I'm your host, Greg Szymanski, and we're here on GCN for two solid hours,
4 to 6 p.m.
Central.
And I'll tell you what, this show has been called the Alternative to the Alternative
Media, and that's because we get behind the scenes, and one of the reasons is we
try to really uncover who the real spiritual controllers of the New World
Order are.
And with that, what we do is we don't stop, and we go to, basically,
right to the cobblestones of Rome in the Vatican and explore that issue in depth.
I said the other day that if I spent every one of my shows for the next ten years
talking about this subject, it would not equal what really needs to be done to
expose the Vatican and what we're going to show today, the evil Jesuit order,
because for all the years and the time and the money they have spent to keep this
from the American people, right now we are in the crosshairs of a possible
destruction.
And let me just quote this.
This is from a book that Bill Hughes wrote, and he's been on my show,
and he said this in his book, The Secret Terrorists, The Jesuits have always hated
America and everything this country stands for, and they work tirelessly to destroy
this country.
Now, today my guest, and this is a show that I want you people to listen to for
two hours because it's vital, I have on with me, my special guest is Pastor Gerard
Bouffard, and he's a former Catholic priest, a former bishop of Guatemala,
and he's in Canada right now.
And he's going to talk about the truth about the Catholic Church, about the
Vatican, and also bring up, you've heard this name before if you've listened to my
show, and this is the late Father Alberto Rivera, a Jesuit priest who actually told
how the Jesuits operate, how they infiltrate other religions, and he was
also one of those people, and he began to out the Jesuits in the Vatican,
and for that, many people say he was killed.
Well, Pastor Bouffard was a friend of Alberto Rivera, and is here to talk about
him also, about his past, about the truthfulness he was trying to tell,
in light of many people who said that Alberto Rivera was not telling the truth,
and was under a campaign of discreditation by the Vatican.
Now, my second guest is Eric Phelps, and he's been on my show before,
because he's one of the premier researchers in this area, and he knows
Pastor Bouffard quite well, has interviewed him many times, and in fact,
he's going to act as the main interviewer in this, I'm going to be more of a
moderator, because I want you people to get the full truth.
And these two gentlemen together, I think, can shed some light on what we've
been trying to show, and that is that the Vatican is the key behind the whole New
World Order, and the destruction of this country, and they use the Jesuit order as
their henchman, so to speak.
And if you go to my website, by the way, today I have an article on there,
and I asked the question, was JFK's secret society speech one reason why the Vatican
orchestrated his murder?
Now, on September 12, 1960, President John F.
Kennedy spoke to the Greater Houston Ministerial Association, saying
emphatically that no religious leader, including the Pope, had the right to
control his actions and influence the foreign and domestic policies of this
country in any way, shape, or form.
For his strong words in his speech, denouncing secret societies and religious
infiltration, some researchers of the JFK assassination, including my guest Eric
Phelps today, claims this speech set him up for the murder by the Vatican New World
Order controllers through the Jesuit order.
Now, on my website, it gives a rundown of that speech, and then I list the actual
extreme oath, the fourth vow of the Jesuits, which was printed in 18... first
published in 1883.
And that's the unedited version, so go to that.
And you'll see exactly what these higher level Jesuits are now professing,
and when they take this fourth vow.
Eric knows about it, he's going to talk about it.
And with that, Pastor Gerard Buffard's on the line.
With that, let me introduce Eric Phelps.
Eric, how are you today?
Pleasure to be with you, Greg, and your listeners.
Well, today we're going to spend two hours, and we're going to spend two hours,
and I'm going to rely on your direction, your care, your...
I tell you what, you have been looking for the truth for so long, and I'm so glad you
brought on the pastor here to verify a number of things.
And I think what we should do is have you introduce him properly, because you know
him well, and enter into the first questions that you think are important.
And I'll be right by your side here throughout these two hours.
Go ahead.
Okay.
I'd like to introduce my friend and guest on your show today, Greg, Pastor Gerard
Buffard.
Welcome, Gerard.
Welcome.
Welcome you, Eric, and welcome everyone in here.
A pleasure to have you.
Pastor Buffard resides in Quebec, so his native language is French,
so he does have a broken accent.
Well, I can understand him pretty well, so don't worry about that, because I think
the message will come through loud and clear.
Eric, can you tell us a little bit about Pastor Buffard's background, and lead us
up to how you met him?
Okay.
When I was in a debate with a couple of gentlemen from England with regard to
Alberto Rivera being legitimate or not, I was told of Pastor Buffard by an
additional email person.
So I contacted him, and I asked if I could come to visit him.
So I went to visit him a couple of years ago, and spent a few days with him.
He showed me his broken bishop's ring that he had when he was bishop of Guatemala,
and his sword from the Knights of Columbus that he had when he was a member of that.
So we traveled around, and he pretty much bore his soul to me.
So after two or three days of spending time with him, and his familiarity with
Alberto Rivera, I took that as a very important piece of evidence that Alberto
was indeed for real.
So Gerard has helped me very much in that area.
But more so than that, Gerard knows the Lord.
He's a born-again, Bible-believing Christian man.
He's a pastor.
He preaches the Word of God wherever he goes, and he also offers videos.
So he's quite at home in talking about the Lord, the Bible, and his pastor.
We've got two minutes before this first break.
I want to ask the pastor some questions about Alberto Rivera.
You can do that in the next break.
I don't think I want to get into it right now.
We only have two minutes.
But maybe you can give us a little background of how many years he was in the
Catholic Church, and also I believe he was bishop of Guatemala, correct?
Yes.
I'm not sure to answer that question.
Maybe, Gerard, maybe you'd like to start about your beginnings there as a priest?
Yes.
I was doing my study in Rome because I was an orphan boy in the Catholic Church in
Quebec.
When we are adopted people, you know, we are not allowed to become a priest.
But I had to go to Rome to do my study, and I was six years in Rome.
And to pay my study, I was working in the Vatican.
That's why I had that opportunity to work inside the Vatican.
And the office they named that, in this time, they had to name that the
Holy Office.
In 1983, they changed that for the Office of Protection of the Faith.
And I was there.
And after that, when the Pope came in, John Paul II, came in Mexico for the
conference of the bishop of Latin America, I was traveling with him.
And during this traveling, we had a discussion together.
And in his way back from Rome, we talked very hardly in the plane.
And when I reached Rome, I take the plane, and I'm coming back in Quebec.
And I get safe in Quebec.
And I leave the church in 1977.
And after that, I'm born again.
I'm born again, and now I'm serving the Lord in the gospel.
Well, listen, Pastor, I have to take a break right now.
And Eric, a four-minute break.
But I want to get back and find out what you learned about the Vatican,
why you left the church.
And also, all these things about Father Alberto Rivera.
We'll be back in four minutes on the Investigative Journal.
Okay, we're back for our first segment.
I should say, our last segment in the first half hour of the Investigative
Journal.
My two special guests are former pastor and Catholic priest, former Bishop Gerard
Buffard, who lives now in Canada.
And Eric Phelps, the author of Vatican Assassins.
And his third edition will be coming out shortly.
And it's something that you must get once it's out.
Because you know, something in our quest to get at who are the real spiritual
controllers of the New World Order.
Pastor Buffard is going to tell you some things, why he left the Catholic Church.
Also verifying, he was a good friend of Father Alberto Rivera.
Who, if you're not familiar with this former Jesuit priest, talks about how they
infiltrate other religions.
How the Jesuit order is more than just what they say, God-fearing men.
But actually, the henchmen behind the New World Order and bringing down the
destruction of this country.
With that, Pastor, we left off.
You've been working in Rome for six years.
Communicated and spoke with the Pope on numerous occasions.
And I want to get into why you then left the Church in the late 70s.
And how I'm going to do this...
Eric, you've talked to Pastor for a long time.
And I want you to go back and give our listeners an insight.
And ask the questions that you would have asked when you first met him about why he
left the Church.
And I think through you and him speaking, I think we'll learn a lot.
Go ahead.
Okay, I wanted to, first of all, be convinced that he was a former priest.
So, Gerard, would you tell us about what your bishop's ring looks like?
And when you cease to be a bishop of Guatemala, what do they do with the
bishop's ring?
Yes.
The bishop's ring is a symbol of the power of the bishop in his diocese.
You know, in the bishop's ring, just like at the Pope's ring, we have a
seal on that.
Our diocese seal.
And in the past, 50 years, 60 years ago, every letter was wrote and voiced by the
bishop to a priest or to someone in the diocese.
But officially, they're supposed to have the seal of the bishop in that.
And that ring had the seal of the bishop and the diocese to confirm and wrote
official letters and papers.
And that ring is coming from the tradition, you know, because the first
bishops and the first popes in the Catholic Church, they were princes or,
you know, they had honorific titles, you know.
The ring was a symbol of the power of the bishop.
And when the pope died, by example, they had to broke his ring to destroy the
seal, his official seal.
And the new pope had to have a new seal, a new symbol for his power.
And they put that in the ring.
And when I get out of the church, I had a different seal, different ring.
I had to broke the official one I had, but I conserved already my bishop's seal
because this is my...
it has a part of my family's arms in that seal, you know.
That's why I conserved the seal, because this is my property.
Nobody, nobody else can use it in my place because that's a personal seal.
Now, how long were you archbishop in Guatemala, or bishop of Guatemala,
pardon me?
I was 14 years priest.
And the three last years, I was a bishop of Esquipulas in Guatemala.
And I was vice president of the council of the bishop in Latin America.
That's why I had to go to Rome and travel with the pope in Mexico for the conference
with the bishop of Latin America.
And what languages were you fluent in at that time?
At that time, when I was in Guatemala, I was speaking Spanish because I was 14
years.
I had to learn the language of the people, but I had to learn nine different
languages in my life.
And so, English, French, Spanish...
Creole, Korean, Vietnamese, and that's...
A lot of languages.
I don't use so much now because I don't write.
Before, I had like a hundred persons I had to write every month.
But now, you know, I speak English, I speak Spanish, I speak Creole,
I speak French too.
And when I was missionary in Africa, I had to learn five different languages
there too.
That's a tribe language.
That's a Zulu language.
When we are missionaries, we have to learn different languages to talk to the
peoples.
And whereabouts were you in Africa as a priest?
Yeah, I was a priest in Rhodesia.
Now, they changed the name for Zimbabwe.
But I was five years in Rhodesia, in Kutama Mission.
I was the parish priest there, and I was the priest for the Rhodesia
brothers and for the school.
I was serving a school with 2,500 students.
Were you familiar with Bishop Tutu and possibly his relationship with the
Jesuits?
Oh yeah, he was a Protestant Anglican priest, and I was a Catholic priest.
We were working in the same place, in the same mission.
Do you know if he was affiliated with Jesuits?
This one Tutu was... you know, the Anglican priests, they are not
officially friends with the Jesuits, because the Anglican priests, they are
considered by the Catholic Church as Protestants.
But the Jesuits, they have their power in the Catholic Church.
I realized a few years ago, all the prime ministers in Canada, all the presidents of
the big companies, and all the prime ministers in the provinces in Canada,
in the United States, he was formed at the college by the Jesuits first.
He was educated by the Jesuits.
That's why the Jesuits tried to have the control of the world.
Okay, Pastor, I'm going to take a four-minute break, and Eric, we're going
to come back.
I know you'll have your questions ready again.
We'll be back in four minutes on the Investigative Journal.
Okay, we're going to get right back at it on the Investigative Journal.
My two special guests are former Bishop of Guatemala, Gerard Bouffard, who now
resides in Canada, and also Eric Phelps, author of Vatican Assassins, who's acting
as my co-host and providing some really stimulating questions, because he's known
the pastor for a long time, the bishop.
And we're getting... we just finished.
I want to pick up right where we left off.
And that was we established the bishop's role as a priest.
The number of years he worked in the Vatican as a confidant also to the Pope,
and then also his experience as a bishop of Guatemala and then over in Africa.
So go ahead, Eric.
Pick up where you left off.
Okay, he was a bishop in Guatemala, and he was a priest for many years in
Africa in the nine languages.
Gerard, when I visited you, you showed me your sword of the Knights of Columbus.
Could you tell me a little bit about the Knights of Columbus and your oath?
And are you a fourth degree?
Were you a fourth degree in Knights of Columbus?
Knights of Columbus, that's for... normally that's for the Catholic peoples.
They have four degrees.
Normally the people, they take three degrees.
And after that, when they have the money and they want to be in charge and have
more power, they go to New Haven to receive the fourth degree.
New Haven, Connecticut?
The fourth degree, that's just, you know, symbolic, you know.
But the Knights of Columbus now in Quebec, they lose a lot of their powers,
you know.
Before, they was like a guard, like a soldier for the church and taking
honor when the bishop was visiting a place or something like that.
But now, no.
They do a social thing, you know.
They collect money to help the poor people.
And they are going slowly, you know, down.
I see.
But this time, they was powerful.
When we was arrested by the police, by example, you just do the sign.
And if the police was the Knights of Columbus, you know, they would say,
I don't give you a ticket, but be careful next time, you know, I have to give you a
ticket.
And when the Knights of Columbus have to go to court, by example, they do a sign,
a special sign to the judge.
And they arrange that because they was brothers, you know.
What is the relationship of the Knights of Columbus to the Jesuits?
Oh, the Knights of Columbus, you know, the Jesuits, the Ignatius of Loyola found
the Jesuits to check the church.
You know, the general superior of the Jesuit order, we call him the black pope.
He is the one running the church in the background, you know, in the shadow.
So the black pope really runs the Vatican.
And that's why the Jesuit order tried to take the secret orders inside of the
Catholic system to have more control in the church, in the public, in the company,
and in the world.
They infiltrate the world by secret orders, you know, like the Knights of
Columbus, Freemasonry, Carbonaries.
This all comes from Illuminati's organization, you know, to organize the
world's government.
And so, if I just may add something here, Ark, while I'm listening.
What I'm hearing from you, Pastor, is that the Jesuits, behind the scenes,
through the black pope, actually control the Vatican, correct?
Yes, they are controlling the Vatican.
Again, just like the things the pope says last week, normally the Jesuits suppose
each preach, each sermon the pope suppose, or each conversation the pope have to do
in public, they have to check that.
Because they don't accept the pope do some error, some mistake, you know.
And they didn't check what he says, and, you know, what is the impact of his
last sermon in Germany, you know, against the Muslims and everything.
That's because the Jesuits, they never check his preach.
The Jesuits, they supervise everything in the church.
Nothing goes out if it's not supervised by the Jesuits.
Now you learned this from your days in Rome, correct?
Yes, because when I was working, I was a rector of the Holy Office in Rome.
I had to contact the Jesuits every day, and I was in charge of the secret document
in the Vatican, in the Holy Office.
And I was not allowed to send out any document before that document was checked
by a Jesuit, by a Jesuit priest.
You know, they have to supervise everything.
They run the church secretly.
That's why we call their superior the black pope, you know.
He's the shadow of the pope.
The shadow of the pope.
You told me, Gerard, that you'd also been, while you were a priest, you'd also been
brought into the Masonic Lodge.
You were also a Mason.
Could you tell us about that and the degrees that you were?
I was in 37 degrees.
Yes, in the Masonry.
First of all, I had the 31st degrees.
33 first degrees, I was a priest, normal priest.
But when I came in charge in the Vatican, you know, from the first degree to the 33
degrees, that's normal people.
34, 35, 36 degrees.
They are the elders of the great company, multinational company like Air Canada,
anyway, traveling company banks, big like a Ford company in the United
States, Chrysler.
They are in the 36 degrees.
In 37 degrees, they are all members of the clergy.
Roman Catholic, Jews, Protestant, Hindu, Muslim, they are all in the 36,
37 degrees.
They are all from religious centers.
So would you say that all the high priests in the papacy as well as the high
Protestants like Billy Graham and the high Muslims like the Al-Sadd dynasty and the
high Jews, the high Jewish chief rabbis, would you not say that the majority are
all Masons?
No, not the majority of them.
But each religion, they had to have a representative in the Freemasonry degree,
in 36, 37 degrees.
38 degrees, they are more closer, you know.
We don't know at 37 degrees who is in the 38 degrees.
And the top is 39 degrees.
And, you know, Freemasonry, they work with two pyramids.
One in North America and one in Europe.
And the 38 degrees, they are two peoples.
One from North America pyramid and the other from European pyramid.
And the 39 degrees is the supreme chief of the Freemasonry.
And the last chief I know was Paul VI, the Pope Paul VI.
He was the only Pope in all the story of the Church.
You know, his hat is supposed to have three crowns.
That's why they call that in Latin tiara.
That means three crowns.
But Paul VI had four crowns.
Because the fourth one was the world chief of the Freemasonry.
Okay, we are going to take a break and come back with former Bishop Buffard and
Eric Phelps.
And I might remind everyone that in canon law, it's supposed to mean excommunication
if you belong to a Masonic lodge.
We will be back and talk about that in four minutes.
Okay, we are back for the final segment of this first hour of the investigative
journal.
And we are going to spend two hours with my guests.
That's former Bishop Gerard Buffard and also Eric Phelps, author of Vatican
Assassins.
And I hope people out there appreciate this, what former Bishop Buffard is
saying.
A person that has this kind of information, who worked closely in Rome
and understands the inner workings, should be praised for coming forward.
Because I'll tell you what, not many people do.
This has been a long-kept secret in this country of actually the real workings of
the Vatican.
What their real intentions are and how they use the Jesuit order as their
henchmen.
And I think after this interview, go to www.gcnlive.com, go to the archives,
pass this around.
Because I think after you listen to these two hours, it will remove any kind of
doubt that the Vatican is actually the religious controllers of the New World
Order.
Controlled by the Black Pope.
And we have former Bishop Gerard Buffard, who has verified that after working in the
Vatican for a number of years.
Communicating with the Jesuits on a daily basis.
Eric, I want you to continue.
It was shocking to me to hear this about all these different...
I knew back in the 80's when I worked in Rome.
I was there when over 150 high bishops, priests, and our cardinals were outed as
being members of Masonic lodges, P2 included.
I remember the story coming out in the Italian newspapers when I worked there.
And now we hear that Pope Paul VI, through Bishop Buffard's recollections,
was actually a 39th degree Mason.
Unbelievable.
Go ahead and pick it up from there, Eric.
Are you there?
Yes, I am there.
Go ahead.
You know what I said?
You know, I don't say that Brother Billy Graham was Mason.
But I said, you know, the Jesuits infiltrate the Christian Church through
the Mason.
They infiltrate the big organizations.
Like a Baptist organization, Baptist Church, Pentecostal Church, Adventist
Church.
They infiltrate the big system to control the system.
And many of their pastors or their leaders, they don't know they are
infiltrated by the Jews, but through the secret orders, you know.
The secret orders, they are created to infiltrate the people and to know what is
going on inside.
The heart of each organization to control, to make that a world government,
you know.
That's their way to control.
They infiltrate the Church.
They infiltrate the congregation.
And they know everything is going inside.
And with that, they can play their cards and organize their things, you know.
That leads to another question.
Go ahead, Eric.
What do you feel, Pastor Bafard, is the purpose for the confessional that
the priests employ?
The what?
The confession?
Yeah, why are they using it?
What's the real reason for the confessional?
What are they doing with it?
Okay, the priests, now they don't use that because the people, they don't believe in
that.
Before, just like me, while I was named a priest in Africa or in Guatemala,
I don't know what I had to preach.
Because I don't know the sins of the people.
And we have to preach against the sins of the people.
And to know who are the sins of the people, we have to receive a confession
from them.
They come in confessional, they accuse my father.
I do this, I do this, I do this, I do this.
Okay, in the name of God, I forget your sins.
In the name of the Father, the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.
We give them a punishment and they go.
But next Sunday, I said, oh yes.
In this parish, they do a tattooing.
They drink a lot.
They are wrong against their wife.
They don't, you know, they don't look after their family.
And I have something to preach.
That's why they use confession.
That's why now the Catholic Church, they lose the power in their people.
Because the people, they don't know, they don't go in confession again.
They are not obliged to go.
When I was priest, we were obliged to go in confession every week.
Because if you don't go to confession, we are not allowed to receive the
communion.
And if we don't receive the communion, the people in church, they say,
oh, she don't receive the communion because she did something wrong.
To, you know, to don't be judged by the people, we have to go to confessional to
receive the absolution.
And after that, receive the communion.
That's a cultural system organized by the church to know the private life of the
people.
As you say these things, it reminds me that, see, Lyndon Johnson, he wanted to
have communion from his Roman Catholic priest, Father Schneider.
And Father Schneider said, I can't give you communion until you're baptized.
Isn't that correct?
I don't hear your question well.
Okay, a Catholic priest cannot give communion to the person unless the person
is baptized into the Catholic Church, right?
Yeah, he is not supposed to give a communion if he is not baptized.
Okay, and I found it very humorous that when I read this particular document that
Lyndon Johnson, the American president involved in the assassination of John F.
Kennedy, that he wanted to take communion from the man he called his best friend,
Father Winnibar Schneider.
And Father Winnibar Schneider, who was the pastor of Francis Xavier
Church in Texas, said, I cannot give you communion because you're not baptized.
But President Kennedy, as I hear in the story, he was a Catholic president.
He was a Roman Catholic president.
Yes, he was a Roman Catholic, but with President Kennedy, he would not allow the
Sunday Mass to be said in the White House.
Yeah, I don't know, but I know.
For us, he was a Catholic president in the United States.
But you know, each bishop, each priest, they do what they want in their parish.
If I want to refuse communion to certain peoples, I was allowed to do this,
you know.
But you know, in each religion, they have a special law, and they have a
common law, and they can change the law as they want, you know.
You know, you mentioned Paul VI.
Before he was Pope Paul VI, he was the Assistant Cardinal Secretary of State.
Yes, he was Secretary of State.
Are you familiar with his involvement in the Vatican rat lines, helping Nazis
escape out of Europe after World War II?
You know, the word World War II, that's a big story.
All that is, that's a big money story.
You know, the Church of Rome, the Vatican, the Bank of the Vatican, they had a
problem.
And they asked the Jews' bank, the World Jews' Bank, to refill the bank,
you know.
But they had a date to give the money back, you know.
So, that's the main story, but you know, they have some documents to prove that,
you know, but that's difficult to prove.
But the normal story is, and because the Vatican didn't have the money to give the
money back to the Jews' bank, Pius XII and his consul, he was a new pope in this
time.
He asked Van Patten and Alfred Muller, the guards and the consular of Hitler,
to come in Rome.
And he said, we have to kill the Jews because the Jews put Jesus on the cross.
But that's not... the Jews made Jesus on the cross.
First of all, that's a Roman, the soldier of Rome, to kill him.
But Jesus was made on the cross because of my sins, not because of the Jews.
Pastor, we're going to have to take a break.
And Eric, we're going to take a top of the hour break, about three minutes,
and then six minutes for news.
So both of you take a little breather.
We're going to come back for our second hour on the Investigative Journal with
Eric Phelps, author of Vatican Assassins, and former Bishop Gerard Bouffard.
Back in about seven minutes.
Okay, we're back for the second hour of the Investigative Journal.
My guests are former Bishop of Guatemala, Gerard Bouffard, who also worked a number
of years in the Vatican and has inside information that he shared with us that
first hour.
My other guest is also Eric Phelps, the author of Vatican Assassins.
And we're together questioning who are the real spiritual controllers of the New
World Order.
And I want to thank Bishop Gerard Bouffard for coming forward with this information.
And we're going to continue on.
I know... Eric, are you there right now?
Yes.
Can we get the music off in the back?
Thanks.
Anyway, what I wanted to mention, Eric, was that there are some things I'd
like to get at.
I know you know the Bishop quite well.
Some things I think I'm interested in is why he finally left.
I'd like to get into that.
Why he left the church.
Also, the state of the church in America and the Jesuit role here.
And I just thought you might want to pick it up again where you left off.
Okay.
Well, Gerard, tell us why you left the papacy and how you came to the Lord.
Oh, I was coming from Rome and a boy came in front of me in a railway station in
Montreal and asked me if I was saved.
But I can't answer because I didn't know what that means, saved, salvation,
you know.
And the boy told me, he said, if you find a Bible, you know if you are saved or not.
And finally, I find a Bible and I open the Bible in the books of Hebrews chapter 7,
verse 23, 24, and 27.
The verses said, and they truly were many priests because they were not afraid to
continue by reason of death.
But this man, that means Jesus, because he continued ever, had an
unchangeable priesthood.
And in French, that means not transmittable priesthood.
That means that priesthood of Jesus can be given to anyone.
That's especially for him.
And verse 27, he said, he did not daily ask those high priests to offer up
sacrifice, first for his own sins and then for the people.
For this he died once when he offered up himself at the cross.
That means after Jesus is no more priest.
I was believing the Bible was the words of God.
But first of all, I was not allowed to read the Bible.
And secondly, I didn't have to read the Bible because I was more intelligent than
the Bibles.
In the Catholic Church, they don't preach through the word of God.
They preach the word of St. Thomas Aquinas.
They preach through theology, philosophy, and you know, big preacher.
But they use the Bible just to face, you know.
And when I wrote, I read that verses, you know, I was shocking in myself.
And I said, I'm not a priest.
Who I am.
And from that moment, I get out of the church and I find some Christians and they
preach me the word of God.
And I accept Jesus Christ in my life.
I give my life to Jesus and I consecrate in my life.
And I'm serving him up to now.
And the first, I have a few points, you know.
I finally, when I was reading the Bible, you know, the Holy Spirit opened my eyes.
And teach me something.
The Catholic Church, you know, they practice idolatry.
They adore people.
Idolatry.
The Bible said you are supposed to adore God only, you know.
And they continue with the priesthood.
But according to the word of God, there is no more priesthood.
And in the Bible, you can't find priesthood anywhere in the New Testament.
They speak about the prophets, the evangelists, the apostles,
the pastors, the teachers.
But they never speak about priests again because we have only one priest,
Jesus Christ, you know.
And they have intercession.
Intercession with the dead.
And the Bible said we are not supposed to obey the people they have contact with the
dead.
With the spirit of the dead.
The Bible said no to that.
And the Catholic Church, when they see the mass, they practice witchcraft with the
dead people.
They pray Mary, they pray Saint Joseph, they pray that saint, that saint.
All dead people.
And we have a living God.
We are supposed to pray Jesus.
Jesus said, all things you ask of my Father in my name you will receive it,
you know.
We have one God.
And we adore and we pray.
They push us to pray the dead people.
And we have a living God, but they don't worry about Him.
That's the more crime the Catholic institutions do.
They play with the spirit.
For the priest, when he sees the mass, he is obliged to have a stone.
A stone with, in the middle of that stone, they have little tombs with the bones of
the dead in there.
If the priest can't put his cup in that, the mass is not good.
You have to pass by the spirit of the dead to have good things.
That's not what the Word of God says.
We have a living God, and He is only one mediator between the Father and us.
He is Jesus.
Now, I've got to ask you a question.
When you were at the Vatican, Bishop, when you worked there for all those years,
there are many people that say the high-level Jesuits, the hierarchy of the
Vatican, actually their first allegiance is to Lucifer.
Looking back at your experience, can you add anything to that statement?
About the Jesuit power?
No, about... go ahead.
I was saying the Jesuits, many people say the Jesuits and the hierarchy,
the high Vatican priests, many of them have their first allegiance to Lucifer,
not to Jesus.
What do you think?
That's true.
If you look at the story of the church, from now to the beginning, you know,
a religion, you can find any religion you want.
Inside of the religion, they have witchcraft.
And by the witchcraft, they control people.
They control the soul of the people.
That's why when we give our life to Jesus Christ, when we confess Christ as our
personal Savior, we ask Him to put outside of ourselves all spirit.
Many people, they are kidnapped by the spirit of witchcraft, and all that's
coming from the power.
And they, you know, to face that, they organize a secret organization.
But they are all controlled by the high priest in the Catholic church or other
religion, you know.
They are members of the... they are coming from that religion, but they stay.
They are afraid, they are in war against their mother, but they stay the daughter
of their mother.
They use the same way, but different manners, you know.
That's why myself, I'm not a protestant.
I am part of the body of Christ.
I am a Christian, born again people.
I'm not a protestant.
When you call you protestant, because you are not born again.
We have to leave everything in that.
The vast majority of protestants are high level Freemasons.
The Southern Baptist Convention has 500,000 Masons in their convention.
Eric, we are going to have to take a break right now.
Pastor and Eric, we are going to take a break right now.
Be back in four minutes and continue on, on the Investigative Journal.
Okay, we are back.
Final segment in this half hour of the Investigative Journal.
And we are talking with my two guests.
Former Bishop Gerard Bouffard, who was an insider, who worked at the
Vatican many years.
And also Eric Phelps, author of Vatican Assassins.
And that book is coming out shortly.
So I want to, at the end of the interview and the next way at the top of the hour,
we are going to get into that.
But before I do, let me just recap a few things here.
The Bishop has come forward telling some shocking things about the Church.
He worked in the Vatican for many years.
How he learned on a daily basis that the Jesuit order through the Black Pope
actually controlled the Vatican.
How the Vatican practices witchcraft basically in its worshiping.
And they actually don't worship God, but many of the hierarchy worship Lucifer.
I wanted to ask... I know Eric has a number of questions.
And right after this segment, I want to spend the last half hour talking about how
you knew Father Alberto Rivera.
He is a Jesuit priest who came forward and talked about how the Jesuits infiltrate
other religions.
How their main goal is to take over this country and other countries and form one
world government, one world religion.
Not under freedom and democracy and worshiping God, but under fascism and
basically worshiping Lucifer.
And this is going to be an interesting half hour.
But let's finish up here, Bishop.
I know you left the Church with bad taste in your mouth and you were very
displeased.
Tell us again, when you were at the Vatican, what did you really learn about
their intentions, about this country, about America?
Greg, I think before we go to that question, it might be good to ask Gerard
to please explain to us the doctrine of the temporal power.
Okay, go ahead.
Okay.
The doctrine of the temporal power, that one of the first official secret
organizations was found by the Templars to control every traffic between Europe to
Jerusalem.
They called them the protector of the, what do you call that, the travelers,
you know, the pilgrims, you know, to Jerusalem.
But they had to control everything coming inside of Jerusalem and going outside of
Jerusalem.
And that's one of the reasons Ignatius of Royola found the Jesuits.
Because the Jesuits had two functions.
They were soldiers, inquisitors, and to cover that, there was a priest.
And as a priest, nobody had a doubt about them.
They were believing them.
And that gave them the power to take the control.
Because in this time, Rome wanted to have the power in Jerusalem and the Holy Land.
And they didn't have it.
That's why they have the concordia with the Muslims.
You know, Muhammad was married with a Roman Catholic woman.
Muhammad?
Muhammad, yeah.
Muhammad was married to a Roman Catholic woman?
Muhammad, yeah.
He was married with a Roman Catholic woman.
And all that, all the Jesuit spirit...
Right.
And Alberto Rivera, when Alberto Rivera got out of the Jesuit order, he started to
give his testimony.
And he was very, very, very shocking the Catholic system.
And he was breaking, really, the faith of the people.
That's why the Jesuit order and the Catholic system, they worked against him
all his life to kill him, to stop him to do, to reveal secret things to the people.
You know?
That's why they made a war against him.
And they killed him too.
He was poisoned inside in one hospital.
And he was poisoned with acid, you know, they gave him a glass of acid,
burned all of his body.
Alberto died like a martyr.
I visited him a few days before he died.
When he died, I was not there, but I was there a few weeks before he
died.
And I visited him in the hospital.
And I've never seen a man suffering like that in my life, you know.
He gave his life for the truth.
But he was blocking to tell the truth.
Because in the Christian way too, we have some problems too, you know.
We still sinner, we are saved, but we still sinner.
And he had a problem with the Catholic system when the Jesuit, because he was a
Jesuit.
And the Jesuit, the things they do to many people against him.
They said he was never a priest, he never was a Jesuit.
They break his paper, just like they do with me, you know.
You know, they destroy every proof they have, he have, you know.
And to break his work.
And when they realize they can't stop him to speak, they kill him, that's all.
And you knew Father Rivera, you know.
You knew Father Rivera well, right?
Oh yes, I know him.
I know personally, I was traveling many times with him to all in the United
States.
We went to California, we went to Florida.
He came in Alberta, in Canada.
I was with him, I met him in Alberta.
When he came for the first time, gave his testimony in a town named Dallas
in Alberta.
And I met him there.
You know, I wrote a letter before to ask the bishop to kill him, you know.
When I was in power.
Because he was really breaking the system.
What did you say?
Did you repeat that?
Did you repeat that, Bishop?
I said, I wrote a letter before to the bishop around the world.
To put Alberto Rivera in the manner that he can't do anything against the church.
That means, kill him if you want, but stop him to talk.
And this is before when you were still loyal to the Catholic Church, correct?
Yeah, when I was in the holy office.
And when I get saved, when I was born again, I tried to meet him, to talk with
him.
To ask him to forget me about that.
And I met him in Alberta.
And after that, we were still working together a few years.
And we were traveling together with his wife, with his young son, Albertito.
And I know perfectly well Ritu, his wife.
And we were working together.
He came to my town in Quebec to give his testimony in my small church where I was a
pastor a few years ago.
And he came to Quebec City to give his testimony in Quebec at the university.
Bishop, we're going to take a break.
And then come back in four minutes and continue on the investigative journal.
Okay, we're back.
And I'm interviewing, along with Eric Phelps, we're interviewing Bishop Gerard
Bouffard, former Bishop Gerard Bouffard, who has left the Catholic Church.
Just an incredible story.
And Bishop, do you believe what Fr.
Alberto Rivera said about the Jesuit order, their intentions, and the Vatican
are true?
Yes, it's true.
And you know, in the time of Paul VI, the Vatican was realized.
The United States of America was the model for all the countries around the world to
have a Christian people.
We never can find around the world a number of Christians and believers like
you have in the United States in Spain.
That's why Paul VI came to the United Nations to speak there, to organize a
revival in the Catholic Church, to bring the Catholic Church back to him,
you know, to fight the Christian preaching in the United States.
John Paul II came to Mexico to do the same thing, to stop the Christians to take the
place of the Catholic Church in Central America, to preach the Word of God and
chase that church, you know, that idolatry, you know, church.
That's why they come to break it, because they were feeling like,
you know, the church was going down, down, down.
And they take their Pope to make a revival, Catholic revival.
But we know, according to the Bible, we are supposed to have a revival in
Quebec, in Canada, in the United States, and to bring our people to God,
not to religion.
That's why the two last Popes, they tried to bring the people back to
their religion.
But the Word of God said we don't have to be religious, we have to be part of the
Body of Christ and born again and serve God, not serve a religion of Jesus with
our secularization.
Father Alberto Rivera said that the Jesuits in America, he was privy to
information that they infiltrated other churches to destroy the religions,
to destroy this country, and actually have much power over our government.
Do you also believe that, from what you've learned?
Yes, I believe that.
Because Alberto, the first time he was an infiltrator.
After that, God talked with him, and he changed his mind.
That's why they destroy him, because he never do what they want him to do for
them.
You know, he changed his mind, and he born again, get converted,
and start to preach the Word of God and speak against that devil system.
That's why they kill him.
And I believe that.
Were you there when Alberto spoke in Guatemala, when he spoke to all those
people that time, when he exposed the papacy and the purpose of the Jesuits?
Yes, I was there.
You were there?
You heard that speech?
Yes.
And we had fun after that.
Would you agree with Alberto that the Vatican killed John F.
Kennedy?
Because Alberto was very boisterous about that.
In fact, he said he was involved in the assassination of Corpus Christi,
Texas.
Yes, I believe in that too.
You know, they can do anything.
You can imagine the way they used to destroy.
Would you say that, as Alberto said, that the Vatican was in control of the
Mafia here in the United States?
Anywhere around the world.
They control everything.
They have the power.
With the story of the World Trade Center and everything, you know, people cannot
imagine what they do, you know.
The Jesuit system, they control the Catholic Church, they control everything.
So, as I say in my book, and I've said publicly for the last five years,
that the Jesuits used Archbishop Edward Cardinal Egan to bring down the World
Trade Center.
Would you agree that the Vatican was really behind the bringing down of the
World Trade Center?
You know, I don't want to talk about that.
If you don't want to answer that, that's okay.
But, anyway, I know where that thing comes, you know.
And I know one thing, the Jesuit system and the secret system, the organization
system, they try to put the United States down, because you can find the majority of
the Christians in North America, they are in the United States.
And that's not what the Catholic and the Jesuit system want.
They want to control everything.
That's why they are against North America.
Would you say that the Vatican is behind all these illegal Mexican Roman Catholic
aliens coming into this country by the millions?
Why not?
You know, you can't imagine all the way they used to destroy and control.
And the directions come from the Black Pope?
Yeah.
Yes.
Did the Jesuits control Quebec?
No, they didn't.
There are around 15 powerful people in the Vatican.
They are all Jesuits.
They have the Jesuits before they have the Dominican Fathers.
And the Jesuits take the place of the Dominicans after that.
They fight against the Dominicans, because the Dominicans, they create the
Inquisition.
And the Jesuits take the place of the Dominicans.
Because there are many steps to be a Jesuit.
And they are drilled to control and get the control to organize the world
government.
That's the plan of the secret society to create the world government.
And the Jesuits, they are the head of that.
The Jesuits, they are coming rightly from the Illuminati.
The Illuminati.
What do you think of Ignatius Loyola's spiritual exercises?
It made me laugh.
You know what means Jesuit?
No.
Hypocrite.
And you have your answer.
Jesuit means hypocrite.
If you look in the dictionary, they wrote Jesuit, hypocrite.
Yes, an English word is Jesuitical.
So if someone is being hypocritical or lying or deceptive, they use the word
Jesuitical.
At least for a long time, they don't use it much anymore.
Pastor, do you ever fear, or Bishop, do you ever fear any repercussions for you
coming forward?
I want to thank, you know, you are so brave to do this.
But do you ever fear anything?
You know, I have my family.
And, you know, it's something, you know, we have to check.
Because if we don't, just like Alberto, Alberto gave his life for that.
Okay, we're going to take a break.
Come back with our final segment and some important questions remaining.
And thank you so much, Bishop.
We'll be back in four minutes on the Investigative Journal.
Okay, we are back for our final 11-minute segment of the Investigative Journal.
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Now, I got one question for the former Bishop and the former Bishop who worked
inside the Vatican for six years.
And then, Eric, I know you have a few more.
But let me preface it with this.
From the beginning of his presidency, George Bush has been promoting the Jesuit
agenda.
And I think we can prove this beyond a reasonable doubt.
Look at this.
Two months into his presidency, surrounded by the Cardinals of Rome,
the President dedicated a cultural center in Washington, D.C., to the greatest
enemy.
I think many people who address this issue, like Eric Phelps and the Bishop,
will agree.
The greatest enemy this Republic ever had, the Pope of Rome.
Bush declared that day that he is going to enforce the words and teachings of the
Pope here in America.
My last question, Bishop, is when are the American people going to wake up?
And what is going to happen to this country if we do not address this issue of
this Vatican-led takeover of our country and using the Jesuits here, who have a
stronghold with 28 universities.
What do they have planned?
And why aren't the Americans really responding?
You know, for any people around the world, we are already in the system trying to
destroy all the systems around the world.
We have only one thing to do, and go in our knees and pray to God to help and take
control of the world.
You know, I don't want to put my nose outside of my country, but I know one
thing.
If the world continues just like it is now, we are going to be destroyed.
You know, and we are going to perish.
But if we trust God, we're trusting in God and praying sincerely and have a contact
with God, God loves His people because He created His people.
He created the United States, He created Canada, He created everything.
We have to go in our knees and pray to God to protect us against all the systems
trying to destroy us.
You know, God, all the people, many people, the majority of the people,
they are religious, but they are not Christian.
Any religious system can't save people.
Any religion around the world, they can't save people.
We have to faith in God, faith God, and we have to put our faith in Jesus and
God, not in the religion.
If we are religious, we are not in the end of the road.
God doesn't want us to be religious.
He wants to be His children.
That's why we have to fight against our religious system, that the religious
system is condemning the people now to death.
Right, and Eric, I know you have some questions.
Go ahead, we have about eight or nine minutes.
Yes, so you would say, Pastor Bafar, that for this to change, men have to
repent of their sins and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ that He died for their
sins, according to the Scriptures.
That's the only way.
That's the only hope we can have.
And then once we would do that, then the Lord would intervene for us,
wouldn't you say?
What did you say?
Once we would truly repent and believe on Christ and then seek the Lord and pray to
Him, then don't you think He would fight for us?
Yes, God fights for us.
And we are already, we have the victory when we really give, put our life in the
hand of God.
We are sure to be safe and protected.
God is loving His people.
You know, I love my family.
I love you, brother.
I love the other brother on the radio.
I love every people in North America.
But God loves them more as I love them.
He gives His life for them.
He gives His life for me.
He gives His life for you, brother, precious brother.
And we have to put our life in His hand, confess Him and serve Him.
And He is there to protect us.
You know, I'm reminded that that's what happened in England when the people of
England, truly many of them, repented and believed on Christ.
And the Vatican was using Philip II of Spain to send this huge armada against
England.
And because they went into their churches and they prayed and they sought the Lord,
and then they went out to fight with the armada, that the Lord intervened for them
and blew most of the armada up in the North Sea and destroyed at least one third
to three quarters of it.
20,000 men on probably 100 Spanish galleons and only 20 galleons returned to
Spain.
So if the Lord did it back in England, He can do it again here because we do
anticipate.
Yes, you know, we have one thing to do.
Pray for our government.
We have to pray for our leaders.
Our president, our premier minister, we have to pray for our politicians.
You know, we have to pray for them.
Well, you know, that reminds me of Charles V.
He was the Holy Roman Emperor in the 1500s and he was greatly persecuting God's
people and the reformers and others.
And so they all prayed against him.
But you know, we have to be persecuted, you know, if you want to live.
We are going to have persecution, no doubt, but they prayed that the Lord
would intervene.
And you know what Charles V.
did?
Charles V.
resigned and he went into a monastery and spent the rest of his life harvesting
flowers.
Now that would be a wonderful thing for George Bush.
Would to God that he would resign, go into a monastery and pick flowers for
the rest of his life.
Because if something like that doesn't happen, he is going to bring the power of
the Vatican, its military power in control of China, Russia, Mexico, the Islamic
world.
He is going to bring all that over here for our invasion.
And I really believe we need to be serious as the English were and as you were Pastor
when you left the power of the Vatican as a Bishop.
And I would also like to say thank you for telling me that you asked Alberto to
forgive you for writing that letter against him.
Yeah, I mean that is an amazing story.
I followed Alberto Rivera's story and to listen to you Bishop, give it credibility.
I hope everyone out there that has doubted that.
And I have had people after I have written the story send me emails, oh he was never
a priest.
And I think what this interview has done, I think listeners, you must understand
that this comes from the heart of a man who was close to the Catholic Church,
who believed in it and found out their real intentions.
And that intention is to destroy us.
And we can't let that happen.
And we can't let our beliefs, our false beliefs go on any longer.
And that is why I believe what Eric has called for in his book to oust the Jesuits
from this soil, even though they have such a strong foothold, is something that
Americans must consider.
Because they control the Council on Foreign Relations.
They control our government.
And our government is not representing the people.
They are going to what?
They are going to preside over the deaths of millions of Americans.
And I really thank the Bishop for coming forward because I think it is going to
save some lives.
Just by people listening to the credibility of his words.
Despite the campaign that the Jesuits, I know, will put on to discredit him,
I won't believe one word of it.
And I hope you out there won't either.
Any last words, Pastor or Eric?
We only have a couple of minutes.
Go ahead, George.
Please.
Okay.
Apart of now, I put the United States in my prayer every day.
I put the government, I put President Bush and his elders to turn their hearts to
God, you know.
God is our only hope.
He is the one who can give peace, you know.
And thank you, Father, to give us this opportunity to be on radio today.
And thank you so much, Pastor.
To speak about your love.
With that, I must go.
We are all out of time.
Eric, thank you so much for coming on board.
Thank you, Greg.
Thank you, George, for coming.
God bless you.
Okay, God bless you all.
And we are all out of time today on the Investigative Journal.
Powerful show.
We will be back tomorrow with another one.