WEBVTT 00:09.920 --> 00:13.140 Our viewers today, I know, want to know a lot about you. 00:13.260 --> 00:19.180 And so, I want you first of all to give us a little background sketch of where you 00:19.180 --> 00:19.840 came from. 00:20.240 --> 00:23.640 And then later on we'll talk about where you are and where you're going. 00:24.020 --> 00:25.020 Yeah, definitely, definitely. 00:25.140 --> 00:26.400 It's a blessing to be here. 00:27.160 --> 00:33.960 As a matter of fact, I feel blessed to address to this public through this 00:33.960 --> 00:34.600 telecast. 00:34.600 --> 00:41.780 And to me, it's not only a blessing, but it's a privilege to be part of the 00:41.780 --> 00:44.240 proclamation of the gospel of Jesus Christ. 00:45.240 --> 00:48.300 That I was deprived for many years. 00:49.780 --> 00:54.360 As I was born in Spain, that is where originally I came from. 00:54.820 --> 00:58.860 I was born in Spain, raised and educated Roman Catholic. 00:59.080 --> 01:03.300 I went to a minor seminar at the age of seven years. 01:03.300 --> 01:06.700 I was seven years old when I walked into a minor seminar. 01:07.060 --> 01:11.220 All my relatives, my family has brought me in to a minor seminar. 01:11.520 --> 01:14.900 Where finally I was prepared and trained to be a priest. 01:15.100 --> 01:18.340 Then later, joining the Jesuit order. 01:19.480 --> 01:26.980 So, you coming out of Spain, of course, to be a Roman dominated country. 01:27.160 --> 01:28.100 Definitely, yes sir. 01:28.100 --> 01:36.460 You were exposed to the traditions and all of the encliticals of the Roman Church. 01:37.100 --> 01:43.480 What led to you beginning to investigate the light of New Testament Christianity? 01:44.160 --> 01:49.780 Well, let me, as briefly as I have exposed, as a matter of fact, in most of 01:49.780 --> 01:53.720 the series of my testimony in Christ. 01:53.720 --> 01:57.940 From Alberto all the way to Double Cross, the Godfather, the Force. 01:58.300 --> 02:03.500 All these that have portrayed my testimony, my experiences before I was 02:03.500 --> 02:04.620 converted to the Gospel. 02:04.860 --> 02:09.560 And through the time that I was already as a Christian, I became a Christian. 02:10.100 --> 02:14.740 What led me really was studying the Holy Scripture, studying the Bible. 02:14.940 --> 02:18.400 In a time that was given to me when I was 17 years old. 02:19.380 --> 02:23.240 I was in what is called a major seminar already. 02:23.980 --> 02:28.520 And that is what began that explosion in myself. 02:28.720 --> 02:32.800 Trying to identify myself as a Roman Catholic. 02:33.460 --> 02:36.900 Trying to identify myself as a priest to be. 02:37.380 --> 02:40.900 I want that identity to be found in the Scripture. 02:41.540 --> 02:44.120 I have that identity already in tradition. 02:44.120 --> 02:50.580 I have that identity as Catholic and as going to be a priest. 02:50.840 --> 02:52.360 I have all in tradition. 02:52.820 --> 02:56.100 I have all in the magisterium of the Roman Catholic institution. 02:56.440 --> 03:03.280 But I could not find that identity of me being a Catholic and me being a person 03:03.280 --> 03:04.420 preparing to be a priest. 03:04.580 --> 03:07.100 I could not find that identity in the Bible. 03:08.140 --> 03:12.000 From Genesis all the way to Revelation, I searched for it. 03:12.100 --> 03:13.740 I could not find that identity. 03:14.980 --> 03:17.700 What was your attitude toward the Bible? 03:18.580 --> 03:21.440 Certainly you didn't believe it was the Holy Word of God at that time, 03:21.540 --> 03:21.760 did you? 03:21.820 --> 03:22.460 Not quite. 03:22.560 --> 03:25.440 As a matter of fact, that was a very despotic attitude. 03:26.000 --> 03:27.280 A very despotic one. 03:27.280 --> 03:34.640 The attitude and the behavior of the clergy that has been prepared and trained, 03:35.180 --> 03:40.680 believing that the Bible is part of God's revelation, not all the revelation of God. 03:40.780 --> 03:45.920 What that means is, according to the Council of Trent in 1546, the Council 03:45.920 --> 03:51.440 decreed that there were three sources of divine revelation. 03:51.940 --> 03:55.280 The magisterium, the tradition, and the Bible. 03:55.280 --> 04:01.160 As a matter of fact, what is even more painful, and that was what prevented me 04:01.160 --> 04:08.060 from yielding to the dictates of God's written revelation, is that I believe, 04:08.480 --> 04:15.980 by reason of another Council of Trent decree in 1546, where the Council stated 04:15.980 --> 04:23.720 that we have a Bible, but the Bible does not contain, even the Roman Catholic 04:23.720 --> 04:28.980 Bible, does not contain all that is needed for the salvation of men. 04:29.320 --> 04:30.020 Oh yes. 04:30.480 --> 04:34.140 We talked last night that John was the last prophet. 04:34.540 --> 04:35.040 He was. 04:35.120 --> 04:37.160 And when he finished the book of Revelation... 04:37.160 --> 04:37.680 That's correct. 04:37.880 --> 04:40.820 He said, don't add to this. 04:40.920 --> 04:41.200 No. 04:41.260 --> 04:42.580 Don't subtract from this. 04:42.580 --> 04:48.920 So, actually the Roman Church is fulfilling prophecy, in that John must 04:48.920 --> 04:53.260 have known that people would add things to the word of God in traditions, 04:53.500 --> 04:55.600 and you mentioned the magistrates... 04:55.600 --> 04:56.920 Yes, the hierarchy. 04:57.100 --> 04:58.100 The hierarchy, right. 04:58.500 --> 05:01.740 It means there are sources of divine revelation. 05:02.260 --> 05:02.540 Right. 05:02.660 --> 05:02.820 Yes. 05:03.160 --> 05:09.480 That place in the Bible, and the third stage of revelation. 05:09.480 --> 05:15.640 What that means, by the time that I come to submit and yield to the magisterium of 05:15.640 --> 05:21.620 the institution, then I come into tradition, sacraments, liturgy, 05:21.840 --> 05:28.720 canon laws, dogmas, and then finally I have no opportunity, I mean I'm deprived, 05:29.020 --> 05:35.200 every human being is being deprived of having access to the written revelation, 05:35.200 --> 05:39.640 because already we have everything in tradition, we have everything under the 05:39.640 --> 05:41.600 magisterium, what for the Bible? 05:42.160 --> 05:42.160 Yes. 05:42.240 --> 05:47.840 And you would be quite confused, because which magistrate would be the 05:47.840 --> 05:53.640 really divinely inspired one to listen to, what revelation or dogma would be the one 05:53.640 --> 05:57.060 that would be more important, and many times they contradict each other. 05:57.340 --> 05:59.100 It was a contradiction for myself. 05:59.220 --> 06:03.740 As a matter of fact, even among the Jesuit order today, you have Jesuit priests, 06:03.740 --> 06:07.740 they are not Christian, of course, they are not converted to the gospel like 06:07.740 --> 06:14.000 Hans Kahn, Malachias Martin, many of these Jesuit priests are going around the world 06:14.000 --> 06:19.640 lecturing about the inconsistencies, inconsistencies, even today in the 20th 06:19.640 --> 06:25.460 century, of the inconsistencies of Roman Catholic liturgy, Roman Catholic laws, 06:25.760 --> 06:29.080 canon laws, Roman Catholic dogma, inconsistencies. 06:29.080 --> 06:35.100 Now that was a big contradiction to me, because when I went through the tradition 06:35.100 --> 06:38.220 and the magisterium, then I could not find in the Bible. 06:38.740 --> 06:43.040 Then it was always contradiction, from the Bible to tradition. 06:43.540 --> 06:43.700 Right. 06:44.140 --> 06:51.260 The thing that I think is encumbering and hindering people from coming into the 06:51.260 --> 06:58.940 liberty of New Testament Christianity is the quickness, the suddenness with which 06:58.940 --> 07:03.520 the early Christian faith corrupted, you know, Jude. 07:04.680 --> 07:06.800 Jude is the one who changed his mind. 07:06.900 --> 07:09.700 He began to write about the common faith. 07:09.920 --> 07:11.860 I believe in Jude 1, verse 3. 07:11.900 --> 07:12.800 Three, that is correct. 07:13.020 --> 07:14.300 He said, I changed my mind. 07:14.380 --> 07:19.920 He said, I believe I want to write to you that you should earnestly contend for the 07:19.920 --> 07:22.740 faith once for all delivered to the saints. 07:22.960 --> 07:23.120 Yes. 07:23.860 --> 07:29.980 Obviously, even at that early time, already the spirit of this iniquity and 07:29.980 --> 07:33.460 lawlessness, this corruption was in the world. 07:33.540 --> 07:35.940 And I would like for you to enlarge upon that. 07:36.060 --> 07:42.720 But, you know, a doctrine that is 2,000 years old would be as much a lie after 07:42.720 --> 07:45.780 2,000 years as it was when it was first taught as a lie. 07:45.940 --> 07:46.260 Yes. 07:46.260 --> 07:51.920 And so that's the problem, is that the tremendous traditions and the years behind 07:51.920 --> 07:54.360 all this doctrine gives it credibility. 07:54.360 --> 07:57.280 People think because it's old, it must be true. 07:57.360 --> 07:57.920 It must be true. 07:58.000 --> 07:59.600 But it's not Bible, but it's old. 07:59.820 --> 08:00.720 Yes, definitely. 08:01.020 --> 08:01.960 I will say this. 08:01.980 --> 08:07.020 One thing that led to my own personal conviction on the guidance of the Holy 08:07.020 --> 08:10.300 Spirit and reading the Scripture was in John. 08:10.820 --> 08:15.620 And this is where I have, I would like to quote this in the Gospel of John, 08:16.000 --> 08:17.520 Chapter 20. 08:18.180 --> 08:25.260 And this is where the stronger conviction that I ever came across came to me to a 08:25.260 --> 08:31.520 point that that is what really get me ready for my encounter, my personal 08:31.520 --> 08:34.540 encounter with my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. 08:34.540 --> 08:39.400 This is what happened as I was led of the Spirit of the Lord and the reading, 08:39.780 --> 08:45.100 constant reading of the Scripture, even so that I was after my ordination as 08:45.100 --> 08:45.880 a priest already. 08:46.500 --> 08:48.080 This is what I have found. 08:48.440 --> 08:54.200 In Chapter 20, most of the time the clergy is quite familiar with these teachings, 08:54.800 --> 08:59.920 but they do memorize them, they do read them, but they do not discern. 09:00.900 --> 09:02.560 And that is the problem here. 09:02.560 --> 09:07.700 Verse 30 said, And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his 09:07.700 --> 09:13.720 disciples, which are not written in this book, but these are written. 09:14.160 --> 09:16.940 There is a purpose in what is written, divinely speaking. 09:17.640 --> 09:19.160 There is no entradition. 09:19.980 --> 09:22.620 And the purpose is for four purposes here. 09:22.620 --> 09:27.940 That ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God. 09:28.480 --> 09:33.940 And that believing ye might have life through his name. 09:34.220 --> 09:35.360 Ye might have. 09:35.480 --> 09:36.960 That shocked me. 09:37.280 --> 09:43.620 I mean, it caused a tremendous explosion like dynamite in my heart. 09:43.840 --> 09:47.720 It went through my soul, in my mind, my intellect. 09:48.040 --> 09:51.420 Everything went to the floor. 09:51.420 --> 09:56.400 I could not take a piece of anything that I have learned from tradition, 09:56.760 --> 10:00.100 from the magisterium, and use it against it. 10:00.280 --> 10:02.460 Everything came tumbling down. 10:02.920 --> 10:11.040 Because I knew that the divine purpose by which God has inspired the Holy Spirit was 10:11.040 --> 10:16.580 essentially, especially, for us to be saved through Jesus Christ. 10:16.580 --> 10:17.420 Yes. 10:18.060 --> 10:23.080 So then, Satan, knowing that life is in Christ... 10:23.080 --> 10:23.380 Yes. 10:23.560 --> 10:25.760 You know, who can define life? 10:26.080 --> 10:26.400 Yes. 10:26.500 --> 10:31.240 There's not a scientist, or a genius, or a philosopher in the world that can 10:31.240 --> 10:32.300 define life. 10:32.820 --> 10:34.720 But Christ is life. 10:34.900 --> 10:35.700 There is. 10:35.940 --> 10:38.840 But reading this, I will not see as you mentioned right now. 10:38.840 --> 10:45.540 Reading this, what was being confronted is that I have in my consciousness, 10:45.880 --> 10:51.420 in my life as a priest already, I have all the set of salvation. 10:51.960 --> 10:56.000 Not in the person of Christ, coming from the person of Christ, but based in the 10:56.000 --> 10:56.580 sacraments. 10:57.040 --> 10:59.200 So Satan wanted to blind people... 10:59.200 --> 10:59.520 Yes. 10:59.880 --> 11:05.760 ...to the person, and the reality, and the understanding of Jesus Christ as 11:05.760 --> 11:06.600 being supreme. 11:06.860 --> 11:07.220 Yes. 11:07.900 --> 11:08.420 Yes. 11:08.420 --> 11:14.280 Now, you mention a lot about the departure from the faith, how early it happened. 11:14.420 --> 11:18.220 You speak of Ignatius of Antioch... 11:18.900 --> 11:19.360 That's correct. 11:19.360 --> 11:21.480 ...where the name Christian was given for the first time. 11:21.520 --> 11:22.480 They were called Christians. 11:22.620 --> 11:22.920 Yes. 11:23.260 --> 11:25.240 And then he began to change that... 11:25.240 --> 11:25.660 To change that. 11:25.680 --> 11:27.220 ...as early as the first century. 11:27.220 --> 11:28.340 Oh, the first century, yes. 11:28.720 --> 11:32.440 And it happened, I believe this to be very prophetical, very prophetical. 11:33.600 --> 11:39.800 It told me already while I was a Jesuit priest, and studying the so-called early 11:39.800 --> 11:45.240 fathers of the Church, that he was the first of the so-called early fathers. 11:45.480 --> 11:47.640 He was the first, Ignatius. 11:48.100 --> 11:54.520 And being so that he was in the same city, the apostle Paul never knew about him. 11:55.000 --> 11:56.420 Peter never knew about him. 11:56.820 --> 12:02.200 Nevertheless, tradition said that he was a follower of the apostles, a successor of 12:02.200 --> 12:02.620 the apostles. 12:02.760 --> 12:04.460 But the apostles knew nothing. 12:04.860 --> 12:05.780 Yeah, they never heard of Ignatius. 12:05.800 --> 12:06.640 That shocked me. 12:07.840 --> 12:12.440 As a Jesuit priest, I said, how in the world these men knew them and they knew 12:12.440 --> 12:13.200 him not? 12:13.560 --> 12:13.940 Yes. 12:13.940 --> 12:19.860 And suddenly, the second thing that blew my mind, intellectually speaking not only, 12:19.960 --> 12:26.500 but religiously speaking, is that finally I found out in the writings of Ignatius of 12:26.500 --> 12:33.820 Antioch that he himself was the first to come with the idea that the name Christian 12:33.820 --> 12:36.060 should be replaced by the name Catholic. 12:36.780 --> 12:36.880 Yes. 12:37.400 --> 12:41.500 Now, the name Christian then was lost in history almost. 12:41.520 --> 12:43.920 Oh, it was because... 12:43.920 --> 12:47.460 The replacement already began to take place with Ignatius already. 12:48.100 --> 12:55.040 That's why I speak of you as being a very rare and rugged independent thinker. 12:56.020 --> 12:59.440 You know, James O'Kelly said, I'm going to call myself a Christian. 13:00.260 --> 13:05.840 And that was difficult for him to do because for 1,700 or so years, 13:05.960 --> 13:07.580 no one had ever been called Christian. 13:07.620 --> 13:08.460 That's hard to believe. 13:08.760 --> 13:08.840 Yes. 13:08.840 --> 13:12.800 But he had to come out and suffer just to wear the name Christian. 13:13.000 --> 13:15.020 That had been lost over those years. 13:15.920 --> 13:19.000 And you also mentioned 666. 13:19.300 --> 13:23.760 You know, there's so much confusion. 13:25.060 --> 13:28.700 Somebody says 666 is a machine, it's a computer. 13:29.080 --> 13:29.580 Yes, yes. 13:29.780 --> 13:31.620 The Bible said it was a man, not a computer. 13:31.840 --> 13:33.660 A Russian, a Chinese, a Muslim. 13:33.660 --> 13:34.420 Right, right. 13:34.500 --> 13:35.400 It's kind of funny. 13:36.580 --> 13:41.940 It's really childishness when it comes to the book of Revelation. 13:42.820 --> 13:48.900 And yet, if we're seeing this mystery of iniquity rising so early in history, 13:49.020 --> 13:54.260 even as early as Ignatius, then whatever we're talking about can't be something in 13:54.260 --> 13:54.680 the future. 13:55.020 --> 13:56.080 Absolutely not. 13:56.080 --> 14:01.000 It's something that John could possibly see beginning through the Judaizers. 14:01.320 --> 14:05.700 The Judaizers certainly were given the early church of Christ's fits. 14:06.260 --> 14:12.300 And then he had to see it rising through the beastology of Rome. 14:12.520 --> 14:12.720 Yes. 14:13.100 --> 14:19.400 And then continuing all the way down to Christ destroys this Antichrist with the 14:19.400 --> 14:20.140 breath of his mouth. 14:20.260 --> 14:22.740 Really, we can't destroy the Roman church. 14:22.920 --> 14:23.100 No. 14:23.100 --> 14:27.640 You and I, and all the men in the world today, we can't do it because one thing 14:27.640 --> 14:29.980 about the Roman church is it fulfills prophecy. 14:29.980 --> 14:31.480 Yes, it fulfills prophecy. 14:31.940 --> 14:38.480 In dealing with the 666, I would like to refer to the Four Horsemen, the fifth part 14:38.480 --> 14:40.400 of the testimony of Christ in my life. 14:40.400 --> 14:50.060 Since I wrote, I identified very well the 666 was one of the first titles that popes 14:50.060 --> 14:53.440 are given and granted by the cardinal college. 14:53.820 --> 15:00.200 The cardinal college, after the general Jesuit appoint two cardinals to be the 15:00.200 --> 15:05.180 ones among whom a pope must be selected. 15:05.180 --> 15:13.980 The black pope is the one that chooses two cardinals from the members of the cardinal 15:13.980 --> 15:20.840 college in order for them to choose among themselves one of the two to be a pope, 15:20.980 --> 15:21.540 the next pope. 15:21.760 --> 15:26.460 Once that happens, and this is a tremendous elaboration, we don't have the 15:26.460 --> 15:31.440 time to go into the details, but once that happens, all of this is fulfilling 15:31.440 --> 15:31.880 prophecy. 15:31.880 --> 15:37.360 Because even Jesus Christ prophesies about this dynasty, this dynasty they are 15:37.360 --> 15:38.180 involved in. 15:38.220 --> 15:41.880 They are called the princes of the church, the cardinal college. 15:42.280 --> 15:44.980 That means that this is fulfilling prophecy. 15:45.300 --> 15:49.700 In chapter 24 of Matthew, verse 5, already Jesus prophesied. 15:50.040 --> 15:54.460 In that direction we find chapter 6 of the book of Revelation, chapter 13, 15:54.820 --> 15:57.380 chapter 17, chapter 18, chapter 19. 15:57.380 --> 16:02.120 Always in the book of Revelation, even coming all the way from the prophet 16:02.120 --> 16:07.400 Daniel, that these men should have a combination of a religious and political 16:07.400 --> 16:07.920 power. 16:08.520 --> 16:09.700 And this is very clear. 16:10.700 --> 16:16.900 666 already developed from the first title of that particular man that would hold two 16:16.900 --> 16:17.860 offices in one. 16:17.860 --> 16:19.680 Two offices in one. 16:20.240 --> 16:27.280 That is, tu es vicarios filis Dei, a transliteration from the Latin root 16:27.280 --> 16:34.960 meaning, you are the one that takes the place of the Son of God, Jesus Christ. 16:34.960 --> 16:36.300 God substitutes son. 16:36.660 --> 16:38.680 Say that again now in Latin. 16:39.140 --> 16:42.500 Yes, tu es vicarios filis Dei. 16:42.740 --> 16:45.560 God substitutes son, taking the place of God's Son. 16:45.560 --> 16:46.180 Taking the place. 16:46.280 --> 16:48.000 Now, the transliteration... 16:48.000 --> 16:49.320 Now you've had a 666... 16:49.320 --> 16:56.500 You take each syllable into Roman numbers and come out 666. 16:57.080 --> 16:57.420 All right. 16:57.520 --> 16:58.380 But not only that. 16:58.960 --> 17:02.900 Latinus, that is the root Latin for Latin. 17:02.960 --> 17:03.560 Latinus. 17:03.620 --> 17:04.340 Latinus. 17:04.560 --> 17:04.760 Yes, yes. 17:04.940 --> 17:09.500 That in Greek will develop into the same form. 17:09.720 --> 17:11.920 It will develop in 666. 17:11.920 --> 17:17.320 Now Latin is a very special language and there is no doubt that it is the language 17:17.320 --> 17:18.280 of the Antichrist. 17:18.720 --> 17:19.860 Yes, Latinus. 17:20.020 --> 17:20.220 Yes. 17:20.460 --> 17:23.080 He was the founder of the Latin race, I understand. 17:23.400 --> 17:23.760 Definite. 17:25.740 --> 17:34.120 And the Roman Catholic Bishop John Purcell debated Alexander Campbell in... 17:34.120 --> 17:34.820 I remember that. 17:34.920 --> 17:35.320 Right. 17:35.360 --> 17:37.520 I knew about that being a Jesuit priest. 17:37.780 --> 17:39.400 You knew about it when you were a priest? 17:39.440 --> 17:39.560 Yes. 17:39.560 --> 17:40.140 Is that right? 17:40.140 --> 17:40.280 Yes. 17:40.280 --> 17:43.920 And Jesuits hated so much Alexander Campbell as they did hate the reformers, 17:44.040 --> 17:45.040 the Protestant reformers. 17:45.340 --> 17:53.320 Because it happened that when a man in Christianity lives his Christian life 17:53.320 --> 17:57.220 without touching Catholic teaching, there is no problem. 17:57.620 --> 18:05.480 The problem comes when that Christian begins to evangelize the Catholics and 18:05.480 --> 18:10.180 evangelize the people that has embraced such a tradition. 18:10.560 --> 18:13.740 And they become in confrontation with religion. 18:14.020 --> 18:15.860 That is when they create problems. 18:15.900 --> 18:20.960 You have a tremendous burden and a tremendous compassion for the Roman 18:20.960 --> 18:21.680 Church. 18:21.820 --> 18:22.240 Definite. 18:22.420 --> 18:29.400 You remind me a lot of Paul who mentioned when he said, My heart's desire for Israel 18:29.400 --> 18:30.460 is that they might be saved. 18:30.660 --> 18:35.660 You may say your heart's desire and prayer for the Catholicism. 18:35.680 --> 18:37.500 For the salvation of the Catholic people, yes. 18:40.620 --> 18:48.660 When Campbell debated Purcell, he mentioned that Latinos, the Greek 18:48.660 --> 18:51.800 equivalency, the numerical value was 666. 18:52.680 --> 18:54.700 And then he mentioned that Haas... 18:56.580 --> 18:57.640 John Haas, yes. 18:57.640 --> 19:05.080 Haas Basileus Latineus, which is the Latin kingdom, though more words, yet still 19:05.080 --> 19:07.620 equivalent to 666. 19:07.980 --> 19:08.600 That's correct. 19:08.760 --> 19:15.040 Purcell challenged him and said, Well, I can make Alexander Campbell come 19:15.040 --> 19:15.720 out 666. 19:16.920 --> 19:19.080 And Campbell said, If you do... 19:19.080 --> 19:19.540 No way. 19:19.620 --> 19:21.860 He said, I will give you the victory. 19:22.060 --> 19:22.340 Yes. 19:22.340 --> 19:27.440 And he said, I don't know anything about numerics nor numerology. 19:27.960 --> 19:28.060 Yes. 19:29.560 --> 19:33.320 And Campbell said it would do you well to learn the numerical alphabet. 19:33.880 --> 19:34.040 Yes. 19:34.040 --> 19:38.040 It would help you in understanding because it said let him who has wisdom... 19:38.040 --> 19:38.340 Yes. 19:39.400 --> 19:41.300 ...compute the number 666. 19:42.020 --> 19:43.300 You have to have a little wisdom. 19:43.700 --> 19:43.900 Yes. 19:43.980 --> 19:45.460 And you have gotten that. 19:45.760 --> 19:48.240 In fact, you heard about this when you were a Jesuit priest. 19:48.340 --> 19:50.660 I still a Jesuit when I hear about the debate. 19:51.080 --> 19:51.660 Yes, definitely. 19:52.280 --> 19:59.240 And, as a matter of fact, Archbishop Purcell was put in disgrace by the 19:59.240 --> 20:00.800 hierarchy because of that debate. 20:01.000 --> 20:01.840 Because of that debate. 20:01.900 --> 20:02.540 Oh, yeah, definitely. 20:03.160 --> 20:05.260 It was not made public, but that is what happened. 20:05.900 --> 20:11.040 Now, when they disgrace a man, is that like a coach losing a ball game or 20:11.040 --> 20:11.340 something? 20:12.780 --> 20:14.560 They become ashamed of him because of the ball game. 20:14.560 --> 20:15.300 They are ashamed of him. 20:15.420 --> 20:15.940 That is correct. 20:16.100 --> 20:17.140 And what do they do? 20:17.140 --> 20:21.200 Do they just put him in infamy or something? 20:21.320 --> 20:21.900 That is correct. 20:22.060 --> 20:24.080 They bring him to a ecclesiastical trial. 20:24.480 --> 20:26.300 They bring him to a ecclesiastical trial. 20:26.700 --> 20:35.160 That will give you a sign, speaking of 666, of how that developed even in action. 20:36.740 --> 20:44.000 Because these trials are the reflection of a very despotic dictatorship of the 20:44.000 --> 20:46.560 papacy, of the hierarchy. 20:46.560 --> 20:48.900 And there is no doubt about it. 20:49.320 --> 20:54.560 We can see this in Revelation, in Prophets of Revelation, chapter 13. 20:54.800 --> 20:59.140 By the time that we see that this combination of these two powers already 20:59.140 --> 21:06.220 are declaring such a despotism, such a despotic behavior of power, 21:06.340 --> 21:06.620 you know. 21:08.440 --> 21:14.500 The cardinal that is chosen to be a pope immediately is selected by the Jesuit 21:14.500 --> 21:20.020 general, giving him three things that coincide with Revelation, chapter 13, 21:20.400 --> 21:23.360 about a mark, a name, and a number. 21:24.140 --> 21:25.380 Now, what is that? 21:25.980 --> 21:33.020 As the pope, as the cardinals are being chosen for that office, they are given a 21:33.020 --> 21:33.560 new name. 21:33.900 --> 21:34.460 Look at this. 21:35.080 --> 21:36.380 They are given a new name. 21:36.380 --> 21:43.400 They are given, beside the new name, they are given, or I would say, 21:43.660 --> 21:47.160 beginning, let me read chapter 13 of the book of Revelation. 21:47.440 --> 21:54.780 It says here is, verse 17, 18, here is wisdom. 21:55.540 --> 21:59.520 Let that hath understand the count the number of the beast, for it is the number 21:59.520 --> 22:00.140 of a man. 22:00.140 --> 22:05.620 What that means, being the number of a man, he is given that number as any pope 22:05.620 --> 22:10.740 is given the name, a new name, and a number, like a John Paul II. 22:11.280 --> 22:13.540 And at the same time, he is given a mark. 22:13.880 --> 22:16.500 He is being branded to die as a pope. 22:17.020 --> 22:17.460 He is. 22:17.620 --> 22:24.260 His mark, his seal, he cannot resign, he cannot reject the office, he dies as a 22:24.260 --> 22:24.260 pope. 22:24.260 --> 22:25.920 He could never repent, could he? 22:26.020 --> 22:26.220 Absolutely. 22:26.220 --> 22:29.780 And he could never turn to Christ and yield to him. 22:29.780 --> 22:30.320 Absolutely. 22:30.540 --> 22:35.280 His mind is totally yielded to the Antichrist spirit. 22:35.300 --> 22:36.220 It is already a mark. 22:36.420 --> 22:36.600 Yes. 22:36.640 --> 22:37.440 It's a mark on him. 22:37.920 --> 22:39.740 It talks about the man of perdition. 22:40.040 --> 22:40.280 Yes. 22:40.320 --> 22:41.880 That's about the same description. 22:42.280 --> 22:42.560 Very much. 22:42.560 --> 22:43.720 Perdition means ruin. 22:43.940 --> 22:44.380 Very much. 22:44.420 --> 22:44.860 Loss. 22:45.140 --> 22:45.580 Very much. 22:45.620 --> 22:46.340 Total loss. 22:46.540 --> 22:46.700 Yes. 22:47.060 --> 22:48.640 He could repent no more than Satan. 22:48.760 --> 22:49.440 No, absolutely. 22:49.700 --> 22:49.880 Right. 22:49.920 --> 22:53.840 He has committed, as a matter of fact, the impermeable sin, the sin of death. 22:54.900 --> 22:59.520 Once he replaced not only God, not only Christ, but he replaced, 22:59.720 --> 23:03.640 according to tradition, Catholic tradition, he replaced the Holy Spirit. 23:04.280 --> 23:05.080 Oh, my Lord. 23:06.200 --> 23:07.840 Truth shall make you free. 23:08.200 --> 23:08.980 Yes, man. 23:09.500 --> 23:11.420 There is no freedom without truth. 23:12.320 --> 23:21.180 It's painful, but we need to have loving, compassionate, tender-hearted men like Dr. 23:21.320 --> 23:24.400 Rivera, who are not ashamed of the truth. 23:24.840 --> 23:29.720 Now, in the Judgment Day, no one can point a finger at this man and say, you didn't 23:29.720 --> 23:30.560 tell us the truth. 23:31.260 --> 23:37.420 Again, the Preach the Word broadcast is committed to dispensing the truth, 23:37.780 --> 23:40.520 undiluted and unvarnished truth. 23:41.320 --> 23:46.760 Next week, Dr. Rivera will be with us again, and we're going to be giving more 23:46.760 --> 23:52.920 detailed description to the 13th chapter of Revelation, and a little more 23:52.920 --> 23:59.780 description to the prophetic understanding of Romanism and the outgrowth of political 23:59.780 --> 24:06.980 Rome into religious Rome, and how that even Protestantism, which are children of 24:06.980 --> 24:10.020 the mother, developed down through the ages. 24:10.940 --> 24:15.320 Dr. Rivera, we just love you dearly. 24:15.460 --> 24:16.120 Thank you, sir. 24:16.300 --> 24:17.080 Thank you very much. 24:17.260 --> 24:18.480 It's been a blessing being here. 24:18.480 --> 24:23.960 Hearing you speak is as delightful as reading your books. 24:24.120 --> 24:24.520 Thank you. 24:25.180 --> 24:29.440 I would like to say something for the benefit of our audiences here. 24:29.820 --> 24:36.000 That if they care to have personal contact with me, they can do so by writing to the 24:36.000 --> 24:38.720 address that has been already given. 24:39.280 --> 24:43.600 And at the same time, they can reach for the literature that we have. 24:43.640 --> 24:44.760 We have plenty to offer. 24:45.240 --> 24:47.680 And the different conversions of different priests. 24:48.260 --> 24:51.820 And one little booklet that I would like to call attention is this one. 24:52.620 --> 24:59.260 And this is in reply to many slanders and accusations that have come against my 24:59.260 --> 25:03.680 life, my ministry, my testimony in different forms. 25:03.980 --> 25:08.180 And this is the book that we would like to call attention among many others that we 25:08.180 --> 25:08.440 have. 25:08.760 --> 25:10.020 Our time is short. 25:10.440 --> 25:12.780 Come back next week for the Priesthood Word Broadcast. 25:13.140 --> 25:18.620 Order these books and hear more about this man of God, Dr. Alberto Rivera. 25:18.620 --> 25:19.620 Thank you for listening. 25:20.020 --> 25:21.720 May God bless you until next week.