WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:03.640 And now, here is your host, Pastor Bob Bush. 00:04.740 --> 00:05.780 Good afternoon. 00:06.380 --> 00:10.120 I am Pastor Bob Bush, and with me on the line is Bill White. 00:10.400 --> 00:11.240 Bill, are you there? 00:11.640 --> 00:12.460 Yes, sir, I am. 00:12.620 --> 00:15.180 Oh, what a glorious day to preach the gospel of Jesus. 00:16.180 --> 00:17.540 Listeners, we were just praying. 00:17.820 --> 00:19.220 We're ready on the line here. 00:19.540 --> 00:23.260 And we were praying that hearts and minds be opened. 00:23.980 --> 00:28.800 And we just want to share the intent of our hearts and the desire that we have. 00:28.800 --> 00:34.560 It's the love of Jesus Christ that has spoken out over these airwaves for this 00:34.560 --> 00:35.300 next hour. 00:36.120 --> 00:38.880 There was a time when I was lost. 00:39.400 --> 00:40.960 I was in a lost condition. 00:41.540 --> 00:42.360 I felt it. 00:42.820 --> 00:43.640 I knew it. 00:44.560 --> 00:49.320 I was in a state of mental... I don't know what to say. 00:50.140 --> 00:52.160 Listeners, we need to explain these things. 00:52.260 --> 00:54.500 I was ordained a Jesuit Roman Catholic priest. 00:54.500 --> 00:57.780 There is Loyola University down there in Los Angeles. 00:58.140 --> 01:01.440 Santa Clara University up in Santa Clara. 01:02.120 --> 01:04.880 USF in San Francisco. 01:05.420 --> 01:06.600 Zag up in Spokane. 01:07.120 --> 01:10.280 I actually spent time at each one of those universities studying. 01:10.820 --> 01:12.860 Earned a Master of Arts through Santa Clara. 01:13.340 --> 01:16.740 And I learned Catholic theology. 01:18.260 --> 01:23.460 You can do it, listeners, if you go to Barnes and Nobles and get the Roman 01:23.460 --> 01:25.600 Catechism that came out in 1994. 01:26.340 --> 01:30.680 I was in theology when that theology was being put together. 01:31.320 --> 01:33.400 In my case, it was during Vatican II. 01:34.060 --> 01:36.060 Putting all these little pieces together. 01:36.680 --> 01:37.920 It's like a puzzle. 01:38.120 --> 01:40.940 And listeners today, we want to speak to your heart. 01:41.680 --> 01:44.780 We want to pray that God will touch your spirit. 01:45.600 --> 01:49.260 And by that you will be transformed spirit, soul, and body. 01:49.260 --> 01:53.080 Because we are three part beings, as the Bible tells us. 01:53.840 --> 01:56.020 You can go to Barnes and Nobles and get that book. 01:56.520 --> 01:57.660 And that's what I studied. 01:57.860 --> 02:01.520 And it's an extremely long, and it's actually a very difficult course. 02:02.040 --> 02:05.180 I did so well, they said, well, you know, you got to roam, get a degree, 02:05.520 --> 02:07.820 and pass these things on. 02:08.840 --> 02:12.220 I want to just tell you what happened. 02:12.860 --> 02:14.500 And if you are like this, call us up. 02:14.740 --> 02:18.580 Like was announced, 805-928-7707. 02:18.580 --> 02:21.380 I'd like to give the address, it's Pastor Bob Bush and Joan. 02:21.960 --> 02:27.860 Petalbox 296, Oakdale, CA 95361. 02:28.120 --> 02:30.000 That's where we begin our broadcast today. 02:30.480 --> 02:31.660 But you can call us up. 02:32.060 --> 02:34.000 If any of this rings a bell with you. 02:35.540 --> 02:37.200 I was in Rome studying. 02:38.400 --> 02:42.980 And I talked to the Jesuit who was in charge of missionaries to Africa. 02:44.700 --> 02:46.780 This was so pivotal in my life. 02:46.780 --> 02:50.120 And I just praise God now that it worked out the way it did. 02:50.720 --> 02:54.500 I didn't go to Africa because all I could teach them is Vatican II. 02:55.460 --> 02:57.720 And it hadn't freed me. 02:58.740 --> 03:02.160 It hadn't put me in a right relationship with God. 03:02.920 --> 03:05.340 And that's where there's a huge difference. 03:05.920 --> 03:10.760 And that's what we love to explain and talk to you about, pray with you about. 03:12.260 --> 03:15.120 I was telling Bill before we began this broadcast. 03:15.720 --> 03:18.680 I feel like one of the fishermen at the Sea of Galilee. 03:18.880 --> 03:19.840 And Jesus came by. 03:20.740 --> 03:23.620 And he looked at me and he said, follow me. 03:25.000 --> 03:27.060 What a beautiful thing when that happens. 03:27.860 --> 03:29.240 And he came into my heart. 03:30.100 --> 03:32.600 And then he told me, preach the word. 03:32.700 --> 03:33.900 That's a verse out of the Bible. 03:34.760 --> 03:38.960 And then he told me, the great commission as he told Bill who's on the line too. 03:38.960 --> 03:42.300 Go and make disciples of all the nations. 03:43.280 --> 03:46.260 And what this broadcast is about, how to make a disciple. 03:47.200 --> 03:48.860 So I ask you as a challenge. 03:49.200 --> 03:50.640 And we know there are clergy listening. 03:51.480 --> 03:52.980 There are people praying for you. 03:53.360 --> 03:56.120 Priests, sisters, brothers, lay people in the church. 03:56.480 --> 03:58.500 Some have called us, others listening today. 03:59.040 --> 03:59.880 Pray about this. 04:00.380 --> 04:01.120 Pray about this. 04:01.180 --> 04:02.000 How do you disciple? 04:02.000 --> 04:04.540 Is it the R-C-I-A? 04:05.200 --> 04:07.000 And many, many Catholic dogmas? 04:07.540 --> 04:08.800 Or the Bible alone? 04:09.840 --> 04:11.940 They have a Latin phrase for it. 04:12.300 --> 04:13.340 Sola, which means alone. 04:13.780 --> 04:15.520 Sola Scriptura, Bible alone. 04:16.360 --> 04:20.300 Oh, I tell you, to have your feet planted in that with a relationship with Jesus. 04:20.840 --> 04:22.160 Is such good news. 04:22.920 --> 04:25.320 And many of your listeners know I'm in a wheelchair. 04:26.140 --> 04:28.120 Quadriplegic, had an unsuccessful surgery. 04:28.760 --> 04:31.980 But there's a joy, a pervading joy in my heart. 04:32.660 --> 04:34.980 That Jesus has changed my life. 04:36.400 --> 04:40.240 Bill, I think we need to talk, you know, today just for our listeners. 04:41.220 --> 04:42.980 You know, in any area like... 04:44.920 --> 04:46.920 First of all, I'd like to just give you an opportunity. 04:47.360 --> 04:48.520 There are always new listeners. 04:49.020 --> 04:50.640 Bill, would you just give a little bit of your testimony? 04:50.980 --> 04:54.480 Your wonderful wife and where you were in. 04:54.900 --> 04:58.100 You know, I think some people might say, oh, did this just happen easily? 04:58.200 --> 05:01.740 I believe in your case, you had kind of a bumpy road before you had this 05:01.740 --> 05:01.960 relationship. 05:03.660 --> 05:04.980 That is true. 05:06.120 --> 05:11.180 I grew up in the Roman Catholic system, New York. 05:11.340 --> 05:14.240 I was born in Astoria, Queens, moved out to Long Island. 05:16.040 --> 05:18.120 And, you know, I went to religious instruction. 05:18.840 --> 05:21.240 So I grew up with the Roman Catholic catechism. 05:21.960 --> 05:23.280 And that was my teaching. 05:23.860 --> 05:28.280 And growing up, I always wondered where I would go after I died. 05:28.280 --> 05:33.140 And you know, as well as I do, that we were taught about the doctrine of 05:33.140 --> 05:34.200 purgatory. 05:34.980 --> 05:39.240 And that was one of the main teachings of the Catholic Church and still is. 05:39.880 --> 05:43.920 Bill, don't want to interrupt, but there are many people in the Santa 05:43.920 --> 05:47.520 Maria area listening to the Jackson trial down there. 05:48.240 --> 05:51.080 And I think we just take a moment to explain, what is that doctrine? 05:51.560 --> 05:52.740 It sounds like, what? 05:53.000 --> 05:55.160 They might think that means, who knows? 05:55.320 --> 05:56.760 They might think all kinds of thoughts. 05:56.760 --> 06:01.860 Maybe if you could refine it a bit, that after we die, this is Catholic 06:01.860 --> 06:02.340 belief. 06:02.840 --> 06:04.540 The Pope who just died believed this. 06:05.060 --> 06:05.340 Right. 06:05.780 --> 06:09.260 Basically, it's like a waiting room. 06:09.760 --> 06:15.480 Sometimes the Roman Catholic people refer to it as the Holy Ghost Hospital, 06:15.760 --> 06:17.580 and where people are actually tormented. 06:17.880 --> 06:20.300 And, you know, there are those that will tell you it's not in effect today. 06:20.300 --> 06:24.860 But I have been, you know, I get these catalogs from Roman Catholic publishers 06:24.860 --> 06:29.200 because once in a while I order a book just for research. 06:30.040 --> 06:31.480 And I just got one from them. 06:31.740 --> 06:35.500 And one of the books that they're advertising is called Stories About 06:35.500 --> 06:37.840 Purgatory and What They Reveal. 06:38.440 --> 06:42.880 It has the Roman Catholic imprimato, which means that they approve of 06:42.880 --> 06:45.520 everything in a book that is doctrinally sound. 06:46.700 --> 06:50.160 So we know that this is something that they believe today. 06:50.520 --> 06:52.580 And it talks about the suffering. 06:53.080 --> 06:58.760 It says they want the people to know first that it exists, second, that the souls 06:58.760 --> 07:04.340 detained there suffer long and excruciating pains just like those of 07:04.340 --> 07:04.740 hell. 07:05.260 --> 07:10.180 And thus they desperately need our prayers, suffrages, and mass intentions. 07:10.560 --> 07:11.920 And it goes on and on. 07:11.920 --> 07:17.080 So that's just the advertisement for that book concerning purgatory. 07:17.240 --> 07:18.720 And that's what I did grow up with. 07:19.340 --> 07:25.420 And I never thought that I could go to heaven. 07:26.640 --> 07:29.220 That was such a long shot for me. 07:29.800 --> 07:32.840 And purgatory was my best hope. 07:33.360 --> 07:36.480 And that's the way many Roman Catholics think. 07:36.980 --> 07:38.780 And so I grew up with that my whole life. 07:38.780 --> 07:42.100 And then we moved back to Queens. 07:42.300 --> 07:43.480 And I was an altar boy. 07:44.120 --> 07:46.440 And I would serve at the altar. 07:46.800 --> 07:50.520 We used to also do masses and funeral masses. 07:50.980 --> 07:52.820 And we did weddings. 07:53.260 --> 07:58.680 And I remember I liked the weddings because a lot of times the people would 07:58.680 --> 07:59.480 throw me a tip. 07:59.820 --> 08:02.840 That's why I liked being an altar boy, for weddings. 08:03.200 --> 08:06.880 But that's just something I did as a young man. 08:06.880 --> 08:09.700 I went through that whole system. 08:10.420 --> 08:13.640 Later on, in the 70s, I was searching for the truth. 08:14.260 --> 08:18.880 And I used to go out to this bookstore in the self-improvement section. 08:20.100 --> 08:23.060 And I had this insatiable desire to look for truth. 08:23.200 --> 08:24.440 I was looking at everything. 08:24.760 --> 08:27.700 And each time I got a book, I would think that I had the truth. 08:28.900 --> 08:30.960 And I bought tons of books. 08:31.740 --> 08:32.840 Later on, I met Kathy. 08:34.120 --> 08:37.080 We got married in 1981. 08:37.740 --> 08:41.140 And for a short period, we went through the Catholic charismatic movement, 08:41.620 --> 08:45.860 where they had things such as healing masses and so on and so forth. 08:46.240 --> 08:49.920 And that whole thing was slain in the spirit. 08:50.340 --> 08:54.120 Now, at the time, I thought all of this was legit. 08:54.300 --> 09:00.140 But everything that was going on at these healing masses was praying of the rosary, 09:00.140 --> 09:04.660 a constant praying of the rosary and giving glory to Mary. 09:05.480 --> 09:08.200 And so many people don't know about that. 09:08.320 --> 09:09.480 So there was a counterfeit. 09:09.940 --> 09:10.860 There was a counterfeit. 09:10.980 --> 09:12.540 I believe in the gifts of the Holy Spirit. 09:12.740 --> 09:14.480 But I came through that system. 09:14.780 --> 09:21.500 And many people, I believe, came out of the church because of the word of God. 09:21.580 --> 09:23.960 They were delivered by the truth that was in God's word. 09:23.960 --> 09:29.020 And long story short, Kathy and I were involved in the Medjugorje apparitions of 09:29.020 --> 09:29.400 Mary. 09:30.480 --> 09:34.480 We used to get videos and invite people into our home to watch the videos. 09:34.660 --> 09:40.180 We handed out literature on the streets for these apparitions of Mary. 09:41.700 --> 09:44.420 And then Kathy was born again. 09:44.500 --> 09:45.240 She got saved. 09:45.420 --> 09:49.400 We used to go to this Bible-believing church sometimes in the evening. 09:49.520 --> 09:51.940 We would go to Mass, Roman Catholic Mass, in the morning. 09:51.940 --> 09:56.700 But you see, it was the power of God's word that set us free. 09:56.980 --> 09:58.020 Kathy got saved. 09:58.200 --> 09:59.220 Kathy was born again. 09:59.820 --> 10:03.760 And she shared the gospel with me and different things. 10:03.920 --> 10:10.060 And she compared Scripture to these messages of what they say, who they say 10:10.060 --> 10:10.700 was Mary. 10:11.280 --> 10:18.560 And we were able to see and discern that the messages were not true because they 10:18.560 --> 10:21.060 contradicted the word of God. 10:21.060 --> 10:22.300 And that's the key right there. 10:22.420 --> 10:33.060 You can always discern the foundation or the root of the messenger by the message 10:33.060 --> 10:34.320 that is coming forth. 10:34.380 --> 10:35.060 And that's the key. 10:35.640 --> 10:40.940 And I would encourage the listener to search the Scriptures for themselves 10:40.940 --> 10:42.280 because that's the key. 10:42.600 --> 10:47.700 If it goes against the word of God, then you know that you're in some sort of 10:47.700 --> 10:48.160 deception. 10:49.300 --> 10:51.340 What a marvelous word to go out. 10:52.520 --> 10:55.960 In Acts 17, there's a group called Bereans. 10:56.540 --> 11:01.260 More noble than the rest because daily, I like it, right in God's word, 11:01.780 --> 11:07.920 daily they examine the Scriptures to see if the things that Paul was saying were 11:07.920 --> 11:08.260 so. 11:08.700 --> 11:10.320 Isn't that absolutely amazing? 11:10.320 --> 11:16.480 What a wonderful, incredible way. 11:16.980 --> 11:19.040 But this procedure is really being neglected. 11:19.560 --> 11:24.840 Last week, because I could not come to the radio and Bill was away, we played my 11:24.840 --> 11:27.860 testimony and a number of people requested it. 11:28.860 --> 11:33.260 And when my eyes started to open, it was when I went to India. 11:33.600 --> 11:34.640 It's all on that tape. 11:34.640 --> 11:43.060 And listeners, you could call the studio itself, area 805-928-7707. 11:43.460 --> 11:46.780 And just for a nominal amount, they'll send you a copy of that testimony. 11:47.320 --> 11:51.180 It's important to get that number out over the airwaves, all for the glory of God. 11:51.300 --> 11:55.300 But on that tape, I tell how it was difficult. 11:55.560 --> 11:59.100 And that's where our care and concern goes out for every listener today. 11:59.640 --> 12:03.360 This can mean the unmanning of your whole religious system. 12:03.360 --> 12:05.400 And that's actually what was happening. 12:06.120 --> 12:11.480 I had a very staunch mother and father, Catholics and generational, you know, 12:11.560 --> 12:15.000 behind them, behind their parents, grandparents, great-grandparents, 12:15.120 --> 12:15.540 like that. 12:15.980 --> 12:17.420 And a brother who's a priest. 12:19.940 --> 12:25.440 So when I went into it, I did not have the light that I have now, but we did this 12:25.440 --> 12:25.900 procedure. 12:26.100 --> 12:31.500 We had a team of people and we took issue after issue after issue. 12:31.500 --> 12:36.620 It's interesting that you mention Mary, because one of the issues that I took was, 12:36.780 --> 12:37.480 what about Mary? 12:38.320 --> 12:41.940 Well, I mean, we agree Mary in Scripture is wonderful. 12:42.460 --> 12:46.580 I mean, every word in there is fruitful and helpful and blessed for all of us. 12:47.060 --> 12:52.640 But the Catholic Church contradicts other scriptures when they start talking about 12:52.640 --> 12:52.960 Mary. 12:53.740 --> 12:56.440 Now, listeners, you need to, you know, do this. 12:56.800 --> 12:58.660 Do what Bill said, what I did. 12:58.660 --> 13:02.340 And then you will find your feet firmly planted in the Word of God. 13:03.560 --> 13:10.160 It says in the Bible, And Romans, and yet the Roman Catholic Church 13:10.160 --> 13:14.740 contradicts that and says she was immaculately conceived. 13:15.200 --> 13:15.660 It's her. 13:15.740 --> 13:19.140 It means she was conceived without sin and did not sin. 13:21.960 --> 13:24.420 There are listeners today that you're saying, really? 13:24.840 --> 13:25.960 Well, I just heard you. 13:26.880 --> 13:29.640 Just, you know, go ask the priest or phone them up. 13:30.600 --> 13:31.740 And they'll tell you that's correct. 13:31.820 --> 13:32.540 That's a dogma. 13:33.580 --> 13:39.240 No, when we're talking about dogmas, we're talking about infallibly defined 13:39.240 --> 13:40.120 truths. 13:40.700 --> 13:44.420 That if a Catholic denies it, then they are lost by definition. 13:45.220 --> 13:49.580 It's an article of faith so great that to deny it is to lose your salvation. 13:50.020 --> 13:51.460 That's all Catholic doctrine. 13:52.180 --> 13:55.160 So I was in India at that time. 13:55.580 --> 13:58.080 We had this beautiful group of people, really wonderful people. 13:58.580 --> 14:02.400 And we said, whatever the Word of God says, we're going to stay with that. 14:02.940 --> 14:07.440 And my eyes, it's like, you know, when you come out of the dark into the 14:07.440 --> 14:07.720 light. 14:08.100 --> 14:09.700 I think everybody relates to that. 14:10.020 --> 14:11.740 You squint your eyes, you know, the lights are bright. 14:12.280 --> 14:13.500 And that's kind of what it was. 14:13.800 --> 14:18.660 And I said, but what God says, what God says, what God says, help me. 14:19.160 --> 14:20.400 It's just the Word. 14:20.480 --> 14:21.580 I want to follow that Word. 14:23.260 --> 14:25.220 So my job, I went through the whole Bible. 14:25.720 --> 14:31.020 And I found God never, ever told us to pray to anyone else besides Himself. 14:31.580 --> 14:36.340 And He promises us, like in Jeremiah 33, that He will hear and answer our prayers. 14:36.840 --> 14:40.680 All over the New Testament, Jesus says, you know, He will hear and answer our 14:40.680 --> 14:41.020 prayers. 14:41.380 --> 14:43.280 We go directly to God. 14:43.800 --> 14:47.100 But when you're not born again, then you need a mediator. 14:47.100 --> 14:50.040 And Mary is a mediator for Catholics. 14:50.820 --> 14:54.120 And she was a big mediator for the Pope. 14:55.540 --> 14:58.480 Listeners, we've seen so much about the death and burial of the Pope. 14:59.720 --> 15:09.480 On his wooden, you know, coffin that he was in, I don't know how many listeners 15:09.480 --> 15:12.060 noticed, but there was a cross on there. 15:12.380 --> 15:15.520 And at the bottom right-hand corner, a great big M. 15:16.060 --> 15:20.320 Because he believed that Mary was going to help him get to Heaven. 15:20.820 --> 15:22.200 He said that many times. 15:22.960 --> 15:27.420 And he also said, totus tuus, meaning that he is all hers. 15:27.800 --> 15:31.300 Totus tuus Maria in English means, all yours, Mary. 15:33.020 --> 15:38.060 This is, Bill, isn't it something that, you know, I know I can just only imagine 15:38.060 --> 15:38.820 what you went through. 15:39.320 --> 15:43.880 Because, see, it medjugorje for our listeners to this very day, right now, 15:43.960 --> 15:44.220 today. 15:44.220 --> 15:46.680 What we're talking about is very contemporaneous. 15:47.880 --> 15:50.340 I don't know how many thousands or maybe millions, I don't know. 15:50.640 --> 15:55.980 A huge number of people have gone in, are going to Czechoslovakia, because some 15:55.980 --> 16:03.900 children there go into a trance and they see this glittering person who talks to 16:03.900 --> 16:04.140 them. 16:04.800 --> 16:08.580 But what that person is saying contradicts what's in the Bible. 16:09.300 --> 16:15.020 Now, you know, when I was getting free, I did like you did, Bill. 16:15.040 --> 16:19.960 I went and got some, I went to a Catholic bookstore, got some, they're still there, 16:20.420 --> 16:24.340 you know, dialogues with the being that's appearing at medjugorje. 16:24.760 --> 16:26.800 And I saw, well, this can't be right. 16:27.420 --> 16:34.100 I remember one thing, this apparition, which is a demon spirit, said that this is 16:34.100 --> 16:37.080 the last time I'm going to talk to one of the children, a girl. 16:37.760 --> 16:42.120 And the apparition said, this is the last time I'm going to talk to you, 16:42.160 --> 16:42.940 is there anything you want? 16:43.920 --> 16:47.680 And the girl said, I'd like to see my mother who died just a while ago. 16:48.100 --> 16:52.740 And instantly, the girl's mother was there, and she talked with her mother, 16:53.400 --> 16:55.300 and her mother was telling her the same thing. 16:55.620 --> 16:58.980 Say the rosary, go to mass, go to confession, and it disappeared. 17:00.040 --> 17:06.540 Now, all of that is a cultism of an extreme nature, because God has forbidden, 17:07.220 --> 17:11.560 quickly you go to Deuteronomy 18, amongst other places, but it's called 17:11.560 --> 17:14.560 necromancy, communicating with the dead. 17:15.320 --> 17:17.780 And it's totally forbidden because, why? 17:17.920 --> 17:21.920 Because, like we're telling you on this broadcast, it's an open door to a huge 17:21.920 --> 17:22.420 deception. 17:23.200 --> 17:27.060 And that's what this broadcast is all about, is to get back to the word of God, 17:27.200 --> 17:29.240 so that we will not be deceived. 17:29.240 --> 17:34.100 Bill, when you were going through that, I think we can relate with people how, 17:34.540 --> 17:41.340 when you changed from the messages of Medjugorje in Czechoslovakia to the 17:41.340 --> 17:43.020 Bible... 17:43.020 --> 17:44.700 Actually, it was Yugoslavia. 17:45.040 --> 17:46.340 Or Yugoslavia, is that what it is? 17:46.360 --> 17:46.860 I'm not sure. 17:46.940 --> 17:48.640 I think it's changed now. 17:48.880 --> 17:52.420 I forget the name now that's over there, because they changed the name of the 17:52.420 --> 17:56.500 country, but at the time that I was involved, it was Yugoslavia. 17:56.500 --> 17:59.180 Okay, well thank you for saying it. 17:59.260 --> 18:00.960 I don't know exactly where it is, but... 18:00.960 --> 18:03.880 How did you feel when you were making this shift? 18:04.060 --> 18:06.000 I mean, what happened to you? 18:06.120 --> 18:10.360 Because it's a process, and there are people I know listening today praying 18:10.360 --> 18:12.440 about going through that process. 18:12.780 --> 18:13.120 Right. 18:14.460 --> 18:15.620 That's a good question. 18:16.200 --> 18:21.160 People need to realize, and for the Roman Catholic that's listening, they'll know 18:21.160 --> 18:24.400 that I'm telling the truth by what I'm saying here. 18:24.400 --> 18:31.620 When you pray the Rosary, you're praying the Hail Marys, and you'd pray like 10 18:31.620 --> 18:35.420 Hail Marys, and then you'd pray a different prayer, and so on and so forth. 18:35.740 --> 18:39.680 I think at the Rosary there was like 50 Hail Marys, if I remember correctly. 18:39.860 --> 18:40.500 That's right, yes. 18:41.600 --> 18:49.500 So it was a lot of repetition, and we sincerely believed, and even before 18:49.500 --> 18:54.040 Medjugorje, you know, we had Fatima, you had Guadalupe, and other appearances 18:54.040 --> 18:55.340 like that, Lords. 18:56.240 --> 19:00.220 And this is ingrained in your system as a Roman Catholic. 19:00.420 --> 19:05.500 So Mary is part of the whole picture. 19:05.720 --> 19:08.880 You have Jesus, you have the Father, you have the Holy Spirit, and you have 19:08.880 --> 19:09.320 Mary. 19:09.780 --> 19:12.680 And that is the big stronghold. 19:12.940 --> 19:18.020 So this is something that is so ingrained in your system that it goes on for year 19:18.020 --> 19:19.740 after year after year. 19:19.740 --> 19:25.920 And when I look at salvation, I'll be perfectly honest with you, and my wife 19:25.920 --> 19:30.260 will bear witness to this, we're amazed we're even saved. 19:30.580 --> 19:34.520 I mean, we're amazed that the Lord even opened our eyes. 19:35.940 --> 19:42.600 When you see how many millions upon millions of people are affected by these 19:42.600 --> 19:47.800 Marian apparitions, and this whole thing with the Rosary, and the mysteries of the 19:47.800 --> 19:53.460 Rosary, and so on and so forth, when you think of the amount of money over 19:53.460 --> 19:58.680 the years, the millions upon millions, probably billions of dollars, when people 19:58.680 --> 20:05.700 spend on statues, and medals, and rosaries, and so on and so forth. 20:06.000 --> 20:09.820 I remember I was all set to build an altar in my attic. 20:09.940 --> 20:14.420 I went out to the same shopping center I used to shop for books, into a Roman 20:14.420 --> 20:17.200 Catholic store, and I was shopping statues. 20:17.200 --> 20:19.780 But I couldn't afford it because they were too much money. 20:20.260 --> 20:22.140 And that was just for the white ones. 20:22.220 --> 20:26.500 If you wanted one in color with the white and the blue, it was much more money. 20:26.700 --> 20:28.840 And I just said, well, I can't afford this. 20:29.060 --> 20:33.400 So I'm all set to build a little shrine in my own home. 20:34.140 --> 20:38.860 And shortly thereafter, the Lord opened my eyes. 20:39.000 --> 20:42.480 I was reading the Gospel of John when I saw that Christ paid the price. 20:42.480 --> 20:47.080 I saw that he came down from heaven, he was persecuted, that he was slain on 20:47.080 --> 20:52.640 the cross for my sins, that his blood washed away my sins, and that I could be 20:52.640 --> 20:54.520 saved, that I could be born again. 20:55.100 --> 20:58.340 And I've never been the same since that time. 20:58.500 --> 21:01.520 And I learned that it was just Christ. 21:01.940 --> 21:09.560 And I would say to the listener that we are dealing with eternal issues here. 21:10.540 --> 21:12.940 You must be born again. 21:13.320 --> 21:14.660 I was not born again. 21:14.820 --> 21:19.940 As a Roman Catholic, we are taught we're born again into the church when we're 21:19.940 --> 21:21.980 baptized as a little baby, as an infant. 21:22.460 --> 21:24.060 I was not born again. 21:24.640 --> 21:30.360 I can testify today that when a person is regenerated by the power of the Holy 21:30.360 --> 21:34.360 Spirit, they become a new creation in Jesus Christ. 21:34.640 --> 21:37.120 And they will not be the same afterwards. 21:37.120 --> 21:38.680 And that happened to me. 21:39.040 --> 21:44.580 And that's why I speak the way I do ever since that time, because we're dealing 21:44.580 --> 21:46.920 with heaven and we are dealing with hell. 21:47.580 --> 21:52.540 Pastor Bob, I know that I know that I know that any human being on planet Earth, 21:52.800 --> 21:58.000 if they are not born again of the Spirit, if they do not put their faith in Jesus 21:58.000 --> 22:01.700 Christ, they will spend eternity in the lake of fire. 22:02.100 --> 22:02.920 It is forever. 22:03.340 --> 22:05.660 And that is what this is all about. 22:06.460 --> 22:08.520 And that's why we have KGDP. 22:09.220 --> 22:13.320 I urge you all to keep praying for this station, because they're very prayerful, 22:13.780 --> 22:18.540 very dedicated, actually self-sacrificing, in order to get this word out to you. 22:18.860 --> 22:23.800 Maybe a day is going to come when we can't talk like this, because the enemy does not 22:23.800 --> 22:25.580 like that message going out. 22:25.840 --> 22:30.060 There is an enemy out there who has control of people and wants to keep it. 22:30.600 --> 22:34.760 But what everything Bill just told you is in the Word of God. 22:35.360 --> 22:37.480 And go to the first letter of John. 22:37.840 --> 22:39.520 He who has the Son has life. 22:39.980 --> 22:42.940 He who does not have the Son does not have life. 22:43.600 --> 22:51.380 That is so rattling to priests and their training, that some people might even, 22:51.440 --> 22:53.160 if they are listening, turn the dial off now. 22:53.560 --> 22:56.140 But don't turn it off, because that is the Word of God. 22:56.520 --> 23:00.740 Because you too can be born again, and it is absolutely necessary. 23:01.380 --> 23:04.500 The issues we are talking about... Bill, I just want to put this in. 23:04.540 --> 23:08.860 We need to talk about the issues, but it is like we are constantly talking. 23:09.520 --> 23:12.340 Listeners, stay tuned and see if you don't agree with this. 23:12.800 --> 23:17.380 Because talk shows, other secular talk shows, praise God some of them are 23:17.380 --> 23:20.940 conservative, not liberal, you know, and they touch on this theme. 23:21.900 --> 23:27.580 Our nation has been taught relativism since the 60's. 23:27.580 --> 23:34.360 Year in, year out, kindergarten, grammar school, high school, and 23:34.360 --> 23:41.040 university, that relativism prevails the way people think. 23:41.440 --> 23:42.500 It is all relative. 23:43.260 --> 23:47.060 And the absolutes we are talking about don't pertain. 23:47.860 --> 23:52.360 And the devil is behind all this, because he wants everybody to think 23:52.360 --> 23:54.260 everything is okay. 23:55.180 --> 23:56.640 It is just okay. 23:56.640 --> 23:59.880 I am not so bad, God would send me to hell. 24:00.320 --> 24:05.200 I am so good that I am better, more good than bad, and I will make it to 24:05.200 --> 24:06.260 the glory of heaven. 24:07.140 --> 24:09.720 That is not what God has told us. 24:10.420 --> 24:17.920 When you see and accept what God has told you, we are all sinners, lost, 24:18.520 --> 24:21.120 including Mary, everyone. 24:21.360 --> 24:22.840 We are all lost. 24:23.480 --> 24:27.140 And the way of salvation is through the new birth. 24:27.300 --> 24:29.200 We must be born again. 24:30.400 --> 24:32.020 Real quick, go to John 3.16. 24:32.320 --> 24:33.280 Go look right there. 24:33.520 --> 24:37.340 Look in chapter 3, actually all of chapter 3 of John, and you will just see, 24:37.700 --> 24:38.840 this is what the Master... 24:39.780 --> 24:41.140 Is Jesus the Master? 24:41.520 --> 24:43.200 Do we really believe what he said? 24:43.660 --> 24:45.980 Well, no one else has ever spoke like him. 24:46.340 --> 24:47.880 Peter said that once, and I will say it. 24:48.260 --> 24:53.840 All the teachers I have had, I spent three years studying philosophy, not one of them 24:53.840 --> 24:58.880 touches even near to what Jesus said and the truth with which he spoke. 24:59.480 --> 25:02.500 And it has to do with eternal salvation. 25:03.260 --> 25:08.560 Bill, so when you found this, when you left the old and came to the new, 25:09.300 --> 25:13.100 what sort of, what was, what happened during that process? 25:15.280 --> 25:20.500 Well, you know, when I was saved and realized the deception I was in, 25:21.040 --> 25:26.300 it was a time of joy, but it was also a time, it was a serious time in my life 25:26.300 --> 25:33.580 because now I'm confronted with the fact that I'm surrounded by people that are 25:33.580 --> 25:35.080 just as lost as I was. 25:35.760 --> 25:42.180 I mean, it was like I walked out of a room of darkness into a room of blazing light. 25:42.280 --> 25:44.580 That's the only way I could put it. 25:44.840 --> 25:49.020 And the reason being is because it was the Holy Spirit that opened up my eyes. 25:49.020 --> 25:52.880 The Bible says that the natural man cannot receive the things of the Spirit. 25:53.460 --> 25:57.680 So when the Lord opened my eyes, I can't give any glory to myself. 25:57.800 --> 25:59.720 It's only He, He's the one who opened my eyes. 26:00.220 --> 26:05.040 And it's because of His mercy, it's because of His grace, it's because of 26:05.040 --> 26:06.180 the cross of Christ. 26:06.600 --> 26:10.640 So now I know that I'm going to face persecution. 26:10.840 --> 26:16.960 It's something that instantly I knew inside my heart that even though you have 26:16.960 --> 26:19.780 the joy of the Lord, you know you're saved, but you know that you're surrounded 26:19.780 --> 26:23.240 by people that are under the dominion of the devil. 26:23.400 --> 26:27.840 And that's what the Bible says, that the devil has blinded the mind of the 26:27.840 --> 26:32.720 unbeliever, lest they should believe the glorious gospel of Jesus Christ. 26:33.180 --> 26:41.080 So I knew there was a compulsion inside my heart and Kathy to tell others. 26:41.180 --> 26:45.820 We didn't have to take an evangelism course, and I'm not against evangelism 26:45.820 --> 26:46.240 courses. 26:46.240 --> 26:50.660 You can learn a lot through different things and learn about different cults and 26:50.660 --> 26:51.440 so on and so forth. 26:52.000 --> 26:59.240 But I guess you could say the disciples said, we cannot but speak the things. 26:59.400 --> 27:02.260 Like when they were told to be quiet, they said, oh no, we're not going to be 27:02.260 --> 27:02.600 quiet. 27:02.860 --> 27:06.880 It's better to obey God rather than men. 27:07.300 --> 27:12.080 And when you have the Spirit of God within your heart, you're a new creation. 27:12.600 --> 27:16.800 You want to tell people, you want to lead them to the truth, and the truth is the 27:16.800 --> 27:18.480 message of the Christian. 27:18.900 --> 27:21.840 Here's the message of the Christian, that Jesus said, I am the way, 27:21.880 --> 27:22.700 the truth, and the life. 27:22.860 --> 27:24.840 No man comes to the Father but by me. 27:25.360 --> 27:29.040 Christ has once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust. 27:29.640 --> 27:35.260 Romans 5a, God commended His love toward us in that while we were yet sinners, 27:35.820 --> 27:37.960 Christ died for us. 27:38.260 --> 27:44.820 So how could you not want to tell people, if you truly are a Christian, if you have 27:44.820 --> 27:49.920 truly been born again of the Spirit, how could you hold it in? 27:50.180 --> 27:53.140 You must tell others about Jesus Christ. 27:54.680 --> 27:57.080 What a great and glorious message that is. 27:57.540 --> 28:02.320 And what it does, I mean, it's like, I always kind of relate to the Apostles, 28:02.660 --> 28:09.400 going from a fisherman, just doing the liturgies of Judaism, to a totally changed 28:09.400 --> 28:09.940 life. 28:10.660 --> 28:14.940 And I know some Catholics have this image of them, like the big statues around St. 28:15.060 --> 28:18.340 Peter's, they're all robed in priestly robes and all this. 28:18.660 --> 28:19.400 They weren't. 28:19.720 --> 28:21.020 They kept the same clothes. 28:21.120 --> 28:22.220 They did everything the same. 28:22.760 --> 28:26.020 And they walked the dusty streets with thongs on their feet. 28:26.240 --> 28:28.780 But they could not stop telling people. 28:29.240 --> 28:33.680 They sowed the seed, like the Master said, in season and out of season. 28:34.140 --> 28:38.560 And even the Master said, there's going to be reactions, like to this broadcast. 28:39.100 --> 28:41.240 Some will head on the hard path. 28:41.240 --> 28:46.780 And it's interesting, Jesus said this, the devil swoops down, picks up the seed 28:46.780 --> 28:49.240 and flies away before it does anything. 28:50.600 --> 28:51.120 Amazing. 28:51.760 --> 28:54.820 Then there's the other one where it goes into the rocky ground. 28:55.200 --> 28:56.880 So yes, it does get down in there. 28:57.340 --> 29:00.380 It starts to grow, but then it doesn't have a root. 29:00.740 --> 29:01.580 It's not founded. 29:02.020 --> 29:03.620 And so it withers and dies. 29:04.460 --> 29:07.500 Then the other seed hits into the thorns. 29:07.860 --> 29:12.980 And it grows up and grows up, but the cares and concerns of this world choke it 29:12.980 --> 29:13.180 out. 29:13.320 --> 29:14.480 Well, isn't it blessed? 29:14.820 --> 29:19.360 We can speak no more, no less, than what Jesus said. 29:19.800 --> 29:24.140 If you met one of the disciples of Jesus, they would be saying what we're saying. 29:24.220 --> 29:25.380 It's the Word of God. 29:25.720 --> 29:31.100 It's just as powerful, just as present, just as alive today. 29:31.560 --> 29:32.340 I mean, we're alive. 29:32.480 --> 29:33.180 Robert's alive. 29:33.480 --> 29:36.500 People in that studio, and people all over the world. 29:36.560 --> 29:37.220 I met him. 29:37.260 --> 29:38.740 I smuggled Bibles into China. 29:38.740 --> 29:41.840 When we gave them those Bibles, they hugged me and cried. 29:42.460 --> 29:44.540 They knew Jesus, and they knew the Word. 29:44.620 --> 29:45.480 Isn't that something? 29:45.880 --> 29:49.500 I saw them in Venezuela, all through Central America, Mexico. 29:50.180 --> 29:50.780 Praise the Lord. 29:50.820 --> 29:53.180 I would have gotten this chair, hoped to get healed someday, like he's 29:53.180 --> 29:53.860 talking about healing. 29:54.400 --> 29:55.660 And we would travel together. 29:55.800 --> 29:59.820 But I'm glad you offered yourself to go give a testimony in churches, because, 30:00.400 --> 30:02.580 Bill, I think there's some other things on the news, too. 30:02.920 --> 30:06.880 Did you have some news programs that I think pertains to this? 30:07.280 --> 30:08.600 You know, Peter was the first poet. 30:08.600 --> 30:14.740 And what was being said, because, dear people, we need to clarify this. 30:15.140 --> 30:20.600 Our point is, if an organization, be it Catholic, Jehovah's Witness, 30:20.820 --> 30:26.060 Mormon, or any new age or anything, is adding to or taking from the Word of 30:26.060 --> 30:28.160 God, it will not save you. 30:28.620 --> 30:30.840 And that's why, with love, we say these things. 30:31.300 --> 30:33.740 Did you do any research, Bill, or anything that might bless people? 30:33.840 --> 30:37.620 Because certainly every listener today, or probably a large majority of them, 30:37.620 --> 30:39.660 have heard, you know, the popular news. 30:40.280 --> 30:45.120 Yes, well, you know, soon after, you know, Larry King, he's been known to 30:45.120 --> 30:49.500 interview people, you know, when big events like this would happen. 30:49.720 --> 30:53.820 And many times over the past, Larry King has interviewed Billy Graham. 30:54.120 --> 30:56.500 Okay, Billy Graham is a well-known evangelist. 30:57.760 --> 31:00.120 He's known as the world's greatest evangelist. 31:00.420 --> 31:01.720 And he was interviewed. 31:01.980 --> 31:04.680 It aired on Saturday, April 2nd. 31:04.680 --> 31:10.640 And Larry King said to Billy Graham, he said, you said that he was an 31:10.640 --> 31:13.440 evangelist, referring to the Pope, Pope John Paul II. 31:13.780 --> 31:16.920 And Billy Graham responded, he was indeed. 31:17.160 --> 31:20.680 He traveled throughout the world to bring his Christian message to the world. 31:21.020 --> 31:24.140 And we see tonight the outpouring from the world that he touched. 31:24.760 --> 31:27.240 And he goes on and on. 31:27.500 --> 31:34.280 And then Larry King said to Billy Graham, there is no question in your mind that he 31:34.280 --> 31:35.540 is with God now. 31:36.260 --> 31:38.440 And Billy Graham responded, oh no. 31:39.600 --> 31:43.500 There may be a question about my own, but I don't think Cardinal Watila or the 31:43.500 --> 31:45.860 Pope, that's his other name before he became Pope. 31:46.040 --> 31:47.860 I think he's with the Lord because he believed. 31:47.880 --> 31:48.760 He believed in the cross. 31:48.760 --> 31:51.380 And that was his focus throughout his ministry. 31:51.480 --> 31:54.740 He goes on to say that he was a strong believer. 31:55.360 --> 32:00.700 And then he went on to say that he was sending his daughter Ann Lotz to go to the 32:00.700 --> 32:07.320 funeral and that his son Franklin was going to go to the enthronement of the new 32:07.320 --> 32:08.160 Pope. 32:08.840 --> 32:15.500 Now, this is, to me, Pastor Bob, this is simply unbelievable. 32:16.200 --> 32:23.060 You know, I read books about what the old reformers thought about the Roman Catholic 32:23.060 --> 32:25.600 system, the papacy, people like John Wesley. 32:26.120 --> 32:32.740 I mean, each and every one of these people would describe that system in the terms of 32:32.740 --> 32:33.440 the Antichrist. 32:34.060 --> 32:39.260 So now we have Billy Graham, and his son was also interviewed, and his son 32:39.260 --> 32:41.440 basically said that he preached the cross. 32:41.780 --> 32:48.280 So what they're saying is that they, in the Roman Catholic Church, the Pope, 32:48.360 --> 32:50.440 he preached the gospel of Jesus Christ. 32:50.560 --> 32:51.600 It's the same gospel now. 32:51.900 --> 32:56.840 Many people are unaware that Billy Graham has been working hand-in-hand at his 32:56.840 --> 33:00.880 crusades, I believe, for probably 50 years now. 33:01.080 --> 33:02.700 And you can do the research yourself. 33:03.060 --> 33:06.020 If you're listening, I encourage you to research it for yourself. 33:06.660 --> 33:09.420 You'll find out that what I'm saying here today is true. 33:10.100 --> 33:14.120 I can witness to the fact that it's true. 33:14.760 --> 33:19.080 I, myself, Kathy and I, we worked with, we were going to a church in Manhattan, 33:20.400 --> 33:24.640 and Billy Graham did a rally in Central Park, New York City, in 1991. 33:25.800 --> 33:29.620 And we were warned by a pastor, you know, about things such as this that 33:29.620 --> 33:30.680 I'm speaking about now. 33:31.300 --> 33:32.580 And we worked as counselors. 33:32.800 --> 33:35.180 We trained with the Graham Organization to be counselors. 33:35.720 --> 33:40.560 And, you know, Kathy ended up sending a young lady who gave a decision back to the 33:40.560 --> 33:41.440 Roman Catholic Church. 33:41.620 --> 33:45.320 And we knew right then and there, we said, we cannot do this. 33:45.620 --> 33:46.980 This is absolute compromise. 33:47.500 --> 33:48.700 And we had to stop it. 33:48.760 --> 33:50.540 So I don't look with disdain. 33:50.660 --> 33:52.160 I'm not trying to judge people here. 33:52.160 --> 33:55.620 But I'm telling you, Pastor Bob, this is very serious business. 33:55.780 --> 33:57.380 I believe in the gifts of the Holy Spirit. 33:57.880 --> 34:01.000 And my heart, all day long, has been absolutely burning. 34:01.160 --> 34:01.820 I'm telling you. 34:02.280 --> 34:07.160 My wife showed me something on the Internet. 34:07.380 --> 34:10.260 And this was a report on a Mennonite organization. 34:10.420 --> 34:16.440 The Mennonites came out from, that the, his name was Menos. 34:16.560 --> 34:17.940 They were believers. 34:18.320 --> 34:19.980 They came out from the Anabaptists. 34:19.980 --> 34:23.900 And they were against Roman Catholicism. 34:24.260 --> 34:25.380 I mean, big time. 34:25.800 --> 34:27.380 And their doctrine was solid. 34:28.120 --> 34:33.600 The Amish people also came out from that organization, the Anabaptists. 34:33.880 --> 34:38.540 And on this website, they were praising the Pope. 34:38.920 --> 34:42.380 I mean, they were absolutely praising him. 34:42.460 --> 34:44.960 And my spirit was so grieved. 34:45.940 --> 34:48.020 And I'm walking away from the computer. 34:48.020 --> 34:50.580 My wife showed me. 34:51.060 --> 34:52.440 And I'm telling you, testify today. 34:52.500 --> 34:53.720 The Holy Spirit spoke to me. 34:54.300 --> 34:55.180 And this is what he said. 34:55.780 --> 34:57.760 The voice of apostasy. 34:58.320 --> 35:00.380 The voice of apostasy. 35:00.960 --> 35:04.460 Pastor Bob, we are living in an incredible time. 35:04.540 --> 35:05.000 Yes, we are. 35:05.000 --> 35:10.320 And when this is going on, and you have people that are not standing up, 35:10.620 --> 35:14.920 and you have pastors that are supposed to be shepherds, that are supposed to protect 35:14.920 --> 35:17.260 their flock, and they're letting this happen. 35:17.260 --> 35:19.180 And that's why I bring this out. 35:19.480 --> 35:21.100 I have nothing against Billy Graham. 35:21.340 --> 35:23.120 I have nothing against his son. 35:23.420 --> 35:25.760 But I must stand up for the gospel of Jesus Christ. 35:26.020 --> 35:30.480 I must defend the gospel, because this is the gospel that saved my soul from an 35:30.480 --> 35:31.220 eternal hell. 35:31.660 --> 35:34.000 And we need to take a stand in this hour. 35:34.560 --> 35:40.140 Jude 3 says we should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered to 35:40.140 --> 35:40.760 the saints. 35:41.640 --> 35:46.340 And as we speak out over these airwaves, all we can do is put our total heart into 35:46.340 --> 35:46.600 it. 35:46.600 --> 35:50.760 I know you take each broadcast, and I know your speakers today, 35:50.840 --> 35:53.800 listeners, speak as if it was our last broadcast. 35:54.180 --> 35:55.760 That's how deeply we feel this. 35:56.240 --> 35:57.840 Because it's the truth. 36:01.280 --> 36:07.080 And Billy Graham has actually said in publications, we preach the same gospel as 36:07.080 --> 36:08.280 the Roman Catholic Church. 36:08.820 --> 36:10.080 That's why we're saying this. 36:10.480 --> 36:14.120 Get the Catechism of 1994 from Rome. 36:14.380 --> 36:15.780 It's official from the Pope. 36:15.780 --> 36:18.040 I mean, it is so super-official. 36:18.380 --> 36:20.500 And you will see a different gospel. 36:21.100 --> 36:25.700 Those who trust that will not see everlasting life. 36:26.220 --> 36:29.060 It's only by born-again faith. 36:29.660 --> 36:32.220 Ephesians, everyone who has a pencil, write it down. 36:32.620 --> 36:35.080 Ephesians 2, 8 and 9. 36:35.860 --> 36:37.600 We're saved by grace through faith. 36:38.060 --> 36:39.140 God defines it for us. 36:39.440 --> 36:41.420 Nobody but God could write a sentence like that. 36:41.880 --> 36:43.680 Believe me, Aristotle couldn't figure it out. 36:44.180 --> 36:45.460 Plato couldn't figure it out. 36:45.460 --> 36:46.940 I mean, no one. 36:47.520 --> 36:53.100 And like Bill is saying, you see the Reformers, the great Reformers of the 36:53.100 --> 36:54.400 1500s. 36:54.860 --> 36:58.520 Whitcliffe, Tyndale, both burned. 36:59.180 --> 37:01.280 Tyndale was burned at the stake. 37:01.760 --> 37:03.740 Whitcliffe, they dug his bones up. 37:04.440 --> 37:06.560 Because they didn't like what he said. 37:06.940 --> 37:09.540 Because he said, Jesus is not truly in the bread. 37:10.080 --> 37:12.520 And you need to get all your truths from the Bible. 37:12.520 --> 37:15.720 They were so irate, they dug his bones up and burned him 40 years later. 37:16.260 --> 37:17.460 Is this a historical fact? 37:17.820 --> 37:18.580 Yes, it is. 37:19.160 --> 37:20.540 Now, this is what we're dealing with. 37:21.240 --> 37:22.820 This deception goes on. 37:23.280 --> 37:30.920 And I feel it too, Bill, that the pastors of the flock of God cannot and should not 37:30.920 --> 37:32.960 preach another gospel. 37:33.440 --> 37:34.460 And that's what's happening. 37:35.060 --> 37:36.560 And that's what is so important.