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DUP leader Ian Paisley was jostled, punched and
then dragged out of the European Parliament today

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after interrupting a speech by the Pope.

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The disturbance came within seconds of the Pope
starting to speak.

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Other Euro MPs responded angrily when Dr Paisley
heckled the Pope, saying he was the Antichrist.

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Permit me to say how much I...

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He was punched and that he later received a
personal apology from the head of security for

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failing to protect him.

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The poster stated simply, John Paul II Antichrist.

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A reference to the view supported by Archbishop
Cranmer in Reformation times that by claiming to

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be God's earthly representative, Popes have
usurped the position of Christ.

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He remained unrepentant despite being accused of
being a bigot.

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But let me say this, if the honour of Christ is at
stake, I would put my whole political career on

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the line for the honour of Jesus Christ and his
truth.

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I happen to be a Protestant by conviction and I'm
not going to sell my Protestant heritage.

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World attention was focused on the European
Parliament earlier this week when the Northern

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Ireland MEP and leader of the DUP, Ian Paisley,
denounced Pope John Paul II as the Antichrist,

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just as the Pope began to make his address to the
Parliament.

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An address which looked forward to increased
European unity in 1992.

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The moderator of the Presbyterian Church in
Ireland, Dr. Godfrey Brown, stated earlier this

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year that there is no scriptural evidence for the
Westminster Confession of Faith statement that the

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Pope is the Antichrist.

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The members of the Free Presbyterian Church,
however, are still bound to regard the Pope as

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Antichrist.

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But Reverend Ian Paisley, who is also of course
the moderator of the Free Presbyterian Church, has

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addressed himself to the issue and has published
an exposition called simply Antichrist, which he

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claims demonstrates from scripture, history and
the Pope's own lips why the Pope is the

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Antichrist.

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Well, he is with me in the studio to discuss the
issue and also with me is John Bach, who is also a

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theologian.

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John Bach, irrespective of the manner in which the
evidence is presented by Ian Paisley in this book,

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can we address the central argument?

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Is his argument simply a wrong one?

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I think it's a dated one.

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Of course, the book claims to be by Ian R.K.

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Paisley on the cover.

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In fact, it's a rehash of a work produced in the
last century by a man who had the amazing title of

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lecturer in Popery at some Protestant institute.

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But in the book, I find, for example, that the
Pope invented sin, taught sin, enacted sin, trades

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in sin and is the incarnation of sin.

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And I have to say that I do find that really
rather offensive, as I believe many Roman

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Catholics will.

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And I note that the present Anglo-Irish agreement,
which is designed, as far as I can make out, to

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give comfort and succor to Roman Catholics who may
feel they're being treated badly in the North,

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well, it isn't doing much to counter that.

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I believe that many Roman Catholic people will be
hurt.

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And I must say, with the greatest of respect, that
my study of this book, which incidentally is made

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up of short chapters of no more than three pages
each, is an amalgam of ignorance and

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offensiveness.

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Well, Ian Paisley, you've written the book, you
obviously are firmly convinced of the arguments,

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and that was demonstrated at the European
Parliament earlier this week.

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What do you say to that?

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Well, first of all, the book makes it perfectly
clear that this is a pre-say of Dr. G.

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A.

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Wiley's classic, which people say is the
Antichrist.

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It makes that absolutely clear.

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Well, it is an exposition by me, because if Mr.
Bach had read the introduction, he would have seen

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that there is also other material which was not
from Dr. Wiley's book.

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Dr. Wiley is a well-known historian.

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His history of Protestantism is a basic work and
is honoured by all historians, even those who

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disagree with his proposition.

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So, to say that because he lectured in Popery, in
a very important institute in Edinburgh, which was

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connected with the three main Presbyterian bodies
in Edinburgh, is that this man was someone to be

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reviled or rejected.

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That doesn't really stand up.

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But that, of course, is not the argument, because
I am reminded of Lloyd George being in a tough

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political fight in Wales, and he was addressing a
packed schoolroom of supporters, and suddenly

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through the window there came a stone.

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And the politician stood up the stone and he said,
I don't need to argue any more.

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I won the argument.

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Because if you are not going to deal with basics,
and you are only going to attack the people that

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put forward propositions, you are not coming to
the argument.

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Well, let me come then to what Mr. Bach said.

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He said he didn't like what was said that the Pope
invented sin.

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But it is a fact.

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Has Mr. Bach studied the volumes that the Church
of Rome has issued concerning what is venial sin

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and what is moral sin?

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They have defined sin.

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They not only have defined sin, but they have
actually said that certain things are sin, which

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according to the Scriptures are not sin.

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For example, take the worship of images.

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The Church of Rome holds that a special worship
should be given to images.

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The Bible holds the very opposite and says, Thou
shalt not bow down thyself to them nor serve them.

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So when this book says the Pope invented sin, and
Wiley says that, he is speaking the truth.

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But you know what you are saying, it is important
to take it point by point.

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What you said is that the Catholic Church has
defined sin.

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Now there is a big difference between defining
something and inventing it.

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No, no.

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To call something a sin that is not a sin is
inventing a sin.

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But what about the Pope being the incarnation of
sin?

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Or being devious and diabolical?

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What about the suggestion that the Pope is a
greater sinner than Judas Iscariot?

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That is deeply offensive to Roman Catholic people.

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Let me say this, that in the historical... and
let's get back.

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I notice Mr. Bath said it was a dated position.

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But this is exactly what I am seeking to
establish.

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Because when one says today that the Pope is the
Antichrist, hands are raised in this ecumenical

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age of fudge, and people say, oh that should not
be said.

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Mr. Bath belongs to the Church of Ireland.

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The Irish Articles of 1615 put it clearly that the
Bishop of Rome is so far from being the supreme

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head of the universal Church of Christ that his
works and doctrine do plainly discover him to be

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that man of sin foretold in the Holy Scriptures,
whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his

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mouth and abolish with the brightness of his
coming.

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Now no doubt that may be offensive to Roman
Catholics.

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There are things in the Bible that are offensive
to all sinners.

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But we have to accept them.

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That is the plain teaching, historically, of the
Anglican Church in Ireland.

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As Mr. Bath very well knows, the Presbyterian
Confession of Faith.

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And Mr. Brown, Dr. Brown may say, we don't accept
it.

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But when he was ordained to the ministry, he was
asked, did he accept it?

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And would he sign it as a confession of his own
faith?

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And he did sign it as a confession of his own
faith.

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The Savoy Confession of the Congregational Church
makes the same statement.

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The Old Baptist Confession of 1688.

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And John Wesley and his notes in the New
Testament.

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So I am contending for nothing more or nothing
less than what was stated by the Reformed creeds

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of Protestant Christians.

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But John Barker, is that the official position of
the Anglican Church in Ireland?

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Because if it is, Ian Paisley's argument would
seem to hold a good deal of water.

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Ian Paisley is quite correct to say these are
important historical formularies.

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They were written at the time of the Protestant
Reformation when there was a lot of persecution

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and martyrdom.

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And the real issue is whether these dated
statements apply to the 20th century.

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And the assumption behind Ian Paisley's argument
is that the Roman Catholic Church has not changed

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at all.

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And I think that's where the real intellectual
debate must begin.

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There was a time when Roman Catholics would have
absolutely nothing to do with Protestants at all.

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Mercifully that's changed.

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And as Mr Paisley surely will know, there has
recently been a defection from the papacy of a

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right-wing theologian called Archbishop Lefebvre
who wants to go back to those days.

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The assumption being that the Vatican has changed.

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And I really don't see any purpose in resurrecting
bitter and horrible days which we should really

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put behind us and instead try and rediscover what
love and forgiveness are because these are pretty

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fundamental Christian ideals.

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Let me say that we are dealing here with a
biblical doctrine.

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This doctrine set forth in the historic creeds of
Christendom and in the formulas of the Reformation

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churches was based upon the scriptures.

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Now the scriptures make it clear that such an
Antichrist would arise.

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We have the prophecies of Daniel.

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We have the prophecies of the Lord Jesus Christ.

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We have the prophecies of the Apostle Paul and the
prophecies of the Apostle John.

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And that the Apostle Paul has said there are
certain marks that are going to distinguish the

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Antichrist.

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And it's these marks that this book is
considering.

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This book says from the very beginning it
demonstrates from scripture, from history and from

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his own lips.

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Now the papacy has not changed.

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The papacy said in Vatican II that there would be
no departure from the doctrine of the Council of

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Trent.

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That's written into their documents.

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I debated that with a Jesuit priest at Queen's
University, Father Corbusier, as you know.

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That was the basis of our debate.

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But the Pope of Rome claims to be another Christ
on earth.

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And when he was crowned as the pontiff, he was set
up above the throne.

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And the cardinals came and kissed his feet.

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And we have explained in this book the whole
ceremony of his coronation and what it means.

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And what is more, I have the 100 texts of T.C.

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Hammond of the Irish Church Missions, which is a
Church of Ireland organization, as Mr. Bath knows.

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And they repeat what Pope Pius IX said, I alone,
despite my unworthiness, am the successor of the

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Apostles, the vicar of Christ.

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I alone have the mission to guide and direct the
bark of Peter.

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I am the way, the truth, and the life.

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They who are with me are with the Church.

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And they who are not with me are out of the
Church.

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They are out of the way, the truth, and the life.

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Now there is no difference between that and the
present claims of the papacy.

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And this is the issue that we should be addressing
ourselves to.

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If Mr. Bath can show me something in any document
from Rome, I have studied every document that has

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been issued by the Vatican very carefully, even
the one on ecumenism.

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And he knows perfectly well that the old human
sanctum creed is still underlined in that

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document, that they alone are the true Church.

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And while others may be in some way seeking the
truth, the truth is in us and in us alone.

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Well that kind of monopoly position of Rome is one
which clearly as a Protestant I don't accept.

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But I think the important thing is neither do
liberally minded Roman Catholics.

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And we've got to recognize that things have
changed.

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Now I'm interested in what Ian Paisley says about
Antichrist in Scripture.

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Now I can debate this until the cows come home.

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And if you look, for example, at the book of
Daniel, to which this book alludes a great deal,

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the fact is that book was written at a time when a
man called Antiochus Epiphanes was busy attacking

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Jerusalem forbidding Jewish customs upon the plane
of death.

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And this apocalyptic, that's the technical name,
this apocalyptic literature was a way of saying

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don't believe any of all this, our cause is
victorious.

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Exactly the same applies in the book of
Revelation, which was written at a time of massive

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persecution by the Roman Empire.

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Now to take those statements, which quite plainly
were addressed to historic figures, Antiochus

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Epiphanes and the Emperor Domitian, and to say
somehow they apply to the papacy in the 1980s, I

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have to say is a far fetched and not a sound
explanation.

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Well I think it is amazing to hear Mr. Bath make
that statement about the book of Daniel.

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For the book of Daniel prophesies about four
kingdoms, or four world empires that were going to

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come.

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Daniel was not dealing with the present situation
at all, he was dealing with a situation that was

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yet to come.

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And anyone that reads the book will remember the
great dream of the massive image with the head of

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gold, the breast of silver, the loins of brass,
and the legs of iron, and the toes part of iron

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and part of clay.

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And Daniel prophesied clearly that there was four
great world empires going to arise.

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There was the one at present, a thou, O King, art
that head of gold.

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And he was referring there to the dynasty of the
Babylonian Empire.

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Secondly, after Babylon came the Persian Empire.

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After the Medo-Persian Empire came the Greek
Empire.

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After the Greek Empire came the Roman Empire,
which divided to east and west.

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And after that came the Holy Roman Empire, the ten
toes of the great figure.

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So, Daniel was dealing with future.

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And don't worry about it.

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He wasn't a fortune teller, he was telling the
future.

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Christ told the future.

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We are not dealing with fortune telling, we are
dealing with heavenly prophecies, which all came

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true.

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Who was to know there was going to be four world
empires?

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Who was to know that these things were going to
happen, that Rome was going to divide in two?

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Who was to know that?

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With every scholarly book that has ever been
written about Daniel and Revelation, let me take

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you to another...

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Let me just tell you another thing.

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There are some of the greatest scholars, even if
they expound Daniel, and they take this view that

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I am putting forward.

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What about Professor Dick Wilson of Princeton, who
was one of the greatest scholars of his day?

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I mean, to write these people off and say, because
you believe in the Bible, and you believe that the

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Bible can tell you something that is going to
happen in the future, that is one of the tests, if

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it is the word of God.

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God knows what is going to happen in the future.

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I don't think that John should just write
everybody off.

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Neither should he.

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I am not prepared to write anybody off.

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I am prepared to say I have established an
historic view, and I am not seeking to defend it.

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Now let me take, if I may, another biblical view,
because it is important we go back to basic

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principles.

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In the New Testament, you have the idea of the
Antichrist being the person who denies that Jesus

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has come in the flesh.

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That is to say, the Antichrist being the denier of
the incarnation.

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Now, in this book by Mr. Wiley, rehashed by you,
there is the suggestion that the Roman Catholic

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Church doesn't believe in the incarnation.

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And that is surely rather far-fetched, isn't it?

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I think that if Mr. Bach read the book properly,
he would understand that the book is dealing with

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the doctrines of the New Testament, and putting
over against those doctrines of the New Testament,

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the doctrines of the Church of Rome.

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Every doctrine of Christianity has been taken by
the Church of Rome, and has been twisted and

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distorted by the Church of Rome.

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For instance, the Church of Rome's religion is not
today the religion of the father, it is the

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religion of the mother.

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And the Pope himself claims to be the Holy Father.

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But the Bible says that we are not to call in a
spiritual sense any man father, because one is

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your father.

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And the title Holy Father is given alone in the
New Testament to God the Father.

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So you take the incarnation, let's come to the
incarnation.

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I believe in the incarnation, and I believe in the
virgin birth.

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I don't know whether Mr. Bach does or not, but I
happen to do.

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And I would like to say to him, he knows perfectly
well that the Church of Rome takes a different

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view of Mary than the Reformed and Reformation
faith would take of Mary.

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Mary was not immaculately conceived.

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She was not without sin.

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In fact she said, I rejoice in God my Saviour.

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That is what we are trying to say, that their view
of the incarnation and their view of the virgin

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birth is entirely different from the view that we
would take.

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And we are entitled to do that.

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That is from her own books.

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But let's look at the claims of the Pope of Rome.

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Let's look at his claims.

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Let's take the ceremony off us, obviously.

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And here is, perhaps, John Ball would like to
dissociate himself from this too.

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This is one of the famous bishops of his own
church, Bishop Christopher Wordsworth.

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The cover is perfect.

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That is the only argument you can put, John.

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You are very short.

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And he also gives the full ceremony of the
crowning of the Pope.

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Take thou the tiara, adorned with the triple
crown, and know that thou art the father of

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princes and of kings, and the governor of the
world.

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Now that is what the Bible was talking about.

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I am not a theologian and I am no bibliophile.

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But I want to ask you, as someone who is neither
of those two, why does it matter, why should it

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matter to me whether or not the Pope is the
Antichrist?

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That is what I did not understand.

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Well, I can answer that very well.

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The Bible has warned us about what the Antichrist
is going to do.

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That he is going to deceive people.

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And that is exactly what the Pope is doing.

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One of the deceptions of Rome has been exposed
today.

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The fake of the Turin Shroud.

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And he has deceived the people.

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And we have seen that on every hand, the
deceptions.

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The Pope is not the Holy Father.

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There is only one Holy Father.

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He is not the representative of God on earth.

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He is not as the bishops of Ireland, 749, another
Christ.

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He is not that.

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No, he is not that.

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And a man who claims to be that.

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These are the claims of the Pope.

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I did not say that the Pope, that I said the Pope
said these are the official claims of the Pope.

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Well, if a man comes and claims these things, and
he is not these things, and I read the scripture

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that a man will come, and he will say these
things, and he will emphasize that, and the Bible

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warns us against that.

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Well, of course, this idea of some evil figure who
is going to come in the future.

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Some people have tried to take that out of Daniel
and Revelation, and not to take these books in

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their proper context.

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And, of course, it is not just the Pope who has
been accused.

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Over the crazy centuries, people thought it all
referred to Napoleon, or Hitler, or Stalin.

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And I believe that is every bit as ridiculous as
saying it refers to the papacy.

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Now, of course there is such a thing as evil.

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Of course there is such a thing as a force which
opposes Christ.

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And I think the only sensitive Christian thing to
do is to ask whether you and I, both of us,

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represent part of that ourselves.

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And the trouble with externalizing it, and saying
there is the Pope, or there is Napoleon, who is

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the personification of evil, is it means we do not
face up to the reality of evil in our own lives.

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But there is stuff in this, you know, which really
is deeply offensive.

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I mean, to talk about the papacy as devious and
diabolical, to say that the Pope stained the world

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with blood and peopled hell.

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I feel deeply sorry for Roman Catholic people who
listen to this, and I believe politically it is

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absolutely disastrous, because it makes the
intervention of the Irish Republic to help Roman

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Catholics seem justifiable.

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I do not think it is justifiable.

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But this book, frankly, does not make the cause of
the Union much easier.

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Well, I would like to say to Mr. Baum, is he
prepared to turn a blind eye to history?

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Let him just go down to any library and pull out
the Encyclopedia Britannica, and look up one

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reference, the Inquisition, and see just exactly
what the Church of Rome did do.

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And see what she is continuing to do in places
throughout the world.

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This idea that it is untrue to say that the Pope
did not shed innocent blood.

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Your own Bishop says in this book, your own
Bishop, Christopher Wordsworth, whom you could not

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question his scholarship.

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Another dated document, I see.

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It is not a dated document at all.

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Well, it is a pretty old thing, isn't it?

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Well, I mean, if you are saying, then, the Bible
is dated.

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No, I am saying the papacy has changed.

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That is the difference.

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Well, the papacy has not changed.

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The papacy itself says it has not changed, but
let's not get away from it.

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The Inquisition, let them read it in the
Encyclopedia Britannica.

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And then tell me, is it not so that the Roman
Catholic Church is responsible, and as drunk as

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the Bible says in Revelation 17, and as this
Bishop says in his book, with the blood of the

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martyrs of Jesus.

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Now, I want to tell you this, Mr. Bath, today,
that I am not here to be offensive to anybody.

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I am here to speak what I believe to be the truth.

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Yes, but what I don't understand...

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Many things have been said about me and people
that are offensive.

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They have to take them.

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It is my business to proclaim there is only one
Christ, and that is the Lord Jesus Christ.

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He is the sole King and Head of the Church.

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But if anybody else comes and says, I am another
Christ on earth, I am the way, the truth of the

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life, outside me there is no salvation for you.

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That man is acting in the way that the Bible says
he will act.

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Yes, but there is one thing that I don't
understand.

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There are many, many faiths throughout the world.

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There is Protestantism, Roman Catholicism, there
is Buddhism, Hinduism, etc., etc.

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There are many, many faiths that you would
question.

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What I don't quite understand is why you cannot
simply cleave to your own particular faith, which

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you believe in strongly, and stay with that and
not use words and deeds like Strasbourg, which

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many people find offensive.

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Well, let me say what I said in Strasbourg.

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I quoted the simple words of Archbishop Cranmer,
that I reject the Pope as Christ's enemy and as

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Antichrist with all his doctrines.

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Now, for doing that, Archbishop Cranmer, the first
Archbishop of Canterbury, was put to the fire and

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was burned.

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That's all I said.

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Now, that is a statement of my faith as well.

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I was not permitted, and I better put this on the
line, I was not permitted to have a discussion in

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Strasbourg, neither was the Parliament, whether we
should invite the Pope.

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I would have thought a democratic assembly, if
they were going to invite somebody, would have the

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opportunity to debate it.

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I would have said that in the debate.

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I would have moved that we would not have accepted
it.

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I would have cast my vote.

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I was never given that opportunity.

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And I want to say that that is an opportunity in a
Parliament like that, which is now divided the

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nations.

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Protestants are a very tiny minority in Europe, as
everybody knows.

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That's what should have been done.

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We were given that opportunity.

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But what was done to me was to try and silence me.

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Now, the table office themselves at Strasbourg
said that the President was wrong.

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And he has now admitted that he was wrong in
saying that he could silence me and keep me from

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speaking.

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I have a right under the rules.

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I have seen far worse protests than that.

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But my offense was that I said about the Pope,
because the Pope has to be treated as a special

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person.

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His claims are to be upheld, that he is Christ on
earth.

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I saw them scattering away to take down certain
decorations that the Pope didn't believe in and

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cover them up.

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And I had a terrible job.

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I had to fight to even get into my seat.

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To get into my seat they blocked the passageways
to keep me out of my seat.

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I just want to say this.

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It is my duty to state my views above board and
clearly.

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I have stated my views in this book.

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I hope people will read this book.

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And will see what I have said and the plain
teachings.

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And I have said nothing that is contrary to what
has been said by others.

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I want to bring in John Barclay.

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What do you think the impact of not just the book,
but the protest at the European Parliament.

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What will the impact be on Roman Catholic people
and people let's say in the Presbyterian and

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Church of Ireland?

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I think many of them will be deeply offended.

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Everybody knows about the Protestant Reformation
and the bloodshed and the bitterness.

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People also know that Roman Catholics were
martyred too.

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And I think every intelligent person wants to put
those sad days behind them.

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And what worries me most is the vast crowd, the
growing crowd of people who find all religion

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objectionable.

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Because they perceive that Christianity can only
exist by bringing up these old vitriolic debates.

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I want to put them behind us.

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And Rome made mistakes.

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Protestantism made mistakes.

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And I find in this book not only an attack on the
papacy.

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I find an attack on ecumenists who are told that
they reject the Bible, that they are deluded, that

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they are drugged by the satanic poison of Rome.

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Even Billy Grahams attacked in this book.

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As to atheists, they are apparently haters of our
Lord Jesus Christ.

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Now I'm very sympathetic to the person who is
atheistic.

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Because they cannot believe in a God who stirs up
and is responsible for hatred.

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And such people maybe have rather more moral gut
than those who are stirring up this hatred.

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Now, Mr. Paisley has been quoting to me from a
number of dated books.

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Let me offer him a simple quotation.

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It's rather more up to date.

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It is from the contemporary edition of the Oxford
Dictionary of the Christian Church.

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Where it says that the identification of the Pope
with the Antichrist has frequently been made,

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especially in the less educated circles of
Protestantism.

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Is the Oxford Dictionary right?

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Well, I want to say that the Oxford Dictionary
that says that indicts the whole Protestant

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communion.

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Because you have already stated that this was the
basic principles of Protestants.

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It's in their formulas.

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So if you want to say that the formula of your
church and the 39 articles which goes on, which

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would be offensive to Roman Catholics in regard to
the Mass.

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That the Mass was a blasphemous feeble and a
dangerous deceit.

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If you are prepared to say that these were drawn
up by ignorant men.

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You have an ignorant confession of faith on your
head.

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Be it if that's the sort of church you belong to.

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Let me say this to you today.

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What I have said in this book is entirely
scriptural.

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You have said nothing to me today.

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All you can say it is all dated.

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The Bible is dated.

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We go back to the foundation.

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The Bible is dated.

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Is the Bible true?

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Or is the Bible not true?

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And you have brought not one shred of evidence
today to say to me these prophecies.

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In fact you have laughed at the fact that the
Bible might be able to tell the future.

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I don't believe the Bible is about fortune
telling.

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You don't believe the Bible can tell the future.

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You don't believe that Jesus Christ and his
predictions were right.

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You don't believe that atheists are wrong.

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I want to say there is one way to heaven.

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And it's not by a Protestant church or a Roman
Catholic church.

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It is through Christ and through Christ alone.

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Neither is there salvation in any other.

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There is none other name...

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Listen, it's a strange thing you don't like what
the scriptures say.

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Neither is there salvation in any other.

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There is none other name under heaven given among
men whereby we must be saved.

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You know perfectly well that is not the doctrine
of the Church of Rome.

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You need a priest to perform baptism.

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To take away your original sin.

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You need the confession.

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You need all the sacraments of the Church.

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That's the machinery of the Church of Rome.

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Let me ask you a direct question.

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Do you ever discuss these views with Roman
Catholics?

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Yes.

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I'm beginning to think the difference between us
is that I enjoy talking to my Roman Catholic

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friends and finding out how they do interpret
these things which we did find offensive in the

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past today.

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I find massive changes.

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And I believe some kind of dialogue is the way
ahead.

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I talk to more Roman Catholics than Mr. Bach ever
talks to.

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I talk to them in my advice centers.

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I talk to them in the streets.

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I entertain them in my home.

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I know what Roman Catholics say.

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Let me tell you, I'm not talking about individual
Roman Catholic beliefs.

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I'm talking about what the Church teaches.

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What does the Church say?

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Not what some individual says.

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That's not the teaching of the Church, Mr. Bach.

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We have to leave it at that point.

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We've been flooded with telephone calls.

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I promise I'll bring them to you tomorrow.

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But as usual, the clock has beaten us.

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John Bach, it's been a pleasure.

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Thank you for joining us.

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Join us again on Talkback tomorrow, usual time,
after the news at noon.

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Goodbye.

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2 Thessalonians chapter 2 where we have in a few
verses the description given by the Holy Spirit

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through the lips of the Apostle of the coming man
of sin as he was in the days of Paul.

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Let no man deceive your verse 3 by any means for
that day shall not come.

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That is the day of the coming of the Lord Jesus
mentioned in verse 1 and the gathering together of

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God's people unto Him.

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Except there come a falling away first.

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Apostasy, a departure from the truth will precede
the second coming of Christ.

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And with that apostasy the man of sin will be
revealed the son of perdition who opposeth and

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exalted himself above all that is called God or
that is worshipped.

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He can't of course exalt himself above God but he
exalts himself in the falsehood of his religion

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above all that is called God or that is worshipped
so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God

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showing himself that he is God.

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The Antichrist's marks are the marks of a usurper.

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He usurps the place of God.

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He usurps the persons of the Godhead.

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And he usurps the power of God.

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And you go from one end of the earth to the other.

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And look for anyone who usurps the place of God
and the persons of the Godhead and the power of

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God.

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And you will only find those marks clearly,
distinctly, vividly portrayed and delineated in

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the Pope of Rome.

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If you go back to Daniel, you will find that
Daniel deals with a dynasty when he talks about

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the little horn.

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And the dynasty of the popes have all been the
same Cleomes.

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Of them Christ spoke in the gospel of Matthew.

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And he said, many would come, but they would all
say, I am the Christ.

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Many.

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That is the dynasty.

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The Cleome.

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I am the Christ.

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That is the individual Cleome of each possessor of
the people Tyre and the people Rome.

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We live in a day when the Reformation is almost
forgotten.

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We live in a day when the battle for the Bible is
almost forgotten.

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We live in a day when the church would like to
forget about its history.

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And when evil men would like to keep people from
knowing the truth.

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The great scheme of Rome is deception.

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And this portion of Scripture says, they will all
believe the lie.

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They will all believe the lie.

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As Christ is the truth.

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The empty Christ is the lie.

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And this week we saw something of the world
wanting to believe the lie.

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Last Lord's Day, as those that attend this house
regularly know, I was far from well.

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Maybe that is why they gave me this pillbox
tonight.

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My wife said to me, you will never make Strasbourg
if you are in the state of health you are in

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today.

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I said, dear, if I have to swim to Strasbourg, I
am going to be there.

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But last Sunday night, this congregation specially
prayed for me.

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And I want to give honor to the Lord that those
prayers were answered.

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And when I got up at five o'clock on Monday
morning, I was fresh and well and ready for the

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journey.

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My assistant, the Lord Mayor of this city,
Councillor Dodge, because of civic duties, was

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unable to go with me to Strasbourg.

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The Reverend David McElveen, a brother beloved,
took his place.

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I am glad the Lord always said, go two by two.

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For the company of a man of God and the fellowship
of a man of God and the times of prayer with a man

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of God are very precious, very comforting and very
encouraging in a time of battle and in a time of

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conflict.

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And I knew perfectly well that I was going into
the lion's den.

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And I knew perfectly well that when you touch the
papacy, you touch the very holiest of all of the

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system of Rome.

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I got to the first sitting of the house at five o
'clock on Monday.

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I had hardly taken my seat to Mr. Andrews, who is
a MEP from the Irish Republic.

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He is a member of Charlie Hockey's Finnafield
party.

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He is also a well-known drinker.

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They say in the Parliament he smells like a
brewery from eight o'clock in the morning.

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He is also the man that has advocated the
licensing of brothels in the city of Dublin.

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So you know the type of man Mr. Andrews is.

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He rose to his feet and he said, Mr. President, as
you know...

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I am reading from the official report, the Hansard
report of the European Assembly or Parliament.

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Mr. President, as you know, tomorrow we have the
great honor and distinction of receiving His

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Holiness Pope John Paul II.

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What measures have you taken to ensure that His
hearing is not disrupted by bigots who are

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inclined to disrupt such meetings?

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I refer, of course, to the previous interruptions
by Mr. Paisley of Mrs. Thatcher and Dr. Hillary,

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President of Ireland.

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Is there any way we can ensure that Mr. Paisley,
who is considered by many to be an institutional

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terrorist, does not get the floor tomorrow for
international publicity which would bring this

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house into disrepute?

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And there's a little note, applause from the
right.

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I rose and was eventually caught.

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I'm glad this is on the record because the press
in this country concealed the full remarks that I

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made for their own reason.

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But I'll come back to that in a minute or two.

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But here on the record is my statement of faith.

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Mr. President, under the rules of this house, I
think I am entitled to make a personal statement

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after the vicious attack that has been made upon
Protestantism and upon those who adhere to the

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principles of Protestantism both in this assembly
and in the whole of Europe.

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I came to this house, Mr. President, with the
votes of three times more people than the

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Honorable Member who made this vicious attack upon
me.

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I resent very deeply what he said about my
position.

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And I must say to him that perhaps he would like
to open an Inquisition torture chamber in this

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Parliament so that he could put on the rack those
who do not agree with him or with the claims of

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the Roman pontiff that will be received here
tomorrow.

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As a Protestant, Mr. President, I have no apology
to make for the attitude of Reformation

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Protestantism to the claims of the Pope of Rome.

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Another little note, loud protest.

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I totally and absolutely repudiate those claims.

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I do not believe that the Pope is infallible.

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I do not believe he is the sole representative of
Christ on earth.

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I do not believe he has the power to forgive sins.

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I do not believe that he has the power to change
the wafer into the body and blood of Christ.

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I totally and absolutely reject, in the name of
the Savior that I worship, the abominable claims,

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the idolatrous claims of the Roman pontiff.

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If this house is prepared to say to a Protestant
with convictions, you shall be silent tomorrow,

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then, Mr. President, upon your head be it.

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You never gave this house, or me, an opportunity
to discuss whether the Roman pontiff should be

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invited to this house.

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By not doing that, and giving this house a free,
open, and democratic discussion, you would try to

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silence those that object to your invitation.

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Mr. President, I will be here tomorrow.

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I will make whatever protest I feel I should make.

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And if this house wants to condemn me, and throw
me out, I shall be quite happy.

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I have no apology to make for my Protestantism.

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And I will never apologize to the Republicans from
the south of Ireland, who have destroyed the

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Protestant community in the south of Ireland.

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By this time, Mr. Andrews was in a speech
shouting, your hands drip with blood.

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I said when our island home was divided, there
were over ten percent Protestants in the Republic.

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Now there is only two percent.

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They are the eliminators of Protestants, and not
the Ulster Protestants, who have given every

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facility of liberty to the Roman Catholics in the
north of Ireland.

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Mr. President, Mr. Andrews is talking about blood.

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It is his church that has been responsible for the
torture and murder of millions in the Spanish

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Inquisition days.

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And well, he knows it.

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He need not read lessons to me as a Protestant.

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They then cut off the microphone.

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Well, I do not need a microphone, thank God.

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So I proceeded with my speech.

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But of course, that which is not on the microphone
is not recorded.

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The President then said, Mr. Pearsley, you have
said what you had to say about ten times.

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A very cheap remark, because I did not repeat
myself.

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The trouble with the President was, what I said
was too strong and was going right to the heart of

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the matter.

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Billy Sunday, the American evangelist, used to
say, when you hit the bull's eye, the bell rings.

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And all the bells were ringing in that assembly on
that occasion.

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Some of us show our Christianity in different
ways.

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You have been allowed to make a statement today.

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I want you to notice that statement.

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You are allowed.

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As if there is some grace and fever and
condescension to allow an elected member to speak,

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let me say, friend, that is what Europe is about.

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If you do not speak what they want you to say,
they will silence you.

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But I want to say, as long as the people of this
province send me to Europe, I will not be silent.

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I will speak what I believe with all my heart.

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I warn you, said the President, that tomorrow
morning we shall not be holding the usual

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parliamentary sitting.

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How could you have a usual parliamentary sitting
with the Pope and Ian Paisley in the same room at

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the same time?

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Anybody with a pinhead of brain between their ears
would know that.

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We did not need the President to tell us that.

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We shall be holding a formal sitting.

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You say that you will be quite happy if you are
removed from this house.

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And I assure you that in the formal sitting, this
will be the case.

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So before I was going to be permitted to speak, I
was to be turfed out.

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And then there is a little note, applause.

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And the house applauded.

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I went to the table at the front of the
Parliament.

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I spoke to one of the chief men of the
Secretariat.

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And I looked him straight in the eye.

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I said to him, there is the book of rules.

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Would you please show me under what rule and by
what authority the President can keep me from

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speaking tomorrow?

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And he smiled.

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And he said, you know as well as I know that he
has no authority and he has no rule.

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I said, of course I do.

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But I said, why do you not tell him that when he
is so ignorant or else deliberately ignorant?

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Maybe you would tell him.

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Well, he said, we will have a discussion and
perhaps we can talk in the morning.

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In the morning when I took my seat at nine o
'clock, the General Secretary of the Parliament

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and the top security officer of the house came
down to my desk.

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And they said, we would like to speak to you.

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And I stood up from the desk and went into one of
the corners of the building.

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And they said, you know we have a difficulty.

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I said, well I do not have any difficulty.

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You have a difficulty, that is your cup of tea,
not mine.

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I do not have any difficulty.

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I have come to speak and speak I must and speak I
will.

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Now, if any other member had called any other
member a terrorist, what would the President have

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done?

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He would have called him to order.

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I did not call him to order.

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You know why?

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Because it was a Protestant that was being
attacked and that suited the President that I

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should be attacked.

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I said, you do not have any rules.

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These are the rules of this assembly.

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Are you going to keep them?

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Now I said, if I was an Ulster where there is
still a little bit of freedom.

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You know where I would be this morning?

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I would be in the high courts looking for an
injunction to restrain the President breaking the

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laws of the Parliament.

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But I said, we do not have any democracy over
here.

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Well they said, could we not have a sort of low
key protest?

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Did you ever know of a low key protest when Ian
Paisley and the Pope were together?

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What would you think of such a suggestion?

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How stupid these people are.

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They do not understand that this is the battle of
the ages that we are engaged in.

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This is no Sunday school picnic or soiree.

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This is a battle for truth against the lie.

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The battle of heaven against hell.

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The battle of Christ against the Antichrist.

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Well I said, we will carry you out.

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Well I said, you will just have to do that.

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But before I am carried out, this assembly will
hear me.

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I went down to my room and Brother McElveen and
myself had a time of prayer.

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And I read those three Psalms that I expounded
this morning in the morning service.

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Psalm 46, Psalm 47 and Psalm 48.

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They would have to go to get us placed in the
public gallery.

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You know, God works out all things in His eternal
will.

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I went down in the morning to the desk.

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He went down first.

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He asked for a ticket to the gallery and they
said, they are all gone.

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A little French man said, you cannot get into the
gallery?

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They are all gone.

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I have a friend of mine who is pretty well placed
in the European Parliament.

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I went to him.

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I said, I need to have a ticket for David
McElveen.

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He said, there is plenty of seats.

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He said, you go down and put the pressure on them
and they will soon bend.

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So I went down to the desk.

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I produced my pass as a member.

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I threw it down.

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I said, this man must have a ticket.

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Oh, no, no.

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He has no tickets.

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What receipt taken?

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I said, don't give me that.

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I have proof from a security man in this house.

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There is plenty of seats.

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And he immediately took a card and wrote me out a
ticket and handed it to me.

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No seats.

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Of course there were.

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But Mr. McElveen was put beside the President's
wife, Libby Plum.

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And Libby Plum was speaking.

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She was sitting with a wife of another English
Tory MEP.

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And she said, you know, Henry is in a bad way.

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He shouldn't have done what he did with Ian
Paisley yesterday.

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He broke the rules.

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And he ought not to have made that statement.

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So there was from his own wife a confession that I
was in the right and he was in the wrong.

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But I was left in my room.

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And there seemed to be some commotion in the
courtyard outside my office.

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My office is on the first floor.

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And it is directly over the back door of the MEP's
suite of offices.

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And to my surprise, I saw a great cavalier of cars
coming.

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And it was the Pope coming in by the back door.

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Well, that was too good to be missed.

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So I opened my office window and I shouted as loud
as I could as he stepped from his car and was

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being received by the officials.

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Antichrist!

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It was like a bombshell.

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I immediately withdrew and closed the window and
sat at my desk.

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And I could see the people but they couldn't see
me.

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And they were silent and they were looking up.

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And they looked at every window in that office.

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But could they discern where that voice came from?

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The Pope scurried in like a little rat in through
the back door of the building.

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As I sat down at my desk, I was encouraged that
the weakest instrument can be strong if God stands

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with him.

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At half past eleven I left my office.

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And when I got to the stairway that leads up to
the section of the building that crosses over to

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the Parliament property, I discovered that the
Roman Catholic civil servants had all blocked the

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stairway so that I in no way could get to the
Parliament and take my seat.

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This of course was part of the policy.

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And I knew that if I didn't get through that way,
I would have to go to another lift, go on to

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another floor, and possibly would not get in in
time.

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So as I stood at the foot of the stairs and saw
this mass of people, there must have been at least

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a hundred people in a small stairway, cramming it,
maybe more than a hundred.

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I said, Ian, you have got to be a bulldozer.

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And I put my head down and I went through that
crowd, I tell you, as they were never pushed in

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their life.

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And they did their best to stop me.

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But I was determined to go through and I got
through.

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When I got to the top of the stairs, the security
stopped me and said, you cannot get in this way.

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I said, I am a member of the house, stand back, I
am going into this session.

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And so eventually, I got round to the chamber.

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The Pope, of course, came in.

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I stayed outside while he came in because I wasn't
going to either sit and be lost in the crowd that

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were standing, and I certainly wasn't going to
stand like Mr. Taylor and clap my hands like Mr.

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Taylor and receive him as a Christian, because the
Pope to me is the Antichrist, the man of sin and

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the son of perdition.

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Lord Plum, I stood outside the chamber.

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Lord Plum then gave his eulogy about the Pope and
a great welcome.

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And then the Pope stood to speak.

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And I said, it's now my opportunity.

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Now on my left-hand side in the European
Parliament, there sits the representative of the

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Basque terrorist movement.

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And on the other side of me, there sits a
Calvinist from Holland.

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So the Calvinist from Holland, he wouldn't come
in, or he wouldn't stand with me.

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The Basque terrorist, he wouldn't come in, for he
evidently doesn't like the Pope either.

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So I realized that I was given an opportunity to
block the way to anybody that was attacking me.

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So I took their chairs, and I pulled them out from
under their desks, and I built with their chairs

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and my own a nice semicircle where I could stand.

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One of the officials caught on what I was doing,
and he tried to shift them.

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I said, don't you put your hands on those chairs.

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Just you leave them.

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So that gave me a little bit of leeway.

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I wondered what I should say, and I was led off
the Lord, just to repeat the testimony of

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Archbishop Cranmer.

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Before Cranmer was pulled from the platform in
Oxford, and dragged down to the spot where Latimer

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and Ridley also were burned, he said, I refuse the
Pope as Christ's enemy and Antichrist with all his

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doctrine.

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So I stood there and quoted those great words of
Cranmer.

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I refuse you as Christ's enemy and Antichrist with
all your false doctrine.

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I have read in the book of the Revelation, the
power of the word of testimony.

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But I never realized what power was in a martyr's
testimony.

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For if I had brought a ton of explosives and let
them off in that assembly, it couldn't have had a

01:00:16.040 --> 01:00:16.840
greater effect.

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My, that assembly erupted, and the books started
to fly, and the punches started to be thrown, and

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the kicking started.

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But I held my place and maintained my testimony.

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There is no difference between Europe today and
Europe in Reformation times.

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I read again the story of Luther this afternoon at
the Diet of Worms.

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Who presided over the Diet of Worms?

01:00:57.800 --> 01:01:02.900
The Emperor Charles, head of the Holy Roman
Empire.

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Who was he?

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He was a Habsburg.

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It is interesting to note that one of the men that
was attacking me is the last of the Habsburgs.

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Otto Habsburg, the pretender to the crown of
Austria and Hungary.

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And there he was.

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I said, the Habsburgs are still lusting for
Protestant blood.

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They are still the same as they were in the days
of Luther.

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The members of the Roman Catholic Party of Mr. Le
Pen, of which John Taylor is a member, they were

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around me, battering away at me as hard as they
could.

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I have some little experience of protests.

01:01:52.960 --> 01:01:58.780
And I know if you go to protest and you are one
poster, it is not any good.

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Because of the tear it down, your protest is over.

01:02:03.120 --> 01:02:06.480
So I filled my pockets with posters.

01:02:06.480 --> 01:02:12.220
The little girl in the RTE said I was like a
conjurer.

01:02:12.860 --> 01:02:15.960
From every pocket I was bringing posters.

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And when one disappeared, a second one took its
place.

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When the second one disappeared, a third one took
its place.

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And with some exaggeration, she said I had posters
in every pocket.

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Well, I did not have them in every pocket.

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I had them in one pocket, for I knew if I had them
in their side pockets, they would tear them.

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So I had them buttoned here inside.

01:02:41.760 --> 01:02:47.720
And I had them folded in such a way that they
opened up almost simultaneously when I got them

01:02:47.720 --> 01:02:50.240
out of the pocket and got them up.

01:02:51.360 --> 01:02:54.080
Eventually, I was hauled out.

01:02:54.780 --> 01:03:02.640
The security men had allowed a vicious attack on a
member of the House.

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A violation of all the laws of the Parliament.

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And yet, the President never once rebuked anybody
who did the throwing of books, or the beating of

01:03:17.300 --> 01:03:22.560
this preacher, this member, or the attack upon me
physically.

01:03:22.560 --> 01:03:27.240
All he did was attack me for what I said.

01:03:27.860 --> 01:03:31.760
The security men, when they got out then, attacked
the press.

01:03:32.900 --> 01:03:37.480
And the BBC man got his equipment interfered with.

01:03:38.100 --> 01:03:45.000
One photographer almost got his camera smashed.

01:03:45.300 --> 01:03:46.340
They pulled it from him.

01:03:47.580 --> 01:03:55.140
There seemed to be a concerted effort that my
story would not be told.

01:03:55.920 --> 01:04:07.900
But I must say to you tonight that in spite of the
local press and the English press taking such a

01:04:07.900 --> 01:04:14.480
vicious stand against me in many of their
articles, that did not happen on the continent.

01:04:14.480 --> 01:04:25.840
My full appearance on Monday, and everything I
said that I have just read to you, was carried in

01:04:25.840 --> 01:04:29.280
full on French television.

01:04:29.800 --> 01:04:32.120
And translated faithfully.

01:04:33.700 --> 01:04:40.380
So much so that a leading Protestant in Strasbourg
rang me on Tuesday morning.

01:04:41.220 --> 01:04:42.580
He said, I am a Protestant.

01:04:42.580 --> 01:04:48.720
I have been contending for Protestantism in this
city for a long time.

01:04:49.520 --> 01:04:57.080
And he said, last night I was thrilled, Mr.
Paisley, on my television to hear your faithful

01:04:57.080 --> 01:04:59.300
testimony against the Pope.

01:04:59.780 --> 01:05:05.440
It has put heart and courage into the Protestants
of Strasbourg.

01:05:05.960 --> 01:05:08.940
We thank God for that testimony.

01:05:08.940 --> 01:05:18.360
And across the world, the banner, the poster, was
on the front page of every important national

01:05:18.360 --> 01:05:20.180
daily throughout the world.

01:05:20.900 --> 01:05:24.300
Our brother Dr. Leuthold was traveling up from
Jamaica.

01:05:25.140 --> 01:05:30.700
He had been down in the Caribbean in meetings, and
he was telling me on the phone the other day, he

01:05:30.700 --> 01:05:35.860
said that morning when I opened the paper there,
you were right on the front page with your banner.

01:05:35.860 --> 01:05:43.080
And he said the message was straight and clear and
plain.

01:05:44.380 --> 01:05:51.660
The amazing thing is that the local press, for
some reason or other, they did not want the

01:05:51.660 --> 01:05:52.700
message to get out.

01:05:54.760 --> 01:06:00.200
I issued a full statement at the end of the
protest.

01:06:01.160 --> 01:06:10.020
I pointed out that the IRA hunger strikers had
been tried and found guilty of multiple terrorist

01:06:10.020 --> 01:06:21.080
murders, had a special emissary from the Pope
arrived with golden crucifixes in order to comfort

01:06:21.080 --> 01:06:29.940
them, and that Mrs. Jures, the mother of Francis
Jures, one of the murderers, stated that her son

01:06:29.940 --> 01:06:41.000
was dying in confidence and peace because the Holy
Father had sent this tangible token of His support

01:06:41.000 --> 01:06:45.700
for the stand her son and his colleagues had
taken.

01:06:46.700 --> 01:06:51.600
British press ignored that, but the world press
did not.

01:06:51.940 --> 01:07:01.480
And the International Herald, which is an
American-based international paper produced across

01:07:01.480 --> 01:07:07.080
the world, my statement of that matter was corried
in full.

01:07:08.860 --> 01:07:16.340
The people realized that the Pope was saying one
thing in Europe, but over here he was saying a

01:07:16.340 --> 01:07:22.940
different thing, saying in Europe he is against
terrorists and then he is sending golden

01:07:22.940 --> 01:07:27.240
crucifixes to them when they are convicted of
murder.

01:07:28.180 --> 01:07:37.080
In this statement I pointed out that the claims of
the Pope are totally contrary to Holy Scripture.

01:07:37.800 --> 01:07:44.560
And he himself is prophesied of in the Bible as
the Antichrist.

01:07:45.340 --> 01:07:52.840
All the historic Reformation creeds spell this out
in the plainest possible language.

01:07:53.580 --> 01:08:01.080
He takes the title Holy Father, thus intruding
himself into the office of God the Father.

01:08:01.080 --> 01:08:08.260
The only person in Scripture entitled to be called
Holy Father is God the Father.

01:08:09.080 --> 01:08:16.140
He intrudes himself into the office of Christ,
claiming he is the sole representative of Christ

01:08:16.140 --> 01:08:24.920
on earth, and that there is no salvation for any
individual on earth except in submission to him.

01:08:24.920 --> 01:08:34.620
He intrudes himself into the office of the Holy
Spirit, who alone is the Vicar of Christ on earth.

01:08:35.680 --> 01:08:40.740
The Pope is a usurper, an imposter, and a liar.

01:08:41.600 --> 01:08:52.620
And in the name of the only true and living God, I
raise my voice against him, branding him as the

01:08:52.620 --> 01:08:53.440
Antichrist.

01:08:53.440 --> 01:09:01.760
These are the matters that are totally concealed
by our own press at home, and by the British

01:09:01.760 --> 01:09:02.520
press.

01:09:03.140 --> 01:09:09.960
I am not concerned about attacks made upon my
person.

01:09:10.680 --> 01:09:14.900
I am not concerned about what they say about me.

01:09:14.900 --> 01:09:25.040
But I must say I am concerned about what the Pope
says about the Son of God, and what he says he is

01:09:25.040 --> 01:09:27.880
when he is not.

01:09:29.140 --> 01:09:35.320
These things happen unto us for the furtherance of
the Gospel.

01:09:37.600 --> 01:09:43.900
The little book that I wrote on my holiday, this
phrasing, was a timely publication.

01:09:45.160 --> 01:09:54.260
I think one of the best fruits of this protest has
been the discussion I had with John Bath on

01:09:54.260 --> 01:09:57.840
Thursday in Talkback program.

01:09:58.520 --> 01:10:04.140
By the way, the recording studio has copies of
that on tape.

01:10:04.140 --> 01:10:11.180
And if you want to get a copy of that discussion,
you can get it on tape tonight before you leave

01:10:11.180 --> 01:10:12.200
the service.

01:10:14.080 --> 01:10:21.900
If the Lord ever helped a preacher, the Lord
helped me on Thursday morning.

01:10:22.680 --> 01:10:33.020
And I want to say that that message has been the
means of opening many, many people's eyes to what

01:10:33.020 --> 01:10:34.740
this controversy is about.

01:10:35.320 --> 01:10:41.360
In fact, I had a member of this church who is in
the teaching profession, and he told us the

01:10:41.360 --> 01:10:48.960
interesting story about a teaching colleague of
John Bath's in the University of Ulster, in

01:10:48.960 --> 01:10:49.540
Coleraine.

01:10:50.360 --> 01:10:57.480
And this priest was asked, well, did you hear Bath
and Paisley on the Talkback?

01:10:57.940 --> 01:10:58.820
He said, I did.

01:10:59.520 --> 01:11:01.480
He said, what did you think of it?

01:11:02.600 --> 01:11:05.160
Oh, well, he said Ian Paisley thrashed him.

01:11:05.920 --> 01:11:08.660
And he said, it was so interesting, I recorded it.

01:11:09.360 --> 01:11:15.600
And he says, I'm going into my class now, and
we're going to play it and listen to it again.

01:11:16.520 --> 01:11:26.400
I trust some seed of gospel truth will get into
that priest's heart, and I trust he will be led

01:11:26.400 --> 01:11:33.360
out of darkness into light, and from the power of
sin and sin unto God.

01:11:34.000 --> 01:11:41.360
Our friend Franco from Italy, who we haven't heard
from for some time because of the religious

01:11:41.360 --> 01:11:48.440
persecution he has been suffering, rang my wife
and said 50 ex-priests and himself were together

01:11:48.440 --> 01:11:51.380
having some study and prayer.

01:11:52.240 --> 01:11:57.500
And my message came through on Italian television.

01:11:58.200 --> 01:12:03.180
And he said, we all fell to our knees and gave the
Lord thanks.

01:12:03.180 --> 01:12:12.760
And he said, every week now our houses are
attacked, the windows are smashed, and we're under

01:12:12.760 --> 01:12:15.640
supreme and terrible persecution.

01:12:16.360 --> 01:12:25.200
And he said, how happy we were to see a brother
standing up and preaching against potpourri the

01:12:25.200 --> 01:12:26.840
way it ought to be preached against.

01:12:27.800 --> 01:12:33.760
I believe that this matter will happen for the
furtherance of the gospel.

01:12:34.280 --> 01:12:35.980
Let us pray that it will.

01:12:36.680 --> 01:12:46.380
And I trust that those who have been deceived by
ecumenism and Romanism, and those that still flirt

01:12:46.380 --> 01:12:53.780
in membership with churches within the World
Council of Churches, and the British Council of

01:12:53.780 --> 01:13:02.240
Churches and the ecumenical movement, will now at
long last take a stand for truth and for

01:13:02.240 --> 01:13:04.940
righteousness and for biblical freedom.

01:13:05.600 --> 01:13:13.360
This is the hour for the people of God to take a
stand in His name.

01:13:14.240 --> 01:13:19.880
I'd like to finish this message with the words of
C.

01:13:19.900 --> 01:13:20.100
H.

01:13:20.200 --> 01:13:20.600
Spurgeon.

01:13:20.600 --> 01:13:29.100
He said, it is the bounden duty of every Christian
to pray against Antichrist.

01:13:29.920 --> 01:13:38.240
And as to what Antichrist is, no sane man ought to
raise a question.

01:13:39.020 --> 01:13:47.360
If it be not the potpourri in the Church of Rome,
there is nothing in the world that can be called

01:13:47.360 --> 01:13:48.180
by that name.

01:13:48.180 --> 01:13:58.320
If there were to be issued a hue and a cry for
Antichrist, we would certainly take up this church

01:13:58.320 --> 01:13:59.220
on suspicion.

01:13:59.900 --> 01:14:07.500
And it would certainly not be let loose again, for
it so exactly answers the description.

01:14:07.500 --> 01:14:18.160
Potpourri is country to Christ's gospel, and is
the Antichrist, and we ought to pray against it.

01:14:18.760 --> 01:14:27.040
It should be the daily prayer of every believer,
that Antichrist might be hurled like a millstone

01:14:27.040 --> 01:14:28.160
into the flood.

01:14:31.380 --> 01:14:38.880
And Antichrist wounds Christ, because it robs
Christ of His glory.

01:14:39.620 --> 01:14:44.460
It puts sacramental efficacy in the place of His
atonement.

01:14:44.840 --> 01:14:53.640
It lifts a piece of bread into the place of the
Savior, and a few drops of water into the place of

01:14:53.640 --> 01:14:54.500
the Holy Ghost.

01:14:54.500 --> 01:15:02.200
And puts a mere fallible man, like ourselves, up
as a vicar of Christ on earth.

01:15:03.060 --> 01:15:13.380
If we pray against it, because it is against
Christ, we shall love the persons, though we hate

01:15:13.380 --> 01:15:14.120
their errors.

01:15:14.840 --> 01:15:20.600
We shall love their souls, though we loathe and
detest their dogmas.

01:15:20.600 --> 01:15:29.260
And so the breath of our prayers will be
sweetened, because we turn our faces toward Christ

01:15:29.260 --> 01:15:30.540
when we pray.

01:15:31.200 --> 01:15:35.940
I trust that every one of us will so order our
prayers.

01:15:36.680 --> 01:15:46.240
And if there be a Protestant in this house,
unconverted, let me say to you in love, but with

01:15:46.240 --> 01:15:48.700
the strength of God behind me.

01:15:48.700 --> 01:15:57.540
It will be more tolerable in the day of judgment
for a benighted, superstitious, priest-ridden

01:15:57.540 --> 01:15:59.420
Romanist than for you.

01:16:00.020 --> 01:16:02.120
You have the Bible in your hand.

01:16:02.840 --> 01:16:05.140
Christ is at your side tonight.

01:16:05.980 --> 01:16:10.620
You have refused Him and turned your back on Him.

01:16:10.620 --> 01:16:16.260
Oh, my dear Protestant hearer tonight, turn to
Christ.

01:16:17.000 --> 01:16:19.660
Receive Him this night as your Savior.

01:16:20.320 --> 01:16:22.840
Be born again of the Holy Spirit.

01:16:23.620 --> 01:16:30.360
And if there be some Roman Catholic with us
tonight, we are glad you have come to hear the

01:16:30.360 --> 01:16:31.640
truth of the gospel.

01:16:32.180 --> 01:16:36.480
And I implore you to turn away from your church.

01:16:36.480 --> 01:16:40.080
I don't ask you to turn to Protestantism.

01:16:40.640 --> 01:16:43.020
I ask you to turn to Jesus.

01:16:43.900 --> 01:16:45.980
He alone can save your soul.

01:16:46.620 --> 01:16:49.920
I am not going to heaven because I am a
Protestant.

01:16:50.460 --> 01:16:55.140
I am going to heaven because I am saved by the
grace of God.

01:16:55.500 --> 01:17:04.200
And it is because I am saved by the grace of God
that I protest the great truths of the Bible.

01:17:04.200 --> 01:17:09.720
And protest against all errors that are contrary
to those truths.

01:17:10.540 --> 01:17:13.240
Neither is there salvation in any other.

01:17:13.820 --> 01:17:20.800
There is none other name under heaven given among
men whereby we must be saved.

01:17:21.460 --> 01:17:25.180
Be saved this night in Jesus' name.

01:17:25.880 --> 01:17:26.700
May it be so.

01:17:27.100 --> 01:17:28.220
Let's bow our heads.

01:17:35.080 --> 01:17:38.440
So I felt very nervous to come here tonight just
to do this.

01:17:38.980 --> 01:17:41.020
And then I took courage just in thinking this.

01:17:41.440 --> 01:17:45.540
How did our minister feel when he was amongst the
enemies of the gospel?

01:17:46.180 --> 01:17:48.260
The enemies of Christ at Strasbourg this week.

01:17:48.820 --> 01:17:52.640
And you know just from the session and the
congregation of this church, we would like to

01:17:52.640 --> 01:17:58.120
present this little memento to Dr. Paisley for his
stand this past week against the Roman Antichrist

01:17:58.120 --> 01:18:00.700
and earnestly contending for the faith.

01:18:00.700 --> 01:18:05.800
We do pray that the Lord will continue to bless
him and strengthen him and give him grace in these

01:18:05.800 --> 01:18:09.780
days when so much of so-called Christendom is for
the Church of Rome.

01:18:10.340 --> 01:18:14.960
We thank God for our own minister who stands for
the gospel and the things of God.

01:18:15.040 --> 01:18:19.800
And we do pray that the Lord will continue to
strengthen him and bless him and do him good in

01:18:19.800 --> 01:18:20.340
these days.

01:18:20.760 --> 01:18:21.520
Dr. Paisley.

01:18:22.140 --> 01:18:22.440
Thank you.

01:18:24.540 --> 01:18:26.400
Am I supposed to open this, Morris?

01:18:26.520 --> 01:18:27.100
Yes, you can.

01:18:37.840 --> 01:18:39.480
Thank you very much, Morris.

01:18:40.340 --> 01:18:42.380
I hope you don't think I need pills.

01:18:45.050 --> 01:18:47.000
Thank you very much, Morris.

01:18:47.060 --> 01:18:48.460
I really appreciate that.

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01:20:08.320 --> 01:20:13.620
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01:20:13.620 --> 01:20:21.820
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01:20:21.820 --> 01:20:29.260
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01:20:29.260 --> 01:20:32.680
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01:20:32.940 --> 01:20:38.520
There is then no other argument needed to condemn
superstitions, than that they are not commanded by

01:20:38.520 --> 01:20:38.940
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01:20:39.480 --> 01:20:44.380
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01:20:44.380 --> 01:20:46.980
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01:20:47.560 --> 01:20:53.560
And if this principle was adopted by the Papists,
all those fictitious modes of worship, in which

01:20:53.560 --> 01:20:57.080
they absurdly exercise themselves, would fall to
the ground.

01:20:57.080 --> 01:21:03.060
It is indeed a horrible thing for the Papists to
seek to discharge their duties towards God, by

01:21:03.060 --> 01:21:04.840
performing their own superstitions.

01:21:05.600 --> 01:21:10.700
There is an immense number of them, as it is well
known, and as it manifestly appears.

01:21:11.320 --> 01:21:17.160
Were they to admit this principle, that we cannot
rightly worship God except by obeying his word,

01:21:17.640 --> 01:21:20.420
they would be delivered from their deep abyss of
error.

01:21:21.060 --> 01:21:23.420
The Prophet's words, then, are very important.

01:21:23.420 --> 01:21:29.720
When he says, that God had commanded no such
thing, and that it never came to his mind.

01:21:30.240 --> 01:21:36.360
As though he had said, that men assume too much
wisdom, when they devise what he never required,

01:21:36.860 --> 01:21:38.420
nay, what he never knew.