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In just a few moments, I'll be
interviewing Elder Bob Trebs as we tape

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Jesuit Agenda 4.

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But before we do, I just want Ralph
Henderson to kind of set the mood.

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He's going to sing a beautiful number
entitled, They Will Know.

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They

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will speak,

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they will send prophets among them That
they might hear, that they might see And

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understand how much I love

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them They will know

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with me, and be my people

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They will scourge, and carry out vengeance
upon them They will heal the wounds I

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make, and tenderly take them

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This is heaven, it is...

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Well, Bob, it's been almost a year since
we taped Jesuit Agenda 3.

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I know a lot of water's gone under the
bridge, brother.

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As you have called me from time to time
and told me the things that were

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happening, and you've sent stuff to our
ministry over the fax machine,

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we've just been boggled at the things that
we've seen taking place.

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That has lent credence to everything that
you have said in the previous three Jesuit

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Agenda videos.

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I know you have a lot to show us today,
but before we go any farther, let's ask

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the Lord's Holy Spirit to give us special
wisdom.

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Let's kneel, and Bob, will you lead us in
prayer?

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Gracious Father in heaven, as we talk
together today, and as we contemplate thy

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word, and the great principles of
Protestantism, and the everlasting gospel,

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and the struggle that is ensuing in this
world, leading into the final events,

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we pray that the Holy Spirit will be
present in our hearts and in our minds.

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Help us to affix these principles of
Protestantism to our hearts, that we may

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emerge triumphant out of the days that are
descending upon this world, that we will

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stand fast in the Papal New World Order
that is emerging around us, that we will

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have insight from the Holy Spirit to
discern the legal agenda that is

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developing, the various machinations
against thy truth that will ultimately

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place your people where they will have
neither mercy nor justice.

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That's right.

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But Lord, we pray that through it all,
that our faith will be strengthened as we

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see these signs of the times, that our
courage will rise with the emergency,

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and that the Holy Spirit will become very
powerful, that the weak may become like

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David, and that we may be valiant for thy
truth upon this earth in these last days.

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Yes, Lord.

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Bless John and his ministry here,
and bless us as we speak together and

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commune about the things of God today,
is our prayer, in Jesus' name,

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amen.

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Amen.

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Jesuit Agenda 4.

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Did you ever think, back when you and I
taped Jesuit Agenda, the Jesuit Agenda,

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we didn't even call it Part 1,
we just called it the Jesuit Agenda for

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the Seventh-day Adventist Church.

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Did you ever believe we'd be taping a
Jesuit Agenda 4, Bob?

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Didn't know it, John.

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In fact, we didn't even have a title for
it when we taped it.

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That emerged in your mind as you were
editing it.

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That's true.

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And that is one thing that I'd really like
to address today.

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What is the Jesuit order all about?

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We talk about the Jesuits, but what is
their history?

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What is the principle on which they
operate?

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What is their moral code?

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What do we need to look for?

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And I've often said that it's not even
necessary for one Jesuit to be planted in

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the Adventist Church in order for us to
follow the Jesuit Agenda.

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All that has to happen is for leading men
to go out to schools where they imbibe of

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the principles of the Jesuit order...

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That's very important.

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...and bring them back in and teach them.

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And through the principle of obedience to
one's superior throughout our

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organization, which is a Jesuit principle
also in the hierarchical system,

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the whole denomination can become leavened
to the point where they are blinded and

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they can no longer see the truth and no
longer see the signs of the times.

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The whole nation can become blinded.

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You see, this is what leadership is saying
in the structure.

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They're saying, oh, you know, Bob Trebs
and John Otter, they think there's a

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Jesuit hiding behind every bush,
you know.

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And, oh, our colleges have Jesuits all in
everything.

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You know, they ah-ha, they guffaw,
you know.

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All it takes... really not even one.

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Right.

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You know, what you just said is so true.

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It's just a modus operandi, a technique,
a principle that is brought in.

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And with this attitude of following your
superiors, it infiltrates the entire

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structure without the whole organization
being riddled with Jesuits per se.

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It's just the concept.

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And having said that, we know that there
have been Jesuits.

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I understand now that the structure is
trying to contest the idea that B.G.

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Wilkinson fired a Jesuit.

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But it just so happens that my mother was
his secretary.

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And she, in fact, typed much of the
manuscript for the truth triumphant.

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I have the book right here.

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You know, Bob, you said something to me
yesterday that has really got me thinking.

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You said exactly what I did in my last
taping with Terry Ross.

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I don't know how many of you have seen New
Age 4, but it got to the place that I went

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into overload.

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I had to leave the set.

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And Terry finished taping New Age 4 by
himself.

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Because it just finally got to the
place...

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I felt like I had to have waders on.

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And I was just wading through the
conference sewer.

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You know, I just went into overload,
and I just couldn't take it anymore.

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And I had to leave the set.

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And poor Terry, I left him here by
himself.

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He had to finish taping New Age Adventism
4 by himself.

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And I was talking to you yesterday,
and you said, John, that's almost the way

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I feel.

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I am so sick of wading through this Jesuit
stuff and seeing.

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And the more I uncover, the more I find.

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And the more I find, the more I uncover.

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And it just keeps getting deeper and
deeper.

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And it's just getting to the place where
you don't even want to delve into this

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stuff anymore.

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Because it's just becoming so nauseating
to you.

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Yet, Bob, it's the same thing that Terry
Ross and I have come to realize.

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That our people have to know.

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You know, we just have to pray for
strength and continue to wade through this

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stuff.

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Because our people have to know.

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If we don't tell them, they think
everything is all right.

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So what have you got to show us today?

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Well, just carrying on the thought that we
had there.

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My mother was B.G.

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Wilkinson's secretary.

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And at that very time, when this Jesuit
was uncovered and expelled, Dr. Floyd

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Rittenhouse was the academic dean.

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My mother knew him very well.

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She knew both men very well.

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She knew the story, and before she passed
away, she was out in Loma Linda attending

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a banquet at which Dr. Floyd Rittenhouse
was present.

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And she asked him about the story,
whether it was true or not, to reconfirm

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it in her mind.

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And he said, absolutely.

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He said, I was the academic dean at that
time.

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The structure now is trying to deny that
there ever has been any Jesuit presence.

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I also have on a tape entitled The
Witnesses, available from our ministry,

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an account, an audio account, a telephone
conversation with a lady who was a dear

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friend of my mother who told of the
uncovering of a student Jesuit infiltrator

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at Washington Missionary College.

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And we have a number of accounts of it.

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But the point that impresses itself on my
mind is the necessity of understanding the

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principles involved in the conflict.

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And if we can identify those, and we can
make a distinction between Protestant

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principles and papal principles,
Jesuit principles, in fact today the order

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Opus Dei has three times the number of
members as the Jesuit order.

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And whereas the Jesuit order works more in
the field of high political intrigue,

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educational endeavor, to bring about
intellectual conversion of whole

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populations, to change the thinking
processes using the weapon of philosophy,

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and works more in the intellectual sphere,
at least in the 20th century, Opus Dei is

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interested in controlling the media.

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They are more the foot soldiers.

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And in many respects they have taken on a
character very similar to the order of the

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Jesuits when it was first founded.

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And Pope John Paul II is very favorable to
Opus Dei.

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He loves them.

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And as I say, they control hundreds of
organs of the media, newspapers,

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magazines, radio stations, TV stations.

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And so they operate in a fashion to
control the masses through the media.

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So Opus Dei is a Roman Catholic
organization controlling the media?

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Yes.

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Let me get a book here, John.

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Now, have you explained Opus Dei to us
before, Bob?

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It seems I've heard the term.

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Well, I don't know that I've mentioned it.

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Here is a book, Opus Dei, an investigation
into the secret society struggling for

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power within the Roman Catholic Church.

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There are many Roman Catholics that are
very fearful of Opus Dei.

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It's become so powerful it is even more
secretive than the Jesuits.

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Now, how old is this organization?

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This organization is about 60 years old,
60 or 70 years old.

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Well, it's relatively new.

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Relatively new, and already it looks like
its founder is very close to being

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canonized.

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And so this is another organization,
another arm of Catholicism that is

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organized for gaining control of the world
through controlling the thinking processes

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of the people through what they're exposed
to in the media.

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And this is a very interesting thing.

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When you consider what the people are
being exposed to in the media today,

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for instance, in the Serbian-Croatian
conflict, those who know the history of

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that know that it has been historically a
struggle between the Greek Orthodox Church

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and the Roman Catholic Church.

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And what Rome wanted to do, way back as
far as about 1917-1918, was to create a

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Roman Catholic buffer state in central
Europe involving Austria, and Bavaria,

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and Croatia, and the various Catholic
areas, and to use that as a means of

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projecting power and insulating Europe
from the communist revolution that had

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taken place.

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It just boggles my mind that in almost
every hot spot of the world we find

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underlying the Roman Catholic Churches
involved in it.

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I mean, for you to mention Croatia and how
the Roman Catholic Church is involved in

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that, I mean, is there any battle,
any war, any conflict going on on earth

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that the Roman Catholic Church is not
behind the scenes working?

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You know, let me read you a text on this,
John.

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This is a text that has often captured my
imagination.

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Because in Revelation 18, where the fall
and destruction of Babylon is found,

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at the end of the chapter it says,
And the light of a candle shall shine no

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more at all in thee, and the voice of the
bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard

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no more at all in thee.

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For thy merchants were the great men of
the earth, for by thy sorceries were all

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nations deceived.

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By whose sorceries?

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The papal sorceries.

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And what kind of sorceries are these?

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Spiritual and intellectual sorceries to
subvert their allegiance to the Lord and

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to the principles of the Bible.

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And in her was found the blood of prophets
and of saints and of all that were slain

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upon the earth.

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So look how the Bible lays the charge of
the blood of all that were slain upon the

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earth at the feet of what power?

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The thing that is amazing is that,
I don't know how much our viewers know,

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but the major conflict we are embroiled in
right now in Orlando over the great

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controversy of billboards that are all
over town.

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David Mould's ministry, Lehman for
Religious Liberty, has got these

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billboards up all over town.

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Why is the papacy trying to change our
Constitution?

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And the uproar that is created here in
central Florida and in Orlando,

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and of course the Florida Conference and
the Union and the General Conference have

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all gotten involved, and they are calling
and writing the archdiocese and all the

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churches here and all the religious
commentators getting on talk shows,

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both on TV and radio, telling them that
they have nothing to do with this and that

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this is a hate campaign and everything
else, and that this is not sponsored by

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the quote Seventh-day Adventist Church.

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And they are just buddy-buddying up to the
papacy, unbelievably.

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You know that we are all Christian
brothers and putting their arms around

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them, and yet we find what the papacy is
really doing.

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Then we find what our prophet has told us,
the stance that we should take against the

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Roman papacy in the last days.

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Yes, we love the people, but we despise
the institution.

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And we are finding such a kissing up to
the papacy among the leadership of the

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structure.

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It's just unbelievable.

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We have forgotten who we are in our
Seventh-day Adventist message.

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And that's what we want to address today.

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And John, there's another factor with this
media business.

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It's recognized by constitutional lawyer
Nancy Lord and others that this situation,

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this standoff in Waco, Texas, is a
media-driven event.

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It was a thing that was actually even
almost created by the media.

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Why would the media want to do that?

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We want to look at this later on in the
video today, because what we are

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witnessing on the world, the Pope has
called for a new economic, political,

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geopolitical economic structure to be
imposed upon the world, which is different

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than socialism and capitalism,
or communism and capitalism.

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A third way.

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And what we are watching now is a
socialist type of legal agenda and code

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that is being imposed with draconian
penalties around the world, labeled

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environmentalism.

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And if you kill a bird, you get a penalty
worse than if you kill a man.

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And if you violate the Clean Air Act,
you can have 450 years in prison.

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Many lifetimes.

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And so we want to look at what is behind
this.

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What is behind the fact that we have a
Jesuit-trained president now?

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And the mother of all Jesuit schools.

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We want to look at all that.

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But John, first of all, as we're going
into this, I'd like to read a passage from

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J.A.

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Wiley.

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Ellen White loved Wiley.

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She quotes him.

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He was one of her favorite authors in
Great Controversy, next to Dalbigny,

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probably.

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And we're carrying his set on the history
of Protestantism, making it available to

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the people.

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Oh, you sent that to me for Christmas,
Bob.

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Both parts one and part two, those big
yellow volumes.

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They are wonderful.

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See, our burden, as yours is, is not just
to expose the wickedness of the man of

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sin, but to point the people to salvation
and to point them to the true everlasting

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gospel, which is at the foundation of the
three angels' messages.

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And so we must not only know what the man
of sin is doing, we must not only read the

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signs of the times, but we must know what
the Lord wants to do in our hearts.

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And how with Protestantism, with genuine
Protestantism, when we understand and

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accept that principle, we have something
more powerful than the Jesuit order,

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than Opus Dei, than all of Catholicism and
apostate Protestantism and spiritualism

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combined.

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This is the most powerful force in the
world because it is the graft from heaven

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on human nature that empowers us with
omnipotent power to do the will of God and

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to gain victory over sin and to transform
the hearts of men.

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So, I'd like to just read something that
Wiley says here in Volume 1 of the History

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of Protestantism.

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This is page 2.

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Now, Bob, has Biblical Studies Institute
reprinted this?

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No, we're just carrying it.

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Oh, you're just carrying it.

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For a gift...

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Now, you reprinted...

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We reprinted Daubigny's...

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Yeah, History of the Reformation.

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I don't know that I've shown that,
John.

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Let me show that.

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Well, let's see that.

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I mean, I'm just flabbergasted that
Biblical Studies Institute, that your

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ministry would undertake such a mammoth
project.

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And I think it's wonderful, though.

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I mean, obviously God has inspired and
moved you to do that.

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And not only have you reprinted Daubigny's
History of the Reformation, but also this

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Adventist Apocalypse that Diane and I are
reading every morning for our personal

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devotions and loving.

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Well, we sure enjoy working with you,
John, here at Prophecy Countdown.

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It's always a tremendous inspiration for
us to come down here.

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This is the History of the Reformation
that we just reprinted.

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History of the Reformation of the 16th
Century by J.H.

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Merle Daubigny.

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It went out of print in 1990, and there
were so many people that wanted to have

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it.

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Ellen White and James would spend Sabbath
afternoon reading this for hours at a

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time.

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And Ellen White found the passages in here
that she included in Great Controversy

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that precisely described what she had seen
and envisioned in the Great Controversy

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vision.

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It's just thrilling.

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And hundreds and hundreds of people have
ordered this already from us.

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Praise the Lord.

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Put them out by the hundreds.

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And here is the Adventist Apocalypse that
we have just printed.

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Wonderful book.

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This is from the files of the letters and
manuscripts written by Ellen White.

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You know, one thing, John, that really hit
me in reading this was the emphasis that

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she places repeatedly on memorizing the
Word of God because the Bible will be

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taken away from us.

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And one very interesting comment that she
has here, this is all about end-time

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events, is how at the end of time,
when Jesus comes a second time,

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the righteous will come out of the caves
to meet their Lord, and the wicked will go

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into the very same caves, and even there
they will be confronted with the truth

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because they will find the periodicals
left behind by the righteous when they

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came out of the caves.

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So, this is a thrilling book, and we've
just printed thousands of them,

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and there are loads and loads of people
interested in getting it.

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We're making that available to our
Adventist people, something they never had

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before.

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Where do we start in all of this,
Bob?

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I just want to do a few preliminaries here
first.

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While we're talking about books,
this is a new one that we are...

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and we want to talk about this in our
video today.

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This is the Kulakov file.

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Now, this is still a prototype that we
bound in our own ministry, but shortly

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we'll have thousands of them
professionally printed.

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This is from the correspondence between
Russia and the General Conference

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regarding Kulakov, and we want to discuss
that today.

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88 pages of pure documentation from the
secret files of the General Conference.

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Bob, Robert Falkenberg has been going
around the world telling congregations

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that Bob Trebs and John Osborne have made
up all this stuff about Kulakov being a

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KGB agent, that it's a big lie,
that he is just a faithful, true and

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faithful Adventist that would not think of
having anything to do with the KGB.

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These files, this file, this Kulakov
file...

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Now, from what I understand, it was a
secret file that somebody from the General

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Conference, one of our secret supporters
at the General Conference, photocopied,

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sent out, and it just mysteriously
appeared in the mailbox of a true and

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faithful Adventist that they knew would
get it to you or to I, and that these

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photocopied files just happened to show up
one day showing the duplicity of the

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General Conference in working together
with the KGB and with Kulakov,

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how they were so deeply involved in this,
undeniably involved.

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Well, for people who want to have the
actual facts and the truth of the matter,

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apparently there was a man who had access
to this.

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We think we know who it might be,
but we're not certain yet.

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It even looks like perhaps some of it was
taken right off of the computers,

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you know, computer letters that had been
written.

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Whoever it was, bless their heart.

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And it just showed up in a brown envelope
one day at a friend of mine's desk at his

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work.

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And it was completely anonymous,
no return address or anything.

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And he passed it on to us.

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So now the people can know what the truth
of the matter really is.

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We want to get to the bottom of these
things, don't we, John?

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It gives us a lot of peace to know what
the truth is, doesn't it?

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I'll be very honest with you, it's
nauseating to see the depths to which this

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thing goes.

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But on the other hand, it's peace saying,
Thank you, Lord, for showing us the truth.

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You know, it's kind of like Ezekiel.

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You know, Ezekiel 8, when he went into the
temple and he was just so nauseated by the

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apostasy he saw and all the pagan symbols
and the depths of the sin to which the

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leadership had taken the people.

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But God said, Ezekiel, dig deeper,
go farther.

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You haven't seen anything yet.

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You think you've seen bad stuff?

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You haven't seen anything yet.

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And that's exactly the way it is,
is we delve into this stuff, both with

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celebration, with the neuro-linguistic
programming, now with this Jesuit agenda.

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The deeper we dig, God says, listen,
you haven't seen anything yet.

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Just keep digging.

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And the more that you dig into this Jesuit
agenda, the thing you were telling me

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yesterday, it just becomes nauseating.

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Yet, on the other hand, it's the
vindication of everything we have said

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thus far.

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Praise God's holy name.

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And what it does, John, I think the
purpose, one of the purposes of God in

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allowing us to discover these things is it
places in sharp relief the difference

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between the everlasting gospel and the
principles of corruption, of the papacy

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and apostate Protestantism and
spiritualism.

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And it enables us to go forward with
greater and keener strength.

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And I'm continually impressed over and
over again with the vision that Ellen

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White had in her early days where she was
looking for the people of God and Ellen

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White was told by the angel, look again
and look a little higher.

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She wasn't looking high enough.

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And that tells us something too,
John.

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The Lord's people, the Lord's adamant
people are not down here being mixed up

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with celebration and the world and the
worldly music and the worldly principles

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of the papacy.

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Drama.

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Drama and NLP and all of that type of
thing.

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They're not down here.

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They're far above.

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We don't even look high enough for them
when we first look for them.

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And if the prophet had a problem looking
high enough for them, we certainly need to

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take heed to that and realize that the
Lord has a pure people that he is

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preparing for heaven.

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They're on a higher plane, a totally
different plane.

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They're not getting mixed up with all this
other stuff.

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Well, I want to start in here,
John, first of all on a positive note.

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And my feeling is that what galvanizes me
and strengthens me to even study these

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things is the time that I spend with the
Lord and with the truth.

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We have to have big, massive doses of the
truth in order to be able to even handle

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looking at some of these things.

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So, let's look at the definition of
Protestantism by J.A.

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Wiley.

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And first, I'd like to just tell who this
man is.

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And this tells us how far we've sunk.

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Do we have a professor that teaches about
the papacy today?

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That really exposes the papacy and the
Jesuit order?

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You see, he was a professor that lectured
on the papacy.

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He was an expert.

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He was a Scottish man, born in Scotland in
1808.

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And he was a prolific writer on Protestant
themes.

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He wrote the History of Protestantism,
which is almost 2,000 pages, published in

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1878.

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And here we have a picture of the kind of
Protestantism that Ellen White was a

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participant in and a member of.

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A Protestantism that was clear about
Protestant principles and that wanted to

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have nothing to do with the papacy.

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The idea of inviting the papal
representative, the chief ecumenical

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officer of the Archdiocese of Indiana,
to a general conference session would have

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been unthinkable.

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Mrs. White said they taught their children
to abhor perpery.

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That's right.

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Page 2.

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It is true, no doubt, that Protestantism,
strictly viewed, is simply a principle.

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It is not a policy.

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It is not an empire, having its fleets and
armies, its officers and tribunals,

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wherewith to extend its dominion and make
its authority be obeyed.

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It is not even a church, with its
hierarchies and synods and edicts.

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It is simply a principle.

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But it is the greatest of all principles.

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It is a creative power.

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Its plastic influence is all-embracing.

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It penetrates into the heart and renews
the individual.

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It goes down to the depths, and by its
omnipotent but noiseless energy,

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vivifies and regenerates society.

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You know, when I think of that,
John, our Constitution in this nation is a

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product of Protestant principles.

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Absolutely.

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And the reason why every Republican and
Protestant principle is going to be

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repudiated is because of the acceptance of
papal principles.

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All you have to do is go into Washington,
D.C., look at the pillars in the Library

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of Congress, and all the statesmen,
there are famous sayings of each

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statesman, they were Protestants,
they were godly, God-fearing men.

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Our nation is based on Protestant
principles.

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Now, you just got back from Russia,
John.

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Yes.

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And what did you see there?

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I saw a country that had went into a time
warp in 1970, 1917 with the Bolshevik

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Revolution, that had been atheistic now
for over 70 years, and the degradation of

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their society is based because they've had
no God.

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That's it.

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They have no atheism, they have no morals,
they don't know right from wrong.

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It's just whether you get caught or not,
and it is an evaluation.

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It is the product of a country that has
been without God for over 70 years.

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And that's what Saul's Hennesson said.

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He said, we had the Gulag Archipelago
because we forgot God.

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Right.

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And there's many ways of forgetting the
true God.

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That's absolutely what has happened in our
country, shamefully.

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It thus becomes, that is Protestantism,
thus becomes the creator of all that is

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true and lovely and great.

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What is the nation that has accepted
Protestant principles more than any other?

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The United States.

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The United States.

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Absolutely.

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And what is the nation that has been the
dynamo of liberty, the dynamo of

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invention, the dynamo of everything that
makes life dear to the human heart?

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The land of the free, the home of the
brave.

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Exactly.

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And when you came back from Russia,
you were...

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Oh, I wanted to kiss the ground.

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When we came through customs in Miami,
I was singing, God bless America,

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and they all started laughing.

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I see why people get down off the ramp and
kiss the ground when they come to America.

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Sure.

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I had the same experience coming back from
teaching in Africa.

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I went around to one public school after
another.

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They asked me to speak, and I told them,
you have no idea...

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No idea.

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...how grateful you can be to have a
heritage of Protestantism, a heritage of

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the Bible in your culture, where you live
in a culture where for hundreds of years,

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there has been an exposure to Protestant
and Biblical teachings and principles

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being accepted by society.

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We want to look today at how this has just
flipped inside out.

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It thus becomes the creator of all that is
true and lovely and great, the founder of

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free kingdoms and the mother of pure
churches.

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Amen.

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How do you like that?

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Amen.

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The globe itself, it claims as a stage not
too wide for the manifestation of its

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beneficent action.

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And the whole domain of terrestrial
affairs, it deems a sphere not too vast to

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fill with its spirit and rule by its law.

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And that's what happened with our
Constitution.

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The principles of Protestantism got into
the hearts and minds of the people and

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worked themselves out in the political
sphere.

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And that's why we have in Revelation 13...

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I want to just read it here, John.

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Revelation 13, this beautiful picture of a
lamb-like beast coming up.

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Revelation 13, verse 11, And I beheld
another beast coming up out of the earth,

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and he had two horns like a lamb,
lamb-like, Christ-like, Protestant

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principles of republicanism and
Protestantism.

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But he spake as a dragon.

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And we're looking today, Lord willing,
in this taping, we're wanting to look at

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how America's already starting to speak as
a dragon.

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Oh, I'll say.

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Dropping down a little bit further here,
Protestantism is not solely the outcome of

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human progress.

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And many people are confused about this.

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It is no mere principle of perfectibility
inherent in humanity, such as the

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Communists like to believe in.

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And ranking as one of its native powers,
in virtue of which when society becomes

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corrupt it can purify itself, and when it
is arrested in its course by some external

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force or stops from exhaustion,
it can recruit its energies and set

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forward anew on its path.

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It is neither the product of the
individual reason, nor the result of the

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joint thought and energies of the species.

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Protestantism is a principle which has its
origin outside human society.

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It is a divine graft on the intellectual
and moral nature of man, whereby new

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vitalities and forces are introduced into
it.

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John, and this is what the true
independent ministries are all about,

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isn't it?

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Do you feel that divine force that's
grafted on humanity?

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That's what's the driving force of the
true...

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And I think that's what separates us from
nominal Adventism more than anything else.

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And the nominal independent ministry.

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Our people have to make it...

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You see, our people are coming to a
realization that in everything God divides

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into twos.

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You know, He divides into twos between the
righteous and the wicked.

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And then He divides the righteous into
twos.

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And, you know, there keeps going a
dividing, a shaking, a dividing

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continually.

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God is continually dividing things up into
twos.

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And the same thing that happened in the
structure is now happening in the

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independent ministries.

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That's right.

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And to me, this is the most important
difference between the true, biblical,

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historic Seventh-day Adventist and the
nominal Adventism that is awash in NLP and

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celebration and all of that.

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It's not just that we don't believe in
celebration.

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It's not just that we don't believe in NLP
and that we see a problem with cozying up

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to the papacy.

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It's that we see a problem with that
because we have accepted this principle.

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And this principle is so dear to our
hearts.

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And this is what separates us and drives
us onward up that upward path toward

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heaven.

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It is a divine graft on the intellectual
and moral nature of man whereby new

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vitalities and forces are introduced into
it and the human stem yields henceforth a

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nobler fruit.

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You know, we're going to be talking today,
John, about some pretty serious

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developments that are taking place in the
executive branch of our government in the

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thinking of the people that is reproducing
the very scenario which was in Germany

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when Hitler took over.

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We're going to be looking at very grave
things.

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But through it all, John, we have to
realize that when we take hold of true

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Protestantism, we have taken hold of
something far more powerful than all of

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these other things.

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And it's going to lighten the earth with
its glory.

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Just like the fourth angel of Revelation
18, Bob, every interview that I've had

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with you has just been mind-boggling.

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I mean, sometimes I just have to tell the
cameras to stop and I just have to let my

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mind absorb.

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People call us and tell us that in
watching these Jesuaginda videos that they

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will have to stop and go back and see
something again.

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And maybe sometimes they'll have to view
the video three or four times before it

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finally starts sinking in.

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And Bob, you just have to understand that
the Lord has given you such a brilliant

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mind and you have been through so much of
this stuff that you have to be

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long-suffering with some of us as we try
to hang on for dear life as you take us

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through some of this stuff.

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Because it's just sometimes more than our
minds can absorb.

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It's so mind-boggling.

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Well, that's the way I feel when I'm doing
this studying, John.

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Riding out here on the plane, I was
studying a new book.

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I had just gotten my Ph.D.

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on the New World Order.

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Every page is loaded with documentation.

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And this documentation was so
mind-boggling.

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At one point, I put my thumb on one of the
quotes and I stuck it back to Barbara,

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my wife, sitting behind me on the plane.

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I said, read that.

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And she read it.

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And then she said, how can you read this
stuff for hours?

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How can you take it?

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But I tell you, the most sinister thing is
developing in this world but yet we live

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above it because of this principle of
Protestantism.

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It is the descent of a heaven-born
influence which allies itself with all the

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instincts and powers of the individual
with all the laws and cravings of society

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and which, quickening both the individual
and the social being into a new life and

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directing their efforts to nobler objects
permits the highest development of which

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humanity is capable and the fullest
possible accomplishment of all its grand

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ends.

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In a word, Protestantism is revived
Christianity.

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Bob, do you believe through our Jesuit
Agenda videos and look at these two huge

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volumes, the history of Protestantism do
you believe that our people are beginning

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to appreciate what it means to be a true
Protestant?

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I pray that we all do, John, because it is
the most exciting thing in the world.

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You get up in the morning, you are in
touch with the most powerful, the most

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vibrant, the most significant,
deepest, profoundest principle that there

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is.

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Do we really understand how grateful we
should be to God to be a Protestant?

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That's right.

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And you see, if we are a Protestant,
we will...

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being a Protestant means that we protest
against the papacy.

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You can't be a Protestant without
protesting against the papacy.

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That's what a Protestant is.

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It's part and parcel of it.

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And to realize what a glorious gift God
has given us to be Protestants,

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to be Protestants.

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That's what God has called us to be.

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And when true Protestantism reached its
prime, the papacy trembled.

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At one time the people, the masses,
trembled at the feet of the papacy.

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But when true Protestantism was grafted on
the hearts of the people and it set the

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northern European peoples free,
the papacy shook in its boots at the sight

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of men who were fearless.

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Fearless.

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And they couldn't control them.

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They couldn't make them submit to their
power.

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Does that strike a chord with you?

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Because that's exactly what the conference
men, they say.

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They say, that John Osborne, he's
uncontrollable and he's scared of nothing.

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You know, that's what a Protestant is.

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That's right.

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You know, a Protestant is not fearful.

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A Protestant dares to protest.

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And you see, there are only two groups.

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You're either a Catholic or a Protestant.

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If you're not protesting, then you're a
Catholic.

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That's right.

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And you think our people have grasped that
yet, Bob?

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This is the message we've been trying to
get across, folks.

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I think thousands are grasping it.

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I just, our ministry just got a call
yesterday, and I understand I'm about to

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even be more distinguished than you,
John.

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Oh, how's that?

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Because I'm about to be disfellowshipped a
second time.

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Oh, bless your heart.

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You're ahead of me.

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Okay.

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Now, here on page 125, this liberty that
we talk about with religious liberty,

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with liberty of conscience, is grounded in
the authority of God.

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And I want to read something here about
Wycliffe.

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Wycliffe was virtually unsurpassed as a
Reformer.

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And Wiley here says, It was under Wycliffe
that English liberty had its beginnings.

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It is not the political constitution which
has come out of the Magna Carta of King

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John and the Barons, but the moral
constitution which came out of that divine

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Magna Carta that Wycliffe gave her in the
14th century, which has been the sheet

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anchor of England.

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The English Bible wrote not merely upon
the page of the statute book, but upon the

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hearts of the people of England,
the two great commandments, fear God,

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honor the King.

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These two sum up the whole duty of
nations, and on these two hangs the

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prosperity of states.

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There is no mysterious or latent virtue in
our political constitution, and we might

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say here in America, in our U.S.

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Constitution, which, as some seem to
think, like a good genius, protects us,

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and with invisible hand guides past our
shores the tempests that cover other

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countries with the memorials of their
devastating fury.

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The real secret of England's greatness is
her permeation, and he's writing here in

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the 19th century, at the very dawn of her
history with the principles of order and

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liberty by means of the English Bible and
the capacity for freedom thereby created.

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This has permitted the development by
equal stages of our love for freedom and

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our submission to law, of our political
constitution and our national genius,

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of our power and our self-control,
the two sets of qualities fitting into one

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another and growing into a well-compacted
fabric of political and moral power

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unexampled on earth.

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If nowhere else is seen a similar
structure so stable and so lofty,

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it's because nowhere else has a similar
basis been found for it.

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It was Wycliffe that laid that basis.

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And then he goes on and says, But above
all his other qualities, above his

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scholastic genius, his intuitive insight
into the working of institutions,

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his statesmanship was his fearless
submission to the Bible.

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So see, liberty has to be grounded in the
Bible.

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Otherwise it becomes license and it's
weak.

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But a liberty that is grounded in the
sovereignty of God, in a fearless

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submission to the Bible, is unconquerable.

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It was in this that the strength of
Wycliffe's wisdom lay.

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It was this that made him a Reformer and
that placed him in the first rank of

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Reformers.

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He held the Bible to contain a perfect
revelation of the will of God,

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a full, plain and infallible rule of both
what man is to believe and what he is to

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do.

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And John, when I hear your videos,
I praise the Lord, because this is what

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you're calling people back to,
this fearless submission to the Bible.

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And turning away from all other teachers,
from the precedence of the thousand years

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which had gone before, from all the
doctors and councils of the Church,

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he placed himself before the Word of God
and bowed to God's voice speaking in that

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word with the docility of a child.

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You know, when we bow to the Word of God,
John, it changes even the way our mind

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thinks in ways that we cannot comprehend.

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And the authority to which he himself so
implicitly bowed, he called on all men to

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submit to.

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His aim was to bring men back to the
Bible.

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The Reformer restored to the Church,
first of all, the principle of authority.

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There must be a divine and infallible
authority in the Church.

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And I hear in your videos, John,
and the true independent ministries are

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continually calling people back to the
authority of the Bible and the spirit of

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prophecy.

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That authority cannot be the Church itself
for the guide and those whom he guides

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cannot be the same.

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Right.

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The divine and infallible authority which
Wycliffe restored for the guidance of men

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was the Bible, God speaking in his word.

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And by setting up this divine authority,
he displaced that human and fallible

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authority which the corruption of the ages
had imposed upon the Church.

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And later today in this taping,
John, we want to look at how the devil has

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used spiritualism to corrupt the principle
of divine authority and to make humanity

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as a whole vulnerable to the authority of
the papacy once again.

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He turned the eyes of men from popes and
councils to the inspired oracles of God.

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Wycliffe, by restoring authority to the
Church, restored to her liberty also.

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We're not opposed to authority in the
Church.

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We want God's authority.

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We want the authority of the Word.

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We want the authority of the spirit of
prophecy.

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And now something very significant.

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While he taught that the Bible was a
sufficient and all-perfect rule,

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he taught also that every man had a right
to interpret the Word of God for his own

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guidance in a dependence upon the promised
aid of the Holy Spirit.

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Thus he taught men to cast off that blind
submission to the teaching of mere human

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authority which is bondage, and to submit
their understandings and consciences to

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God speaking in His Word which alone is
liberty.

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And I tell you, Church ecclesiastics have
been scared of that principle,

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afraid to let the people be turned loose
with the Word of God.

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But that is the one thing that will save
humanity when people find the authority of

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the Word.

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These are the two first necessities of the
Church of God, authority and liberty.

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An infallible guide and freedom to follow
Him.

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Because when you have the authority of
God, you have to have freedom to follow

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that authority.

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And that's where our conflict with human
authority which is opposed to the

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authority of God comes in in our struggle
within Adventism.

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I can't help but think of what Caiaphas
said.

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Better that one man die.

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If this man's principles are brought into
among our people, the structure is going

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to collapse.

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Therefore, it's better that this one man
die and save the structure.

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And that's going to be the argument at the
time of the death decree.

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Absolutely.

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Same principle.

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These two must ever go together.

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That is, authority of God and liberty to
follow Him.

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The one cannot exist without the other.

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And that's why we're concerned about
religious liberty and about liberty of

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conscience.

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Without authority, there can be no
liberty.

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For liberty without order becomes anarchy.

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And without freedom, there can be no
divine authority.

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For if the church is not at liberty to
obey the will of her master, authority is

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overthrown.

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That's right.

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And that is what we're interested in
promoting.

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Liberty to follow the Lamb of God,
the Master.

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John, go ahead.

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Well, you know, people are always throwing
this at the faithful independent ministry

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saying, oh, there's no structure.

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They're just all a bunch of independent
atoms.

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Nothing could be farther from the truth.

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There is structure.

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There is order.

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There is organization.

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When the church went into the wilderness
in Revelation 12 and verse 6, you know,

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there weren't corporations.

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There weren't hospitals.

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There weren't colleges.

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There weren't a hierarchical system.

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There weren't credentialed pastors and
money and prestige.

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It didn't have any of that.

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It was just a group of persecuted
believers that went into the wilderness

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because they were being persecuted by a
large organization that had so much

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disfellowshipped them.

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But it was still God's church.

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But the reason that they had structure and
organization is because the Holy Spirit

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was the one that was controlling them.

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That's right.

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You see, there doesn't have to be an
Adventist pope that controls God's people.

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The Holy Spirit does that.

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And all you have to do is come to the camp
meetings of the faithful independent

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ministries and find the structure and
organization and camaraderie and union and

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the beauty of holiness that is manifested
there.

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That's right.

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It's so obvious that the Holy Spirit is
the one that organizes His people.

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And this goes to the very heart of the
question, doesn't it?

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In the room of the rule of God is put the
usurpation of man.

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Authority and freedom, like the twins of
classic story, must together flourish or

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together die.

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Now, John, I want to just turn our mind to
the Word of God for just a second here in

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John chapter 3 because we're going to be
shortly looking now at the order of the

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Jesuits, historically, and their
principles and how they contrast with the

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principles of the everlasting gospel.

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But here Jesus is speaking to Nicodemus.

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And he said to him, Verily, verily,
I say unto thee, Except a man be born

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again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

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Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be
born when he is old?

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Can he enter the second time into his
mother's womb and be born?

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Jesus answered, Verily, verily,
I say unto thee, Except a man be born of

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water and of the spirit, he cannot enter
into the kingdom of God.

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That which is born of the flesh is flesh,
and that which is born of the spirit is

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spirit.

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Marvel not that I said unto thee,
Ye must be born again.

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The wind bloweth where it listeth,
and thou hearest the sound thereof,

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but canst not tell whence it cometh or
whither it goeth.

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So is every one that is born of the
spirit.

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Now, when Protestantism began sweeping
like a fresh blast of fresh air across

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Europe in the 16th century, thousands of
people were having this experience of

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being born again.

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And the principle, the battle cry,
the battle text of the Reformation was

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Romans 1, 17.

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And we need to go to verse 16.

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For I am not ashamed of the gospel of
Christ, for it is the power of God unto

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salvation to every one that believeth,
to the Jew first and also to the Greek.

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For therein is the righteousness of God
revealed from faith to faith, as it is

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written, The just shall live by faith.

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And when it dawned on the people's minds
that salvation was by grace through faith

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in Christ's righteousness, then the chains
fell off, and then the power of the

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hierarchy was broken, and then they could
go ahead and make progress.

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But there had to be a clear decision on
that, a clear experience on that.

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Now, in the Jesuit order, the Jesuits
tried to...

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Ignatius Loyola, the founder of the
Jesuits, tried to duplicate, tried to

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clone this Protestant experience and
create a conversion process by the use of

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the spiritual exercises of Ignatius
Loyola, so that the conversion process

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would be at every step under the control
of man.

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And he made a counterfeit conversion
process.

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This is the spiritual exercises which Bill
Lovelace recommended to his congregation

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in Loma Linda.

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And I'd like to now go to the second
volume of Wiley.

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You know, the amazing thing is,
Bob, that Helen White had a third grade

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education, and these were the types of
books that she was familiar with and that

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read and studied.

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I mean, can you imagine a person with a
third grade education reading and studying

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these kinds of books?

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Obviously, she was inspired of God,
folks, in so many, many ways.

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And I'd like to spend a little time here
now looking at the Jesuit order and how

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they're constructed and what their purpose
is.

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There's a lot here about Loyola that we
won't have time to go into, but the

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spiritual exercises...

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I want to bring some material in here
about the spiritual exercises.

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Ignatius wanted to duplicate what was
going on in Protestantism and keep it

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under the control of the Church and use a
false conversion process, he considered it

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true, no doubt, but use this counterfeit
conversion process, then, to defeat the

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true conversion process, the true
conversion of Protestantism that was going

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on in thousands of hearts at that time.

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The Jesuits were famous for this.

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This is what Francisco Rivera did in 1590
by inventing Futurism.

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It's because they had to undo,
they had to counteract what was happening

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in Protestantism.

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This was the work of the Jesuits,
to undo what was going on in Protestantism

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by inventing a counterfeit.

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That's the point.

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And the issue comes so close.

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The attempt is to counterfeit it so close.

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And the Jesuits in their history have been
known, in their effort to accomplish their

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purpose, they come very close to the
spirit of the age in which they live,

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and very close to the thinking of the
people among whom they work.

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And that's why when you go to enter in
South America, you see a Catholicism that

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has been impregnated with a lot of the
paganism that existed there when the

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conquistadors came.

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Here's some material from Wiley now on the
spiritual exercises.

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This is a body of rules for teaching men
how to conduct the work of their

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conversion.

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It consists of four grand meditations.

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And we've shown the book in the past.

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In fact, let me just grab a book here.

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What is this book about?

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Well, this is Directing the Spiritual
Exercises.

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I showed this before.

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Yeah, you showed this before.

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Choosing Christ in the World.

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Directing the Spiritual Exercises of
Ignatius Loyola according to Annotations

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18 and 19.

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It's a very flexible approach that the
Jesuits use.

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And we've talked about that in the past.

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Now I want to focus in on the aspect of it
being a counterfeit conversion process.

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It consists of four grand meditations and
the penitent retiring into solitude is to

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occupy absorbingly his mind on each in
succession during the space of the rising

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and setting of seven suns.

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Now, Annotations 18 and 19 call for the
adaptation of the spiritual exercises to

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the people that they are being taught to.

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They are to be adapted so that the person
is gradually led into this.

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And all across in the New Age movement,
this prayer imaging and New Age Adventism,

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the New Age as it comes into the Lutheran
Church and into all of these churches,

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carries with it this mysticism,
this experience of imaging and

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visualization.

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This is all from the Jesuits, you see.

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This also has a great part to play in the
small groups.

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Oh, the small groups.

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I mean, I just saw a big, huge ad in the
Gleaner.

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We get the Gleaner.

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And a big ad.

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I mean, a double-page ad on how to start
small groups.

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This is the thrust of the Washington
Conference to start small groups in every

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church.

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And we've had studies about these small
groups, Bob.

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And it's so obvious where it's coming
from.

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And I know that all of these things you
just mentioned are being brought into

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these small groups that are being taught
to our people.

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Here I picked up a book when I was over in
London, John.

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What Happens in Groups?

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Psychoanalysis, the Individual and the
Community.

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And it's interesting what is written on
the back page here.

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People are often utterly taken aback by
the odd and alarming things that happen in

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groups.

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All sorts of groups.

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Study groups, offices, clubs, political
organizations, teams.

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And it is known, it is known, this
sensitivity type of session group was

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developed in the New Age movement.

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And the hippies were involved in this.

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In fact, I talked to a person who was
involved, who was a Catholic, who was

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involved in the hippie movement.

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And she told of how the priests would try
to foster this hippie movement.

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And they were trying to direct it.

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They were trying to gain control and lead
it in a certain direction.

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We want to get into the significance of
that later on.

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Like Adventist pastors try to do now.

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This idea of small groups is a New Age
concept.

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Absolutely.

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For bringing about the New World Order.

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We want to look at that a little later
too.

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Now, Bob, I'm not saying that every one of
these Adventist pastors that are promoting

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the small groups, and the conversators
promoting the small groups, have any idea

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what it is.

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No.

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But it is still this thing of following
your supervisor or those that are in the

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chain of command over you.

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And it's a Jesuit concept whether they
know it or not.

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It's New Age whether they know it or not.

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They may be innocent, but that does not
change the fact that it's straight out of

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the depths of hell.

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And here's a book about T.

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L.

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Hard to Chardon.

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We've talked about him, the most
influential figure in the New Age

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movement, a Jesuit priest, towards a new
mysticism, talking about the amalgamation

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of Western mysticism with Eastern
mysticism, which is coming into the

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Church.

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But back to the spiritual exercises here.

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This is Volume 2, page 384.

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It may, that is the spiritual exercises
experience, may be fitly styled a journey

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from the gates of destruction to the gates
of paradise, mapped out in stages so that

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it might be gone in the short period of
four weeks.

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Now once again I say that this has been
massively adapted in our day and they

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don't adhere to the kind of timetables
that initially were used.

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There are a few more remarkable books in
the world.

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It combines the self-denial and
mortification of the Brahman with the

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asceticism of the anchorite, that's a
breed of monks, and the ecstasies of the

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schoolman.

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It professes like the Koran to be a
revelation.

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The book of exercises says a Jesuit was
truly written by the finger of God and

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delivered to Ignatius by the Holy Mother
of God.

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That's like the Mormon saying,
the golden plates, you know.

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The spiritual exercises, we have said,
was a body of rules by following which one

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could affect upon himself that great
change which in biblical and theological

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language is termed conversion.

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Now what is the purpose of the Jesuits?

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I have a book which I failed to bring
along at home which is about Jesuit higher

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education and in it, it's written much of
it by Jesuits and the book tells us that

57:49.240 --> 57:54.500
the purpose of Jesuit education is to
bring about intellectual conversion.

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What they're interested in doing is
intellectually converting society and

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students.

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There are 185,000 students in Jesuit
post-secondary education schools in North

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America alone.

58:10.400 --> 58:16.280
And one who graduated from the mother of
all Jesuit schools, Georgetown University,

58:16.520 --> 58:17.520
was Bill Clinton.

58:17.700 --> 58:19.700
That's one reason why we're looking at all
of this today.

58:20.540 --> 58:21.600
Intellectual conversion.

58:22.100 --> 58:25.760
The book displayed on the part of its
author great knowledge of the human heart.

58:26.300 --> 58:30.240
The method prescribed was an adroit
imitation of that process of conviction,

58:30.800 --> 58:34.320
of alarm, of enlightenment, and of peace
through which the Holy Spirit leads the

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soul that undergoes that change in very
deed.

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This divine transformation was at that
hour taking place in thousands of

58:41.820 --> 58:43.400
instances in the Protestant world.

58:43.960 --> 58:48.580
Loyola, like the magicians of old who
strove to rival Moses, wrought with his

58:48.580 --> 58:50.520
enchantments to produce the same miracle.

58:52.340 --> 58:58.300
And so, the purpose of the spiritual
exercises is to bring about a spiritual

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and intellectual conversion which is under
the control and direction of man.

59:04.560 --> 59:06.160
Now, what about the order itself?

59:06.260 --> 59:07.260
How does it function?

59:08.380 --> 59:11.920
From his chamber in Rome, the eye of the
general, that's the black pope,

59:12.080 --> 59:17.380
the general of the society, surveys the
world of Jesuitism to its farthest bounds.

59:17.580 --> 59:19.660
There is nothing done in it which he does
not see.

59:19.980 --> 59:22.300
There is nothing spoken in it which he
does not hear.

59:22.700 --> 59:26.980
It becomes us to note the means by which
this almost superhuman intelligence is

59:26.980 --> 59:27.360
acquired.

59:28.160 --> 59:31.640
Every year, a list of the houses and
members of the society with the name,

59:31.780 --> 59:35.040
talents, virtues, and failings of each is
laid before the general.

59:35.860 --> 59:39.760
In addition to the annual report,
every one of the 37 provincials must send

59:39.760 --> 59:42.780
him a report monthly of the state of his
province.

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He must inform him minutely of its
political and ecclesiastical condition.

59:47.160 --> 59:50.500
And this is another thing I've noticed,
that the Jesuits in their writings are

59:50.500 --> 59:55.800
keen observers of the human mind and what
is happening in society, how people are

59:55.800 --> 59:56.120
thinking.

59:56.220 --> 01:00:02.100
This is page 389 in Book II of Wiley's
History of Protestantism.

01:00:02.140 --> 01:00:06.000
Every superior of a college must report
once every three months.

01:00:06.380 --> 01:00:10.080
The heads of houses of residence and
houses of novitiates must do the same.

01:00:10.560 --> 01:00:15.040
In short, from every quarter of his vast
dominions come a monthly and a tri-monthly

01:00:15.040 --> 01:00:15.400
report.

01:00:15.900 --> 01:00:19.900
If the matter reported on has reference to
persons outside the society, the

01:00:19.900 --> 01:00:24.040
constitutions direct that the provincials
and superiors shall write to the general

01:00:24.040 --> 01:00:25.640
in cipher or code.

01:00:26.400 --> 01:00:29.000
Such precautions are taken against
enemies, said M.

01:00:29.200 --> 01:00:30.140
de Chalaté.

01:00:30.600 --> 01:00:33.480
Is the system of the Jesuits inimical to
all governments?

01:00:34.020 --> 01:00:37.140
Thus to the general of the Jesuits the
world lies naked and open.

01:00:37.660 --> 01:00:40.440
He sees by a thousand eyes, he hears by a
thousand ears.

01:00:40.520 --> 01:00:45.920
I've seen ads, almost full-page ads,
for a person to become a Jesuit electrical

01:00:45.920 --> 01:00:49.740
engineer, calling upon the people to join
the brotherhood.

01:00:50.100 --> 01:00:54.620
So they have electrical engineers,
they've got people in all kinds of trades

01:00:54.620 --> 01:00:56.140
and all kinds of occupations.

01:00:56.800 --> 01:01:01.280
And when he has a behest to execute,
he can select the fittest agent from an

01:01:01.280 --> 01:01:04.540
innumerable host, all of whom are ready to
do his bidding.

01:01:05.060 --> 01:01:08.600
The past history, the good and evil
qualities of every member of the society,

01:01:09.100 --> 01:01:13.020
his talents, his dispositions,
his inclinations, his tastes, his secret

01:01:13.020 --> 01:01:17.240
thoughts have all been strictly examined,
minutely chronicled and laid before the

01:01:17.240 --> 01:01:17.920
eye of the general.

01:01:18.180 --> 01:01:21.820
It is the same as if he were present in
person and had seen and conversed with

01:01:21.820 --> 01:01:22.060
each.

01:01:22.200 --> 01:01:26.380
All ranks, from the nobleman to the day
laborer, all trades, from the opulent

01:01:26.380 --> 01:01:30.080
banker to the shoemaker and porter,
all professions, from the stalled

01:01:30.080 --> 01:01:34.600
dignitary and the learned professor to the
cowled mendicant, all grades of literary

01:01:34.600 --> 01:01:38.740
men, from the philosopher, the
mathematician and the historian to the

01:01:38.740 --> 01:01:42.280
schoolmaster and the reporter on the
provincial newspaper are enrolled in the

01:01:42.280 --> 01:01:42.760
society.

01:01:43.360 --> 01:01:47.500
Marshaled and in continual attendance
before their chief stand this host so

01:01:47.500 --> 01:01:50.160
large in numbers and so various in gifts.

01:01:50.580 --> 01:01:54.640
At his word they go and at his word they
come, speeding over seas and mountains,

01:01:55.280 --> 01:01:58.060
across frozen steppes or burning plains on
his errands.

01:01:58.060 --> 01:02:04.720
You know, I just saw a documentary
recently produced by the British

01:02:04.720 --> 01:02:07.960
Broadcasting Corporation titled The New
Holy Roman Empire.

01:02:08.260 --> 01:02:09.420
I saw that, incredible.

01:02:09.860 --> 01:02:10.680
You saw that too?

01:02:10.680 --> 01:02:13.020
Yeah, I got it from one of our supporters.

01:02:13.180 --> 01:02:14.060
Send it to us.

01:02:14.220 --> 01:02:15.500
Same person, send it to us.

01:02:17.180 --> 01:02:23.340
And in it, remember how at the beginning
one of these eminent theologians or

01:02:23.340 --> 01:02:28.520
priests mentioned how Stalin had
contemptuously remarked how many divisions

01:02:28.520 --> 01:02:29.440
does the Pope have.

01:02:29.760 --> 01:02:33.720
And then they went on to tell how it was
the Pope's legions that had accomplished

01:02:33.720 --> 01:02:36.840
this in Eastern Europe and in Russia.

01:02:36.840 --> 01:02:41.100
And it showed actual Jesuits that had gone
into Russia.

01:02:41.820 --> 01:02:47.380
And I just picked up a book on this very
subject of how the Church brought down the

01:02:47.380 --> 01:02:47.920
Iron Curtain.

01:02:48.040 --> 01:02:49.260
It was pre-eminently the Church.

01:02:49.780 --> 01:02:52.340
Pestilence or battle or death may lie on
his path.

01:02:52.760 --> 01:02:54.660
The Jesuit's obedience is not less prompt.

01:02:54.840 --> 01:02:57.120
Selecting one, the General sends him to
the Royal Cabinet.

01:02:57.660 --> 01:03:00.340
Making choice of another, he opens to him
the door of Parliament.

01:03:00.800 --> 01:03:03.240
And we even have a Jesuit trained one now
as President.

01:03:03.820 --> 01:03:05.940
A third, he enrolls in a political club.

01:03:05.940 --> 01:03:08.500
A fourth, he places in the pulpit of a
church.

01:03:09.040 --> 01:03:12.600
And the secret instructions of the Jesuits
call for the Jesuits to get in the most

01:03:12.600 --> 01:03:14.140
prominent pulpits.

01:03:16.120 --> 01:03:20.540
And talk about Jesuit agenda when you've
got one in the most prominent pulpit in

01:03:20.540 --> 01:03:24.460
North America who's calling on the people
to read the spiritual exercises and

01:03:24.460 --> 01:03:27.540
leading the ministers of the conference in
the spiritual exercises.

01:03:27.540 --> 01:03:30.380
Oh, have we ever stirred up a hornet's
nest with that one.

01:03:30.880 --> 01:03:33.420
Whose creed he professes that he may
betray it.

01:03:33.420 --> 01:03:36.300
See, they will profess the creed that they
may betray it.

01:03:36.660 --> 01:03:39.780
A fifth, he commands to mingle in the
saloons of the literati.

01:03:40.200 --> 01:03:43.400
A sixth, he sends to act his part in the
evangelical conference.

01:03:43.900 --> 01:03:46.380
A seventh, he seats beside the domestic
hearth.

01:03:46.820 --> 01:03:50.180
And an eighth, he sends afar off to
barbarous tribes who are speaking a

01:03:50.180 --> 01:03:50.880
strange tongue.

01:03:51.360 --> 01:03:55.280
Wearing a rough garment, he executes
amidst hardships and perils the will of

01:03:55.280 --> 01:03:55.800
his superior.

01:03:56.280 --> 01:03:58.920
There is no disguise which the Jesuit will
not wear.

01:03:59.360 --> 01:04:02.740
Malachi Martin in his book, The Jesuit,
says they are everywhere.

01:04:02.740 --> 01:04:04.540
This is writing now, writing today.

01:04:04.620 --> 01:04:05.400
He was one.

01:04:05.740 --> 01:04:06.700
He is a former Jesuit.

01:04:07.160 --> 01:04:10.720
No disguise which the Jesuit will not
wear, no art he will not employ,

01:04:11.140 --> 01:04:15.600
no motive he will not feign, no creed he
will not profess, provided only he can

01:04:15.600 --> 01:04:19.580
acquit himself as a true soldier in the
Jesuit army and accomplish the work on

01:04:19.580 --> 01:04:20.780
which he has been sent forth.

01:04:21.720 --> 01:04:26.120
We have men, exclaimed the general
exultingly, as he glanced over the long

01:04:26.120 --> 01:04:29.280
roll of philosophers, orators,
statesmen and scholars who stood before

01:04:29.280 --> 01:04:33.420
him, ready to serve him in the state or in
the church, in the camp or in the school,

01:04:33.620 --> 01:04:34.480
at home or abroad.

01:04:34.740 --> 01:04:37.760
We have men for martyrdom if they be
required.

01:04:38.720 --> 01:04:44.520
And then while he goes on to tell the
various levels, the novitiates and how all

01:04:44.520 --> 01:04:51.380
of their life is examined when they join
the order and they test them, they develop

01:04:51.380 --> 01:04:56.040
tact and address, they try to make people
who are winsome, who are likable,

01:04:56.400 --> 01:04:57.160
who are witty.

01:04:57.720 --> 01:05:01.040
His sound judgment is examined,
his business talent, his health,

01:05:01.040 --> 01:05:03.900
his bodily vigor are all closely watched
and noted.

01:05:04.320 --> 01:05:07.460
Above all, his obedience is subjected to
severe experiment.

01:05:08.600 --> 01:05:11.820
And if he acquits himself on that,
he goes on to the house of second

01:05:11.820 --> 01:05:13.720
probation where he's tried even more
severe.

01:05:14.040 --> 01:05:16.320
He fulfills a course of service in the
hospitals.

01:05:16.460 --> 01:05:18.760
They are big on hospital work,
you see.

01:05:19.460 --> 01:05:23.220
Learning humility by helping the poor and
ministering at the beds of the sick.

01:05:23.880 --> 01:05:26.720
What better way to ingratiate yourself
into the hearts of men?

01:05:26.720 --> 01:05:30.660
To further his advance in this grace,
he next spends a certain term in begging

01:05:30.660 --> 01:05:31.820
his bread from door to door.

01:05:31.920 --> 01:05:34.700
Now, the times have changed a little bit,
so there's not so much of that.

01:05:35.220 --> 01:05:38.740
Thus he learns to live on the coarsest
fare and to sleep on the hardest couch.

01:05:39.600 --> 01:05:43.820
And to perfect himself in the virtue of
self-abnegation, he next discharges for a

01:05:43.820 --> 01:05:47.860
while the most humiliating and repulsive
offices in the house in which he lives.

01:05:48.740 --> 01:05:52.720
So they learn how to have a humility,
how to have a self-abnegation.

01:05:53.560 --> 01:05:56.320
He gets involved in hearing confessions
and preaching in pulpit.

01:05:56.320 --> 01:06:02.940
And then he goes on to the next stage,
and finally he gets experience in

01:06:02.940 --> 01:06:04.060
controlling other men.

01:06:05.040 --> 01:06:09.960
And in the early days of the Order,
and in Wiley's day, to have a preference

01:06:10.580 --> 01:06:14.580
as to whether or not a person was going to
obey an order was a deadly sin.

01:06:15.380 --> 01:06:18.580
Obedience is not only the letter of his
vow, it is the lesson that his training

01:06:18.580 --> 01:06:19.600
has written on his heart.

01:06:19.960 --> 01:06:23.420
And they take the simple vows of poverty,
chastity, and obedience.

01:06:25.220 --> 01:06:28.540
They keep on advancing until they get into
the class of scholars.

01:06:28.840 --> 01:06:30.740
They have colleges then of their own,
as we know.

01:06:31.400 --> 01:06:34.940
And his intellectual powers are severely
tested and trained.

01:06:35.040 --> 01:06:38.600
And I'll say this, John, that in the
materials I've read by some of these

01:06:38.600 --> 01:06:44.480
Jesuits, they are really geniuses in
education.

01:06:44.720 --> 01:06:47.900
And this is their purpose, because then
they gain eminence.

01:06:47.980 --> 01:06:49.740
And then people want to come and study
under them.

01:06:50.060 --> 01:06:51.680
And then they get the brightest scholars.

01:06:51.680 --> 01:06:56.160
And then their purpose, the purpose of the
Roman Catholic Church and the Jesuit

01:06:56.160 --> 01:07:01.020
order, is to leaven society and to effect
cultural change.

01:07:01.340 --> 01:07:04.640
Cultural change, a change in the way
people think.

01:07:05.660 --> 01:07:10.000
They want acuteness of talent,
brilliancy of example, and soundness of

01:07:10.000 --> 01:07:10.300
body.

01:07:10.460 --> 01:07:14.900
They are to be men that are leaders,
that guide people in a way of thinking.

01:07:14.960 --> 01:07:17.840
And they will profess a creed in order to
destroy it.

01:07:17.840 --> 01:07:24.540
And this is why it's so significant for us
to understand the way they think,

01:07:24.780 --> 01:07:28.740
the way they're organized, and what we
must look for.

01:07:29.000 --> 01:07:31.160
What are we looking for?

01:07:31.480 --> 01:07:36.600
And my feeling is, as I read their
materials and as I look at what they're

01:07:36.600 --> 01:07:41.920
saying right now, the whole approach of
the Jesuits is far more diffuse,

01:07:42.400 --> 01:07:48.860
far more subtle, far more all-pervasive in
the molding power and the thinking process

01:07:48.860 --> 01:07:51.440
than we have realized.

01:07:51.760 --> 01:07:53.200
For instance... Go ahead, John.

01:07:53.320 --> 01:07:57.280
Bob, what do you think of Adventists that
say, Oh, this is just paranoia.

01:07:57.360 --> 01:07:59.400
I'm just not going to worry about the
Jesuits.

01:07:59.620 --> 01:08:02.800
I'm just going to love the Lord and just
do what is right.

01:08:03.060 --> 01:08:06.980
And I haven't got time to worry about all
this stuff about Jesuits and all this

01:08:06.980 --> 01:08:07.160
stuff.

01:08:07.360 --> 01:08:08.700
Those guys are just paranoid.

01:08:08.860 --> 01:08:09.700
What do you say to that?

01:08:09.700 --> 01:08:16.020
Well, what I say to that is that things
happen in this world because of something

01:08:16.020 --> 01:08:17.520
that caused them to happen.

01:08:18.280 --> 01:08:24.980
The world was not automatically Protestant
in the times before Martin Luther.

01:08:25.540 --> 01:08:27.360
There was a reason why it was Roman
Catholic.

01:08:27.860 --> 01:08:33.140
It was the educational processes,
the cultural patterns, the things that the

01:08:33.140 --> 01:08:35.020
people were exposed to in their lifestyle.

01:08:35.020 --> 01:08:40.160
For instance, Václav Havel, who is... and
let me just grab a book here, John.

01:08:40.720 --> 01:08:46.700
Václav Havel, who was the president of
Czechoslovakia after he became free,

01:08:47.680 --> 01:08:55.420
was telling the people... and here's a
book that tells about the use of the...

01:08:55.420 --> 01:08:59.880
how the Church brought about the collapse
of Communism, the final revolution.

01:09:00.680 --> 01:09:07.780
Václav Havel tells in here, in a speech to
the Czechoslovakian people, about the

01:09:07.780 --> 01:09:10.740
problem of what it was like under
Communism.

01:09:11.380 --> 01:09:17.700
The people... a grocer would receive a
shipment of groceries to sell in his

01:09:17.700 --> 01:09:23.560
store, and along with that from the
government commissar, he would receive a

01:09:23.560 --> 01:09:27.780
poster that he was supposed to display in
his window that said, Workers of the

01:09:27.780 --> 01:09:28.540
World, Unite!

01:09:29.900 --> 01:09:34.600
And Václav Havel asked the question,
did that grocer really want the workers of

01:09:34.600 --> 01:09:37.140
the world to unite under the Communist
rule?

01:09:37.200 --> 01:09:37.880
No, he didn't.

01:09:38.180 --> 01:09:39.960
He wasn't in favor of Communism at all.

01:09:40.260 --> 01:09:41.680
But he put the picture up.

01:09:41.760 --> 01:09:42.000
Why?

01:09:42.420 --> 01:09:44.120
Because if he didn't, he wouldn't get
groceries.

01:09:44.480 --> 01:09:46.000
Yes, he wouldn't get more groceries.

01:09:46.100 --> 01:09:47.620
He'd be in trouble if he didn't do it.

01:09:48.100 --> 01:09:54.300
And so Havel talked about the contagion,
the contamination of the moral atmosphere

01:09:54.300 --> 01:09:59.380
that created this kind of thinking and
what it took to overthrow this.

01:10:00.080 --> 01:10:06.140
Now, what our concern is with the Jesuit
influence is, what are the educational

01:10:06.140 --> 01:10:08.000
processes that have been set afoot?

01:10:08.440 --> 01:10:13.820
What are the philosophical processes that
are operating in the thinking of the man

01:10:13.820 --> 01:10:18.100
on the street, from the man on the street
right up through preachers and presidents?

01:10:18.880 --> 01:10:26.720
What are the maxims and the ideas that run
through people's minds that make society a

01:10:26.720 --> 01:10:27.180
certain way?

01:10:27.240 --> 01:10:30.600
Because the Jesuits are aiming at
intellectual conversion.

01:10:30.740 --> 01:10:32.680
They want to intellectually convert the
whole nation.

01:10:33.020 --> 01:10:36.820
They want to intellectually convert all of
the church bodies.

01:10:37.080 --> 01:10:38.300
And let me get another book.

01:10:38.680 --> 01:10:41.180
Bob, I can't help but think of Hosea 4.6.

01:10:41.440 --> 01:10:44.040
My people are destroyed for lack of
knowledge.

01:10:44.040 --> 01:10:47.820
Because thou hast rejected knowledge,
I will also reject thee.

01:10:48.160 --> 01:10:53.640
So if we reject what is happening and bury
our heads in the sand like the proverbial

01:10:53.640 --> 01:10:56.840
ostrich, then God is going to hold us
accountable.

01:10:57.020 --> 01:10:59.220
We've got to take notice of what is going
on.

01:10:59.460 --> 01:11:03.860
Let me just give an example of what we're
talking about here.

01:11:04.700 --> 01:11:08.060
I saw with great interest your New Age
Adventism No.

01:11:08.120 --> 01:11:11.160
3 that Terry Ross and you put together,
which was excellent.

01:11:11.200 --> 01:11:12.300
Eight hours of material.

01:11:13.120 --> 01:11:18.100
You know what I noticed over and over and
over again in that video that you and

01:11:18.100 --> 01:11:19.020
Terry remarked about?

01:11:19.600 --> 01:11:22.140
The end justifies the means.

01:11:22.660 --> 01:11:24.300
Now where did that come from?

01:11:24.820 --> 01:11:29.160
There is a reason why that principle is
functioning there.

01:11:30.260 --> 01:11:31.960
Somewhere these ideas come from.

01:11:32.040 --> 01:11:33.600
Now just look at society in general.

01:11:34.400 --> 01:11:37.120
A book will be put out looking out for No.

01:11:37.220 --> 01:11:37.500
1.

01:11:37.700 --> 01:11:39.760
And suddenly it's the rage across the
nation.

01:11:39.760 --> 01:11:41.760
And loads of people are reading it.

01:11:42.380 --> 01:11:44.380
It alters the way people think.

01:11:44.520 --> 01:11:50.280
It alters then the way that parent relates
to his children or relates to his other

01:11:50.280 --> 01:11:53.220
workers or relates to society at large.

01:11:53.320 --> 01:11:56.140
And so what we're dealing with here is
intellectual revolution.

01:11:56.920 --> 01:12:03.660
And what is called by the Jesuits as well
as other scholars, paradigm shift.

01:12:03.940 --> 01:12:06.380
Let me get another book here before I get
to this one.

01:12:06.380 --> 01:12:09.860
Here is The Structures of Scientific
Revolutions.

01:12:09.980 --> 01:12:13.700
I believe we've referred to this before in
our Jesuit Agendas.

01:12:14.060 --> 01:12:18.660
This is a book that is very closely
studied in Jesuit universities because it

01:12:18.660 --> 01:12:22.960
tells how a revolution, an intellectual
revolution, takes place.

01:12:23.400 --> 01:12:24.760
How to overcome opposition.

01:12:25.480 --> 01:12:27.360
How it operates.

01:12:27.760 --> 01:12:29.160
What are the mechanics of it.

01:12:29.600 --> 01:12:34.580
And how you bring about a philosophical,
intellectual type of revolution.

01:12:34.580 --> 01:12:38.320
This is the field in which the Jesuits
operate.

01:12:38.400 --> 01:12:40.540
Now, has a revolution taken place in
Adventism?

01:12:40.940 --> 01:12:41.480
Absolutely.

01:12:41.620 --> 01:12:43.560
There has been a revolution taking place
in Adventism.

01:12:43.720 --> 01:12:45.180
What is the explanation for it?

01:12:45.760 --> 01:12:48.460
Now, it's no doubt due to a complex of
things.

01:12:48.540 --> 01:12:53.920
For one thing, the lack of studying and
reading.

01:12:54.460 --> 01:12:57.480
And general spiritual malaise can bring
things on.

01:12:57.640 --> 01:13:02.680
But the fact that we are seeing a
determined program and agenda imposed on

01:13:02.680 --> 01:13:03.100
the Church.

01:13:03.100 --> 01:13:08.120
For instance, we have many reports that
come into our office.

01:13:09.700 --> 01:13:14.140
And one report was that the people were
sitting one morning, one Sabbath morning,

01:13:14.260 --> 01:13:15.520
in church and Sabbath school.

01:13:16.160 --> 01:13:18.260
And a general conference man was present.

01:13:18.860 --> 01:13:22.640
And by the time they walked out of Sabbath
school, that whole Sabbath school had been

01:13:22.640 --> 01:13:24.240
divided up into small groups.

01:13:24.780 --> 01:13:26.320
The people really had nothing to do with
it.

01:13:26.380 --> 01:13:27.240
It was done.

01:13:27.300 --> 01:13:27.860
It was finished.

01:13:28.020 --> 01:13:30.500
You know, small groups have usually a
leader, an assistant leader.

01:13:30.500 --> 01:13:34.700
And there's all kinds of psychological
dimensions that they're trained in.

01:13:35.340 --> 01:13:39.520
And therefore, the mechanics of something
new had been introduced into the Church to

01:13:39.520 --> 01:13:41.220
bring about some kind of change.

01:13:41.940 --> 01:13:48.160
And Lord willing, later on we're going to
look at this planned concept of change

01:13:48.160 --> 01:13:48.820
agents.

01:13:49.240 --> 01:13:52.800
That is part of the thinking in the field
of psychology today.

01:13:53.320 --> 01:13:55.160
And part of the new world order.

01:13:55.580 --> 01:13:57.840
Part of the new agenda with the new age.

01:13:58.440 --> 01:13:59.580
Agents of change.

01:13:59.580 --> 01:14:05.980
And so revolutions take place because
someone is instilling ideas and thoughts.

01:14:06.020 --> 01:14:10.900
And we have to examine those ideas and
thoughts and say, where is this coming

01:14:10.900 --> 01:14:11.220
from?

01:14:11.360 --> 01:14:13.000
What is the explanation for this?

01:14:13.360 --> 01:14:16.500
Why are we imbibing of something different
than the Bible?

01:14:16.980 --> 01:14:18.040
Who's introducing it?

01:14:18.160 --> 01:14:19.480
And has this happened before?

01:14:19.540 --> 01:14:21.560
And that's what we're trying to look at
here.

01:14:21.620 --> 01:14:25.100
For instance, in Malachi Martin's book,
The Keys of This Blood here, John.

01:14:26.500 --> 01:14:34.840
He takes us room by room through the
different organizations and groups in the

01:14:34.840 --> 01:14:40.000
world that have to be subjugated if the
Pope is to gain control of the new world

01:14:40.000 --> 01:14:40.280
order.

01:14:40.660 --> 01:14:43.000
And we've mentioned before, Adventism is
mentioned in here.

01:14:43.480 --> 01:14:49.480
And the minimalists, the group to which
Adventists belong, is viewed as a kind of

01:14:49.480 --> 01:14:54.820
a vestigial opposition to the papacy which
is going to have to conform to the new

01:14:54.820 --> 01:14:58.460
world order, to the new globalism,
the new international framework,

01:14:59.040 --> 01:15:01.160
the new world church-to-be, if you please.

01:15:02.200 --> 01:15:08.780
On Sabbath, we saw the interview between
George Crosley and Kenneth Cox and your

01:15:08.780 --> 01:15:09.560
rebuttal to it.

01:15:10.100 --> 01:15:17.540
And what impressed me as I watched it was
that here we had a masterful case study of

01:15:17.540 --> 01:15:25.040
an individual who was exhibiting the very
features of the world church-to-be that

01:15:25.040 --> 01:15:28.920
the Jesuit Carl Rainer had written about
in his book, The Unity of the Churches.

01:15:28.920 --> 01:15:33.340
And we've talked about that in other
videos on The Jesuit Agenda.

01:15:34.320 --> 01:15:36.060
But is there a plan?

01:15:36.360 --> 01:15:37.980
Yes, Ellen White says there is.

01:15:38.300 --> 01:15:43.820
She says in Great Controversy that the
papal plan is to regain control of the

01:15:43.820 --> 01:15:47.580
world, re-establish persecution,
and to undo all that Protestantism has

01:15:47.580 --> 01:15:47.860
done.

01:15:48.200 --> 01:15:50.620
That's why we're talking about the Jesuits
here today.

01:15:51.260 --> 01:15:52.160
There is a plan.

01:15:52.840 --> 01:15:56.720
And now Malachi Martin comes out and says,
yes, there is a plan.

01:15:56.940 --> 01:15:57.840
There absolutely is.

01:15:57.880 --> 01:16:00.740
And it's a plan to gain control of the
whole world, every individual,

01:16:00.900 --> 01:16:06.340
every nation, every language group,
and cause the submission of everyone to

01:16:06.340 --> 01:16:08.540
papal control in a new world order.

01:16:08.820 --> 01:16:13.240
They've gone on record with it,
and they're verifying what Ellen White

01:16:13.240 --> 01:16:13.580
said.

01:16:13.580 --> 01:16:18.920
So what we're trying to get at here is
what realms do the Jesuits function in,

01:16:19.080 --> 01:16:20.620
in the Opus Dei and these orders?

01:16:21.260 --> 01:16:23.120
What are they seeking to accomplish?

01:16:23.760 --> 01:16:24.760
What is their purpose?

01:16:24.940 --> 01:16:29.040
And then what has happened in Adventism
that corresponds with that?

01:16:29.560 --> 01:16:32.620
That's the way we test and gauge what is
happening.

01:16:33.020 --> 01:16:38.840
Now back to Wiley's Volume 2 on the
Jesuits, where he is telling us about the

01:16:38.840 --> 01:16:42.420
equipment of the Jesuits and the order of
the Jesuits.

01:16:42.420 --> 01:16:43.860
This is page 392.

01:16:45.000 --> 01:16:51.300
In the oath, the Jesuit promises to the
omnipotent God in presence of his virgin

01:16:51.300 --> 01:16:55.240
mother and of all the heavenly hierarchy
and to the Father General of the Society

01:16:55.240 --> 01:16:57.700
of Jesus, holding the place of God.

01:16:58.020 --> 01:17:02.940
So to the Jesuit, the Father General of
the Society holds the place of God.

01:17:03.040 --> 01:17:10.900
Now, in our day, the Roman Catholic Church
in America has been affected by American

01:17:10.900 --> 01:17:11.540
principles.

01:17:11.540 --> 01:17:15.200
But in turn, it is affecting American
principles.

01:17:15.740 --> 01:17:16.980
There is a co-mingling.

01:17:17.620 --> 01:17:19.320
The American Church is recognized.

01:17:19.600 --> 01:17:22.460
The American Catholic Church is different
from other parts of the world.

01:17:22.920 --> 01:17:28.000
But in turn, it is having its impact on
American culture, on American thinking,

01:17:28.180 --> 01:17:36.620
as these tens of thousands and scores of
thousands of graduates of Jesuit

01:17:36.620 --> 01:17:39.500
universities make their way out into the
field.

01:17:39.500 --> 01:17:45.520
For instance, do you know that one out of
every ten lawyers has been trained by

01:17:45.520 --> 01:17:47.040
Jesuits in this country?

01:17:47.540 --> 01:17:52.740
Ten percent of all lawyers now are
Jesuit-trained from Jesuit institutions.

01:17:53.600 --> 01:18:00.540
So what happens then is a very diffuse,
very subtle, very pervasive, widely

01:18:00.540 --> 01:18:06.820
pervasive changing of the thinking of the
people, of the legal codes, of the

01:18:06.820 --> 01:18:11.280
political interpretations, and of the
theology of the churches.

01:18:11.880 --> 01:18:13.180
It's a very diffuse thing.

01:18:13.960 --> 01:18:19.020
Now, in the Jesuit order, the professed
members are the Jesuit society par

01:18:19.020 --> 01:18:19.460
excellence.

01:18:19.760 --> 01:18:20.980
They know the deepest secrets.

01:18:21.140 --> 01:18:23.080
They alone know the deepest secrets of the
order.

01:18:23.520 --> 01:18:27.380
It's a secret society, and they alone
wield its highest powers.

01:18:27.960 --> 01:18:31.860
But perfection in Jesuitism cannot be
reached otherwise than by the loss of

01:18:31.860 --> 01:18:32.340
manhood.

01:18:32.440 --> 01:18:33.660
This is page 392.

01:18:33.660 --> 01:18:39.060
Will, judgment, conscience, liberty,
all the Jesuit lays down at the feet of

01:18:39.060 --> 01:18:39.500
his general.

01:18:39.900 --> 01:18:45.600
Now, in the Jesuit order, there's a wide
spectrum, as there is in Roman

01:18:45.600 --> 01:18:46.400
Catholicism.

01:18:47.340 --> 01:18:53.580
As recently as 1961, a book was written by
a man who had been through the Jesuit

01:18:53.580 --> 01:19:01.100
training in Europe, in which he reveals
the very kind of severe and profound

01:19:01.100 --> 01:19:07.720
discipline and self-torture, which the
Jesuit order had in the early days.

01:19:07.800 --> 01:19:13.220
Now, in America, where there's a
permeation of Protestant ideas,

01:19:13.960 --> 01:19:16.360
there's a little different approach to
some of these things.

01:19:16.440 --> 01:19:18.700
But I found something very, very
interesting here.

01:19:18.700 --> 01:19:26.940
When I was at the seminary, the man who
taught principles of worship class was

01:19:26.940 --> 01:19:30.000
very interested in promoting ecumenism.

01:19:30.180 --> 01:19:31.800
He had us read ecumenical books.

01:19:32.220 --> 01:19:37.820
He blasted anyone who, I told about this
in Jesuit Agenda 1, who didn't buy the

01:19:37.820 --> 01:19:39.560
ecumenical concepts.

01:19:40.060 --> 01:19:40.460
Exactly.

01:19:40.580 --> 01:19:43.940
The professors that I had in college were
exactly the same way.

01:19:43.940 --> 01:19:49.220
But one day, John, I saw him come into the
Pioneer Memorial Church, and he had a

01:19:49.220 --> 01:19:50.420
black turtleneck on.

01:19:50.500 --> 01:19:53.180
No tie, black turtleneck and sport coat.

01:19:53.260 --> 01:20:00.080
Now, that may seem innocuous enough to
most people, but it struck me as very

01:20:00.080 --> 01:20:00.620
strange.

01:20:00.700 --> 01:20:04.120
Here is a seminary professor, not wearing
a tie like the rest of the people,

01:20:04.200 --> 01:20:08.080
wearing a black turtleneck, and he looked
an awful lot like a priest, the way he had

01:20:08.080 --> 01:20:08.680
it set up.

01:20:08.680 --> 01:20:10.260
Do you know what I found out in this book?

01:20:10.420 --> 01:20:17.680
That the young, liberal Jesuits in America
prefer the turtleneck as the sign of them

01:20:17.680 --> 01:20:20.360
belonging to the order, instead of some of
the other things that historically

01:20:20.360 --> 01:20:20.900
they've...

01:20:20.900 --> 01:20:26.580
But I didn't find out about that until,
you know, 15 years later, 10 years later.

01:20:27.140 --> 01:20:33.660
And so, it's very, very interesting as a
person discovers what is going on in these

01:20:33.660 --> 01:20:39.900
orders and compares it with what is
happening in our church, you begin seeing

01:20:39.900 --> 01:20:42.000
the correspondences.

01:20:42.580 --> 01:20:47.500
The wisdom, justice, and righteousness of
the command of the superior in the order

01:20:47.500 --> 01:20:48.700
is not to be questioned.

01:20:50.320 --> 01:20:53.540
The Jesuit is not to permit his mind to
dwell upon it for a moment.

01:20:53.940 --> 01:20:56.960
It's the command of the general,
and the command of his general is the

01:20:56.960 --> 01:20:58.080
precept of the Almighty.

01:20:59.040 --> 01:21:01.560
And they have expressions like this in the
Jesuit order.

01:21:01.560 --> 01:21:05.160
We must always see Jesus Christ in the
general, be obedient to him in all his

01:21:05.160 --> 01:21:08.160
behests, as if they came directly from God
himself.

01:21:09.500 --> 01:21:12.960
When they receive an order to go
somewhere, they're not to stay until they

01:21:12.960 --> 01:21:14.740
finish the letter their pen is tracing.

01:21:15.220 --> 01:21:19.580
They must give instant compliance,
so that holy obedience may be perfect in

01:21:19.580 --> 01:21:21.840
every point in execution and will and
intellect.

01:21:22.060 --> 01:21:27.880
Now, in America, where there is a very
liberal wing of the Jesuits, as well as...

01:21:27.880 --> 01:21:32.940
you always have the conservative wing
also, you may not find every element of

01:21:32.940 --> 01:21:33.220
this.

01:21:33.500 --> 01:21:38.640
The Jesuits have been in somewhat of a
rebellion against the Pope for some time,

01:21:38.700 --> 01:21:42.560
but they're apparently being brought back
into line under the new black Pope,

01:21:42.740 --> 01:21:44.040
the Superior General Kalvenbach.

01:21:45.040 --> 01:21:49.940
Obedience is styled the tomb of the will,
a blessed blindness, which causes the soul

01:21:49.940 --> 01:21:53.760
to see the road to salvation, and the
members of the society are taught to

01:21:53.760 --> 01:21:56.300
immolate their will as a sheep is
sacrificed.

01:21:56.300 --> 01:22:00.960
The Jesuit is to be in the hands of his
superior as the axe is in the hands of the

01:22:00.960 --> 01:22:05.620
woodcutter, or as a staff is in the hands
of an old man which serves him wherever,

01:22:06.120 --> 01:22:08.240
and in whatever thing he is pleased to use
it.

01:22:09.320 --> 01:22:14.400
They are to be infined, the Constitution's
enjoined that, quote, they who live under

01:22:14.400 --> 01:22:18.280
obedience shall permit themselves to be
moved and directed under divine providence

01:22:18.280 --> 01:22:24.020
by their superiors just as if they were a
corpse, which allows itself to be moved

01:22:24.020 --> 01:22:25.000
and handled in any way.

01:22:25.000 --> 01:22:25.900
Cadaver obedience.

01:22:26.280 --> 01:22:29.080
Now, John, you know, you've talked about
this cadaver obedience.

01:22:29.760 --> 01:22:33.220
Are we seeing that kind of thing in the
structure of the Adventist Church?

01:22:33.240 --> 01:22:34.640
Adventism, I guess we are.

01:22:34.880 --> 01:22:35.620
Cadaver obedience.

01:22:35.840 --> 01:22:37.200
I don't want to see these videos.

01:22:37.360 --> 01:22:38.560
I don't want to hear anything about it.

01:22:38.580 --> 01:22:39.800
I don't want to read any material.

01:22:40.720 --> 01:22:41.620
I don't care.

01:22:41.720 --> 01:22:43.640
I'm staying with the structure no matter
what.

01:22:43.820 --> 01:22:45.300
I don't want to hear any of this stuff.

01:22:45.400 --> 01:22:46.280
Get it away from me.

01:22:46.620 --> 01:22:47.980
You know, it's the same.

01:22:48.640 --> 01:22:51.820
The ship is going through, the ship is
going through, the ship is going through.

01:22:52.040 --> 01:22:53.860
And where did all those ideas come from?

01:22:53.860 --> 01:22:55.720
This cadaver obedience.

01:22:56.420 --> 01:22:57.300
Where did the idea come from?

01:22:57.300 --> 01:22:57.660
Catholicism.

01:22:57.920 --> 01:23:01.420
It's Catholicism and it's Jesuitism in a
very marked way.

01:23:02.100 --> 01:23:08.480
Jesuit principles, you see, have taken
hold in the hierarchy of the Seventh-day

01:23:08.480 --> 01:23:13.520
Adventist Church with the pastors and the
administrators and the conference leaders.

01:23:14.040 --> 01:23:16.680
And now it's spreading out over the
people.

01:23:17.080 --> 01:23:20.880
We even have the Aaron and Her Club now,
which I think you were discussing in

01:23:20.880 --> 01:23:21.900
another video.

01:23:21.900 --> 01:23:26.360
But in the Aaron and Her Club,
the people are encouraged to sign up to be

01:23:26.360 --> 01:23:28.960
members of the club and even carry a card.

01:23:29.480 --> 01:23:30.840
Whip their Aaron and Her card out.

01:23:30.840 --> 01:23:34.360
Their Aaron and Her card out that they are
going to support their leaders and uphold

01:23:34.360 --> 01:23:35.980
their hands.

01:23:36.140 --> 01:23:39.360
And they're going to oppose all criticism
of all kinds.

01:23:39.720 --> 01:23:43.040
And they're going to make life miserable
for the people who don't join the Aaron

01:23:43.040 --> 01:23:43.600
and Her Club.

01:23:43.700 --> 01:23:45.320
Listen, Terry Ross had a great idea.

01:23:45.500 --> 01:23:48.040
The Lord's really given him a clever mind.

01:23:48.300 --> 01:23:49.300
What would you think of this?

01:23:49.300 --> 01:23:55.200
If the faithful independent ministries
started a Moses and Elijah Club that came

01:23:55.200 --> 01:24:00.580
down and comforted Jesus on the Mount of
Transfiguration and whenever one of the

01:24:00.580 --> 01:24:05.960
corporate structure people whip out their
Aaron and Her card, that we whip out our

01:24:05.960 --> 01:24:09.740
Elijah and Moses card and say that we
support...

01:24:09.740 --> 01:24:15.600
You see, it was Moses and Elijah that
supported Jesus just before the conference

01:24:15.600 --> 01:24:16.560
crucified Him.

01:24:16.560 --> 01:24:21.880
So you see, just before the corporate
structure crucifies the true and faithful

01:24:21.880 --> 01:24:27.820
as they did Jesus, we need to have a Moses
and Elijah Club that supports the true and

01:24:27.820 --> 01:24:30.040
faithful as the conference is preparing to
kill them.

01:24:30.440 --> 01:24:31.360
Interesting concept.

01:24:32.340 --> 01:24:37.320
Wiley goes on to tell us how Loyola tried
to fashion an order that would duplicate

01:24:37.320 --> 01:24:41.840
the kind of courage and fearlessness that
the emissaries of the gospel had.

01:24:41.840 --> 01:24:45.820
It was to be a counterfeit all the way
through, through its conversion process

01:24:45.820 --> 01:24:48.220
right down to its apostolate.

01:24:48.880 --> 01:24:54.920
And you see, when I was at the seminary,
John, I had a professor in class who

01:24:54.920 --> 01:24:57.700
lauded the Jesuits to the skies to us.

01:24:57.760 --> 01:25:02.500
He told us what wonderful missionaries
they were and how the monks had kept alive

01:25:02.500 --> 01:25:04.820
knowledge and learning during the dark
ages.

01:25:04.820 --> 01:25:08.300
Well, anyone who knows history knows that
the Roman Catholic Church almost

01:25:08.300 --> 01:25:13.280
completely annihilated intellectual life
in Europe in the dark ages.

01:25:13.380 --> 01:25:14.860
That's why they were the dark ages.

01:25:14.920 --> 01:25:19.940
There was a set of principles that gained
control which almost annihilated

01:25:19.940 --> 01:25:21.060
intellectual activity.

01:25:21.100 --> 01:25:22.960
They chained the Bibles to monastery
walls.

01:25:23.160 --> 01:25:28.300
And the Latin term for the laity was the
swine peccas or the herd of swine.

01:25:28.400 --> 01:25:30.340
I mean, they treated them like cattle.

01:25:30.340 --> 01:25:36.900
I mean, and to say that that was a time of
intellectual, you know, the exalting of

01:25:36.900 --> 01:25:39.200
the arts and everything, what a laugh!

01:25:39.380 --> 01:25:43.280
That's when the world took a giant step
backwards was when the papacy was in

01:25:43.280 --> 01:25:43.640
control.

01:25:43.860 --> 01:25:44.200
That's right.

01:25:44.360 --> 01:25:46.300
That's why it's called the dark ages,
I should say.

01:25:46.560 --> 01:25:52.360
So, see, when we in Protestant Adventism
see these principles gaining control,

01:25:52.420 --> 01:25:54.200
we have to know where they came from.

01:25:54.260 --> 01:25:57.200
That's why we're spending a little time
here on the Jesuits.

01:25:57.200 --> 01:26:03.200
John, we have a very significant chapter
now on the moral code of the Jesuits.

01:26:03.380 --> 01:26:07.720
And this is so significant because it
deals with the way people think,

01:26:07.900 --> 01:26:09.900
the principles that they adopt.

01:26:10.280 --> 01:26:14.880
Ellen White tells us that when the schools
of the prophets were established in

01:26:14.880 --> 01:26:23.600
ancient Israel, and the young men studied
the Proverbs of Solomon and the Psalms,

01:26:23.900 --> 01:26:31.740
that the nation reached a height of
grandeur that it was never seen to equal

01:26:31.740 --> 01:26:32.260
since.

01:26:32.900 --> 01:26:38.820
But here we're now going to look at maxims
that are designed to destroy the human

01:26:38.820 --> 01:26:39.400
spirit.

01:26:40.300 --> 01:26:42.300
Nothing was left unthought of.

01:26:42.320 --> 01:26:43.680
This is page 393.

01:26:44.240 --> 01:26:48.180
Nothing was left unthought of and
unprovided for which might assist them,

01:26:48.240 --> 01:26:51.880
that is the Jesuits, in covering their
opponents with defeat and crowning

01:26:51.880 --> 01:26:52.700
themselves with victory.

01:26:52.780 --> 01:26:53.700
So they had a mission.

01:26:54.440 --> 01:26:59.600
And lest anyone think that this concept of
a mission for the Jesuits has died out in

01:26:59.600 --> 01:27:05.780
this book, The Jesuits, we read of the
challenges of the popes in our day to

01:27:05.780 --> 01:27:08.060
tackle this area or that area.

01:27:08.700 --> 01:27:12.540
He will challenge the Jesuits to go in
there and deal with this and that.

01:27:14.280 --> 01:27:17.760
Crowning themselves with victory,
they were set free from every obligation,

01:27:17.960 --> 01:27:20.600
whether imposed by the natural or the
divine law.

01:27:21.120 --> 01:27:25.880
Every stratagem, artifice, and disguise
were lawful to men in whose favor all

01:27:25.880 --> 01:27:29.220
distinction between right and wrong had
been abolished.

01:27:29.220 --> 01:27:33.120
They might assume as many shapes as
Proteus and exhibit as many colors as the

01:27:33.120 --> 01:27:33.600
chameleon.

01:27:33.920 --> 01:27:36.620
They stood apart and alone among the human
race.

01:27:37.120 --> 01:27:39.000
First of all, they were cut off from
country.

01:27:39.580 --> 01:27:43.860
Their vow bound them to go to whatever
land their general might send them and to

01:27:43.860 --> 01:27:45.460
remain there as long as he might appoint.

01:27:46.260 --> 01:27:48.020
Their country was the society.

01:27:48.580 --> 01:27:50.400
They were cut off from family and friends.

01:27:50.400 --> 01:27:53.740
Their vow taught them to forget their
father's house and to esteem themselves

01:27:53.740 --> 01:27:58.180
wholly only when every affection and
desire which nature had planted in their

01:27:58.180 --> 01:27:59.600
breasts had been plucked up by the roots.

01:27:59.700 --> 01:28:01.040
And Ellen White talks about this.

01:28:01.560 --> 01:28:05.680
And she refers to them as a chameleon,
too, so we know that she got it from

01:28:05.680 --> 01:28:06.400
Wiley, sure.

01:28:06.680 --> 01:28:10.340
They were cut off from property and
wealth, for although the society was

01:28:10.340 --> 01:28:13.460
immensely rich, its individual members
possessed nothing.

01:28:13.940 --> 01:28:17.420
Nor could they cherish the hope of ever
becoming personally wealthy, seeing they

01:28:17.420 --> 01:28:19.200
had taken a vow of perpetual poverty.

01:28:19.660 --> 01:28:23.880
If at chance that a rich relative died and
left them his heirs, the general relieved

01:28:23.880 --> 01:28:27.960
them of their vow and sent them back into
the world for so long a time as might

01:28:27.960 --> 01:28:31.600
enable them to take possession of the
wealth of which they had been named the

01:28:31.600 --> 01:28:31.720
heirs.

01:28:31.780 --> 01:28:35.960
Notice, they could renounce and lay off
their vows and go and do something else

01:28:35.960 --> 01:28:36.580
and come back.

01:28:36.840 --> 01:28:39.920
And we have these former Jesuits like
Malachy Martin writing books.

01:28:40.960 --> 01:28:45.420
With the Jesuit order, they could renounce
the vows and then come back to them later.

01:28:45.420 --> 01:28:50.240
And I'm finding more and more of these
former Jesuits writing books.

01:28:52.180 --> 01:28:55.680
But this done, they returned laden with
their booty and resuming their vow as

01:28:55.680 --> 01:28:59.060
Jesuits laid every penny of their newly
acquired riches at the feet of the

01:28:59.060 --> 01:28:59.340
general.

01:28:59.760 --> 01:29:05.120
Now, this is the classical understanding
of the Jesuits by a man who understood

01:29:05.120 --> 01:29:10.080
them perhaps better than almost any other
individual, Wiley, who was a lecturer on

01:29:10.080 --> 01:29:11.740
the papacy.

01:29:12.160 --> 01:29:14.060
They were cut off, moreover, from the
state.

01:29:14.060 --> 01:29:18.640
They were discharged from all civil and
national relationships and duties.

01:29:19.160 --> 01:29:21.560
They were under a higher code than the
national one.

01:29:22.020 --> 01:29:26.420
The institutions, namely, which Loyola had
edited and the Spirit of God had inspired,

01:29:26.600 --> 01:29:27.040
they thought.

01:29:27.360 --> 01:29:30.460
And they were the subjects of a higher
monarch than the sovereign of the nation,

01:29:30.540 --> 01:29:31.180
their own general.

01:29:31.180 --> 01:29:35.800
So here you have a class of men whose
supreme allegiance is to the general and

01:29:35.800 --> 01:29:40.640
to the constitutions of their society
rather than to the nation to which they

01:29:40.640 --> 01:29:44.500
belong and the president and executive of
that nation.

01:29:44.940 --> 01:29:47.600
Nay more, the Jesuits were cut off even
from the Pope.

01:29:47.980 --> 01:29:52.020
For if their general held the place of the
omnipotent God, much more did he hold the

01:29:52.020 --> 01:29:52.840
place of his vicar.

01:29:52.840 --> 01:29:57.120
And so it was, in fact, for soon the
members of the Society of Jesus came to

01:29:57.120 --> 01:29:59.520
recognize no laws but their own.

01:30:00.020 --> 01:30:04.240
And though at their first formation they
professed to have no end but the defense

01:30:04.240 --> 01:30:08.660
and glory of the papal see, it came to
pass when they grew to be strong that

01:30:08.660 --> 01:30:12.940
instead of serving the tiara, they
compelled the tiara to serve the society.

01:30:13.020 --> 01:30:16.580
They compelled the Pope to serve the
society and made their own wealth,

01:30:16.780 --> 01:30:19.360
power, and dominion the one grand object
of their existence.

01:30:19.360 --> 01:30:24.080
They were a papacy within the papacy,
a papacy whose organization was more

01:30:24.080 --> 01:30:28.100
perfect, whose instincts were more cruel,
whose workings were more mysterious,

01:30:28.440 --> 01:30:31.300
and whose dominion was more destructive
than that of the old papacy.

01:30:31.300 --> 01:30:36.120
And now it's recognized that we have a new
order today, Opus Dei, which is even more

01:30:36.120 --> 01:30:39.840
secretive than them, and which has
received the papal approval and has

01:30:39.840 --> 01:30:46.120
received a unique status in the society of
Catholicism which no other order has,

01:30:46.580 --> 01:30:50.580
and which is recognized to be built and
patterned on the lines of the Jesuits.

01:30:50.580 --> 01:30:55.220
Now, Adolf Hitler said that he learned
more from the Jesuits than from anything

01:30:55.220 --> 01:30:59.920
else, and he patterned his whole system
after the Jesuits, and he said more than

01:30:59.920 --> 01:31:02.080
that, he said Lenin did exactly the same
thing.

01:31:02.400 --> 01:31:09.200
So the two great totalitarian systems of
communism and Nazism were patterned on the

01:31:09.200 --> 01:31:15.460
order of the Jesuits, and they even took
the punishments of the society of Jesus

01:31:15.460 --> 01:31:19.340
and utilized them in their organization.

01:31:19.340 --> 01:31:25.960
To think that Nazism and communism have
both been founded on Jesuit Roman Catholic

01:31:25.960 --> 01:31:28.380
philosophy is just mind-boggling.

01:31:28.440 --> 01:31:29.400
Yet it makes sense!

01:31:29.520 --> 01:31:30.160
Look at them!

01:31:30.820 --> 01:31:36.940
The most cruel, despotic governments that
have ruled the world in the 20th century!

01:31:37.640 --> 01:31:49.140
Yes, the statement by Hitler regarding him
actually patterning after the... Here it

01:31:49.140 --> 01:31:53.980
is, and this was reported by Hermann
Roschning, who died in 1982.

01:31:54.260 --> 01:31:58.940
He was a one-time crony of Hitler's who
fled from Germany in 1936.

01:31:58.940 --> 01:32:03.480
He reported a conversation in which Hitler
himself acknowledged a much more direct

01:32:03.480 --> 01:32:04.040
connection.

01:32:04.780 --> 01:32:08.980
Quote, above all, I have learned from the
Jesuits, and so did Lenin too,

01:32:09.060 --> 01:32:10.060
as far as I recall.

01:32:10.480 --> 01:32:14.500
The world has never known anything quite
so splendid as the hierarchical structure

01:32:14.500 --> 01:32:15.520
of the Catholic Church.

01:32:15.980 --> 01:32:20.520
There are quite a few things that I simply
appropriated from the Jesuits for the use

01:32:20.520 --> 01:32:21.200
of the party.

01:32:22.020 --> 01:32:23.340
Who was it that said that?

01:32:23.360 --> 01:32:23.540
Hitler.

01:32:25.260 --> 01:32:27.020
Talk about Jesuit influence.

01:32:27.460 --> 01:32:29.340
This concept of the end justifies the
means.

01:32:29.420 --> 01:32:30.260
And that's only the beginning.

01:32:30.400 --> 01:32:34.540
We're going to be looking at other Jesuit
intellectual maxims and customs,

01:32:34.680 --> 01:32:38.300
which have permeated through American
society.

01:32:38.600 --> 01:32:42.080
And if we have enough time on this tape,
we want to look at the philosophical

01:32:42.080 --> 01:32:47.460
underpinnings of Nazism and Communism,
which have penetrated all through our

01:32:47.460 --> 01:32:49.280
society, as well as Adventism.

01:32:49.280 --> 01:32:53.480
Bob, I know that some of our Adventist
people will say, oh John, how dare you say

01:32:53.480 --> 01:32:54.020
something like that.

01:32:54.100 --> 01:32:58.900
Listen, that's what Neil Wilson said when
he was president of the General

01:32:58.900 --> 01:32:59.560
Conference.

01:32:59.960 --> 01:33:04.340
Neil Wilson said in court, under oath,
that the Seventh-day Adventist

01:33:04.340 --> 01:33:09.020
organizational structural system
paralleled that of the Roman Papacy.

01:33:09.460 --> 01:33:12.960
And if Hitler liked the system of the
Roman Papacy, he would love the system of

01:33:12.960 --> 01:33:13.700
the General Conference.

01:33:13.920 --> 01:33:18.380
Because according to the leaders of our
structure, that's exactly the same type of

01:33:18.380 --> 01:33:18.700
system.

01:33:18.700 --> 01:33:21.200
So, you know, don't get shocked at what I
say, folks.

01:33:21.240 --> 01:33:22.080
This is established.

01:33:25.060 --> 01:33:26.860
It's appalling when you think about it.

01:33:26.980 --> 01:33:28.240
It is so foreign.

01:33:28.360 --> 01:33:34.300
You see, when the individual really
undergoes the new birth, Christ becomes

01:33:34.300 --> 01:33:36.680
the King of his life and the Lord of his
life.

01:33:36.980 --> 01:33:42.740
And then the person has to have liberty to
allow the new King of his life to function

01:33:42.740 --> 01:33:43.620
in his life.

01:33:43.620 --> 01:33:46.440
He is part of the dynamic Kingdom of God.

01:33:46.900 --> 01:33:49.600
And that overthrows this whole system of
Jesuitism.

01:33:49.860 --> 01:33:55.340
But Jesuitism was designed to overthrow
that system of true conversion and true

01:33:55.340 --> 01:33:55.980
Protestantism.

01:33:56.200 --> 01:34:00.520
So this is where the crux of the battle is
at in the minds and hearts of men.

01:34:00.880 --> 01:34:04.800
Oh, this becomes mind-boggling sometimes.

01:34:05.200 --> 01:34:11.320
The Lord has to clear your mind and give
you clearness of reason to absorb all this

01:34:11.320 --> 01:34:11.600
stuff.

01:34:11.600 --> 01:34:16.980
The devil has tried to make it so complex
and so confusing that God's people can't

01:34:16.980 --> 01:34:17.520
understand it.

01:34:17.540 --> 01:34:20.500
But God's people can understand it if
they'll just ask for the illumination of

01:34:20.500 --> 01:34:21.400
God's Holy Spirit.

01:34:21.560 --> 01:34:23.740
You can see through all this maze.

01:34:23.740 --> 01:34:30.120
Well, I wonder, John, why did I go through
all of our educational system from grade 2

01:34:30.120 --> 01:34:30.660
on?

01:34:31.480 --> 01:34:38.380
Academy, college, graduate school,
you know, and the classes of two master's

01:34:38.380 --> 01:34:38.780
programs.

01:34:39.580 --> 01:34:44.760
And never once did we have this for a
textbook.

01:34:45.740 --> 01:34:47.180
I can't believe it.

01:34:47.180 --> 01:34:49.940
You know, it's astounding to me.

01:34:50.020 --> 01:34:54.840
No wonder today hardly anyone knows what
Protestantism really is anymore.

01:34:55.260 --> 01:34:56.780
No one hardly experiences it.

01:34:57.360 --> 01:35:02.820
And if we don't, John, here's the thing,
if we don't read and study the Word of God

01:35:02.820 --> 01:35:07.660
and adopt its principles and know what the
issues are, we're not even in a position

01:35:07.660 --> 01:35:10.380
to judge whether or not there's Jesuit
influence in the church.

01:35:10.380 --> 01:35:11.460
That's the problem.

01:35:11.560 --> 01:35:15.160
The blind are leading the blind,
and they're both falling into the ditch

01:35:15.160 --> 01:35:18.040
because spiritual things are spiritually
discerned.

01:35:18.040 --> 01:35:22.880
And you have to have a perspective outside
of Catholicism in order to judge the

01:35:22.880 --> 01:35:24.160
presence of Catholicism.

01:35:26.760 --> 01:35:29.780
So stood the Society of Jesus,
page 394.

01:35:29.900 --> 01:35:33.840
A deep and wide gulf separated it from all
other communities and interests.

01:35:34.600 --> 01:35:39.040
Now, another reason why we're interested
now in doing a rather systematic look here

01:35:39.040 --> 01:35:43.480
at the Jesuit order is because of the
training of Bill Clinton, and we'll get to

01:35:43.480 --> 01:35:46.800
that in a little bit, and his connections
with the New World Order.

01:35:48.200 --> 01:35:51.980
A deep and wide gulf separated it,
that's the Society, from all other

01:35:51.980 --> 01:35:55.660
communities and interests, set free from
the love of family, from the ties of

01:35:55.660 --> 01:36:00.480
kindred, from the claims of country,
and from the rule of law, careless of the

01:36:00.480 --> 01:36:04.040
happiness they might destroy and the
misery and pain and woe they might

01:36:04.040 --> 01:36:04.360
inflict.

01:36:04.840 --> 01:36:08.200
The members were at liberty without
control or challenge to pursue their

01:36:08.200 --> 01:36:13.140
terrible end, which was the dethronement
of every other power, the extinction of

01:36:13.140 --> 01:36:17.620
every other interest but their own,
and the reduction of mankind into abject

01:36:17.620 --> 01:36:21.520
slavery, that on the ruins of the liberty,
the virtue, and the happiness of the

01:36:21.520 --> 01:36:25.300
world, they might raise themselves to
supreme unlimited dominion.

01:36:25.300 --> 01:36:29.440
In the midst of these abysses there opens
to our eye a yet profounder abyss.

01:36:30.100 --> 01:36:34.040
To enjoy exemption from all human
authority and from every earthly law was

01:36:34.040 --> 01:36:35.020
to them a small matter.

01:36:35.640 --> 01:36:40.300
Nothing would satisfy their lust for
license save the entire abrogation of the

01:36:40.300 --> 01:36:45.120
moral law, and nothing would appease their
pride save to trample underfoot the

01:36:45.120 --> 01:36:45.840
majesty of heaven.

01:36:46.220 --> 01:36:51.480
Now if our personal liberty depends on our
submission to the moral law of the Ten

01:36:51.480 --> 01:36:57.320
Commandments, the perfect law of liberty,
then the Sabbath, you see, becomes the

01:36:57.320 --> 01:37:01.700
secret of power of God's people at the end
of time, because it is the sign of their

01:37:01.700 --> 01:37:05.600
submission to the sovereignty of God and
their deliverance from the papacy.

01:37:05.840 --> 01:37:09.900
God's people will find their power in the
sign spoken of in Exodus 31, Ellen White

01:37:09.900 --> 01:37:10.160
says.

01:37:10.840 --> 01:37:15.940
And so this is all part of what I believe
what it means to proclaim the Sabbath more

01:37:15.940 --> 01:37:16.240
fully.

01:37:16.580 --> 01:37:21.060
Because proclaiming the Sabbath more fully
means that you understand what undergirds

01:37:21.060 --> 01:37:21.500
the Sabbath.

01:37:22.260 --> 01:37:27.020
Protestantism, the Bible, the whole
message of submission to God.

01:37:27.120 --> 01:37:30.940
Now the Jesuit order, you see here,
according to Wiley, the classical

01:37:30.940 --> 01:37:37.420
understanding of the Jesuit order is that
they would stop at nothing to destroy the

01:37:37.420 --> 01:37:37.900
moral law.

01:37:38.000 --> 01:37:43.320
Now we have seen the destruction of the
moral law in the minds of society here in

01:37:43.320 --> 01:37:44.240
America, haven't we?

01:37:44.240 --> 01:37:46.300
In the minds of Adventists, Bob.

01:37:46.380 --> 01:37:51.120
I never thought I'd see Adventists saying,
so-called Adventists, saying the things

01:37:51.120 --> 01:37:53.060
that they are saying about the moral law
of God.

01:37:53.240 --> 01:37:58.080
It used to be that we would have to do
battle with the Sunday keepers over the

01:37:58.080 --> 01:37:58.900
moral law of God.

01:37:59.060 --> 01:38:03.360
Now, forget about them, I'm doing battle
with my fellow Adventists over the moral

01:38:03.360 --> 01:38:03.880
law of God.

01:38:04.040 --> 01:38:07.080
How can we preach the three angels'
message and vindicate the law of God to

01:38:07.080 --> 01:38:11.860
the world when we're having the big
skirmish that we are among our own people

01:38:11.860 --> 01:38:14.640
over vindicating the law of God.

01:38:14.780 --> 01:38:18.920
I mean, the very thing that I was going
with Sunday keepers is now going on in the

01:38:18.920 --> 01:38:19.640
Adventist church.

01:38:19.760 --> 01:38:21.300
And what does the new theology teach?

01:38:21.640 --> 01:38:23.140
That it's impossible to keep the law of
God.

01:38:23.140 --> 01:38:24.060
It's impossible to keep it.

01:38:24.260 --> 01:38:27.480
All you have to do is love Jesus and He
did everything for you on Calvary.

01:38:27.600 --> 01:38:30.120
And that has really become the new creed.

01:38:30.120 --> 01:38:36.780
As I watched that Kenneth Cox interview
that you rebutted so admirably,

01:38:39.920 --> 01:38:46.320
the idea of a creed kept coming up and he
kept paying lip service to the Bible.

01:38:46.460 --> 01:38:48.780
But in reality, his creed was not the
Bible.

01:38:48.800 --> 01:38:50.640
No, it was an ecumenical creed.

01:38:50.760 --> 01:38:54.000
He was not saying about Rome what the
Bible says about Rome at all.

01:38:54.120 --> 01:38:57.380
And did you notice how big buddies he was
with George Crosby, that Baptist

01:38:57.380 --> 01:38:58.100
commentator?

01:38:58.100 --> 01:39:00.340
You know, we're on the same team.

01:39:00.920 --> 01:39:02.280
Along with the Archbishop.

01:39:02.500 --> 01:39:03.640
Yes, along with the Archbishop.

01:39:03.740 --> 01:39:06.300
As soon as the Sabbath would come up or
any of the things...

01:39:06.300 --> 01:39:08.100
Oh no, we're together on this.

01:39:08.200 --> 01:39:10.120
You know, you don't have to become a
Seventh-day Adventist.

01:39:10.120 --> 01:39:13.440
You don't have to believe in the Sabbath
and Kenneth Cox would just smile,

01:39:13.640 --> 01:39:16.960
laugh, you know, and say, That's right,
just love Jesus and follow the Bible.

01:39:17.040 --> 01:39:18.180
That's all that matters.

01:39:18.240 --> 01:39:19.400
And we're on the same team.

01:39:19.660 --> 01:39:22.460
Well, listen, how can we be on the same
team with Babel and Bob?

01:39:22.560 --> 01:39:22.800
Right.

01:39:23.060 --> 01:39:26.300
And this is a creed of just
lovey-dovey-ness.

01:39:26.300 --> 01:39:30.580
Lovey-dovey, sentimentalism, as Ellen
White calls it.

01:39:30.660 --> 01:39:34.420
That lovey-dovey, what she called it,
a goody-goody religion is what Mrs. White

01:39:34.420 --> 01:39:34.860
called it.

01:39:35.780 --> 01:39:39.020
And now we want to look at the moral code
of the Jesuits.

01:39:39.560 --> 01:39:44.180
And here's what Wiley says, The keynote of
their ethical code is the famous maxim

01:39:44.180 --> 01:39:47.280
that the end sanctifies the means.

01:39:47.540 --> 01:39:49.360
The end justifies the means.

01:39:49.440 --> 01:39:52.920
Like you say, that ran through Terry and
I's video of New Age Adventism III,

01:39:53.120 --> 01:39:54.800
and you'll see it in IV also.

01:39:54.800 --> 01:39:59.740
This is, you know, as long as we get
baptisms out of it in church growth,

01:40:00.140 --> 01:40:03.320
what difference does it make how we do it?

01:40:03.520 --> 01:40:09.720
I mean, if we have to have a burlesque
show, or a drag strip, or a horse race to

01:40:09.720 --> 01:40:13.860
get them to church, hey, whatever it
takes, the end justifies the means,

01:40:13.940 --> 01:40:14.280
you know?

01:40:14.800 --> 01:40:18.440
That's the keynote of the ethical code of
the Jesuits.

01:40:18.500 --> 01:40:22.000
So we have to, when we see that in
Adventism, we have to ask, where did it

01:40:22.000 --> 01:40:22.520
come from?

01:40:22.520 --> 01:40:24.740
What parallels it, you know?

01:40:24.900 --> 01:40:26.180
What is the origin of it?

01:40:26.960 --> 01:40:31.100
Before that maxim, the eternal distinction
of right and wrong vanishes.

01:40:31.800 --> 01:40:33.220
See, everything then becomes relative.

01:40:34.500 --> 01:40:36.600
And the end justifies the means.

01:40:36.800 --> 01:40:38.480
The end makes the means okay.

01:40:38.560 --> 01:40:41.120
As long as we get them baptized,
that's all that matters.

01:40:41.320 --> 01:40:45.300
Not only do the stringency and sanctions
of human law dissolve and disappear,

01:40:45.640 --> 01:40:48.720
but the authority and majesty of the
Decalogue are overthrown.

01:40:48.720 --> 01:40:53.980
There are no conceivable crime,
villainy, and atrocity which this maxim

01:40:53.980 --> 01:40:55.000
will not justify.

01:40:55.740 --> 01:40:56.980
Now we're talking about a principle.

01:40:57.440 --> 01:41:01.880
Nay, such become dutiful and holy,
provided they be done for the greater

01:41:01.880 --> 01:41:06.420
glory of God, by which the Jesuit means
the honor, interest, and advancement of

01:41:06.420 --> 01:41:06.520
his society.

01:41:06.520 --> 01:41:12.760
Who would ever believe that our leadership
would condone hypnosis, New Age

01:41:12.760 --> 01:41:18.820
techniques, Pentecostalism, speaking in
tongues, rock music, any of this stuff?

01:41:18.940 --> 01:41:22.320
Who would ever believe the day would come,
Adventists with white hair, who would ever

01:41:22.320 --> 01:41:27.080
believe that our leadership of the
structure would ever advocate this stuff

01:41:27.080 --> 01:41:30.380
to facilitate church growth and evangelism
in the name of evangelism?

01:41:30.700 --> 01:41:31.400
God deliver us.

01:41:31.420 --> 01:41:35.840
See, the end is church growth,
and anything that produces that can be

01:41:35.840 --> 01:41:36.220
justified.

01:41:36.440 --> 01:41:36.640
That's right.

01:41:36.860 --> 01:41:38.300
That is the Jesuit crime.

01:41:38.300 --> 01:41:40.520
Look at how many people are coming to
church.

01:41:40.980 --> 01:41:42.140
Look, it works.

01:41:42.200 --> 01:41:44.020
Who's to argue with it if it works?

01:41:44.020 --> 01:41:45.600
That wholesome of church growth.

01:41:45.780 --> 01:41:49.100
By the way, John, I want to show you
another book here that's very interesting.

01:41:50.400 --> 01:41:56.260
I think I mentioned in an earlier video
about how I used to be on the Jesuit

01:41:56.260 --> 01:41:59.440
mailing list, and I received their catalog
of books.

01:41:59.960 --> 01:42:03.020
And about five, six, seven years ago,
I got a book.

01:42:03.960 --> 01:42:06.420
I thought that was a Seventh-day Adventist
book.

01:42:07.620 --> 01:42:07.980
No.

01:42:08.940 --> 01:42:10.440
A Caring Church.

01:42:11.220 --> 01:42:11.560
No, no.

01:42:11.560 --> 01:42:13.360
That's a Seventh-day Adventist term.

01:42:13.360 --> 01:42:22.660
That's the whole... that's the slogan of
our corporate structure, A Caring Church.

01:42:22.840 --> 01:42:23.620
Where did it come from?

01:42:23.980 --> 01:42:25.740
Well, Roman... the same thing.

01:42:25.880 --> 01:42:29.840
We got everything else for church growth,
from Roman Catholicism and New Age.

01:42:29.860 --> 01:42:33.100
Well, one day I went to my mailbox,
and there was the catalog there from the

01:42:33.100 --> 01:42:33.460
Jesuits.

01:42:34.100 --> 01:42:37.380
And one of the major books they were
pushing was The Caring Church.

01:42:37.600 --> 01:42:38.460
The Caring Church.

01:42:38.460 --> 01:42:42.740
And here I had been seeing it in camp
meetings, you know, this slogan,

01:42:42.900 --> 01:42:43.840
The Caring Church.

01:42:44.580 --> 01:42:45.540
The Caring Church.

01:42:46.200 --> 01:42:50.300
And then I thought, isn't this so
interesting that the Jesuit order is

01:42:50.300 --> 01:42:52.560
promoting this concept of The Caring
Church.

01:42:52.680 --> 01:42:59.800
So we had some of our contacts contact the
Jesuits directly and ask them what books

01:42:59.800 --> 01:43:01.920
they recommended on The Caring Church.

01:43:02.140 --> 01:43:04.440
And this was the first one that came in
which they had recommended.

01:43:04.660 --> 01:43:05.520
A Caring Church.

01:43:05.520 --> 01:43:05.960
A Caring Church.

01:43:05.960 --> 01:43:08.400
Notice, through shepherding ministries.

01:43:08.640 --> 01:43:14.880
You see, what the general conference used
to say is, The Caring Church that

01:43:14.880 --> 01:43:16.640
disfellowships the true and faithful.

01:43:17.100 --> 01:43:19.360
See, in little letters under it.

01:43:19.380 --> 01:43:20.240
That's right, that's right.

01:43:20.400 --> 01:43:22.620
That shows what they really care about.

01:43:22.720 --> 01:43:22.940
Yeah, right.

01:43:23.460 --> 01:43:28.760
And incidentally, the whole idea of
caring, philosophically in our day,

01:43:29.080 --> 01:43:34.160
it's a term from Heidegger, who was a
German philosopher, who built on the

01:43:34.160 --> 01:43:35.300
philosophies of Nietzsche.

01:43:35.300 --> 01:43:36.820
And we want to get into this a little
later.

01:43:37.280 --> 01:43:42.540
But what he said is that since we live in
an existential time, in other words,

01:43:42.600 --> 01:43:46.880
a time where we don't really believe that
God has any interaction with us,

01:43:46.880 --> 01:43:50.320
and there's really nothing behind us or
ahead of us, and all that there really is

01:43:50.320 --> 01:43:56.440
is human experience, and just being here,
we have to show care or concern.

01:43:57.140 --> 01:43:58.040
Sorge in German.

01:43:58.360 --> 01:43:59.480
We have to show care.

01:43:59.920 --> 01:44:03.280
And therefore, caring is what validates
human life.

01:44:03.280 --> 01:44:07.360
But it's part of a whole system that says
that God is dead for all practical

01:44:07.360 --> 01:44:07.880
purposes.

01:44:08.180 --> 01:44:10.400
And it comes right out of existentialism.

01:44:10.480 --> 01:44:12.460
We want to look at this a little later on.

01:44:12.940 --> 01:44:17.980
But this is one reason why we see this
term, caring, so much.

01:44:18.100 --> 01:44:22.720
Anyway, what was interesting to me was
when I got this book, I looked at the

01:44:22.720 --> 01:44:24.540
foreword and looked at who wrote the
foreword.

01:44:24.620 --> 01:44:25.360
Do you know who it was?

01:44:25.560 --> 01:44:25.680
Who?

01:44:26.360 --> 01:44:26.700
C.

01:44:26.780 --> 01:44:30.380
Peter Wagner, Professor of Church Growth,
Fuller Theological Seminary.

01:44:30.380 --> 01:44:32.500
Everything is Fuller, Babylonian Seminary.

01:44:32.500 --> 01:44:35.280
You have heard about Fuller, haven't you?

01:44:35.400 --> 01:44:36.500
You've been talking about it.

01:44:36.800 --> 01:44:39.920
And the man who wrote the book was a
graduate of Fuller.

01:44:40.400 --> 01:44:42.280
So I thought that was significant.

01:44:42.560 --> 01:44:45.000
You know, when Tex Mars was here,
we're going to be coming out with his

01:44:45.000 --> 01:44:46.920
video right after yours.

01:44:47.060 --> 01:44:49.640
I guess I've left the cat out of the bag.

01:44:49.980 --> 01:44:54.200
We have interviewed Tex Mars, and the
Secret Brotherhood is the name of his

01:44:54.200 --> 01:44:55.840
video, my interview with him.

01:44:56.200 --> 01:44:59.960
And he just lays this thing open about
Fuller.

01:44:59.960 --> 01:45:04.900
I mean, the stuff they have uncovered at
Fuller, you know, people wonder how you

01:45:04.900 --> 01:45:07.260
and I, why you and I are still alive.

01:45:07.260 --> 01:45:10.380
And we know it's because the Lord is
protecting us, Bob.

01:45:10.640 --> 01:45:17.460
But the Lord is keeping Tex Mars alive,
too, because he has exposed the Jesuit and

01:45:17.460 --> 01:45:20.880
New Age infiltration of Fuller Theological
Seminary.

01:45:22.500 --> 01:45:25.700
Of many things that you and I have not
touched on.

01:45:25.860 --> 01:45:29.240
And, you know, the Lord just has to keep
us alive as we expose this stuff.

01:45:29.240 --> 01:45:34.420
Because it is cutting right at the heart
of what is considered Christianity in

01:45:34.420 --> 01:45:35.460
today's world.

01:45:35.780 --> 01:45:36.100
That's right.

01:45:36.680 --> 01:45:39.700
And see, the Caring Church is a function
of the church growth movement.

01:45:39.820 --> 01:45:41.160
It builds on the church growth movement.

01:45:41.900 --> 01:45:44.700
And so you have church growth,
Caring Church, you have a whole new

01:45:44.700 --> 01:45:46.580
religion that has come in.

01:45:46.900 --> 01:45:48.920
A religion of the end justifying the mean.

01:45:48.980 --> 01:45:54.400
And guess what denomination, just like
what denomination is foremost in promoting

01:45:54.400 --> 01:45:58.680
neuro-linguistic programming, guess what
denomination is sending most of its

01:45:58.680 --> 01:46:00.600
pastors to Fuller Theological Seminary?

01:46:01.020 --> 01:46:01.380
Probably on.

01:46:01.440 --> 01:46:03.020
Seventh-day Adventists!

01:46:03.120 --> 01:46:09.720
I mean, we are leading the pack in
apostasy in the so-called Christian world.

01:46:09.840 --> 01:46:10.780
It's just unbelievable.

01:46:11.020 --> 01:46:14.340
John, when I was at the seminary,
the fellows that were interested in going

01:46:14.340 --> 01:46:18.360
on for doctorates, over and over again
they'd say to me, I want to go to Fuller.

01:46:18.480 --> 01:46:19.760
Fuller is the place I want to go.

01:46:19.840 --> 01:46:19.880
That's right.

01:46:19.880 --> 01:46:21.900
That's where all the conferences are
sending the pastors.

01:46:21.900 --> 01:46:29.580
And who was operating the celebration
advocacy in the Oregon conference?

01:46:29.780 --> 01:46:31.620
What graduates of what school were they?

01:46:31.700 --> 01:46:31.900
Fuller.

01:46:31.980 --> 01:46:33.460
Terry Ross pointed out in his video.

01:46:34.420 --> 01:46:35.340
Right out of Fuller.

01:46:35.940 --> 01:46:42.220
So this system of the end justifies the
means is undergirds the church growth

01:46:42.220 --> 01:46:42.740
movement.

01:46:43.240 --> 01:46:48.040
And the Caring Church concept is right out
of existentialist nihilism today,

01:46:48.040 --> 01:46:54.700
which teaches that you have to have care
for some object in order to authenticate

01:46:54.700 --> 01:46:55.020
yourself.

01:46:55.200 --> 01:46:58.520
But you know, John, something very
interesting has been discovered by

01:46:58.520 --> 01:47:03.320
historic Adventists or people who are
wanting to follow the truth in the

01:47:03.320 --> 01:47:07.860
structured churches where they're still
going to church in a conference church.

01:47:08.460 --> 01:47:14.580
And that is that the people who talk the
most about caring, when their ideas are

01:47:14.580 --> 01:47:20.200
crossed by a person who believes in right
and wrong, then everything breaks loose.

01:47:20.400 --> 01:47:22.920
Boy, I tell you, those are the people who
become the most vicious.

01:47:23.220 --> 01:47:26.180
The ones who keep talking about the Caring
Church and the Caring Church and being so

01:47:26.180 --> 01:47:30.860
lovey-dovey, those are the ones who turn
the most vile and vicious against any

01:47:30.860 --> 01:47:33.800
historic Adventist who dares to stand up
for the truth found in the Bible and the

01:47:33.800 --> 01:47:34.320
spirit of prophecy.

01:47:34.440 --> 01:47:40.220
And the reason for that is because they
have not had a genuine conversion

01:47:40.220 --> 01:47:43.280
experience in Christianity.

01:47:43.280 --> 01:47:48.220
And they have constructed their own values
rather than accepting what the Bible says

01:47:48.220 --> 01:47:49.140
about good and evil.

01:47:49.260 --> 01:47:52.320
I can't tell you the number of people,
Adventists, historic Adventists,

01:47:52.380 --> 01:47:57.680
who have called and written us and told us
that for some strange reason their pastor

01:47:57.680 --> 01:48:02.460
would just disappear for two weeks,
three weeks, two or three months.

01:48:02.560 --> 01:48:04.380
And nobody knew where he was.

01:48:04.420 --> 01:48:07.500
And they would just get another pastor to
come in for a short period of time.

01:48:07.600 --> 01:48:10.340
But then their pastor would all of a
sudden appear after a couple of months.

01:48:10.340 --> 01:48:14.060
And when they began to investigate,
found out he had gone to Fuller.

01:48:14.320 --> 01:48:15.880
They would never tell anybody.

01:48:16.140 --> 01:48:17.140
The conference would never tell them.

01:48:17.200 --> 01:48:20.860
All of a sudden, suddenly, their pastor
would just disappear and come back several

01:48:20.860 --> 01:48:24.560
months later with new concepts and a
totally different person.

01:48:24.900 --> 01:48:27.980
And you see, that's the way they're
sending all these guys to Fuller to learn

01:48:27.980 --> 01:48:30.260
all of these concepts of, quote,
church growth.

01:48:30.600 --> 01:48:33.000
And you know, people say, well,
I'm just not going to pay any attention to

01:48:33.000 --> 01:48:36.260
this stuff that John Oz and Bob Trebs and
Terry Ross and these guys are saying.

01:48:36.360 --> 01:48:38.080
I'm just going to... You can't!

01:48:38.080 --> 01:48:41.440
It's being forced upon our people.

01:48:41.800 --> 01:48:45.260
And the pastor comes back and presses it
home to the congregation.

01:48:45.760 --> 01:48:48.060
And if you oppose it, boy, you are out of
there.

01:48:48.340 --> 01:48:52.000
Listen, the days of our people,
you know, being pew warmers and just not

01:48:52.000 --> 01:48:53.820
paying any attention to this stuff are
over.

01:48:54.260 --> 01:48:54.640
It's impossible.

01:48:54.780 --> 01:48:55.740
It's impossible.

01:48:55.940 --> 01:49:00.740
You have got to realize what's going on in
our church, in our structure.

01:49:01.160 --> 01:49:05.160
It's amazing the days of our Adventist
people just sitting by and just letting

01:49:05.160 --> 01:49:07.480
this stuff happen and saying it's not
going to affect them.

01:49:07.720 --> 01:49:08.660
Those days are over.

01:49:08.900 --> 01:49:10.060
You've got to make a decision.

01:49:10.200 --> 01:49:12.820
There is a galvanizing going on among our
Adventist people.

01:49:13.020 --> 01:49:15.420
And you have got to either be on one side
or the other.

01:49:15.540 --> 01:49:16.020
That's right.

01:49:16.580 --> 01:49:20.380
We had an experience in our conference
where suddenly all the pastors...

01:49:20.380 --> 01:49:21.600
This is about three or four years ago.

01:49:22.380 --> 01:49:25.500
Almost all the pastors were suddenly gone
from their pulpits.

01:49:26.280 --> 01:49:26.700
Got raptured.

01:49:26.780 --> 01:49:27.900
The whole conference, gone.

01:49:28.180 --> 01:49:29.520
Wives weren't saying anything.

01:49:29.980 --> 01:49:31.500
Conference office wouldn't say a thing.

01:49:31.500 --> 01:49:35.640
And a little sleuthing was done and it was
found that they went off for another lead

01:49:35.640 --> 01:49:36.640
consultant's course.

01:49:36.640 --> 01:49:37.660
Lead consultant.

01:49:37.700 --> 01:49:38.360
Lead consultant.

01:49:38.960 --> 01:49:43.540
And after being gone for a couple,
three weeks, they came back.

01:49:43.680 --> 01:49:44.500
They don't tell anybody.

01:49:44.860 --> 01:49:45.400
They don't tell anybody.

01:49:45.400 --> 01:49:45.840
Very secretive.

01:49:46.380 --> 01:49:51.880
I know of a seminary professor that a
number of years ago spent two months at a

01:49:51.880 --> 01:49:52.300
monastery.

01:49:52.900 --> 01:49:54.200
What was he doing there?

01:49:54.200 --> 01:50:01.360
I know of a pastor who went to a Curcio
meeting put on by the Roman Catholic

01:50:01.360 --> 01:50:01.600
Church.

01:50:01.680 --> 01:50:02.660
You know what Curcio is?

01:50:02.880 --> 01:50:07.320
Curcio has been a program which the Roman
Catholic Church has pushed.

01:50:07.480 --> 01:50:12.740
A three-day retreat program to introduce
Roman Catholics to the charismatic

01:50:12.740 --> 01:50:13.280
movement.

01:50:14.280 --> 01:50:19.240
And we understand now that they have a
Curcio program for non-Catholics.

01:50:19.380 --> 01:50:24.180
It's a brainwashing program where the
people bring their sleeping bags...

01:50:24.180 --> 01:50:25.460
and they sleep right in the cathedral.

01:50:25.620 --> 01:50:26.300
They never leave.

01:50:26.360 --> 01:50:27.960
They are not allowed to leave during the
whole program.

01:50:28.040 --> 01:50:31.420
And they are just bombarded with
brainwashing techniques for about three

01:50:31.420 --> 01:50:31.620
days.

01:50:31.740 --> 01:50:35.760
And an Adventist pastor was seen by one of
his parishioners going into the

01:50:35.760 --> 01:50:36.180
cathedral...

01:50:36.780 --> 01:50:38.940
to one of these Curcio programs for three
days.

01:50:39.040 --> 01:50:41.320
He was there taking his own bedding in.

01:50:41.360 --> 01:50:43.620
He was there for three days and three
nights.

01:50:43.760 --> 01:50:50.600
And he was the one assigned to the church
that has just now been, I understand,

01:50:50.700 --> 01:50:51.180
dissolved.

01:50:51.180 --> 01:50:54.140
That took me in and that took you in
initially.

01:50:54.600 --> 01:50:57.340
So, you see, there is something going on.

01:50:57.420 --> 01:51:01.440
This is not just some laissez-faire
happenstance thing.

01:51:01.540 --> 01:51:03.380
There is a planned program.

01:51:03.600 --> 01:51:06.240
Just like there is a planned program for a
New World Order.

01:51:06.620 --> 01:51:11.040
And later on in this video we want to look
at how this has been going on for almost a

01:51:11.040 --> 01:51:11.780
hundred years.

01:51:11.860 --> 01:51:17.480
A plan for a New World Order and how the
various agencies that we have today...

01:51:17.480 --> 01:51:21.380
are outworking of original secret agencies
that planned this thing.

01:51:21.520 --> 01:51:23.420
What do you think Bill Loveless got this
time?

01:51:23.440 --> 01:51:25.520
I mean, you think he just pulled this
stuff out of the air?

01:51:25.800 --> 01:51:28.720
That one day he just thought, well,
I think that I'll start doing this.

01:51:28.840 --> 01:51:32.020
He has been trained in this, Bob.

01:51:32.300 --> 01:51:36.080
These guys just don't stumble upon this
one day and decide to do this.

01:51:36.320 --> 01:51:38.420
This is years of planning.

01:51:38.980 --> 01:51:40.680
What is this you've got?

01:51:40.840 --> 01:51:41.460
Here's a letter.

01:51:43.080 --> 01:51:44.140
Would you like to hear it, John?

01:51:45.220 --> 01:51:46.960
This is the letter at the beginning you
said.

01:51:47.080 --> 01:51:48.540
I hope we have a chance to read this.

01:51:48.700 --> 01:51:49.860
It is dynamite.

01:51:50.080 --> 01:51:51.840
And if you brought it, I know it's worth
hearing.

01:51:51.920 --> 01:51:52.600
Read it to us, Bob.

01:51:53.580 --> 01:51:55.400
Dear Brother Trefts, after listening...

01:51:55.400 --> 01:51:56.460
Now, who is this from?

01:51:56.640 --> 01:52:00.880
This is from a girl that became an
Adventist...

01:52:00.880 --> 01:52:04.480
and went to Columbia Union College and
took a class from William Loveless.

01:52:04.960 --> 01:52:06.680
And just listen to what she says here.

01:52:07.680 --> 01:52:11.500
After listening to the series of tapes of
the presentation you gave at this year's

01:52:11.500 --> 01:52:13.160
Spring Convocation at Heartland...

01:52:13.160 --> 01:52:15.560
I felt utterly compelled to write to you.

01:52:15.980 --> 01:52:19.240
I know you don't know who I am,
so please allow me to introduce myself,

01:52:19.340 --> 01:52:20.200
and I won't give her name.

01:52:20.760 --> 01:52:24.140
Last summer at Camp Meeting in West
Virginia, I was delivered from Satanic

01:52:24.140 --> 01:52:26.520
control by a wonderful outpouring of the
Holy Spirit.

01:52:27.040 --> 01:52:31.960
I was a Satan worshipper for over seven
years between the fall of 1983 and the

01:52:31.960 --> 01:52:33.120
beginning of 1991.

01:52:33.640 --> 01:52:36.440
My spiritual history, however,
goes farther back than that.

01:52:36.440 --> 01:52:42.460
In January of 1981, at the age of 16,
I experienced a direct encounter with

01:52:42.460 --> 01:52:44.040
Jesus Christ and was born again.

01:52:44.600 --> 01:52:48.060
This experience was strictly personal
between the Lord and I, something like

01:52:48.060 --> 01:52:50.320
what happened to Paul along the road to
Damascus.

01:52:50.700 --> 01:52:54.580
There was no pastor or preacher attempting
to lead me to Christ.

01:52:54.740 --> 01:52:58.900
No lay Christian had been witnessing to
me, either in person or through tracts or

01:52:58.900 --> 01:52:59.140
literature.

01:52:59.620 --> 01:53:03.640
I was not at that time studying or even
merely reading either the Bible or

01:53:03.640 --> 01:53:04.320
Christian books.

01:53:04.320 --> 01:53:07.160
In fact, Christianity was the farthest
thing from my mind.

01:53:07.660 --> 01:53:11.640
As a teenager, my life consisted of rock
music, parties, drug use, and a life

01:53:11.640 --> 01:53:14.680
dedicated to self-service and
self-glorification.

01:53:15.220 --> 01:53:19.380
I was completely wrapped up in a
particular identity I had created for

01:53:19.380 --> 01:53:24.000
myself and my own version of Lysergic
Transcendentalism, so to speak.

01:53:24.060 --> 01:53:27.440
That is, the use of LSD to induce
fantastical visionary experiences.

01:53:27.940 --> 01:53:32.420
When I encountered Christ, the Spirit of
the Lord came upon me and gave me a direct

01:53:32.420 --> 01:53:35.860
revelation of the great controversy down
to the most subtle aspects of its nature.

01:53:36.420 --> 01:53:39.840
I prophesied before the three others who
were with me, sharing with them the nature

01:53:39.840 --> 01:53:42.400
of the controversy and the subtleties of
the enemy.

01:53:42.760 --> 01:53:46.460
The next morning, a pamphlet arrived in
the mail advertising an evangelistic

01:53:46.460 --> 01:53:50.160
series which I and one of my companions,
who had witnessed my salvation,

01:53:50.320 --> 01:53:51.180
decided to attend.

01:53:51.180 --> 01:53:55.120
The pamphlet did not indicate that the
location of the meetings was itself a

01:53:55.120 --> 01:53:58.720
church, and indeed the building did not
really look like one either, but rather

01:53:58.720 --> 01:54:01.160
like a small school with a large
auditorium.

01:54:01.680 --> 01:54:03.800
It was the Wheaton, Maryland, SDA Church.

01:54:04.060 --> 01:54:07.940
I was overjoyed to discover slowly,
over the next several weeks of meetings,

01:54:08.060 --> 01:54:11.100
that I was not the only person in the
world who possessed knowledge of these

01:54:11.100 --> 01:54:11.420
things.

01:54:11.780 --> 01:54:15.620
There actually existed already a body of
people who understood what the Lord had

01:54:15.620 --> 01:54:16.340
revealed to me.

01:54:17.100 --> 01:54:21.400
Until that point in my life, I had never
before even heard of Seventh-day

01:54:21.400 --> 01:54:21.900
Adventists.

01:54:22.040 --> 01:54:24.200
About a month later, I was baptized as
one.

01:54:24.680 --> 01:54:28.660
In the fall of 1981, eager to progress
forward with my education and be trained

01:54:28.660 --> 01:54:31.900
to serve the Lord, I began to attend
Columbia Union College.

01:54:32.440 --> 01:54:35.940
In spite of the worldly lifestyle I had
lived before knowing Christ, I was pretty

01:54:35.940 --> 01:54:37.080
much a naive kid.

01:54:37.620 --> 01:54:41.540
For one thing, I had no idea that the
church was being torn apart so deeply by

01:54:41.540 --> 01:54:43.040
so many factions and issues.

01:54:43.040 --> 01:54:47.460
In the summer of 1981, I had a dream about
the shaking in which flaming

01:54:47.460 --> 01:54:52.220
three-dimensional letters appeared above a
mountain spelling F.O.R.D., by the way.

01:54:52.840 --> 01:54:54.900
Fellow church members warned me that C.U
.C.

01:54:54.920 --> 01:54:57.740
was a little worldly, as they put it,
and exhorted me to be careful.

01:54:58.340 --> 01:55:01.060
Truth to tell, I had no idea what I would
be encountering.

01:55:01.500 --> 01:55:05.400
I fully expected to meet up with some who
were unconverted, and I fully expected to

01:55:05.400 --> 01:55:06.960
meet up with fallible human beings.

01:55:06.960 --> 01:55:12.360
But I never expected so many who had
absolutely no regard, love, or desire for

01:55:12.360 --> 01:55:13.260
the things of God.

01:55:13.580 --> 01:55:18.380
I certainly did not expect the same
sickening, pecking order of clicks and

01:55:18.380 --> 01:55:20.480
pure snobbery I had left behind in high
school.

01:55:20.980 --> 01:55:23.340
It was a devastating experience,
to say the least.

01:55:23.440 --> 01:55:27.520
As if seeking sanctuary from the world and
its warring ways, I instead stumbled

01:55:27.520 --> 01:55:29.600
headlong into the munitions factory
itself.

01:55:30.040 --> 01:55:31.180
Well, enough of that.

01:55:31.300 --> 01:55:34.360
To make a long story short, Brother
Trapps, I believe your mention on tape

01:55:34.360 --> 01:55:36.620
five of Dr. William Loveless was no
accident.

01:55:37.360 --> 01:55:39.700
You see, Dr. Loveless was the president of
C.U.C.

01:55:39.780 --> 01:55:44.880
during the time I attended there between
September 1981 and December 1983.

01:55:45.680 --> 01:55:48.900
During my first semester there,
one of the courses I chose was a religion

01:55:48.900 --> 01:55:51.260
elective called Religious Experience.

01:55:52.020 --> 01:55:55.240
It was advertised in the bulletin as
something that would deepen the private

01:55:55.240 --> 01:56:00.460
devotional experience, and I was always
hungry for a deeper taste of God's Spirit

01:56:00.460 --> 01:56:01.080
in my life.

01:56:02.060 --> 01:56:06.380
Well, the class was taught by Dr. Loveless
himself, and the textbook turned out to be

01:56:06.380 --> 01:56:12.080
The Other Side of Silence by Catholic
author Morton Kelsey, who we've talked

01:56:12.080 --> 01:56:13.200
about in other videos.

01:56:13.320 --> 01:56:15.560
I mean, making no bones about it.

01:56:15.680 --> 01:56:17.160
Boy, just right out in the open.

01:56:18.000 --> 01:56:26.680
Morton Kelsey is a priest that William
Loveless said writes just like Ellen

01:56:26.680 --> 01:56:26.840
White.

01:56:27.020 --> 01:56:29.180
He claims to have had three spirit guides.

01:56:29.460 --> 01:56:31.520
Yes, I bet he did.

01:56:31.760 --> 01:56:34.580
He highly regards the spiritual exercises
of the Jesuits.

01:56:34.580 --> 01:56:38.280
And they're the same spirit guides that
Bill Loveless has.

01:56:38.900 --> 01:56:42.300
What a shock it was to discover my first
night in the class that we were going to

01:56:42.300 --> 01:56:47.460
be learning classical meditational
techniques, including breathing exercises,

01:56:47.820 --> 01:56:52.440
deep relaxation through hypnotic
suggestion, and biofeedback, which is part

01:56:52.440 --> 01:56:53.120
of hypnosis.

01:56:53.540 --> 01:56:53.740
Totally.

01:56:54.280 --> 01:56:58.640
Dr. Loveless even had machines with which
to measure whether our brainwaves were in

01:56:58.640 --> 01:57:00.780
the alpha state or the beta state.

01:57:01.320 --> 01:57:05.340
He literally intended to train us to
achieve an altered state of consciousness,

01:57:05.600 --> 01:57:10.060
in which we would then utilize our
imagination to contact God.

01:57:10.500 --> 01:57:13.160
And that's a fundamental concept of the
spiritual exercises.

01:57:13.160 --> 01:57:16.140
That's this false conversion experience
that we talked about.

01:57:17.200 --> 01:57:21.720
I'm sure you are aware, as I myself am
fully now, that this was the central

01:57:21.720 --> 01:57:23.400
keynote of all occult practice.

01:57:24.260 --> 01:57:30.040
Occultist Dion Fortune, modifying Aleister
Crowley's definition of magic,

01:57:30.560 --> 01:57:35.080
defines magic as the art and science of
causing change of consciousness in

01:57:35.080 --> 01:57:36.380
conformity to one's will.

01:57:36.940 --> 01:57:40.580
Back in September of 1981, however,
I did not know all these things.

01:57:40.580 --> 01:57:45.280
All I knew was that the God I had
encountered, the one who had saved me,

01:57:45.500 --> 01:57:50.300
was real, not imaginary, and that my
encounter with Him had actually occurred.

01:57:50.740 --> 01:57:52.320
I had not imagined it.

01:57:52.680 --> 01:57:55.540
The Holy Spirit put a check inside my soul
immediately.

01:57:55.860 --> 01:57:57.200
Something here was not kosher.

01:57:57.760 --> 01:58:00.780
Why should I have to imagine an encounter
with Christ?

01:58:00.960 --> 01:58:03.380
Of course, that's what he led the
ministers through.

01:58:03.500 --> 01:58:04.300
Four hundred of them.

01:58:04.640 --> 01:58:10.100
If I was using my imagination to construct
a Christ to converse with, was this not

01:58:10.100 --> 01:58:15.220
rather having a conversation or praying to
an image of my imagination instead of a

01:58:15.220 --> 01:58:15.940
real God?

01:58:17.080 --> 01:58:20.500
I raised my hand and overtly objected to
the entire prospect.

01:58:21.020 --> 01:58:23.040
God is real, I told Dr. Loveless.

01:58:23.660 --> 01:58:26.680
I want to pray and be answered by the real
God.

01:58:27.040 --> 01:58:29.040
I don't want to communicate with my
imagination.

01:58:29.620 --> 01:58:32.380
I want to communicate with the true and
living God.

01:58:32.700 --> 01:58:33.480
Bless her heart.

01:58:33.620 --> 01:58:37.920
Dr. Loveless's only response to me was,
well, how do you think we communicate with

01:58:37.920 --> 01:58:38.200
God?

01:58:38.200 --> 01:58:39.600
It's through our imagination.

01:58:40.360 --> 01:58:44.500
He made me feel foolish, quite frankly,
as if I was perhaps the only person

01:58:44.500 --> 01:58:48.860
present who had not realized this or had
been led in on the big secret.

01:58:48.980 --> 01:58:51.660
Exactly what my professors in college did
to me.

01:58:51.760 --> 01:58:53.320
They did exactly the same thing.

01:58:53.540 --> 01:58:55.640
That was what was so weird about C.U.C.

01:58:55.740 --> 01:58:56.980
in general, come to think of it.

01:58:57.500 --> 01:59:01.300
There was so much of this attitude there
that people like me who really believed in

01:59:01.300 --> 01:59:05.840
a real God and a real devil and a real
good and a real evil...

01:59:05.840 --> 01:59:08.840
and that will be significant later on in
our program here...

01:59:09.460 --> 01:59:12.480
were like little idiots who hadn't caught
on yet.

01:59:12.480 --> 01:59:12.860
That's right.

01:59:13.460 --> 01:59:15.420
Frankly, it was totally unnerving.

01:59:15.600 --> 01:59:17.720
I did not know quite what to make of all
of it.

01:59:17.880 --> 01:59:19.260
I was literally overwhelmed.

01:59:19.560 --> 01:59:21.520
The massive disregard for God.

01:59:21.980 --> 01:59:26.220
The confusing attitudes from people whom I
had expected to sort of take the reality

01:59:26.220 --> 01:59:27.240
of truth as a given.

01:59:27.760 --> 01:59:32.160
I didn't know anything about the occult
back then, but I spoke out against this

01:59:32.160 --> 01:59:34.100
and many other errors while at C.U.C.

01:59:34.100 --> 01:59:38.840
Without the knowledge I have now,
I objected to Lovelace's class strictly on

01:59:38.840 --> 01:59:41.140
the basis that God was real...

01:59:41.140 --> 01:59:44.600
and that communing with a God in one's
imagination instead of the real God was

01:59:44.600 --> 01:59:46.140
tantamount to idolatry.

01:59:46.220 --> 01:59:46.600
That's right.

01:59:47.000 --> 01:59:53.660
That is the Jesuit concept of devotion in
the spiritual exercises.

01:59:54.540 --> 01:59:57.540
It just plain made no sense to me.

01:59:57.660 --> 02:00:02.300
I simply could not see how one could
accept as God something or someone that

02:00:02.300 --> 02:00:03.600
one had created oneself.

02:00:03.600 --> 02:00:04.180
Right.

02:00:04.700 --> 02:00:08.200
If I had known then what I know now,
I would have protested that Lovelace was

02:00:08.200 --> 02:00:10.580
teaching the occult plain and simple.

02:00:10.820 --> 02:00:11.220
Plain and simple.

02:00:11.380 --> 02:00:12.720
But I did not know any better.

02:00:13.000 --> 02:00:17.440
So careful was I to steer clear of the
danger zone of spiritual pride that my

02:00:17.440 --> 02:00:19.540
grasp of truth itself slipped.

02:00:20.180 --> 02:00:23.300
But before I slipped and fell,
I spoke out against these things.

02:00:23.460 --> 02:00:24.600
Many did not understand me.

02:00:24.680 --> 02:00:27.080
They did not know why I should become so
concerned.

02:00:27.080 --> 02:00:31.700
I was accused of everything from being a
fanatic to not having an open mind to

02:00:31.700 --> 02:00:33.220
being totally unbalanced.

02:00:33.600 --> 02:00:35.620
But I knew what was going on was wrong.

02:00:35.740 --> 02:00:40.360
And I knew the people there did not all
have God just because they were SDAs.

02:00:40.540 --> 02:00:42.280
And I was determined to make a difference.

02:00:42.780 --> 02:00:45.540
Brother Treffs, my life was never the same
after that.

02:00:46.060 --> 02:00:51.700
My moorings were loosened because I began
to lose the sense of a real God whose

02:00:51.700 --> 02:00:53.340
presence in my life was real.

02:00:53.340 --> 02:00:58.160
The firm connection I sensed with him in
prayer became wavering, unstable,

02:00:58.740 --> 02:00:59.000
faint.

02:00:59.520 --> 02:01:01.780
I confess that part of me grew very
bitter.

02:01:02.360 --> 02:01:06.980
Not bitter against God and not bitter in
the sense of hatred, but just this

02:01:06.980 --> 02:01:09.080
deep-seated wound that would not heal.

02:01:09.480 --> 02:01:12.540
I could not seem to break through their
barrier of relativism.

02:01:13.420 --> 02:01:13.540
Yes.

02:01:13.660 --> 02:01:15.380
We talked about that in the last agenda.

02:01:16.620 --> 02:01:20.760
And I felt like I was drowning in a hell
of utter subjectivity.

02:01:20.760 --> 02:01:25.740
Satan used these people to hack away at my
foundational conviction of a real,

02:01:26.040 --> 02:01:27.400
non-subjective God.

02:01:28.260 --> 02:01:32.780
I felt like my life was being invaded,
torn apart and stolen from me.

02:01:33.100 --> 02:01:37.220
A feeling that was to persist and deepen
and worsen torturously over the next two

02:01:37.220 --> 02:01:40.220
years until indeed Satan had done just
that.

02:01:40.740 --> 02:01:45.020
In my despair I made some foolish choices,
straying from God and doing stupid things

02:01:45.020 --> 02:01:46.620
that I should have known better not to do.

02:01:47.080 --> 02:01:49.080
And Satan swiftly took advantage of me.

02:01:49.080 --> 02:01:53.220
The evil one took over my life,
basically, however unseen at first.

02:01:53.840 --> 02:01:58.480
Unaware that my life was being controlled
and toyed with by demons and unable to

02:01:58.480 --> 02:02:03.080
shake the conviction that I was forever
cut off from God, I eventually became the

02:02:03.080 --> 02:02:04.660
total prey of the evil one.

02:02:05.100 --> 02:02:09.220
He twisted my mind sufficiently as to
convince me that he and I were one,

02:02:09.620 --> 02:02:12.940
that I belonged with him and that he loved
me and would protect me from the horrible

02:02:12.940 --> 02:02:14.140
anguish of my soul.

02:02:14.140 --> 02:02:18.580
By December of 1983 I had been requested
to withdraw from C.U.C.

02:02:19.240 --> 02:02:23.420
Brother Trafts, I had long suspected that
what happened to me at C.U.C.

02:02:23.500 --> 02:02:26.800
was the deliberate malicious plan of Satan
to silence my witness.

02:02:27.420 --> 02:02:32.200
I was one of the only people who knew and
cared enough to speak up against the kinds

02:02:32.200 --> 02:02:35.280
of things Dr. Loveless was teaching in
that class, not to mention the

02:02:35.280 --> 02:02:39.280
relativistic mindset I encountered in some
of my other theology classes.

02:02:39.820 --> 02:02:43.680
Even among the others there who were
sincere and faithful, I was one of the

02:02:43.680 --> 02:02:47.160
only ones who felt burdened about these
things and recognized the intrinsic

02:02:47.160 --> 02:02:48.620
dangers of relativism.

02:02:49.380 --> 02:02:53.900
I spoke out against these things and was
in turn despised and accused rather

02:02:53.900 --> 02:02:54.360
frequently.

02:02:54.900 --> 02:02:58.020
Maybe some of the charges were true,
maybe I should have tempered my speech

02:02:58.020 --> 02:03:01.960
better to avoid being classed as
judgmental or fanatic, but I was too

02:03:01.960 --> 02:03:04.420
consumed with my sense of mission.

02:03:04.640 --> 02:03:08.880
I felt constrained to sound the warning
and Satan silenced me.

02:03:08.880 --> 02:03:11.780
To be blunt, he took me out, swift and
sure.

02:03:12.240 --> 02:03:13.820
That's what it all boils down to.

02:03:13.900 --> 02:03:16.060
I knew, I saw, and I spoke.

02:03:16.160 --> 02:03:18.340
And he perceived the threat and went for
the jugular.

02:03:18.820 --> 02:03:22.500
He took me out before I could gain enough
maturity and wisdom to become truly

02:03:22.500 --> 02:03:24.740
effective in what I was attempting to do.

02:03:25.120 --> 02:03:28.780
Then he spent years trying to convince me
the reason I had fallen away from God was

02:03:28.780 --> 02:03:31.420
because I had been such a legalistic
fanatic.

02:03:31.720 --> 02:03:32.360
Martin Weber.

02:03:32.520 --> 02:03:33.800
Have you heard these charges?

02:03:34.020 --> 02:03:36.980
Absolutely, that's Martin Weber's books.

02:03:36.980 --> 02:03:43.020
These legalistic fanatics, and I used to
be a part of this, but God delivered me

02:03:43.020 --> 02:03:43.420
from this.

02:03:43.680 --> 02:03:47.720
And as I've said before, I believe there's
a special place in the Lake of Fire

02:03:47.720 --> 02:03:52.800
reserve for Martin Weber and for Helmut
Ott and these men that are charging.

02:03:53.380 --> 02:03:59.160
And also with George Knight, these men
that are trying to convince our faithful

02:03:59.160 --> 02:04:03.680
Adventist people that they used to be
involved in this legalism, but the Lord

02:04:03.680 --> 02:04:04.860
delivered them from it.

02:04:04.860 --> 02:04:06.840
And now they're free in Jesus.

02:04:08.300 --> 02:04:11.540
Satan saw me as a threat and he put me
out, quick and final.

02:04:11.840 --> 02:04:15.620
For some time I have been afraid to
acknowledge this, afraid it would feed my

02:04:15.620 --> 02:04:18.800
ego and send me headlong into overweening
spiritual pride.

02:04:19.220 --> 02:04:21.780
I can hide from this awareness no longer.

02:04:22.320 --> 02:04:25.700
Too many things have happened to our dear
precious church for me to overlook the

02:04:25.700 --> 02:04:26.100
connections.

02:04:26.740 --> 02:04:30.420
I praise God that I am not the only one
who sees these things for what they are

02:04:30.420 --> 02:04:33.720
and that the Lord can raise up good strong
servants to meet this challenge and

02:04:33.720 --> 02:04:34.060
crisis.

02:04:34.060 --> 02:04:37.660
I so deeply regret that things have gone
this far in the church.

02:04:37.820 --> 02:04:40.560
In a very real sense I feel personally
responsible.

02:04:41.160 --> 02:04:45.620
I have suspected there was some reason
like this for some time now, but felt

02:04:45.620 --> 02:04:50.500
unsure as to either what it was or whether
it was valid for me to personalize things

02:04:50.500 --> 02:04:50.860
so.

02:04:51.320 --> 02:04:55.040
When I heard you speak on tape about Dr.
Loveless going to Andrews University to

02:04:55.040 --> 02:04:58.820
train the seminary students in the
exercises of St. Ignatius Loyola,

02:04:58.920 --> 02:05:00.360
my heart leaped within me.

02:05:00.360 --> 02:05:04.280
I had the strangest sensation that I had
been vindicated.

02:05:04.540 --> 02:05:04.980
That's right.

02:05:05.320 --> 02:05:06.820
Someone else knows.

02:05:07.000 --> 02:05:07.200
Bless her heart.

02:05:07.200 --> 02:05:08.200
My heart cried with joy.

02:05:08.340 --> 02:05:09.340
Someone else sees.

02:05:09.400 --> 02:05:10.120
Bless her heart.

02:05:10.160 --> 02:05:11.500
But it's more than that, Brother Travis.

02:05:11.560 --> 02:05:15.320
With that simple little portion of your
tape, you have been the instrument of the

02:05:15.320 --> 02:05:20.740
Lord in setting my mind at rest about what
rationale there could possibly be for a

02:05:20.740 --> 02:05:24.880
decade of the most singularly intensive
suffering a person can endure.

02:05:25.520 --> 02:05:28.140
Being demonically controlled and tortured
is not fun.

02:05:28.140 --> 02:05:33.120
The entire past ten years has seemed so
senseless and futile, so filled with

02:05:33.120 --> 02:05:34.460
remorse and regret and pain.

02:05:34.580 --> 02:05:35.980
Often I've asked the Lord, Why?

02:05:36.400 --> 02:05:38.280
Why did I have to go through all of this?

02:05:38.400 --> 02:05:42.220
I don't have the full answer now,
and I may never understand until he

02:05:42.220 --> 02:05:42.660
returns.

02:05:42.840 --> 02:05:47.860
But at least now I have a working piece of
the puzzle, one designed to put my mind to

02:05:47.860 --> 02:05:52.660
rest and reaffirm what I had always
suspected, dreamed for in my heart,

02:05:53.060 --> 02:05:57.500
hoped for but hardly dared to believe
true, that God has chosen me for a

02:05:57.500 --> 02:05:59.860
specific purpose and a particular work.

02:06:00.280 --> 02:06:03.720
So thank you, Brother Bob Trauss,
for the part you have played in all this,

02:06:03.780 --> 02:06:05.920
for your tapes, which have been most
enlightening.

02:06:06.080 --> 02:06:09.940
Thank you for being willing and available
that God should have opened your eyes.

02:06:10.320 --> 02:06:13.960
One day I hope we may meet, and I may
share with you my full story in detail.

02:06:14.280 --> 02:06:15.320
Bless her heart.

02:06:16.180 --> 02:06:24.980
You know, Bob, in spite of the vile books
that Martin Weber, Helmut Ott,

02:06:25.440 --> 02:06:30.800
George Knight have written, the terrible
apostasy that Don Jacobson and the Oregon

02:06:30.800 --> 02:06:35.420
Conference leadership have led our people
into with celebration, neuro-linguistic

02:06:35.420 --> 02:06:40.560
programming, the small groups,
I still believe that the most wicked and

02:06:40.560 --> 02:06:43.200
vile man in Adventism is William Lovelace.

02:06:43.840 --> 02:06:49.460
I believe that that man has done more to
train our leadership in the Jesuit

02:06:49.460 --> 02:06:55.380
concepts of Ignatius Loyola, and has led
us down the garden path, and he is still

02:06:55.380 --> 02:07:00.420
the senior pastor of the Loma Linda
University Church, the most prestigious

02:07:00.420 --> 02:07:06.140
church in the world, of Seventh-day Advent
in the corporate structure.

02:07:06.440 --> 02:07:10.340
And you know, it's so interesting that you
sent me a copy of the secret instructions

02:07:10.340 --> 02:07:11.120
for the Jesuits.

02:07:11.440 --> 02:07:16.080
And it was so interesting for me as I was
perusing that to see that one of the main

02:07:16.080 --> 02:07:21.580
objectives is to place their people in the
primary pulpits of the church that they

02:07:21.580 --> 02:07:22.280
are infiltrating.

02:07:22.460 --> 02:07:23.260
Yes, yes.

02:07:23.500 --> 02:07:25.600
But Bob, they're not getting rid of these
guys.

02:07:25.960 --> 02:07:27.280
These guys are being promoted.

02:07:27.660 --> 02:07:29.960
They're putting them in higher positions.

02:07:30.300 --> 02:07:37.720
And it seems like the more flagrant they
are in going down the road of Jesuitizing

02:07:37.720 --> 02:07:41.120
our people, the higher they are promoted
in the corporate structure.

02:07:41.620 --> 02:07:42.560
It's amazing, isn't it?

02:07:43.980 --> 02:07:49.420
Coming back here to Wiley's History of
Protestantism, John, on page 394,

02:07:50.040 --> 02:07:54.100
Wiley says, What the popes have attempted
to do by the plenitude of their power,

02:07:54.660 --> 02:07:58.640
namely to make sin to be no sin,
the Jesuit doctors have done by their

02:07:58.640 --> 02:07:59.700
casuistry.

02:08:00.400 --> 02:08:03.920
The first and great commandment in the
law, said the same divine person who

02:08:03.920 --> 02:08:06.820
proclaimed it from Sinai, is to love the
Lord thy God.

02:08:07.400 --> 02:08:11.500
The Jesuit casuists have set men free from
the obligation to love God.

02:08:12.680 --> 02:08:16.620
Escobar collects the different sentiments
of the famous divines of the Society of

02:08:16.620 --> 02:08:21.900
Jesus upon the question, When is a man
obliged to have actually an affection for

02:08:21.900 --> 02:08:22.220
God?

02:08:22.720 --> 02:08:24.200
The following are some of these.

02:08:24.520 --> 02:08:29.280
Suarez says, It is sufficient a man love
him before he dies, not assigning any

02:08:29.280 --> 02:08:30.200
particular time.

02:08:30.840 --> 02:08:33.940
Basquet, that it is sufficient even at the
point of death.

02:08:34.380 --> 02:08:36.340
Others, when a man receives his baptism.

02:08:36.580 --> 02:08:38.440
Others, when he is obliged to be contrite.

02:08:38.580 --> 02:08:39.660
Others, upon holidays.

02:08:40.860 --> 02:08:46.160
Our father, Connink, believes a man to be
obliged once in three or four years,

02:08:46.160 --> 02:08:47.180
that is, to love God.

02:08:47.860 --> 02:08:51.900
We are not, says Father Sermon,
so much condemned to love him as not to

02:08:51.900 --> 02:08:52.340
hate him.

02:08:52.480 --> 02:08:56.020
Thus do the Jesuit theologians make void
the first and great commandment in the

02:08:56.020 --> 02:08:56.200
law.

02:08:56.660 --> 02:08:59.940
The second commandment in the law is,
Thou shalt love thy neighbors thyself.

02:09:00.520 --> 02:09:04.440
This second great commandment meets with
no more respect at the hands of the

02:09:04.440 --> 02:09:05.420
Jesuits than the first.

02:09:05.560 --> 02:09:08.540
Their morality dashes both tables of the
law in pieces.

02:09:09.160 --> 02:09:12.080
Charity to man it makes void equally with
the love of God.

02:09:12.520 --> 02:09:15.100
The methods by which this may be done are
innumerable.

02:09:15.100 --> 02:09:18.180
The first of these is termed Probabilism.

02:09:18.300 --> 02:09:24.980
Now, what we have to do, John,
is look at this tenet of Probabilism for

02:09:24.980 --> 02:09:29.440
what it is and ask if we have the same
thing in essence today.

02:09:31.040 --> 02:09:35.880
This is a device which enables a man to
commit any act, be it ever so manifest,

02:09:36.000 --> 02:09:39.600
a breach of the moral and divine law,
without the least restraint of conscience,

02:09:40.140 --> 02:09:42.120
remorse of mind, or guilt before God.

02:09:42.180 --> 02:09:43.280
What is Probabilism?

02:09:43.280 --> 02:09:48.220
By way of answer, we shall suppose that a
man has a great mind to do a certain act

02:09:48.220 --> 02:09:50.020
of the lawfulness of which he is in doubt.

02:09:50.700 --> 02:09:55.280
He finds that there are two opinions upon
the point, the one probably true to the

02:09:55.280 --> 02:09:59.700
effect that the act is lawful,
the other more probably true to the effect

02:09:59.700 --> 02:10:00.960
that the act is sinful.

02:10:01.620 --> 02:10:06.440
Under the Jesuit regimen, the man is at
liberty to act upon the probable opinion.

02:10:07.040 --> 02:10:09.780
That is, you're wondering about whether
you should do something.

02:10:10.880 --> 02:10:15.760
It's probably lawful to do it,
but it's more probably not lawful.

02:10:15.840 --> 02:10:19.940
In other words, it really looks like it's
opposed to the law of God.

02:10:20.400 --> 02:10:27.480
But if you can build a case that it
probably is lawful, then, according to

02:10:27.480 --> 02:10:31.940
this canon of thought, then you can act
upon the probable opinion.

02:10:32.080 --> 02:10:35.100
The act is probably right, but more
probably wrong.

02:10:35.260 --> 02:10:39.000
Nevertheless, he is safe in doing it in
virtue of the doctrine of probabilism.

02:10:39.440 --> 02:10:42.140
It is important to ask, what makes an
opinion probable?

02:10:42.760 --> 02:10:45.680
To make an opinion probable, a Jesuit
finds easy indeed.

02:10:45.760 --> 02:10:49.940
If a single doctor has pronounced in its
favor, though a score of doctors may have

02:10:49.940 --> 02:10:54.660
condemned it, or if a man can imagine in
his own mind something like a tolerable

02:10:54.660 --> 02:10:57.960
reason for doing the act, the opinion that
it is lawful becomes probable.

02:10:58.680 --> 02:11:02.400
It would be hard to name an act for which
a Jesuit authority may not be produced,

02:11:02.820 --> 02:11:07.920
and harder still to find a man whose
invention is so poor as not to furnish him

02:11:07.920 --> 02:11:12.260
with what he deems a good reason for doing
what he is inclined to, and therefore it

02:11:12.260 --> 02:11:16.980
may be pronounced impossible to instance a
deed, however manifestly opposed to the

02:11:16.980 --> 02:11:20.040
light of nature and the law of God,
which may not be committed under the

02:11:20.040 --> 02:11:22.740
shield of the monstrous dogma of
probabilism.

02:11:22.780 --> 02:11:28.660
Now, is there anything today in the field
of ethics that functions that way?

02:11:29.160 --> 02:11:33.840
I was just going to ask you, Bob,
is this relating to a situation...

02:11:33.840 --> 02:11:34.820
situation ethics?

02:11:35.400 --> 02:11:41.300
Well, that I had to where there was some
new thing being done in the corporate

02:11:41.300 --> 02:11:46.280
structure and I said, you know,
the people who were promoting it kept

02:11:46.280 --> 02:11:47.580
saying, what's wrong with it?

02:11:47.620 --> 02:11:50.100
I said, no, you're coming at it from the
wrong way.

02:11:50.180 --> 02:11:51.680
What's right about it?

02:11:51.900 --> 02:11:55.880
Instead of trying to make me prove that
there's something wrong with it,

02:11:56.100 --> 02:11:59.620
you show me what is right about it.

02:11:59.840 --> 02:12:02.000
It's kind of like the secret rapture
doctrine.

02:12:02.000 --> 02:12:04.560
The people come in and they say,
well, disprove it from the Bible.

02:12:04.640 --> 02:12:05.920
I say, no, you've got this backwards.

02:12:06.000 --> 02:12:09.980
You prove it from the Bible instead of
trying to force me to disprove it from the

02:12:09.980 --> 02:12:10.300
Bible.

02:12:10.640 --> 02:12:16.000
I see this as more of a situation ethics
type of thing where you are...

02:12:16.720 --> 02:12:18.580
Did you ever get confronted with this in
college?

02:12:20.080 --> 02:12:20.800
Situation ethics?

02:12:21.160 --> 02:12:21.520
Yes.

02:12:22.020 --> 02:12:26.320
For instance, we had prominent pastors
that came up from New York City who are

02:12:26.320 --> 02:12:27.760
now very prominent in the church.

02:12:27.760 --> 02:12:33.960
When I was in college and they taught us
from the pulpit that you needed to find

02:12:33.960 --> 02:12:36.680
out what the loving thing to do was.

02:12:36.900 --> 02:12:37.200
Oh yes.

02:12:37.360 --> 02:12:41.300
Rather than judging it from whether it was
right or wrong, what is the loving thing

02:12:41.300 --> 02:12:41.700
to do?

02:12:42.220 --> 02:12:46.600
And the pastor, the good old time pastor
there at Atlantic Union College,

02:12:47.420 --> 02:12:48.700
he was so upset.

02:12:48.960 --> 02:12:54.260
He was beside himself and he preached ten
sermons on the law of God, taking one

02:12:54.260 --> 02:12:58.280
commandment each Sabbath to show the
validity of the law of God and that we had

02:12:58.280 --> 02:13:02.840
to judge based on whether something was
right or wrong rather than on whether it

02:13:02.840 --> 02:13:04.420
was just the loving thing to do.

02:13:05.440 --> 02:13:10.940
And so to me it seems like situation
ethics is something very similar to this.

02:13:10.980 --> 02:13:15.120
If you think that it's a loving thing to
do, then it makes it right and probably

02:13:15.120 --> 02:13:16.280
good for you to do it.

02:13:16.420 --> 02:13:19.840
Whereas it's really more probably wrong
according to the law of God.

02:13:20.220 --> 02:13:23.820
You can justify it on the basis that it's
a loving thing to do.

02:13:24.060 --> 02:13:30.260
You see Bob, when you start going down
this road, absolutes cease to exist.

02:13:30.640 --> 02:13:36.420
Everything is just a big gray area and the
absolutes of right and wrong are gone.

02:13:36.480 --> 02:13:40.620
You see with me Bob, it's right or wrong,
there's no gray area.

02:13:40.760 --> 02:13:43.020
It's either black or white, right or
wrong.

02:13:44.200 --> 02:13:49.340
I find that when I get immersed in this
new theology that suddenly everything,

02:13:49.840 --> 02:13:55.040
all definitions just kind of blend
together and everything just becomes a big

02:13:55.040 --> 02:13:56.060
gray wash.

02:13:56.380 --> 02:13:58.040
Yeah, and that's what this does.

02:13:58.840 --> 02:14:04.440
It is allowable, says one of these
doctors, to follow the less probable

02:14:04.440 --> 02:14:06.620
opinion even though it be the less safe
one.

02:14:06.860 --> 02:14:09.040
That is the common judgment of modern
authors.

02:14:09.540 --> 02:14:13.520
Of true contrary opinions, says Paul
Lehman, touching the legality or

02:14:13.520 --> 02:14:17.620
illegality of any human action,
everyone may follow in practice or in

02:14:17.620 --> 02:14:21.300
action that which he should prefer,
although it may appear to the agent

02:14:21.300 --> 02:14:23.040
himself less probable in theory.

02:14:24.700 --> 02:14:28.360
It is and it is not, is the motto of this
theology.

02:14:28.540 --> 02:14:32.520
It is the true lesbian rule which shapes
itself according to that which we wish to

02:14:32.520 --> 02:14:33.440
measure by it.

02:14:33.780 --> 02:14:37.400
Shapes itself by that to which we wish to
measure by it.

02:14:37.460 --> 02:14:39.720
Would we have any action to be sinful?

02:14:40.220 --> 02:14:43.200
The Jesuit moralist turns this side of the
code to us.

02:14:43.600 --> 02:14:44.880
Would we have it to be lawful?

02:14:44.960 --> 02:14:45.920
He turns the other side.

02:14:46.000 --> 02:14:47.720
So they can be all things to all men.

02:14:48.040 --> 02:14:51.240
To the conservatives they can be this,
to the liberals they can be that.

02:14:51.280 --> 02:14:52.680
That's what they do in the Adventist
Review.

02:14:52.880 --> 02:14:58.180
They toss the conservatives a bone every
few months with an article that the

02:14:58.180 --> 02:15:02.060
conservatives love, but then they go along
with the liberals for most of the time but

02:15:02.060 --> 02:15:05.620
if the conservatives really start causing
a stink, well then they'll toss them a

02:15:05.620 --> 02:15:08.320
bone with another conservative article in
the Adventist Review.

02:15:08.440 --> 02:15:10.820
And they try to be everything to the
conservatives and the liberals.

02:15:10.940 --> 02:15:12.060
They try to keep everybody happy.

02:15:12.120 --> 02:15:12.960
You can't do that!

02:15:12.980 --> 02:15:18.420
And the choice of wording is chosen in
such a way that it can appeal to both

02:15:18.420 --> 02:15:19.560
sides of the question.

02:15:20.560 --> 02:15:24.040
And this is what's happening more and more
in our statements of fundamental belief so

02:15:24.040 --> 02:15:29.580
that it will seem to be judged right from
a liberal perspective or from a

02:15:29.580 --> 02:15:30.680
conservative perspective.

02:15:31.200 --> 02:15:34.160
Right and wrong are put thus in our own
power.

02:15:34.620 --> 02:15:38.920
We can make the same action a sin or a
duty as we please or as we deem it

02:15:38.920 --> 02:15:39.480
expedient.

02:15:39.980 --> 02:15:43.220
To steal the property, slander the
character, violate the chastity,

02:15:43.240 --> 02:15:47.320
or spill the blood of a fellow creature is
most probably wrong, but let us imagine

02:15:47.320 --> 02:15:50.380
some good to be got by it, and it is
probably right.

02:15:51.060 --> 02:15:55.100
The Jesuit writers, for the sake of those
who are dull of understanding and slow to

02:15:55.100 --> 02:15:58.980
apprehend the freedom they bring them,
have gone into particulars and compiled

02:15:58.980 --> 02:16:02.540
lists of actions esteemed sinful,
unnatural, and abominable by the moral

02:16:02.540 --> 02:16:06.920
sense of all nations hitherto,
but which in virtue of this new morality

02:16:06.920 --> 02:16:11.340
are no longer so, and they have explained
how these actions may be safely done with

02:16:11.340 --> 02:16:15.740
a minuteness of detail and a luxuriance of
illustration in which it were tedious in

02:16:15.740 --> 02:16:17.840
some cases and modest in others to follow
them.

02:16:18.100 --> 02:16:20.180
One would think that this was licensed
enough.

02:16:20.320 --> 02:16:23.480
What more can the Jesuit need,
or what more can he possibly have,

02:16:23.840 --> 02:16:27.580
seeing by a little effort of invention he
can over leap every human and divine

02:16:27.580 --> 02:16:32.480
barrier and commit the most horrible
crimes on the mightiest possible scale and

02:16:32.480 --> 02:16:35.200
neither feel remorse of conscience nor
fear of punishment.

02:16:35.680 --> 02:16:39.680
But this unbounded liberty of wickedness
did not content the sons of Loyola.

02:16:39.860 --> 02:16:42.580
They panted for a liberty of possible yet
more boundless.

02:16:43.060 --> 02:16:47.460
They wished to be released from the easy
condition of imagining some good end for

02:16:47.460 --> 02:16:51.620
the wickedness they wished to perpetrate,
and to be free to sin without the trouble

02:16:51.620 --> 02:16:54.160
of assigning even to themselves any end at
all.

02:16:54.540 --> 02:16:58.160
This they have accomplished by the method
of directing the intention.

02:16:58.900 --> 02:17:02.980
This is a new ethical science unknown to
those ages which were not privileged to

02:17:02.980 --> 02:17:07.200
bask in the illuminating rays of the
society of Jesus, and it is as simple as

02:17:07.200 --> 02:17:07.540
convenient.

02:17:08.220 --> 02:17:13.120
It is the soul, they argue, that does the
act so far as it is moral or immoral.

02:17:13.540 --> 02:17:17.980
As regards the body's share in it,
neither virtue nor vice can be predicated

02:17:17.980 --> 02:17:18.320
of it.

02:17:18.780 --> 02:17:23.160
If, therefore, while the hand is shedding
blood, or the tongue is calumniating

02:17:23.160 --> 02:17:28.000
character, or uttering a falsehood,
the soul can so abstract itself from what

02:17:28.000 --> 02:17:33.320
the body is doing as to occupy itself the
while with some holy theme or fix its

02:17:33.320 --> 02:17:37.880
meditation upon some benefit or advantage
likely to arise from the deed which it

02:17:37.880 --> 02:17:41.160
knows or at least suspects the body is at
that moment engaged in doing.

02:17:41.520 --> 02:17:46.200
The soul contracts neither guilt nor stain
and the man runs no risk of ever being

02:17:46.200 --> 02:17:50.400
called to account for the murder or theft
or calumny by God or of incurring his

02:17:50.400 --> 02:17:51.640
displeasure on that ground.

02:17:52.720 --> 02:17:56.280
So here is the next tenet, the directing
of the intention.

02:17:56.380 --> 02:18:01.160
In other words, if you have a good motive,
you can do an evil deed.

02:18:01.640 --> 02:18:05.280
And I think that also fits this idea of
the loving thing to do.

02:18:05.420 --> 02:18:09.700
If you have a good motive, you can violate
the law of God.

02:18:09.940 --> 02:18:16.700
That is likewise part of this system of
situation ethics, it appears to me.

02:20:25.800 --> 02:20:34.000
It's interesting that the hippie movement
was preceded by groups such as the

02:20:34.000 --> 02:20:38.820
Situationist International in France,
which were precursors of the hippie

02:20:38.820 --> 02:20:39.160
movement.

02:20:40.120 --> 02:20:47.820
And when we see the same principle being
woven throughout human life, it makes us

02:20:47.820 --> 02:20:50.100
wonder, where is this all coming from?

02:20:51.420 --> 02:20:55.440
But when the person is not of such a
wretched disposition as this, we try to

02:20:55.440 --> 02:20:59.740
put in practice our method of directing
the intention, which simply consists in

02:20:59.740 --> 02:21:04.060
his proposing to himself as the end of his
actions some allowable object.

02:21:04.480 --> 02:21:07.720
It's another variation on the end
justifies the means, isn't it?

02:21:08.680 --> 02:21:13.200
Not that we do not endeavor as far as we
can to dissuade men from doing things

02:21:13.200 --> 02:21:18.280
forbidden, but when we cannot prevent the
action we at least purify the motive and

02:21:18.280 --> 02:21:21.540
thus correct the viciousness of the means
by the goodness of the end.

02:21:21.940 --> 02:21:25.800
Such is the way in which our fathers of
the society have contrived to permit those

02:21:25.800 --> 02:21:29.660
acts of violence to which men usually
resort in vindication of their honor.

02:21:30.420 --> 02:21:33.820
They have no more to do than to turn off
the intention from the desire of

02:21:33.820 --> 02:21:37.380
vengeance, which is criminal, and to
direct it to a desire to defend their

02:21:37.380 --> 02:21:40.100
honor, which according to us is quite
warrantable.

02:21:40.660 --> 02:21:44.660
And in this way our doctors discharge all
their duty towards God and towards man.

02:21:44.940 --> 02:21:48.820
By permitting the action they gratify the
world and by purifying the intention they

02:21:48.820 --> 02:21:50.620
give satisfaction to the gospel.

02:21:50.880 --> 02:21:58.660
So what it does is it destroys the clarity
of right and wrong and having the heart in

02:21:58.660 --> 02:22:04.620
submission to the principles of right and
wrong and the definition that God gives of

02:22:04.620 --> 02:22:05.800
right and wrong in the Bible.

02:22:10.730 --> 02:22:14.450
So there are three great rules of the code
of the Jesuits, Wiley says.

02:22:14.970 --> 02:22:17.210
Number one, that the end justifies the
means.

02:22:17.410 --> 02:22:17.790
We know that.

02:22:18.030 --> 02:22:21.610
Number two, that it is safe to do any
action if it be probably right,

02:22:21.670 --> 02:22:23.930
although it may be more probably wrong.

02:22:24.030 --> 02:22:24.530
We know that.

02:22:24.650 --> 02:22:29.290
And three, that if one know to direct the
intention of right, there is no deed be

02:22:29.290 --> 02:22:34.230
its moral character what it may which one
may not do may seem to give a license of

02:22:34.230 --> 02:22:38.230
acting so immense that to add there to
were an altogether superfluous and indeed

02:22:38.230 --> 02:22:39.370
an impossible task.

02:22:39.890 --> 02:22:43.190
So it's the directing of of the intention
is the third one.

02:22:43.770 --> 02:22:48.810
Now I want to just give a little more
description here from Wiley as to what

02:22:48.810 --> 02:22:52.650
happens when the Jesuits have taken over
in countries.

02:22:53.370 --> 02:22:56.990
Wherever the Jesuits have planted
missions, open seminaries, and established

02:22:56.990 --> 02:23:02.410
colleges, they have been careful to
inculcate these principles in the minds of

02:23:02.410 --> 02:23:02.890
the youth.

02:23:03.450 --> 02:23:08.490
Thus sowing the seeds of future tumults,
revolutions, regicides, or killing of

02:23:08.490 --> 02:23:10.150
kings, and wars.

02:23:11.070 --> 02:23:15.530
How many assassins they sent to England to
murder Elizabeth, history attests.

02:23:16.330 --> 02:23:19.630
The very sanctuary of their own popes they
have defiled with blood.

02:23:19.970 --> 02:23:23.830
In the gun powder plot that's in England,
we see them deliberately planning to

02:23:23.830 --> 02:23:26.950
destroy at one blow the nobility and
gentry of England.

02:23:27.450 --> 02:23:31.070
To them we owe those civil wars,
which for so many years drenched with

02:23:31.070 --> 02:23:32.750
blood the fair provinces of France.

02:23:32.830 --> 02:23:35.410
That's the war between the Huguenots and
the Catholics.

02:23:35.950 --> 02:23:39.490
They laid the train of that crowning
horror, the St. Bartholomew massacre.

02:23:40.250 --> 02:23:44.330
Philip II and the Jesuits share between
them the guilt of the invincible armada,

02:23:44.910 --> 02:23:47.890
which instead of inflicting the
measureless ruin and havoc which its

02:23:47.890 --> 02:23:52.330
authors intended by a most merciful
providence, became the means of exhausting

02:23:52.330 --> 02:23:54.390
the treasures and overthrowing the
prestige of Spain.

02:23:54.890 --> 02:23:58.930
What a harvest of plots, tumults,
seditions, revolutions, torturings,

02:23:59.050 --> 02:24:03.610
poisonings, assassinations, regicides and
massacres that Christendom reaped from the

02:24:03.610 --> 02:24:04.930
seeds sown by the Jesuits.

02:24:05.370 --> 02:24:09.670
Nor can we be sure that we have yet seen
the last and greatest of their crimes.

02:24:09.750 --> 02:24:12.690
And then he takes up the doctrine of
mental reservation.

02:24:13.350 --> 02:24:18.970
And that is that they can say anything or
do anything as long as they hold a mental

02:24:18.970 --> 02:24:19.530
reservation.

02:24:19.690 --> 02:24:22.550
And while they're saying it, that I didn't
say this on such and such a day,

02:24:22.670 --> 02:24:23.750
or that type of thing.

02:24:23.810 --> 02:24:26.410
The concept of mental reservation.

02:24:27.810 --> 02:24:33.090
The still darker side of the Jesuits acts
in that it changes all that is noble into

02:24:33.090 --> 02:24:34.010
all that is vile.

02:24:34.150 --> 02:24:38.590
Theirs is an accursed alchemy by which
they transmute good into evil and virtue

02:24:38.590 --> 02:24:39.310
into vice.

02:24:39.870 --> 02:24:43.630
There is no destructive agency with which
the world is liable to be visited that

02:24:43.630 --> 02:24:48.330
penetrates so deep or inflicts so
remedy-less a ruin as the morality of the

02:24:48.330 --> 02:24:48.750
Jesuits.

02:24:49.510 --> 02:24:52.790
The havoc the Jesuit inflicts is
irredeemable.

02:24:52.790 --> 02:24:55.870
It has nothing in it counteractive or
restorative.

02:24:55.970 --> 02:24:56.930
It is only evil.

02:24:57.550 --> 02:25:01.430
It is not upon the works of man or the
institutions of man merely that it puts

02:25:01.430 --> 02:25:03.210
forth its fearfully destructive power.

02:25:03.630 --> 02:25:04.970
It is upon man himself.

02:25:05.590 --> 02:25:08.310
It is not the body of man that it strikes
like the pestilence.

02:25:08.370 --> 02:25:09.110
It is the soul.

02:25:09.570 --> 02:25:14.250
It is not a part but the whole of man that
it consigns to corruption and ruin.

02:25:14.310 --> 02:25:18.490
And I think this letter that we read gives
us a little description of what happened

02:25:18.490 --> 02:25:20.450
in one life for ten years.

02:25:20.450 --> 02:25:22.870
Years of satanic control.

02:25:23.430 --> 02:25:24.730
Conscience it destroys.

02:25:25.430 --> 02:25:26.830
Knowledge it extinguishes.

02:25:26.930 --> 02:25:31.290
The very power of discerning between right
and wrong it takes away and shuts up the

02:25:31.290 --> 02:25:35.670
man in a prison whence no created agency
or influence can set him free.

02:25:36.170 --> 02:25:39.130
The fall defaced the image of God in which
man was made.

02:25:39.250 --> 02:25:40.230
We say defaced.

02:25:40.650 --> 02:25:42.850
It did not totally obliterate or
extinguish it.

02:25:43.170 --> 02:25:48.210
Jesuitism, more terrible than the fall,
totally effaces from the soul of man the

02:25:48.210 --> 02:25:48.950
image of God.

02:25:49.430 --> 02:25:52.770
Of the knowledge, righteousness and true
holiness in which man was made it leaves

02:25:52.770 --> 02:25:53.470
not a trace.

02:25:53.570 --> 02:25:57.890
It plucks up by its very roots the moral
constitution which God gave man.

02:25:58.290 --> 02:26:02.070
The full triumph of Jesuitism would leave
nothing spiritual, nothing moral,

02:26:02.210 --> 02:26:05.930
nothing intellectual, nothing strictly and
properly human existing on the earth.

02:26:05.950 --> 02:26:11.210
And this is why nation after nation has
expelled the Jesuits over and over again.

02:26:12.410 --> 02:26:16.010
Man it would change into the animal,
impelled by nothing but appetites and

02:26:16.010 --> 02:26:19.650
passions and these more fierce and cruel
than those of the tiger.

02:26:20.190 --> 02:26:24.130
Society would become simply a herd of
wolves lawless, ravenous, greedy of each

02:26:24.130 --> 02:26:26.870
other's blood and perpetually in quest of
prey.

02:26:27.330 --> 02:26:30.770
Even Jesuitism itself would perish,
devoured by its own progeny.

02:26:31.250 --> 02:26:35.210
Our earth at last would be simply a vast
sepulcher, moving around the sun in its

02:26:35.210 --> 02:26:39.690
annual circuit, its bosom as joyless,
dreary and waste as are those silent

02:26:39.690 --> 02:26:41.090
spaces through which it rolls.

02:26:42.130 --> 02:26:46.950
So, just to conclude, John, a little bit
here about what we've been saying.

02:26:47.630 --> 02:26:52.530
The Jesuit is trained to have a very
tactful approach, to be very courteous,

02:26:52.670 --> 02:26:57.730
to have a very humble and submissive
department, to pay frequent visits to the

02:26:57.730 --> 02:26:58.210
hospital.

02:26:58.630 --> 02:27:02.670
And their specialty, above all else,
is the instruction of youth.

02:27:03.090 --> 02:27:03.610
Education.

02:27:04.270 --> 02:27:05.990
Yes, indoctrinate the youth.

02:27:06.430 --> 02:27:12.670
And so, with that thought in mind,
you know, people think and talk about the

02:27:12.670 --> 02:27:13.950
Jesuits, but what will they find?

02:27:14.030 --> 02:27:18.730
They'll find a very courteous,
very tactful, very engaging, lovable,

02:27:19.070 --> 02:27:21.870
submissive, humble-appearing individual.

02:27:22.110 --> 02:27:22.750
Teddy bear.

02:27:22.870 --> 02:27:29.370
But the impact of Jesuitism has to be
judged based on what happens in the human

02:27:29.370 --> 02:27:30.490
mind and the human heart.

02:27:30.610 --> 02:27:36.250
Because in the 20th century now,
in America, their forte has been the field

02:27:36.250 --> 02:27:42.570
of education, more than the kind of
violent dealings that the Jesuits had in

02:27:42.570 --> 02:27:43.610
the 16th century.

02:27:45.350 --> 02:27:50.790
Now, we've looked at some of this,
John, because of the significance of

02:27:51.690 --> 02:27:55.770
having a president who has been trained by
the Jesuits.

02:27:56.270 --> 02:28:01.790
Well, Bob, I know that you have built a
good spiritual base here from this book,

02:28:01.950 --> 02:28:04.410
The History of Protestantism, but there's
so many...

02:28:04.410 --> 02:28:08.590
I'm looking at all these volumes,
all these books that you have on three,

02:28:08.810 --> 02:28:10.050
four tables here.

02:28:10.250 --> 02:28:13.190
We're already halfway through this
videotape.

02:28:13.250 --> 02:28:14.550
We've got a lot of ground to cover.

02:28:14.670 --> 02:28:16.350
I see you've got a book on President
Clinton there.

02:28:16.390 --> 02:28:18.250
How does he enter into all this?

02:28:18.450 --> 02:28:21.210
Okay, Bill Clinton went to Georgetown
University.

02:28:21.530 --> 02:28:22.290
We've mentioned that.

02:28:22.690 --> 02:28:28.470
Georgetown is considered to be,
by the Jesuits, the mother of all Jesuit

02:28:28.470 --> 02:28:28.870
schools.

02:28:29.150 --> 02:28:33.190
I'll just bring you something here from
this biography, Bill Clinton, The Inside

02:28:33.190 --> 02:28:34.950
Story, page 39.

02:28:35.750 --> 02:28:40.550
Early in the fall, Bill drove with
Virginia to Georgetown to register for his

02:28:40.550 --> 02:28:41.270
freshman year.

02:28:41.870 --> 02:28:45.790
Edith Irons recalled that his first days
at Georgetown required a bit of adjusting.

02:28:45.930 --> 02:28:50.550
Now, he was a Southern Baptist going to a
Jesuit school.

02:28:50.770 --> 02:28:53.390
Bill and his mother went to Georgetown for
his orientation.

02:28:53.730 --> 02:28:57.610
A Jesuit priest had shown them around the
school, and they came back to his office.

02:28:57.790 --> 02:29:00.230
He said, What foreign languages do you
speak?

02:29:00.610 --> 02:29:01.950
Bill answered, None, sir.

02:29:02.410 --> 02:29:07.410
The priest exclaimed, What in the name of
the Holy Father is a Southern Baptist who

02:29:07.410 --> 02:29:11.970
can't speak a foreign language doing in
the mother of all Jesuit schools?

02:29:12.450 --> 02:29:13.890
So that's what they consider it.

02:29:13.970 --> 02:29:17.390
Well, I plan on being the president of the
United States in 1990.

02:29:17.630 --> 02:29:21.270
Bill went on to become president of almost
everything at Georgetown.

02:29:21.550 --> 02:29:22.190
Isn't that something?

02:29:22.510 --> 02:29:24.610
He was a very engaging individual.

02:29:24.910 --> 02:29:26.190
He helped students.

02:29:26.330 --> 02:29:28.130
He helped cripples that came to school.

02:29:28.290 --> 02:29:30.950
He showed them around, showed them where
things were, blind people.

02:29:30.950 --> 02:29:35.090
And he went on to really make his mark
there at Georgetown.

02:29:35.590 --> 02:29:41.990
And then he went as a Rhodes Scholar to
study over in England.

02:29:42.710 --> 02:29:45.190
Now, what does it mean to be a Rhodes
Scholar?

02:29:47.190 --> 02:29:53.190
To explain that, we need to come down to
our more recent time when Bill Clinton

02:29:53.190 --> 02:29:58.650
made his acceptance speech at the
Democratic Convention.

02:29:59.710 --> 02:30:07.210
He said at Madison Square Garden at the
acceptance speech, "...as the scripture

02:30:07.210 --> 02:30:11.050
says, our eyes have not yet seen,
nor our ears heard, nor our minds

02:30:11.050 --> 02:30:12.690
imagined, what we can build.

02:30:12.810 --> 02:30:13.510
We can do it.

02:30:13.950 --> 02:30:17.210
As a teenager, I heard John Kennedy's
summons to citizenship.

02:30:17.850 --> 02:30:23.170
And then, as a student at Georgetown,
I heard that call clarified by a professor

02:30:23.170 --> 02:30:30.370
named Carol Quigley." Now, Tex Mars,
in his Flashpoint newsletter, has a couple

02:30:30.370 --> 02:30:35.530
of issues dealing with Bill Clinton and
the Bilderberger conspiracy.

02:30:36.230 --> 02:30:42.130
The Bilderbergers, by June of 1991,
had met in Baden-Baden, Germany,

02:30:42.690 --> 02:30:47.090
and they had invited Bill Clinton over to
their meeting, and they had endorsed him

02:30:47.090 --> 02:30:51.890
to be their candidate for the next
President of the United States.

02:30:51.930 --> 02:30:55.270
And we've discussed the Bilderbergers in
past videos.

02:30:55.670 --> 02:30:59.570
They're one of the most prominent groups
pushing for a new world order.

02:31:00.350 --> 02:31:02.330
And who is this Carol Quigley?

02:31:03.110 --> 02:31:03.890
Carol Quigley.

02:31:04.050 --> 02:31:10.670
I got his book entitled, Tragedy and Hope,
to get an idea of what this mentor,

02:31:10.870 --> 02:31:15.530
this spiritual mentor, of Bill Clinton
taught and what he thought.

02:31:15.590 --> 02:31:20.570
This was written in 1966, Tragedy and
Hope, a History of the World in Our Time

02:31:20.570 --> 02:31:21.310
by Carol Quigley.

02:31:21.450 --> 02:31:24.310
It's thirteen hundred pages long.

02:31:25.190 --> 02:31:31.090
And Carol Quigley tells in here how he had
access to the secret records of the secret

02:31:31.090 --> 02:31:34.230
groups that are pushing for a new world
order.

02:31:34.350 --> 02:31:35.970
On page 950.

02:31:36.790 --> 02:31:43.150
He says, There does exist, and has existed
for a generation, an international

02:31:43.150 --> 02:31:47.430
anglophile network which operates,
to some extent, in the way the radical

02:31:47.430 --> 02:31:49.190
right believes the Communist Act.

02:31:49.670 --> 02:31:53.730
In fact, this network, which we may
identify as the Round Table Groups,

02:31:54.110 --> 02:31:57.750
has no aversion to cooperating with the
Communists or any other groups,

02:31:57.770 --> 02:31:59.030
and frequently does so.

02:31:59.610 --> 02:32:03.170
I know of the operations of this network
because I have studied it for twenty

02:32:03.170 --> 02:32:08.850
years, and was permitted for two years in
the early 1960s to examine its papers and

02:32:08.850 --> 02:32:09.590
secret records.

02:32:10.090 --> 02:32:14.570
I have no aversion to it, or to most of
its aims, and have for much of my life

02:32:14.570 --> 02:32:17.170
been close to it, and to many of its
instruments.

02:32:17.250 --> 02:32:23.750
So here is a secret organization,
and these Round Table Groups are pushing

02:32:23.750 --> 02:32:24.870
for a New World Order.

02:32:25.530 --> 02:32:30.990
In fact, in our area here of North
America, the United States of America,

02:32:31.330 --> 02:32:35.590
it was the Round Table Groups,
also called the Milner Group, which

02:32:35.590 --> 02:32:38.030
founded the Council on Foreign Relations.

02:32:38.550 --> 02:32:41.790
And see, we discussed that one or two
videos back in the Jesuit Agendas,

02:32:42.150 --> 02:32:46.470
and the role that they are playing for the
New World Order.

02:32:47.750 --> 02:32:53.370
I want to bring another quote out here
about the financial world, because Bill

02:32:53.370 --> 02:33:00.470
Clinton came into the Presidency on a wave
of concern about the economy.

02:33:01.550 --> 02:33:06.990
And when he became President-elect,
the President of Georgetown University

02:33:06.990 --> 02:33:12.070
promised and pledged the full cooperation
of Georgetown with him in his Presidency,

02:33:12.690 --> 02:33:19.210
and we understand that Bill Clinton
reciprocated in a speech in promising his

02:33:19.210 --> 02:33:20.990
cooperation with Georgetown.

02:33:21.270 --> 02:33:26.670
So here you have the most powerful center
of Jesuit influence in North America,

02:33:26.850 --> 02:33:33.470
which has not only trained Bill Clinton,
but produced his mentor who trained him in

02:33:33.470 --> 02:33:39.130
the way he would perceive the world and
its views, and which has now pledged its

02:33:39.130 --> 02:33:41.810
full and complete cooperation with him in
his Presidency.

02:33:41.810 --> 02:33:47.510
A President that is linked up inextricably
with the Jesuit order.

02:33:48.370 --> 02:33:51.690
This is a rather mind-boggling idea,
and that's why we wanted to go through

02:33:51.690 --> 02:33:57.610
some of the classical understanding of the
Jesuits, and what their aims and goals and

02:33:57.610 --> 02:33:58.850
purposes are.

02:33:59.530 --> 02:34:02.110
Page 324 in Tragedy and Hope.

02:34:02.570 --> 02:34:06.390
In addition to these pragmatic goals,
the powers of financial capitalism had

02:34:06.390 --> 02:34:07.750
another far-reaching aim.

02:34:08.190 --> 02:34:13.430
Nothing less than to create a world system
of financial control in private hands,

02:34:13.550 --> 02:34:18.490
able to dominate the political system of
each country, and the economy of the world

02:34:18.490 --> 02:34:19.510
as a whole.

02:34:19.810 --> 02:34:23.810
Now we talked a little bit about this in,
I think it was, Jesuit Agenda 2.

02:34:24.050 --> 02:34:31.490
So here is a financial system that wants
to dominate the political system of each

02:34:31.490 --> 02:34:33.470
country and the economy of the world as a
whole.

02:34:33.790 --> 02:34:38.310
This system was to be controlled in a
feudalist fashion by the central banks of

02:34:38.310 --> 02:34:43.290
the world, acting in concert by secret
agreements arrived at in frequent private

02:34:43.290 --> 02:34:44.890
meetings and conferences.

02:34:45.590 --> 02:34:50.810
In a magazine that was sent to me,
another quote out of this book appears,

02:34:51.170 --> 02:34:55.330
and the page number wasn't given,
and I haven't been able to locate it yet,

02:34:55.850 --> 02:34:57.770
but I'd like to read this quote.

02:34:58.910 --> 02:35:03.230
The individual's freedom and choice will
be controlled within very narrow

02:35:03.230 --> 02:35:05.870
alternatives, looking forward to the
future in America.

02:35:05.870 --> 02:35:10.110
The individual's freedom and choice will
be controlled within very narrow

02:35:10.110 --> 02:35:14.970
alternatives by the fact that he will be
numbered from birth and followed as a

02:35:14.970 --> 02:35:19.590
number through his educational training,
his required military or other public

02:35:19.590 --> 02:35:24.110
service, his tax contributions,
his health and medical requirements,

02:35:24.310 --> 02:35:27.130
and his final retirement and death
benefits.

02:35:28.150 --> 02:35:34.310
Very, very interesting about the
continually restricting range of choices

02:35:34.310 --> 02:35:42.330
that people are having in America due to
the manipulation of economic matters.

02:35:43.330 --> 02:35:46.370
Carol Quigley also wrote this book,
The Anglo-American Establishment,

02:35:46.410 --> 02:35:50.230
where he tells about the founding of this
roundtable group.

02:35:50.850 --> 02:35:55.090
It was founded by a man named Cecil
Rhodes, and you've heard of Rhodesia.

02:35:55.330 --> 02:35:56.870
It's now Zimbabwe.

02:35:56.950 --> 02:35:58.890
I taught there in Rhodesia.

02:35:59.390 --> 02:36:03.530
And Cecil Rhodes was the one who,
he was a mason, and he founded the

02:36:03.530 --> 02:36:10.570
original what Quigley calls the roundtable
groups, or the Milner group, which in turn

02:36:10.570 --> 02:36:15.550
spawned regional groups around the world,
including the Council of Foreign

02:36:15.550 --> 02:36:16.070
Relations.

02:36:16.810 --> 02:36:23.150
So, apparently Quigley, as far as we can
determine, and Tex Myers certainly takes

02:36:23.150 --> 02:36:29.610
this position, Quigley, as the mentor of
Bill Clinton, introduced him into the

02:36:29.610 --> 02:36:34.190
international community that has been
pushing for a new world order.

02:36:34.830 --> 02:36:41.530
He was endorsed at Baden-Baden,
and he has, Clinton has received his world

02:36:41.530 --> 02:36:46.250
perspective, and it's a very comprehensive
world perspective in this Tragedy and Hope

02:36:46.250 --> 02:36:50.490
book, dealing with everything from the
young people's dating patterns,

02:36:51.070 --> 02:36:56.650
to all types of social dimensions,
and political dimensions, and economic

02:36:56.650 --> 02:36:57.130
dimensions.

02:36:57.130 --> 02:37:02.730
It is a very comprehensive world view
perspective, from the perspective of

02:37:02.730 --> 02:37:03.430
Catholicism.

02:37:04.430 --> 02:37:07.650
And even though Bill Clinton is a Southern
Baptist, or claims to be a Southern

02:37:07.650 --> 02:37:13.130
Baptist, he has received his educational
training at the hands of the Jesuits.

02:37:14.210 --> 02:37:16.030
Sounds very, very plausible.

02:37:16.330 --> 02:37:18.070
Tell us about the Kulakow file.

02:37:18.150 --> 02:37:19.470
What did you find out about that,
Bob?

02:37:20.270 --> 02:37:25.630
Okay, John, to introduce the Kulakow file,
I have a book here, The Fragrance of

02:37:25.630 --> 02:37:27.890
Oppression, The Church and Its
Persecutors.

02:37:28.410 --> 02:37:33.430
This is the story of the experience of the
church under communist domination.

02:37:34.710 --> 02:37:38.770
In this book, there is a chapter on
totalitarian control of the church

02:37:38.770 --> 02:37:39.350
structure.

02:37:39.930 --> 02:37:45.410
And it gives us an insight into the way
the totalitarian systems of communism

02:37:45.410 --> 02:37:47.070
related to the church.

02:37:47.670 --> 02:37:51.750
The totalitarian regime often concludes
that the challenges presented by the

02:37:51.750 --> 02:37:56.030
presence of Christianity can be better
handled by other means than violence.

02:37:56.750 --> 02:38:00.790
Taking active measures, to use the typical
euphemistic language, carries with it the

02:38:00.790 --> 02:38:05.050
disadvantages associated with creating
martyrdom and resistance at home and

02:38:05.050 --> 02:38:06.310
diplomatic defeats abroad.

02:38:06.490 --> 02:38:09.750
So they found that it was
counterproductive to be too violent with

02:38:09.750 --> 02:38:12.610
the church, and they wanted to control it
through other means.

02:38:13.090 --> 02:38:18.530
Usually, the regime prefers to attain its
ends by softer means, by controlling the

02:38:18.530 --> 02:38:23.270
churches and minimizing the damage that
might come from Christian challenges to

02:38:23.270 --> 02:38:24.030
its legitimacy.

02:38:24.290 --> 02:38:29.570
Or even better, by turning the churches
into tools usable for the consolidation

02:38:29.570 --> 02:38:31.550
and expansion of state power.

02:38:31.930 --> 02:38:36.650
So what they wanted to do was infiltrate
the churches and turn them into a tool

02:38:36.650 --> 02:38:38.850
that the state could then use.

02:38:39.570 --> 02:38:47.830
And this is a very interesting concept
because in Russia, this is exactly what

02:38:47.830 --> 02:38:48.270
they did.

02:38:48.330 --> 02:38:53.890
And this is what the KGB files that were
opened up, which we disclosed some about

02:38:53.890 --> 02:39:01.390
last time on Jesuit Agenda 3, shows us
that they controlled the elections,

02:39:01.690 --> 02:39:05.710
they controlled various aspects of the
operation of the church.

02:39:06.190 --> 02:39:09.370
Now there's been a lot of talk about
Kulakov, and there's been a real

02:39:09.370 --> 02:39:14.530
propaganda blitz by the General Conference
structure to try to vindicate him.

02:39:14.550 --> 02:39:20.390
Union papers in the Adventist Review,
in sermons by Bob Falkenberg around the

02:39:20.390 --> 02:39:25.430
country and around the world, trying to
discredit what we have found and what we

02:39:25.430 --> 02:39:26.590
have come out with.

02:39:27.190 --> 02:39:34.390
Well, just in summary, John, this matter
of Kulakov was a major issue in Russia.

02:39:35.190 --> 02:39:43.030
And the Kulakov file materials start about
1978, and are a series of letters and

02:39:43.030 --> 02:39:47.290
notations by General Conference men as
they were trying to come to grips with the

02:39:47.290 --> 02:39:52.510
phenomenon of Kulakov and his rise to
power in Russia.

02:39:52.770 --> 02:39:57.690
And to just give it in a nutshell,
there was tremendous consternation in

02:39:57.690 --> 02:40:03.350
Russia, because Kulakov appeared on the
scene, he was working hand-in-glove with

02:40:03.350 --> 02:40:05.970
the state authorities, with the atheistic
authorities.

02:40:06.390 --> 02:40:10.730
He would come into an area, and he would
split the church, he would take

02:40:11.350 --> 02:40:14.290
dissenters, or people who had been
disfellowshipped, and form a new

02:40:14.290 --> 02:40:18.750
congregation, and then go to the
authorities and have that recognized as

02:40:18.750 --> 02:40:20.070
being the registered church.

02:40:20.510 --> 02:40:25.050
And the main church body, which did not
want to accept his ideas about sending

02:40:25.050 --> 02:40:29.050
children to school on Sabbath,
who wanted to remain faithful Seventh-day

02:40:29.050 --> 02:40:33.310
Adventists, were left out in the cold as
being unregistered and illegal.

02:40:33.590 --> 02:40:36.490
That sounds like what Phil Dunham did in
Oregon.

02:40:36.890 --> 02:40:40.210
It's the same kind of tactics.

02:40:40.210 --> 02:40:49.810
And we find that in some cases,
thousands of Russians appealed to the

02:40:49.810 --> 02:40:52.930
General Conference for help in dealing
with Kulakov.

02:40:53.710 --> 02:40:58.250
They sent letter after letter,
and at first, the General Conference men

02:40:58.250 --> 02:41:04.230
were quite upset with Kulakov for wanting
to send the children to school on Sabbath.

02:41:04.410 --> 02:41:06.690
They could not see light in what he was
proposing.

02:41:08.030 --> 02:41:16.030
But as we know, the sad story is that
eventually, Kulakov gained power and took

02:41:16.030 --> 02:41:16.390
over.

02:41:17.210 --> 02:41:19.450
I'd like to just read a letter or two.

02:41:19.610 --> 02:41:20.470
Would you be interested in?

02:41:21.010 --> 02:41:25.250
And this is from pages 66 and 67 in this
book, The Kulakov File.

02:41:25.310 --> 02:41:28.770
Now, what are you making this Kulakov file
available for to your supporters?

02:41:28.770 --> 02:41:29.630
For a gift of $10.

02:41:30.010 --> 02:41:30.270
Okay.

02:41:30.590 --> 02:41:33.390
I tell you, I'd like to have the Kulakov
file.

02:41:33.950 --> 02:41:37.910
I'd like to have this letter that you read
from this girl about Bill Loveless.

02:41:38.270 --> 02:41:40.330
I'd like to have these different things.

02:41:40.370 --> 02:41:44.130
I'd like to put them all together in the
documentation pack for our people at the

02:41:44.130 --> 02:41:44.730
end of this video.

02:41:45.070 --> 02:41:47.710
So they can just get the documentation
pack and get all this stuff in it.

02:41:47.870 --> 02:41:47.870
Sure.

02:41:48.610 --> 02:41:54.170
To the Special Committee of Seven in the
RSFSR from the Seventh-day Adventist

02:41:54.170 --> 02:41:55.470
Church in Rostov-on-Don.

02:41:55.590 --> 02:42:00.670
Dear brothers, having been for a long
period of time in trouble, in a struggle

02:42:00.670 --> 02:42:04.250
which was directed against our church by
the authorities, we can't stand it any

02:42:04.250 --> 02:42:04.570
longer.

02:42:04.570 --> 02:42:09.270
During the last year, we re-elected the
church elder three times by command of the

02:42:09.270 --> 02:42:09.670
authorities.

02:42:10.350 --> 02:42:13.330
The same thing happened with the church
committee, an auditing commission.

02:42:13.870 --> 02:42:17.210
Finally, the church committee was
liquidated, and that one was dissolved

02:42:17.210 --> 02:42:17.730
also.

02:42:17.870 --> 02:42:19.290
Our church building was closed.

02:42:19.830 --> 02:42:22.470
First, we prayed to God, and second went
to the authorities.

02:42:23.070 --> 02:42:28.210
The cause of this struggle is the taking
of part of our members by the Tula field.

02:42:28.370 --> 02:42:31.130
Now, some of the wording is bad
translation.

02:42:31.310 --> 02:42:34.830
Remember, some of this is translated into
English, so I'm going to read it just as

02:42:34.830 --> 02:42:35.170
it is.

02:42:35.530 --> 02:42:41.150
This is why we ask you who are responsible
for reconciliation in the RSFSR to help

02:42:41.150 --> 02:42:41.430
us.

02:42:42.050 --> 02:42:45.430
At the present time we are in a situation
like Judah in the days of Abijah.

02:42:46.050 --> 02:42:49.090
And when Judah looked back, behold,
the battle was before and behind,

02:42:49.210 --> 02:42:51.930
and they cried unto the Lord, and the
priests sounded with the trumpets.

02:42:52.290 --> 02:42:53.910
2 Chronicles 13, 14.

02:42:54.970 --> 02:42:56.330
We had to sound the alarm.

02:42:56.770 --> 02:43:01.150
We lived through a time like in the days
of Jeroboam and Rehoboam, yet Jeroboam,

02:43:01.210 --> 02:43:05.230
the son of Nebat, rebelled against his
lord, and there are gathered unto him vain

02:43:05.230 --> 02:43:07.530
men, and have strengthened themselves
against Rehoboam.

02:43:07.870 --> 02:43:12.810
Have ye not lost, that's the way it reads,
out the priests of the Lord?

02:43:13.270 --> 02:43:18.970
This is the picture of Kulakov and his
supporters, their actions in the RSFSR and

02:43:18.970 --> 02:43:24.430
especially in the south, creating with the
help of police and authorities churches in

02:43:24.430 --> 02:43:26.350
towns where a church had long been
established.

02:43:26.630 --> 02:43:30.570
He sends his workers in to destroy our
brotherhood, which was established long

02:43:30.570 --> 02:43:30.930
ago.

02:43:31.570 --> 02:43:35.770
There is much lying, violence,
intimidation from Kulakov's ministers.

02:43:36.290 --> 02:43:38.530
There are many facts, but we write about
one.

02:43:39.110 --> 02:43:43.550
A minister by the name of Osadchuk,
who had left church work, was ordained by

02:43:43.550 --> 02:43:45.390
Kulakov in the city of Sochi.

02:43:45.970 --> 02:43:50.130
Now he is going from house to house to the
members in Rostov-on-Don, telling lies

02:43:50.130 --> 02:43:53.290
like that our pastor is against the
authorities and their discipline.

02:43:53.770 --> 02:43:57.590
He agitates members and promises them high
positions if they will join his church,

02:43:57.790 --> 02:44:00.490
but those who refuse to join him will be
persecuted.

02:44:01.170 --> 02:44:04.710
Such actions were also tried in the city
of Aksai, but failed.

02:44:05.210 --> 02:44:09.770
In Rostov-on-Don, Kulakov and his helpers
found three disfellowshipped members from

02:44:09.770 --> 02:44:14.150
our church, six members who refused to
join our church, five members from Aksai

02:44:14.150 --> 02:44:20.050
church, and two disfellowshipped from the
city of Vataisk, and one from the city of

02:44:20.050 --> 02:44:24.750
Tula, which is a thousand miles from our
city, and two from the city of Taganroy,

02:44:24.750 --> 02:44:26.390
and one from the city of Kursk.

02:44:26.770 --> 02:44:30.330
They asked the authorities to give them
permission to be the council for the

02:44:30.330 --> 02:44:33.750
church in Rostov-on-Don, but they are not
members of our church.

02:44:34.110 --> 02:44:38.130
It is a blatant case of violence and
disorder in our country when members come

02:44:38.130 --> 02:44:42.050
to the church, not by vote of other
members, but by order of the authorities.

02:44:42.630 --> 02:44:47.270
So these 20 persons, backed by the
authorities, drove out the 146 members

02:44:47.270 --> 02:44:51.090
from our church building, and they became
the registered church for this city,

02:44:51.550 --> 02:44:55.090
and 146 members became illegal
organization.

02:44:55.890 --> 02:44:58.850
We remember the story of the Levite in
Judges 19-30.

02:44:59.250 --> 02:45:02.090
Here we write this document, Judges 27.

02:45:02.650 --> 02:45:08.090
To create in Rostov-on-Don a new church,
Kulikov sent a new worker, Gerasimov.

02:45:08.710 --> 02:45:12.530
It is high time, dear brother,
to proclaim that people should not go to

02:45:12.530 --> 02:45:16.690
Kulikov, but he, with the help of police,
divides churches not only in

02:45:16.690 --> 02:45:17.550
Rostov-on-Don.

02:45:18.070 --> 02:45:19.450
It is not the work of God.

02:45:19.570 --> 02:45:24.790
During the meeting in Moscow on August 20,
1978, Pearson and Lone said that to create

02:45:24.790 --> 02:45:29.030
new churches where a church already is,
is not according to the Adventist plan.

02:45:29.190 --> 02:45:30.170
It is the devil's work.

02:45:30.330 --> 02:45:31.990
True workers would not do such things.

02:45:32.190 --> 02:45:34.730
We ask you, brothers, to pay attention to
our situation.

02:45:35.350 --> 02:45:40.590
That's just one letter, and there's letter
after letter of people desperate,

02:45:41.070 --> 02:45:43.290
from page 26 of the Kulikov file.

02:45:43.550 --> 02:45:46.990
Many of our congregations are making
efforts to become registered, but the

02:45:46.990 --> 02:45:47.930
authorities refuse.

02:45:48.550 --> 02:45:52.170
The reason is that the atheists cannot put
their own people in each church,

02:45:52.250 --> 02:45:54.470
because the loyal Christians did not agree
to this.

02:45:55.030 --> 02:45:57.230
Therefore, the atheists refuse to register
them.

02:45:57.950 --> 02:46:01.450
Kulikov and Parisey agreed to the
conditions of the atheists, so they

02:46:01.450 --> 02:46:02.470
received recognition.

02:46:03.210 --> 02:46:07.750
Kulikov is causing confusion and disorder
among the churches, and causing the

02:46:07.750 --> 02:46:09.230
division to become wider than ever.

02:46:09.670 --> 02:46:12.530
The atheists are happy for the trouble he
is causing in the churches.

02:46:13.210 --> 02:46:16.750
One day the ministers met together and
presented Kulikov with evidence that he is

02:46:16.750 --> 02:46:20.550
guilty of serious negligence in the
performance of his duties as a minister.

02:46:21.770 --> 02:46:24.890
He promised that he would do his best to
separate himself from the atheists,

02:46:25.250 --> 02:46:27.890
but said he must consult with them before
he could do it.

02:46:28.890 --> 02:46:31.170
He went and talked with them, but they
refused him.

02:46:31.230 --> 02:46:33.670
The atheists told Kulikov to continue with
his work.

02:46:34.010 --> 02:46:36.950
He is continuing, like Balaam,
his work against the churches.

02:46:37.610 --> 02:46:38.310
Isn't that something?

02:46:38.570 --> 02:46:41.370
From page 36 of this book, another letter.

02:46:41.430 --> 02:46:44.950
I ask Brother Panisac why the other side,
that is the faithful Seventh-day

02:46:44.950 --> 02:46:48.770
Adventists who are resisting Kulikov,
is so fearful regarding Elder Pearson's

02:46:48.770 --> 02:46:49.050
visits.

02:46:49.230 --> 02:46:50.550
The Elder Pearson, as G.C.

02:46:50.650 --> 02:46:52.930
President at that time, was coming over to
Russia.

02:46:53.510 --> 02:46:56.770
He answered that they fear the General
Conference will appear to support the

02:46:56.770 --> 02:47:00.930
Kulikov group so much that the authorities
can go ahead and create difficulties for

02:47:00.930 --> 02:47:03.530
the fanatics, and nobody will care.

02:47:04.090 --> 02:47:07.710
They believe the authorities are planning
to increase persecution of dissidents,

02:47:08.130 --> 02:47:11.270
and the other side will be considered
dissidents if the General Conference

02:47:11.270 --> 02:47:13.230
appears to side with the Kulikov group.

02:47:13.230 --> 02:47:18.770
So it was a major, massive struggle going
on, with churches being split up,

02:47:19.370 --> 02:47:23.970
and Kulikov working hand-in-glove with the
authorities, which corroborates and

02:47:23.970 --> 02:47:29.750
corresponds with the material that we
showed in Jesuit Agenda 3 regarding the

02:47:31.810 --> 02:47:36.430
agent Svetlov, who was elected to be the
senior minister.

02:47:36.590 --> 02:47:41.350
And incidentally, in these letters,
that term, senior minister, is applied to

02:47:41.350 --> 02:47:43.490
Kulikov again, and again, and again.

02:47:43.770 --> 02:47:45.950
I had a very high opinion of Robert H.

02:47:46.150 --> 02:47:46.270
Pearson.

02:47:46.450 --> 02:47:48.590
I hope you don't burst my bubble,
but where was Robert H.

02:47:48.730 --> 02:47:49.890
Pearson in all this, Bob?

02:47:50.230 --> 02:47:53.590
Well, he was trying to come to grips with
it in the early stages.

02:47:54.610 --> 02:47:59.850
And really, it seems to me that Neil
Wilson was more the one that moved in and

02:47:59.850 --> 02:48:01.250
solidly supported...

02:48:01.250 --> 02:48:04.550
I believe that's obvious with everybody,
that Neil Wilson was the one that

02:48:04.550 --> 02:48:05.790
orchestrated all of this.

02:48:06.690 --> 02:48:11.450
From page 59 of the book, To some extent,
people in our country, such as Kulikov,

02:48:11.610 --> 02:48:15.530
Parisei, and Zucaluk, so-called preachers
in the Seventh-day Adventist churches are

02:48:15.530 --> 02:48:19.730
carrying out work in favor of atheism in
the churches, covering themselves under

02:48:19.730 --> 02:48:20.330
your name.

02:48:20.850 --> 02:48:25.210
Lately, with the help of Parisei and
Kulikov, the atheists are cunningly and by

02:48:25.210 --> 02:48:30.030
force trying to further the purposes of
atheism and hinder the work of God in the

02:48:30.030 --> 02:48:31.070
districts and provinces.

02:48:31.730 --> 02:48:35.110
At the same time, the atheists are
planting their own people in every church.

02:48:35.230 --> 02:48:38.790
Dear brother, they are trying to
accomplish as much as they can before your

02:48:38.790 --> 02:48:39.230
arrival.

02:48:39.790 --> 02:48:43.390
The atheists plan to make use of your
visit and prestige to back their plans,

02:48:43.510 --> 02:48:46.090
for example, Kulikov, Parisei,
and others.

02:48:46.550 --> 02:48:49.250
They want your blessings so that they can
achieve their aims.

02:48:49.470 --> 02:48:53.370
But these persons have lost their prestige
in the churches and hope to make use of

02:48:53.370 --> 02:48:54.530
your visit to restore it.

02:48:54.910 --> 02:48:59.410
This is why the government again permitted
Kulikov to travel to Washington to see you

02:48:59.410 --> 02:49:03.050
on April 4, 1978, in order that he might
complete the arrangements.

02:49:03.610 --> 02:49:08.610
It just gives us a real picture of what
was going on behind the scenes.

02:49:09.370 --> 02:49:14.230
I have here a letter, John, from Richard
Wurmbrand.

02:49:14.350 --> 02:49:15.170
Do you know who he is?

02:49:15.230 --> 02:49:16.010
I've heard the name, yes.

02:49:16.250 --> 02:49:17.590
Would you be interested in hearing that?

02:49:17.670 --> 02:49:17.990
Sure.

02:49:18.230 --> 02:49:21.470
It's written to the General Conference and
it talks about Kulikov.

02:49:21.590 --> 02:49:23.090
This was written about 12 years ago.

02:49:23.110 --> 02:49:24.230
He's not a Seventh-day Adventist,
right?

02:49:24.230 --> 02:49:25.270
Not a Seventh-day Adventist.

02:49:25.310 --> 02:49:27.390
He was a Jewish Christian pastor.

02:49:27.550 --> 02:49:28.350
Persecuted for his faith.

02:49:28.470 --> 02:49:34.750
Persecuted for his faith, who ran a
mission of assisting persecuted Christians

02:49:34.750 --> 02:49:35.890
in communist countries.

02:49:36.470 --> 02:49:38.550
And he's writing to the General Conference
here.

02:49:38.690 --> 02:49:41.950
He says, Dear Brother, your article about
depression was highly appreciated.

02:49:42.550 --> 02:49:46.830
I am a Jewish Christian pastor who have
been persecuted since childhood for being

02:49:46.830 --> 02:49:47.230
a Jew.

02:49:47.830 --> 02:49:50.630
Almost our entire family perished in the
Holocaust.

02:49:51.450 --> 02:49:55.630
After I became a Christian and a pastor,
I was in Nazi prisons and then in

02:49:55.630 --> 02:49:57.350
communist jails for 14 years.

02:49:57.770 --> 02:50:01.390
Now in America I lead a mission which
helps the Christians persecuted in

02:50:01.390 --> 02:50:02.230
communist countries.

02:50:02.410 --> 02:50:06.110
Every day I read reports about Christians
who are imprisoned, tortured, and killed

02:50:06.110 --> 02:50:06.290
there.

02:50:06.490 --> 02:50:08.690
This is before Glasnost and Perestroika.

02:50:09.290 --> 02:50:13.590
This does not depress me, but what weighs
upon me is the unloving attitude of

02:50:13.590 --> 02:50:15.710
American Christians toward their
persecuted brethren.

02:50:16.690 --> 02:50:18.610
Your magazine is an example of this.

02:50:18.670 --> 02:50:22.370
In your article about Russia, you find
similarity between Marx and God's

02:50:22.370 --> 02:50:22.790
promises.

02:50:23.370 --> 02:50:27.470
How can one be a Christian teacher if he
does not distinguish between what one says

02:50:27.470 --> 02:50:28.330
and what one does?

02:50:28.830 --> 02:50:32.610
I send you my book, Was Karl Marx a
Satanist?, with plenty of quotations from

02:50:32.610 --> 02:50:32.950
Marx.

02:50:33.870 --> 02:50:36.790
He says verbatimly that he wishes to ruin
the world.

02:50:37.350 --> 02:50:41.630
To success in this and to catch naives,
they speak about beautiful plans for the

02:50:41.630 --> 02:50:41.930
world.

02:50:42.570 --> 02:50:45.870
Are you not aware that the language of
criminal seduction and that of love are

02:50:45.870 --> 02:50:46.370
the same?

02:50:46.890 --> 02:50:50.350
If I wish a girl for one night to throw
her away afterwards like a dirty rag,

02:50:50.370 --> 02:50:51.470
I will tell her I love you.

02:50:51.770 --> 02:50:54.390
I will say the same if I wish a girl for
honest marriage.

02:50:54.390 --> 02:50:59.210
Before finding similarity between Marxism
and God's promises, you should have

02:50:59.210 --> 02:51:00.310
studied Marx and Lenin.

02:51:01.010 --> 02:51:04.710
The latter wrote in a letter to Gorky,
thousands of natural catastrophes and

02:51:04.710 --> 02:51:07.990
epidemics are preferable to the slightest
notion of God.

02:51:08.450 --> 02:51:10.450
Thus cancer is preferable to faith.

02:51:11.130 --> 02:51:14.770
This is the major difference between us
and Marxists, love toward God and hatred

02:51:14.770 --> 02:51:15.290
toward him.

02:51:15.850 --> 02:51:20.390
Now, I'm going to drop down here to where
we get closer to where he talks about

02:51:20.390 --> 02:51:20.930
Ellen White.

02:51:21.550 --> 02:51:25.990
I sent to Brother Hegstead of your
Department of Religious Liberty a bunch of

02:51:25.990 --> 02:51:28.690
material about Adventists in prison for
their faith in Russia.

02:51:29.510 --> 02:51:33.150
Where was the liberty for the Adventist
preacher Shelkov, who died in jail after

02:51:33.150 --> 02:51:34.690
24 years of detention?

02:51:35.170 --> 02:51:38.690
The same for many others of the
underground and of the officials Adventist

02:51:38.690 --> 02:51:39.050
Church.

02:51:39.490 --> 02:51:43.030
It is simply a lie that the Adventist
Church lost its organization prior to

02:51:43.030 --> 02:51:45.550
World War II because of internal problems,
as you assert.

02:51:46.030 --> 02:51:47.890
Did you not read the Gulag Archipelago?

02:51:47.970 --> 02:51:49.330
That was by Solzhenitsyn.

02:51:49.770 --> 02:51:53.550
It is not permissible to write about
Adventism without having read Ellen White.

02:51:53.930 --> 02:51:57.310
It is not permissible to write about
Russia without having read Solzhenitsyn.

02:51:57.850 --> 02:52:01.610
Don't you know that Stalin killed millions
of Orthodox Protestants, Adventists,

02:52:01.710 --> 02:52:03.550
and Jews, and that he destroyed church
buildings?

02:52:04.090 --> 02:52:06.470
Where are the buildings the Adventist
Church has owned before?

02:52:06.950 --> 02:52:10.410
The Adventist Church in Moscow must gather
now with the Baptists in a building which

02:52:10.410 --> 02:52:12.210
belonged formerly to the Reformed Church.

02:52:12.710 --> 02:52:17.470
Its pastor and all the congregation simply
disappeared under Stalin's terror.

02:52:18.010 --> 02:52:22.230
You praise the Russian Adventist leader,
Kulikov, for urging cooperation with the

02:52:22.230 --> 02:52:23.050
government authorities.

02:52:23.370 --> 02:52:24.530
This was 12 years ago now.

02:52:25.090 --> 02:52:26.150
These are Marxists.

02:52:26.650 --> 02:52:30.530
Marx wrote in the Communist Manifesto that
his aim is to abolish all religion and

02:52:30.530 --> 02:52:30.910
morals.

02:52:31.450 --> 02:52:33.510
At what can Christians cooperate with
them?

02:52:34.090 --> 02:52:38.050
It was not the endeavors of Kulikov which
sparked the reunification of your church.

02:52:38.470 --> 02:52:43.090
It was the fact that the KGB put in jail
every Adventist who dared to say we do not

02:52:43.090 --> 02:52:44.950
collaborate with God-hating Communists.

02:52:45.390 --> 02:52:48.430
On which side would Ellen White,
the author of the Great Controversy,

02:52:48.470 --> 02:52:48.830
have been?

02:52:49.350 --> 02:52:53.030
It is a shame that your General Conference
supports the Russian Adventist preachers

02:52:53.030 --> 02:52:54.790
who have become stooges of Communists.

02:52:55.370 --> 02:52:58.330
The founder of Adventism, Ellen White,
sided with Christians who worked

02:52:58.330 --> 02:53:00.050
underground against the papacy.

02:53:02.370 --> 02:53:05.370
And then he tells some very interesting
things.

02:53:06.150 --> 02:53:09.830
The story of betrayal of Adventists by its
leadership is old.

02:53:10.330 --> 02:53:13.430
I remember the German Adventist leadership
shouting Heil Hitler.

02:53:13.430 --> 02:53:18.370
The General Conference collaborated with
them while true Adventists filled jails

02:53:18.370 --> 02:53:18.990
under Hitler.

02:53:19.490 --> 02:53:20.590
And some of them were beheaded.

02:53:21.210 --> 02:53:24.950
I attended an Adventist Congress in
Romania in which the dictator King Charles

02:53:24.950 --> 02:53:26.130
II was praised.

02:53:26.770 --> 02:53:28.670
Many Adventists were in jail at that time.

02:53:29.110 --> 02:53:32.610
The Adventist leadership of Romania today
also praises the Communist government.

02:53:33.210 --> 02:53:36.930
I was at the same time in jail with many
Adventist official and underground beaten

02:53:36.930 --> 02:53:40.150
to the blood because they refused to work
on Saturdays.

02:53:40.630 --> 02:53:43.850
In jail they ate almost nothing,
fearing there might be some pork in the

02:53:43.850 --> 02:53:44.230
food.

02:53:44.750 --> 02:53:47.970
In times when we got one slice of bread a
day, they gave tithe.

02:53:48.490 --> 02:53:52.450
They renounced to this bit of bread in
favor of somebody who was older,

02:53:52.950 --> 02:53:54.170
sick, or weaker.

02:53:55.070 --> 02:53:57.170
Wherever you are, you are meant to seek
Jesus.

02:53:57.410 --> 02:53:59.210
Jesus has given his address in Russia.

02:53:59.350 --> 02:54:01.170
I was in jail and you visited me not.

02:54:02.310 --> 02:54:05.910
Ellen White prophesied that there will be
a great persecution of Sabbath keepers in

02:54:05.910 --> 02:54:06.290
the USA.

02:54:07.010 --> 02:54:08.210
Suppose this will happen.

02:54:08.410 --> 02:54:12.070
Will you be on the side of the Adventists,
loyal to their faith, who will worship

02:54:12.070 --> 02:54:16.730
underground, or will you collaborate with
the persecutors as your kin does in

02:54:16.730 --> 02:54:17.030
Russia?

02:54:17.910 --> 02:54:23.430
John, I'd like to discuss another
dimension of what is happening in

02:54:23.430 --> 02:54:24.370
Adventism today.

02:54:24.490 --> 02:54:28.650
We're finding a whole new language being
introduced into Adventism.

02:54:28.730 --> 02:54:29.630
Have you noticed that?

02:54:29.650 --> 02:54:32.850
New term, new phraseology, new... yes.

02:54:33.530 --> 02:54:38.750
And this is very significant because
philosophers in recent recent years have

02:54:38.750 --> 02:54:45.590
felt that the use of language is one of
the key things to understanding what a

02:54:45.590 --> 02:54:47.510
person's philosophy really is.

02:54:48.150 --> 02:54:51.670
And Nietzsche, a philosopher we're going
to be talking about in a moment,

02:54:52.110 --> 02:54:58.430
said that the acceptance of his philosophy
would come through the use of the terms.

02:54:58.830 --> 02:55:03.630
Well, you've mentioned that in other parts
of Jesuit agenda.

02:55:03.970 --> 02:55:07.150
For instance, we've talked about
celebration, that's old hat, but we've

02:55:07.150 --> 02:55:09.790
talked about genesis and everything
having...

02:55:09.790 --> 02:55:14.790
everything having the word genesis in it
and how these terms are being used to

02:55:14.790 --> 02:55:18.570
indoctrinate our people into a whole new
scope.

02:55:18.910 --> 02:55:19.370
Way of thinking.

02:55:19.650 --> 02:55:20.850
A whole new world view.

02:55:21.830 --> 02:55:24.890
And this is well recognized in the field
of philosophy.

02:55:25.050 --> 02:55:29.650
Incidentally, the Jesuits consider
philosophy to be one of their main weapons

02:55:29.650 --> 02:55:30.670
that they use.

02:55:31.610 --> 02:55:35.410
And it's something that we haven't given a
whole lot of attention to in Adventist

02:55:35.410 --> 02:55:36.070
education.

02:55:37.370 --> 02:55:43.970
We have not said much or thought much
about philosophy, but in other circles in

02:55:43.970 --> 02:55:49.050
the world, such as in Jesuit education,
philosophy is at the top of the curriculum

02:55:49.550 --> 02:55:52.990
and considered to be very important for
bringing about this intellectual

02:55:52.990 --> 02:55:53.790
conversion.

02:55:54.910 --> 02:55:58.870
And so these terms like caring,
we mentioned the caring church,

02:55:59.670 --> 02:56:01.570
values, self-esteem...

02:56:01.570 --> 02:56:03.790
You hearing much about self-esteem?

02:56:04.610 --> 02:56:07.890
Now self-esteem, Ellen White said,
is a poisonous weed.

02:56:08.230 --> 02:56:10.610
It is something that has to be completely
uprooted.

02:56:11.130 --> 02:56:16.690
And it cannot exist in the heart of the
person who has seen Calvary's cross.

02:56:17.350 --> 02:56:23.070
Self-esteem is absolutely devastating and
antithetical, the opposite of real

02:56:23.070 --> 02:56:23.630
Christianity.

02:56:24.570 --> 02:56:28.870
She says, it cannot flourish in hearts
that remember the scenes of Calvary in 2nd

02:56:28.870 --> 02:56:29.950
Testimonies 2-12.

02:56:29.950 --> 02:56:34.250
Christ puts to shame self-esteem,
Gospel Workers 330.

02:56:35.010 --> 02:56:39.130
It feels no need of union with Christ,
Christ Object Lessons 162.

02:56:39.490 --> 02:56:41.950
It must be overcome, 2T301.

02:56:42.930 --> 02:56:45.950
Self-esteem is not compatible with the
Spirit, 5T410.

02:56:47.210 --> 02:56:50.390
You will hate self-esteem when beholding
Christ, 1 S.M.

02:56:50.830 --> 02:56:51.450
388.

02:56:51.710 --> 02:56:56.150
So self-esteem is exactly the opposite of
the everlasting gospel.

02:56:56.370 --> 02:57:01.490
And yet it's coming through our our
papers, our periodicals, it's in the

02:57:01.490 --> 02:57:02.150
workshops.

02:57:02.270 --> 02:57:04.470
Self-help, pull yourself up by your own
bootstraps.

02:57:05.090 --> 02:57:09.230
And so the question once again is,
where did all of this come from?

02:57:09.410 --> 02:57:14.690
Caring, values, and values are a big
thing.

02:57:14.770 --> 02:57:19.050
In the world we have value clarification
classes in education.

02:57:20.610 --> 02:57:23.910
Values is a big term along with caring.

02:57:24.670 --> 02:57:30.370
And the idea about values came from
Friedrich Nietzsche.

02:57:30.670 --> 02:57:32.170
And I have a couple of his books here.

02:57:33.110 --> 02:57:38.650
Beyond Good and Evil, Prelude to a
Philosophy of the Future, and The Will to

02:57:38.650 --> 02:57:39.050
Power.

02:57:39.630 --> 02:57:44.410
Now Nietzsche was born in 1844
interestingly, and died in 1900.

02:57:45.310 --> 02:57:51.570
And Nietzsche taught that we have reached
the point now where we are beyond good and

02:57:51.570 --> 02:57:51.830
evil.

02:57:52.210 --> 02:57:57.510
Beyond absolutes of good and evil,
and the person has to set up their own

02:57:57.510 --> 02:57:58.170
values.

02:57:58.590 --> 02:58:03.330
Now this is what the serpent said to Eve
in the Garden of Eden in Genesis chapter

02:58:03.330 --> 02:58:03.690
3.

02:58:04.090 --> 02:58:07.930
Ye shall be as gods, knowing good and
evil.

02:58:08.050 --> 02:58:11.810
In other words, you will set up your own
norm for what is good and evil.

02:58:11.930 --> 02:58:13.910
And this is what Nietzsche taught.

02:58:14.750 --> 02:58:20.410
And then because the sovereignty of God is
destroyed by this whole system,

02:58:20.510 --> 02:58:22.310
and Nietzsche was the one who said God is
dead.

02:58:22.750 --> 02:58:26.470
And what he meant by that is that God
isn't hearing anymore, he's not

02:58:26.470 --> 02:58:30.930
interacting with human life anymore,
and for all practical purposes he is dead.

02:58:31.430 --> 02:58:34.230
Nietzsche was one of these occult
philosophers.

02:58:34.990 --> 02:58:41.930
And so since God is dead, and his
sovereignty is gone, therefore the will to

02:58:41.930 --> 02:58:43.890
power is what man needs.

02:58:44.170 --> 02:58:46.210
And he taught the concept of Superman.

02:58:47.290 --> 02:58:53.350
Now we have had the children in America
raised on Superman type programs now for

02:58:53.350 --> 02:58:53.890
decades.

02:58:54.030 --> 02:58:56.290
Where did that idea of Superman come from?

02:58:56.870 --> 02:58:59.710
But Nietzsche was the one who talked about
Superman.

02:59:00.270 --> 02:59:05.130
And the idea that some people are born to
be superior, they are to be the Superman,

02:59:05.370 --> 02:59:07.570
and they are to control the others.

02:59:08.050 --> 02:59:13.850
Well, it just so happens that in Germany,
in the days just before Hitler took over,

02:59:14.530 --> 02:59:18.370
we had the hippie experience among the
German youth.

02:59:18.470 --> 02:59:20.610
We've talked about that in previous Jesuit
agendas.

02:59:21.630 --> 02:59:25.790
And these hippies, they were called the
birds of passage.

02:59:26.590 --> 02:59:28.050
They were the wandervogel.

02:59:28.510 --> 02:59:30.950
They dressed up in colorful garb.

02:59:31.050 --> 02:59:32.970
They were middle class kids.

02:59:33.370 --> 02:59:34.950
And they wandered all over Germany.

02:59:35.470 --> 02:59:39.390
And they would go into the woods and build
a campfire and they'd sit around reading

02:59:39.390 --> 02:59:39.930
Nietzsche.

02:59:40.730 --> 02:59:45.590
Nietzsche was the big philosopher that was
shaping their thinking and their mind.

02:59:46.290 --> 02:59:52.330
Hitler valued Nietzsche so much that he
sent the complete works of Nietzsche to

02:59:52.330 --> 02:59:53.990
Mussolini as a gift.

02:59:55.150 --> 02:59:59.090
And so Hitler read Nietzsche and had
drunken in his philosophy.

02:59:59.590 --> 03:00:03.730
And this concept of the will to power was
very fundamental to Hitler.

03:00:04.370 --> 03:00:06.290
He wanted to have the dominant will.

03:00:06.870 --> 03:00:13.570
And he even produced a tremendous film of
Nazi propaganda, The Triumph of the Will.

03:00:13.570 --> 03:00:18.650
And he stressed this matter of the will
and the super race.

03:00:18.830 --> 03:00:23.350
Instead of Superman it was the super race,
the Aryan race that would dominate the

03:00:23.350 --> 03:00:24.110
rest of the world.

03:00:24.890 --> 03:00:32.350
Likewise in communism we have Trotsky in
the revolution talking about the super

03:00:32.350 --> 03:00:41.030
human being that would be created by the
communist system of social engineering.

03:00:41.030 --> 03:00:45.790
They would produce a superior super human
being.

03:00:46.570 --> 03:00:54.190
And so both communism and Nazism have a
common root in Nietzsche.

03:00:54.450 --> 03:00:56.910
One went left and one went right.

03:00:57.050 --> 03:00:59.790
Communists went to the left and the Nazis
went to the right.

03:00:59.870 --> 03:01:05.070
But notice both of them were socialistic
programs because Nazism is short for

03:01:05.070 --> 03:01:06.430
national socialism.

03:01:06.930 --> 03:01:08.690
They were both socialism.

03:01:08.690 --> 03:01:14.370
And in the Weimar Republic which was
present in Germany after World War I,

03:01:14.450 --> 03:01:21.310
between World War I and the takeover of
the Nazis the whole society became very

03:01:21.310 --> 03:01:22.330
amoral.

03:01:22.490 --> 03:01:24.530
Much of the German society became amoral.

03:01:25.150 --> 03:01:29.330
Plays that they wouldn't even show that
were so vile they would not show in Paris,

03:01:29.490 --> 03:01:29.890
in France.

03:01:30.230 --> 03:01:33.010
They showed in Berlin.

03:01:34.150 --> 03:01:38.470
And so the whole society was pushed hard
to the left wing.

03:01:39.470 --> 03:01:41.830
And then with Hitler it went hard to the
right.

03:01:42.150 --> 03:01:45.750
Now we are seeing a same type of thing
developing in America now.

03:01:45.930 --> 03:01:48.690
Left wing movements and right wing
movements.

03:01:49.210 --> 03:01:53.610
And as we noted in the last campaign you
had a number of Jesuits running.

03:01:53.750 --> 03:01:56.390
You had Jerry Brown who was Jesuit trained
in the left wing.

03:01:56.490 --> 03:01:59.170
You had Pat Buchanan on the right wing
covering that territory.

03:01:59.450 --> 03:02:02.250
And Bill Clinton in the middle,
Jesuit trained.

03:02:02.450 --> 03:02:07.030
So left wing, right wing and middle were
all but Bill Clinton's campaign was

03:02:07.030 --> 03:02:10.470
premised on the idea of appealing to all
the interest groups.

03:02:10.570 --> 03:02:13.210
And he's already pushing things hard to
the left.

03:02:13.430 --> 03:02:18.090
Now we, you know, he's already reneged on
his promises regarding taxes.

03:02:18.830 --> 03:02:22.450
And he is pushing this homosexual issue.

03:02:22.790 --> 03:02:25.350
And so he's pushing things hard to the
left.

03:02:25.470 --> 03:02:33.190
I remember one of the inaugural balls they
showed him playing his saxophone with jazz

03:02:33.190 --> 03:02:34.750
and rock type groups.

03:02:34.970 --> 03:02:36.250
With sunglasses on.

03:02:36.530 --> 03:02:36.770
Yes!

03:02:36.930 --> 03:02:39.490
And I thought, what kind of a president?

03:02:39.630 --> 03:02:41.250
What are we into now?

03:02:41.490 --> 03:02:45.570
What is behind this man that makes him
this way?

03:02:45.630 --> 03:02:47.770
But see, this is what happened in the
Weimar Republic.

03:02:47.950 --> 03:02:51.590
And then before long there was violence in
the streets.

03:02:52.390 --> 03:02:57.410
And the communists the Spartacists were
trying to take over Munich and various

03:02:57.410 --> 03:02:59.390
other cities in Germany.

03:02:59.670 --> 03:03:02.410
And the Free Corps came and fought them in
the streets.

03:03:02.550 --> 03:03:04.330
And the Free Corps was recruited.

03:03:04.850 --> 03:03:05.810
They were the right wingers.

03:03:05.910 --> 03:03:10.970
They were recruited largely from these
Nietzsche reading Wandervogel hippies.

03:03:11.570 --> 03:03:21.670
And they became the hardened shock troops,
if you please, of Hitler's machinations

03:03:21.670 --> 03:03:23.270
and his organizations.

03:03:24.090 --> 03:03:28.330
But what is so interesting, John,
is that Professor Alan Bloom, and we've

03:03:28.330 --> 03:03:31.970
referred to this often and I want to look
at a new dimension of his book Closing of

03:03:31.970 --> 03:03:34.030
the American Mind.

03:03:34.250 --> 03:03:38.410
How higher education has failed democracy
and impoverished the souls of today's

03:03:38.410 --> 03:03:38.670
students.

03:03:39.070 --> 03:03:41.970
This is a very large selling book.

03:03:42.370 --> 03:03:45.610
It went into paperback and it sold widely
across America.

03:03:46.830 --> 03:03:49.910
He has a chapter in here entitled The
German Connection.

03:03:50.110 --> 03:03:52.110
And we quote from it in Freedom's Ring.

03:03:52.590 --> 03:04:01.310
And in this chapter, he tells us how when
Hitler came to power, many professors that

03:04:01.310 --> 03:04:06.550
had been in Germany, who had been teaching
these concepts of Nietzsche, fled from

03:04:06.550 --> 03:04:11.710
Germany and came over here to America and
got posts in our universities.

03:04:12.110 --> 03:04:15.250
And they began, kept on teaching the same
thing.

03:04:15.870 --> 03:04:24.650
And they taught this value relativism,
this caring terminology.

03:04:24.650 --> 03:04:29.370
They taught the idea of being beyond good
and evil.

03:04:30.070 --> 03:04:33.430
And the subjectivity of all belief about
good and evil.

03:04:34.330 --> 03:04:39.070
And this has permeated now through our
whole educational system in America for

03:04:39.070 --> 03:04:40.310
the last 50 years.

03:04:40.650 --> 03:04:45.070
Until we have a situation which Alan Bloom
tells us in the beginning of his book that

03:04:45.070 --> 03:04:52.610
every student coming into class in the
university believes that truth is

03:04:52.610 --> 03:04:52.990
relative.

03:04:52.990 --> 03:04:55.690
And this has taken hold in Adventism.

03:04:56.170 --> 03:04:57.330
Right and wrong is relative.

03:04:57.990 --> 03:04:58.370
Yes.

03:04:58.750 --> 03:05:01.710
It's the same kind of thing as what
happened in Russia that you were

03:05:01.710 --> 03:05:02.310
describing about.

03:05:02.490 --> 03:05:02.490
Absolutely.

03:05:02.490 --> 03:05:06.690
And it's happened in America, which was
once called the Righteous Empire.

03:05:07.010 --> 03:05:11.390
You know, the land where religion had
finally flourished to its ultimate degree.

03:05:11.510 --> 03:05:12.250
Bastion of religious...

03:05:12.250 --> 03:05:14.770
And the land that gave birth to Adventism.

03:05:14.910 --> 03:05:16.510
And now in our dormitories.

03:05:17.190 --> 03:05:25.070
An old friend of mine, an academy dean in
the men's dorm told me that now every

03:05:25.070 --> 03:05:29.390
student in the dorm, in his dorm believes
that truth is relative.

03:05:29.870 --> 03:05:31.950
So this is this relativity of truth.

03:05:32.230 --> 03:05:36.130
Remember we just talked about that earlier
in this video, that this was a concept

03:05:36.130 --> 03:05:37.910
that the Jesuits had.

03:05:38.090 --> 03:05:38.310
Absolutely.

03:05:38.710 --> 03:05:42.510
It undermined the idea of the absolutes of
good and evil.

03:05:42.670 --> 03:05:42.830
No more absolutes.

03:05:42.830 --> 03:05:44.170
And made truth relative.

03:05:44.630 --> 03:05:44.630
Right.

03:05:44.630 --> 03:05:53.550
Now Nietzsche is the most broadly based
philosophical concept that is abroad in

03:05:53.550 --> 03:05:54.330
America today.

03:05:54.410 --> 03:05:59.770
I didn't bring Richard Tarnas' book The
Passion of the Western Mind, but he has a

03:05:59.770 --> 03:06:05.950
chapter where he tells of how this
philosophy of Nietzsche and these concepts

03:06:05.950 --> 03:06:10.250
of Nietzsche are the philosophical pattern
of America today.

03:06:10.790 --> 03:06:13.230
And Alan Bloom concurs in that.

03:06:14.050 --> 03:06:23.100
So this value relativism has created a
situation in America now where the old

03:06:24.430 --> 03:06:29.510
concepts of good and evil, of right and
wrong, of the absolutes of the moral law

03:06:29.510 --> 03:06:32.750
have been destroyed in the minds of the
people.

03:06:33.070 --> 03:06:37.630
And the people are now prepared for a new
order of things.

03:06:37.690 --> 03:06:38.630
A new order of thinking.

03:06:39.030 --> 03:06:42.890
And you know it's interesting that Bill
Clinton has been talking about reinventing

03:06:43.650 --> 03:06:44.230
America.

03:06:44.830 --> 03:06:51.130
And when you know from a Catholic
standpoint what that means, the Jesuit

03:06:51.130 --> 03:06:55.350
Murray, and I don't think I have his book
with me this time, but we talked a little

03:06:55.350 --> 03:06:57.990
bit about him before, but we need to bring
this in here.

03:06:58.310 --> 03:07:02.870
The Jesuit Murray is not interested in
throwing out the Constitution,

03:07:03.330 --> 03:07:07.450
but he's interested in demonstrating that
the Constitution rests on Catholic

03:07:07.450 --> 03:07:09.290
principles of natural law.

03:07:10.030 --> 03:07:14.290
And so, see, this is a reinvention of the
Constitution, a reinvention of the

03:07:14.290 --> 03:07:16.930
interpretation of the Constitution,
you see.

03:07:17.410 --> 03:07:23.270
And so, it remains yet to be seen the full
implications of what is going to happen

03:07:23.270 --> 03:07:29.910
economically in our country and in the
field of law, but I was talking to an

03:07:29.910 --> 03:07:33.270
attorney friend of mine who's very
influential in our state.

03:07:33.410 --> 03:07:38.250
He'll go and plead the cause of religious
liberty at the state legislature,

03:07:38.910 --> 03:07:41.610
and he's a good friend of mine,
and I said to him, what do you think it

03:07:41.610 --> 03:07:45.110
means that Bill Clinton is our new
president?

03:07:45.310 --> 03:07:48.730
He said he views it in very grave terms.

03:07:49.110 --> 03:07:53.610
As far as individual freedoms go,
he says we're going to move in the

03:07:53.610 --> 03:07:59.110
direction of socialism so rapidly now with
Bill in charge there.

03:07:59.650 --> 03:08:05.750
And you notice in the Wall Street Journal,
for example, every day, in the headline

03:08:05.750 --> 03:08:12.370
news, in the section that deals with the
concise appraisal of developments that

03:08:12.370 --> 03:08:16.210
have happened in the last day,
right almost invariably at the top is a

03:08:16.210 --> 03:08:18.610
new dimension of Bill Clinton's economic
package.

03:08:18.750 --> 03:08:23.550
There is enormous work being done behind
the scenes to generate a whole new

03:08:23.550 --> 03:08:27.370
economic approach here in America,
and it's going to be very interesting to

03:08:27.370 --> 03:08:31.630
see what all of this develops into.

03:08:31.810 --> 03:08:37.590
Now, Alan Bloom tells us that it is most
amazing that the philosophies of Nietzsche

03:08:37.590 --> 03:08:43.410
gained control in America because
Nietzsche abhorred the whole way America

03:08:43.410 --> 03:08:43.770
functioned.

03:08:44.950 --> 03:08:51.210
He was a nationalist philosopher,
and he didn't relate at all to America.

03:08:51.370 --> 03:08:57.410
And how is it that Americans adopted the
philosophy that finally led to the rise of

03:08:57.410 --> 03:08:58.610
Nazism in Germany?

03:08:58.870 --> 03:09:03.730
With the destruction of absolutes gone,
then finally a man with the will to power,

03:09:03.850 --> 03:09:08.030
with a simple message of overmastering
will, became the Führer, the leader,

03:09:08.470 --> 03:09:13.390
and the people fell into line because they
did not have the alternative anymore in

03:09:13.390 --> 03:09:20.270
their philosophical and theological and
moral makeup to appeal to a sovereign God

03:09:20.270 --> 03:09:25.830
who is above all men who had absolutes
that were beyond what a government could

03:09:25.830 --> 03:09:26.830
impose upon them.

03:09:27.150 --> 03:09:30.830
And that, of course, is the basis of
liberty, the authority of God.

03:09:30.870 --> 03:09:34.390
Like we said at the beginning,
if we don't have that authority of God,

03:09:34.470 --> 03:09:36.190
we lose human liberty.

03:09:36.670 --> 03:09:38.850
And we are in that process now in America.

03:09:40.150 --> 03:09:46.290
Freud was a major advocate of concepts
similar to Nietzsche.

03:09:46.370 --> 03:09:47.430
He built on Nietzsche.

03:09:48.110 --> 03:09:53.710
And I was amazed when I was involved in
teaching and I was serving as an acting

03:09:53.710 --> 03:09:59.130
academic dean at a college, we had a
seminary professor come in to the college

03:09:59.130 --> 03:10:05.970
and we were supposed to examine him that
day as to his fitness for being our next

03:10:05.970 --> 03:10:06.770
academic dean.

03:10:06.870 --> 03:10:10.450
I was just acting dean in an interlude
there for about two years or so.

03:10:11.570 --> 03:10:13.410
And this man was from the seminary.

03:10:13.770 --> 03:10:15.810
He was a professor of church growth.

03:10:16.590 --> 03:10:17.570
And he brought his materials...

03:10:18.130 --> 03:10:19.070
Had he been to Fuller?

03:10:20.050 --> 03:10:21.010
I don't know.

03:10:21.590 --> 03:10:24.750
But he brought his materials and as I
opened them up I was appalled.

03:10:25.690 --> 03:10:27.050
Freudian psychology all through.

03:10:27.130 --> 03:10:31.750
And he wanted to make all of the members
of churches little miniature counselors

03:10:31.750 --> 03:10:37.610
based on Freudian psychology and various
schools of psychology.

03:10:38.430 --> 03:10:41.370
And so I really examined him in front of
the staff.

03:10:41.870 --> 03:10:47.710
And at the end of the day they concluded
that he would not work as a new academic

03:10:47.710 --> 03:10:48.150
dean.

03:10:48.510 --> 03:10:51.370
But this points out for us something very
significant.

03:10:52.030 --> 03:11:01.410
That Nietzsche's ideas of value relativism
and the new language of caring and values

03:11:01.410 --> 03:11:06.670
and identity and fulfillment and
relationships.

03:11:07.830 --> 03:11:11.810
These ideas were picked up by psychology
here in America.

03:11:12.270 --> 03:11:18.030
And then the church growth movement picked
it up to help assist in church growth.

03:11:18.550 --> 03:11:21.650
And the caring church takes it over from
the church growth movement.

03:11:22.210 --> 03:11:26.150
But someone has to ask the question,
where did it all come from?

03:11:26.670 --> 03:11:28.230
What are the roots of the whole thing?

03:11:28.310 --> 03:11:29.190
And that's what Alan Bloom asked here.

03:11:29.190 --> 03:11:31.230
This is what our people don't ask.

03:11:31.570 --> 03:11:36.670
They just think that this was just some
idea that some general conference leader

03:11:36.670 --> 03:11:37.050
had.

03:11:37.110 --> 03:11:38.630
It must have started in the general
conference.

03:11:38.730 --> 03:11:42.490
And they have no idea that the stuff,
that the place where these general

03:11:42.490 --> 03:11:45.470
conference leaders and these conference
leaders got this stuff, and if they could

03:11:45.470 --> 03:11:48.730
just trace it back and realize it,
it comes right out of Jesuit thought.

03:11:49.010 --> 03:11:53.030
And you see, this is the reason that these
videos that we are producing are just

03:11:53.030 --> 03:11:56.390
absolutely blowing the minds of our
historic Adventist people around the

03:11:56.390 --> 03:11:56.590
world.

03:11:56.930 --> 03:12:00.290
Bob, I really don't think you and I have
any idea, until maybe the millennium,

03:12:00.610 --> 03:12:07.330
of the extent that our videos have played
in happenings within Adventism,

03:12:07.410 --> 03:12:11.170
how people are getting their eyes open,
and people are standing up for the truth,

03:12:11.330 --> 03:12:15.250
because they're realizing the research
that you have done, where all this stuff

03:12:15.250 --> 03:12:16.150
is coming from.

03:12:17.070 --> 03:12:20.390
Bob, I hate to say it, but our Adventist
people are so gullible.

03:12:20.590 --> 03:12:21.010
That's right.

03:12:21.070 --> 03:12:22.290
They are so gullible.

03:12:22.290 --> 03:12:26.670
They just go like lambs to the slaughter,
and the blind leading the blind,

03:12:26.730 --> 03:12:30.670
and they are both falling into the ditch,
and they have no idea where all this stuff

03:12:30.670 --> 03:12:34.290
that is being inculcated into the Church
came from.

03:12:34.430 --> 03:12:34.670
That's right.

03:12:35.290 --> 03:12:35.590
That's right.

03:12:35.650 --> 03:12:40.730
Alan Bloom tells us, and I'm quoting now
from a quote of his on page 18 of

03:12:40.730 --> 03:12:46.270
Freedom's Ring in the January-February
issue, that the most important and most

03:12:46.270 --> 03:12:52.030
astonishing phenomenon of our time,
all the more astonishing in being almost

03:12:52.030 --> 03:12:56.230
unnoticed, is that there is now an
entirely new language of good and evil,

03:12:56.810 --> 03:13:00.810
originating in an attempt to get beyond
good and evil, and preventing us from

03:13:00.810 --> 03:13:03.390
talking with any conviction about good and
evil anymore.

03:13:03.830 --> 03:13:08.510
Even those who deplore our current moral
condition do so in the very language that

03:13:08.510 --> 03:13:10.230
exemplifies this condition.

03:13:10.750 --> 03:13:14.010
The new language is that of value
relativism.

03:13:14.510 --> 03:13:19.990
And it constitutes a change in our view of
things moral and political as great as the

03:13:19.990 --> 03:13:23.950
one that took place when Christianity
replaced Greek and Roman paganism.

03:13:24.230 --> 03:13:27.030
So we're looking at a titanic shift now.

03:13:27.490 --> 03:13:30.850
And this new language is evidence of this
shift.

03:13:30.990 --> 03:13:34.810
A titanic shift that is as great as when
Christianity replaced paganism.

03:13:34.890 --> 03:13:39.730
There's whole new words being used in our
Church today that people have never heard

03:13:39.730 --> 03:13:40.150
before.

03:13:40.550 --> 03:13:41.450
And they just...

03:13:42.010 --> 03:13:44.050
they just go along with it, Bob.

03:13:44.210 --> 03:13:44.530
That's right.

03:13:45.270 --> 03:13:50.470
A new language always reflects a new point
of view and the gradual unconscious

03:13:50.470 --> 03:13:56.350
popularization of new words or of old
words used in new ways is a sure sign of a

03:13:56.350 --> 03:13:59.610
profound change in people's articulation
of the world.

03:13:59.630 --> 03:14:00.610
It's a sure sign.

03:14:00.690 --> 03:14:00.710
Yeah.

03:14:01.330 --> 03:14:08.730
Now, remember that what Catholicism is
interested in doing is bringing about a

03:14:08.730 --> 03:14:10.090
cultural change.

03:14:10.150 --> 03:14:10.990
And that is exactly what's happening.

03:14:10.990 --> 03:14:13.770
We are in the midst of a massive cultural
change.

03:14:13.830 --> 03:14:13.830
How are we ever?

03:14:13.830 --> 03:14:20.530
I'm 41 years old and I have never seen
such a cultural change in all my 41 years

03:14:20.530 --> 03:14:23.790
as I have seen in the last 2 or 3 years.

03:14:24.030 --> 03:14:26.070
In the 7th Avenue structure.

03:14:26.310 --> 03:14:28.470
I mean, it's unbelievable the change.

03:14:28.950 --> 03:14:32.250
And the majority of our people are going
right along with it.

03:14:32.330 --> 03:14:33.230
It's what is so...

03:14:33.770 --> 03:14:35.990
That's the reason I'm hollering my head
off.

03:14:36.870 --> 03:14:42.590
Because I see our people going along with
this stuff and nobody is having the

03:14:42.590 --> 03:14:44.530
courage to stand up and say, Hey!

03:14:44.670 --> 03:14:45.810
Wait just a minute!

03:14:46.370 --> 03:14:47.630
Why are we doing this?

03:14:47.730 --> 03:14:48.770
Why is this happening?

03:14:49.270 --> 03:14:53.250
You know, blowing the whistle on these
guys and say, Where is this coming from?

03:14:53.330 --> 03:14:54.310
Why are we doing this?

03:14:54.630 --> 03:14:59.990
And because we have been raised as
Adventists in the philosophy that if our

03:14:59.990 --> 03:15:04.450
leadership says it's okay and the
conference sprinkles holy water on it and

03:15:04.450 --> 03:15:06.950
blesses it, that it's got to be okay.

03:15:07.430 --> 03:15:07.630
That's right.

03:15:07.810 --> 03:15:12.070
That they are the voice of God and if they
say that black is white and white is

03:15:12.070 --> 03:15:13.990
black, then that's the way it is.

03:15:14.510 --> 03:15:14.690
That's right.

03:15:15.150 --> 03:15:19.770
Because we have been raised in an
Adventist environment, dare I say it,

03:15:19.990 --> 03:15:23.470
of cadaver obedience.

03:15:24.090 --> 03:15:28.890
That if it comes out of the conference
office, it's got to be of God.

03:15:29.190 --> 03:15:29.490
That's right.

03:15:30.470 --> 03:15:33.150
Now, we hear about conflict resolution
today.

03:15:33.510 --> 03:15:37.710
Lead consultants has a whole course in it,
for example, and I have a friend who used

03:15:37.710 --> 03:15:42.830
to be in hypnotism, and he has told me
that that whole course is loaded with

03:15:42.830 --> 03:15:43.450
hypnotism.

03:15:44.190 --> 03:15:48.670
But notice, those who are interested in
conflict resolution, this is from Alan

03:15:48.670 --> 03:15:54.550
Bloom, and I'm reading from Freedom's Ring
now, page 19 of January-February of 93.

03:15:55.210 --> 03:15:58.810
Those who are interested in conflict
resolution find it much easier to reduce

03:15:58.810 --> 03:16:02.470
the tension between values than the
tension between good and evil.

03:16:02.510 --> 03:16:06.430
If you can get people off of believing in
the absolutes of good and evil,

03:16:06.510 --> 03:16:12.150
you see, that's the diabolical idea here,
and get them to erect a value system,

03:16:12.450 --> 03:16:15.950
then you can get them to just adjust that,
and then this other person adjusts it and

03:16:15.950 --> 03:16:18.370
they get closer and closer and closer and
closer.

03:16:18.550 --> 03:16:21.310
That's what we've done with the three
angels message.

03:16:21.710 --> 03:16:25.890
You know, we get off of it, and we have
invented a new gospel.

03:16:26.150 --> 03:16:26.490
That's right.

03:16:26.550 --> 03:16:27.150
It's a new gospel.

03:16:27.170 --> 03:16:29.270
You see, we have invented... Self-esteem.

03:16:29.410 --> 03:16:29.730
That's right.

03:16:29.790 --> 03:16:32.190
We have invented, in the Seventh-day
Adventist corporate structure,

03:16:32.250 --> 03:16:33.050
a new gospel.

03:16:33.050 --> 03:16:37.230
The three angels message is no longer the
everlasting gospel.

03:16:37.510 --> 03:16:41.430
We have invented, the conference has
invented a new gospel now, and held it out

03:16:41.430 --> 03:16:44.050
to our people to say, this is the gospel.

03:16:44.370 --> 03:16:49.390
You know, the stuff that you hear on It Is
Written and our programs, the stuff that

03:16:49.390 --> 03:16:52.190
you're reading in our periodicals,
the stuff you're reading from Morris

03:16:52.190 --> 03:16:52.610
Vendin.

03:16:52.950 --> 03:16:54.570
This is the new gospel.

03:16:54.930 --> 03:16:58.010
Well, you know, you don't hear anything
about the three angels message anymore.

03:16:59.010 --> 03:17:03.850
Because we have concocted a new gospel and
said, you know, don't pay any attention to

03:17:03.850 --> 03:17:07.350
what these fanatics, these lunatic friends
are saying.

03:17:07.690 --> 03:17:09.510
You know, this is the gospel now.

03:17:09.610 --> 03:17:11.310
You know, just love, love, love.

03:17:11.390 --> 03:17:12.430
This is the new gospel.

03:17:12.630 --> 03:17:12.830
That's right.

03:17:13.010 --> 03:17:14.330
And our people have just swallowed it.

03:17:14.710 --> 03:17:16.890
Values, identity, caring.

03:17:17.350 --> 03:17:23.030
Oh, caring and dealing with social issues,
you know, on AIDS and premarital sex and

03:17:23.030 --> 03:17:28.190
stress, you know, and the environment,
and the trips to Israel, you know,

03:17:28.310 --> 03:17:29.690
and getting to know Jesus.

03:17:29.930 --> 03:17:33.410
You know, listen, that is not the gospel.

03:17:33.830 --> 03:17:34.030
That's right.

03:17:34.210 --> 03:17:34.630
That's right.

03:17:35.010 --> 03:17:39.630
And see, this is the part of what this
caring business is all about.

03:17:39.750 --> 03:17:44.610
It's not really caring about you
personally, but it's caring about some

03:17:44.610 --> 03:17:45.010
issue.

03:17:45.270 --> 03:17:45.530
Oh, yes.

03:17:45.910 --> 03:17:48.150
Abortion or anti-abortion or environment.

03:17:48.970 --> 03:17:48.970
Pornography.

03:17:49.450 --> 03:17:54.030
Or, you know, gay rights and on and on and
on and on, you know.

03:17:54.530 --> 03:18:00.750
And this is part of what caring means in
this generation.

03:18:01.110 --> 03:18:07.590
For instance, you know, Hillary Clinton is
really big on all these kind of issues.

03:18:07.730 --> 03:18:09.390
Children's issues or this issue.

03:18:09.570 --> 03:18:13.750
And this is part of the phenomenon of what
happens when people get involved in value

03:18:13.750 --> 03:18:14.410
relativism.

03:18:14.790 --> 03:18:20.110
Because having given up the values of good
or the truths, the absolutes of good and

03:18:20.110 --> 03:18:24.630
evil, and establishing their own values,
then they know that if they're prepared to

03:18:24.630 --> 03:18:28.910
even die for this cause, you know,
the environment or whatever, the Green

03:18:28.910 --> 03:18:31.650
Peace people or whatever, that's looked
upon as being very noble.

03:18:31.830 --> 03:18:32.370
You're committed.

03:18:32.730 --> 03:18:33.810
You're concerned.

03:18:34.290 --> 03:18:36.050
You're a caring person, you see.

03:18:36.090 --> 03:18:41.390
And what do they propagate in the
Adventist Review and on this video online?

03:18:41.770 --> 03:18:45.730
You know, how the people are so dedicated
to building this float for the Rose

03:18:45.730 --> 03:18:46.070
Parade.

03:18:46.070 --> 03:18:46.470
Yes, that's it.

03:18:46.550 --> 03:18:47.950
Oh, give me a break!

03:18:48.070 --> 03:18:51.990
Building a float for the Rose Parade and
showing the dedication of such people.

03:18:52.050 --> 03:18:55.790
They will give their hard-earned money and
come out at 4 o'clock in the morning.

03:18:56.130 --> 03:18:59.230
And oh, how exciting it is to build this
float for the Rose Parade.

03:18:59.590 --> 03:19:03.150
You know, we have totally lost our vision
as a people.

03:19:03.510 --> 03:19:04.370
What was the float about?

03:19:04.510 --> 03:19:05.510
The environment, wasn't it?

03:19:05.530 --> 03:19:05.890
Totally!

03:19:06.230 --> 03:19:06.590
Caring for nature.

03:19:06.710 --> 03:19:09.470
It was about the environment, having these
little creatures dancing and doing all

03:19:09.470 --> 03:19:10.170
this stuff on Advent.

03:19:10.530 --> 03:19:13.310
You know, and that's all it is,
is the environment.

03:19:13.610 --> 03:19:17.230
You know, they have totally lost the
concept of preaching our three angels'

03:19:17.390 --> 03:19:17.890
message to the world.

03:19:18.070 --> 03:19:23.850
All we want to do is do public relations
and get our name and have everybody like

03:19:23.850 --> 03:19:24.130
us.

03:19:24.670 --> 03:19:28.470
Well, you know, another factor too,
John, is in the internationalist,

03:19:28.550 --> 03:19:33.810
globalist movement, there is a slogan,
Think Globally, Act Locally.

03:19:33.930 --> 03:19:36.350
And that slogan has been used now by our
Church.

03:19:36.390 --> 03:19:36.790
Absolutely.

03:19:37.010 --> 03:19:39.610
They're taking the globalist slogans and
importing them.

03:19:39.870 --> 03:19:42.910
They're taking the language of value
relativism and importing it.

03:19:43.170 --> 03:19:45.990
And along with it comes the whole
philosophy, the whole baggage,

03:19:46.110 --> 03:19:49.610
the whole shift into value relativism.

03:19:49.750 --> 03:19:55.970
And see, a people that has come to accept
the idea that truth is relative,

03:19:56.130 --> 03:19:58.770
they are vulnerable for human control
then.

03:19:58.990 --> 03:20:02.970
And this whole thing is setting the world
up for the papal New World Order,

03:20:03.110 --> 03:20:10.210
where the natural law of the Roman
Catholic Church will be imposed around the

03:20:10.210 --> 03:20:12.510
world, and the National Sunday Law
imposed.

03:20:13.170 --> 03:20:17.370
The term value, meaning the radical
subjectivity of all belief about good and

03:20:17.370 --> 03:20:21.130
evil, serves the easy-going quest for
comfortable self-preservation.

03:20:21.610 --> 03:20:24.310
And you know what the gospel teaches.

03:20:25.070 --> 03:20:30.610
The very substance, Ellen White says,
of the gospel is self-surrender.

03:20:31.190 --> 03:20:38.990
You see, the true biblical Adventist has a
self-surrender that means the abnegation,

03:20:39.250 --> 03:20:41.470
the crucifixion of self.

03:20:41.590 --> 03:20:43.270
I am crucified with Christ.

03:20:43.690 --> 03:20:46.630
Nevertheless I live, yet not I,
but Christ lives within me.

03:20:46.690 --> 03:20:50.330
In the life which I now live in the flesh,
I live by the faith of the Son of God,

03:20:50.390 --> 03:20:52.010
who loved me and gave himself for me.

03:20:52.610 --> 03:20:57.290
Self is crucified, but with this new
gospel of the church growth movement,

03:20:57.350 --> 03:21:00.890
of the caring church, self-esteem is
glorified.

03:21:01.170 --> 03:21:02.690
And so self is alive.

03:21:03.210 --> 03:21:08.850
And therefore the most diabolical
unleashing of the self, which occurred for

03:21:08.850 --> 03:21:13.990
instance in Nazi Germany, is the people
are being set up for this.

03:21:14.270 --> 03:21:20.170
Because when self is alive, the soul is
under the control of another power.

03:21:20.350 --> 03:21:21.690
Under the control of Satan.

03:21:21.770 --> 03:21:23.890
It is not the everlasting gospel.

03:21:24.450 --> 03:21:26.550
It is a false gospel.

03:21:26.910 --> 03:21:29.350
And that is exactly what is being
manifested in the corporate structure

03:21:29.350 --> 03:21:31.250
today, is a false gospel.

03:21:31.750 --> 03:21:33.210
And our people are false.

03:21:33.250 --> 03:21:38.850
Because you see, the carnal mind loves it
because self stays on the throne.

03:21:39.310 --> 03:21:43.910
You can continue to sin, self stays on the
throne, but yet you have fooled yourself

03:21:43.910 --> 03:21:45.570
into believing that you have accepted the
gospel.

03:21:45.910 --> 03:21:48.450
You are on your way to heaven and you are
just staying with the corporate structure.

03:21:48.510 --> 03:21:49.330
The ship is going through.

03:21:49.530 --> 03:21:51.810
You are going through with the corporate
structure and that is it.

03:21:51.970 --> 03:21:53.290
But yet self stays on the throne.

03:21:53.390 --> 03:21:54.490
You can continue to sin.

03:21:54.670 --> 03:21:56.710
And the carnal mind loves it.

03:21:56.850 --> 03:21:57.230
That's right.

03:21:57.670 --> 03:22:03.370
And I really believe that this philosophy
of value relativism, this caring,

03:22:03.510 --> 03:22:08.410
fulfillment, identity, relationships,
encounter, business, is even more deadly

03:22:08.410 --> 03:22:09.250
than celebration.

03:22:09.250 --> 03:22:16.010
That is why you in the corporate structure
can preach anything you want to and get

03:22:16.010 --> 03:22:16.750
away with it.

03:22:16.830 --> 03:22:23.830
They'll love you, they'll promote you,
except total surrender of self and victory

03:22:23.830 --> 03:22:25.270
over all sin in this life.

03:22:25.570 --> 03:22:25.710
Exactly.

03:22:26.030 --> 03:22:30.170
And which is based on the correct doctrine
of the nature of Christ.

03:22:30.330 --> 03:22:34.650
When you teach the correct doctrine of the
nature of Christ, that his life was not

03:22:34.650 --> 03:22:36.330
our substitute but our example.

03:22:36.690 --> 03:22:40.030
And we are to let go of all sin,
get all sin out of our life and let the

03:22:40.030 --> 03:22:42.890
Lord Jesus Christ reign supreme and get
self off the throne.

03:22:43.070 --> 03:22:45.170
You can preach anything else except that.

03:22:45.270 --> 03:22:48.970
When you preach and teach that in the
Seventh-day Adventist corporate structure,

03:22:49.190 --> 03:22:52.170
you will be disfellowshipped.

03:22:52.510 --> 03:22:52.850
That's right.

03:22:53.450 --> 03:23:02.210
And this is this business of self-esteem,
which has become the new gospel,

03:23:02.910 --> 03:23:11.170
is and the value of relativism is such
that the one category of person that is

03:23:11.170 --> 03:23:15.530
intolerable is the person who still
believes in the absolutes of good and

03:23:15.530 --> 03:23:17.310
evil, the absolutes of God's law.

03:23:17.530 --> 03:23:18.530
That's intolerable.

03:23:18.830 --> 03:23:20.310
All of the other relativists are okay.

03:23:20.410 --> 03:23:26.710
In fact, this came out in an article in
the Adventist Review recently where one of

03:23:26.710 --> 03:23:31.670
the editors wrote an article in which he
said that we're going to see many rough

03:23:31.670 --> 03:23:32.930
waters in the church ahead.

03:23:32.930 --> 03:23:40.010
There will be debates and discussions
about the homosexuals and this issue about

03:23:40.010 --> 03:23:42.230
creation and evolution.

03:23:42.230 --> 03:23:43.090
What's there to debate?

03:23:43.490 --> 03:23:44.370
And all of that.

03:23:44.610 --> 03:23:49.330
But he said there's only one thing that
has the potential to tear this church

03:23:49.330 --> 03:23:50.210
apart in two.

03:23:50.310 --> 03:23:52.090
And he said that's the nature of Christ.

03:23:52.610 --> 03:23:52.730
Amen.

03:23:52.890 --> 03:23:55.870
And see, you hit the nail on the head
there, John.

03:23:56.050 --> 03:23:56.050
Amen.

03:23:56.050 --> 03:23:59.650
Because you see, when you have the correct
theology on the nature of Christ,

03:23:59.870 --> 03:24:03.710
it forces you to renounce sin and self.

03:24:03.990 --> 03:24:04.230
That's right.

03:24:04.510 --> 03:24:08.130
And you see, they will not, the carnal
heart, will not accept that.

03:24:08.190 --> 03:24:08.550
That's it.

03:24:08.750 --> 03:24:09.890
That is totally unacceptable.

03:24:09.990 --> 03:24:11.950
That is exactly at the heart of this
issue.

03:24:12.790 --> 03:24:17.390
Now, Alan Bloom says, and I'm reading from
page 19 here in Freedom's Ring again,

03:24:17.930 --> 03:24:22.070
this longing to shuck off constraints and
have one peaceful, happy world.

03:24:22.190 --> 03:24:23.530
Isn't that the motive of our time?

03:24:23.850 --> 03:24:28.630
Shuck off constraints, have one peaceful,
happy world is the first of the affinities

03:24:28.630 --> 03:24:33.030
between our real American world and that
of German philosophy in its most advanced

03:24:33.030 --> 03:24:33.370
form.

03:24:33.470 --> 03:24:37.050
And he's talking about German philosophy
that came over in the time of Hitler to

03:24:37.050 --> 03:24:38.690
our society here.

03:24:39.630 --> 03:24:42.850
There is a second side to this coin,
that is of value relativism.

03:24:43.310 --> 03:24:46.210
Persons deeply committed to values are
admired.

03:24:46.490 --> 03:24:50.550
Their intense belief, their caring or
concern, their believing in something is

03:24:50.550 --> 03:24:53.110
the proof of autonomy, freedom,
and creativity.

03:24:53.650 --> 03:24:59.670
And so see, this now, what happens with a
value relativistic society is it develops

03:24:59.670 --> 03:25:01.690
two basic kinds of people.

03:25:02.390 --> 03:25:07.930
It develops those who are fanatical about
caring about the environment or the

03:25:07.930 --> 03:25:11.910
spotted owl, or willing to lay their life
on the line for a spotted owl,

03:25:12.090 --> 03:25:16.690
you know, or whales, or this or that.

03:25:16.990 --> 03:25:18.430
They're deeply committed.

03:25:18.630 --> 03:25:22.530
I love the bumper sticker that the loggers
had on their trucks.

03:25:22.610 --> 03:25:27.510
It says I like my spotted owls fried in
eggs on oil.

03:25:27.730 --> 03:25:32.770
You know, they were willing, the
environmentalists, were willing to put the

03:25:32.770 --> 03:25:36.410
spotted owls ahead of people's lives.

03:25:36.630 --> 03:25:38.190
And that's what environmentalists will do.

03:25:38.470 --> 03:25:41.070
They will go out there and die for the
whales.

03:25:41.330 --> 03:25:47.050
You know, when you see Greenpeace out
there how they are willing to die to save

03:25:47.050 --> 03:25:47.610
a whale.

03:25:48.050 --> 03:25:49.290
I mean, they're unbelievable.

03:25:49.630 --> 03:25:54.510
I mean, the extent that these people will
go to to save the quote, environment.

03:25:54.650 --> 03:25:55.950
Now listen, it sounds good.

03:25:56.230 --> 03:25:59.130
It sounds noble and it sounds good.

03:25:59.230 --> 03:26:03.490
But when you realize what is behind all of
this, you see the sinister nature of it

03:26:03.490 --> 03:26:03.750
all.

03:26:03.970 --> 03:26:09.090
So value relativism produces this kind of
people who are rabidly and fanatically

03:26:09.090 --> 03:26:16.890
committed to some caring enterprise and
then it develops others that are just kind

03:26:16.890 --> 03:26:17.690
of passive.

03:26:18.470 --> 03:26:23.370
It leads in two opposite directions to
follow the line of least resistance and to

03:26:23.370 --> 03:26:25.850
adopt strong poses and fanatic
resolutions.

03:26:26.250 --> 03:26:27.350
And that's what happened in Germany.

03:26:27.990 --> 03:26:32.610
The fruitage of Nietzsche and value
relativism produced the Nazis that were

03:26:32.610 --> 03:26:36.710
committed to national socialism,
you know, and extermination of the Jews

03:26:36.710 --> 03:26:43.750
ultimately not initially, but it gradually
grew into that and fanatical dedication to

03:26:43.750 --> 03:26:49.910
the supremacy of Germany and then in the
rest of the camp of the Nazi society,

03:26:50.250 --> 03:26:53.050
the people followed the line of least
resistance.

03:26:53.730 --> 03:26:58.230
So it sets up a very dangerous situation,
value relativism.

03:27:00.310 --> 03:27:04.850
Now, Nietzsche called for a new right to
transcend capitalism and socialism.

03:27:05.050 --> 03:27:09.590
This is very much like what the Pope calls
for, something that will transcend

03:27:09.590 --> 03:27:16.370
capitalism and socialism and I have keys
of this blood here where Malachi Martin

03:27:16.370 --> 03:27:17.150
talks about that.

03:27:18.650 --> 03:27:24.270
The Pope wants something that will an
economic, a geopolitical structure that

03:27:24.270 --> 03:27:26.270
will transcend capitalism and socialism.

03:27:27.110 --> 03:27:33.090
So America then adopted Nietzsche's
philosophy and it became everyday fair in

03:27:33.090 --> 03:27:34.010
the United States.

03:27:34.370 --> 03:27:40.190
The therapies that the psychologists,
now when people have some kind of mental

03:27:40.190 --> 03:27:42.290
distress or problem, who do they go to
see?

03:27:42.390 --> 03:27:43.030
The psychologists.

03:27:43.150 --> 03:27:43.270
Sure.

03:27:43.570 --> 03:27:49.110
They go for the psychologists and they get
various forms of psychological treatment.

03:27:49.750 --> 03:27:53.910
And Alan Bloom, I'm reading here from page
21 in Freedom's Ring, he says,

03:27:54.070 --> 03:27:57.710
quote, "...in politics, in entertainment,
in religion, everywhere we find the

03:27:57.710 --> 03:28:00.950
language connected with Nietzsche's value
revolution.

03:28:02.030 --> 03:28:06.690
A language necessitated by a new
perspective on the things of most concern

03:28:06.690 --> 03:28:10.190
to us, words such as charisma,
lifestyle, commitment, identity,

03:28:10.530 --> 03:28:14.130
and many others, all of which can easily
be traced to Nietzsche, are now

03:28:14.130 --> 03:28:19.310
practically American slang, although they
and the other things to which they refer

03:28:19.310 --> 03:28:22.730
would have been incomprehensible to our
fathers, not to speak of our founding

03:28:22.730 --> 03:28:23.710
fathers." Go ahead, John.

03:28:23.730 --> 03:28:28.890
Bob, I think the thing that is,
I think the biggest surprise I'm having in

03:28:28.890 --> 03:28:36.970
this taping of Jesuit Agenda 4 is all the
things that you are saying that show that

03:28:36.970 --> 03:28:42.310
the things we are dealing with now in
America is what happened in Germany just

03:28:42.310 --> 03:28:43.150
before the Nazis.

03:28:43.390 --> 03:28:48.010
And you see, when you read the Spirit of
Prophecy and realize what's going to

03:28:48.010 --> 03:28:52.250
happen in America, it's going to resemble
what happened in Nazi Germany.

03:28:52.570 --> 03:28:57.250
And then to hear you going to all these
history books and credible sources showing

03:28:57.250 --> 03:29:02.630
how we are being set up in the same things
that happened in Germany, just before the

03:29:02.630 --> 03:29:05.110
Nazis took control, is what's happening in
America.

03:29:05.650 --> 03:29:06.910
It's just astounding.

03:29:07.290 --> 03:29:08.170
Yeah, it is.

03:29:08.170 --> 03:29:11.670
Now he tells of an experience he had to
illustrate this.

03:29:12.550 --> 03:29:13.430
This is Alan Bloom.

03:29:13.810 --> 03:29:17.790
A few years ago I chatted with a taxi
driver in Atlanta who told me he had just

03:29:17.790 --> 03:29:20.870
gotten out of prison where he had served
time for peddling dope.

03:29:21.430 --> 03:29:23.130
Happily, he had undergone therapy.

03:29:23.810 --> 03:29:24.890
I asked him what kind.

03:29:25.010 --> 03:29:26.290
He responded, all kinds.

03:29:26.430 --> 03:29:28.650
Depth psychology, transactional analysis.

03:29:29.010 --> 03:29:30.710
But what I liked best was Gestalt.

03:29:31.390 --> 03:29:35.010
Some of the German ideas did not even
require English words to become the

03:29:35.010 --> 03:29:35.890
language of the people.

03:29:35.890 --> 03:29:40.950
What an extraordinary thing it is that
high class talk from what was the peak of

03:29:40.950 --> 03:29:45.230
western intellectual life in Germany has
become as natural as chewing gum on

03:29:45.230 --> 03:29:46.070
American streets.

03:29:47.630 --> 03:29:54.090
If we repeat the history, if America
repeats the history of Nazi Germany,

03:29:55.330 --> 03:30:01.690
instead of being the Jews that are
persecuted and exterminated, it's going to

03:30:01.690 --> 03:30:03.810
be the Sabbatarians.

03:30:03.810 --> 03:30:04.730
Yes, of course.

03:30:05.350 --> 03:30:11.750
Do you know who was responsible for more
Jews being slaughtered than any other

03:30:11.750 --> 03:30:12.170
race?

03:30:12.970 --> 03:30:14.010
Fellow Jews.

03:30:14.990 --> 03:30:17.190
The Jews turned on their own.

03:30:18.210 --> 03:30:20.890
And turned them in to the Nazis.

03:30:22.830 --> 03:30:27.410
History tells us how that Jews would turn
on other Jews and turn them in to the

03:30:27.410 --> 03:30:29.050
Nazis to save their own skin.

03:30:29.330 --> 03:30:32.750
And that is exactly what Mrs. White said
would happen with Adventists, that they

03:30:32.750 --> 03:30:36.050
will turn on themselves and those that
have sat in the pews next to us will turn

03:30:36.050 --> 03:30:39.790
and be our worst enemies and be those that
turn us in to the Catholics.

03:30:40.050 --> 03:30:42.830
She says in the Spalding McGann
collection, I think it's page two.

03:30:43.870 --> 03:30:44.270
Unbelievable.

03:30:44.470 --> 03:30:48.470
Do you know what the first group was that
was put in the concentration camp at

03:30:48.470 --> 03:30:48.930
Dachau?

03:30:49.730 --> 03:30:50.350
It wasn't the Jews.

03:30:50.690 --> 03:30:51.130
The dissidents.

03:30:51.950 --> 03:30:52.930
They were the first ones to go.

03:30:52.950 --> 03:30:53.390
What are we called?

03:30:53.670 --> 03:30:54.970
We are called the dissidents.

03:30:55.310 --> 03:30:58.490
You see, the faithful, true, historic
Adventists are called, the word that

03:30:58.490 --> 03:31:00.190
describes us is dissidents.

03:31:00.450 --> 03:31:04.090
And it was the dissidents that were first
put in the concentration camps by the

03:31:04.090 --> 03:31:04.470
Nazis.

03:31:04.950 --> 03:31:08.530
Listen, it doesn't take a rocket scientist
to figure out that the first ones that

03:31:08.530 --> 03:31:12.630
they are going to try to clamp down on and
already are clamping down on are the

03:31:12.630 --> 03:31:12.990
dissidents.

03:31:13.150 --> 03:31:17.330
Those of us who dare to raise our voice in
protest in the churches to the things that

03:31:17.330 --> 03:31:17.930
are going on.

03:31:17.950 --> 03:31:18.010
That's right.

03:31:19.330 --> 03:31:22.650
It indeed had had its effect on this taxi
driver, that is the therapy.

03:31:22.970 --> 03:31:27.350
He said that he had found his identity and
learned to like himself.

03:31:27.350 --> 03:31:28.090
Ever heard that?

03:31:28.550 --> 03:31:28.690
Yes.

03:31:29.050 --> 03:31:33.930
A generation earlier, Alan Bloom says,
he would have found God and learned to

03:31:33.930 --> 03:31:35.490
despise himself as a sinner.

03:31:36.110 --> 03:31:36.810
Look at the contrast.

03:31:37.410 --> 03:31:40.290
Now he's found himself and learned to like
himself.

03:31:40.390 --> 03:31:43.490
He's found his identity and learned to
like himself through these psychologies.

03:31:43.970 --> 03:31:47.970
A generation earlier he would have found
God and learned to despise himself as a

03:31:47.970 --> 03:31:48.130
sinner.

03:31:48.590 --> 03:31:53.570
The problem lay with his sense of self not
with any original sin or devils in him.

03:31:53.850 --> 03:31:57.850
Notice, Alan Bloom puts his finger on the
problem of this whole thing.

03:31:58.030 --> 03:31:59.450
It's his sense of self.

03:32:00.190 --> 03:32:05.270
Now people talk after having gone to
psychology and the therapies of having

03:32:05.270 --> 03:32:08.470
found their identity and loving
themselves, rather than having found God

03:32:08.470 --> 03:32:10.610
and learning to despise themselves as a
sinner.

03:32:12.350 --> 03:32:14.350
I just thought of something else,
Bob.

03:32:15.450 --> 03:32:22.510
During the Second World War there were
people Germans and non-Germans that were

03:32:22.510 --> 03:32:27.710
trying to tell the German people what was
going on in the concentration camps.

03:32:28.070 --> 03:32:30.190
And the German people refused to believe
it.

03:32:30.410 --> 03:32:33.510
They said, you people are fanatics,
you're lunatics, you're crazy,

03:32:34.370 --> 03:32:39.030
you're just possessed with paranoia and
this stuff is not happening.

03:32:39.090 --> 03:32:40.670
And they refused to believe these people.

03:32:41.030 --> 03:32:44.530
And I know that there is a segment of
Adventism, if I dare say it's the majority

03:32:44.530 --> 03:32:47.890
of Adventism, that look on these videos
that we are producing and say man,

03:32:47.950 --> 03:32:55.410
those guys are lunatics, they're just
riddled with paranoia believing that all

03:32:55.410 --> 03:32:59.010
the Jesuits are out there and they refuse
to believe what we say just as the German

03:32:59.010 --> 03:33:02.250
people during the Second World War refused
to believe what they heard was really

03:33:02.250 --> 03:33:02.830
going on.

03:33:03.070 --> 03:33:07.130
But there is going to come a time,
Bob, when God is going to vindicate you

03:33:07.130 --> 03:33:08.830
and He's going to vindicate me.

03:33:09.290 --> 03:33:13.050
And He's going to vindicate those of us in
historic Adventism who are daring to lift

03:33:13.050 --> 03:33:17.310
our voices in protest and trying to warn
our people into what is going on.

03:33:17.450 --> 03:33:21.430
It may not be immediately, but I can
assure you in the fairness of God that

03:33:21.430 --> 03:33:25.050
there will come a time when He will
vindicate everything that you and I are

03:33:25.050 --> 03:33:26.050
saying on these videos.

03:33:26.350 --> 03:33:27.030
Blessed be His name.

03:33:27.150 --> 03:33:27.850
Yes, that's right.

03:33:29.710 --> 03:33:33.490
Alan Bloom then tells of how he had
watched this whole thing grow as a

03:33:33.490 --> 03:33:33.890
professor.

03:33:34.670 --> 03:33:38.750
He says he felt a little like someone who
had known Napoleon when he was six.

03:33:38.890 --> 03:33:42.750
He watched his value relativism and its
concomitants grow greater in the land than

03:33:42.750 --> 03:33:43.670
anyone imagined.

03:33:44.110 --> 03:33:48.310
He said who would have ever thought that
this language, which was introduced back

03:33:49.250 --> 03:33:53.950
decades ago, would one day become the
language on the streets of America?

03:33:54.450 --> 03:33:58.410
The self-understanding of hippies,
he says, yippies, yuppies, panthers,

03:33:58.630 --> 03:34:04.550
prelates, that's ministers and presidents,
has unconsciously been formed by German

03:34:04.550 --> 03:34:07.410
thought of a half-century earlier.

03:34:08.370 --> 03:34:12.270
Nietzsche said that the world revolves
around the inventors of new values,

03:34:12.430 --> 03:34:13.470
revolves silently.

03:34:14.030 --> 03:34:17.190
Nietzsche was such an inventor,
and we are still revolving around him,

03:34:17.270 --> 03:34:18.930
although rather squeakily.

03:34:19.410 --> 03:34:26.610
Then he tells of how Freud and Weber
promoted Nietzsche's ideas and popularized

03:34:26.610 --> 03:34:32.450
them, and how this was all imported here,
and how various professors were concerned

03:34:32.450 --> 03:34:37.470
about it at first, but most of them just
simply repressed the idea that there was

03:34:37.470 --> 03:34:41.770
any danger in Nietzsche's thought that it
might lead to Nazism.

03:34:42.250 --> 03:34:46.350
This was simply repressed, he said,
and a blind eye was turned to their

03:34:46.350 --> 03:34:48.330
influence on their contemporaries.

03:34:49.190 --> 03:34:53.210
Yet you're saying that these thoughts of
Nietzsche that led to Nazism are exactly

03:34:53.210 --> 03:34:57.910
the same thoughts that are being
inculcated into the Seventh-day Adventist

03:34:57.910 --> 03:35:02.010
and across Christianity and our nation.

03:35:02.170 --> 03:35:04.390
That's the whole point of this chapter,
the German connection.

03:35:04.530 --> 03:35:10.310
We are being set up, prepared,
just as Nazi Germany was, with the same

03:35:10.310 --> 03:35:11.110
exact thought.

03:35:11.330 --> 03:35:13.610
That's right, the same philosophy.

03:35:14.570 --> 03:35:18.870
He says there is no doubt that value
relativism, if it is true and it is

03:35:18.870 --> 03:35:24.090
believed, takes one into very dark regions
of the soul and very dangerous political

03:35:24.090 --> 03:35:24.770
experiments.

03:35:25.290 --> 03:35:28.790
But on enchanted American ground,
the tragic sense has little place,

03:35:29.150 --> 03:35:33.450
and the early proponents of the new social
science gaily accepted the value insight,

03:35:33.770 --> 03:35:36.830
sure that their values were just fine,
and went ahead with science.

03:35:37.330 --> 03:35:41.570
It was not until the sixties that the
value insight began to have its true

03:35:41.570 --> 03:35:42.870
effects in the United States.

03:35:43.010 --> 03:35:44.010
And what was that?

03:35:44.190 --> 03:35:44.470
Hippies.

03:35:44.730 --> 03:35:45.210
The hippies.

03:35:45.310 --> 03:35:47.810
I have a book here titled 1968.

03:35:48.270 --> 03:35:51.310
This is an international oral history.

03:35:51.670 --> 03:35:54.910
All over the world, suddenly, the youth
just erupted.

03:35:55.130 --> 03:35:57.330
1968, I will never forget it.

03:35:57.930 --> 03:36:05.490
I was a junior at Forest Lake Academy,
and I'll never forget that year.

03:36:05.590 --> 03:36:09.710
That was the most tumultuous year of my
life, of the nation.

03:36:10.290 --> 03:36:13.850
It was an unprecedented year.

03:36:14.610 --> 03:36:20.050
The change that took place in this nation
in 1968.

03:36:20.530 --> 03:36:21.690
And I was right in the middle of it.

03:36:21.710 --> 03:36:24.030
And that was right after Vatican II,
interestingly, isn't it?

03:36:24.490 --> 03:36:32.310
And it started a pattern, a progression of
developments in people's thinking

03:36:32.310 --> 03:36:37.210
patterns, just like what happened in
Germany with the Wandervogel, eventually

03:36:37.210 --> 03:36:40.510
leading into the Nazism that arose.

03:36:40.690 --> 03:36:43.830
And here is a book, Killing the Spirit,
by Page Smith.

03:36:44.190 --> 03:36:45.450
Higher education in America.

03:36:45.570 --> 03:36:49.110
Here's a man having his spirit killed by
all the professors.

03:36:49.530 --> 03:36:51.390
Now, this man is an administrator.

03:36:51.650 --> 03:36:56.730
He was a prominent administrator in
universities out in California.

03:36:57.530 --> 03:37:02.050
He said, by 1967, the counterculture was
in full tide, with the gathering of young

03:37:02.050 --> 03:37:05.030
people into communes as one of its main
developments.

03:37:05.190 --> 03:37:06.750
Why did they suddenly want to go into
communes?

03:37:06.830 --> 03:37:07.970
What was behind this?

03:37:08.670 --> 03:37:11.550
A commune is the basis of commune-ism.

03:37:11.750 --> 03:37:12.230
Yes, sure.

03:37:13.170 --> 03:37:16.790
First thousands, and then tens of
thousands of young men and women abandoned

03:37:16.790 --> 03:37:21.270
middle-class suburban homes, university
campuses, and postgraduate studies and

03:37:21.270 --> 03:37:25.030
formed communes, cooperative living
groups, many of them agricultural,

03:37:25.270 --> 03:37:26.970
others content to be urban communes.

03:37:27.030 --> 03:37:28.510
All had their own ethical code.

03:37:28.930 --> 03:37:30.610
Some were political in tone and intent.

03:37:30.610 --> 03:37:31.490
Many were religious.

03:37:32.150 --> 03:37:39.110
In fact, a girl who was involved in the
hippie movement told me of how her priest,

03:37:39.270 --> 03:37:46.370
she was a Catholic, had invited her to
come over to the church and paint hippie

03:37:46.370 --> 03:37:51.710
flowers and symbols on the parish van,
the Catholic parish van.

03:37:52.230 --> 03:37:57.390
It was obvious to her that the priests
were promoting this and trying to lead and

03:37:57.390 --> 03:37:58.650
direct this whole movement.

03:37:59.710 --> 03:38:01.610
Some were political in tone and intent.

03:38:01.670 --> 03:38:02.330
Many were religious.

03:38:02.430 --> 03:38:04.530
Eastern religions were especially in
vogue.

03:38:05.110 --> 03:38:10.430
Since the communards were rebelling
against middle-class American life and

03:38:10.430 --> 03:38:13.450
Protestant Christianity was identified in
the minds of the young with middle-class

03:38:13.450 --> 03:38:17.810
culture, it was less in evidence than,
say, Zen or Tantric Buddhism or Sufism.

03:38:18.730 --> 03:38:23.530
And then he goes on to tell about there
was a confessional impulse that was

03:38:23.530 --> 03:38:23.970
common.

03:38:24.430 --> 03:38:27.890
There was great emphasis on openness,
on sharing one's own feelings and emotions

03:38:27.890 --> 03:38:28.370
with others.

03:38:28.470 --> 03:38:33.470
The encounter group in which one laid bare
one's innermost feelings and confessed

03:38:33.470 --> 03:38:36.850
one's sins of selfishness or pride against
others, against the community,

03:38:37.050 --> 03:38:37.550
flourished.

03:38:38.650 --> 03:38:42.190
And astrology and various forms of the
occult were popular.

03:38:42.590 --> 03:38:44.810
This is just like what happened in
Germany.

03:38:44.950 --> 03:38:46.470
Music and dance were central.

03:38:47.370 --> 03:38:51.330
What has become known as the New Age
philosophy evolved from that movement,

03:38:51.730 --> 03:38:53.690
developed over a whole theory of history.

03:38:55.530 --> 03:39:01.050
Incidentally, John, coming out here,
I had opportunity to read about half of

03:39:01.050 --> 03:39:04.550
this book, Now is the Dawning of the New
Age, New World Order.

03:39:04.650 --> 03:39:09.950
We don't have time on this video to get
into this, but the documentation here is

03:39:09.950 --> 03:39:11.330
absolutely astounding.

03:39:11.790 --> 03:39:18.130
In about 1938, the Jesuits accepted the
idea of the New World Order concept.

03:39:18.310 --> 03:39:23.910
He documents about the time when the popes
in the papacy began accepting the idea.

03:39:24.670 --> 03:39:32.130
And in 1976, the hippie movement really
flowered into the New Age movement.

03:39:32.330 --> 03:39:36.070
And the New Age movement is the
underpinnings for the New World Order.

03:39:36.770 --> 03:39:40.270
And in the Catholic bookstores today,
you can get all kinds of New Age

03:39:40.270 --> 03:39:40.810
materials.

03:39:41.270 --> 03:39:46.530
It's very, very interesting how all these
things interrelate and are tied together.

03:39:46.630 --> 03:39:49.890
He says here, the New Age started in 1976.

03:39:50.610 --> 03:39:53.930
And this is, of course, what was called
the Age of Aquarius.

03:39:54.970 --> 03:40:01.930
And a whole new philosophical perception
was to come over the human race.

03:40:02.070 --> 03:40:03.770
A pantheistic idea.

03:40:03.950 --> 03:40:05.190
God is in us.

03:40:06.050 --> 03:40:12.370
And this is all of this mysticism and
omega of apostasy.

03:40:12.490 --> 03:40:16.250
We're going right back to the Garden of
Eden, to the first lie that Lucifer told

03:40:16.250 --> 03:40:18.370
to Eve.

03:40:18.370 --> 03:40:20.830
You know, that you can be as gods.

03:40:20.910 --> 03:40:23.050
This is the basis of Mormonism.

03:40:23.290 --> 03:40:25.990
It's the basis of so many false religions.

03:40:26.710 --> 03:40:30.770
And it's coming right into Christianity,
coming right into the Seventh-day

03:40:30.770 --> 03:40:33.210
Adventist corporate structure,
being taught in our schools.

03:40:33.410 --> 03:40:36.110
The New Age is right in our midst,
Bob!

03:40:36.330 --> 03:40:36.790
Exactly.

03:40:36.930 --> 03:40:37.950
Let me get a book, John.

03:40:39.370 --> 03:40:43.250
John, here is Earth and the Balance,
Ecology and the Human Spirit by Senator Al

03:40:43.250 --> 03:40:43.590
Gore.

03:40:43.890 --> 03:40:45.670
Al Gore, I've heard of him.

03:40:45.670 --> 03:40:47.930
We talked about him in Jesuit Agenda 3.

03:40:48.450 --> 03:40:53.490
But he is one of the most rabid New Agers
in the nation.

03:40:54.090 --> 03:40:54.850
Very rabid.

03:40:54.890 --> 03:40:59.810
And he talks about the need to suppress
individual rights and enhance the rights

03:40:59.810 --> 03:41:00.650
of the community.

03:41:01.110 --> 03:41:06.410
And he talks about Gaia, the Gaia
hypothesis that the whole ecology of the

03:41:06.410 --> 03:41:11.850
earth is a living organism, and laments
that the Mother Goddess idea has died out.

03:41:12.170 --> 03:41:16.350
And why is it, he said, considered a
heresy to think that God is in you?

03:41:16.570 --> 03:41:18.470
This man is our Vice President now.

03:41:19.350 --> 03:41:21.330
Do you see how far this thing has gone?

03:41:21.510 --> 03:41:25.670
We have a Jesuit-trained President,
we have a New Age Vice President.

03:41:26.810 --> 03:41:31.510
In fact, his book just prepared...

03:41:31.510 --> 03:41:35.190
You know, when you read his latest book,
is this the only book that he's written?

03:41:35.250 --> 03:41:36.110
Doesn't he have one more?

03:41:36.150 --> 03:41:37.250
He may have more than one.

03:41:37.290 --> 03:41:37.730
I don't know.

03:41:38.290 --> 03:41:44.430
This book just aptly outlines how that our
Vice President is a New Ager.

03:41:45.050 --> 03:41:46.330
Through and through.

03:41:46.490 --> 03:41:47.150
Oh, absolutely.

03:41:47.590 --> 03:41:50.990
We have a Jesuit President and a New Age
Vice President.

03:41:51.110 --> 03:41:52.790
What does that tell you, Bob?

03:41:53.270 --> 03:41:54.850
Oh, God help us.

03:41:54.870 --> 03:42:01.830
It tells me that I think we are in for a
very unstable situation, and very rapid

03:42:01.830 --> 03:42:04.930
and significant and decisive changes.

03:42:05.410 --> 03:42:07.290
Because, let me get another book here,
John.

03:42:08.890 --> 03:42:12.690
Bill Clinton believed that he was elected
with a mandate for change.

03:42:12.810 --> 03:42:17.050
Here is a task force that developed a
whole book, a new blueprint for a new

03:42:17.050 --> 03:42:17.490
America.

03:42:17.610 --> 03:42:19.030
He wants to reinvent America.

03:42:19.330 --> 03:42:20.990
He wants to reinvent it economically.

03:42:21.550 --> 03:42:28.710
We are looking at sweeping, massive,
enormous changes that are going on and no

03:42:28.710 --> 03:42:33.270
doubt will increase going on at an
astronomical rate.

03:42:33.690 --> 03:42:38.730
And when you have this value relativism,
you have a very unstable situation because

03:42:38.730 --> 03:42:41.790
you don't have people that believe in
absolutes anymore.

03:42:42.970 --> 03:42:49.530
And dangerous and tricky situations can
catapult the nation into a very,

03:42:49.770 --> 03:42:54.210
very grave, serious restriction of
liberty.

03:42:55.250 --> 03:43:03.210
I tell you, if our Adventist people cannot
realize the seriousness of the times in

03:43:03.210 --> 03:43:06.590
which we live and how quickly things are
wrapping up.

03:43:07.210 --> 03:43:11.710
Bob, what more can we do to wake our
Adventist people up in what we have done?

03:43:12.290 --> 03:43:13.390
All they have to do...

03:43:13.390 --> 03:43:17.910
You know, I realize that we're not all
speed readers and scholars like you are.

03:43:18.030 --> 03:43:23.990
And Bob, I wouldn't want our people to
wade through this stuff.

03:43:24.290 --> 03:43:29.270
You know, I believe definitely that God
has called you to do this particular work

03:43:29.270 --> 03:43:34.050
and has put a guard upon your mind to
protect you to where you can absorb this

03:43:34.050 --> 03:43:40.310
stuff and bring the truth to our people
and have God deliver you from the satanic

03:43:41.310 --> 03:43:43.210
influences of this material that you're
going through.

03:43:43.270 --> 03:43:47.450
You know, in early writings, 124 and 125,
I believe, are the pages where she talks

03:43:47.450 --> 03:43:53.270
about that we are not to go in where evil
is taught unless the Lord has specifically

03:43:53.270 --> 03:43:54.750
called you to do that.

03:43:54.990 --> 03:43:56.590
Only then will He protect you.

03:43:56.850 --> 03:43:59.490
Well, I believe that our people should not
be going wading through these books.

03:43:59.550 --> 03:44:03.070
And when they see these books on our
videos, they run down to their bookstore

03:44:03.070 --> 03:44:04.210
and buy them and read them.

03:44:04.290 --> 03:44:05.250
I don't want them doing that.

03:44:05.350 --> 03:44:06.650
I don't believe that you do either.

03:44:07.050 --> 03:44:11.890
I believe that God has specifically called
you and is protecting you as you go

03:44:11.890 --> 03:44:13.750
through this stuff to bring the truth to
our people.

03:44:13.930 --> 03:44:18.810
Just like Ellen White says in early
writings, 124 and 125, there are specific

03:44:18.810 --> 03:44:23.590
people who God has called to go in to
these dens of iniquity where error is

03:44:23.590 --> 03:44:25.170
being taught for a specific purpose.

03:44:25.550 --> 03:44:26.450
God will protect them.

03:44:26.570 --> 03:44:29.070
But unless He has specifically... That's
right, to refute the error.

03:44:29.070 --> 03:44:32.930
But unless He has specifically called you
to do that, she says that the Holy Spirit

03:44:32.930 --> 03:44:37.530
and the Holy Angels remain outside and you
go in and are left to the buffetings of

03:44:37.530 --> 03:44:37.830
Satan.

03:44:38.150 --> 03:44:41.030
I believe in your particular instance that
God has called you to do this.

03:44:41.210 --> 03:44:44.010
But I don't believe that our people should
be going and buying these books and

03:44:44.010 --> 03:44:44.910
reading through them, Bob.

03:44:45.170 --> 03:44:49.590
And I just praise the Lord for the way
that He is using you to bring this truth

03:44:49.590 --> 03:44:50.130
to our people.

03:44:50.350 --> 03:44:52.090
We have about 10 minutes left on this
video.

03:44:52.270 --> 03:44:53.410
Let's bring it to a close, Bob.

03:44:53.470 --> 03:44:53.570
Okay.

03:44:54.050 --> 03:44:59.570
Ellen Bloom says that we are playing with
fire with this business of value

03:44:59.570 --> 03:45:00.350
relativism.

03:45:00.490 --> 03:45:05.250
He says once one plunges into the abyss
there is no assurance whatsoever that

03:45:05.250 --> 03:45:09.110
equality, democracy, or socialism will be
found on the other side.

03:45:09.730 --> 03:45:13.570
He says this whole thing is so unstable we
are playing with fire.

03:45:14.490 --> 03:45:20.410
And he says as the language derived from
nihilism, that's what Nietzsche taught.

03:45:20.930 --> 03:45:25.210
The language derived from nihilism has
become a part of their educations and

03:45:25.210 --> 03:45:27.430
insinuated itself into their daily lives.

03:45:27.870 --> 03:45:31.170
People pursue happiness in ways determined
by that language.

03:45:31.270 --> 03:45:35.050
There is a whole arsenal of terms for
talking about nothing, caring,

03:45:35.270 --> 03:45:39.830
self-fulfillment, expanding consciousness,
and so on, almost indefinitely.

03:45:40.410 --> 03:45:42.210
So he's trying to sound the warning.

03:45:42.850 --> 03:45:47.250
He says this value relativism creates a
nihilism of the soul.

03:45:47.330 --> 03:45:52.510
In other words, he says it's a state where
the soul is in chaos of the instincts and

03:45:52.510 --> 03:45:52.870
passions.

03:45:52.870 --> 03:45:54.610
And look at our young people today.

03:45:54.790 --> 03:46:01.230
Chaotic passions, instincts rule instead
of the spirit directing the intellect and

03:46:01.230 --> 03:46:03.170
molding the character and the image of
God.

03:46:03.490 --> 03:46:09.170
We have a very, very serious situation
developing here in America.

03:46:09.790 --> 03:46:13.410
But Christ is the answer to all of life's
needs.

03:46:13.610 --> 03:46:15.870
He is the answer to the spiritualism.

03:46:15.970 --> 03:46:20.990
He is the answer to the issues regarding
the papacy, Jesuitism.

03:46:20.990 --> 03:46:26.530
The answer is found in the Gospel of Jesus
Christ, because there we can find what the

03:46:26.530 --> 03:46:27.550
human heart needs.

03:46:27.650 --> 03:46:30.270
The true love of God that is without
measure.

03:46:30.910 --> 03:46:34.650
There is comfort and security and healing
in Christ.

03:46:34.970 --> 03:46:37.850
For death there is resurrection and
eternal life.

03:46:38.310 --> 03:46:41.310
For loneliness the incomparable friendship
of Christ.

03:46:42.370 --> 03:46:47.530
There is the redeemed and unfallen beings
that will fellowship with us throughout

03:46:47.530 --> 03:46:49.010
eternal ages.

03:46:49.010 --> 03:46:50.690
There is the nearness of angels.

03:46:51.270 --> 03:46:56.610
The Gospel provides divine providence,
the mighty counselor, the everlasting

03:46:56.610 --> 03:46:58.170
father, the prince of peace.

03:46:58.670 --> 03:47:03.850
And for all the meaninglessness of this
life, Christ offers the infinite meaning

03:47:03.850 --> 03:47:05.970
of himself and his presence.

03:47:06.490 --> 03:47:10.590
The love of God, the sovereignty of God,
the great controversy, the cross of

03:47:10.590 --> 03:47:12.290
Calvary, heaven itself.

03:47:12.910 --> 03:47:16.290
Man is not abandoned by God, but he is
loved with an infinite love.

03:47:16.290 --> 03:47:18.770
He is guided by the Holy Spirit.

03:47:19.330 --> 03:47:24.410
And as we find our nation descending into
the depths of the philosophical

03:47:25.190 --> 03:47:29.710
comprehensions and worldviews of the
philosophies that led to the rise of

03:47:29.710 --> 03:47:35.310
Nazism in Germany, we as Adventists are
called upon to proclaim the three angels'

03:47:35.490 --> 03:47:40.770
messages to declare ever more loudly and
forcefully the true meaning of the

03:47:40.770 --> 03:47:46.990
Sabbath, which is the significance of God
being the creator, being the king and lord

03:47:46.990 --> 03:47:47.690
and redeemer.

03:47:48.310 --> 03:47:54.150
And we are to find our power in that sign
spoken of in Exodus 31.

03:47:54.810 --> 03:48:01.350
So as we look about us and we see the
forces at work, we have to be absolutely

03:48:01.350 --> 03:48:06.270
firm in our commitment to our message,
in our surrender to the Lord, in our

03:48:06.270 --> 03:48:12.530
acceptance of the biblical principles of
true conversion, and that the just shall

03:48:12.530 --> 03:48:17.570
live by faith, the fundamental concepts of
Protestantism, this divine graft on the

03:48:17.570 --> 03:48:18.150
human spirit.

03:48:18.470 --> 03:48:23.250
And it must work itself out in all the
dimensions of our life, in our religious

03:48:23.250 --> 03:48:29.130
life, in our work-a-day life, in our
philosophy, in our theology, in every

03:48:29.130 --> 03:48:32.450
dimension of our life we are to be
permeated with Protestant principles

03:48:32.450 --> 03:48:37.830
because we have the greatest power on
earth, that is Jesus Christ in our hearts.

03:48:39.250 --> 03:48:46.370
You know, since we take this first Jesuit
agenda, we've become friends.

03:48:46.870 --> 03:48:48.270
I've really come to love you, Bob.

03:48:48.310 --> 03:48:49.270
I appreciate your ministry.

03:48:49.390 --> 03:48:54.170
And you know, I know that you feel the
same way that I do.

03:48:54.930 --> 03:49:06.310
There is no power on earth, there is no
prestige, money, anything that could make

03:49:06.310 --> 03:49:12.650
us do what we are doing were it not for
the sweet peace of Jesus Christ.

03:49:13.510 --> 03:49:18.730
As we put our heads on our pillow at night
to know that we are doing what God wants

03:49:18.730 --> 03:49:19.750
us to do and nothing else.

03:49:19.810 --> 03:49:28.150
Bob, if I wasn't absolutely convinced in
my innermost soul that what I am doing is

03:49:28.150 --> 03:49:31.930
what God wants me to do, I couldn't live
with myself, I couldn't go another day.

03:49:32.330 --> 03:49:35.750
I would throw this whole thing out and go
do something else.

03:49:35.750 --> 03:49:38.450
You know, Bob, you are a college
professor.

03:49:38.610 --> 03:49:41.930
You could be teaching in any college that
you wanted to teach.

03:49:42.010 --> 03:49:46.750
And you could be doing myriads of other
things with the mind that the Lord has

03:49:46.750 --> 03:49:47.170
given you.

03:49:47.610 --> 03:49:50.650
The Lord has given me very talents that I
could be doing other things.

03:49:50.910 --> 03:49:57.370
The only thing that keeps you and I doing
what we are doing is because of the sweet

03:49:57.370 --> 03:49:59.450
peace that Jesus Christ gives us.

03:49:59.570 --> 03:50:01.030
This is the way walking in.

03:50:01.330 --> 03:50:05.830
And He gives us our marching orders and we
are day by day, hour by hour, minute by

03:50:05.830 --> 03:50:11.130
minute, walking in the light that Jesus is
shining in our path and walking in the way

03:50:11.130 --> 03:50:13.030
that He has given us to walk.

03:50:13.370 --> 03:50:18.530
And I know that people are worried for our
safety and are praying for us and we thank

03:50:18.530 --> 03:50:19.710
you dear folks for praying for us.

03:50:19.790 --> 03:50:23.930
Bless your hearts, we appreciate the
prayers that go up for Bob and I and for

03:50:23.930 --> 03:50:26.590
all those in the Faithful Independent
Ministries.

03:50:27.410 --> 03:50:32.210
But just before we close this video I sent
you a book.

03:50:32.290 --> 03:50:34.570
Somebody sent me a book a couple of weeks
ago.

03:50:35.390 --> 03:50:39.570
And I read portions of it and I said Bob,
you've got to have this.

03:50:40.610 --> 03:50:45.250
Well Bob, it's called A Pale Horse and
it's written by William Cooper.

03:50:45.830 --> 03:50:51.450
Tell us who William Cooper is and I want
you to close with this one paragraph from

03:50:51.450 --> 03:50:52.790
his book A Pale Horse.

03:50:53.470 --> 03:50:58.210
Bill Cooper is a former United States
Naval Intelligence Briefing Team member.

03:50:58.310 --> 03:51:02.610
So we would expect that he would know
about research he would know about

03:51:02.610 --> 03:51:03.310
intelligence.

03:51:03.490 --> 03:51:07.110
So he's just not some skid row bum that
decided to write a book.

03:51:07.430 --> 03:51:10.430
He reveals information that remains hidden
from the public eye.

03:51:10.870 --> 03:51:13.630
He talks about the seventh day Sabbath in
here John.

03:51:13.970 --> 03:51:14.650
Did you know that?

03:51:15.210 --> 03:51:16.770
He is a Sabbath keeper apparently.

03:51:17.030 --> 03:51:23.590
And he exposes the papacy because it
changed the day of worship from Saturday

03:51:23.590 --> 03:51:24.390
to Sunday.

03:51:24.630 --> 03:51:27.650
I just read portions of it and got it in
the mail and said Bob if you don't have

03:51:27.650 --> 03:51:29.630
this, you've got to have this book and I
sent it to you.

03:51:29.970 --> 03:51:34.710
Read him the one paragraph that is just
so, so riveting.

03:51:35.490 --> 03:51:43.470
Okay now, right now John, I have to rest
the evidence on this Naval Intelligence

03:51:43.470 --> 03:51:44.630
Briefing Team member.

03:51:44.910 --> 03:51:49.770
We tried to check out further
documentation and the problem we ran into

03:51:49.770 --> 03:51:51.410
was he has gone into hiding.

03:51:51.530 --> 03:51:53.770
This stuff is so explosive in here.

03:51:53.810 --> 03:51:59.910
In fact, they found on a copy machine that
was sold at a surplus, an army surplus

03:52:01.310 --> 03:52:01.710
location.

03:52:02.150 --> 03:52:06.290
They found a document describing how the
economy would be used to subjugate the

03:52:06.290 --> 03:52:07.070
people in America.

03:52:07.130 --> 03:52:10.350
I wanted to bring that out, but we didn't
have time in this video.

03:52:10.750 --> 03:52:13.710
But here is the paragraph that John is
interested in.

03:52:13.770 --> 03:52:15.110
Folks, let me say this.

03:52:16.030 --> 03:52:17.390
Bob is going to read this paragraph.

03:52:17.570 --> 03:52:20.790
We are going to put it up on the character
generator for you to read it on the

03:52:20.790 --> 03:52:21.170
screen.

03:52:21.730 --> 03:52:26.350
But you are probably going to have to put
it on rewind and read this thing over and

03:52:26.350 --> 03:52:29.750
over about three or four times before it
finally sinks in.

03:52:30.090 --> 03:52:30.810
Listen to this.

03:52:32.490 --> 03:52:34.890
This is not the only place where I have
heard this either.

03:52:35.610 --> 03:52:38.530
Other material of this nature has come
into us.

03:52:39.410 --> 03:52:43.470
This is page 89 of Behold a Pale Horse by
William Cooper.

03:52:44.550 --> 03:52:46.650
In the early 1940s, the I.G.

03:52:46.810 --> 03:52:52.290
Farben Chemical Company, and that was
probably the biggest company, corporation

03:52:52.290 --> 03:52:52.950
in Germany.

03:52:53.210 --> 03:52:54.510
It dominated Germany.

03:52:55.770 --> 03:52:57.650
I have other books that tell of how it
dominated.

03:52:57.950 --> 03:53:03.150
In fact Carol Quigley, in his book The
Mentor of Bill Clinton tells about I.G.

03:53:03.310 --> 03:53:03.550
Farben.

03:53:04.310 --> 03:53:04.970
The I.G.

03:53:05.090 --> 03:53:09.830
Farben Chemical Company employed a Polish
salesman who sold cyanide to the Nazis for

03:53:09.830 --> 03:53:10.850
use in Auschwitz.

03:53:11.530 --> 03:53:16.470
The same salesman also worked as a chemist
in the manufacture of the poison gas.

03:53:17.170 --> 03:53:22.870
This same cyanide gas, along with Zyklon B
and Malathion, was used to exterminate

03:53:22.870 --> 03:53:24.670
millions of Jews and other groups.

03:53:25.110 --> 03:53:27.730
Their bodies were then burned to ashes in
the ovens.

03:53:28.150 --> 03:53:32.230
After the war, the salesman, fearing for
his life, joined the Catholic Church and

03:53:32.230 --> 03:53:34.650
was ordained a priest in 1946.

03:53:35.710 --> 03:53:41.350
One of his closest friends was Dr. Wolf
Schmuesnis, the mastermind behind the

03:53:41.350 --> 03:53:47.550
November 78 to October 79 and March 80 to
October 81 experimental hepatitis B

03:53:47.550 --> 03:53:52.870
vaccine trials conducted by the Center for
Disease Control in New York, San

03:53:52.870 --> 03:53:57.230
Francisco, and four other American cities
that loosed the plague of AIDS upon the

03:53:57.230 --> 03:53:57.770
American people.

03:53:57.770 --> 03:54:03.850
I have heard this before, boy,
about that the plague of AIDS was not an

03:54:03.850 --> 03:54:04.150
accident.

03:54:04.290 --> 03:54:05.450
It was unleashed upon us.

03:54:05.450 --> 03:54:06.850
It was developed in laboratories.

03:54:06.970 --> 03:54:13.930
I had a document sent to me and I read it
to my father who was a physician,

03:54:13.930 --> 03:54:20.830
as yours was, and he was, he was,
if there ever was a person who was not

03:54:20.830 --> 03:54:24.890
prone to fanatical strange ideas,
it was him.

03:54:24.990 --> 03:54:27.030
He had a tremendous abhorrence from it.

03:54:27.310 --> 03:54:33.070
But when I read the account there of how
the AIDS virus had been developed and then

03:54:33.070 --> 03:54:38.190
how it had been introduced into the
homosexual populations in these cities as

03:54:38.190 --> 03:54:44.190
part of a vaccine, hepatitis vaccine,
he said that, to me, sounds like the real

03:54:44.190 --> 03:54:46.050
answer to where this came from.

03:54:46.210 --> 03:54:46.970
Finish the quote.

03:54:48.010 --> 03:54:51.930
The salesman was ordained Poland's
youngest bishop in 1958.

03:54:52.630 --> 03:54:57.690
After a 30-day reign, his predecessor was
assassinated and our ex-cyanide gas

03:54:57.690 --> 03:55:01.070
salesman assumed the papacy as Pope John
Paul II.

03:55:02.590 --> 03:55:05.710
1990 is the right time with the right
leaders.

03:55:05.830 --> 03:55:10.410
Ex-chief of the Soviet secret police,
Mikhail Gorbachev, ex-chief of the CIA,

03:55:10.830 --> 03:55:17.090
George Bush, ex-Nazi cyanide gas salesman,
Pope John Paul II, all bound by an unholy

03:55:17.090 --> 03:55:19.470
alliance to ring in the new world order.

03:55:19.910 --> 03:55:23.210
The Pope has challenged world leaders by
claiming that the people of the world

03:55:23.210 --> 03:55:27.490
already recognized the absolute authority
of Rome because they observed the Sunday

03:55:27.490 --> 03:55:31.110
Sabbath that was ordered by the Pope and
the Council of Laodicea, A.D.

03:55:31.350 --> 03:55:31.870
364.

03:55:31.890 --> 03:55:32.490
Listen to that.

03:55:32.630 --> 03:55:36.650
The original Ten Commandments given Moses
by God ordered that we should remember the

03:55:36.650 --> 03:55:38.010
Sabbath day to keep it holy.

03:55:38.550 --> 03:55:42.870
Six days shalt thou labor and do all thy
work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath

03:55:42.870 --> 03:55:43.930
of the Lord thy God.

03:55:44.050 --> 03:55:47.730
In it thou shalt not do any work thou,
nor thy son, nor thy daughter,

03:55:47.830 --> 03:55:51.630
thy manservant, nor thy maidservant,
nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is

03:55:51.630 --> 03:55:52.490
within thy gates.

03:55:52.910 --> 03:55:56.750
For in six days the Lord made heaven and
earth, the sea, and all that in them is,

03:55:57.070 --> 03:55:58.430
and rested the seventh day.

03:55:58.870 --> 03:56:01.330
Wherefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day
and hallowed it.

03:56:01.670 --> 03:56:05.330
The seventh day, the Sabbath as handed to
Moses by God, is Saturday.

03:56:05.330 --> 03:56:08.230
The celebration of Sunday as the Sabbath.

03:56:09.090 --> 03:56:13.510
The celebration of Sunday as the Sabbath
is verification that the people recognize

03:56:13.510 --> 03:56:16.210
the Pope as superior to God.

03:56:16.370 --> 03:56:17.070
Listen to this.

03:56:17.070 --> 03:56:19.950
This is a naval intelligence briefing
officer.

03:56:20.050 --> 03:56:21.550
The stones are starting to cry out.

03:56:22.810 --> 03:56:26.730
Youngborough into the temple and the
people were saying, Hosanna to the son of

03:56:26.730 --> 03:56:26.950
David.

03:56:27.050 --> 03:56:29.150
And the priest and the Pharisees and
scribes were running out saying,

03:56:29.670 --> 03:56:31.510
Make them be quiet, make them be quiet.

03:56:31.590 --> 03:56:35.550
And Jesus said, If they are quiet the
stones, these very stones are going to cry

03:56:35.550 --> 03:56:35.750
out.

03:56:35.910 --> 03:56:37.730
And that is exactly what's happening today
Bob.

03:56:37.890 --> 03:56:39.890
The stones are crying out the truth.

03:56:40.130 --> 03:56:43.690
And I tell you, if our denominational
structure, if our corporate structure

03:56:43.690 --> 03:56:47.370
refuses to preach the three angels
message, God is going to raise up stones.

03:56:47.490 --> 03:56:50.870
He's going to go to the Gentiles to preach
the three angels message to the world if

03:56:50.870 --> 03:56:51.510
we don't do it.

03:56:51.690 --> 03:56:54.430
Praise God that the Lord has seen fit to
give us the truth.

03:56:55.010 --> 03:56:57.770
And we have to run with it as far and as
fast as we can.

03:56:58.150 --> 03:57:02.670
And expose the wickedness of the man of
sin and preach the everlasting gospel.

03:57:02.950 --> 03:57:04.630
And I want to just close by saying this,
Bob.

03:57:05.730 --> 03:57:14.710
I believe that the corporate structure is
going to try to tie in these Waco Wacos

03:57:14.710 --> 03:57:19.830
that are being held, that have this
standoff going on right now as we are

03:57:19.830 --> 03:57:20.070
taping.

03:57:20.110 --> 03:57:21.830
We don't know how this is going to turn
out.

03:57:21.890 --> 03:57:25.150
By the time you watch this video I'm sure
that will have come to a close in Waco.

03:57:25.270 --> 03:57:27.790
But right now they're in the midst of this
big standoff.

03:57:28.390 --> 03:57:34.970
And that the corporate structure is going
to try to tie in these Waco Wacos as I

03:57:34.970 --> 03:57:35.450
call them.

03:57:35.690 --> 03:57:40.730
And these people in the message ministry
in Oregon that get messages from God to

03:57:40.730 --> 03:57:41.410
kill each other.

03:57:41.930 --> 03:57:46.130
And they've tried to tie in these
billboards, the great controversy,

03:57:46.530 --> 03:57:49.590
and all the faithful independent
ministries all in together.

03:57:50.110 --> 03:57:53.390
And we are already hearing reports that
the Oregon conference is making statements

03:57:53.390 --> 03:57:59.230
to the fact that this is what happens when
people separate from the corporate

03:57:59.230 --> 03:58:00.470
religious structure.

03:58:00.650 --> 03:58:05.010
And they're going to try to tie us all in
together with these...

03:58:05.010 --> 03:58:07.110
put us all into one pot.

03:58:07.190 --> 03:58:08.450
You mark my word.

03:58:08.650 --> 03:58:09.930
You know what my answer is to that John?

03:58:10.910 --> 03:58:15.610
The thing that will save us from this
value relativism, this Nietzsche that

03:58:15.610 --> 03:58:16.810
leads into Nazism.

03:58:17.190 --> 03:58:20.510
And by the way, the Pope had a concordat
with Hitler.

03:58:20.750 --> 03:58:24.310
It was a Jesuit that even wrote the
concordat between him and Mussolini.

03:58:25.450 --> 03:58:26.950
Structures have gone awry.

03:58:27.910 --> 03:58:31.070
But those who hold to the rock Christ
Jesus will triumph.

03:58:31.530 --> 03:58:32.830
They will triumph solidly.

03:58:32.950 --> 03:58:34.070
They believe in good and evil.

03:58:34.590 --> 03:58:41.290
The truth regarding the everlasting gospel
and the law of God and the structure which

03:58:41.290 --> 03:58:45.270
separates from the rock will lead people
into this abyss.

03:58:45.410 --> 03:58:49.610
But those who hold to the rock Christ
Jesus will see their way through to glory.

03:58:50.790 --> 03:58:55.610
Got to be honest with you Bob,
this is the best camp meeting my wife and

03:58:55.610 --> 03:58:56.490
I have both come to this conclusion.

03:58:56.630 --> 03:58:58.470
This is the best camp meeting we've ever
been to.

03:58:58.530 --> 03:58:59.770
Praise the Lord, we're glad to have you.

03:59:00.110 --> 03:59:03.750
We're making a quick little addition to
Jesuit Agenda 4 which will be coming out

03:59:03.750 --> 03:59:05.470
in just a few days.

03:59:05.610 --> 03:59:06.950
We want to put this at the end of it.

03:59:07.310 --> 03:59:11.310
Now Bob, I told our people that we would
be covering Bill Clinton's Jesuit mentor

03:59:11.310 --> 03:59:15.830
and political advisor, Janet Reno's
unprecedented demand that all state

03:59:15.830 --> 03:59:22.070
attorneys resign, the situation in Bosnia
with David Koresh and how the General

03:59:22.070 --> 03:59:26.870
Conference's involvement was in that Waco
tragedy, and how the ATF operates and how

03:59:26.870 --> 03:59:29.110
this all relates to the true and faithful
independent ministry.

03:59:29.250 --> 03:59:31.030
So let's just take this boom, boom,
boom.

03:59:31.150 --> 03:59:36.270
First I want you to cover how Bill Clinton
has been advised by a Jesuit mentor and

03:59:36.270 --> 03:59:37.250
political advisor.

03:59:37.890 --> 03:59:45.370
Okay John, in the tape we spoke about his
mentor from the Jesuit University of

03:59:45.370 --> 03:59:50.870
Georgetown which is probably the center of
Jesuit influence here in America.

03:59:50.970 --> 03:59:53.950
The most powerful center of influence.

03:59:54.050 --> 03:59:56.950
It's right there in Washington DC,
one mile from the White House.

03:59:57.570 --> 04:00:01.910
And we notice now that Bill Clinton and Al
Gore are going there to deliver their

04:00:02.390 --> 04:00:03.090
important speeches.

04:00:03.390 --> 04:00:07.690
They go and speak to the diplomatic corps
which have largely been trained.

04:00:08.130 --> 04:00:12.210
Our foreign service operating in the other
countries of the world have been largely

04:00:12.210 --> 04:00:13.890
trained at Georgetown University.

04:00:13.990 --> 04:00:15.550
And that's significant as we'll see
shortly.

04:00:15.550 --> 04:00:21.650
I have here a speech that Bill gave at
Georgetown University.

04:00:22.050 --> 04:00:26.890
And I'll just read a few sentences from it
and we will see something very

04:00:26.890 --> 04:00:27.370
significant.

04:00:28.090 --> 04:00:32.950
I have to say a special word by leave of
Father O'Donovan about two past presidents

04:00:32.950 --> 04:00:35.190
of Georgetown both named Healy.

04:00:35.970 --> 04:00:39.190
Now notice he had to get permission from
Father O'Donovan.

04:00:39.870 --> 04:00:44.250
The first for whom the Healy building was
named was the first African American

04:00:44.250 --> 04:00:46.810
president of a major university in the
United States.

04:00:47.230 --> 04:00:47.830
Then there were cheers.

04:00:48.450 --> 04:00:52.310
That's a great tribute to Georgetown and
to the Catholic church that he was named.

04:00:52.750 --> 04:00:57.310
The second, Timothy Healy, passed away
just a few days ago and he was Father

04:00:57.310 --> 04:00:58.550
O'Donovan's predecessor.

04:00:58.710 --> 04:01:01.210
That is he was president of Georgetown
University.

04:01:02.010 --> 04:01:03.010
He was my friend.

04:01:03.490 --> 04:01:08.510
And in his effects when he died were found
four pages of an outline of instructions

04:01:08.510 --> 04:01:10.470
for me for my inaugural address.

04:01:11.210 --> 04:01:11.650
Wow.

04:01:12.110 --> 04:01:14.210
So Tim's buried down the hill here.

04:01:14.390 --> 04:01:15.770
There's a little typo there, I think.

04:01:15.930 --> 04:01:18.370
Tim is right down the hill here,
meaning he's buried there.

04:01:18.730 --> 04:01:22.850
And I know he's looking down at us and I
want him to know that I have absorbed the

04:01:22.850 --> 04:01:26.170
instructions and I have taken some and
rejected some.

04:01:26.470 --> 04:01:27.710
That was always the case.

04:01:27.790 --> 04:01:28.530
And then there were laughs.

04:01:28.630 --> 04:01:30.350
He didn't want to appear to be a complete
clone.

04:01:30.670 --> 04:01:33.530
But it's obvious that he's getting his
instructions from the Jesuits.

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He was trained at Georgetown University
and he's getting his instructions from the

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Jesuits.

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President of the United States.

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Now there's some very interesting research
we've conducted, John, regarding his

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experience when he was at Georgetown and
at Oxford University.

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You recall that Bill went over to Oxford
University with a Rhodes scholarship.

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And you have to understand what's behind
all of that because Cecil Rhodes was at

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the turn of the century a very powerful
financial magnate that lived in South

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Africa and had a dream of having a secret
society control the world with globalism.

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And about the turn of the century in his
seven wills he made provision for the

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Rhodes scholarships to accomplish this
purpose and he created a secret society

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which according to Carol Quigley,
the mentor of Bill Clinton from

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Georgetown, according to him it is
impossible to understand what has been

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going on in the 20th century without
understanding this secret society.

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And the secret society according to
Quigley was patterned exactly along the

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lines of the Jesuit order.

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They took the constitutions of the Society
of Jesus and they merely plugged in the

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term British Empire where Roman Catholic
Church was.

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Now as we trace down what has happened in
time, it was this organization that

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established the Council on Foreign
Relations as a front group here for its

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purposes in America and other front groups
all over a network and we see the Council

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on Foreign Relations and Trilateral
Commission and Bilderbergers all working

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for a one world government.

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Now Quigley in his massive book here,
Tragedy and Hope, tells of how he studied

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this secret society for 20 years and he
had access to their top secret records for

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two years and he tells of how they've
worked with the communists, how they were

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facilitating communist influence here in
America, and how the whole thing is

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resting upon the attempt to control all
the nations through finance.

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And here is a review of Tragedy and Hope
by W.

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Cleon Skousen, the naked capitalist,
and in this book Skousen goes behind the

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scenes and he goes to the professor that
inspired Cecil Rhodes to start all of

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this.

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And that professor's name was Ruskin.

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And Ruskin, when he came to Oxford
University they said it was like an

04:04:06.790 --> 04:04:08.530
earthquake struck the university.

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He made such an impact and he promoted the
idea from Plato's Republic of an elite

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group of men controlling the masses that
would be subservient to them.

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And this is what got into Cecil Rhodes'
mind.

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And every major dictator in the 20th
century has, including Marx's ideas,

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Marx studied the republic, this has been
the pattern which all of the dictators of

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the 20th century have patterned upon.

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And you see Plato was an ancient Greek
philosopher and Roman Catholic theology is

04:04:46.750 --> 04:04:51.990
all intertwined and enmeshed with Platonic
philosophy and Aristotle's philosophy,

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both.

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And so this has been a major work,
Plato's Republic, in creating dictatorial

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type of situations.

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And so what is so interesting is that
right after Vatican II Bill Clinton,

04:05:08.270 --> 04:05:09.370
of course, was a young man.

04:05:09.510 --> 04:05:12.810
He was going to Georgetown then he went
over to Oxford with the Rhodes

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scholarship.

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And while he was in Europe he got involved
in the anti-war movement.

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And here is a book, Peace Eyes,
by a Jesuit from Georgetown University

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from the Center for Peace Studies at
Georgetown.

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And in this book, the Jesuit tells of
going over to Europe.

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He wrote this book in I believe it was
1977.

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And in the foreword, right in the very
first sentence, he says, when I got off

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the train in Oslo, Norway, I met Bill
Clinton of Georgetown University.

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He asked if he could go with me visiting
peace people.

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And the whole book tells of this Jesuit's
travels around the world, facilitating,

04:05:54.950 --> 04:06:00.990
helping the peace, anti-war, anti-Vietnam
hippie type movement.

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And I've spoken to people who have been,
one person in particular, who was a hippie

04:06:06.170 --> 04:06:06.830
during this time.

04:06:07.230 --> 04:06:12.370
And this person told me that it was very
obvious that the Catholic priests were

04:06:12.370 --> 04:06:15.470
very interested in directing this whole
hippie movement.

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And remember, we compared a little bit of
the movement in America and around the

04:06:21.590 --> 04:06:24.950
world in the late 60s with what was going
on in Germany with the Wandervogel.

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So, Bill Clinton was following the Jesuits
way back there.

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And he invited McSorley, the Jesuit,
to have the opening prayer at his big

04:06:34.630 --> 04:06:38.690
service with hundreds of people,
anti-war service that he held in England.

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McSorley traveled with Clinton in Norway.

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Then he met him again in England.

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And he tells about it in this book,
Peace Eyes, a most interesting thing.

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Satan has been preparing our Jesuit
president for such a time as this.

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You know, the Lord prepares people for
certain times and the devil prepares

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people for certain times.

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And obviously Bill Clinton is filling the
position that the devil has outlined for

04:07:04.190 --> 04:07:11.170
him to fill in bringing the mark of the
beast upon the world.

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While we are still on this subject John,
there is a lot more that is going on too

04:07:15.990 --> 04:07:18.570
that we have just uncovered in the last
few weeks.

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Someone called our ministry and told about
the governor's school that Bill Clinton

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was operating.

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What is that?

04:07:25.190 --> 04:07:26.910
Well, we'll explain a little bit in a
minute here.

04:07:27.310 --> 04:07:31.910
Bill Clinton went over, incidentally,
while he was governor of Arkansas to Italy

04:07:31.910 --> 04:07:36.390
to study how the Italian communist
communes were functioning.

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And he came back and initiated a lot of
those concepts back here in America.

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And he has started years ago what he calls
the governor's school, which is a school

04:07:48.410 --> 04:07:55.710
that takes 14 through 18 year olds for six
weeks each summer and puts them in a

04:07:55.710 --> 04:08:05.030
cloistered environment and there they are
subjected to a deep imbibing of new age

04:08:05.030 --> 04:08:05.690
philosophy.

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They are requested to not phone home.

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They are requested to have as little
outside influence with them during that

04:08:18.650 --> 04:08:18.970
time.

04:08:19.070 --> 04:08:23.310
It is a massive indoctrination program
from all the information we have been able

04:08:23.310 --> 04:08:23.750
to get.

04:08:24.190 --> 04:08:28.350
We have gotten information from people who
have researched about the school.

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We have contacted the school itself.

04:08:31.030 --> 04:08:32.950
We have gotten information from the school
itself.

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And it is definitely a new age type of
school that wants to include all

04:08:38.550 --> 04:08:41.290
philosophies and the thinking of the young
people.

04:08:41.830 --> 04:08:47.170
And the purpose of it is along the same
lines as the Rhodes scholarships and the

04:08:47.170 --> 04:08:53.190
whole plan of Cecil Rhodes to take the
brightest young minds imbue them with the

04:08:53.190 --> 04:08:58.390
ideas of globalism, internationalism and
control of the masses through socialism.

04:08:59.090 --> 04:09:03.290
And then they become the next leaders and
their philosophies trickle down.

04:09:03.590 --> 04:09:06.930
They put their people in influence all
through the educational system,

04:09:07.330 --> 04:09:10.070
the churches, the government, the whole
picture.

04:09:10.490 --> 04:09:13.410
And so what we have got is an awesome
thing going on here, John.

04:09:14.070 --> 04:09:15.590
And it is not only in Arkansas.

04:09:15.750 --> 04:09:18.810
We found out that these schools are in
virtually every state.

04:09:18.910 --> 04:09:21.110
They take the brightest, the most gifted
and talented.

04:09:21.530 --> 04:09:27.910
And gifted and talented is a term that the
new agers love to use because they love to

04:09:27.910 --> 04:09:33.510
get the gifted and talented young people
and mold them in their thinking and then

04:09:33.510 --> 04:09:36.770
they spread the thinking across through
society.

04:09:36.910 --> 04:09:40.830
It's a new age technique for bringing
about the new age, new world order.

04:09:41.390 --> 04:09:43.770
Oh, Bob, this stuff is so mind-boggling.

04:09:44.270 --> 04:09:47.690
I don't know if you can bring this thing
on Bill Clinton to a close, but we've got

04:09:47.690 --> 04:09:48.670
to move on.

04:09:48.710 --> 04:09:50.430
We don't have much room at the end of this
tape.

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Anything in closing you want to say about
Bill Clinton?

04:09:53.290 --> 04:09:55.490
I want to say in closing about this
governor's school.

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When you study how Hitler took control of
the German nation, he took control of them

04:10:00.350 --> 04:10:01.130
through the youth.

04:10:01.750 --> 04:10:06.450
In fact, he said of the old people,
he said, if they come up to me and say

04:10:06.450 --> 04:10:10.330
they disagree with me, I say, it's
alright, I've got your descendants.

04:10:11.010 --> 04:10:14.530
And how he got them was through the Hitler
youth, and the Hitler youth worked

04:10:14.530 --> 04:10:16.270
primarily through the ages of 14 to 18.

04:10:16.270 --> 04:10:19.910
That's exactly what we see happening in
the conference corporate structure.

04:10:20.170 --> 04:10:23.450
If the old people don't agree with us,
we've got your youth.

04:10:23.610 --> 04:10:27.530
And now there's a massive effort to put
them on boards, on committees,

04:10:27.830 --> 04:10:32.090
to replace the older ones who once knew
what it was like, and bring in the new

04:10:32.090 --> 04:10:32.590
philosophy.

04:10:32.790 --> 04:10:36.710
You see, John, not only has Bill Clinton
and Al Gore been trained in this,

04:10:37.230 --> 04:10:41.830
and incidentally, the average age of their
staff in the White House is somewhere in

04:10:41.830 --> 04:10:42.510
the 20s.

04:10:42.630 --> 04:10:44.630
I know where you're headed.

04:10:44.970 --> 04:10:50.690
And the same thing, the plan is in our
structure to replace the old timers with a

04:10:50.690 --> 04:10:51.970
massive influx of youth.

04:10:51.970 --> 04:10:53.430
Do you see that happening, friend?

04:10:53.730 --> 04:10:55.510
Absolutely, that's what's going on,
Bob.

04:10:55.590 --> 04:11:00.310
So we are in for enormous changes,
and after Hitler's Hitler youth,

04:11:00.370 --> 04:11:04.390
then they went into labor service for two
years, and what do we see but Bill Clinton

04:11:04.390 --> 04:11:08.950
promoting the labor service program,
a two-year labor service program for

04:11:08.950 --> 04:11:10.890
college students in America.

04:11:11.430 --> 04:11:16.150
Hitler started out with 100,000 in the
Hitler youth, and before long there were

04:11:16.150 --> 04:11:19.710
over 7 million, and finally he demanded
that every youth be in it.

04:11:20.570 --> 04:11:27.630
Bill Clinton starting out with 150,000 in
the labor service program, and projecting

04:11:27.630 --> 04:11:29.050
a massive expansion.

04:11:29.590 --> 04:11:33.770
We are seeing what happened in Germany
being played out not only philosophically

04:11:33.770 --> 04:11:39.530
but mechanically and governmentally now
with the imposition of a whole new way of

04:11:39.530 --> 04:11:43.750
thinking that is alien to the faith of
Scripture that is going on.

04:11:44.930 --> 04:11:49.450
Bob, that's staggering, but I tell you,
we see what's happening in our nation

04:11:49.450 --> 04:11:51.490
going on in the conference corporate
structure.

04:11:51.590 --> 04:11:52.930
It's amazing to see the parallels.

04:11:53.010 --> 04:11:53.970
That's the point, John.

04:11:54.090 --> 04:11:58.490
Not only have these people been affected
by the thinking of their generation,

04:11:58.630 --> 04:12:03.150
which was molded by Jesuit thought,
but our own leaders were affected by it.

04:12:03.330 --> 04:12:06.950
Do you know John, when Youth Instructor
was given up and Insight Magazine came

04:12:06.950 --> 04:12:06.970
out?

04:12:06.970 --> 04:12:07.130
Yeah.

04:12:07.430 --> 04:12:09.290
It was right at the end of the 60s.

04:12:09.350 --> 04:12:14.450
And my father went to the man at the
general conference who was in charge of

04:12:14.450 --> 04:12:16.430
this and asked, Why are you doing this?

04:12:16.870 --> 04:12:20.870
And he said, Well, the youth take the
Youth Instructor and they throw it on the

04:12:20.870 --> 04:12:22.890
ground and they spit on it and they stomp
on it.

04:12:23.070 --> 04:12:26.450
Well, is that why you give up the word of
God?

04:12:27.270 --> 04:12:29.270
So they do that with the Bible.

04:12:29.890 --> 04:12:31.090
The spirit of prophecy.

04:12:32.570 --> 04:12:34.290
Oh, the rationale that is used.

04:12:34.470 --> 04:12:37.950
Okay, tell us about Janet Reno's
unprecedented demand that all the U.S.

04:12:38.070 --> 04:12:38.730
attorneys resign.

04:12:39.470 --> 04:12:40.890
What's the bottom of all that?

04:12:40.890 --> 04:12:42.470
Well, that's part of the same picture.

04:12:43.110 --> 04:12:47.970
They are wanting to bring in an entire new
legal system.

04:12:48.750 --> 04:12:51.710
And when we look at what's happening with
the environmental movement, the

04:12:51.710 --> 04:12:56.370
environmental movement is providing a
framework of environmental law that is

04:12:56.370 --> 04:12:57.590
transnational.

04:12:57.950 --> 04:12:58.690
That is global.

04:12:58.890 --> 04:13:03.250
Because if you burn something over here,
the impact of it is going to land over

04:13:03.250 --> 04:13:03.630
there.

04:13:04.110 --> 04:13:11.650
And so we have these environmental laws
with draconian penalties attached to them.

04:13:12.030 --> 04:13:16.350
You know, you kill a bird and you may wind
up with a fiercer penalty than if you kill

04:13:16.350 --> 04:13:16.810
a man.

04:13:17.470 --> 04:13:22.210
And so, what they are interested in doing
is eliminating all the United States

04:13:22.210 --> 04:13:26.070
attorneys that were from previous
generations so they can put their own

04:13:26.070 --> 04:13:27.130
stamp on the whole system.

04:13:27.270 --> 04:13:28.810
And this is unprecedented.

04:13:29.110 --> 04:13:36.330
I have the transcripts here from the news
program, the interviews that were done on

04:13:36.330 --> 04:13:36.570
this.

04:13:36.650 --> 04:13:43.170
And this is completely unprecedented to
bring in a whole new slate of U.S.

04:13:43.270 --> 04:13:43.550
attorneys.

04:13:43.850 --> 04:13:48.710
And their reason is they want to put a new
stamp on the whole system.

04:14:17.950 --> 04:14:20.590
...and the International Year of Youth
Evangelism.

04:14:21.150 --> 04:14:25.910
Next year will be the International Year
of the Family coinciding with the United

04:14:25.910 --> 04:14:28.930
Nations International Year of the Family
celebration.

04:14:29.990 --> 04:14:30.550
Exactly.

04:14:31.010 --> 04:14:32.170
Right on track.

04:14:32.410 --> 04:14:33.050
Right on track.

04:14:33.210 --> 04:14:34.810
Okay, tell us about Bosnia.

04:14:35.050 --> 04:14:36.970
How does that relate to the Jesuit agenda?

04:14:37.310 --> 04:14:41.070
Well, that's very interesting,
John, because in World War II the

04:14:41.070 --> 04:14:46.250
Croatians separated away from the Serbians
in Yugoslavia and proclaimed themselves a

04:14:46.250 --> 04:14:47.110
Nazi state.

04:14:47.750 --> 04:14:53.770
And then the Ustashe death squads,
headed by priests and supported by nuns,

04:14:54.010 --> 04:14:57.270
exterminated somewhere between
three-quarters of a million and one

04:14:57.270 --> 04:15:01.050
million Serbs in the worst genocide in
World War II.

04:15:01.470 --> 04:15:04.910
The Serbs determined that that would never
happen again and they became the most

04:15:04.910 --> 04:15:09.090
heavily fortified sector of the European
population.

04:15:09.670 --> 04:15:13.030
And even though of course we can't go
along with the atrocities that they are

04:15:13.030 --> 04:15:16.850
committing, I think we're getting to a
large degree a one-sided story,

04:15:16.970 --> 04:15:20.370
possibly, through the media, because
incidentally the media was to be

04:15:20.370 --> 04:15:22.310
controlled, according to Cecil Rhodes.

04:15:22.630 --> 04:15:26.090
This is part of the whole plan,
and when you look at who is on the Council

04:15:26.090 --> 04:15:29.910
on Foreign Relations in the media,
like we did in the previous Jesuit agenda,

04:15:29.990 --> 04:15:31.230
you see how that works.

04:15:31.870 --> 04:15:38.530
At any rate, we have now another
unprecedented move that was proclaimed to

04:15:38.530 --> 04:15:43.710
be unprecedented in the news, where we had
about a dozen Foreign Service personnel.

04:15:43.810 --> 04:15:45.370
Remember what I said about Foreign
Service?

04:15:45.750 --> 04:15:50.550
Most of them appear to be trained by the
premier school of Foreign Service,

04:15:51.150 --> 04:15:53.310
Georgetown University, a Jesuit
university.

04:15:53.970 --> 04:15:59.430
These dozen, in an unprecedented move,
called upon Clinton to take military

04:15:59.430 --> 04:16:00.690
action in Bosnia.

04:16:01.090 --> 04:16:06.330
Now, the European nations have been very
hesitant to go ahead and the Clinton

04:16:06.330 --> 04:16:12.210
administration is getting much more
hawk-like moving us in that direction,

04:16:12.310 --> 04:16:16.330
which is very interesting, John,
because when Bill was young, he was part

04:16:16.330 --> 04:16:19.670
of a peace movement, an anti-war movement,
led by Jesuits.

04:16:20.010 --> 04:16:25.490
Now, those who have been influenced by
Jesuit thinking and Foreign Service are

04:16:25.490 --> 04:16:27.130
pushing him in the direction of war.

04:16:27.470 --> 04:16:29.330
So, it's a very interesting situation.

04:16:29.450 --> 04:16:33.190
That's incredible that the Catholic Church
is even involved in this situation in

04:16:33.190 --> 04:16:33.650
Bosnia.

04:16:33.770 --> 04:16:34.590
Oh, very much so.

04:16:34.610 --> 04:16:35.510
They're trying to control the media.

04:16:35.610 --> 04:16:37.570
Not only trying to control, they are
controlling the media.

04:16:37.990 --> 04:16:42.050
And I've heard from several sources that
we are not hearing what is really going on

04:16:42.050 --> 04:16:43.190
in Bosnia at all.

04:16:43.610 --> 04:16:46.510
You know, we as Americans think that we
hear everything straight, you know,

04:16:46.550 --> 04:16:49.990
and that our newsmen wouldn't think of
lying to us, you know, and the freedom of

04:16:49.990 --> 04:16:50.330
speech.

04:16:50.650 --> 04:16:52.250
Listen, don't believe that, folks.

04:16:52.290 --> 04:16:56.970
We are being led down the garden path by
our country, as well as by the corporate

04:16:56.970 --> 04:16:57.350
structure.

04:16:57.530 --> 04:17:04.530
A major focus of the elite secret society
established by Cecil Rhodes, and

04:17:04.530 --> 04:17:08.730
incidentally, they were working toward
appeasement with Hitler, at the time of

04:17:08.730 --> 04:17:08.950
Hitler.

04:17:09.790 --> 04:17:15.690
A major focus is propaganda and the
control of education and the media.

04:17:16.610 --> 04:17:21.610
Tell me, Bob, about the tragedy we have
seen here so very recently, the conclusion

04:17:21.610 --> 04:17:27.530
of the David Koresh Waco incident,
the Branch Davidians.

04:17:29.510 --> 04:17:33.270
Vance Farrell, Pilgrim's Rest,
came out with something that somehow the

04:17:33.270 --> 04:17:35.990
General Conference was involved in this
somehow?

04:17:36.510 --> 04:17:38.470
Yeah, Vance has been doing some research
on that.

04:17:38.550 --> 04:17:43.130
He's putting out a book, I understand,
and here are some quotes that are from the

04:17:43.130 --> 04:17:44.990
book that is soon to be released.

04:17:46.230 --> 04:17:50.110
I'll just read his passage here that he
released.

04:17:52.270 --> 04:17:58.210
The February 28, 1993 Waco shootout
followed an eight-month investigation by

04:17:58.210 --> 04:18:04.510
the ATF, that's the Alcohol Tobacco
Firearms, and the Waco Tribune Herald.

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We now know that Shirley Burton,
you remember her?

04:18:07.550 --> 04:18:09.890
Oh, she's the head of the Public Relations
of the General Conference.

04:18:09.970 --> 04:18:14.890
Well, she was one of those along with
Herbert Ford that told the media at the

04:18:14.890 --> 04:18:19.070
time of the General Conference session in
Indianapolis that those who still adhere

04:18:19.070 --> 04:18:23.610
to the General Conference interpretation
of end-time events only number about a

04:18:23.610 --> 04:18:24.970
thousand in North America.

04:18:25.150 --> 04:18:29.810
Now, you said the General Conference,
you said that those who adhere to our

04:18:29.810 --> 04:18:31.810
historic Adventist beliefs...

04:18:32.370 --> 04:18:35.870
The Great Controversy Perspective that
Ellen White has regarding...

04:18:35.870 --> 04:18:37.030
Ah, the Great Controversy Perspective...

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Did I say General Conference?

04:18:37.790 --> 04:18:38.530
I'm sorry.

04:18:38.910 --> 04:18:43.710
The Great Controversy Perspective of
end-time events portrayed in Great

04:18:43.710 --> 04:18:47.350
Controversy, that there are only about a
thousand that still believe in it now.

04:18:47.850 --> 04:18:50.010
And that was from the spokespeople from
the General Conference.

04:18:50.110 --> 04:18:54.210
Anyway, she of the General Conference was
instrumental in getting the investigation

04:18:54.210 --> 04:18:54.890
started.

04:18:55.570 --> 04:18:58.950
Shirley Burton, Director of Communications
for the General Conference of Seventh-day

04:18:58.950 --> 04:19:02.770
Adventists, which is headquartered in
Silver Spring, Maryland, says that in the

04:19:02.770 --> 04:19:07.050
early spring of 1992, she warned
government authorities that something

04:19:07.050 --> 04:19:09.190
terrible was going to happen at the Waco
compound.

04:19:09.690 --> 04:19:11.630
She told them to go there and do
something.

04:19:11.810 --> 04:19:14.810
Here are two reports, both of which
originated in her office.

04:19:14.910 --> 04:19:20.470
The first one is from Shirley Burton to
Media Inquirers, March 2, 1983.

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It should be 1993, I think.

04:19:22.950 --> 04:19:23.470
Was it a typo?

04:19:23.530 --> 04:19:24.130
Yeah, a typo.

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1993.

04:19:25.890 --> 04:19:28.670
February, March, and April 1992.

04:19:29.370 --> 04:19:31.210
Wild rumors, I'm quoting now from her.

04:19:31.370 --> 04:19:35.490
Wild rumors began to circulate in the
media in California and Australia.

04:19:35.770 --> 04:19:39.830
I began soliciting and accumulating
information on the group after a panicked

04:19:39.830 --> 04:19:43.210
call very early the Saturday morning
before Easter Sunday.

04:19:43.850 --> 04:19:48.570
Australian media had reported that Howell
Koresh Jezreel had called for a suicide

04:19:48.570 --> 04:19:52.510
martyrdom on Easter morning as a supreme
sacrifice to God.

04:19:52.510 --> 04:19:56.110
Media exposure and law enforcement
awareness seemed to have thwarted the

04:19:56.110 --> 04:19:56.530
plans.

04:19:56.970 --> 04:19:59.010
There was no apparent news of them
thereafter.

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And then the next quote is from the
Washington Post, March 3, 1993.

04:20:04.090 --> 04:20:07.370
Notice this is just a couple days after
the shootout at Waco.

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The morning before Easter last year,
Shirley Burton, this is now Washington

04:20:12.390 --> 04:20:16.930
Post, Shirley Burton, spokeswoman for the
Seventh-day Adventist Church, said she got

04:20:16.930 --> 04:20:18.150
a terrifying phone call.

04:20:18.730 --> 04:20:22.950
On the line was a church official in
Australia, relaying a warning that the

04:20:22.950 --> 04:20:27.210
next day an explosion of violence would
occur in a Waco, Texas cult that included

04:20:27.210 --> 04:20:28.770
dozens of former Adventists.

04:20:29.170 --> 04:20:31.670
The man got the warning from parents of a
cult member.

04:20:32.250 --> 04:20:35.810
The parents had just worded that there
would be a suicide massacre, Burton said,

04:20:36.270 --> 04:20:41.490
adding that her mind filled with images of
the 1978 murder-suicide of Jim Jones and

04:20:41.490 --> 04:20:43.090
900 of his followers in Guyana.

04:20:43.610 --> 04:20:47.050
Church authorities tipped off Waco police
and Easter passed without incident.

04:20:47.450 --> 04:20:51.390
But peace came to a bloody end this past
Sunday when sect members began a shootout

04:20:51.390 --> 04:20:52.290
with federal agents.

04:20:53.070 --> 04:21:01.170
And then, from Newsweek, March 15,
1993, last spring, officials of the

04:21:01.170 --> 04:21:04.130
Seventh-day Adventist Church heard from
colleagues in Sydney that the Branch

04:21:04.130 --> 04:21:06.610
Davidians were planning a mass suicide for
Easter Sunday.

04:21:07.130 --> 04:21:10.810
About the same time, the State Department
got word from sources in Australia that

04:21:10.810 --> 04:21:14.210
Koresh's group was stockpiling arms and
planning suicide.

04:21:14.670 --> 04:21:18.610
State passed it on to ATF, which began its
investigation in June.

04:21:19.050 --> 04:21:24.970
So it seems that the General Conference
was the agent that started the

04:21:24.970 --> 04:21:25.790
investigation.

04:21:25.790 --> 04:21:26.990
Can you believe this?

04:21:27.070 --> 04:21:33.050
The General Conference was the ones who
were instrumental and tipped off ATF and

04:21:33.050 --> 04:21:37.050
the law enforcement and were instrumental
in this Waco tragedy.

04:21:37.130 --> 04:21:40.350
And now they're comparing all of us,
the independent ministries.

04:21:40.490 --> 04:21:45.870
I have two letters right now from church
pastors, newsletters of their congregation

04:21:45.870 --> 04:21:48.950
comparing the independent ministries to
the Waco cult.

04:21:49.170 --> 04:21:52.290
It has happened all over, John.

04:21:52.370 --> 04:21:55.910
We have heard reports from all over the
world that now...

04:21:56.330 --> 04:21:58.630
Notice how Satan uses this kind of a
thing.

04:21:59.350 --> 04:22:03.750
Basically, what we have is allegations
against Koresh.

04:22:04.030 --> 04:22:07.270
And they're allegations, is what they are,
and we have to remember that.

04:22:07.850 --> 04:22:11.390
And how much they were trumped up beyond
reality, we don't know.

04:22:11.390 --> 04:22:12.950
And we'll probably never know fully.

04:22:13.670 --> 04:22:19.770
But the devil loves to use this kind of
thing so that he can then compare that to

04:22:19.770 --> 04:22:26.210
others that are not part of his strategy
to bring everyone together in the

04:22:26.210 --> 04:22:27.090
ecumenical movement.

04:22:27.410 --> 04:22:32.250
So people are horrified and terrified to
be considered anything different than

04:22:32.250 --> 04:22:36.230
mainline ecumenical church members.

04:22:36.830 --> 04:22:40.770
And so the leadership of our church,
we heard report after report of them going

04:22:40.770 --> 04:22:44.410
to the media, or the media coming to them,
and they would give a report saying,

04:22:44.870 --> 04:22:48.870
Oh, we are in the middle of the mainstream
of the churches.

04:22:49.810 --> 04:22:56.630
And the very next day after the incident
began at Waco, a conference president went

04:22:56.630 --> 04:23:02.790
on the air and likened the independents,
anyone that separates from the main body,

04:23:03.230 --> 04:23:05.930
as being like David Koresh.

04:23:06.330 --> 04:23:09.050
Well now, what in the world is that kind
of thinking?

04:23:09.150 --> 04:23:11.450
We are to orient to the Word of God.

04:23:11.830 --> 04:23:13.330
That's our orientation point.

04:23:13.790 --> 04:23:14.550
Not the structure.

04:23:14.910 --> 04:23:15.010
Amen.

04:23:15.470 --> 04:23:16.230
Not a structure.

04:23:16.550 --> 04:23:16.670
Amen.

04:23:17.710 --> 04:23:23.790
And so mainline Adventism has to be
defined and determined by the Word of God.

04:23:23.950 --> 04:23:26.490
Not by a structure that can change.

04:23:26.610 --> 04:23:30.530
We know the papacy was a structure that
went into deep apostasy.

04:23:31.070 --> 04:23:34.230
And so our reference point always has to
be the Word of God.

04:23:35.990 --> 04:23:37.450
You know, this is so

04:23:40.890 --> 04:23:46.010
incredible that they are trying to label
us all with David Koresh and Waco.

04:23:46.130 --> 04:23:50.110
But I guess, Bob, we've just got to
realize it's going to get a whole lot

04:23:50.110 --> 04:23:50.850
worse than this.

04:23:51.130 --> 04:23:56.330
They are going to try to malign us and
smear us and tie us in with every devious

04:23:56.990 --> 04:23:58.850
deceptive thing on the face of the earth.

04:23:59.050 --> 04:24:00.710
This is just the beginning of woes.

04:24:00.830 --> 04:24:03.910
This is just... Well, John, you know,
it's interesting to see what happens to

04:24:03.910 --> 04:24:04.450
society.

04:24:04.690 --> 04:24:05.770
We're sitting here at Mt.

04:24:05.830 --> 04:24:11.170
Rushmore and when we look at those faces
there of Washington, Jefferson,

04:24:12.350 --> 04:24:14.910
and Lincoln, and Teddy Roosevelt.

04:24:16.150 --> 04:24:21.030
Back in the early days of our country,
we had a society that was oriented to the

04:24:21.030 --> 04:24:21.370
Word of God.

04:24:21.450 --> 04:24:22.910
They believed in a creator God.

04:24:23.210 --> 04:24:27.430
They had a deep orientation to biblical
morality.

04:24:27.990 --> 04:24:31.970
But that has been devastated through the
agencies that we've been discussing in

04:24:31.970 --> 04:24:33.030
Jesuit Agenda tapes.

04:24:33.770 --> 04:24:37.150
And so now we have a situation similar to
what happened in Germany just before

04:24:37.150 --> 04:24:41.470
Hitler took control, where you have the
left wing and the right wing and virtually

04:24:41.470 --> 04:24:50.290
no one who is a stable Bible-believing
Christian who is oriented in submission to

04:24:50.290 --> 04:24:54.610
the Word of the Lord, like the entire
society was to a large extent back in

04:24:54.610 --> 04:24:55.230
those days.

04:24:55.490 --> 04:24:59.910
Now we've got the left wing pushing us
toward socialism with our government.

04:25:00.630 --> 04:25:04.010
We've got the right wing radicals.

04:25:04.090 --> 04:25:07.650
But where we have to be is right there
with the Word of God.

04:25:08.530 --> 04:25:14.150
Mainline Adventism, right there with the
Word of God and submission to Jesus in the

04:25:14.150 --> 04:25:15.110
everlasting gospel.

04:25:15.470 --> 04:25:18.390
Well, Bob, it's so plain that this is the
beginning of sorrows.

04:25:18.450 --> 04:25:22.630
And we have to strengthen each other and
stand together as historic Adventists.

04:25:22.650 --> 04:25:24.130
And we are mainstream Adventists.

04:25:24.150 --> 04:25:26.290
This is the mainstream Adventism.

04:25:26.290 --> 04:25:28.970
Mainstream does not mean the majority.

04:25:29.390 --> 04:25:31.890
Mainstream means our historic Adventist
beliefs.

04:25:32.390 --> 04:25:36.990
And I tell you, as we realize how things
are shaping up so quickly, we as historic

04:25:36.990 --> 04:25:42.530
Adventists are beginning to see just how
the devil is manipulating society and the

04:25:42.530 --> 04:25:51.410
corporate structure to put us into a
persecuted environment to where people

04:25:51.410 --> 04:25:55.290
will come against us thinking that they
are doing God's service by doing away with

04:25:55.290 --> 04:25:55.290
us.

04:25:55.290 --> 04:25:57.010
And this has happened to Adventists all
over.

04:25:57.110 --> 04:26:03.970
We have had loads of reports of people
saying, you know, this thing has actually

04:26:03.970 --> 04:26:07.150
backfired against the general content to a
large degree.

04:26:07.590 --> 04:26:12.950
And yet, John, if there are indeed Jesuits
functioning there, we're seeing the

04:26:12.950 --> 04:26:14.050
evidence of Jesuit infiltration.

04:26:14.050 --> 04:26:15.490
We're sure seeing the evidence of it.

04:26:15.550 --> 04:26:18.570
Of their thought patterns and
philosophies, and that's what we've been

04:26:18.570 --> 04:26:18.970
discussing.

04:26:19.610 --> 04:26:25.310
But actual Jesuit infiltrators would be
happy to have the name smeared of the

04:26:26.230 --> 04:26:28.150
institution they're trying to destroy.

04:26:28.670 --> 04:26:33.950
And they can kill two birds with one
stone, try to liken the independence to

04:26:33.950 --> 04:26:38.090
Koresh, and also smear the general name of
Seventh-day Adventism.

04:26:38.330 --> 04:26:41.210
Tell me how the ATF plays in all this,
Bob.

04:26:41.490 --> 04:26:43.510
You know, this is part of the war on
drugs.

04:26:43.650 --> 04:26:50.330
It is very interesting that 60 Minutes put
out a documentary on the ATF for about 20

04:26:50.330 --> 04:26:52.190
minutes of one of their 60 Minutes
programs.

04:26:53.130 --> 04:26:54.890
And they showed a dear old couple.

04:26:55.710 --> 04:26:58.110
The couple could hardly tell of the
experience.

04:26:58.250 --> 04:26:59.410
They were still so shaken.

04:27:00.310 --> 04:27:02.070
And they lived way out in the country.

04:27:02.230 --> 04:27:03.650
They had a lovely ranch home there.

04:27:03.710 --> 04:27:05.530
They had a friendly dog.

04:27:06.410 --> 04:27:11.110
But one night, there were eight burly men
that came and started beating the door

04:27:11.110 --> 04:27:11.410
down.

04:27:11.910 --> 04:27:13.810
And they demanded that the door be opened.

04:27:13.870 --> 04:27:15.450
And this man said, I'm not going to open
the door.

04:27:15.510 --> 04:27:16.610
I don't know who you are.

04:27:17.990 --> 04:27:19.770
Isn't that what you would do?

04:27:20.010 --> 04:27:21.730
So they smashed the door down.

04:27:21.850 --> 04:27:22.830
They grabbed the man.

04:27:22.930 --> 04:27:25.750
They smashed down another door at the
place.

04:27:26.310 --> 04:27:29.310
They grabbed the man, tied him up,
threw him in a room, threw his wife in

04:27:29.310 --> 04:27:32.390
another room, ransacked the house,
searched it through and through,

04:27:32.830 --> 04:27:34.810
and didn't find a thing.

04:27:35.610 --> 04:27:39.870
And they showed another man who had,
in the middle of the night, they even shot

04:27:39.870 --> 04:27:40.970
through his front door.

04:27:41.770 --> 04:27:42.210
Innocent.

04:27:42.470 --> 04:27:43.210
Innocent case.

04:27:43.330 --> 04:27:48.770
The man's shoulder has been largely
wrecked for the rest of his life.

04:27:48.870 --> 04:27:50.350
And he's suing the government now.

04:27:50.770 --> 04:27:52.250
And they showed case after case.

04:27:52.370 --> 04:27:57.370
And what is happening, John, is a very
interesting thing because ATF is using

04:27:57.370 --> 04:28:00.870
drug tip-off men who are criminals
themselves.

04:28:01.030 --> 04:28:02.430
Taking their word against...

04:28:02.430 --> 04:28:05.350
And they are given immunity in return for
working with them.

04:28:05.450 --> 04:28:07.230
And they are deeply into drugs themselves.

04:28:07.790 --> 04:28:10.190
60 Minutes said they don't know how many
millions.

04:28:10.270 --> 04:28:12.070
They said it could be going to infinity.

04:28:12.070 --> 04:28:16.210
The amount of corruption is actually being
carried out by these informants

04:28:16.210 --> 04:28:16.630
themselves.

04:28:17.010 --> 04:28:18.610
And the informants will give bad tips.

04:28:18.910 --> 04:28:22.030
And then innocent people will be attacked
in the middle of the night.

04:28:22.150 --> 04:28:28.190
And our constitutional freedoms are being
rapidly erased by the war on drugs.

04:28:28.310 --> 04:28:31.890
What about Shirley Burton or any other
spokesman for the General Conference or

04:28:31.890 --> 04:28:37.730
for any local conference calling and
telling law enforcement, ATF, about these

04:28:37.730 --> 04:28:40.070
independent ministers, about these cults
that are out there.

04:28:40.070 --> 04:28:41.630
And they are worse than David Korsh.

04:28:41.670 --> 04:28:45.070
I have several letters that say we are
worse than David Korsh.

04:28:45.490 --> 04:28:47.590
And tipping off law enforcement.

04:28:48.010 --> 04:28:52.950
And that's why it says, in Spalding
McGann's collection, page 5 I believe it

04:28:52.950 --> 04:28:57.630
is, where Mrs. White tells us that our own
people will sell us out to the Catholics.

04:28:57.770 --> 04:28:59.610
Our own brothers will be our worst
persecutors.

04:29:00.190 --> 04:29:04.770
And now the people who are passing out
great controversy are made out to be more

04:29:04.770 --> 04:29:07.530
dangerous people than David Korsh by our
structure.

04:29:07.530 --> 04:29:08.930
This is amazing.

04:29:09.130 --> 04:29:12.330
But we need to have great calm and peace
in the Lord.

04:29:12.710 --> 04:29:14.210
Jesus himself was maligned.

04:29:14.350 --> 04:29:16.090
They said he was demon possessed.

04:29:16.550 --> 04:29:18.510
He was possessed of the prince of demons.

04:29:18.930 --> 04:29:20.190
They said he's a demoniac.

04:29:20.310 --> 04:29:21.490
Why do you listen to him?

04:29:22.010 --> 04:29:23.970
And so Jesus has been through all of this.

04:29:24.290 --> 04:29:29.010
He's acquainted with everything that
troubles and annoys and is misrepresented

04:29:29.010 --> 04:29:31.190
on the part of the devil's agents.

04:29:31.290 --> 04:29:32.190
He's been through it all.

04:29:32.790 --> 04:29:37.830
And we can safely follow him through this
whole holocaust that is developing at the

04:29:37.830 --> 04:29:38.390
end of time.

04:29:38.490 --> 04:29:42.090
Well folks, we've got to read and study
like we've never read or studied before.

04:29:42.290 --> 04:29:45.730
We have got to press together like we have
never pressed together before.

04:29:46.070 --> 04:29:48.070
And I tell you, we don't need people
behind us.

04:29:48.110 --> 04:29:49.230
We need people with us.

04:29:49.630 --> 04:29:52.990
Shoulder to shoulder, standing together in
these trying hours of earth's history.

04:29:53.510 --> 04:29:55.090
Pray for us at Prophecy Countdown.

04:29:55.450 --> 04:29:57.330
Pray for them at Biblical Studies
Institute.

04:29:57.810 --> 04:29:59.090
Pray for them at Steps to Life.

04:29:59.150 --> 04:30:01.690
Those of us that are endeavoring to stand
firm for the truth.

04:30:02.050 --> 04:30:03.490
Our supporters, you dear people.

04:30:03.890 --> 04:30:06.030
Bob, thanks so much for being on this
video with us.

04:30:06.130 --> 04:30:07.810
Thanks so much for Jesuit Agenda 4.

04:30:07.950 --> 04:30:09.170
Thanks so much for this camp meeting.

04:30:09.650 --> 04:30:11.270
Thanks so much for standing for the truth.

04:30:11.370 --> 04:30:11.850
I love you.

04:30:12.350 --> 04:30:13.190
We love you too, John.

04:30:13.610 --> 04:30:15.130
It's been wonderful working with you.

04:30:15.210 --> 04:30:15.750
Thank you, Bob.

04:30:16.090 --> 04:30:18.770
Can't wait to get this video taped out to
our people.

04:30:18.870 --> 04:30:19.610
They're waiting for it.

04:30:19.830 --> 04:30:21.190
They need to be strengthened by it.

04:30:21.290 --> 04:30:21.870
Thank you.

04:30:22.230 --> 04:30:23.050
May God bless you.

04:30:25.150 --> 04:30:28.490
Well, Bob, we don't know how many of these
Jesuit Agenda videos we're going to have.

04:30:28.530 --> 04:30:30.610
Whether there's going to even be a Jesuit
Agenda 5.

04:30:31.190 --> 04:30:33.070
But we're glad that you're here.

04:30:33.270 --> 04:30:36.370
Glad that you shared with our Adventist
people what you did today.

04:30:36.870 --> 04:30:40.410
Until next time, Adventist friends,
may God bless you.