WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:04.580 I'm really thankful that in these last days of time, there are still people that 00:04.580 --> 00:07.620 are willing to make a stand and to do something for the Lord in this late hour 00:07.620 --> 00:08.920 of time, no matter what it costs. 00:09.280 --> 00:12.780 We're very privileged, as I said before, to have with us tonight Dr. Alberto 00:12.780 --> 00:14.260 Rivera, who has made this stand. 00:14.340 --> 00:15.580 He's an ex-Jesuit priest. 00:15.860 --> 00:17.060 Dr. Rivera, praise the Lord. 00:22.680 --> 00:23.480 Praise Him. 00:24.000 --> 00:27.180 To Him be the glory now and forever. 00:27.800 --> 00:28.200 Yes. 00:29.260 --> 00:36.140 What a wonderful thing to know and to see that as the days go by, prophecies are 00:36.140 --> 00:42.920 being fulfilled and the people of God are getting together, yes, in preparation for 00:42.920 --> 00:50.260 the greatest event on earth and heaven, the great celebrations of the weddings of 00:50.260 --> 00:50.660 the Lamb. 00:51.640 --> 00:58.080 Certainly, for all that glory, the cross will be changed. 00:58.960 --> 01:01.400 But it takes us a little time. 01:02.100 --> 01:05.420 It will take us a little work to get there. 01:06.360 --> 01:11.280 And we should do it with honor and with joy. 01:12.640 --> 01:17.760 I have with me this evening a converted Roman Catholic nun. 01:18.600 --> 01:25.400 And this is one of the many nuns and priests that are coming to the Lord Jesus 01:25.400 --> 01:26.120 Christ. 01:27.240 --> 01:33.660 Certainly, it pays off for even you to go and give a tract to someone. 01:34.760 --> 01:38.980 The result, you'll never see it entirely. 01:39.980 --> 01:45.660 Until we get to heaven, we will know what that tract did in the life of many people. 01:47.060 --> 01:52.640 Then it pays off to serve Christ and be faithful to His church. 01:53.140 --> 02:02.680 It pays off to go as far as He calls us to go, regardless of the cost, because we see 02:02.680 --> 02:09.260 these constant living testimonies as a result of the work and conviction of the 02:09.260 --> 02:11.940 Holy Spirit through the Word of God. 02:12.440 --> 02:17.660 In the life of nuns and priests, more than generally speaking in the life 02:17.660 --> 02:24.720 of Roman Catholic people, today, in response to all these imitations that 02:24.720 --> 02:30.700 you see and watch on television, many priests and many nuns and many 02:30.700 --> 02:33.620 different religious programs are going on. 02:34.640 --> 02:39.100 And people almost are persuaded to believe that these priests are truly Christians. 02:39.820 --> 02:43.980 People not only almost persuaded to believe, people already believe. 02:44.540 --> 02:49.660 Of course, when someone believes that this is a reality in the life of a priest, 02:50.100 --> 02:54.600 that they go back to the mass after the show was over, and go back to the 02:54.600 --> 03:00.860 confession, and go back to the Pope, and go back to Mary, and go back to the 03:00.860 --> 03:06.720 saints, and go back to his rosary, then I will not only say that there is 03:06.720 --> 03:10.600 something wrong with that priest, but I will say there is something wrong 03:10.600 --> 03:14.460 with the people that believe that he could be a Christian. 03:16.300 --> 03:23.100 Then we have both sides, and God wants to respond to that in a very effective, 03:23.480 --> 03:26.780 powerful way, as only God can do it. 03:27.880 --> 03:36.080 This testimony of Sister Ilduara Bamunde is one of the many that God is using as a 03:36.080 --> 03:41.880 response, the greatest and most powerful response to all these masquerade and 03:41.880 --> 03:45.340 imitation that you even watch on television going on today. 03:46.820 --> 03:49.040 The Lord is doing His work, there is no doubt. 03:49.420 --> 03:51.160 He takes His time too, you know. 03:51.800 --> 03:52.800 He lives in eternity. 03:54.160 --> 03:55.280 He takes His time. 03:55.800 --> 04:01.900 But when the time comes, then the world will be better prepared. 04:02.800 --> 04:08.340 I would like for her to bring to you a briefing testimony of her conversion, 04:09.160 --> 04:13.220 and she is going to speak in Spanish, I will try to translate into English, 04:14.080 --> 04:19.960 and then we will at least have an idea how many things. 04:20.640 --> 04:26.380 She is not going to be able to go into details of many things, but at least those 04:26.380 --> 04:30.760 who can listen in Spanish, she has the tapes of her testimony, complete testimony 04:30.760 --> 04:35.920 in Spanish, those who can hear, and very soon she will have those 04:35.920 --> 04:37.920 testimonies in English too. 04:38.600 --> 04:45.140 But how many of you have read or hear of Sister Charlotte here in America, 04:45.340 --> 04:47.000 the conversion of an ex-nun? 04:47.080 --> 04:51.760 Let me see your hands of those who have read or hear of the conversion of Sister 04:51.760 --> 04:52.220 Charlotte. 04:52.540 --> 04:53.260 Now, very few. 04:53.780 --> 05:00.540 But for those who do not know or have not been able to read, that was a nun 50 years 05:00.540 --> 05:06.720 ago almost, and she was converted, and she was brought out of the convent, 05:07.340 --> 05:09.540 and they took her back again. 05:10.140 --> 05:14.440 After they catch up with her, they forced her to go back, because she was in a 05:14.440 --> 05:21.520 cloister, and a nun in a cloister cannot survive, cannot live outside of a convent. 05:21.800 --> 05:27.920 If she escaped, and she did not go out under dispensation, as it is called, 05:28.320 --> 05:36.460 then they will bring her back and keep her for the rest of her life under terrible 05:36.460 --> 05:37.240 punishment. 05:37.680 --> 05:43.380 They call it flagellation, of course, it's torch, but they gave a religious 05:43.380 --> 05:48.640 terminology as flagellation of the flesh, that is torch. 05:48.900 --> 05:56.400 Our sister was placed under torch from her head down to her feet. 05:57.200 --> 06:03.740 She bear the marks of these torches that she received in the convent. 06:04.340 --> 06:12.400 When she was able, finally, to realize, not even saved yet, but even much before 06:12.400 --> 06:16.260 she was saved, as happened with me, as you can see throughout these 06:16.260 --> 06:22.400 experiences that I have related to you, that during these confrontations we did 06:22.400 --> 06:31.120 have these punishments, because in many instances I cannot resist the idea of 06:31.120 --> 06:36.140 speaking of the very things that I was being confronted by the Bible, 06:36.480 --> 06:37.820 by the Word of God. 06:38.780 --> 06:46.360 Then she had some reasons to speak up, and they silenced her with torches and 06:46.360 --> 06:53.340 punishment until the day that she received Jesus Christ as her Lord and Savior, 06:53.860 --> 06:56.800 and she was free, entirely free. 06:57.620 --> 06:58.980 Now, she is from Colombia. 06:59.120 --> 07:03.780 She has spent a great deal of time in the Colombian mountains and the Amazon 07:03.780 --> 07:11.080 regions, reaching and teaching the Indian population in these areas as a nun. 07:11.680 --> 07:18.880 And there is where she received, through all these trials, she received the 07:18.880 --> 07:23.840 light of the Gospel, and through the Gospel she received the knowledge of her 07:23.840 --> 07:25.700 Savior, Jesus Christ. 07:26.180 --> 07:32.880 Allow me to introduce Sister Ilduara Bahamundi, and she will speak to you 07:32.880 --> 07:33.600 briefly. 07:39.460 --> 07:40.780 God bless you. 07:41.540 --> 07:44.200 My name is Ilduara Bahamundi. 07:44.900 --> 07:51.000 I am Colombian, and I know that most of you speak English, you don't speak 07:51.000 --> 07:51.400 Spanish. 07:52.040 --> 07:59.560 But tonight, for me, it is a joy to be with you and to share some experience. 07:59.900 --> 08:07.180 I am filled with joy to see a group of people who give testimony of the rescue of 08:07.180 --> 08:09.020 Jesus Christ in this time. 08:09.520 --> 08:15.360 It is an evidence, the salvation, the reality of a living Christ for this 08:15.360 --> 08:15.780 time. 08:16.220 --> 08:24.660 My experience was in a convent for 12 years, and from there the Lord was working 08:24.660 --> 08:32.300 as a missionary monk among the indigenous people, the tribe of the Ticuna Indians in 08:32.300 --> 08:32.700 the Amazon. 08:33.540 --> 08:35.900 Now, she went too far. 08:38.440 --> 08:44.120 Now, you will benefit, those who understand Spanish, but I'm going to be 08:44.120 --> 08:44.940 briefer than that. 08:45.680 --> 08:52.440 Now, you already hear her name, and she is praising God, because at the 08:52.440 --> 08:58.140 time that she arrived here among you, as happened with me, she realized that 08:58.140 --> 09:03.300 truly the Lord Jesus Christ has been worshipped here and has been honored here. 09:03.900 --> 09:10.760 And then she blessed the Lord for that, knowing how you too have been delivered 09:10.760 --> 09:15.000 from the powers of darkness in many areas of your life. 09:15.720 --> 09:20.800 That is a thrilling experience, because it reminds her from her own 09:20.800 --> 09:24.480 experience what the Lord has done for her. 09:24.960 --> 09:29.960 As she mentioned, and I did mention, she was, by the time that she started now 09:29.960 --> 09:36.240 giving you a brief testimony, she started mentioning where and what area of Colombia 09:36.240 --> 09:38.260 she was working with the Indians. 09:39.220 --> 09:47.040 When, at the age of nine, I decided to enter the convent of Sierva de la Madre de 09:47.040 --> 09:53.480 Dios, it was with a question, with a purpose, and the purpose was to know the 09:53.480 --> 09:53.740 truth. 09:54.820 --> 09:59.800 I had already been told that the truth was in the Holy Mother Church. 10:00.220 --> 10:06.020 I was nine years old when, that is the first stage of her experience, 10:06.380 --> 10:12.560 I was nine years old when I was inside, invited, persuaded to go to a convent. 10:13.800 --> 10:18.900 And that is usually, and my own sister even went about seven when she was seven 10:18.900 --> 10:19.520 years old. 10:19.740 --> 10:24.920 You can imagine what has happened in many centuries in the past when this was 10:24.920 --> 10:28.520 allowed to take place, even under the laws of every country. 10:29.000 --> 10:34.360 Then, when she was already nine years old, the question that brought her to the 10:34.360 --> 10:40.120 convent already was to find and search where was the truth. 10:40.940 --> 10:45.340 And she questioned the Mother Superior when she had the interview with the Mother 10:45.340 --> 10:48.520 Superior about where she can find the truth. 10:48.840 --> 10:50.920 Shall her find the truth there? 10:51.260 --> 11:01.600 She said, my dear girl, I can promise you, I can guarantee you that the truth is with 11:01.600 --> 11:04.500 our Holy Mother Church. 11:50.420 --> 11:59.280 As I went into the convent, and I was taken in 12 years later, I already took my 11:59.280 --> 12:03.260 first vows, and two different types of vows. 12:03.500 --> 12:08.500 One are temporal vows that you can be released from, and then there are the 12:08.500 --> 12:13.340 perpetual vows, the eternal vows that you can never be released from. 12:13.800 --> 12:16.920 It's the case of a priest that is ordained the same thing. 12:17.420 --> 12:21.700 He is ordained forever priest, regardless whether he become a criminal, 12:22.140 --> 12:26.640 whether he commit the greatest immoralities or whatever, even if he quit, 12:26.900 --> 12:29.160 he is still a priest forever. 12:29.440 --> 12:30.800 We will talk about that later. 12:31.320 --> 12:37.420 In the meantime, throughout these 12 years, she went on and on searching for 12:37.420 --> 12:42.440 that very question or that very answer of the question that brought her into the 12:42.440 --> 12:42.680 convent. 12:42.860 --> 12:44.000 Where is the truth? 12:44.540 --> 12:50.380 And actually, she went into further, deeper study, as in her case, in her 12:50.380 --> 12:57.160 convent, not all the convents take the same measures and the same studies that 12:57.160 --> 13:03.660 she was in, but throughout all this time, she was already ordained or prepared as a 13:03.660 --> 13:07.800 nun after all the different steps that she had to take. 13:45.160 --> 13:46.040 Amen. 13:47.900 --> 13:54.220 Throughout that time then, as a nun, she started getting closer to discover 13:54.220 --> 14:04.820 that already was kind, and she used the term veil, was a veil that will stop her 14:04.820 --> 14:11.420 from seeking any further or searching any deeper or seeing any further. 14:12.060 --> 14:18.160 That veil is, as she put it, is the tradition, was the tradition. 14:18.320 --> 14:22.740 It happened for her as a nun, happened for me as a priest, and for everybody, 14:23.020 --> 14:25.200 even for any single Roman Catholic. 14:25.720 --> 14:33.640 When she felt more need of Christ than ever before, that veil, it will be there, 14:33.760 --> 14:39.460 it will be present, the manipulations of the traditions to a point that you could 14:39.460 --> 14:45.120 not go any further, even in your most urgent desires and needs about Christ, 14:45.360 --> 14:46.220 the person of Christ. 14:46.360 --> 14:52.920 She said, the difference is that while she experienced the intellectual knowledge, 14:53.140 --> 14:58.220 is that idea, the intellectual knowledge about the name of Jesus, she could not 14:58.220 --> 15:00.760 conceive the person of Jesus. 15:01.040 --> 15:06.460 She could not embrace, she could not be rescued by, she could not touch, 15:07.100 --> 15:14.680 always was that intellectual idea of Christ, I have Jesus, but that is how far 15:14.680 --> 15:15.960 she was from him. 16:10.120 --> 16:19.220 As I went on, and my need of Christ, I was brought to the knowledge of the 16:19.220 --> 16:20.680 functions of the priesthood. 16:21.540 --> 16:28.720 And to me as a nun, as it has happened for everybody else, that particular person, 16:28.880 --> 16:32.260 that priest, was the closer saint to Christ. 16:33.120 --> 16:38.800 And then suddenly from the priest up to the Pope, he will be closer, he will be 16:38.800 --> 16:42.780 more real Christ according to that veil, that tradition. 16:43.240 --> 16:50.080 Of course, then I found that through the scripture, as I read Hebrew chapter 5, 16:50.780 --> 16:57.320 there was only one high priest, and that high priest was Jesus Christ 16:57.320 --> 16:59.220 himself and was in heaven. 16:59.220 --> 17:04.980 He was not in the Vatican, he was not Gregory the first, or Damascus the first, 17:05.240 --> 17:08.820 he was Jesus Christ and still being so. 17:39.220 --> 17:46.600 Throughout a space of seven years, it took me not only to believe that there 17:46.600 --> 17:52.580 was the church, that I was, but throughout the struggle of finding the truth, 17:53.220 --> 17:57.220 I became more desperate, but at the same time she became more militant, 17:57.560 --> 18:03.940 because she was sent to protect the Catholic faith with other nuns into 18:03.940 --> 18:09.580 certain areas of Colombia where preachers, they were preaching the gospel. 18:10.420 --> 18:14.500 And every time that a preacher, a missionary went into these fields, 18:14.700 --> 18:19.480 these areas, then the bishops will call these nuns to their commons and will 18:19.480 --> 18:24.540 commission them through the Mother Superior to go into these places and get 18:24.540 --> 18:29.380 rid of these evangelicals, of these Christians, regardless of the cost. 18:29.820 --> 18:37.260 And no matter how, they were there, as she put it, to defend, to protect the 18:37.260 --> 18:40.960 Catholic people from, you know what, heresy, they said. 19:16.660 --> 19:23.480 And the means of that struggle, in persecuting Christians, I found two 19:23.480 --> 19:28.880 differences, that not all those believers, that so-called believers and so-called 19:28.880 --> 19:33.120 Christians and so-called preachers and pastors and missionaries, they were not 19:33.120 --> 19:33.460 all. 19:33.680 --> 19:40.680 She could detect something was different, because while others were trying to make 19:40.680 --> 19:47.060 peace with Rome, others were rejecting Rome to their very life and blood. 19:47.400 --> 19:48.720 She noticed that difference. 19:49.080 --> 19:52.500 There were some missionaries that, at any cost, they will make peace, 19:52.600 --> 19:57.240 they will find a place for dialogue with the priests and the nuns, and they will 19:57.240 --> 19:58.980 all be brothers and sisters. 19:59.460 --> 20:02.260 But she detected that, and she was not a Christian. 20:33.640 --> 20:35.280 Praise the Lord. 20:35.640 --> 20:42.860 As I noticed that difference, I went to see a man, and I confront him, 20:43.200 --> 20:44.300 I face him. 20:44.840 --> 20:49.380 And that was a very different one of all the evangelists and preachers and 20:49.380 --> 20:51.760 missionaries that I came across. 20:52.000 --> 20:57.340 Because when I spoke to that man, why he was not willing to keep the peace, 20:57.340 --> 21:02.080 and why he would not conceive the Catholic people as Christians and the Roman 21:02.080 --> 21:06.440 Catholic institution as a Christian church, he said, no, there is no such a 21:06.440 --> 21:06.700 thing. 21:07.280 --> 21:13.000 He said, no, there is no way that we can make peace until you surrender to Jesus 21:13.000 --> 21:13.640 Christ. 21:14.680 --> 21:18.080 And there is only one way, and it is written here. 21:18.660 --> 21:24.600 Therefore, being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord 21:24.600 --> 21:27.500 Jesus Christ, Romans chapter 5. 21:28.180 --> 21:34.660 And he quoted to her that through the Word of God, he was commissioned and commanded 21:34.660 --> 21:41.640 only to keep peace, and people are called and invited to keep peace with God through 21:41.640 --> 21:44.240 Christ, not to compromise us. 21:51.640 --> 21:57.880 So I decided to seek and know the Christ that this man had. 21:58.240 --> 22:00.480 He was the living Christ, he was the real Christ. 22:01.560 --> 22:07.580 And during a Mass in the convent, perhaps the last Mass to which I 22:07.580 --> 22:12.500 participated, the Superior General said to me, you are going to listen and you are 22:12.500 --> 22:15.200 going to participate in this Mass from the heart. 22:15.580 --> 22:21.400 I had never participated in that Mass, but I knew that the Hebrew book of Isaiah 22:21.400 --> 22:29.300 says that every priest is celebrating day after day useless sacrifices that cannot 22:29.300 --> 22:37.380 erase your sins, but Christ, having offered a single sacrifice for sin, 22:37.520 --> 22:40.180 has made us perfect forever. 22:40.580 --> 22:41.540 Praise God. 22:41.880 --> 22:49.600 Through this witness, this truly Christian servant of Christ, I became concerned 22:49.600 --> 22:55.140 about the words that he said from the Scripture and many other things that he 22:55.140 --> 22:57.220 transmitted and told me. 22:57.880 --> 23:04.820 And as the days went by, I was very picky from then on, questioning everything that 23:04.820 --> 23:07.640 I did and questioning the Mother Superior. 23:07.820 --> 23:12.400 And this is where my troubles started, really, with the convent. 23:12.820 --> 23:16.120 Through the reading of the Scripture and through the testimony that I was 23:16.120 --> 23:24.020 receiving, then I was called by the Mother Superior and after some times of penance 23:24.020 --> 23:29.380 and punishments that she was going through, some trials, the Mother Superior 23:29.380 --> 23:32.400 recommended her to attend this Mass. 23:32.460 --> 23:37.780 There was a special Mass to be celebrated in the convent and asked her to be there 23:37.780 --> 23:44.600 to recant from all her doubts and all of her insecurities about the Catholic 23:44.600 --> 23:51.320 doctrines that she must once for all get rid of all these doubts about the Catholic 23:51.320 --> 23:54.580 institution, the Mother Church, as they call it. 23:54.960 --> 23:58.280 And that Mass was prepared especially for that event. 23:58.620 --> 24:05.560 She must come there with that intention in her heart and make a public act of that 24:05.560 --> 24:06.120 intention. 24:51.640 --> 24:59.000 As I went deeper into this struggle, even during the time of the Mass, 24:59.100 --> 25:03.540 while the Mass was performed, a lot of questions rise up in my mind. 25:04.240 --> 25:13.100 And throughout the 12 years of Norenry, as I can recall, I never have one single 25:13.100 --> 25:19.800 instance where I can be secure, I can have the security that my sins, 25:19.940 --> 25:23.900 my transgressions were washed away by the blood of Jesus Christ. 25:24.100 --> 25:30.180 I came to know and I came to be aware that that Mass, being a bloodless Mass, 25:30.300 --> 25:34.540 a bloodless sacrifice, you should understand as I mentioned yesterday that 25:34.540 --> 25:40.900 the Mass, even so that the Consul of Trent decreed that is the body and the blood and 25:40.900 --> 25:45.700 the soul and the deity of Christ nevertheless, is declared as a bloodless 25:45.700 --> 25:46.300 Mass. 25:47.220 --> 25:53.180 And as she read in Hebrew, she could understand that was needed a blood for 25:53.180 --> 25:54.540 remission of sins. 25:55.360 --> 26:02.580 Now once that Holy Spirit brought her attention to that fact, she was there and 26:02.580 --> 26:08.180 that Mass looking for the real blood that will be able to wash her transgressions 26:08.180 --> 26:10.620 and sins away, but it was not there. 26:32.880 --> 26:41.680 Take Psalm 15, and when you take Psalm 15, it says, Lord, who will enter your 26:41.680 --> 26:42.300 sanctuary? 26:43.060 --> 26:46.700 And when every nun looks at the little piece of paper that has the answer, 26:47.180 --> 26:52.980 we find that the answer is the one of clean hands and pure heart. 26:53.680 --> 26:59.980 But I look at my hands and they are dirty, dirty with idolatry, and my heart is not 26:59.980 --> 27:02.340 pure because there is the root of bitterness. 27:03.300 --> 27:10.080 That is when not only questions arise more and more often, but there is when my 27:10.080 --> 27:16.400 decisions start getting close to find out that the heaviness of my transgressions 27:16.400 --> 27:23.840 and sins were crying loud for forgiveness that I could not receive, for peace that I 27:23.840 --> 27:24.640 could not have. 27:25.020 --> 27:30.580 And this came to be known especially by the priest that was performing the Mass, 27:30.840 --> 27:32.680 reading Psalm 15. 27:33.440 --> 27:38.700 And you can see in different ways how the Holy Spirit used different messages in the 27:38.700 --> 27:43.720 Scripture to bring about that needed conviction of every person. 27:44.180 --> 27:50.580 And while there she was in the same Mass, the priest that was reading Psalm 15 will 27:50.580 --> 27:53.860 say, Lord, who shall abide in thy tabernacle? 27:53.860 --> 27:56.080 Who shall dwell in thy holy hill? 27:56.460 --> 28:01.640 He that walk uprightly and work righteousness and speak the truth in his 28:01.640 --> 28:02.000 heart. 28:02.540 --> 28:07.340 He that titheth not with his tongue, nor doth evil to his neighbor, 28:07.500 --> 28:09.740 nor taking up a reproach against his neighbor. 28:09.980 --> 28:16.500 As he went on, conviction was coming to her from the Lord, knowing that no other 28:16.500 --> 28:22.560 priest, not her, were forgiven or redeemed by Christ at all. 28:22.560 --> 28:24.620 They were all sinners there. 28:25.240 --> 28:31.580 They were all stained with their sins and transgressions, and they were professing 28:31.580 --> 28:38.000 Christ, the one who could wash away all those transgressions and sins. 29:18.680 --> 29:23.360 There is how she conceived the word and that psalm. 29:23.820 --> 29:31.680 She said that immediately she brought to her memory Exodus chapter 20, among 29:31.680 --> 29:37.800 others, the Scripture, as she went through these experiences, and she conceived that 29:37.800 --> 29:45.180 if only those who have their hands clean can be in the tabernacle, then that means 29:45.180 --> 29:46.660 the kingdom of heaven. 29:46.660 --> 29:51.840 There she conceived that she was not in the kingdom of heaven. 29:52.040 --> 29:53.360 Her hands were filthy. 29:53.900 --> 29:55.260 Her heart was filthy. 29:55.960 --> 29:58.460 The priest's heart and hands, they were all filthy. 29:59.220 --> 30:02.000 Who then could stand before the Lord? 30:02.380 --> 30:09.460 Who then, from all then, could enter the tabernacle, the kingdom of heaven? 30:09.460 --> 30:17.260 Now, as she was reminded by the Holy Spirit, she will be brought to the fact 30:17.260 --> 30:21.500 that she became, as they all were, idol worshippers. 30:22.000 --> 30:27.020 They have statues, they have images, and she was looking around that very 30:27.020 --> 30:32.820 moment that this message of Exodus 20 was brought to her mind under the Holy 30:32.820 --> 30:38.060 Spirit's conviction, that she could see that God was giving her, offering her, 30:38.360 --> 30:43.000 all these signs and evidence and proofs around her, that she was not where he 30:43.000 --> 30:44.440 would like her to be. 30:45.080 --> 30:48.820 It was at that moment that, for the first time, I prayed. 30:49.480 --> 30:52.400 Every twelve years as a nun, I had prayed. 30:53.140 --> 30:55.060 It is not the same to pray than to pray. 30:55.700 --> 30:59.040 To pray is to repeat, to pray is to speak with God. 30:59.440 --> 31:03.520 And I prayed for the first time to a God that I did not know. 31:03.520 --> 31:09.680 But I prayed with a humble heart, and he heard me, he answered me. 31:10.040 --> 31:16.460 I asked God, and I said, Jesus of Nazareth, I do not know you, but I want to 31:16.460 --> 31:17.160 know you. 31:17.480 --> 31:19.520 I want you to rebel today in my life. 31:19.960 --> 31:25.560 I have received crutches as a nun, but I need life, and life in abundance. 31:25.560 --> 31:31.020 And I was able to experience on that day that Jesus Christ is real, and that he 31:31.020 --> 31:34.920 gives life in abundance to those who call on him. 31:55.560 --> 32:02.980 It was a rosary, not a reading prayer, but now from my heart I want to speak to 32:02.980 --> 32:04.740 God, and God alone. 32:05.220 --> 32:13.520 Then she called upon the name of the Lord, and she knew that anyone that calls upon 32:13.520 --> 32:15.480 his name can be saved. 32:16.080 --> 32:19.840 That is where the blessings start pouring out from heaven. 32:25.560 --> 32:31.340 We were trying to help many people, and we had a center for young people 32:31.340 --> 32:34.040 addicted to drugs and alcoholics. 32:34.140 --> 32:39.620 And we also worked with prostitutes, trying to help them, and trying to remove 32:39.620 --> 32:45.820 the root of bitterness, or the problem that had led them to this vice. 32:46.300 --> 32:51.400 We tried to do it, but now in that mass I remembered that I had not succeeded, 32:51.400 --> 32:57.900 and that just as I did not succeed, I needed a supreme being to do it with 32:57.900 --> 33:04.280 them, and to do it with me, so that I could be sure to recommend a living 33:04.280 --> 33:04.280 Christ. 33:04.900 --> 33:10.460 Certainly that this is a paradox, what you are going to hear, and what most 33:10.460 --> 33:17.160 of you perhaps already know, that the clergy live this daily, and Roman Catholic 33:17.160 --> 33:25.160 people are witness, and actually everybody witness, the fact that they were so 33:25.160 --> 33:33.680 dedicated, and she went into, during these days of struggle, she went to other areas 33:33.680 --> 33:39.020 of work, where she was helping the rehabilitation of drug addicts, 33:39.180 --> 33:43.700 alcoholics, prostitutes, and runaway kids, and so on. 33:43.700 --> 33:49.580 And there she was in the midst of all these problems, of all these horrifying 33:49.580 --> 33:56.180 experiences in the life of men and women as well, and there she was with nothing to 33:56.180 --> 34:02.140 give, and nothing able to do in favor of these very needed people. 34:02.580 --> 34:08.240 All what brought upon her was more difficult, more anxiety, when she was 34:08.240 --> 34:14.820 surrounded by all these other experiences, and trying to help people, without not 34:14.820 --> 34:18.760 only the knowledge, but the power of a living Christ. 34:19.540 --> 34:23.720 I asked myself with desperation, where is my God? 34:24.040 --> 34:25.740 Where is the God that I seek? 34:26.120 --> 34:28.340 Where is the God of the sacraments? 34:28.740 --> 34:30.540 Where is the God that I light candles for? 34:31.040 --> 34:33.400 But it seems that he did not answer me. 34:33.900 --> 34:37.740 But at that moment, I was crying out, there was uncertainty. 34:38.080 --> 34:42.360 I cried out to the God of the chapel, but I cried out to the God of heaven, 34:42.840 --> 34:46.080 and I was humiliated, and the God of heaven would answer me. 34:46.080 --> 34:55.440 This was the time that suddenly I became more aware of the need of more 34:55.440 --> 35:01.760 communication with the truly living God, while I was still calling upon the false 35:01.760 --> 35:02.300 God. 35:02.560 --> 35:05.100 I don't know what to do, or what to go. 35:05.200 --> 35:09.260 The confusion was already there, dealing with the matter of light and 35:09.260 --> 35:09.760 darkness. 35:09.760 --> 35:16.640 And she could see that she could not offer to nobody, to no one, not even herself, 35:17.060 --> 35:22.720 anything, because she was more persuaded than ever before, that every time that she 35:22.720 --> 35:29.360 did try to offer something or to help someone, she was unable, she was not 35:29.360 --> 35:35.140 really at peace about what she was giving or offering in order to help and serve. 35:36.040 --> 35:40.920 I said, Christ, I don't want any more deceptions, I don't want any more lies, 35:41.340 --> 35:43.760 I need you to reveal yourself today to my life. 35:44.480 --> 35:50.220 While the priest was lifting the host, he was cutting it in three pieces and 35:50.220 --> 35:55.340 saying, this is the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. 35:55.920 --> 36:01.820 But I wanted to know which of the two was the Lamb, which of the two was right, 36:01.820 --> 36:04.840 who would answer me in that moment. 36:04.980 --> 36:09.020 I cried again and again throughout the process of that Mass. 36:09.460 --> 36:15.800 And again I went back and I said again, Lord, Lord, help me to know what is going 36:15.800 --> 36:16.020 on. 36:16.260 --> 36:18.880 I need you, I need to know you. 36:19.440 --> 36:25.500 And there is, in that very moment that I cried again before the Lord from the deep 36:25.500 --> 36:30.220 of my heart, so needed, of peace and life. 36:30.220 --> 36:35.980 There the priest took the host in that moment, break it in three pieces as usual, 36:36.200 --> 36:41.320 that is the part of the liturgy, is broken in three pieces, the big host 36:41.320 --> 36:45.560 that you see all the time, is very symbolic, that act. 36:46.100 --> 36:53.740 Then at the time that he broke it, and he said, there is the Lamb of God that 36:53.740 --> 36:56.840 takes the sins of the world away. 36:57.680 --> 37:00.460 And she already questioned that. 37:00.760 --> 37:04.220 There was enough light already to question. 37:04.480 --> 37:09.020 Because her struggle, as you can see, was due to the fact that she could not 37:09.020 --> 37:15.580 trust in the Lord at the same time that she could not trust in what she had going 37:15.580 --> 37:17.820 through as a Roman Catholic nun. 37:17.820 --> 37:22.400 Now, that was another evidence that the Lord was given to her. 37:22.700 --> 37:29.220 By the time that that priest brought that idol, that sun god, before her eyes and 37:29.220 --> 37:34.440 mentioned that that host was the Lamb of God. 37:34.800 --> 37:41.700 He would not say, this is the symbol, he said, this is the Lamb of God that 37:41.700 --> 37:43.640 takes the sins away. 37:43.640 --> 37:50.400 Then she knew there was a time now for her to take a decision. 38:13.640 --> 38:21.300 When the priest moistened the host in wine and took it to my lips, it is as if a 38:21.300 --> 38:24.460 thunder was heard, it is as if the earth trembled. 38:25.280 --> 38:27.740 Everyone began to tremble in the place. 38:28.280 --> 38:33.080 When God speaks, the earth trembles, man trembles, and Satan runs. 38:33.820 --> 38:39.580 And at that moment, when the priest was going to take the host to my lips, 38:39.960 --> 38:41.760 that host did not reach my lips. 38:41.760 --> 38:47.980 She fell to the floor and broke into pieces, while one of the nuns was going to 38:47.980 --> 38:50.860 pick up the flour that was left of the host. 38:51.300 --> 38:58.420 Then the priest stops pouring the wine, with his tongue he picks up what for him 38:58.420 --> 38:59.940 is the blood of Christ. 39:00.500 --> 39:06.400 And I hear a voice that transgresses my life, the voice of God that tells me, 39:06.400 --> 39:13.620 Ilduara, that is not my blood, my blood was shed only once, escape for 39:13.620 --> 39:16.500 your life and run away from the convent. 39:16.740 --> 39:23.620 Then something happened, it happened so much that I myself unlearned her 39:23.620 --> 39:24.180 preaching. 39:25.380 --> 39:30.520 Now she has been blessed in remembering the very things that happened. 39:30.520 --> 39:38.560 By the time that priest finally took hold of the end of the ceremony and started 39:38.560 --> 39:41.900 giving the host, she approached the altar. 39:42.360 --> 39:49.460 And there was the tremendous manifestation of God in such a way that she could almost 39:49.460 --> 39:51.520 hear the voice of God. 39:51.620 --> 39:57.260 She could hear God speaking to her in a loud voice. 39:57.260 --> 40:04.560 By the time that she was there to receive the host and was ready to get the host in 40:04.560 --> 40:07.500 her mouth, suddenly something happened. 40:07.920 --> 40:15.820 That host fell to the floor and could not reach her lips, no, much less her tongue. 40:16.620 --> 40:22.600 The host fell, everybody looked, and a desperation came where all the nuns 40:22.600 --> 40:24.740 all around were there in the chapel. 40:24.740 --> 40:29.940 Immediately they went over, they rushed to the altar and every nun, every priest, 40:30.300 --> 40:36.300 kneeled down and started with their tongues cleaning the floor to get every 40:36.300 --> 40:37.660 piece of the host. 40:38.200 --> 40:43.920 They were desperate, they were like demons going over with their tongues over the 40:43.920 --> 40:44.300 floor. 40:45.400 --> 40:50.440 That is what is commanded by the consuls of the institution. 40:51.320 --> 40:58.600 That is how people become to believe that that is truly the body of Christ. 40:59.800 --> 41:05.900 Then she witnessed all, but she could not go down, something was restraining her. 41:06.640 --> 41:11.660 And there is no doubt that in His mercy and His love, God already was not only 41:11.660 --> 41:17.120 giving testimony to her of His love, but to all those who already were so blind 41:17.120 --> 41:20.000 and so drunk of what was taking place. 41:56.860 --> 42:03.600 Certainly, that in that very moment, I felt, not only I hear, but I felt that 42:03.600 --> 42:06.940 God's presence was helping me to quit. 42:06.940 --> 42:11.260 In that very moment, right there, in the midst of all these happenings, 42:11.520 --> 42:15.980 she felt taken and forced to walk and run, and she did. 42:16.040 --> 42:19.580 She ran out the convent and she escaped. 42:19.920 --> 42:27.880 She knew that God was giving command to go and to go out, to come out, right there, 42:28.020 --> 42:30.780 without any moment to wait for. 42:30.780 --> 42:31.940 And she left. 42:32.340 --> 42:33.460 Praise God. 42:34.060 --> 42:34.700 Hallelujah. 42:35.460 --> 42:37.880 Praise the Lord. 42:38.740 --> 42:46.100 The intention was to introduce her and to give you a very brief idea of what the 42:46.100 --> 42:47.680 Lord has done for her. 42:48.160 --> 42:55.920 And have her one entire evening here, perhaps Sunday, as we were not able to 42:55.920 --> 42:57.420 work out yet the program. 42:57.420 --> 43:03.600 I believe that in case there is no time to work out her return here Sunday, 43:03.860 --> 43:10.940 I feel and I know that the Lord will be pleased if I postpone for tomorrow the 43:10.940 --> 43:16.040 third part of our prophetical seminar until tomorrow. 43:16.220 --> 43:18.740 And we go on with her testimony. 43:19.960 --> 43:24.160 They had always told me that with Rome there was no fighting. 43:25.220 --> 43:29.000 And when I left the convent, I tried to look for my parents. 43:29.500 --> 43:35.420 I was very young and I looked for my parents, but my parents did not receive me 43:35.420 --> 43:38.300 because it was the betrayal of the home. 43:38.840 --> 43:44.380 I also had to leave my home and I looked for a job, but I did not have the 43:44.380 --> 43:51.000 diplomas, the certificates that I had studied, and they were only in the 43:51.000 --> 43:51.360 convent. 43:51.600 --> 43:56.020 But they would not give them to me so that I would not get a job, so that I would 43:56.020 --> 44:00.540 have to return to the convent, suffering, humiliated, and know what 44:00.540 --> 44:07.540 happens to a heretic when he tries to fight or tries to betray Rome. 44:15.140 --> 44:18.260 I think that they are pleased, especially today, with all the goodwill 44:18.260 --> 44:21.440 that the Vatican is trying to show even to the very Christians. 44:21.800 --> 44:24.360 Then it used to be different years ago. 44:24.660 --> 44:27.380 Before they left, they could get killed. 44:28.240 --> 44:33.760 Now, today they can leave as they wish, but under what they call dispensation. 44:34.340 --> 44:40.560 And even so, when dispensation is given, all diplomas and doctorates and master's 44:40.560 --> 44:46.780 degrees, all what you have earned through all these years is retained by the 44:46.780 --> 44:49.720 institution and is not given to you. 44:50.060 --> 44:55.540 What that means is that you go out, that convent, that monastery, that parish, 44:55.920 --> 45:01.680 looking for a job, and you have nothing to show that you know what you are saying 45:01.680 --> 45:03.660 that you know because you have nothing to show. 45:03.660 --> 45:06.020 You have no diplomas, no certificates, nothing. 45:06.740 --> 45:14.300 They retain every single document until they know how you behave outside. 45:15.440 --> 45:19.780 If they know that you behave well with the institution, they will give it. 45:19.900 --> 45:22.280 Through a lot of negotiations, they will give it. 45:22.780 --> 45:25.400 But in her case, they already knew. 45:25.940 --> 45:31.700 She could not have her documents and she could not go back for fear that they would 45:31.700 --> 45:32.380 retain her. 45:32.380 --> 45:35.280 Not only retain the document, retain the person. 45:35.520 --> 45:39.420 It happened with Sister Charlotte and other nuns and priests in the past. 45:39.700 --> 45:40.700 It happened with me too. 45:41.180 --> 45:47.620 Now, then she could not get all the documents that was needed and there she 45:47.620 --> 45:53.420 was in society, not knowing what to do, not even knowing how to work. 45:54.420 --> 46:02.600 The first thing they say when a nun leaves a convent or when she makes the decision 46:02.600 --> 46:06.660 to escape is that she is crazy or she is mentally ill. 46:07.960 --> 46:13.480 And this was the first thing that was said to my colleagues, what was said in the 46:13.480 --> 46:13.900 whole town. 46:14.440 --> 46:20.680 Later, there was a detective from the F2 of the police in Colombia and the Superior 46:20.680 --> 46:21.180 General. 46:21.180 --> 46:24.020 They were the two to the place where I worked. 46:24.800 --> 46:32.320 And with a letter certified from a rest home, they took me to that rest home 46:32.320 --> 46:35.160 because I was mentally disturbed. 46:35.900 --> 46:44.080 And I was there for a month until I found a Christian psychologist who cried out to 46:44.080 --> 46:48.600 God to rescue me and get me out of this place. 46:48.600 --> 46:55.420 And they asked for a diagnosis from another doctor on the street who was not a 46:55.420 --> 46:56.040 Jesuit. 46:56.580 --> 47:01.980 When they gave the diagnosis, they found that I was not mentally ill, that I had 47:01.980 --> 47:08.280 been taken to this place to prove that I was crazy or mentally ill. 47:18.600 --> 47:23.240 They were able to bring her back, but that was still a little bit too late 47:23.240 --> 47:24.840 to take her life. 47:25.280 --> 47:26.780 What they did was different. 47:27.300 --> 47:28.860 What they did happened too. 47:29.080 --> 47:31.440 It happened to be with my own experience. 47:31.980 --> 47:37.300 It was too late because already some of the things were being known, even to the 47:37.300 --> 47:39.520 authorities, how she escaped. 47:40.270 --> 47:47.720 Then she was taken with the help of the local authority to a psychiatric clinic 47:48.520 --> 47:54.500 because the Mother Superior had stated that the reason why what happened to her 47:54.500 --> 47:57.920 was because she was mentally disturbed. 47:58.620 --> 48:00.780 There was no problem in the company with her. 48:01.140 --> 48:02.100 There was no torture. 48:02.220 --> 48:03.100 There was no punishment. 48:03.100 --> 48:08.940 Because that already she was confessing and telling and showing all the signs and 48:08.940 --> 48:10.540 marks that she had in her body. 48:10.860 --> 48:11.800 She said, no, no, no, no. 48:12.200 --> 48:16.620 She is mentally disturbed and this is what has happened. 48:17.040 --> 48:21.100 Then they considered this and they put their own psychiatrists. 48:22.160 --> 48:24.880 And of course, these psychiatrists, they all were Catholics. 48:25.460 --> 48:27.580 And they said, yes, she is very bad. 48:27.920 --> 48:29.860 She must be retained. 48:30.340 --> 48:31.400 She cannot go out. 48:31.400 --> 48:40.100 Then, suddenly, by the providence of the Lord, she was given the opportunity to be 48:40.100 --> 48:45.300 treated upon request of some of the local authority with others. 48:45.880 --> 48:48.680 They just happened to ask for that. 48:48.940 --> 48:54.180 They said, well, let's get the test under some other psychologist. 48:55.080 --> 49:01.060 And let's get some other psychologist to see her before we decide the final action. 49:01.060 --> 49:06.420 And it happened to be that that man, that was a psychologist, he was a 49:06.420 --> 49:06.740 Christian. 49:07.380 --> 49:13.020 And when he knew what has happened, and I'm glad to hear that he himself was 49:13.020 --> 49:14.760 not dependent even in psychology. 49:15.540 --> 49:16.740 That is great. 49:17.720 --> 49:21.140 A Christian psychologist should never depend in psychology. 49:21.980 --> 49:23.760 Yes, you better believe this. 49:25.800 --> 49:30.160 And if he is a psychiatrist, he better get healed. 49:32.500 --> 49:36.540 Yes, you are going to find a lot of surprises these days with Christian 49:36.540 --> 49:38.880 psychiatrists and psychologists. 49:39.460 --> 49:42.260 Then it happened that that was one of these men. 49:42.860 --> 49:49.100 And it happened that God showed that great mercy that He always is ready to show. 49:49.100 --> 49:55.380 Then she was taken to that man, and that man certified that their others, 49:55.540 --> 49:58.440 the psychiatrists and the others that treat her, they were wrong. 49:58.820 --> 50:00.640 And he proved it before a court. 50:01.160 --> 50:02.520 Yes, praise the Lord. 50:02.900 --> 50:10.860 There is a disadvantage in my country, in Colombia, and it is that the concordat 50:10.860 --> 50:15.080 still sustains a peace pact between the Catholic Church and the state. 50:15.080 --> 50:23.120 And after I got out of the rehabilitation clinic, I had to go back to the convent 50:23.120 --> 50:24.020 for a trial. 50:24.620 --> 50:28.340 But I refused to do it, and they filed a lawsuit. 50:29.080 --> 50:32.540 This lawsuit had been filed for fraud. 50:33.020 --> 50:36.520 They said that I had studied in the Convent of the Service of the Mother of 50:36.520 --> 50:39.820 God, and I had not worked for that convent. 50:40.060 --> 50:43.660 I had left before finishing the work that I had to do. 50:43.660 --> 50:50.520 And for that reason, they sued me for 80,000 Colombian pesos, or I would return 50:50.520 --> 50:53.060 to the convent, or I would go to jail. 50:54.280 --> 51:01.500 They failed in that attempt, but they work out another, and they keep on working all 51:01.500 --> 51:02.060 the time. 51:02.060 --> 51:10.520 Then, when they failed this, then the hierarchy of the Catholic institution plot 51:10.520 --> 51:19.980 another play, accusing her of owning the convent over 80,000 Colombian pesos. 51:20.300 --> 51:23.040 I don't know how many dollars will be, but quite a few thousand. 51:23.660 --> 51:25.920 And then the authorities said, why? 51:26.280 --> 51:27.100 What she did? 51:27.200 --> 51:28.300 Why did she take the money? 51:28.300 --> 51:31.560 They said she broke her contract. 51:31.940 --> 51:37.760 She was here in the convent to fulfill this contract for so many years in this 51:37.760 --> 51:39.500 particular job in education. 51:40.080 --> 51:46.160 And she had broken and owned us that much money because that work was not performed. 51:46.900 --> 51:52.260 Of course, you have to understand that this, before a court in the United States 51:52.260 --> 51:58.060 today, it will have no validity, but it will in the future, after a 51:58.060 --> 52:01.000 concordat is being signed by President Reagan. 52:01.580 --> 52:09.000 Because this is some of the articles of a concordat between the Vatican and a 52:09.000 --> 52:16.700 government, where they could say, when we request your assistance, 52:16.960 --> 52:18.380 you have to give us. 52:18.380 --> 52:21.100 You cannot deny our petitions. 52:21.640 --> 52:26.340 On these agreements, they base, they have certain laws, certain articles, 52:26.520 --> 52:32.080 certain rules, that the government must respect in cases of confrontations with 52:32.080 --> 52:34.100 their clergy and their people. 52:34.700 --> 52:37.520 And that was the case when she was brought to court. 52:37.900 --> 52:41.960 The concordat between Colombia, the government of Colombia, and the 52:41.960 --> 52:48.020 Vatican, he showed up in favor of the Vatican, accusing her of a crime that she 52:48.020 --> 52:49.020 never committed. 53:26.220 --> 53:28.960 They gave her three alternatives. 53:29.600 --> 53:34.260 As she stood before the court, the three alternatives were, one, 53:35.320 --> 53:37.860 jail, to be incarcerated. 53:38.800 --> 53:46.040 Second, if she does not want to be incarcerated, she must pay these $80,000 53:46.040 --> 53:49.180 that the government was claiming from her. 53:50.460 --> 53:53.460 Even, she could have another alternative. 53:54.380 --> 54:00.400 No jail, no payment, but the final alternative was what they were expecting 54:00.400 --> 54:01.300 and hoping for. 54:01.300 --> 54:05.980 To have her back in the convent to finish the job, they said. 54:06.180 --> 54:09.540 Actually, they were the ones that would finish the job. 54:31.300 --> 54:35.900 But when I told him that I was not willing, he told me, you have seven years 54:35.900 --> 54:41.840 in jail, there is a claim for fraud, we cannot prove otherwise, and you are 54:41.840 --> 54:42.160 lost. 54:42.840 --> 54:49.640 At that moment, it was as if someone had enlightened my mind, but I told him, 54:49.920 --> 54:50.860 I am not lost. 54:51.100 --> 54:52.940 The one who is lost is you. 54:53.300 --> 54:55.860 You are violating the law of my country. 54:55.860 --> 55:00.840 You are mixing civil laws with ecclesial laws. 55:01.200 --> 55:07.640 Because if the concordat says that civil laws cannot be mixed with ecclesial laws, 55:07.780 --> 55:14.460 I do not understand why you, as a civil law, are judging me as belonging to the 55:14.460 --> 55:15.540 ecclesial law. 55:25.860 --> 55:30.480 Jesus, when he said the kingdom of heaven, what is that expression in English? 55:31.260 --> 55:39.580 The kingdom of heaven becomes strong and you must fight and you must be brave and 55:39.580 --> 55:42.380 you must obtain it that way. 55:42.540 --> 55:48.520 You cannot just watch it like a spectator and see what a beautiful kingdom it is. 55:49.160 --> 55:53.180 In order to really know the kingdom of heaven, you must enter and you must 55:53.180 --> 55:54.820 struggle to enter. 55:54.820 --> 55:56.900 Then you must be brave. 55:57.440 --> 56:05.160 Then she was comforted by this word of the Lord and she said, I prefer to go to jail. 56:05.700 --> 56:11.600 Because in jail I will be able to witness the very things that I don't know yet. 56:12.420 --> 56:19.700 And she was not yet ashamed when she had been encouraged to take that decision and 56:19.700 --> 56:20.540 that step. 56:20.540 --> 56:26.160 The Lord was training and preparing her on the tremendous trial. 56:26.700 --> 56:32.420 Then suddenly they said, well, we want to take you to jail right now. 56:32.500 --> 56:38.600 They took her and they have 72 hours for a person to be in that particular place. 56:38.760 --> 56:42.980 And then as a woman, they will be translating her from the general jail that 56:42.980 --> 56:45.400 is called to the prison, the woman prisons. 56:45.400 --> 56:53.640 And during these two 72 hours transition, a captain from the police came to see her. 56:54.460 --> 57:01.180 And of course, I'm sure that he was sent by the ecclesiastical authorities and 57:01.180 --> 57:06.600 telling her, before you are transferred, I want to give you an opportunity. 57:07.260 --> 57:10.100 I'll take you back to the convent right from here. 57:10.420 --> 57:11.860 Nobody will know nothing. 57:12.040 --> 57:13.160 Nobody will say nothing. 57:13.400 --> 57:15.380 I'll take you with me back to the convent. 57:15.380 --> 57:16.740 And everything is over. 57:17.380 --> 57:20.820 And then she said, no, I think I'm going to stay here. 57:21.220 --> 57:27.920 Then he went and quote and said, don't you see that you are committing a 57:27.920 --> 57:32.720 serious crime, not only against the civil laws, but against your church. 57:32.820 --> 57:37.460 And he started dealing as an official with religious matters. 57:37.480 --> 57:40.240 And he was getting very involved, deeply involved. 57:40.460 --> 57:45.040 You can see how much of a commission he has to carry on as a good Catholic. 57:45.040 --> 57:52.360 Suddenly, he caught him in that dilemma and told her, do you know that you seem to 57:52.360 --> 57:58.000 be performing a better job for the institution, for the clergy, for the 57:58.000 --> 57:59.840 government, and for the civil laws? 58:00.340 --> 58:05.200 You see, you are placing the ecclesiastical laws above the civil law. 58:05.820 --> 58:08.840 He was very upset when she mentioned this. 58:09.620 --> 58:12.320 They decided to hand me over to the clergy. 58:12.800 --> 58:15.180 And they took me to a remote city. 58:15.960 --> 58:18.820 There was the Superior General of the convent. 58:18.980 --> 58:20.060 There was the Cardinal. 58:20.320 --> 58:21.160 There was the Bishop. 58:21.720 --> 58:25.180 Several nuns and priests from all the dioceses. 58:25.500 --> 58:27.640 A trial would be held first between them. 58:28.280 --> 58:30.180 And they started with questions. 58:30.620 --> 58:35.580 The Superior General asks me, why have you become one of those? 58:36.320 --> 58:42.320 But I told him, I have not become one of those, but I have become Jesus. 58:43.800 --> 58:48.120 It is not the same to become one of the Evangelicals than to become Christ. 59:06.390 --> 59:10.280 She is trying to jump as much as she can. 59:10.720 --> 59:12.360 There are many details here. 59:12.800 --> 59:16.340 But during this period, they tried another thing. 59:16.900 --> 59:23.820 She was not yet in full time in the federal prison when already another news 59:23.820 --> 59:24.500 arrived. 59:24.980 --> 59:27.920 And the news was that she was being released. 59:27.920 --> 59:34.580 That shows you the degree of confusion and fear that the entire institution goes from 59:34.580 --> 59:35.800 time to time. 59:36.880 --> 59:39.680 God placed her under judgment. 59:40.180 --> 59:44.080 One single individual can cause her tremendous nightmare. 59:44.640 --> 59:45.780 Tremendous nightmare. 59:46.540 --> 59:49.240 Some people say, this is why I am doing so much trouble. 59:49.540 --> 59:50.620 Causing a lot of trouble. 59:51.040 --> 59:55.500 Now, she already was in that position and they knew there was trouble coming. 59:55.500 --> 01:00:01.960 Then, before she got in touch even with people in jail, in the prisons, 01:00:02.260 --> 01:00:03.340 they even feared that. 01:00:04.060 --> 01:00:10.780 Then they released her to bring her before an ecclesiastical tribunal. 01:00:11.580 --> 01:00:13.580 And of course, that is your inquisition. 01:00:13.920 --> 01:00:17.640 That you believe that she already disappeared, but still at work. 01:00:17.940 --> 01:00:21.040 24 hours around the clock. 01:00:21.900 --> 01:00:26.960 Now, when she appeared before the tribunal, it was made up, as all 01:00:26.960 --> 01:00:30.380 inquisition tribunals, made up of the clergy. 01:00:30.760 --> 01:00:32.560 There is no civil person there. 01:00:32.660 --> 01:00:40.700 It is only clergymen that occupy as judges and what you call the jury as well. 01:00:40.700 --> 01:00:47.200 Then, there she was and there were bishops and nuns and priests according to their 01:00:47.200 --> 01:00:48.040 different office. 01:00:48.620 --> 01:00:50.600 And she was before that trial now. 01:01:10.700 --> 01:01:13.200 You say that Mary is not a mediator. 01:01:13.820 --> 01:01:17.900 But I replied, it is not me, the scripture says. 01:01:18.640 --> 01:01:24.100 The Bible says that there is only one God and only one mediator between God and men. 01:01:24.540 --> 01:01:25.580 Jesus Christ man. 01:01:41.580 --> 01:01:45.320 Then she said, no, I was not converted to them. 01:01:45.940 --> 01:01:48.000 I was converted to Christ. 01:01:48.760 --> 01:01:53.900 And they said, well, if that is the case, then let me ask you this. 01:01:53.900 --> 01:01:59.320 And they went to the traditions because the way that they can finally judge her, 01:01:59.480 --> 01:02:06.540 not only but condemn her, will be by finding her guilty of breaking the canon 01:02:06.540 --> 01:02:10.840 laws that support and protect the tradition of the Roman Catholic 01:02:10.840 --> 01:02:11.500 institution. 01:02:12.140 --> 01:02:18.300 This way, still under a concordat between government and the Vatican, they can still 01:02:18.300 --> 01:02:22.020 charge her with all kind of felonies, you name it. 01:02:22.020 --> 01:02:24.700 They can build up and fabricate hundreds of them. 01:02:25.080 --> 01:02:30.060 This was the purpose of that trial, to a tremendous interrogatory on the 01:02:30.060 --> 01:02:36.540 tradition, to see whether she will quote this scripture against the tradition and 01:02:36.540 --> 01:02:37.020 so forth. 01:02:38.020 --> 01:02:42.940 Continuing the questions, such as, why do you deny the deity of Mary? 01:02:43.580 --> 01:02:47.040 Why do you say that it was not Peter the first Pope? 01:02:47.500 --> 01:02:51.120 And questions that had to be answered through Scripture. 01:02:51.640 --> 01:02:56.760 The question always ended by saying, it is Christ Jesus. 01:02:57.100 --> 01:02:59.600 There is no other alternative for man. 01:02:59.600 --> 01:03:07.260 The Superior General then decided to take a chair and tie me to that chair and 01:03:07.260 --> 01:03:12.300 blindfold me to see if I was as brave as I pretended to be. 01:03:12.520 --> 01:03:18.020 The second question that came after, among others questions that will arrive 01:03:18.020 --> 01:03:21.940 about Peter, about saints, about confession, everything. 01:03:21.940 --> 01:03:28.980 The second question that made them very upset was when they said, do you deny that 01:03:28.980 --> 01:03:30.900 Mary is a meditator? 01:03:31.380 --> 01:03:37.760 Then she said, yes, I do deny that she is a meditator, because the Bible teaches me 01:03:37.760 --> 01:03:40.240 now that there is only one meditator. 01:03:40.360 --> 01:03:41.460 It doesn't say two. 01:03:41.920 --> 01:03:46.680 It doesn't say only one meditator between God and man. 01:03:47.160 --> 01:03:49.940 And this is Jesus Christ, the man. 01:03:49.940 --> 01:03:51.620 Praise his name. 01:03:51.880 --> 01:03:52.140 Yes. 01:03:53.280 --> 01:03:59.680 After they tied me to the chair and blindfolded me, the Superior General gave 01:03:59.680 --> 01:04:04.140 one of the nuns some tweezers, like pliers. 01:04:05.000 --> 01:04:08.220 And they said to me, let's do this. 01:04:08.800 --> 01:04:11.160 This was done in the Holy Inquisition. 01:04:11.840 --> 01:04:14.540 You have rebelled against Romanism. 01:04:15.040 --> 01:04:17.680 You have betrayed the servants of the Mother of God. 01:04:17.680 --> 01:04:24.060 And we have gathered all the priests and nuns of the diocese. 01:04:24.260 --> 01:04:31.540 We need you to renege before them and say that they have convinced you, some 01:04:31.540 --> 01:04:35.360 evangelicals, for you to become an evangelical. 01:04:36.000 --> 01:04:41.560 We need you to say that the Christ that they profess is not real. 01:04:42.080 --> 01:04:46.320 We need you to say that you are not a Christian. 01:04:46.320 --> 01:04:48.760 That you have not become an evangelical. 01:04:49.260 --> 01:04:51.900 That they simply tried to buy you. 01:04:52.200 --> 01:04:57.920 But when the Superior General came and said to me, deny what you have become. 01:04:58.420 --> 01:05:03.180 I said, I cannot deny because I have not become anything. 01:05:03.960 --> 01:05:10.640 But I have become the living Christ who gave his life in rescue of mine. 01:05:11.460 --> 01:05:16.540 As you can see, during this trial they brought a lot of priests and nuns that 01:05:16.540 --> 01:05:22.580 they could witness precisely as a matter of sample in her life what was about to 01:05:22.580 --> 01:05:22.940 happen. 01:05:23.740 --> 01:05:29.160 And to show you the dimensions of realities about Inquisition, this is one 01:05:29.160 --> 01:05:33.260 of the many samples that I will be able to show you some other times. 01:05:33.260 --> 01:05:42.740 Is today, in modern day, the trial already went on and on and finally went over and 01:05:42.740 --> 01:05:44.280 they sentenced her. 01:05:44.680 --> 01:05:50.160 After the sentence already, the punishment was to be applied right there. 01:05:50.320 --> 01:05:52.380 That is the procedure of Inquisition. 01:05:52.800 --> 01:05:56.040 They do not say, we are going to punish you later, we are going to send you back. 01:05:56.040 --> 01:06:02.960 Right there, after a person is made guilty, the sentence starts right there 01:06:02.960 --> 01:06:04.300 before the tribunal. 01:06:05.020 --> 01:06:09.580 And that means part of the torches they use start right there. 01:06:09.900 --> 01:06:14.680 And they use certain instruments to start the punishment. 01:06:14.680 --> 01:06:24.260 One of them is like a pin, some kind of instrument that will be used to start 01:06:24.260 --> 01:06:27.680 taking hair one by one. 01:06:28.220 --> 01:06:33.540 That is part of the punishment among others that will be listed and she won't 01:06:33.540 --> 01:06:35.080 have time to even list them all. 01:06:44.680 --> 01:06:45.980 Now you are on time. 01:06:46.720 --> 01:06:50.240 I was still taking my hair off and you have five minutes. 01:06:50.720 --> 01:06:52.280 Give up what you have become. 01:06:53.120 --> 01:06:53.980 And it went on. 01:06:54.640 --> 01:06:57.240 Finally, I fainted because of the pain. 01:06:57.880 --> 01:06:59.500 And my head was alive. 01:06:59.680 --> 01:07:02.640 All the hair had been taken off. 01:07:03.280 --> 01:07:08.780 But when I woke up, after being locked up in the courtroom of the accused, 01:07:08.960 --> 01:07:15.860 I discovered and I was full of joy because they took my hair off, but I didn't deny 01:07:15.860 --> 01:07:16.480 Jesus. 01:07:17.460 --> 01:07:23.640 Yes, as the punishment starts, as I go and she goes, I myself cannot 01:07:23.640 --> 01:07:30.020 resist the emotion to know that I witnessed many of these things, 01:07:30.260 --> 01:07:32.480 and many other horrifying things. 01:07:33.640 --> 01:07:43.060 And in many of these acts that I brought myself, being a Jesuit priest, 01:07:43.060 --> 01:07:45.460 I was the accuser. 01:07:46.680 --> 01:07:53.160 She was brought, kneeled under the tribunal, and they start punishing her. 01:07:54.220 --> 01:08:01.800 And believe it or not, the entire hair of her head was taken out of her scalp. 01:08:02.580 --> 01:08:04.860 And she was bleeding all over. 01:08:05.600 --> 01:08:08.880 The process continued for hours and hours. 01:08:09.320 --> 01:08:14.660 And she was bleeding to the point that she could not resist to see the blood coming 01:08:14.660 --> 01:08:15.360 over. 01:08:15.760 --> 01:08:18.520 They would not allow her to clean her face or anything. 01:08:19.180 --> 01:08:20.860 And then she fainted. 01:08:21.560 --> 01:08:23.840 And she was taken finally. 01:08:24.660 --> 01:08:31.720 After she was awake, all bleeding, all the blood dripping and drying in her 01:08:31.720 --> 01:08:32.180 clothes. 01:08:33.180 --> 01:08:42.280 Then she was there by herself in a special room they call for the punished clergy. 01:08:43.280 --> 01:08:48.480 And there she was by herself there to reflect as they expect that they will 01:08:48.480 --> 01:08:51.080 reflect and they will recant. 01:08:51.880 --> 01:08:56.880 Before they take them or take her to another step of punishment. 01:08:56.880 --> 01:09:02.260 It's just that transition time, waiting and expecting that that will be 01:09:02.260 --> 01:09:05.040 enough for her then to recant and reject. 01:09:05.480 --> 01:09:11.100 But she said that right there, the greatest joy of her life came to be 01:09:11.100 --> 01:09:17.520 known to her when she knew that she now had the strength and the love. 01:09:17.560 --> 01:09:24.600 Because she said she would not experience hate, but the love and the peace of 01:09:24.600 --> 01:09:25.080 Christ. 01:09:25.740 --> 01:09:27.320 Yes, praise the Lord. 01:10:21.320 --> 01:10:22.720 Amen. 01:10:23.620 --> 01:10:30.140 Yes, as she realized there in that very moment, in that very time, in that very 01:10:30.140 --> 01:10:30.660 place. 01:10:31.160 --> 01:10:36.620 Is when she realized the greatest manifestation are her salvation in Jesus 01:10:36.620 --> 01:10:42.360 Christ as she trusts Him and she waits upon Him and she embraces Him. 01:10:42.880 --> 01:10:50.320 Actually, if you are here this evening, she said, is my invitation to you that you 01:10:50.320 --> 01:10:52.180 come quickly to Him. 01:10:52.180 --> 01:10:55.200 There is no waiting period. 01:10:55.720 --> 01:11:00.660 When you know that you need Him, then all what you have to do is just 01:11:00.660 --> 01:11:02.360 realize that you need Him. 01:11:02.940 --> 01:11:03.720 And have Him. 01:11:04.000 --> 01:11:05.280 Have Him now. 01:11:06.120 --> 01:11:09.880 Then as we stand up, that is your invitation. 01:11:10.280 --> 01:11:15.760 And it's up to you to decide this evening whether you will give to your life to 01:11:15.760 --> 01:11:17.480 Christ your Savior and Redeemer. 01:11:18.140 --> 01:11:23.500 And whether you will realize that all the sufferings on earth could never be 01:11:23.500 --> 01:11:29.880 compared with how much He suffered for you when He took your place. 01:11:30.440 --> 01:11:32.620 Not His place, your place. 01:11:33.260 --> 01:11:37.200 When He suffered in your place for you. 01:11:37.900 --> 01:11:39.540 Now, remember this. 01:11:40.180 --> 01:11:42.360 There is no time to waste. 01:11:43.260 --> 01:11:44.440 You should do it quickly. 01:11:44.440 --> 01:11:45.600 As you are. 01:11:46.600 --> 01:11:47.440 As you feel. 01:11:48.400 --> 01:11:49.040 Come now. 01:11:49.480 --> 01:11:50.100 Come forward. 01:11:50.300 --> 01:11:51.140 Right now. 01:11:51.540 --> 01:11:52.080 Come forward. 01:11:52.180 --> 01:11:52.720 Walk out. 01:11:53.100 --> 01:11:53.560 Come out. 01:11:54.100 --> 01:12:00.140 And say, Lord and Master, I receive Thee as my Lord and Savior. 01:12:00.960 --> 01:12:01.480 Come now. 01:12:01.820 --> 01:12:02.500 You need Him. 01:12:03.140 --> 01:12:04.140 Now is the time. 01:12:04.620 --> 01:12:05.360 Supply the need. 01:12:05.460 --> 01:12:06.180 He can do it. 01:12:06.620 --> 01:12:07.160 Come out. 01:12:07.580 --> 01:12:08.240 Come forward. 01:12:08.580 --> 01:12:12.920 And we will be here with you as He will come to you. 01:12:12.920 --> 01:12:18.060 In an act of faith, you can receive Him as your Lord and Savior. 01:12:18.880 --> 01:12:19.920 This is the opportunity. 01:12:20.420 --> 01:12:23.900 The Word of God said, Come out of her my people. 01:12:24.380 --> 01:12:30.200 If you want to give evidence and prove that you are a child of God, then show it. 01:12:30.720 --> 01:12:31.260 Show it. 01:12:31.660 --> 01:12:32.060 Give it. 01:12:32.800 --> 01:12:35.000 You cannot do it by tradition. 01:12:35.460 --> 01:12:38.460 You must do it by faith and faith alone. 01:12:39.500 --> 01:12:40.260 See? 01:12:40.920 --> 01:12:42.820 Now you must be reminded again. 01:12:43.040 --> 01:12:45.060 Justify by faith. 01:12:45.960 --> 01:12:47.960 Justify by faith. 01:12:48.720 --> 01:12:56.120 And faith alone will bring you in peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. 01:12:56.500 --> 01:12:57.180 Come forward. 01:12:57.760 --> 01:12:58.400 Come out. 01:12:58.720 --> 01:12:59.600 Come out of her. 01:13:00.160 --> 01:13:01.700 You must come out. 01:13:02.300 --> 01:13:06.060 If you are not in Jesus Christ, if you are not a born again person, 01:13:06.060 --> 01:13:10.580 if you are not a child of God, you are a child of the devil. 01:13:11.000 --> 01:13:11.800 There is no doubt. 01:13:12.200 --> 01:13:16.980 You must decide this evening what you want to be from now on. 01:13:17.580 --> 01:13:19.420 You have been given evidence. 01:13:19.680 --> 01:13:24.980 Not just the message, but you have been given evidence, signs of the message. 01:13:26.360 --> 01:13:28.880 That is good enough. 01:13:29.960 --> 01:13:31.340 The Lord is merciful. 01:13:32.100 --> 01:13:34.960 The Lord is compassionate. 01:13:34.960 --> 01:13:44.520 He shows His compassion and His love to show you and her life what He is able to 01:13:44.520 --> 01:13:45.800 do and perform. 01:13:46.140 --> 01:13:47.820 Come to Him now this evening. 01:13:48.200 --> 01:13:56.280 As we do pray, I ask you to pray and in a minute we will finalize this invitation. 01:13:56.760 --> 01:13:57.620 You come forward. 01:13:58.060 --> 01:14:00.960 If you are still insecure, go ahead. 01:14:01.300 --> 01:14:02.940 Call upon the name of the Lord. 01:14:02.940 --> 01:14:06.240 He will give you all the security you need now. 01:14:06.860 --> 01:14:08.140 Call upon His name. 01:14:08.620 --> 01:14:11.820 Anyone that calls upon His name shall be saved. 01:14:12.580 --> 01:14:19.040 Call upon His name now and give testimony, public testimony, that you have received 01:14:19.040 --> 01:14:22.060 Him and He has received you this evening. 01:14:30.610 --> 01:14:34.590 You who have come forward, say this prayer and say it unto the Lord. 01:14:35.230 --> 01:14:36.550 Say it with all your heart. 01:14:37.190 --> 01:14:38.090 Repeat it after me. 01:14:38.210 --> 01:14:41.310 Say it to the Lord Jesus Christ and mean it from the very depths of your heart. 01:14:41.870 --> 01:14:42.670 Repeat after me. 01:14:43.330 --> 01:14:48.430 My Lord and my God, have mercy on my soul, a sinner. 01:14:50.470 --> 01:14:56.030 I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of the living God. 01:14:57.370 --> 01:15:05.910 I believe that He died on the cross and shed His blood for the forgiveness of all 01:15:05.910 --> 01:15:06.650 my sins. 01:15:08.550 --> 01:15:15.430 I believe God raised Jesus from the dead by the power of the Holy Ghost. 01:15:16.770 --> 01:15:18.990 Come into my heart, Lord Jesus. 01:15:20.770 --> 01:15:26.970 Wash all my sins away in the precious blood You shed for me. 01:15:28.910 --> 01:15:31.130 You will not turn me away, Lord Jesus. 01:15:33.010 --> 01:15:34.710 You will save my soul. 01:15:36.510 --> 01:15:39.490 I know because Your word, the Bible, says so. 01:15:41.910 --> 01:15:43.610 Lord, I know that You have heard me. 01:15:45.090 --> 01:15:46.870 And I know that You have answered me. 01:15:48.450 --> 01:15:53.350 And according to Your own word, I know that I am saved. 01:15:54.630 --> 01:15:57.990 Thank You, Jesus, for saving my soul. 01:15:59.290 --> 01:16:01.190 And raise your hand and say, Thank You, Jesus. 01:16:01.990 --> 01:16:02.950 Praise the Lord. 01:16:03.090 --> 01:16:03.510 Hallelujah. 01:16:04.610 --> 01:16:05.890 Thank You, Jesus. 01:16:07.370 --> 01:16:08.490 Praise the Savior. 01:16:08.670 --> 01:16:09.130 Hallelujah. 01:16:10.590 --> 01:16:11.570 Praise the Savior. 01:16:11.690 --> 01:16:11.970 Thank 01:16:17.940 --> 01:16:20.340 You, Father God, for these souls, Lord and Master, that You have sent 01:16:20.340 --> 01:16:21.280 forward here tonight. 01:16:21.940 --> 01:16:23.720 Pour out Your strong Spirit upon them. 01:16:23.800 --> 01:16:28.020 Give them a sincere desire to pick up the cross and to follow after You. 01:16:28.480 --> 01:16:31.560 Lord, to accomplish something for God in these last hours of time. 01:16:31.720 --> 01:16:33.720 Pour out fear on their souls, Lord and God. 01:16:34.260 --> 01:16:37.600 Give them strong leading and guidance in the Holy Spirit, Lord and Master. 01:16:38.180 --> 01:16:40.080 We thank You for this service, Father God. 01:16:40.540 --> 01:16:43.600 We thank You for the testimony of Your service that You sent here, Lord and 01:16:43.600 --> 01:16:43.860 Master. 01:16:43.860 --> 01:16:48.160 Build a supernatural wall of fire around about the both of them, Father God. 01:16:48.440 --> 01:16:51.020 Protect them, lead them, and guide them, Lord and Master. 01:16:51.480 --> 01:16:54.680 Bring them back here safely tomorrow, Lord and God, to minister the Word, 01:16:54.880 --> 01:16:55.460 Lord and Master. 01:16:55.940 --> 01:16:59.560 We thank You tonight, Father God, for pouring out Your Spirit here. 01:16:59.960 --> 01:17:01.920 For convicting these souls, Lord and God. 01:17:02.260 --> 01:17:04.040 For saving these souls, Lord and Master. 01:17:04.140 --> 01:17:08.000 For touching each and every heart here, Lord and God, with this testimony, 01:17:08.300 --> 01:17:08.760 Lord and Master. 01:17:08.840 --> 01:17:09.560 We praise You. 01:17:09.940 --> 01:17:11.460 We thank You for it, Lord and God. 01:17:12.200 --> 01:17:13.840 Father, bless the food this evening. 01:17:14.680 --> 01:17:15.920 Bless the hands that prepared it. 01:17:16.340 --> 01:17:19.200 Bless each and every Christian in the world, Lord and God, that's doing a work 01:17:19.200 --> 01:17:20.800 for the Lord these last hours. 01:17:21.300 --> 01:17:25.460 Lord, pour out supernatural boldness on all Your servants throughout the world 01:17:25.460 --> 01:17:26.500 today, Lord and God. 01:17:27.180 --> 01:17:29.740 Supernatural walls of fire everywhere, Lord and God. 01:17:30.120 --> 01:17:34.800 We'll praise You for it, and we'll thank You for it, in the mighty name of Jesus. 01:17:35.760 --> 01:17:37.580 And everyone here says, Amen. 01:17:38.740 --> 01:17:39.180 Amen. 01:17:40.140 --> 01:17:40.940 Praise the Lord. 01:17:41.020 --> 01:17:41.380 You're dismissed.