pastor or preacher attempting to lead me to Christ.
No lay Christian had been witnessing to me, either in person or through tracts or
literature.
I was not at that time studying or even merely reading either the Bible or
Christian books.
In fact, Christianity was the farthest thing from my mind.
As a teenager, my life consisted of rock music, parties, drug use, and a life
dedicated to self-service and self-glorification.
I was completely wrapped up in a particular identity I had created for
myself and my own version of Lysergic Transcendentalism, so to speak.
That is, the use of LSD to induce fantastical visionary experiences.
When I encountered Christ, the Spirit of the Lord came upon me and gave me a direct
revelation of the great controversy down to the most subtle aspects of its nature.
I prophesied before the three others who were with me, sharing with them the nature
of the controversy and the subtleties of the enemy.
The next morning, a pamphlet arrived in the mail advertising an evangelistic
series which I and one of my companions, who had witnessed my salvation,
decided to attend.
The pamphlet did not indicate that the location of the meetings was itself a
church, and indeed the building did not really look like one either, but rather
like a small school with a large auditorium.
It was the Wheaton, Maryland, SDA Church.
I was overjoyed to discover slowly, over the next several weeks of meetings,
that I was not the only person in the world who possessed knowledge of these
things.
There actually existed already a body of people who understood what the Lord had
revealed to me.
Until that point in my life, I had never before even heard of Seventh-day
Adventists.
About a month later, I was baptized as one.
In the fall of 1981, eager to progress forward with my education and be trained
to serve the Lord, I began to attend Columbia Union College.
In spite of the worldly lifestyle I had lived before knowing Christ, I was pretty
much a naive kid.
For one thing, I had no idea that the church was being torn apart so deeply by
so many factions and issues.
In the summer of 1981, I had a dream about the shaking in which flaming
three-dimensional letters appeared above a mountain spelling F.O.R.D., by the way.
Fellow church members warned me that C.U .C.
was a little worldly, as they put it, and exhorted me to be careful.
Truth to tell, I had no idea what I would be encountering.
I fully expected to meet up with some who were unconverted, and I fully expected to
meet up with fallible human beings.
But I never expected so many who had absolutely no regard, love, or desire for
the things of God.
I certainly did not expect the same sickening, pecking order of clicks and
pure snobbery I had left behind in high school.
It was a devastating experience, to say the least.
As if seeking sanctuary from the world and its warring ways, I instead stumbled
headlong into the munitions factory itself.
Well, enough of that.
To make a long story short, Brother Trapps, I believe your mention on tape
five of Dr. William Loveless was no accident.
You see, Dr. Loveless was the president of C.U.C.
during the time I attended there between September 1981 and December 1983.
During my first semester there, one of the courses I chose was a religion
elective called Religious Experience.
It was advertised in the bulletin as something that would deepen the private
devotional experience, and I was always hungry for a deeper taste of God's Spirit
in my life.
Well, the class was taught by Dr. Loveless himself, and the textbook turned out to be
The Other Side of Silence by Catholic author Morton Kelsey, who we've talked
about in other videos.
I mean, making no bones about it.
Boy, just right out in the open.
Morton Kelsey is a priest that William Loveless said writes just like Ellen
White.
He claims to have had three spirit guides.
Yes, I bet he did.
He highly regards the spiritual exercises of the Jesuits.
And they're the same spirit guides that Bill Loveless has.
What a shock it was to discover my first night in the class that we were going to
be learning classical meditational techniques, including breathing exercises,
deep relaxation through hypnotic suggestion, and biofeedback, which is part
of hypnosis.
Totally.
Dr. Loveless even had machines with which to measure whether our brainwaves were in
the alpha state or the beta state.
He literally intended to train us to achieve an altered state of consciousness,
in which we would then utilize our imagination to contact God.
And that's a fundamental concept of the spiritual exercises.
That's this false conversion experience that we talked about.
I'm sure you are aware, as I myself am fully now, that this was the central
keynote of all occult practice.
Occultist Dion Fortune, modifying Aleister Crowley's definition of magic,
defines magic as the art and science of causing change of consciousness in
conformity to one's will.
Back in September of 1981, however, I did not know all these things.
All I knew was that the God I had encountered, the one who had saved me,
was real, not imaginary, and that my encounter with Him had actually occurred.
I had not imagined it.
The Holy Spirit put a check inside my soul immediately.
Something here was not kosher.
Why should I have to imagine an encounter with Christ?
Of course, that's what he led the ministers through.
Four hundred of them.
If I was using my imagination to construct a Christ to converse with, was this not
rather having a conversation or praying to an image of my imagination instead of a
real God?
I raised my hand and overtly objected to the entire prospect.
God is real, I told Dr. Loveless.
I want to pray and be answered by the real God.
I don't want to communicate with my imagination.
I want to communicate with the true and living God.
Bless her heart.
Dr. Loveless's only response to me was, well, how do you think we communicate with
God?
It's through our imagination.
He made me feel foolish, quite frankly, as if I was perhaps the only person
present who had not realized this or had been led in on the big secret.
Exactly what my professors in college did to me.
They did exactly the same thing.
That was what was so weird about C.U.C.
in general, come to think of it.
There was so much of this attitude there that people like me who really believed in
a real God and a real devil and a real good and a real evil...
and that will be significant later on in our program here...
were like little idiots who hadn't caught on yet.
That's right.
Frankly, it was totally unnerving.
I did not know quite what to make of all of it.
I was literally overwhelmed.
The massive disregard for God.
The confusing attitudes from people whom I had expected to sort of take the reality
of truth as a given.
I didn't know anything about the occult back then, but I spoke out against this
and many other errors while at C.U.C.
Without the knowledge I have now, I objected to Lovelace's class strictly on
the basis that God was real...
and that communing with a God in one's imagination instead of the real God was
tantamount to idolatry.
That's right.
That is the Jesuit concept of devotion in the spiritual exercises.
It just plain made no sense to me.
I simply could not see how one could accept as God something or someone that
one had created oneself.
Right.
If I had known then what I know now, I would have protested that Lovelace was
teaching the occult plain and simple.
Plain and simple.
But I did not know any better.
So careful was I to steer clear of the danger zone of spiritual pride that my
grasp of truth itself slipped.
But before I slipped and fell, I spoke out against these things.
Many did not understand me.
They did not know why I should become so concerned.
I was accused of everything from being a fanatic to not having an open mind to
being totally unbalanced.
But I knew what was going on was wrong.
And I knew the people there did not all have God just because they were SDAs.
And I was determined to make a difference.
Brother Treffs, my life was never the same after that.
My moorings were loosened because I began to lose the sense of a real God whose
presence in my life was real.
The firm connection I sensed with him in prayer became wavering, unstable,
faint.
I confess that part of me grew very bitter.
Not bitter against God and not bitter in the sense of hatred, but just this
deep-seated wound that would not heal.
I could not seem to break through their barrier of relativism.
Yes.
We talked about that in the last agenda.
And I felt like I was drowning in a hell of utter subjectivity.
Satan used these people to hack away at my foundational conviction of a real,
non-subjective God.
I felt like my life was being invaded, torn apart and stolen from me.
A feeling that was to persist and deepen and worsen torturously over the next two
years until indeed Satan had done just that.
In my despair I made some foolish choices, straying from God and doing stupid things
that I should have known better not to do.
And Satan swiftly took advantage of me.
The evil one took over my life, basically, however unseen at first.
Unaware that my life was being controlled and toyed with by demons and unable to
shake the conviction that I was forever cut off from God, I eventually became the
total prey of the evil one.
He twisted my mind sufficiently as to convince me that he and I were one,
that I belonged with him and that he loved me and would protect me from the horrible
anguish of my soul.
By December of 1983 I had been requested to withdraw from C.U.C.
Brother Trafts, I had long suspected that what happened to me at C.U.C.
was the deliberate malicious plan of Satan to silence my witness.
I was one of the only people who knew and cared enough to speak up against the kinds
of things Dr. Loveless was teaching in that class, not to mention the
relativistic mindset I encountered in some of my other theology classes.
Even among the others there who were sincere and faithful, I was one of the
only ones who felt burdened about these things and recognized the intrinsic
dangers of relativism.
I spoke out against these things and was in turn despised and accused rather
frequently.
Maybe some of the charges were true, maybe I should have tempered my speech
better to avoid being classed as judgmental or fanatic, but I was too
consumed with my sense of mission.
I felt constrained to sound the warning and Satan silenced me.
To be blunt, he took me out, swift and sure.
That's what it all boils down to.
I knew, I saw, and I spoke.
And he perceived the threat and went for the jugular.
He took me out before I could gain enough maturity and wisdom to become truly
effective in what I was attempting to do.
Then he spent years trying to convince me the reason I had fallen away from God was
because I had been such a legalistic fanatic.
Martin Weber.
Have you heard these charges?
Absolutely, that's Martin Weber's books.
These legalistic fanatics, and I used to be a part of this, but God delivered me
from this.
And as I've said before, I believe there's a special place in the Lake of Fire
reserve for Martin Weber and for Helmut Ott and these men that are charging.
And also with George Knight, these men that are trying to convince our faithful
Adventist people that they used to be involved in this legalism, but the Lord
delivered them from it.
And now they're free in Jesus.
Satan saw me as a threat and he put me out, quick and final.
For some time I have been afraid to acknowledge this, afraid it would feed my
ego and send me headlong into overweening spiritual pride.
I can hide from this awareness no longer.
Too many things have happened to our dear precious church for me to overlook the
connections.
I praise God that I am not the only one who sees these things for what they are
and that the Lord can raise up good strong servants to meet this challenge and
crisis.
I so deeply regret that things have gone this far in the church.
In a very real sense I feel personally responsible.
I have suspected there was some reason like this for some time now, but felt
unsure as to either what it was or whether it was valid for me to personalize things
so.
When I heard you speak on tape about Dr. Loveless going to Andrews University to
train the seminary students in the exercises of St. Ignatius Loyola,
my heart leaped within me.
I had the strangest sensation that I had been vindicated.
That's right.
Someone else knows.
Bless her heart.
My heart cried with joy.
Someone else sees.
Bless her heart.
But it's more than that, Brother Travis.
With that simple little portion of your tape, you have been the instrument of the
Lord in setting my mind at rest about what rationale there could possibly be for a
decade of the most singularly intensive suffering a person can endure.
Being demonically controlled and tortured is not fun.
The entire past ten years has seemed so senseless and futile, so filled with
remorse and regret and pain.
Often I've asked the Lord, Why?
Why did I have to go through all of this?
I don't have the full answer now, and I may never understand until he
returns.
But at least now I have a working piece of the puzzle, one designed to put my mind to
rest and reaffirm what I had always suspected, dreamed for in my heart,
hoped for but hardly dared to believe true, that God has chosen me for a
specific purpose and a particular work.
So thank you, Brother Bob Trauss, for the part you have played in all this,
for your tapes, which have been most enlightening.
Thank you for being willing and available that God should have opened your eyes.
One day I hope we may meet, and I may share with you my full story in detail.
Bless her heart.
You know, Bob, in spite of the vile books that Martin Weber, Helmut Ott,
George Knight have written, the terrible apostasy that Don Jacobson and the Oregon
Conference leadership have led our people into with celebration, neuro-linguistic
programming, the small groups, I still believe that the most wicked and
vile man in Adventism is William Lovelace.
I believe that that man has done more to train our leadership in the Jesuit
concepts of Ignatius Loyola, and has led us down the garden path, and he is still
the senior pastor of the Loma Linda University Church, the most prestigious
church in the world, of Seventh-day Advent in the corporate structure.
And you know, it's so interesting that you sent me a copy of the secret instructions
for the Jesuits.
And it was so interesting for me as I was perusing that to see that one of the main
objectives is to place their people in the primary pulpits of the church that they
are infiltrating.
Yes, yes.
But Bob, they're not getting rid of these guys.
These guys are being promoted.
They're putting them in higher positions.
And it seems like the more flagrant they are in going down the road of Jesuitizing
our people, the higher they are promoted in the corporate structure.
It's amazing, isn't it?
Coming back here to Wiley's History of Protestantism, John, on page 394,
Wiley says, What the popes have attempted to do by the plenitude of their power,
namely to make sin to be no sin, the Jesuit doctors have done by their
casuistry.
The first and great commandment in the law, said the same divine person who
proclaimed it from Sinai, is to love the Lord thy God.
The Jesuit casuists have set men free from the obligation to love God.
Escobar collects the different sentiments of the famous divines of the Society of
Jesus upon the question, When is a man obliged to have actually an affection for
God?
The following are some of these.
Suarez says, It is sufficient a man love him before he dies, not assigning any
particular time.
Basquet, that it is sufficient even at the point of death.
Others, when a man receives his baptism.
Others, when he is obliged to be contrite.
Others, upon holidays.
Our father, Connink, believes a man to be obliged once in three or four years,
that is, to love God.
We are not, says Father Sermon, so much condemned to love him as not to
hate him.
Thus do the Jesuit theologians make void the first and great commandment in the
law.
The second commandment in the law is, Thou shalt love thy neighbors thyself.
This second great commandment meets with no more respect at the hands of the
Jesuits than the first.
Their morality dashes both tables of the law in pieces.
Charity to man it makes void equally with the love of God.
The methods by which this may be done are innumerable.
The first of these is termed Probabilism.
Now, what we have to do, John, is look at this tenet of Probabilism for
what it is and ask if we have the same thing in essence today.
This is a device which enables a man to commit any act, be it ever so manifest,
a breach of the moral and divine law, without the least restraint of conscience,
remorse of mind, or guilt before God.
What is Probabilism?
By way of answer, we shall suppose that a man has a great mind to do a certain act
of the lawfulness of which he is in doubt.
He finds that there are two opinions upon the point, the one probably true to the
effect that the act is lawful, the other more probably true to the effect
that the act is sinful.
Under the Jesuit regimen, the man is at liberty to act upon the probable opinion.
That is, you're wondering about whether you should do something.
It's probably lawful to do it, but it's more probably not lawful.
In other words, it really looks like it's opposed to the law of God.
But if you can build a case that it probably is lawful, then, according to
this canon of thought, then you can act upon the probable opinion.
The act is probably right, but more probably wrong.
Nevertheless, he is safe in doing it in virtue of the doctrine of probabilism.
It is important to ask, what makes an opinion probable?
To make an opinion probable, a Jesuit finds easy indeed.
If a single doctor has pronounced in its favor, though a score of doctors may have
condemned it, or if a man can imagine in his own mind something like a tolerable
reason for doing the act, the opinion that it is lawful becomes probable.
It would be hard to name an act for which a Jesuit authority may not be produced,
and harder still to find a man whose invention is so poor as not to furnish him
with what he deems a good reason for doing what he is inclined to, and therefore it
may be pronounced impossible to instance a deed, however manifestly opposed to the
light of nature and the law of God, which may not be committed under the
shield of the monstrous dogma of probabilism.
Now, is there anything today in the field of ethics that functions that way?
I was just going to ask you, Bob, is this relating to a situation...
situation ethics?
Well, that I had to where there was some new thing being done in the corporate
structure and I said, you know, the people who were promoting it kept
saying, what's wrong with it?
I said, no, you're coming at it from the wrong way.
What's right about it?
Instead of trying to make me prove that there's something wrong with it,
you show me what is right about it.
It's kind of like the secret rapture doctrine.
The people come in and they say, well, disprove it from the Bible.
I say, no, you've got this backwards.
You prove it from the Bible instead of trying to force me to disprove it from the
Bible.
I see this as more of a situation ethics type of thing where you are...
Did you ever get confronted with this in college?
Situation ethics?
Yes.
For instance, we had prominent pastors that came up from New York City who are
now very prominent in the church.
When I was in college and they taught us from the pulpit that you needed to find
out what the loving thing to do was.
Oh yes.
Rather than judging it from whether it was right or wrong, what is the loving thing
to do?
And the pastor, the good old time pastor there at Atlantic Union College,
he was so upset.
He was beside himself and he preached ten sermons on the law of God, taking one
commandment each Sabbath to show the validity of the law of God and that we had
to judge based on whether something was right or wrong rather than on whether it
was just the loving thing to do.
And so to me it seems like situation ethics is something very similar to this.
If you think that it's a loving thing to do, then it makes it right and probably
good for you to do it.
Whereas it's really more probably wrong according to the law of God.
You can justify it on the basis that it's a loving thing to do.
You see Bob, when you start going down this road, absolutes cease to exist.
Everything is just a big gray area and the absolutes of right and wrong are gone.
You see with me Bob, it's right or wrong, there's no gray area.
It's either black or white, right or wrong.
I find that when I get immersed in this new theology that suddenly everything,
all definitions just kind of blend together and everything just becomes a big
gray wash.
Yeah, and that's what this does.
It is allowable, says one of these doctors, to follow the less probable
opinion even though it be the less safe one.
That is the common judgment of modern authors.
Of true contrary opinions, says Paul Lehman, touching the legality or
illegality of any human action, everyone may follow in practice or in
action that which he should prefer, although it may appear to the agent
himself less probable in theory.
It is and it is not, is the motto of this theology.
It is the true lesbian rule which shapes itself according to that which we wish to
measure by it.
Shapes itself by that to which we wish to measure by it.
Would we have any action to be sinful?
The Jesuit moralist turns this side of the code to us.
Would we have it to be lawful?
He turns the other side.
So they can be all things to all men.
To the conservatives they can be this, to the liberals they can be that.
That's what they do in the Adventist Review.
They toss the conservatives a bone every few months with an article that the
conservatives love, but then they go along with the liberals for most of the time but
if the conservatives really start causing a stink, well then they'll toss them a
bone with another conservative article in the Adventist Review.
And they try to be everything to the conservatives and the liberals.
They try to keep everybody happy.
You can't do that!
And the choice of wording is chosen in such a way that it can appeal to both
sides of the question.
And this is what's happening more and more in our statements of fundamental belief so
that it will seem to be judged right from a liberal perspective or from a
conservative perspective.
Right and wrong are put thus in our own power.
We can make the same action a sin or a duty as we please or as we deem it
expedient.
To steal the property, slander the character, violate the chastity,
or spill the blood of a fellow creature is most probably wrong, but let us imagine
some good to be got by it, and it is probably right.
The Jesuit writers, for the sake of those who are dull of understanding and slow to
apprehend the freedom they bring them, have gone into particulars and compiled
lists of actions esteemed sinful, unnatural, and abominable by the moral
sense of all nations hitherto, but which in virtue of this new morality
are no longer so, and they have explained how these actions may be safely done with
a minuteness of detail and a luxuriance of illustration in which it were tedious in
some cases and modest in others to follow them.
One would think that this was licensed enough.
What more can the Jesuit need, or what more can he possibly have,
seeing by a little effort of invention he can over leap every human and divine
barrier and commit the most horrible crimes on the mightiest possible scale and
neither feel remorse of conscience nor fear of punishment.
But this unbounded liberty of wickedness did not content the sons of Loyola.
They panted for a liberty of possible yet more boundless.
They wished to be released from the easy condition of imagining some good end for
the wickedness they wished to perpetrate, and to be free to sin without the trouble
of assigning even to themselves any end at all.
This they have accomplished by the method of directing the intention.
This is a new ethical science unknown to those ages which were not privileged to
bask in the illuminating rays of the society of Jesus, and it is as simple as
convenient.
It is the soul, they argue, that does the act so far as it is moral or immoral.
As regards the body's share in it, neither virtue nor vice can be predicated
of it.
If, therefore, while the hand is shedding blood, or the tongue is calumniating
character, or uttering a falsehood, the soul can so abstract itself from what
the body is doing as to occupy itself the while with some holy theme or fix its
meditation upon some benefit or advantage likely to arise from the deed which it
knows or at least suspects the body is at that moment engaged in doing.
The soul contracts neither guilt nor stain and the man runs no risk of ever being
called to account for the murder or theft or calumny by God or of incurring his
displeasure on that ground.
So here is the next tenet, the directing of the intention.
In other words, if you have a good motive, you can do an evil deed.
And I think that also fits this idea of the loving thing to do.
If you have a good motive, you can violate the law of God.
That is likewise part of this system of situation ethics, it appears to me.
It's interesting that the hippie movement was preceded by groups such as the
Situationist International in France, which were precursors of the hippie
movement.
And when we see the same principle being woven throughout human life, it makes us
wonder, where is this all coming from?
But when the person is not of such a wretched disposition as this, we try to
put in practice our method of directing the intention, which simply consists in
his proposing to himself as the end of his actions some allowable object.
It's another variation on the end justifies the means, isn't it?
Not that we do not endeavor as far as we can to dissuade men from doing things
forbidden, but when we cannot prevent the action we at least purify the motive and
thus correct the viciousness of the means by the goodness of the end.
Such is the way in which our fathers of the society have contrived to permit those
acts of violence to which men usually resort in vindication of their honor.
They have no more to do than to turn off the intention from the desire of
vengeance, which is criminal, and to direct it to a desire to defend their
honor, which according to us is quite warrantable.
And in this way our doctors discharge all their duty towards God and towards man.
By permitting the action they gratify the world and by purifying the intention they
give satisfaction to the gospel.
So what it does is it destroys the clarity of right and wrong and having the heart in
submission to the principles of right and wrong and the definition that God gives of
right and wrong in the Bible.
So there are three great rules of the code of the Jesuits, Wiley says.
Number one, that the end justifies the means.
We know that.
Number two, that it is safe to do any action if it be probably right,
although it may be more probably wrong.
We know that.
And three, that if one know to direct the intention of right, there is no deed be
its moral character what it may which one may not do may seem to give a license of
acting so immense that to add there to were an altogether superfluous and indeed
an impossible task.
So it's the directing of of the intention is the third one.
Now I want to just give a little more description here from Wiley as to what
happens when the Jesuits have taken over in countries.
Wherever the Jesuits have planted missions, open seminaries, and established
colleges, they have been careful to inculcate these principles in the minds of
the youth.
Thus sowing the seeds of future tumults, revolutions, regicides, or killing of
kings, and wars.
How many assassins they sent to England to murder Elizabeth, history attests.
The very sanctuary of their own popes they have defiled with blood.
In the gun powder plot that's in England, we see them deliberately planning to
destroy at one blow the nobility and gentry of England.
To them we owe those civil wars, which for so many years drenched with
blood the fair provinces of France.
That's the war between the Huguenots and the Catholics.
They laid the train of that crowning horror, the St. Bartholomew massacre.
Philip II and the Jesuits share between them the guilt of the invincible armada,
which instead of inflicting the measureless ruin and havoc which its
authors intended by a most merciful providence, became the means of exhausting
the treasures and overthrowing the prestige of Spain.
What a harvest of plots, tumults, seditions, revolutions, torturings,
poisonings, assassinations, regicides and massacres that Christendom reaped from the
seeds sown by the Jesuits.
Nor can we be sure that we have yet seen the last and greatest of their crimes.
And then he takes up the doctrine of mental reservation.
And that is that they can say anything or do anything as long as they hold a mental
reservation.
And while they're saying it, that I didn't say this on such and such a day,
or that type of thing.
The concept of mental reservation.
The still darker side of the Jesuits acts in that it changes all that is noble into
all that is vile.
Theirs is an accursed alchemy by which they transmute good into evil and virtue
into vice.
There is no destructive agency with which the world is liable to be visited that
penetrates so deep or inflicts so remedy-less a ruin as the morality of the
Jesuits.
The havoc the Jesuit inflicts is irredeemable.
It has nothing in it counteractive or restorative.
It is only evil.
It is not upon the works of man or the institutions of man merely that it puts
forth its fearfully destructive power.
It is upon man himself.
It is not the body of man that it strikes like the pestilence.
It is the soul.
It is not a part but the whole of man that it consigns to corruption and ruin.
And I think this letter that we read gives us a little description of what happened
in one life for ten years.
Years of satanic control.
Conscience it destroys.
Knowledge it extinguishes.
The very power of discerning between right and wrong it takes away and shuts up the
man in a prison whence no created agency or influence can set him free.
The fall defaced the image of God in which man was made.
We say defaced.
It did not totally obliterate or extinguish it.
Jesuitism, more terrible than the fall, totally effaces from the soul of man the
image of God.
Of the knowledge, righteousness and true holiness in which man was made it leaves
not a trace.
It plucks up by its very roots the moral constitution which God gave man.
The full triumph of Jesuitism would leave nothing spiritual, nothing moral,
nothing intellectual, nothing strictly and properly human existing on the earth.
And this is why nation after nation has expelled the Jesuits over and over again.
Man it would change into the animal, impelled by nothing but appetites and
passions and these more fierce and cruel than those of the tiger.
Society would become simply a herd of wolves lawless, ravenous, greedy of each
other's blood and perpetually in quest of prey.
Even Jesuitism itself would perish, devoured by its own progeny.
Our earth at last would be simply a vast sepulcher, moving around the sun in its
annual circuit, its bosom as joyless, dreary and waste as are those silent
spaces through which it rolls.
So, just to conclude, John, a little bit here about what we've been saying.
The Jesuit is trained to have a very tactful approach, to be very courteous,
to have a very humble and submissive department, to pay frequent visits to the
hospital.
And their specialty, above all else, is the instruction of youth.
Education.
Yes, indoctrinate the youth.
And so, with that thought in mind, you know, people think and talk about the
Jesuits, but what will they find?
They'll find a very courteous, very tactful, very engaging, lovable,
submissive, humble-appearing individual.
Teddy bear.
But the impact of Jesuitism has to be judged based on what happens in the human
mind and the human heart.
Because in the 20th century now, in America, their forte has been the field
of education, more than the kind of violent dealings that the Jesuits had in
the 16th century.
Now, we've looked at some of this, John, because of the significance of
having a president who has been trained by the Jesuits.
Well, Bob, I know that you have built a good spiritual base here from this book,
The History of Protestantism, but there's so many...
I'm looking at all these volumes, all these books that you have on three,
four tables here.
We're already halfway through this videotape.
We've got a lot of ground to cover.
I see you've got a book on President Clinton there.
How does he enter into all this?
Okay, Bill Clinton went to Georgetown University.
We've mentioned that.
Georgetown is considered to be, by the Jesuits, the mother of all Jesuit
schools.
I'll just bring you something here from this biography, Bill Clinton, The Inside
Story, page 39.
Early in the fall, Bill drove with Virginia to Georgetown to register for his
freshman year.
Edith Irons recalled that his first days at Georgetown required a bit of adjusting.
Now, he was a Southern Baptist going to a Jesuit school.
Bill and his mother went to Georgetown for his orientation.
A Jesuit priest had shown them around the school, and they came back to his office.
He said, What foreign languages do you speak?
Bill answered, None, sir.
The priest exclaimed, What in the name of the Holy Father is a Southern Baptist who
can't speak a foreign language doing in the mother of all Jesuit schools?
So that's what they consider it.
Well, I plan on being the president of the United States in 1990.
Bill went on to become president of almost everything at Georgetown.
Isn't that something?
He was a very engaging individual.
He helped students.
He helped cripples that came to school.
He showed them around, showed them where things were, blind people.
And he went on to really make his mark there at Georgetown.
And then he went as a Rhodes Scholar to study over in England.
Now, what does it mean to be a Rhodes Scholar?
To explain that, we need to come down to our more recent time when Bill Clinton
made his acceptance speech at the Democratic Convention.
He said at Madison Square Garden at the acceptance speech, "...as the scripture
says, our eyes have not yet seen, nor our ears heard, nor our minds
imagined, what we can build.
We can do it.
As a teenager, I heard John Kennedy's summons to citizenship.
And then, as a student at Georgetown, I heard that call clarified by a professor
named Carol Quigley." Now, Tex Mars, in his Flashpoint newsletter, has a couple
of issues dealing with Bill Clinton and the Bilderberger conspiracy.
The Bilderbergers, by June of 1991, had met in Baden-Baden, Germany,
and they had invited Bill Clinton over to their meeting, and they had endorsed him
to be their candidate for the next President of the United States.
And we've discussed the Bilderbergers in past videos.
They're one of the most prominent groups pushing for a new world order.
And who is this Carol Quigley?
Carol Quigley.
I got his book entitled, Tragedy and Hope, to get an idea of what this mentor,
this spiritual mentor, of Bill Clinton taught and what he thought.
This was written in 1966, Tragedy and Hope, a History of the World in Our Time
by Carol Quigley.
It's thirteen hundred pages long.
And Carol Quigley tells in here how he had access to the secret records of the secret
groups that are pushing for a new world order.
On page 950.
He says, There does exist, and has existed for a generation, an international
anglophile network which operates, to some extent, in the way the radical
right believes the Communist Act.
In fact, this network, which we may identify as the Round Table Groups,
has no aversion to cooperating with the Communists or any other groups,
and frequently does so.
I know of the operations of this network because I have studied it for twenty
years, and was permitted for two years in the early 1960s to examine its papers and
secret records.
I have no aversion to it, or to most of its aims, and have for much of my life
been close to it, and to many of its instruments.
So here is a secret organization, and these Round Table Groups are pushing
for a New World Order.
In fact, in our area here of North America, the United States of America,
it was the Round Table Groups, also called the Milner Group, which
founded the Council on Foreign Relations.
And see, we discussed that one or two videos back in the Jesuit Agendas,
and the role that they are playing for the New World Order.
I want to bring another quote out here about the financial world, because Bill
Clinton came into the Presidency on a wave of concern about the economy.
And when he became President-elect, the President of Georgetown University
promised and pledged the full cooperation of Georgetown with him in his Presidency,
and we understand that Bill Clinton reciprocated in a speech in promising his
cooperation with Georgetown.
So here you have the most powerful center of Jesuit influence in North America,
which has not only trained Bill Clinton, but produced his mentor who trained him in
the way he would perceive the world and its views, and which has now pledged its
full and complete cooperation with him in his Presidency.
A President that is linked up inextricably with the Jesuit order.
This is a rather mind-boggling idea, and that's why we wanted to go through
some of the classical understanding of the Jesuits, and what their aims and goals and
purposes are.
Page 324 in Tragedy and Hope.
In addition to these pragmatic goals, the powers of financial capitalism had
another far-reaching aim.
Nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands,
able to dominate the political system of each country, and the economy of the world
as a whole.
Now we talked a little bit about this in, I think it was, Jesuit Agenda 2.
So here is a financial system that wants to dominate the political system of each
country and the economy of the world as a whole.
This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of
the world, acting in concert by secret agreements arrived at in frequent private
meetings and conferences.
In a magazine that was sent to me, another quote out of this book appears,
and the page number wasn't given, and I haven't been able to locate it yet,
but I'd like to read this quote.
The individual's freedom and choice will be controlled within very narrow
alternatives, looking forward to the future in America.
The individual's freedom and choice will be controlled within very narrow
alternatives by the fact that he will be numbered from birth and followed as a
number through his educational training, his required military or other public
service, his tax contributions, his health and medical requirements,
and his final retirement and death benefits.
Very, very interesting about the continually restricting range of choices
that people are having in America due to the manipulation of economic matters.
Carol Quigley also wrote this book, The Anglo-American Establishment,
where he tells about the founding of this roundtable group.
It was founded by a man named Cecil Rhodes, and you've heard of Rhodesia.
It's now Zimbabwe.
I taught there in Rhodesia.
And Cecil Rhodes was the one who, he was a mason, and he founded the
original what Quigley calls the roundtable groups, or the Milner group, which in turn
spawned regional groups around the world, including the Council of Foreign
Relations.
So, apparently Quigley, as far as we can determine, and Tex Myers certainly takes
this position, Quigley, as the mentor of Bill Clinton, introduced him into the
international community that has been pushing for a new world order.
He was endorsed at Baden-Baden, and he has, Clinton has received his world
perspective, and it's a very comprehensive world perspective in this Tragedy and Hope
book, dealing with everything from the young people's dating patterns,
to all types of social dimensions, and political dimensions, and economic
dimensions.
It is a very comprehensive world view perspective, from the perspective of
Catholicism.
And even though Bill Clinton is a Southern Baptist, or claims to be a Southern
Baptist, he has received his educational training at the hands of the Jesuits.
Sounds very, very plausible.
Tell us about the Kulakow file.
What did you find out about that, Bob?
Okay, John, to introduce the Kulakow file, I have a book here, The Fragrance of
Oppression, The Church and Its Persecutors.
This is the story of the experience of the church under communist domination.
In this book, there is a chapter on totalitarian control of the church
structure.
And it gives us an insight into the way the totalitarian systems of communism
related to the church.
The totalitarian regime often concludes that the challenges presented by the
presence of Christianity can be better handled by other means than violence.
Taking active measures, to use the typical euphemistic language, carries with it the
disadvantages associated with creating martyrdom and resistance at home and
diplomatic defeats abroad.
So they found that it was counterproductive to be too violent with
the church, and they wanted to control it through other means.
Usually, the regime prefers to attain its ends by softer means, by controlling the
churches and minimizing the damage that might come from Christian challenges to
its legitimacy.
Or even better, by turning the churches into tools usable for the consolidation
and expansion of state power.
So what they wanted to do was infiltrate the churches and turn them into a tool
that the state could then use.
And this is a very interesting concept because in Russia, this is exactly what
they did.
And this is what the KGB files that were opened up, which we disclosed some about
last time on Jesuit Agenda 3, shows us that they controlled the elections,
they controlled various aspects of the operation of the church.
Now there's been a lot of talk about Kulakov, and there's been a real
propaganda blitz by the General Conference structure to try to vindicate him.
Union papers in the Adventist Review, in sermons by Bob Falkenberg around the
country and around the world, trying to discredit what we have found and what we
have come out with.
Well, just in summary, John, this matter of Kulakov was a major issue in Russia.
And the Kulakov file materials start about 1978, and are a series of letters and
notations by General Conference men as they were trying to come to grips with the
phenomenon of Kulakov and his rise to power in Russia.
And to just give it in a nutshell, there was tremendous consternation in
Russia, because Kulakov appeared on the scene, he was working hand-in-glove with
the state authorities, with the atheistic authorities.
He would come into an area, and he would split the church, he would take
dissenters, or people who had been disfellowshipped, and form a new
congregation, and then go to the authorities and have that recognized as
being the registered church.
And the main church body, which did not want to accept his ideas about sending
children to school on Sabbath, who wanted to remain faithful Seventh-day
Adventists, were left out in the cold as being unregistered and illegal.
That sounds like what Phil Dunham did in Oregon.
It's the same kind of tactics.
And we find that in some cases, thousands of Russians appealed to the
General Conference for help in dealing with Kulakov.
They sent letter after letter, and at first, the General Conference men
were quite upset with Kulakov for wanting to send the children to school on Sabbath.
They could not see light in what he was proposing.
But as we know, the sad story is that eventually, Kulakov gained power and took
over.
I'd like to just read a letter or two.
Would you be interested in?
And this is from pages 66 and 67 in this book, The Kulakov File.
Now, what are you making this Kulakov file available for to your supporters?
For a gift of $10.
Okay.
I tell you, I'd like to have the Kulakov file.
I'd like to have this letter that you read from this girl about Bill Loveless.
I'd like to have these different things.
I'd like to put them all together in the documentation pack for our people at the
end of this video.
So they can just get the documentation pack and get all this stuff in it.
Sure.
To the Special Committee of Seven in the RSFSR from the Seventh-day Adventist
Church in Rostov-on-Don.
Dear brothers, having been for a long period of time in trouble, in a struggle
which was directed against our church by the authorities, we can't stand it any
longer.
During the last year, we re-elected the church elder three times by command of the
authorities.
The same thing happened with the church committee, an auditing commission.
Finally, the church committee was liquidated, and that one was dissolved
also.
Our church building was closed.
First, we prayed to God, and second went to the authorities.
The cause of this struggle is the taking of part of our members by the Tula field.
Now, some of the wording is bad translation.
Remember, some of this is translated into English, so I'm going to read it just as
it is.
This is why we ask you who are responsible for reconciliation in the RSFSR to help
us.
At the present time we are in a situation like Judah in the days of Abijah.
And when Judah looked back, behold, the battle was before and behind,
and they cried unto the Lord, and the priests sounded with the trumpets.
2 Chronicles 13, 14.
We had to sound the alarm.
We lived through a time like in the days of Jeroboam and Rehoboam, yet Jeroboam,
the son of Nebat, rebelled against his lord, and there are gathered unto him vain
men, and have strengthened themselves against Rehoboam.
Have ye not lost, that's the way it reads, out the priests of the Lord?
This is the picture of Kulakov and his supporters, their actions in the RSFSR and
especially in the south, creating with the help of police and authorities churches in
towns where a church had long been established.
He sends his workers in to destroy our brotherhood, which was established long
ago.
There is much lying, violence, intimidation from Kulakov's ministers.
There are many facts, but we write about one.
A minister by the name of Osadchuk, who had left church work, was ordained by
Kulakov in the city of Sochi.
Now he is going from house to house to the members in Rostov-on-Don, telling lies
like that our pastor is against the authorities and their discipline.
He agitates members and promises them high positions if they will join his church,
but those who refuse to join him will be persecuted.
Such actions were also tried in the city of Aksai, but failed.
In Rostov-on-Don, Kulakov and his helpers found three disfellowshipped members from
our church, six members who refused to join our church, five members from Aksai
church, and two disfellowshipped from the city of Vataisk, and one from the city of
Tula, which is a thousand miles from our city, and two from the city of Taganroy,
and one from the city of Kursk.
They asked the authorities to give them permission to be the council for the
church in Rostov-on-Don, but they are not members of our church.
It is a blatant case of violence and disorder in our country when members come
to the church, not by vote of other members, but by order of the authorities.
So these 20 persons, backed by the authorities, drove out the 146 members
from our church building, and they became the registered church for this city,
and 146 members became illegal organization.
We remember the story of the Levite in Judges 19-30.
Here we write this document, Judges 27.
To create in Rostov-on-Don a new church, Kulikov sent a new worker, Gerasimov.
It is high time, dear brother, to proclaim that people should not go to
Kulikov, but he, with the help of police, divides churches not only in
Rostov-on-Don.
It is not the work of God.
During the meeting in Moscow on August 20, 1978, Pearson and Lone said that to create
new churches where a church already is, is not according to the Adventist plan.
It is the devil's work.
True workers would not do such things.
We ask you, brothers, to pay attention to our situation.
That's just one letter, and there's letter after letter of people desperate,
from page 26 of the Kulikov file.
Many of our congregations are making efforts to become registered, but the
authorities refuse.
The reason is that the atheists cannot put their own people in each church,
because the loyal Christians did not agree to this.
Therefore, the atheists refuse to register them.
Kulikov and Parisey agreed to the conditions of the atheists, so they
received recognition.
Kulikov is causing confusion and disorder among the churches, and causing the
division to become wider than ever.
The atheists are happy for the trouble he is causing in the churches.
One day the ministers met together and presented Kulikov with evidence that he is
guilty of serious negligence in the performance of his duties as a minister.
He promised that he would do his best to separate himself from the atheists,
but said he must consult with them before he could do it.
He went and talked with them, but they refused him.
The atheists told Kulikov to continue with his work.
He is continuing, like Balaam, his work against the churches.
Isn't that something?
From page 36 of this book, another letter.
I ask Brother Panisac why the other side, that is the faithful Seventh-day
Adventists who are resisting Kulikov, is so fearful regarding Elder Pearson's
visits.
The Elder Pearson, as G.C.
President at that time, was coming over to Russia.
He answered that they fear the General Conference will appear to support the
Kulikov group so much that the authorities can go ahead and create difficulties for
the fanatics, and nobody will care.
They believe the authorities are planning to increase persecution of dissidents,
and the other side will be considered dissidents if the General Conference
appears to side with the Kulikov group.
So it was a major, massive struggle going on, with churches being split up,
and Kulikov working hand-in-glove with the authorities, which corroborates and
corresponds with the material that we showed in Jesuit Agenda 3 regarding the
agent Svetlov, who was elected to be the senior minister.
And incidentally, in these letters, that term, senior minister, is applied to
Kulikov again, and again, and again.
I had a very high opinion of Robert H.
Pearson.
I hope you don't burst my bubble, but where was Robert H.
Pearson in all this, Bob?
Well, he was trying to come to grips with it in the early stages.
And really, it seems to me that Neil Wilson was more the one that moved in and
solidly supported...
I believe that's obvious with everybody, that Neil Wilson was the one that
orchestrated all of this.
From page 59 of the book, To some extent, people in our country, such as Kulikov,
Parisei, and Zucaluk, so-called preachers in the Seventh-day Adventist churches are
carrying out work in favor of atheism in the churches, covering themselves under
your name.
Lately, with the help of Parisei and Kulikov, the atheists are cunningly and by
force trying to further the purposes of atheism and hinder the work of God in the
districts and provinces.
At the same time, the atheists are planting their own people in every church.
Dear brother, they are trying to accomplish as much as they can before your
arrival.
The atheists plan to make use of your visit and prestige to back their plans,
for example, Kulikov, Parisei, and others.
They want your blessings so that they can achieve their aims.
But these persons have lost their prestige in the churches and hope to make use of
your visit to restore it.
This is why the government again permitted Kulikov to travel to Washington to see you
on April 4, 1978, in order that he might complete the arrangements.
It just gives us a real picture of what was going on behind the scenes.
I have here a letter, John, from Richard Wurmbrand.
Do you know who he is?
I've heard the name, yes.
Would you be interested in hearing that?
Sure.
It's written to the General Conference and it talks about Kulikov.
This was written about 12 years ago.
He's not a Seventh-day Adventist, right?
Not a Seventh-day Adventist.
He was a Jewish Christian pastor.
Persecuted for his faith.
Persecuted for his faith, who ran a mission of assisting persecuted Christians
in communist countries.
And he's writing to the General Conference here.
He says, Dear Brother, your article about depression was highly appreciated.
I am a Jewish Christian pastor who have been persecuted since childhood for being
a Jew.
Almost our entire family perished in the Holocaust.
After I became a Christian and a pastor, I was in Nazi prisons and then in
communist jails for 14 years.
Now in America I lead a mission which helps the Christians persecuted in
communist countries.
Every day I read reports about Christians who are imprisoned, tortured, and killed
there.
This is before Glasnost and Perestroika.
This does not depress me, but what weighs upon me is the unloving attitude of
American Christians toward their persecuted brethren.
Your magazine is an example of this.
In your article about Russia, you find similarity between Marx and God's
promises.
How can one be a Christian teacher if he does not distinguish between what one says
and what one does?
I send you my book, Was Karl Marx a Satanist?, with plenty of quotations from
Marx.
He says verbatimly that he wishes to ruin the world.
To success in this and to catch naives, they speak about beautiful plans for the
world.
Are you not aware that the language of criminal seduction and that of love are
the same?
If I wish a girl for one night to throw her away afterwards like a dirty rag,
I will tell her I love you.
I will say the same if I wish a girl for honest marriage.
Before finding similarity between Marxism and God's promises, you should have
studied Marx and Lenin.
The latter wrote in a letter to Gorky, thousands of natural catastrophes and
epidemics are preferable to the slightest notion of God.
Thus cancer is preferable to faith.
This is the major difference between us and Marxists, love toward God and hatred
toward him.
Now, I'm going to drop down here to where we get closer to where he talks about
Ellen White.
I sent to Brother Hegstead of your Department of Religious Liberty a bunch of
material about Adventists in prison for their faith in Russia.
Where was the liberty for the Adventist preacher Shelkov, who died in jail after
24 years of detention?
The same for many others of the underground and of the officials Adventist
Church.
It is simply a lie that the Adventist Church lost its organization prior to
World War II because of internal problems, as you assert.
Did you not read the Gulag Archipelago?
That was by Solzhenitsyn.
It is not permissible to write about Adventism without having read Ellen White.
It is not permissible to write about Russia without having read Solzhenitsyn.
Don't you know that Stalin killed millions of Orthodox Protestants, Adventists,
and Jews, and that he destroyed church buildings?
Where are the buildings the Adventist Church has owned before?
The Adventist Church in Moscow must gather now with the Baptists in a building which
belonged formerly to the Reformed Church.
Its pastor and all the congregation simply disappeared under Stalin's terror.
You praise the Russian Adventist leader, Kulikov, for urging cooperation with the
government authorities.
This was 12 years ago now.
These are Marxists.
Marx wrote in the Communist Manifesto that his aim is to abolish all religion and
morals.
At what can Christians cooperate with them?
It was not the endeavors of Kulikov which sparked the reunification of your church.
It was the fact that the KGB put in jail every Adventist who dared to say we do not
collaborate with God-hating Communists.
On which side would Ellen White, the author of the Great Controversy,
have been?
It is a shame that your General Conference supports the Russian Adventist preachers
who have become stooges of Communists.
The founder of Adventism, Ellen White, sided with Christians who worked
underground against the papacy.
And then he tells some very interesting things.
The story of betrayal of Adventists by its leadership is old.
I remember the German Adventist leadership shouting Heil Hitler.
The General Conference collaborated with them while true Adventists filled jails
under Hitler.
And some of them were beheaded.
I attended an Adventist Congress in Romania in which the dictator King Charles
II was praised.
Many Adventists were in jail at that time.
The Adventist leadership of Romania today also praises the Communist government.
I was at the same time in jail with many Adventist official and underground beaten
to the blood because they refused to work on Saturdays.
In jail they ate almost nothing, fearing there might be some pork in the
food.
In times when we got one slice of bread a day, they gave tithe.
They renounced to this bit of bread in favor of somebody who was older,
sick, or weaker.
Wherever you are, you are meant to seek Jesus.
Jesus has given his address in Russia.
I was in jail and you visited me not.
Ellen White prophesied that there will be a great persecution of Sabbath keepers in
the USA.
Suppose this will happen.
Will you be on the side of the Adventists, loyal to their faith, who will worship
underground, or will you collaborate with the persecutors as your kin does in
Russia?
John, I'd like to discuss another dimension of what is happening in
Adventism today.
We're finding a whole new language being introduced into Adventism.
Have you noticed that?
New term, new phraseology, new... yes.
And this is very significant because philosophers in recent recent years have
felt that the use of language is one of the key things to understanding what a
person's philosophy really is.
And Nietzsche, a philosopher we're going to be talking about in a moment,
said that the acceptance of his philosophy would come through the use of the terms.
Well, you've mentioned that in other parts of Jesuit agenda.
For instance, we've talked about celebration, that's old hat, but we've
talked about genesis and everything having...
everything having the word genesis in it and how these terms are being used to
indoctrinate our people into a whole new scope.
Way of thinking.
A whole new world view.
And this is well recognized in the field of philosophy.
Incidentally, the Jesuits consider philosophy to be one of their main weapons
that they use.
And it's something that we haven't given a whole lot of attention to in Adventist
education.
We have not said much or thought much about philosophy, but in other circles in
the world, such as in Jesuit education, philosophy is at the top of the curriculum
and considered to be very important for bringing about this intellectual
conversion.
And so these terms like caring, we mentioned the caring church,
values, self-esteem...
You hearing much about self-esteem?
Now self-esteem, Ellen White said, is a poisonous weed.
It is something that has to be completely uprooted.
And it cannot exist in the heart of the person who has seen Calvary's cross.
Self-esteem is absolutely devastating and antithetical, the opposite of real
Christianity.
She says, it cannot flourish in hearts that remember the scenes of Calvary in 2nd
Testimonies 2-12.
Christ puts to shame self-esteem, Gospel Workers 330.
It feels no need of union with Christ, Christ Object Lessons 162.
It must be overcome, 2T301.
Self-esteem is not compatible with the Spirit, 5T410.
You will hate self-esteem when beholding Christ, 1 S.M.
388.
So self-esteem is exactly the opposite of the everlasting gospel.
And yet it's coming through our our papers, our periodicals, it's in the
workshops.
Self-help, pull yourself up by your own bootstraps.
And so the question once again is, where did all of this come from?
Caring, values, and values are a big thing.
In the world we have value clarification classes in education.
Values is a big term along with caring.
And the idea about values came from Friedrich Nietzsche.
And I have a couple of his books here.
Beyond Good and Evil, Prelude to a Philosophy of the Future, and The Will to
Power.
Now Nietzsche was born in 1844 interestingly, and died in 1900.
And Nietzsche taught that we have reached the point now where we are beyond good and
evil.
Beyond absolutes of good and evil, and the person has to set up their own
values.
Now this is what the serpent said to Eve in the Garden of Eden in Genesis chapter
3.
Ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
In other words, you will set up your own norm for what is good and evil.
And this is what Nietzsche taught.
And then because the sovereignty of God is destroyed by this whole system,
and Nietzsche was the one who said God is dead.
And what he meant by that is that God isn't hearing anymore, he's not
interacting with human life anymore, and for all practical purposes he is dead.
Nietzsche was one of these occult philosophers.
And so since God is dead, and his sovereignty is gone, therefore the will to
power is what man needs.
And he taught the concept of Superman.
Now we have had the children in America raised on Superman type programs now for
decades.
Where did that idea of Superman come from?
But Nietzsche was the one who talked about Superman.
And the idea that some people are born to be superior, they are to be the Superman,
and they are to control the others.
Well, it just so happens that in Germany, in the days just before Hitler took over,
we had the hippie experience among the German youth.
We've talked about that in previous Jesuit agendas.
And these hippies, they were called the birds of passage.
They were the wandervogel.
They dressed up in colorful garb.
They were middle class kids.
And they wandered all over Germany.
And they would go into the woods and build a campfire and they'd sit around reading
Nietzsche.
Nietzsche was the big philosopher that was shaping their thinking and their mind.
Hitler valued Nietzsche so much that he sent the complete works of Nietzsche to
Mussolini as a gift.
And so Hitler read Nietzsche and had drunken in his philosophy.
And this concept of the will to power was very fundamental to Hitler.
He wanted to have the dominant will.
And he even produced a tremendous film of Nazi propaganda, The Triumph of the Will.
And he stressed this matter of the will and the super race.
Instead of Superman it was the super race, the Aryan race that would dominate the
rest of the world.
Likewise in communism we have Trotsky in the revolution talking about the super
human being that would be created by the communist system of social engineering.
They would produce a superior super human being.
And so both communism and Nazism have a common root in Nietzsche.
One went left and one went right.
Communists went to the left and the Nazis went to the right.
But notice both of them were socialistic programs because Nazism is short for
national socialism.
They were both socialism.
And in the Weimar Republic which was present in Germany after World War I,
between World War I and the takeover of the Nazis the whole society became very
amoral.
Much of the German society became amoral.
Plays that they wouldn't even show that were so vile they would not show in Paris,
in France.
They showed in Berlin.
And so the whole society was pushed hard to the left wing.
And then with Hitler it went hard to the right.
Now we are seeing a same type of thing developing in America now.
Left wing movements and right wing movements.
And as we noted in the last campaign you had a number of Jesuits running.
You had Jerry Brown who was Jesuit trained in the left wing.
You had Pat Buchanan on the right wing covering that territory.
And Bill Clinton in the middle, Jesuit trained.
So left wing, right wing and middle were all but Bill Clinton's campaign was
premised on the idea of appealing to all the interest groups.
And he's already pushing things hard to the left.
Now we, you know, he's already reneged on his promises regarding taxes.
And he is pushing this homosexual issue.
And so he's pushing things hard to the left.
I remember one of the inaugural balls they showed him playing his saxophone with jazz
and rock type groups.
With sunglasses on.
Yes!
And I thought, what kind of a president?
What are we into now?
What is behind this man that makes him this way?
But see, this is what happened in the Weimar Republic.
And then before long there was violence in the streets.
And the communists the Spartacists were trying to take over Munich and various
other cities in Germany.
And the Free Corps came and fought them in the streets.
And the Free Corps was recruited.
They were the right wingers.
They were recruited largely from these Nietzsche reading Wandervogel hippies.
And they became the hardened shock troops, if you please, of Hitler's machinations
and his organizations.
But what is so interesting, John, is that Professor Alan Bloom, and we've
referred to this often and I want to look at a new dimension of his book Closing of
the American Mind.
How higher education has failed democracy and impoverished the souls of today's
students.
This is a very large selling book.
It went into paperback and it sold widely across America.
He has a chapter in here entitled The German Connection.
And we quote from it in Freedom's Ring.
And in this chapter, he tells us how when Hitler came to power, many professors that
had been in Germany, who had been teaching these concepts of Nietzsche, fled from
Germany and came over here to America and got posts in our universities.
And they began, kept on teaching the same thing.
And they taught this value relativism, this caring terminology.
They taught the idea of being beyond good and evil.
And the subjectivity of all belief about good and evil.
And this has permeated now through our whole educational system in America for
the last 50 years.
Until we have a situation which Alan Bloom tells us in the beginning of his book that
every student coming into class in the university believes that truth is
relative.
And this has taken hold in Adventism.
Right and wrong is relative.
Yes.
It's the same kind of thing as what happened in Russia that you were
describing about.
Absolutely.
And it's happened in America, which was once called the Righteous Empire.
You know, the land where religion had finally flourished to its ultimate degree.
Bastion of religious...
And the land that gave birth to Adventism.
And now in our dormitories.
An old friend of mine, an academy dean in the men's dorm told me that now every
student in the dorm, in his dorm believes that truth is relative.
So this is this relativity of truth.
Remember we just talked about that earlier in this video, that this was a concept
that the Jesuits had.
Absolutely.
It undermined the idea of the absolutes of good and evil.
No more absolutes.
And made truth relative.
Right.
Now Nietzsche is the most broadly based philosophical concept that is abroad in
America today.
I didn't bring Richard Tarnas' book The Passion of the Western Mind, but he has a
chapter where he tells of how this philosophy of Nietzsche and these concepts
of Nietzsche are the philosophical pattern of America today.
And Alan Bloom concurs in that.
So this value relativism has created a situation in America now where the old
concepts of good and evil, of right and wrong, of the absolutes of the moral law
have been destroyed in the minds of the people.
And the people are now prepared for a new order of things.
A new order of thinking.
And you know it's interesting that Bill Clinton has been talking about reinventing
America.
And when you know from a Catholic standpoint what that means, the Jesuit
Murray, and I don't think I have his book with me this time, but we talked a little
bit about him before, but we need to bring this in here.
The Jesuit Murray is not interested in throwing out the Constitution,
but he's interested in demonstrating that the Constitution rests on Catholic
principles of natural law.
And so, see, this is a reinvention of the Constitution, a reinvention of the
interpretation of the Constitution, you see.
And so, it remains yet to be seen the full implications of what is going to happen
economically in our country and in the field of law, but I was talking to an
attorney friend of mine who's very influential in our state.
He'll go and plead the cause of religious liberty at the state legislature,
and he's a good friend of mine, and I said to him, what do you think it
means that Bill Clinton is our new president?
He said he views it in very grave terms.
As far as individual freedoms go, he says we're going to move in the
direction of socialism so rapidly now with Bill in charge there.
And you notice in the Wall Street Journal, for example, every day, in the headline
news, in the section that deals with the concise appraisal of developments that
have happened in the last day, right almost invariably at the top is a
new dimension of Bill Clinton's economic package.
There is enormous work being done behind the scenes to generate a whole new
economic approach here in America, and it's going to be very interesting to
see what all of this develops into.
Now, Alan Bloom tells us that it is most amazing that the philosophies of Nietzsche
gained control in America because Nietzsche abhorred the whole way America
functioned.
He was a nationalist philosopher, and he didn't relate at all to America.
And how is it that Americans adopted the philosophy that finally led to the rise of
Nazism in Germany?
With the destruction of absolutes gone, then finally a man with the will to power,
with a simple message of overmastering will, became the Führer, the leader,
and the people fell into line because they did not have the alternative anymore in
their philosophical and theological and moral makeup to appeal to a sovereign God
who is above all men who had absolutes that were beyond what a government could
impose upon them.
And that, of course, is the basis of liberty, the authority of God.
Like we said at the beginning, if we don't have that authority of God,
we lose human liberty.
And we are in that process now in America.
Freud was a major advocate of concepts similar to Nietzsche.
He built on Nietzsche.
And I was amazed when I was involved in teaching and I was serving as an acting
academic dean at a college, we had a seminary professor come in to the college
and we were supposed to examine him that day as to his fitness for being our next
academic dean.
I was just acting dean in an interlude there for about two years or so.
And this man was from the seminary.
He was a professor of church growth.
And he brought his materials...
Had he been to Fuller?
I don't know.
But he brought his materials and as I opened them up I was appalled.
Freudian psychology all through.
And he wanted to make all of the members of churches little miniature counselors
based on Freudian psychology and various schools of psychology.
And so I really examined him in front of the staff.
And at the end of the day they concluded that he would not work as a new academic
dean.
But this points out for us something very significant.
That Nietzsche's ideas of value relativism and the new language of caring and values
and identity and fulfillment and relationships.
These ideas were picked up by psychology here in America.
And then the church growth movement picked it up to help assist in church growth.
And the caring church takes it over from the church growth movement.
But someone has to ask the question, where did it all come from?
What are the roots of the whole thing?
And that's what Alan Bloom asked here.
This is what our people don't ask.
They just think that this was just some idea that some general conference leader
had.
It must have started in the general conference.
And they have no idea that the stuff, that the place where these general
conference leaders and these conference leaders got this stuff, and if they could
just trace it back and realize it, it comes right out of Jesuit thought.
And you see, this is the reason that these videos that we are producing are just
absolutely blowing the minds of our historic Adventist people around the
world.
Bob, I really don't think you and I have any idea, until maybe the millennium,
of the extent that our videos have played in happenings within Adventism,
how people are getting their eyes open, and people are standing up for the truth,
because they're realizing the research that you have done, where all this stuff
is coming from.
Bob, I hate to say it, but our Adventist people are so gullible.
That's right.
They are so gullible.
They just go like lambs to the slaughter, and the blind leading the blind,
and they are both falling into the ditch, and they have no idea where all this stuff
that is being inculcated into the Church came from.
That's right.
Alan Bloom tells us, and I'm quoting now from a quote of his on page 18 of
Freedom's Ring in the January-February issue, that the most important and most
astonishing phenomenon of our time, all the more astonishing in being almost
unnoticed, is that there is now an entirely new language of good and evil,
originating in an attempt to get beyond good and evil, and preventing us from
talking with any conviction about good and evil anymore.
Even those who deplore our current moral condition do so in the very language that
exemplifies this condition.
The new language is that of value relativism.
And it constitutes a change in our view of things moral and political as great as the
one that took place when Christianity replaced Greek and Roman paganism.
So we're looking at a titanic shift now.
And this new language is evidence of this shift.
A titanic shift that is as great as when Christianity replaced paganism.
There's whole new words being used in our Church today that people have never heard
before.
And they just...
they just go along with it, Bob.
That's right.
A new language always reflects a new point of view and the gradual unconscious
popularization of new words or of old words used in new ways is a sure sign of a
profound change in people's articulation of the world.
It's a sure sign.
Yeah.
Now, remember that what Catholicism is interested in doing is bringing about a
cultural change.
And that is exactly what's happening.
We are in the midst of a massive cultural change.
How are we ever?
I'm 41 years old and I have never seen such a cultural change in all my 41 years
as I have seen in the last 2 or 3 years.
In the 7th Avenue structure.
I mean, it's unbelievable the change.
And the majority of our people are going right along with it.
It's what is so...
That's the reason I'm hollering my head off.
Because I see our people going along with this stuff and nobody is having the
courage to stand up and say, Hey!
Wait just a minute!
Why are we doing this?
Why is this happening?
You know, blowing the whistle on these guys and say, Where is this coming from?
Why are we doing this?
And because we have been raised as Adventists in the philosophy that if our
leadership says it's okay and the conference sprinkles holy water on it and
blesses it, that it's got to be okay.
That's right.
That they are the voice of God and if they say that black is white and white is
black, then that's the way it is.
That's right.
Because we have been raised in an Adventist environment, dare I say it,
of cadaver obedience.
That if it comes out of the conference office, it's got to be of God.
That's right.
Now, we hear about conflict resolution today.
Lead consultants has a whole course in it, for example, and I have a friend who used
to be in hypnotism, and he has told me that that whole course is loaded with
hypnotism.
But notice, those who are interested in conflict resolution, this is from Alan
Bloom, and I'm reading from Freedom's Ring now, page 19 of January-February of 93.
Those who are interested in conflict resolution find it much easier to reduce
the tension between values than the tension between good and evil.
If you can get people off of believing in the absolutes of good and evil,
you see, that's the diabolical idea here, and get them to erect a value system,
then you can get them to just adjust that, and then this other person adjusts it and
they get closer and closer and closer and closer.
That's what we've done with the three angels message.
You know, we get off of it, and we have invented a new gospel.
That's right.
It's a new gospel.
You see, we have invented... Self-esteem.
That's right.
We have invented, in the Seventh-day Adventist corporate structure,
a new gospel.
The three angels message is no longer the everlasting gospel.
We have invented, the conference has invented a new gospel now, and held it out
to our people to say, this is the gospel.
You know, the stuff that you hear on It Is Written and our programs, the stuff that
you're reading in our periodicals, the stuff you're reading from Morris
Vendin.
This is the new gospel.
Well, you know, you don't hear anything about the three angels message anymore.
Because we have concocted a new gospel and said, you know, don't pay any attention to
what these fanatics, these lunatic friends are saying.
You know, this is the gospel now.
You know, just love, love, love.
This is the new gospel.
That's right.
And our people have just swallowed it.
Values, identity, caring.
Oh, caring and dealing with social issues, you know, on AIDS and premarital sex and
stress, you know, and the environment, and the trips to Israel, you know,
and getting to know Jesus.
You know, listen, that is not the gospel.
That's right.
And see, this is the part of what this caring business is all about.
It's not really caring about you personally, but it's caring about some
issue.
Oh, yes.
Abortion or anti-abortion or environment.
Pornography.
Or, you know, gay rights and on and on and on and on, you know.
And this is part of what caring means in this generation.
For instance, you know, Hillary Clinton is really big on all these kind of issues.
Children's issues or this issue.
And this is part of the phenomenon of what happens when people get involved in value
relativism.
Because having given up the values of good or the truths, the absolutes of good and
evil, and establishing their own values, then they know that if they're prepared to
even die for this cause, you know, the environment or whatever, the Green
Peace people or whatever, that's looked upon as being very noble.
You're committed.
You're concerned.
You're a caring person, you see.
And what do they propagate in the Adventist Review and on this video online?
You know, how the people are so dedicated to building this float for the Rose
Parade.
Yes, that's it.
Oh, give me a break!
Building a float for the Rose Parade and showing the dedication of such people.
They will give their hard-earned money and come out at 4 o'clock in the morning.
And oh, how exciting it is to build this float for the Rose Parade.
You know, we have totally lost our vision as a people.
What was the float about?
The environment, wasn't it?
Totally!
Caring for nature.
It was about the environment, having these little creatures dancing and doing all
this stuff on Advent.
You know, and that's all it is, is the environment.
You know, they have totally lost the concept of preaching our three angels'
message to the world.
All we want to do is do public relations and get our name and have everybody like
us.
Well, you know, another factor too, John, is in the internationalist,
globalist movement, there is a slogan, Think Globally, Act Locally.
And that slogan has been used now by our Church.
Absolutely.
They're taking the globalist slogans and importing them.
They're taking the language of value relativism and importing it.
And along with it comes the whole philosophy, the whole baggage,
the whole shift into value relativism.
And see, a people that has come to accept the idea that truth is relative,
they are vulnerable for human control then.
And this whole thing is setting the world up for the papal New World Order,
where the natural law of the Roman Catholic Church will be imposed around the
world, and the National Sunday Law imposed.
The term value, meaning the radical subjectivity of all belief about good and
evil, serves the easy-going quest for comfortable self-preservation.
And you know what the gospel teaches.
The very substance, Ellen White says, of the gospel is self-surrender.
You see, the true biblical Adventist has a self-surrender that means the abnegation,
the crucifixion of self.
I am crucified with Christ.
Nevertheless I live, yet not I, but Christ lives within me.
In the life which I now live in the flesh, I live by the faith of the Son of God,
who loved me and gave himself for me.
Self is crucified, but with this new gospel of the church growth movement,
of the caring church, self-esteem is glorified.
And so self is alive.
And therefore the most diabolical unleashing of the self, which occurred for
instance in Nazi Germany, is the people are being set up for this.
Because when self is alive, the soul is under the control of another power.
Under the control of Satan.
It is not the everlasting gospel.
It is a false gospel.
And that is exactly what is being manifested in the corporate structure
today, is a false gospel.
And our people are false.
Because you see, the carnal mind loves it because self stays on the throne.
You can continue to sin, self stays on the throne, but yet you have fooled yourself
into believing that you have accepted the gospel.
You are on your way to heaven and you are just staying with the corporate structure.
The ship is going through.
You are going through with the corporate structure and that is it.
But yet self stays on the throne.
You can continue to sin.
And the carnal mind loves it.
That's right.
And I really believe that this philosophy of value relativism, this caring,
fulfillment, identity, relationships, encounter, business, is even more deadly
than celebration.
That is why you in the corporate structure can preach anything you want to and get
away with it.
They'll love you, they'll promote you, except total surrender of self and victory
over all sin in this life.
Exactly.
And which is based on the correct doctrine of the nature of Christ.
When you teach the correct doctrine of the nature of Christ, that his life was not
our substitute but our example.
And we are to let go of all sin, get all sin out of our life and let the
Lord Jesus Christ reign supreme and get self off the throne.
You can preach anything else except that.
When you preach and teach that in the Seventh-day Adventist corporate structure,
you will be disfellowshipped.
That's right.
And this is this business of self-esteem, which has become the new gospel,
is and the value of relativism is such that the one category of person that is
intolerable is the person who still believes in the absolutes of good and
evil, the absolutes of God's law.
That's intolerable.
All of the other relativists are okay.
In fact, this came out in an article in the Adventist Review recently where one of
the editors wrote an article in which he said that we're going to see many rough
waters in the church ahead.
There will be debates and discussions about the homosexuals and this issue about
creation and evolution.
What's there to debate?
And all of that.
But he said there's only one thing that has the potential to tear this church
apart in two.
And he said that's the nature of Christ.
Amen.
And see, you hit the nail on the head there, John.
Amen.
Because you see, when you have the correct theology on the nature of Christ,
it forces you to renounce sin and self.
That's right.
And you see, they will not, the carnal heart, will not accept that.
That's it.
That is totally unacceptable.
That is exactly at the heart of this issue.
Now, Alan Bloom says, and I'm reading from page 19 here in Freedom's Ring again,
this longing to shuck off constraints and have one peaceful, happy world.
Isn't that the motive of our time?
Shuck off constraints, have one peaceful, happy world is the first of the affinities
between our real American world and that of German philosophy in its most advanced
form.
And he's talking about German philosophy that came over in the time of Hitler to
our society here.
There is a second side to this coin, that is of value relativism.
Persons deeply committed to values are admired.
Their intense belief, their caring or concern, their believing in something is
the proof of autonomy, freedom, and creativity.
And so see, this now, what happens with a value relativistic society is it develops
two basic kinds of people.
It develops those who are fanatical about caring about the environment or the
spotted owl, or willing to lay their life on the line for a spotted owl,
you know, or whales, or this or that.
They're deeply committed.
I love the bumper sticker that the loggers had on their trucks.
It says I like my spotted owls fried in eggs on oil.
You know, they were willing, the environmentalists, were willing to put the
spotted owls ahead of people's lives.
And that's what environmentalists will do.
They will go out there and die for the whales.
You know, when you see Greenpeace out there how they are willing to die to save
a whale.
I mean, they're unbelievable.
I mean, the extent that these people will go to to save the quote, environment.
Now listen, it sounds good.
It sounds noble and it sounds good.
But when you realize what is behind all of this, you see the sinister nature of it
all.
So value relativism produces this kind of people who are rabidly and fanatically
committed to some caring enterprise and then it develops others that are just kind
of passive.
It leads in two opposite directions to follow the line of least resistance and to
adopt strong poses and fanatic resolutions.
And that's what happened in Germany.
The fruitage of Nietzsche and value relativism produced the Nazis that were
committed to national socialism, you know, and extermination of the Jews
ultimately not initially, but it gradually grew into that and fanatical dedication to
the supremacy of Germany and then in the rest of the camp of the Nazi society,
the people followed the line of least resistance.
So it sets up a very dangerous situation, value relativism.
Now, Nietzsche called for a new right to transcend capitalism and socialism.
This is very much like what the Pope calls for, something that will transcend
capitalism and socialism and I have keys of this blood here where Malachi Martin
talks about that.
The Pope wants something that will an economic, a geopolitical structure that
will transcend capitalism and socialism.
So America then adopted Nietzsche's philosophy and it became everyday fair in
the United States.
The therapies that the psychologists, now when people have some kind of mental
distress or problem, who do they go to see?
The psychologists.
Sure.
They go for the psychologists and they get various forms of psychological treatment.
And Alan Bloom, I'm reading here from page 21 in Freedom's Ring, he says,
quote, "...in politics, in entertainment, in religion, everywhere we find the
language connected with Nietzsche's value revolution.
A language necessitated by a new perspective on the things of most concern
to us, words such as charisma, lifestyle, commitment, identity,
and many others, all of which can easily be traced to Nietzsche, are now
practically American slang, although they and the other things to which they refer
would have been incomprehensible to our fathers, not to speak of our founding
fathers." Go ahead, John.
Bob, I think the thing that is, I think the biggest surprise I'm having in
this taping of Jesuit Agenda 4 is all the things that you are saying that show that
the things we are dealing with now in America is what happened in Germany just
before the Nazis.
And you see, when you read the Spirit of Prophecy and realize what's going to
happen in America, it's going to resemble what happened in Nazi Germany.
And then to hear you going to all these history books and credible sources showing
how we are being set up in the same things that happened in Germany, just before the
Nazis took control, is what's happening in America.
It's just astounding.
Yeah, it is.
Now he tells of an experience he had to illustrate this.
This is Alan Bloom.
A few years ago I chatted with a taxi driver in Atlanta who told me he had just
gotten out of prison where he had served time for peddling dope.
Happily, he had undergone therapy.
I asked him what kind.
He responded, all kinds.
Depth psychology, transactional analysis.
But what I liked best was Gestalt.
Some of the German ideas did not even require English words to become the
language of the people.
What an extraordinary thing it is that high class talk from what was the peak of
western intellectual life in Germany has become as natural as chewing gum on
American streets.
If we repeat the history, if America repeats the history of Nazi Germany,
instead of being the Jews that are persecuted and exterminated, it's going to
be the Sabbatarians.
Yes, of course.
Do you know who was responsible for more Jews being slaughtered than any other
race?
Fellow Jews.
The Jews turned on their own.
And turned them in to the Nazis.
History tells us how that Jews would turn on other Jews and turn them in to the
Nazis to save their own skin.
And that is exactly what Mrs. White said would happen with Adventists, that they
will turn on themselves and those that have sat in the pews next to us will turn
and be our worst enemies and be those that turn us in to the Catholics.
She says in the Spalding McGann collection, I think it's page two.
Unbelievable.
Do you know what the first group was that was put in the concentration camp at
Dachau?
It wasn't the Jews.
The dissidents.
They were the first ones to go.
What are we called?
We are called the dissidents.
You see, the faithful, true, historic Adventists are called, the word that
describes us is dissidents.
And it was the dissidents that were first put in the concentration camps by the
Nazis.
Listen, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that the first ones that
they are going to try to clamp down on and already are clamping down on are the
dissidents.
Those of us who dare to raise our voice in protest in the churches to the things that
are going on.
That's right.
It indeed had had its effect on this taxi driver, that is the therapy.
He said that he had found his identity and learned to like himself.
Ever heard that?
Yes.
A generation earlier, Alan Bloom says, he would have found God and learned to
despise himself as a sinner.
Look at the contrast.
Now he's found himself and learned to like himself.
He's found his identity and learned to like himself through these psychologies.
A generation earlier he would have found God and learned to despise himself as a
sinner.
The problem lay with his sense of self not with any original sin or devils in him.
Notice, Alan Bloom puts his finger on the problem of this whole thing.
It's his sense of self.
Now people talk after having gone to psychology and the therapies of having
found their identity and loving themselves, rather than having found God
and learning to despise themselves as a sinner.
I just thought of something else, Bob.
During the Second World War there were people Germans and non-Germans that were
trying to tell the German people what was going on in the concentration camps.
And the German people refused to believe it.
They said, you people are fanatics, you're lunatics, you're crazy,
you're just possessed with paranoia and this stuff is not happening.
And they refused to believe these people.
And I know that there is a segment of Adventism, if I dare say it's the majority
of Adventism, that look on these videos that we are producing and say man,
those guys are lunatics, they're just riddled with paranoia believing that all
the Jesuits are out there and they refuse to believe what we say just as the German
people during the Second World War refused to believe what they heard was really
going on.
But there is going to come a time, Bob, when God is going to vindicate you
and He's going to vindicate me.
And He's going to vindicate those of us in historic Adventism who are daring to lift
our voices in protest and trying to warn our people into what is going on.
It may not be immediately, but I can assure you in the fairness of God that
there will come a time when He will vindicate everything that you and I are
saying on these videos.
Blessed be His name.
Yes, that's right.
Alan Bloom then tells of how he had watched this whole thing grow as a
professor.
He says he felt a little like someone who had known Napoleon when he was six.
He watched his value relativism and its concomitants grow greater in the land than
anyone imagined.
He said who would have ever thought that this language, which was introduced back
decades ago, would one day become the language on the streets of America?
The self-understanding of hippies, he says, yippies, yuppies, panthers,
prelates, that's ministers and presidents, has unconsciously been formed by German
thought of a half-century earlier.
Nietzsche said that the world revolves around the inventors of new values,
revolves silently.
Nietzsche was such an inventor, and we are still revolving around him,
although rather squeakily.
Then he tells of how Freud and Weber promoted Nietzsche's ideas and popularized
them, and how this was all imported here, and how various professors were concerned
about it at first, but most of them just simply repressed the idea that there was
any danger in Nietzsche's thought that it might lead to Nazism.
This was simply repressed, he said, and a blind eye was turned to their
influence on their contemporaries.
Yet you're saying that these thoughts of Nietzsche that led to Nazism are exactly
the same thoughts that are being inculcated into the Seventh-day Adventist
and across Christianity and our nation.
That's the whole point of this chapter, the German connection.
We are being set up, prepared, just as Nazi Germany was, with the same
exact thought.
That's right, the same philosophy.
He says there is no doubt that value relativism, if it is true and it is
believed, takes one into very dark regions of the soul and very dangerous political
experiments.
But on enchanted American ground, the tragic sense has little place,
and the early proponents of the new social science gaily accepted the value insight,
sure that their values were just fine, and went ahead with science.
It was not until the sixties that the value insight began to have its true
effects in the United States.
And what was that?
Hippies.
The hippies.
I have a book here titled 1968.
This is an international oral history.
All over the world, suddenly, the youth just erupted.
1968, I will never forget it.
I was a junior at Forest Lake Academy, and I'll never forget that year.
That was the most tumultuous year of my life, of the nation.
It was an unprecedented year.
The change that took place in this nation in 1968.
And I was right in the middle of it.
And that was right after Vatican II, interestingly, isn't it?
And it started a pattern, a progression of developments in people's thinking
patterns, just like what happened in Germany with the Wandervogel, eventually
leading into the Nazism that arose.
And here is a book, Killing the Spirit, by Page Smith.
Higher education in America.
Here's a man having his spirit killed by all the professors.
Now, this man is an administrator.
He was a prominent administrator in universities out in California.
He said, by 1967, the counterculture was in full tide, with the gathering of young
people into communes as one of its main developments.
Why did they suddenly want to go into communes?
What was behind this?
A commune is the basis of commune-ism.
Yes, sure.
First thousands, and then tens of thousands of young men and women abandoned
middle-class suburban homes, university campuses, and postgraduate studies and
formed communes, cooperative living groups, many of them agricultural,
others content to be urban communes.
All had their own ethical code.
Some were political in tone and intent.
Many were religious.
In fact, a girl who was involved in the hippie movement told me of how her priest,
she was a Catholic, had invited her to come over to the church and paint hippie
flowers and symbols on the parish van, the Catholic parish van.
It was obvious to her that the priests were promoting this and trying to lead and
direct this whole movement.
Some were political in tone and intent.
Many were religious.
Eastern religions were especially in vogue.
Since the communards were rebelling against middle-class American life and
Protestant Christianity was identified in the minds of the young with middle-class
culture, it was less in evidence than, say, Zen or Tantric Buddhism or Sufism.
And then he goes on to tell about there was a confessional impulse that was
common.
There was great emphasis on openness, on sharing one's own feelings and emotions
with others.
The encounter group in which one laid bare one's innermost feelings and confessed
one's sins of selfishness or pride against others, against the community,
flourished.
And astrology and various forms of the occult were popular.
This is just like what happened in Germany.
Music and dance were central.
What has become known as the New Age philosophy evolved from that movement,
developed over a whole theory of history.
Incidentally, John, coming out here, I had opportunity to read about half of
this book, Now is the Dawning of the New Age, New World Order.
We don't have time on this video to get into this, but the documentation here is
absolutely astounding.
In about 1938, the Jesuits accepted the idea of the New World Order concept.
He documents about the time when the popes in the papacy began accepting the idea.
And in 1976, the hippie movement really flowered into the New Age movement.
And the New Age movement is the underpinnings for the New World Order.
And in the Catholic bookstores today, you can get all kinds of New Age
materials.
It's very, very interesting how all these things interrelate and are tied together.
He says here, the New Age started in 1976.
And this is, of course, what was called the Age of Aquarius.
And a whole new philosophical perception was to come over the human race.
A pantheistic idea.
God is in us.
And this is all of this mysticism and omega of apostasy.
We're going right back to the Garden of Eden, to the first lie that Lucifer told
to Eve.
You know, that you can be as gods.
This is the basis of Mormonism.
It's the basis of so many false religions.
And it's coming right into Christianity, coming right into the Seventh-day
Adventist corporate structure, being taught in our schools.
The New Age is right in our midst, Bob!
Exactly.
Let me get a book, John.
John, here is Earth and the Balance, Ecology and the Human Spirit by Senator Al
Gore.
Al Gore, I've heard of him.
We talked about him in Jesuit Agenda 3.
But he is one of the most rabid New Agers in the nation.
Very rabid.
And he talks about the need to suppress individual rights and enhance the rights
of the community.
And he talks about Gaia, the Gaia hypothesis that the whole ecology of the
earth is a living organism, and laments that the Mother Goddess idea has died out.
And why is it, he said, considered a heresy to think that God is in you?
This man is our Vice President now.
Do you see how far this thing has gone?
We have a Jesuit-trained President, we have a New Age Vice President.
In fact, his book just prepared...
You know, when you read his latest book, is this the only book that he's written?
Doesn't he have one more?
He may have more than one.
I don't know.
This book just aptly outlines how that our Vice President is a New Ager.
Through and through.
Oh, absolutely.
We have a Jesuit President and a New Age Vice President.
What does that tell you, Bob?
Oh, God help us.
It tells me that I think we are in for a very unstable situation, and very rapid
and significant and decisive changes.
Because, let me get another book here, John.
Bill Clinton believed that he was elected with a mandate for change.
Here is a task force that developed a whole book, a new blueprint for a new
America.
He wants to reinvent America.
He wants to reinvent it economically.
We are looking at sweeping, massive, enormous changes that are going on and no
doubt will increase going on at an astronomical rate.
And when you have this value relativism, you have a very unstable situation because
you don't have people that believe in absolutes anymore.
And dangerous and tricky situations can catapult the nation into a very,
very grave, serious restriction of liberty.
I tell you, if our Adventist people cannot realize the seriousness of the times in
which we live and how quickly things are wrapping up.
Bob, what more can we do to wake our Adventist people up in what we have done?
All they have to do...
You know, I realize that we're not all speed readers and scholars like you are.
And Bob, I wouldn't want our people to wade through this stuff.
You know, I believe definitely that God has called you to do this particular work
and has put a guard upon your mind to protect you to where you can absorb this
stuff and bring the truth to our people and have God deliver you from the satanic
influences of this material that you're going through.
You know, in early writings, 124 and 125, I believe, are the pages where she talks
about that we are not to go in where evil is taught unless the Lord has specifically
called you to do that.
Only then will He protect you.
Well, I believe that our people should not be going wading through these books.
And when they see these books on our videos, they run down to their bookstore
and buy them and read them.
I don't want them doing that.
I don't believe that you do either.
I believe that God has specifically called you and is protecting you as you go
through this stuff to bring the truth to our people.
Just like Ellen White says in early writings, 124 and 125, there are specific
people who God has called to go in to these dens of iniquity where error is
being taught for a specific purpose.
God will protect them.
But unless He has specifically... That's right, to refute the error.
But unless He has specifically called you to do that, she says that the Holy Spirit
and the Holy Angels remain outside and you go in and are left to the buffetings of
Satan.
I believe in your particular instance that God has called you to do this.
But I don't believe that our people should be going and buying these books and
reading through them, Bob.
And I just praise the Lord for the way that He is using you to bring this truth
to our people.
We have about 10 minutes left on this video.
Let's bring it to a close, Bob.
Okay.
Ellen Bloom says that we are playing with fire with this business of value
relativism.
He says once one plunges into the abyss there is no assurance whatsoever that
equality, democracy, or socialism will be found on the other side.
He says this whole thing is so unstable we are playing with fire.
And he says as the language derived from nihilism, that's what Nietzsche taught.
The language derived from nihilism has become a part of their educations and
insinuated itself into their daily lives.
People pursue happiness in ways determined by that language.
There is a whole arsenal of terms for talking about nothing, caring,
self-fulfillment, expanding consciousness, and so on, almost indefinitely.
So he's trying to sound the warning.
He says this value relativism creates a nihilism of the soul.
In other words, he says it's a state where the soul is in chaos of the instincts and
passions.
And look at our young people today.
Chaotic passions, instincts rule instead of the spirit directing the intellect and
molding the character and the image of God.
We have a very, very serious situation developing here in America.
But Christ is the answer to all of life's needs.
He is the answer to the spiritualism.
He is the answer to the issues regarding the papacy, Jesuitism.
The answer is found in the Gospel of Jesus Christ, because there we can find what the
human heart needs.
The true love of God that is without measure.
There is comfort and security and healing in Christ.
For death there is resurrection and eternal life.
For loneliness the incomparable friendship of Christ.
There is the redeemed and unfallen beings that will fellowship with us throughout
eternal ages.
There is the nearness of angels.
The Gospel provides divine providence, the mighty counselor, the everlasting
father, the prince of peace.
And for all the meaninglessness of this life, Christ offers the infinite meaning
of himself and his presence.
The love of God, the sovereignty of God, the great controversy, the cross of
Calvary, heaven itself.
Man is not abandoned by God, but he is loved with an infinite love.
He is guided by the Holy Spirit.
And as we find our nation descending into the depths of the philosophical
comprehensions and worldviews of the philosophies that led to the rise of
Nazism in Germany, we as Adventists are called upon to proclaim the three angels'
messages to declare ever more loudly and forcefully the true meaning of the
Sabbath, which is the significance of God being the creator, being the king and lord
and redeemer.
And we are to find our power in that sign spoken of in Exodus 31.
So as we look about us and we see the forces at work, we have to be absolutely
firm in our commitment to our message, in our surrender to the Lord, in our
acceptance of the biblical principles of true conversion, and that the just shall
live by faith, the fundamental concepts of Protestantism, this divine graft on the
human spirit.
And it must work itself out in all the dimensions of our life, in our religious
life, in our work-a-day life, in our philosophy, in our theology, in every
dimension of our life we are to be permeated with Protestant principles
because we have the greatest power on earth, that is Jesus Christ in our hearts.
You know, since we take this first Jesuit agenda, we've become friends.
I've really come to love you, Bob.
I appreciate your ministry.
And you know, I know that you feel the same way that I do.
There is no power on earth, there is no prestige, money, anything that could make
us do what we are doing were it not for the sweet peace of Jesus Christ.
As we put our heads on our pillow at night to know that we are doing what God wants
us to do and nothing else.
Bob, if I wasn't absolutely convinced in my innermost soul that what I am doing is
what God wants me to do, I couldn't live with myself, I couldn't go another day.
I would throw this whole thing out and go do something else.
You know, Bob, you are a college professor.
You could be teaching in any college that you wanted to teach.
And you could be doing myriads of other things with the mind that the Lord has
given you.
The Lord has given me very talents that I could be doing other things.
The only thing that keeps you and I doing what we are doing is because of the sweet
peace that Jesus Christ gives us.
This is the way walking in.
And He gives us our marching orders and we are day by day, hour by hour, minute by
minute, walking in the light that Jesus is shining in our path and walking in the way
that He has given us to walk.
And I know that people are worried for our safety and are praying for us and we thank
you dear folks for praying for us.
Bless your hearts, we appreciate the prayers that go up for Bob and I and for
all those in the Faithful Independent Ministries.
But just before we close this video I sent you a book.
Somebody sent me a book a couple of weeks ago.
And I read portions of it and I said Bob, you've got to have this.
Well Bob, it's called A Pale Horse and it's written by William Cooper.
Tell us who William Cooper is and I want you to close with this one paragraph from
his book A Pale Horse.
Bill Cooper is a former United States Naval Intelligence Briefing Team member.
So we would expect that he would know about research he would know about
intelligence.
So he's just not some skid row bum that decided to write a book.
He reveals information that remains hidden from the public eye.
He talks about the seventh day Sabbath in here John.
Did you know that?
He is a Sabbath keeper apparently.
And he exposes the papacy because it changed the day of worship from Saturday
to Sunday.
I just read portions of it and got it in the mail and said Bob if you don't have
this, you've got to have this book and I sent it to you.
Read him the one paragraph that is just so, so riveting.
Okay now, right now John, I have to rest the evidence on this Naval Intelligence
Briefing Team member.
We tried to check out further documentation and the problem we ran into
was he has gone into hiding.
This stuff is so explosive in here.
In fact, they found on a copy machine that was sold at a surplus, an army surplus
location.
They found a document describing how the economy would be used to subjugate the
people in America.
I wanted to bring that out, but we didn't have time in this video.
But here is the paragraph that John is interested in.
Folks, let me say this.
Bob is going to read this paragraph.
We are going to put it up on the character generator for you to read it on the
screen.
But you are probably going to have to put it on rewind and read this thing over and
over about three or four times before it finally sinks in.
Listen to this.
This is not the only place where I have heard this either.
Other material of this nature has come into us.
This is page 89 of Behold a Pale Horse by William Cooper.
In the early 1940s, the I.G.
Farben Chemical Company, and that was probably the biggest company, corporation
in Germany.
It dominated Germany.
I have other books that tell of how it dominated.
In fact Carol Quigley, in his book The Mentor of Bill Clinton tells about I.G.
Farben.
The I.G.
Farben Chemical Company employed a Polish salesman who sold cyanide to the Nazis for
use in Auschwitz.
The same salesman also worked as a chemist in the manufacture of the poison gas.
This same cyanide gas, along with Zyklon B and Malathion, was used to exterminate
millions of Jews and other groups.
Their bodies were then burned to ashes in the ovens.
After the war, the salesman, fearing for his life, joined the Catholic Church and
was ordained a priest in 1946.
One of his closest friends was Dr. Wolf Schmuesnis, the mastermind behind the
November 78 to October 79 and March 80 to October 81 experimental hepatitis B
vaccine trials conducted by the Center for Disease Control in New York, San
Francisco, and four other American cities that loosed the plague of AIDS upon the
American people.
I have heard this before, boy, about that the plague of AIDS was not an
accident.
It was unleashed upon us.
It was developed in laboratories.
I had a document sent to me and I read it to my father who was a physician,
as yours was, and he was, he was, if there ever was a person who was not
prone to fanatical strange ideas, it was him.
He had a tremendous abhorrence from it.
But when I read the account there of how the AIDS virus had been developed and then
how it had been introduced into the homosexual populations in these cities as
part of a vaccine, hepatitis vaccine, he said that, to me, sounds like the real
answer to where this came from.
Finish the quote.
The salesman was ordained Poland's youngest bishop in 1958.
After a 30-day reign, his predecessor was assassinated and our ex-cyanide gas
salesman assumed the papacy as Pope John Paul II.
1990 is the right time with the right leaders.
Ex-chief of the Soviet secret police, Mikhail Gorbachev, ex-chief of the CIA,
George Bush, ex-Nazi cyanide gas salesman, Pope John Paul II, all bound by an unholy
alliance to ring in the new world order.
The Pope has challenged world leaders by claiming that the people of the world
already recognized the absolute authority of Rome because they observed the Sunday
Sabbath that was ordered by the Pope and the Council of Laodicea, A.D.
364.
Listen to that.
The original Ten Commandments given Moses by God ordered that we should remember the
Sabbath day to keep it holy.
Six days shalt thou labor and do all thy work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath
of the Lord thy God.
In it thou shalt not do any work thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter,
thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is
within thy gates.
For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is,
and rested the seventh day.
Wherefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
The seventh day, the Sabbath as handed to Moses by God, is Saturday.
The celebration of Sunday as the Sabbath.
The celebration of Sunday as the Sabbath is verification that the people recognize
the Pope as superior to God.
Listen to this.
This is a naval intelligence briefing officer.
The stones are starting to cry out.
Youngborough into the temple and the people were saying, Hosanna to the son of
David.
And the priest and the Pharisees and scribes were running out saying,
Make them be quiet, make them be quiet.
And Jesus said, If they are quiet the stones, these very stones are going to cry
out.
And that is exactly what's happening today Bob.
The stones are crying out the truth.
And I tell you, if our denominational structure, if our corporate structure
refuses to preach the three angels message, God is going to raise up stones.
He's going to go to the Gentiles to preach the three angels message to the world if
we don't do it.
Praise God that the Lord has seen fit to give us the truth.
And we have to run with it as far and as fast as we can.
And expose the wickedness of the man of sin and preach the everlasting gospel.
And I want to just close by saying this, Bob.
I believe that the corporate structure is going to try to tie in these Waco Wacos
that are being held, that have this standoff going on right now as we are
taping.
We don't know how this is going to turn out.
By the time you watch this video I'm sure that will have come to a close in Waco.
But right now they're in the midst of this big standoff.
And that the corporate structure is going to try to tie in these Waco Wacos as I
call them.
And these people in the message ministry in Oregon that get messages from God to
kill each other.
And they've tried to tie in these billboards, the great controversy,
and all the faithful independent ministries all in together.
And we are already hearing reports that the Oregon conference is making statements
to the fact that this is what happens when people separate from the corporate
religious structure.
And they're going to try to tie us all in together with these...
put us all into one pot.
You mark my word.
You know what my answer is to that John?
The thing that will save us from this value relativism, this Nietzsche that
leads into Nazism.
And by the way, the Pope had a concordat with Hitler.
It was a Jesuit that even wrote the concordat between him and Mussolini.
Structures have gone awry.
But those who hold to the rock Christ Jesus will triumph.
They will triumph solidly.
They believe in good and evil.
The truth regarding the everlasting gospel and the law of God and the structure which
separates from the rock will lead people into this abyss.
But those who hold to the rock Christ Jesus will see their way through to glory.
Got to be honest with you Bob, this is the best camp meeting my wife and
I have both come to this conclusion.
This is the best camp meeting we've ever been to.
Praise the Lord, we're glad to have you.
We're making a quick little addition to Jesuit Agenda 4 which will be coming out
in just a few days.
We want to put this at the end of it.
Now Bob, I told our people that we would be covering Bill Clinton's Jesuit mentor
and political advisor, Janet Reno's unprecedented demand that all state
attorneys resign, the situation in Bosnia with David Koresh and how the General
Conference's involvement was in that Waco tragedy, and how the ATF operates and how
this all relates to the true and faithful independent ministry.
So let's just take this boom, boom, boom.
First I want you to cover how Bill Clinton has been advised by a Jesuit mentor and
political advisor.
Okay John, in the tape we spoke about his mentor from the Jesuit University of
Georgetown which is probably the center of Jesuit influence here in America.
The most powerful center of influence.
It's right there in Washington DC, one mile from the White House.
And we notice now that Bill Clinton and Al Gore are going there to deliver their
important speeches.
They go and speak to the diplomatic corps which have largely been trained.
Our foreign service operating in the other countries of the world have been largely
trained at Georgetown University.
And that's significant as we'll see shortly.
I have here a speech that Bill gave at Georgetown University.
And I'll just read a few sentences from it and we will see something very
significant.
I have to say a special word by leave of Father O'Donovan about two past presidents
of Georgetown both named Healy.
Now notice he had to get permission from Father O'Donovan.
The first for whom the Healy building was named was the first African American
president of a major university in the United States.
Then there were cheers.
That's a great tribute to Georgetown and to the Catholic church that he was named.
The second, Timothy Healy, passed away just a few days ago and he was Father
O'Donovan's predecessor.
That is he was president of Georgetown University.
He was my friend.
And in his effects when he died were found four pages of an outline of instructions
for me for my inaugural address.
Wow.
So Tim's buried down the hill here.
There's a little typo there, I think.
Tim is right down the hill here, meaning he's buried there.
And I know he's looking down at us and I want him to know that I have absorbed the
instructions and I have taken some and rejected some.
That was always the case.
And then there were laughs.
He didn't want to appear to be a complete clone.
But it's obvious that he's getting his instructions from the Jesuits.
He was trained at Georgetown University and he's getting his instructions from the
Jesuits.
President of the United States.
Now there's some very interesting research we've conducted, John, regarding his
experience when he was at Georgetown and at Oxford University.
You recall that Bill went over to Oxford University with a Rhodes scholarship.
And you have to understand what's behind all of that because Cecil Rhodes was at
the turn of the century a very powerful financial magnate that lived in South
Africa and had a dream of having a secret society control the world with globalism.
And about the turn of the century in his seven wills he made provision for the
Rhodes scholarships to accomplish this purpose and he created a secret society
which according to Carol Quigley, the mentor of Bill Clinton from
Georgetown, according to him it is impossible to understand what has been
going on in the 20th century without understanding this secret society.
And the secret society according to Quigley was patterned exactly along the
lines of the Jesuit order.
They took the constitutions of the Society of Jesus and they merely plugged in the
term British Empire where Roman Catholic Church was.
Now as we trace down what has happened in time, it was this organization that
established the Council on Foreign Relations as a front group here for its
purposes in America and other front groups all over a network and we see the Council
on Foreign Relations and Trilateral Commission and Bilderbergers all working
for a one world government.
Now Quigley in his massive book here, Tragedy and Hope, tells of how he studied
this secret society for 20 years and he had access to their top secret records for
two years and he tells of how they've worked with the communists, how they were
facilitating communist influence here in America, and how the whole thing is
resting upon the attempt to control all the nations through finance.
And here is a review of Tragedy and Hope by W.
Cleon Skousen, the naked capitalist, and in this book Skousen goes behind the
scenes and he goes to the professor that inspired Cecil Rhodes to start all of
this.
And that professor's name was Ruskin.
And Ruskin, when he came to Oxford University they said it was like an
earthquake struck the university.
He made such an impact and he promoted the idea from Plato's Republic of an elite
group of men controlling the masses that would be subservient to them.
And this is what got into Cecil Rhodes' mind.
And every major dictator in the 20th century has, including Marx's ideas,
Marx studied the republic, this has been the pattern which all of the dictators of
the 20th century have patterned upon.
And you see Plato was an ancient Greek philosopher and Roman Catholic theology is
all intertwined and enmeshed with Platonic philosophy and Aristotle's philosophy,
both.
And so this has been a major work, Plato's Republic, in creating dictatorial
type of situations.
And so what is so interesting is that right after Vatican II Bill Clinton,
of course, was a young man.
He was going to Georgetown then he went over to Oxford with the Rhodes
scholarship.
And while he was in Europe he got involved in the anti-war movement.
And here is a book, Peace Eyes, by a Jesuit from Georgetown University
from the Center for Peace Studies at Georgetown.
And in this book, the Jesuit tells of going over to Europe.
He wrote this book in I believe it was 1977.
And in the foreword, right in the very first sentence, he says, when I got off
the train in Oslo, Norway, I met Bill Clinton of Georgetown University.
He asked if he could go with me visiting peace people.
And the whole book tells of this Jesuit's travels around the world, facilitating,
helping the peace, anti-war, anti-Vietnam hippie type movement.
And I've spoken to people who have been, one person in particular, who was a hippie
during this time.
And this person told me that it was very obvious that the Catholic priests were
very interested in directing this whole hippie movement.
And remember, we compared a little bit of the movement in America and around the
world in the late 60s with what was going on in Germany with the Wandervogel.
So, Bill Clinton was following the Jesuits way back there.
And he invited McSorley, the Jesuit, to have the opening prayer at his big
service with hundreds of people, anti-war service that he held in England.
McSorley traveled with Clinton in Norway.
Then he met him again in England.
And he tells about it in this book, Peace Eyes, a most interesting thing.
Satan has been preparing our Jesuit president for such a time as this.
You know, the Lord prepares people for certain times and the devil prepares
people for certain times.
And obviously Bill Clinton is filling the position that the devil has outlined for
him to fill in bringing the mark of the beast upon the world.
While we are still on this subject John, there is a lot more that is going on too
that we have just uncovered in the last few weeks.
Someone called our ministry and told about the governor's school that Bill Clinton
was operating.
What is that?
Well, we'll explain a little bit in a minute here.
Bill Clinton went over, incidentally, while he was governor of Arkansas to Italy
to study how the Italian communist communes were functioning.
And he came back and initiated a lot of those concepts back here in America.
And he has started years ago what he calls the governor's school, which is a school
that takes 14 through 18 year olds for six weeks each summer and puts them in a
cloistered environment and there they are subjected to a deep imbibing of new age
philosophy.
They are requested to not phone home.
They are requested to have as little outside influence with them during that
time.
It is a massive indoctrination program from all the information we have been able
to get.
We have gotten information from people who have researched about the school.
We have contacted the school itself.
We have gotten information from the school itself.
And it is definitely a new age type of school that wants to include all
philosophies and the thinking of the young people.
And the purpose of it is along the same lines as the Rhodes scholarships and the
whole plan of Cecil Rhodes to take the brightest young minds imbue them with the
ideas of globalism, internationalism and control of the masses through socialism.
And then they become the next leaders and their philosophies trickle down.
They put their people in influence all through the educational system,
the churches, the government, the whole picture.
And so what we have got is an awesome thing going on here, John.
And it is not only in Arkansas.
We found out that these schools are in virtually every state.
They take the brightest, the most gifted and talented.
And gifted and talented is a term that the new agers love to use because they love to
get the gifted and talented young people and mold them in their thinking and then
they spread the thinking across through society.
It's a new age technique for bringing about the new age, new world order.
Oh, Bob, this stuff is so mind-boggling.
I don't know if you can bring this thing on Bill Clinton to a close, but we've got
to move on.
We don't have much room at the end of this tape.
Anything in closing you want to say about Bill Clinton?
I want to say in closing about this governor's school.
When you study how Hitler took control of the German nation, he took control of them
through the youth.
In fact, he said of the old people, he said, if they come up to me and say
they disagree with me, I say, it's alright, I've got your descendants.
And how he got them was through the Hitler youth, and the Hitler youth worked
primarily through the ages of 14 to 18.
That's exactly what we see happening in the conference corporate structure.
If the old people don't agree with us, we've got your youth.
And now there's a massive effort to put them on boards, on committees,
to replace the older ones who once knew what it was like, and bring in the new
philosophy.
You see, John, not only has Bill Clinton and Al Gore been trained in this,
and incidentally, the average age of their staff in the White House is somewhere in
the 20s.
I know where you're headed.
And the same thing, the plan is in our structure to replace the old timers with a
massive influx of youth.
Do you see that happening, friend?
Absolutely, that's what's going on, Bob.
So we are in for enormous changes, and after Hitler's Hitler youth,
then they went into labor service for two years, and what do we see but Bill Clinton
promoting the labor service program, a two-year labor service program for
college students in America.
Hitler started out with 100,000 in the Hitler youth, and before long there were
over 7 million, and finally he demanded that every youth be in it.
Bill Clinton starting out with 150,000 in the labor service program, and projecting
a massive expansion.
We are seeing what happened in Germany being played out not only philosophically
but mechanically and governmentally now with the imposition of a whole new way of
thinking that is alien to the faith of Scripture that is going on.
Bob, that's staggering, but I tell you, we see what's happening in our nation
going on in the conference corporate structure.
It's amazing to see the parallels.
That's the point, John.
Not only have these people been affected by the thinking of their generation,
which was molded by Jesuit thought, but our own leaders were affected by it.
Do you know John, when Youth Instructor was given up and Insight Magazine came
out?
Yeah.
It was right at the end of the 60s.
And my father went to the man at the general conference who was in charge of
this and asked, Why are you doing this?
And he said, Well, the youth take the Youth Instructor and they throw it on the
ground and they spit on it and they stomp on it.
Well, is that why you give up the word of God?
So they do that with the Bible.
The spirit of prophecy.
Oh, the rationale that is used.
Okay, tell us about Janet Reno's unprecedented demand that all the U.S.
attorneys resign.
What's the bottom of all that?
Well, that's part of the same picture.
They are wanting to bring in an entire new legal system.
And when we look at what's happening with the environmental movement, the
environmental movement is providing a framework of environmental law that is
transnational.
That is global.
Because if you burn something over here, the impact of it is going to land over
there.
And so we have these environmental laws with draconian penalties attached to them.
You know, you kill a bird and you may wind up with a fiercer penalty than if you kill
a man.
And so, what they are interested in doing is eliminating all the United States
attorneys that were from previous generations so they can put their own
stamp on the whole system.
And this is unprecedented.
I have the transcripts here from the news program, the interviews that were done on
this.
And this is completely unprecedented to bring in a whole new slate of U.S.
attorneys.
And their reason is they want to put a new stamp on the whole system.
...and the International Year of Youth Evangelism.
Next year will be the International Year of the Family coinciding with the United
Nations International Year of the Family celebration.
Exactly.
Right on track.
Okay, tell us about Bosnia.
How does that relate to the Jesuit agenda?
Well, that's very interesting, John, because in World War II the
Croatians separated away from the Serbians in Yugoslavia and proclaimed themselves a
Nazi state.
And then the Ustashe death squads, headed by priests and supported by nuns,
exterminated somewhere between three-quarters of a million and one
million Serbs in the worst genocide in World War II.
The Serbs determined that that would never happen again and they became the most
heavily fortified sector of the European population.
And even though of course we can't go along with the atrocities that they are
committing, I think we're getting to a large degree a one-sided story,
possibly, through the media, because incidentally the media was to be
controlled, according to Cecil Rhodes.
This is part of the whole plan, and when you look at who is on the Council
on Foreign Relations in the media, like we did in the previous Jesuit agenda,
you see how that works.
At any rate, we have now another unprecedented move that was proclaimed to
be unprecedented in the news, where we had about a dozen Foreign Service personnel.
Remember what I said about Foreign Service?
Most of them appear to be trained by the premier school of Foreign Service,
Georgetown University, a Jesuit university.
These dozen, in an unprecedented move, called upon Clinton to take military
action in Bosnia.
Now, the European nations have been very hesitant to go ahead and the Clinton
administration is getting much more hawk-like moving us in that direction,
which is very interesting, John, because when Bill was young, he was part
of a peace movement, an anti-war movement, led by Jesuits.
Now, those who have been influenced by Jesuit thinking and Foreign Service are
pushing him in the direction of war.
So, it's a very interesting situation.
That's incredible that the Catholic Church is even involved in this situation in
Bosnia.
Oh, very much so.
They're trying to control the media.
Not only trying to control, they are controlling the media.
And I've heard from several sources that we are not hearing what is really going on
in Bosnia at all.
You know, we as Americans think that we hear everything straight, you know,
and that our newsmen wouldn't think of lying to us, you know, and the freedom of
speech.
Listen, don't believe that, folks.
We are being led down the garden path by our country, as well as by the corporate
structure.
A major focus of the elite secret society established by Cecil Rhodes, and
incidentally, they were working toward appeasement with Hitler, at the time of
Hitler.
A major focus is propaganda and the control of education and the media.
Tell me, Bob, about the tragedy we have seen here so very recently, the conclusion
of the David Koresh Waco incident, the Branch Davidians.
Vance Farrell, Pilgrim's Rest, came out with something that somehow the
General Conference was involved in this somehow?
Yeah, Vance has been doing some research on that.
He's putting out a book, I understand, and here are some quotes that are from the
book that is soon to be released.
I'll just read his passage here that he released.
The February 28, 1993 Waco shootout followed an eight-month investigation by
the ATF, that's the Alcohol Tobacco Firearms, and the Waco Tribune Herald.
We now know that Shirley Burton, you remember her?
Oh, she's the head of the Public Relations of the General Conference.
Well, she was one of those along with Herbert Ford that told the media at the
time of the General Conference session in Indianapolis that those who still adhere
to the General Conference interpretation of end-time events only number about a
thousand in North America.
Now, you said the General Conference, you said that those who adhere to our
historic Adventist beliefs...
The Great Controversy Perspective that Ellen White has regarding...
Ah, the Great Controversy Perspective...
Did I say General Conference?
I'm sorry.
The Great Controversy Perspective of end-time events portrayed in Great
Controversy, that there are only about a thousand that still believe in it now.
And that was from the spokespeople from the General Conference.
Anyway, she of the General Conference was instrumental in getting the investigation
started.
Shirley Burton, Director of Communications for the General Conference of Seventh-day
Adventists, which is headquartered in Silver Spring, Maryland, says that in the
early spring of 1992, she warned government authorities that something
terrible was going to happen at the Waco compound.
She told them to go there and do something.
Here are two reports, both of which originated in her office.
The first one is from Shirley Burton to Media Inquirers, March 2, 1983.
It should be 1993, I think.
Was it a typo?
Yeah, a typo.
1993.
February, March, and April 1992.
Wild rumors, I'm quoting now from her.
Wild rumors began to circulate in the media in California and Australia.
I began soliciting and accumulating information on the group after a panicked
call very early the Saturday morning before Easter Sunday.
Australian media had reported that Howell Koresh Jezreel had called for a suicide
martyrdom on Easter morning as a supreme sacrifice to God.
Media exposure and law enforcement awareness seemed to have thwarted the
plans.
There was no apparent news of them thereafter.
And then the next quote is from the Washington Post, March 3, 1993.
Notice this is just a couple days after the shootout at Waco.
The morning before Easter last year, Shirley Burton, this is now Washington
Post, Shirley Burton, spokeswoman for the Seventh-day Adventist Church, said she got
a terrifying phone call.
On the line was a church official in Australia, relaying a warning that the
next day an explosion of violence would occur in a Waco, Texas cult that included
dozens of former Adventists.
The man got the warning from parents of a cult member.
The parents had just worded that there would be a suicide massacre, Burton said,
adding that her mind filled with images of the 1978 murder-suicide of Jim Jones and
900 of his followers in Guyana.
Church authorities tipped off Waco police and Easter passed without incident.
But peace came to a bloody end this past Sunday when sect members began a shootout
with federal agents.
And then, from Newsweek, March 15, 1993, last spring, officials of the
Seventh-day Adventist Church heard from colleagues in Sydney that the Branch
Davidians were planning a mass suicide for Easter Sunday.
About the same time, the State Department got word from sources in Australia that
Koresh's group was stockpiling arms and planning suicide.
State passed it on to ATF, which began its investigation in June.
So it seems that the General Conference was the agent that started the
investigation.
Can you believe this?
The General Conference was the ones who were instrumental and tipped off ATF and
the law enforcement and were instrumental in this Waco tragedy.
And now they're comparing all of us, the independent ministries.
I have two letters right now from church pastors, newsletters of their congregation
comparing the independent ministries to the Waco cult.
It has happened all over, John.
We have heard reports from all over the world that now...
Notice how Satan uses this kind of a thing.
Basically, what we have is allegations against Koresh.
And they're allegations, is what they are, and we have to remember that.
And how much they were trumped up beyond reality, we don't know.
And we'll probably never know fully.
But the devil loves to use this kind of thing so that he can then compare that to
others that are not part of his strategy to bring everyone together in the
ecumenical movement.
So people are horrified and terrified to be considered anything different than
mainline ecumenical church members.
And so the leadership of our church, we heard report after report of them going
to the media, or the media coming to them, and they would give a report saying,
Oh, we are in the middle of the mainstream of the churches.
And the very next day after the incident began at Waco, a conference president went
on the air and likened the independents, anyone that separates from the main body,
as being like David Koresh.
Well now, what in the world is that kind of thinking?
We are to orient to the Word of God.
That's our orientation point.
Not the structure.
Amen.
Not a structure.
Amen.
And so mainline Adventism has to be defined and determined by the Word of God.
Not by a structure that can change.
We know the papacy was a structure that went into deep apostasy.
And so our reference point always has to be the Word of God.
You know, this is so
incredible that they are trying to label us all with David Koresh and Waco.
But I guess, Bob, we've just got to realize it's going to get a whole lot
worse than this.
They are going to try to malign us and smear us and tie us in with every devious
deceptive thing on the face of the earth.
This is just the beginning of woes.
This is just... Well, John, you know, it's interesting to see what happens to
society.
We're sitting here at Mt.
Rushmore and when we look at those faces there of Washington, Jefferson,
and Lincoln, and Teddy Roosevelt.
Back in the early days of our country, we had a society that was oriented to the
Word of God.
They believed in a creator God.
They had a deep orientation to biblical morality.
But that has been devastated through the agencies that we've been discussing in
Jesuit Agenda tapes.
And so now we have a situation similar to what happened in Germany just before
Hitler took control, where you have the left wing and the right wing and virtually
no one who is a stable Bible-believing Christian who is oriented in submission to
the Word of the Lord, like the entire society was to a large extent back in
those days.
Now we've got the left wing pushing us toward socialism with our government.
We've got the right wing radicals.
But where we have to be is right there with the Word of God.
Mainline Adventism, right there with the Word of God and submission to Jesus in the
everlasting gospel.
Well, Bob, it's so plain that this is the beginning of sorrows.
And we have to strengthen each other and stand together as historic Adventists.
And we are mainstream Adventists.
This is the mainstream Adventism.
Mainstream does not mean the majority.
Mainstream means our historic Adventist beliefs.
And I tell you, as we realize how things are shaping up so quickly, we as historic
Adventists are beginning to see just how the devil is manipulating society and the
corporate structure to put us into a persecuted environment to where people
will come against us thinking that they are doing God's service by doing away with
us.
And this has happened to Adventists all over.
We have had loads of reports of people saying, you know, this thing has actually
backfired against the general content to a large degree.
And yet, John, if there are indeed Jesuits functioning there, we're seeing the
evidence of Jesuit infiltration.
We're sure seeing the evidence of it.
Of their thought patterns and philosophies, and that's what we've been
discussing.
But actual Jesuit infiltrators would be happy to have the name smeared of the
institution they're trying to destroy.
And they can kill two birds with one stone, try to liken the independence to
Koresh, and also smear the general name of Seventh-day Adventism.
Tell me how the ATF plays in all this, Bob.
You know, this is part of the war on drugs.
It is very interesting that 60 Minutes put out a documentary on the ATF for about 20
minutes of one of their 60 Minutes programs.
And they showed a dear old couple.
The couple could hardly tell of the experience.
They were still so shaken.
And they lived way out in the country.
They had a lovely ranch home there.
They had a friendly dog.
But one night, there were eight burly men that came and started beating the door
down.
And they demanded that the door be opened.
And this man said, I'm not going to open the door.
I don't know who you are.
Isn't that what you would do?
So they smashed the door down.
They grabbed the man.
They smashed down another door at the place.
They grabbed the man, tied him up, threw him in a room, threw his wife in
another room, ransacked the house, searched it through and through,
and didn't find a thing.
And they showed another man who had, in the middle of the night, they even shot
through his front door.
Innocent.
Innocent case.
The man's shoulder has been largely wrecked for the rest of his life.
And he's suing the government now.
And they showed case after case.
And what is happening, John, is a very interesting thing because ATF is using
drug tip-off men who are criminals themselves.
Taking their word against...
And they are given immunity in return for working with them.
And they are deeply into drugs themselves.
60 Minutes said they don't know how many millions.
They said it could be going to infinity.
The amount of corruption is actually being carried out by these informants
themselves.
And the informants will give bad tips.
And then innocent people will be attacked in the middle of the night.
And our constitutional freedoms are being rapidly erased by the war on drugs.
What about Shirley Burton or any other spokesman for the General Conference or
for any local conference calling and telling law enforcement, ATF, about these
independent ministers, about these cults that are out there.
And they are worse than David Korsh.
I have several letters that say we are worse than David Korsh.
And tipping off law enforcement.
And that's why it says, in Spalding McGann's collection, page 5 I believe it
is, where Mrs. White tells us that our own people will sell us out to the Catholics.
Our own brothers will be our worst persecutors.
And now the people who are passing out great controversy are made out to be more
dangerous people than David Korsh by our structure.
This is amazing.
But we need to have great calm and peace in the Lord.
Jesus himself was maligned.
They said he was demon possessed.
He was possessed of the prince of demons.
They said he's a demoniac.
Why do you listen to him?
And so Jesus has been through all of this.
He's acquainted with everything that troubles and annoys and is misrepresented
on the part of the devil's agents.
He's been through it all.
And we can safely follow him through this whole holocaust that is developing at the
end of time.
Well folks, we've got to read and study like we've never read or studied before.
We have got to press together like we have never pressed together before.
And I tell you, we don't need people behind us.
We need people with us.
Shoulder to shoulder, standing together in these trying hours of earth's history.
Pray for us at Prophecy Countdown.
Pray for them at Biblical Studies Institute.
Pray for them at Steps to Life.
Those of us that are endeavoring to stand firm for the truth.
Our supporters, you dear people.
Bob, thanks so much for being on this video with us.
Thanks so much for Jesuit Agenda 4.
Thanks so much for this camp meeting.
Thanks so much for standing for the truth.
I love you.
We love you too, John.
It's been wonderful working with you.
Thank you, Bob.
Can't wait to get this video taped out to our people.
They're waiting for it.
They need to be strengthened by it.
Thank you.
May God bless you.
Well, Bob, we don't know how many of these Jesuit Agenda videos we're going to have.
Whether there's going to even be a Jesuit Agenda 5.
But we're glad that you're here.
Glad that you shared with our Adventist people what you did today.
Until next time, Adventist friends, may God bless you.