You know for many years the existence of dinosaur fossils was thought to be a
problem for creationists and for the biblical account of creation.
Hi, my name is Eric.
And what you are about to see is a powerful seminar that combines the last 30
years of research done by Dr. Hovind.
It's in a field called cryptozoology, which is the study of hidden animals.
The seminar is titled, Dinosaurs and the Bible.
Welcome to our third videotape, our session on Dinosaurs and the Bible.
And we'll just refresh for the folks that haven't been here yet.
This is not my wife.
That's just a picture of her.
We live in Pensacola, Florida.
We have three kids, all married and the dog died.
I made it.
I'm home free.
It's wonderful.
And all three of my kids work for me and two grandkids and more come in all the
time.
This fellow at National Geographic says, No human being has ever seen a live
dinosaur.
Well now, hold on just a minute.
Does he know that or does he think that?
He thinks that.
There's no way anybody can know that unless they talk to everybody that ever
lived.
Did he talk to you before he wrote that?
Did he talk to Adam and Eve before he wrote that?
I doubt it.
He says nobody's ever seen one.
He might believe that, but that's not part of science, folks.
The Bible says in the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
And the Bible says pretty clearly in Exodus 20, in six days the Lord made
heaven and earth, the sea and all that in them is.
What do you suppose he meant by that?
He wrote that on a rock with his finger.
That's part of the Ten Commandments.
It looks to me like he's trying to tell us that he made it all in six days,
which means Adam must have seen dinosaurs.
The Bible says there was no death until Adam sinned.
Your textbook says dinosaurs died before man got here.
Somebody is seriously wrong.
We're going to discuss today who it is.
In the last session we talked about what the Garden of Eden was like.
The Bible says when God made the world, He said, let there be a firmament in the
midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
There used to be a layer of water above the atmosphere.
Some people think it was ice.
I don't know if it's solid liquid or gas.
I don't know.
Water comes in three flavors.
But somehow there was water up there.
How it was up there, I don't know.
The Bible says it was, and I believe that.
I think there are some reasonable theories of how it might have been up there.
It could have been ice suspended by the magnetic field of the earth.
That's one theory.
But the Bible says there was water above the firmament.
Also the Bible says most of the water that's now in the oceans used to be under
the crust of the earth.
If you read Psalm 24, it says the earth is the Lord's.
He founded it upon the seas and established it upon the floods.
Psalm 136, He stretched out the earth above the waters.
Most of the water that's now on the surface, oceans, used to be in the crust.
Big subterranean water chambers.
I think when Adam and Eve were here the world was mostly land and a small
percentage of water.
Today it's 70% water and mostly land.
And even that land that we have is only 3% habitable for mankind.
3% of the world's surface is habitable for mankind.
Most of it is ice caps, deserts, under water.
God designed it to be inhabited.
What we see today is a junkyard compared to what Adam and Eve saw.
So there was water under the crust of the earth.
That water that used to be under the crust came shooting to the surface when the
fountains of the deep broke open.
So from the creation up until the flood things were very different.
During that time everything lived over 900 years.
You could learn a lot in 900 years.
Did you know that Adam spoke every language in the world?
There was only one, but he spoke it.
Reptiles never stop growing.
It's just a simple biological fact.
Reptiles grow all their life.
People stop growing.
When you are 16 or 18 you are going to quit growing.
At least vertically.
Some go horizontally afterwards.
But reptiles never stop growing.
Now what would happen to a reptile if you put him in the Garden of Eden and let him
live to be 900 years old?
You'd have a big lizard, a really big lizard.
Dinosaurs were giant reptiles that lived with Adam and Eve before the flood.
They did not live millions of years ago.
They were pre-flood, not prehistoric.
So if this is all true, did Noah take dinosaurs on the Ark?
They asked Billy Graham, were there dinosaurs on Noah's Ark?
He said, no, apparently not.
Noah's Ark did not include dinosaurs because they were extinct before man got
here.
Oh, Billy, now you have got death before sin.
I love Billy Graham.
Praise God for the good he has done.
But folks, he is wrong about that one.
Dinosaurs on the Ark?
Man, I hope he kept the woodpeckers in a steel cage of some kind.
Some people say, what do you mean dinosaurs on the Ark?
They are kind of big, aren't they?
Well, the big ones were big, but the little ones were little.
And Noah was 600 years old when he built that boat.
I just bet he was smart enough to figure out you do not have to bring the biggest
ones you can find.
Bring two babies.
Just be sure to get a pink one and a blue one.
That will be important later.
There are all kinds of reasons for bringing babies on the Ark.
You bring babies because they are smaller.
The biggest dinosaur egg ever found is smaller than a football.
You bring babies because they weigh less.
They eat less.
They sleep a lot more.
They are tougher.
Kids fall down and bounce and get up and keep running.
Adults fall down and break or lay there for a while.
Plus you bring babies because after the flood they are going to live longer to
produce more offspring and that is why you are bringing them.
So it makes common sense to bring babies.
Why would you bring big elephants on the Ark?
Why bring big giraffes?
Bring babies.
Hello?
Plus he only had to bring two of every sort.
Not two of every single variety.
Just two of the basic kinds of animals.
He said in Genesis 7, bring them after their kind, after their kind, after their
kind, after their kind.
I mean the Bible is pretty clear.
There was the basic kinds of animals and only those in whose nostrils was the
breath of life.
And only those on dry land.
Noah did not have to bring any fish on the Ark.
They had plenty of water outside.
He also did not have to bring any bugs on the Ark because bugs do not have nostrils.
They breathe through their skin, through spiracles.
Hey, bugs can survive a flood just fine.
On floating log mats or floating dead carcasses or something or burrow in the
mud.
Go any place where there has been a flood.
After the water runs off, walk out into the mud and tell me the first thing you
notice.
Bugs bite a gazillions, right?
Noah brought two of the basic kinds of animals on the Ark.
Noah probably never saw a chihuahua in his life.
He just brought generic dogs like our dog Nicky.
We had Nicky for 12 years before we even knew what kind he was.
A friend of mine came to my house one day and said, Oh hey, Brother Hovind,
you have a canardly.
I said, A what?
He said, Your dog, that is a canardly.
I said, Really?
He said, Yeah, look at it.
You can already tell what kind of dog it is.
How many of you have a full blooded canardly at home?
There we go.
So just generic animals.
This Mexican textbook says the horse and the zebra had a common ancestor.
I agree.
And it looked like a horse.
Four wheel drive, genuine leather upholstery, all the standard equipment.
It was a horse kind of animal.
So the basic kinds that were on the Ark.
Not every species.
Skeptics will say, How did he fit those millions of animals on that little bitty
boat?
Now hold on just a minute.
He only brought the land animals.
Bring those with nostrils, no bugs.
Bring babies, that is common sense.
Bring two of each kind.
Not every single species or variety.
Plus, how many were there?
Many experts will tell you there are about 8,000 basic kinds of animals in the world.
Just basic kinds of animals.
I talk pretty fast.
I can get going 300 words a minute when I get excited.
But did you know if you just talk 60 words per minute, you could name all 8,000
animals in a little over two hours.
Some people say, Adam couldn't name all the animals in one day.
Are you kidding?
You can name them in about an hour.
Dog kind, cat kind, hippo kind, giraffe kind, elephant kind.
Plus Adam had an IQ of who knows what.
I mean he came pre-programmed straight from the hand of God.
He could walk, talk, name the animals and get married all first day.
Really smart fellow.
Plus, how big was the Ark?
The atheists will say, he couldn't put those animals on the Ark.
And I say, really, how many were there?
They say, we don't know.
Oh, well how big was the Ark?
They'll say, well, we don't know.
All we know is he couldn't do it.
Oh, I see.
Is that the way this works?
Yeah.
Well, beats what they believe.
They believe 18 or 20 billion years ago, nothing exploded in the Big Bang and made
everything.
And then 4.6 billion years ago, the Earth cooled down and a rocky surface
was created.
Yes, boys and girls, the planet Earth cooled and a rocky surface was created.
This is what the textbooks teach.
And as Earth formed, it was like the moon.
It was hot and there were large pools of bubbling lava.
But slowly, rocks absorbed the oxygen.
Notice this textbook says, the percentage of oxygen was zero, but the rocks absorbed
it.
I wondered about that when I said, that's a college textbook.
Yeah, there was nothing there, but they absorbed it all, right?
So the rocks absorbed the oxygen and then it began to rain on the rocks.
Oh man, oceans formed as it rained for millions of years.
Millions of years of torrential rains created great oceans.
And swirling in the waters of the oceans is a bubbling broth of complex chemicals.
Progress from a complex chemical soup to a living organism is very slow.
Boy, I guess it is.
It's totally stopped.
Doesn't even happen.
That's how slow it is.
This book says, the first self-replicating systems must have emerged in this organic
soup.
So their theory says, 20 billion years ago, big bang.
4.6 billion years ago, the earth cooled down.
It rained on the rocks for millions of years, turned them into soup, and the soup
came alive 3 billion years ago.
And that first life form found somebody to marry.
Now there's a good trick.
And something to eat, of course.
And slowly evolved into everything we see today.
So great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandpa was
soup.
They asked me to speak at this college in Boston one time.
They said, you can speak to our students if our professors can ask you any
questions they want.
Because we like to show the students how dumb you Christians really are.
I said, I would be honored to come for that.
So I got there and there were six professors and all their students in the
room.
I felt like Daniel in the lion's den.
I said, folks, I've got my charts out here.
And I said, I believe the Bible.
The Bible says God made everything 6,000 years ago.
4,400 years ago there was a big flood.
It destroyed the world.
Noah saved two of each kind.
Not every species, just the basic kinds on the ark.
Now since then there's been a whole lot of varieties produced.
You know, big dogs, little dogs, curly hair, straight hair.
No question.
But just basic kinds on the ark.
And then I told them what they believe.
Because most of them don't know what they believe.
You've got to tell them.
You guys believe 20 billion years ago, a big bang.
4.6 billion years ago the earth cooled down.
It rained on the rocks for millions of years.
Turned them into soup and the soup came alive 3 billion years ago.
One professor was getting kind of upset about that time.
He said, Hovind, do you realize there are hundreds of varieties of dogs in the
world?
I said, yes sir, there's a bunch.
He said, do you mean to tell me that all those dogs came from only two dogs on
Noah's ark?
Do you expect me to believe that?
I said, sir, would you look at what you're teaching your students?
You're teaching your students that all the dogs in the world came from a rock.
He didn't have any more questions after that.
I was in a debate one time and afterwards this lady came up to me and she said,
she was obviously upset.
She said, tonight you said that we believe we come from a rock.
We do not believe that.
I said, ma'am, just calm down.
You're about to blow a gasket.
I said, ma'am, do you believe in evolution?
She said, yes, I do.
I'm a professor here at the university.
I said, okay, then tell me, where did we come from?
She said, we came from a macromolecule.
I said, and where did that come from?
She said, from the oceans, from the prebiotic soup.
I said, where did that come from?
She said, well, it rained on the rocks for millions of years.
It was so cool.
You could see it was slowly dawning on her.
You know, I do believe I come from a rock, don't I?
Yes, ma'am, you certainly do.
Yeah, I found her life verse.
Saying to a stock, thou art my father.
To a stone, thou hast brought me forth.
There's grandpa.
Yep.
I found my daddy's life verse.
Lord have mercy on my son, for he is a lunatic and sore vexed.
Anyway, the Bible says the earth was filled with violence.
Everybody was wicked.
All flesh had corrupted his way.
Everything was corrupt.
And God said to Noah, the end of all flesh has come before me.
The earth is filled with violence through them.
Behold, I will destroy them with the earth.
Make thee an ark.
And so Noah said to his boys, boys, go for wood.
We've got to build a boat.
And so they went and got all this wood, and they built this big boat.
Now after the flood was over, Noah's son had a son and named him Arphaxad.
Why would anybody name a kid Arphaxad?
Can't you see that kid in kindergarten?
What's your name, Arphaxad?
You know how to spell it?
No?
Nobody does.
Don't you think one day little Arphaxad is getting big enough, he's sitting on
grandpa's lap like kids do, and he looks around and he says, hey grandpa,
I have a question.
How come we're the only people in the whole world?
Where is everybody?
Eventually that thought is going to cross his mind, and grandpa is going to tell him
the story about the flood.
Actually, his daddy is going to live long enough to tell that story to Abraham,
Isaac, and Jacob.
They lived a long time back there folks, right after the flood.
And today there are 270 surviving flood legends.
They're still telling the story about the flood in many cultures that have never
heard of the Bible.
You know the Hawaiians had a legend that said, long after the death of Kunihana,
the first man, the world became a wicked, terrible place to live.
There was one good man left.
His name was Nu'u.
He made a great canoe with a house on it and filled it with animals.
The waters came up over all the earth and killed all the people.
Only Nu'u and his family were saved.
Interesting.
One family saved in a giant canoe.
That sounds kind of like the Bible story, doesn't it?
The Chinese have a story called the Haiqing Classic.
It's one of the oldest stories in the world.
It says the father of their civilization is a guy named Fuhai.
The story says, Fuhai, his wife, three sons, and three daughters escaped a
great flood.
After the flood, they were the only people alive on earth.
And they repopulated the world.
That sounds kind of like the Bible story too, doesn't it?
The Tolec Indians in Mexico have a legend that says, the first world lasted 1,716
years and was destroyed by a flood that covered the highest mountains.
Only one family named Coxcox survived.
1,716 years.
Well, you know, the Bible dates add up to 1,656.
But that's not bad for a legend four thousand years old.
I just suspect maybe even the Atlantis story is another flood legend.
As far as the people on the ark were concerned, the whole world sank beneath
the waves.
Why would there be 270 surviving flood legends today?
Oh, I think it's because there was a flood.
That's my theory.
It's not too complicated.
If you look at the country of Turkey, on the far right-hand side there's a
mountain called Mount Ararat.
On a Turkish map, this is called Noah-on-Gumshi, which means Noah's Big
Boat.
They've got signs, you drive right up to it.
This way to Noah's Big Boat.
Five kilometers.
The Bible says the ark rested in the seventh month.
Now that's interesting.
Some of the skeptics will say, Noah, the flood lasted a year.
The flood didn't last a year.
Noah was in the ark for a year.
But parts of the ground were probably only underwater for a few weeks or a few
months, just long enough to drown everybody.
The ark actually hit bottom in the seventh month.
Now why didn't he get out until the 13th month?
We cover all that on video number 6, all the reasons why he stayed in the ark.
The Bible says the ark rested in the seventh month upon the mountains,
plural, mountains of Ararat.
The Bible does not say the ark landed on Mount Ararat.
It could have, I don't know, but it doesn't say that.
There are at least four theories of what happened to Noah's ark.
Some people say they took it apart and used the lumber for buildings.
After all, when Noah got off the ark, how big were the trees outside?
About this big, right?
Pretty tough to build a house out of.
Some people say it rotted.
It fell apart.
It's gone.
Could be.
Some people say it's still on the mountain.
And they're always going over there looking for it.
And they always come back and say, boy, we just almost found it.
We'll try again next year.
And it could be.
I don't know.
Other people think it's not even on the mountain.
It's down in the valley.
Those who think it's on the mountain go over there looking for it.
And they always say, it could be here, it could be here, it could be here.
And they're always looking for it.
And I'm not against that at all.
But I'm just telling you, there's no absolute scientific proof that it's even
on the mountain.
Other folks think it's not even there.
They think it's down in the valley.
Because the chances of something landing on a mountain as the mountains are rising
or the water's running off, the chances are close to zero.
Try it in a bathtub.
Bring something up under a floating object.
It'll float off to the side.
It's more likely to land in what's called a nested area between a bunch of mountains
and the water can slowly drain off.
Many people think that the 1960 photograph showed a boat-shaped object that could
have been Noah's Ark.
As they examined it, then in 1978, an earthquake lifted it up out of the
ground or the ground fell away or whatever happened.
It's now sticking up out of the ground about 10 feet or 15 feet.
They think that's Noah's Ark.
Right there, that boat-shaped object.
I've had people tell me, that's not Noah's Ark because when mud flows around an
object it makes a teardrop shape.
Well, I understand that.
I taught physics.
I know how that works.
At the front end of an airplane wing is rounded, the back end is pointed.
But this one is facing backwards.
There are two more teardrop shapes like that, but the round end is uphill.
On this one the pointed end is uphill.
This is not a mud flow.
Many folks think that's Noah's Ark.
I knew Ron Wyatt.
He died in 1999, but he was a good friend of mine.
We differed on quite a few little things, but he was a good guy.
He loved the Lord.
He and many other folks thought that was Noah's Ark.
They did a lot of studies on that and said, yeah, we think that's the Ark.
They say it collapsed on itself, folded out to the side, with ground
penetrating radar.
They found what they said were deck timbers in there.
They found iron rivets that bolted this thing together.
They've got some in the museum south of Nashville.
I've held the rivets in my hand.
Go to Cornersville, Tennessee.
As soon as you get off the interstate, there is an old abandoned gas station,
or converted gas station right there, into the museum about Noah's Ark.
The government of Turkey said, yep, that's Noah's Ark down in the valley.
They built a visitor center.
Now, there have been some creationist organizations that say, no, it's not
Noah's Ark, and we don't like you because you even say it might be.
OK, I'm sorry.
If I ever start working for you, I'll do what you say.
But meanwhile, I'm going to tell folks, I think it's a possibility that it could
be Noah's Ark.
The Bible says the Ark will be 300 cubits long.
Now, a cubit is elbow to fingertip.
I'm 6'1", my cubit is 21 inches.
The standard Hebrew cubit was 18 inches.
The standard Egyptian cubit is 20.6.
That boat-shaped object is 20.6 inches times 300, or 515 feet long.
So that doesn't prove it's Noah's Ark, but it could be.
It's in the right place, it's about the right shape, and it's about the right
length.
It's about two-thirds the size of the Titanic.
Makes it about almost two football fields long.
Pretty good-sized boat.
In that region, they found 12 big rocks that weigh about 9,000 pounds apiece.
These rocks have holes in the top.
Apparently, that hole was to hold a rope.
And this rock was held over the side of the boat.
10 or 12, or who knows how many.
They found 12, could have been more.
That's called a drogestone.
If you hang a bunch of rocks all around the boat, the boat becomes more stable
during stormy weather.
It's like a whole bunch of shock absorbers to keep the boat flat, you know,
to keep your platform flat.
If it really gets windy, they'll drag behind you and it turns the boat
perpendicular to the waves.
Now you can't roll over, capsize.
That's real dangerous in high seas.
One atheist wrote me a letter and said, Hovind, I heard your seminar about Noah's
Ark having rocks hanging all over the side.
He said, you are so stupid.
Don't you know if he had rocks hanging all over the boat, it would slow him down?
I wrote back and said, where was he going?
He's not trying to go anywhere.
He's just trying to float.
And I'm stupid, yeah.
I debated a former preacher who turned atheist.
And he said, you can't build a boat more than three hundred feet long because it'll
break going over the waves.
He said, they built a ship one time that had six masts, you know, a six master.
And it twisted the boat so bad it leaked all the time, they finally had to give it
up.
Noah's Ark didn't have any masts, hello.
It's designed to float, not to sail.
Probably a big barge of some kind, I don't know.
He said, when the waves come up, it bends and breaks in the middle.
Well, a lot of boats over three hundred feet long have been built out of wood and
survived.
The Chinese had some really big ones many years ago, out of wood.
Plus, if you put a moon pool in the boat, that solves the problem.
A moon pool is a hole in the floor with walls up on the inside, of course,
so the boat doesn't sink.
And as you go over the waves, this relieves the stress.
Now the water actually comes up inside the boat part way.
A moon pool is a pretty cool idea.
As the water goes up and down in that hole, it would be relieving the stress.
It's a great place to dump your garbage too, by the way, inside the boat,
out of the rain.
Thirdly, it acts like a giant piston to pump fresh air in and out of the boat,
every time you hit a wave.
Remember what he had in the basement?
You might pray for a good wave once in a while.
So anyway, when the dinosaurs got off the Ark, what happened to them?
If the Bible story is true, as I say that it is, Noah had to have dinosaurs on the
Ark so what happened to them?
What made the dinosaurs go extinct?
That's a question they are always asking the kids in school.
There are at least 16 theories floating around the textbooks.
They'll say, kids, maybe a meteor struck the Yucatan Peninsula 65 million years
ago.
Well, another guy from Indiana has got a cool theory.
He says the dinosaurs killed themselves off with their own flatulence.
He said they couldn't stand the heat.
I don't know what to do about a theory like that.
But what made the dinosaurs go extinct?
Hey, they are asking the wrong question.
The question is not what made them go extinct.
The question is, did they go extinct?
You know, the liberals are really good at getting us to argue about the wrong topic.
They are always asking me, should we teach creation in public schools?
I say that is a good question and I would be glad to discuss it.
However, there is another question we need to ask first.
Should we have public schools?
Now, let's ask that one first.
I praise God for the good, godly public school teachers.
My mother was a public school teacher and retired.
My brother is in his 34th year teaching public school.
He led me to the Lord.
There are many good, godly public school teachers, okay?
But folks, the books they work from, the curriculum, is corrupt.
Unfixable, I think.
If you love your kids, and you possibly can, get them out.
I don't think it is fixable.
Praise God for the good teachers who are going to slug it out in there.
And I am for you, and I want to help.
Okay, but I don't think it is fixable.
Bottom line, if you want to find out why we have a public school system,
our 10th Amendment to the Constitution says the federal government has no
business being involved in education.
But we have a public school system as part of a bigger, long-range plan toward a new
world order.
That is Karl Marx's idea, Communist Manifesto Plank No.
10, free public education.
We will cover more on that on Seminar Part 5, and also on our college class,
CSE 102.
You don't want to watch that one.
That is politically incorrect.
Anyway, when the dinosaurs got off the ark, they faced a very hostile climate.
Things had changed.
Remember before the flood, they lived over 900 years?
After the flood, only 400, and then 200, and then 100.
Something changed after the flood, folks.
The canopy of water that used to protect them was gone.
And you are not going to make it to 100, or 200 for sure.
You might make it to 100, but you won't make it to 200.
Not in this world.
Dinosaurs had two serious problems after the flood.
Number one, the climate was a lot different.
They just couldn't live long enough to get big enough to reproduce in many cases.
So some species probably went extinct in the first few generations.
Second problem, I think, was worse.
People hunted them.
Back in those days, they called them dragons.
They didn't call them dinosaur, because the word dinosaur wasn't made up
until 1841.
So for most of human history, they called them dragons.
Dragons are mentioned in the Bible 35 times.
And as the population began to grow after the flood, the population of dragons began
to go down, because nobody wants to live next door to a dragon.
The same thing happened right here in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
How many grizzly bears are roaming loose in the woods in this county right here?
Zero, right?
How many grizzly bears were roaming around the Milwaukee area 500 years ago?
Probably a whole bunch of them.
Well, what happened?
As people move in and civilize an area, the big, ferocious creatures are driven
off or killed off.
It happens all the time.
If it came on the evening news tonight that there were five grizzly bears roaming
around Milwaukee, Wisconsin, do you know what would happen by six o'clock in the
morning?
Every redneck in four counties would be out there with a rifle trying to shoot
them.
Right?
And whoever could shoot the biggest one would be a hero.
They'd put his picture in the paper.
Hey, Bubba shot the grizzly bear and saved the village.
That's exactly what would happen.
Well, that's what happened to the dragons.
Man, if you could figure out a way to kill a dragon, you'd be a hero.
They'd tell stories about you around the campfire for generations to come.
And there are thousands of stories of people killing dragons.
They killed them off for meat.
There'd be a lot of hamburger and one brachiosaurus.
They killed them for medicine.
It's amazing how many ancient recipes call for dragon bones to be ground up and put
in with the medicine.
Lots of legends tell of people killing dragons.
Gilgamesh supposedly slew a dragon.
A Chinese guy named Yu slew dragons that were bothering them as they tried to
expand the territory and drain off the swamps and make the land of China livable
again.
They had to drive off the snakes and dragons.
The Babylonian god Marduk is shown pictured on top of a dragon.
Possibly a fire-breathing dragon.
You say, oh, you don't believe in fire-breathing dragons, do you?
Oh, yeah.
Bible talks about a fiery flying serpent.
Book of Job has a whole chapter, Job 41, about Leviathan, the
fire-breathing dragon.
It says, Out of his mouth go burning lamps, and sparks of fire leap out.
Out of his nostrils go a smoke.
I've seen deacons do that at Southern Baptist churches.
As out of a seething pot or cauldron, his breath kindleth coals, and a flame
goeth out of his mouth.
There really was a fire-breathing dragon.
In our green series of tapes, the topical ones, we've got a whole tape out there,
an hour and a half, about Leviathan, the fire-breathing dragon.
If you get a Catholic Bible, you find the book of Daniel has two extra chapters.
Daniel 13 and 14.
It's part of the apocryphal books.
It shouldn't be in Scripture.
It's interesting reading, but it's not part of Scripture.
It says, There was a great dragon in the place, and the Babylonians worshipped him.
And the king said to Daniel, Behold, thou canst not say now that this is not a
living God.
Adore him therefore.
And Daniel said, I adore the Lord my God, for he is the living God, but that is no
living God.
But give me leave, it means give me permission, O king, and I will kill this
dragon without sword or club.
And the king said, I give thee leave.
Then Daniel took pitch, and fat, and hair, and boiled them together,
and made lumps, and put them into the dragon's mouth.
And the dragon burst asunder.
What a strange story.
Let me give you the Hovind translation of what's going on here.
The Bible tells us Daniel was a man who understood science.
He knew full well that pitch is made from tree sap, and it's very sticky.
They used to have whole industries in America just making pitch to use to
waterproof ships.
They would coat them with pitch made from tree sap, particularly pine.
And fat is very salty tasting, and just about all animals like salty
tasting things.
Hunters put out salt licks for the deer, right?
Or cat cattle have like salt licks.
And hair won't digest.
He mixed them all together, tossed them in.
The dragon liked the taste, swallowed them, but they wouldn't digest.
And these were the days before Roto-Rooter, and so he burst asunder.
You figure it out.
Anyway, so now I'm insane.
Now, Hussein thinks he is Nebuchadnezzar reincarnated.
The guy has a serious ego problem.
He thinks he is Nebuchadnezzar brought back to life.
By the way, did you ever notice George Bush always called him Saddam Hussein?
There's a reason for that.
I've been told anyway the word Saddam means prince.
Saddam, spelled the same way, means horse's rear end.
But Saddam thinks he is Nebuchadnezzar reincarnated.
He's got his picture in front of Nebuchadnezzar on their currency over
there, their gold coins.
He spent a fortune rebuilding the ancient city of Babylon.
Did you know ancient Babylon has been rebuilt?
They always knew where the city was.
It was destroyed about 600 BC.
But when Babylon was just buried in the sand, forget about it, they dug it out.
And the sand had really preserved the bricks extremely well.
The old brick walls of the ancient city of Babylon were very well preserved in the
dry sand over there.
And they found carvings of lions and carvings of dragons.
Now, how did they know about dragons in 600 BC?
Well, that had been almost 2,000 years since the flood.
So from the flood up until Nebuchadnezzar reign is 1,800 years.
Probably most dinosaurs were gone by then.
But I think a few were still around.
And he had one in a cage, apparently.
In 300 BC, Alexander the Great reported his soldiers were scared by dragons when
they conquered part of India.
This Roman mosaic was made in the 2nd century after Christ.
It shows two long-necked dragons fighting or kissing.
Boy, that would be necking, wouldn't it?
Wow.
Anyway, how did the Romans know about dragons in the 2nd century after Christ?
St. George is famous for slaying dragons in 275 AD.
He finally got killed because he was a Christian.
Beowulf slew dragons.
You ought to try to read the Beowulf story in Old English.
We sell the book only because it's such interesting reading.
The Old English is, I think, impossible to read.
That's English, folks, from 1,500 years ago.
Our language has changed a little bit, okay?
Probably the peak of the English language was about 400 years ago when Shakespeare
and God chose to make the King James and all that stuff about that time.
About the peak of the English language.
But the Beowulf story says Beowulf killed Grendel the dragon by pulling off one of
its arms, and the creature bled to death.
Strange story.
You know, they found a Babylonian cylinder seal showing a guy pulling the arm off a
dragon.
There are dragon legends from countries all over the world.
Ancient pottery, like this one, probably one of the oldest pieces of
pottery on planet Earth, from the first dynasty of Egypt, shows two long-necked
dragons.
Looks like dinosaurs to me.
Here's another one showing two long-necked dinosaurs holding a sheep between their
mouths.
This hippo tusk was found in an ancient Egyptian tomb from the 12th century B.C.
It shows an animal with a long neck and a long tail.
Why would there be dragon legends from countries all over the world?
Thailand has many legends of the dragon.
China, of course, is famous for its dragon legends.
The gargoyle that you see on the corners of the buildings in Europe, you know,
apparently came from the story of a gargoyle.
They called it a dragon.
They came up out of the water in France.
That's where the gargoyle legend comes from.
Here's a Russian medallion.
Shows a man killing a dragon.
This Bulgarian postage stamp shows a guy killing a dragon.
An Irish writer said they killed a dragon with iron nails on its tail.
Well, the stegosaurus had awful big spikes on his tail.
We've got a copy of one in our museum there.
And there are dragon heads found on the ships that the Vikings used to sail
around.
Here's a Viking woodcut showing a dragon swallowing a man.
Taken from a book called Vikings by Tony Allen.
11th century picture.
That's just 900 years ago.
They were still talking about dragons swallowing people.
The Vikings put dragon heads on their ships.
Interesting.
Get the book After the Flood by Bill Cooper.
Excellent book about what happened to Noah's sons and how they spread out.
If you like the genealogy type stuff, he's really brilliant at that.
But he mentions many of these ancient people talking about having to fight
dragons.
You can get that book from our ministry or on our website, drdino.com.
Siegfried, the famous Norwegian hero, slew the dragon Fafner about 1,000 years
ago.
Marco Polo lived in China about 800 years ago, 750 years ago.
And said the emperor in China was raising dragons to pull chariots in his parades.
Why would he come back and tell a story like that?
Well, I think it's because the emperor was raising dragons to pull chariots in his
parades.
That's my theory of why he said that.
Did you know in 1611, the old Chinese law books tell about they appointed the post
of royal dragon feeder?
Why do you need a royal dragon feeder?
Let me guess.
To feed the dragon.
Yeah, right.
A city in France was renamed Nerluc to honor the man who slew the dragon.
The Indians used to carve pictures on the cliffs of Grand Canyon and all the canyons
out there.
One of the pictures they found shows a dinosaur.
Now, how did the Indians know about dinosaurs to carve their pictures on the
walls of the Grand Canyon?
Well, maybe they hunted dinosaurs.
In 1925, some scientists went down one of the canyons out west, just exploring that
region.
And here's what they wrote.
The fact that some prehistoric man made a pictograph of a dinosaur on the walls of
this canyon upsets completely all of our theories.
Oh, you poor fellow.
They upset his theories.
He said, facts are stubborn and immutable things.
If theories do not square with the facts, the theories must change.
The facts remain.
I agree.
That's the way science is supposed to work.
You can have any theory you want.
But if the facts don't square with your theory, throw your theory away.
They would have thrown out evolution a long time ago, except they don't have a
replacement theory other than, you know, maybe creation.
He goes on and he says, About a year ago, a photograph of a dinosaur was shown to a
scientist of national repute who was then specializing in dinosaurs.
He said, it's not a dinosaur.
It's impossible.
Because we know dinosaurs were extinct 12 million years before man appeared on
Earth.
I want you to notice, he said, dinosaurs went extinct 12 million years.
Right?
Today, they tell the kids 65 million years.
I've been studying the inflation of the age of the Earth.
Did you know in 1770, the textbooks say the Earth was 70,000 years old?
Some of them do.
You go to 1905 textbooks, they say the Earth is 2 billion years old.
In 1969, the textbooks say the Earth is 3.5 billion years old.
Today, it says 4.6 billion.
Did you know the Earth is getting older at the rate of 21 million years per year?
That's 40 years per minute.
Aging rapidly, folks.
Go to Blanding, Utah, and you can see carvings of dinosaurs on the cliffs there.
Here's a painting found in Australia by an aboriginal, showing a native running away
from a long-necked, round-bodied animal.
Probably a dinosaur.
I can't pronounce the name of this place in Canada, Misha something or other,
but it looks like somebody drew a dinosaur on the cliff up there.
The Indians talked about the great animal that lived in the lake out there.
This guy says nobody's ever seen one.
He doesn't know that.
If nobody's ever seen one, why did they carve them on the cliffs?
Down in Ica, Peru, they've got the driest desert in the world down there.
The Spanish came across there and saw white lines across the desert.
Nobody could figure out what those white lines were until they got airplanes.
And realized these are actually giant images.
One of the images shows a spider that looks really strange.
One of the legs is longer, sticking out to the side like that.
And for years, everybody thought, well, these guys were just making up these
stories.
They're just, you know, it's imagination.
They just discovered here recently, there's a little tiny spider that lives in
the desert.
It's extremely rare.
Most folks have never seen it, never heard of it.
It's only about an eighth of an inch long, this spider.
During mating season, that leg grows longer, and that's how they mate with that
next spider.
Then it goes back in.
They had to have magnifying glasses to even know that.
And here they are carving huge images out in their desert.
Either these guys had incredible eyesight or they knew about how to magnify things
somehow.
Get Dennis Swift's book on that.
He's got a lot of good stuff on these images down in Nazca.
But in 1571, the Spanish came across there and they found rocks with strange animals
on them.
They were carved in these rocks.
They brought some back to the king of Spain and said, what are these?
He said, I don't know, I've never seen an animal like that.
Today they're called the Nazca burial stones.
There are about 20 of these in America.
We have three in our museum in Pensacola.
The largest collection, I think, the second largest collection in America,
three.
Some of them show brain surgery.
Some of them show putting artificial limbs on people.
One of them shows what appears to be a steam engine.
These are from 2,000 years ago when these things were carved on there.
About 500 of the stones show dinosaurs with people.
Now why would there be dinosaurs and people to carve together on these stones
2,000 years ago?
Just about every known dinosaur is pictured on these things, including many
unknown dinosaurs.
We could spend hours talking.
We'll talk more about the Icha stones on our college class 102.
But this one shows, Dennis Swift has this one.
He shows circles on the side of the dinosaur.
Here's one from my museum.
It shows a dinosaur holding a guy by the head.
Here's another one I've got in our museum.
It shows a dinosaur with his head cut off.
Apparently this guy has a knife in his hand.
Cut the dinosaur's head off because the dinosaur killed his friend.
We think that's what the stories tell us.
Taking vengeance is what the Bible says.
You know, vengeance is fine, saith the Lord.
Something like that.
I forget how it goes exactly, but that's close enough.
Now why would they put dinosaurs on these stones?
And why put the circles on the side?
Now that's really interesting.
You know, if you found dinosaur bones, that would not give you a clue what the
skin looked like.
Here's these stones from 2,000 years ago showing circles on the side.
You know they found fossilized dinosaur skin about 12 years ago?
And it had circle patterns on it?
The fossilized dinosaur skin shows circle patterns.
It looks to me like they must have seen a live one to know how to do that.
This one shows a guy cutting the head off of one.
Here's a guy riding a dinosaur of some kind.
They found pottery in one of the graves down there.
It looked like a dinosaur.
Clear as a bell to anybody else there could be a dinosaur on this pottery.
The mummy in the grave was wrapped up in a blanket, and it had dinosaurs embroidered
into the blanket.
Now, why would they put dinosaurs on their blankets and on their pottery and carve
them on cliff walls?
You go to Acomboro, Mexico, and they found 56,000 ceramic figurines of dinosaurs as
they dug to put in a basement of this one house.
You say, wait a minute, somebody stored a cache of dinosaurs.
Thousands and thousands of them.
We could spend many days talking about this, but lots more on that on Seminar
Part 2 of our series.
We cover more on dinosaurs and icostones.
This guy says nobody's ever seen one.
I'm sorry, he does not know that.
An Italian fella 400 years ago was out walking his cows, taking care of his cows.
And apparently a dinosaur scared his cows, and he hit the thing on the back of the
neck and broke its neck with his walking stick.
They had it stuffed and mounted for a museum display.
Probably a Tanastropheus.
And by the way, do you know why so many Italians are named Tony?
Years ago, they were shipping a bunch of them to America and they stamped on their
forehead, To New York.
I figured, never mind, never mind, never mind, okay.
Many people think the Sutton artifact appears to be like a pterodactyl with its
wings folded against its body.
Another dinosaur.
The Romans came across to America long before Columbus did.
One of the Roman swords found in Arizona shows a dinosaur on it.
I called the guy who's got the sword.
I said, uh, Tom, what do you think about this, uh, sword?
He said, well, it has to be fake because we know man and dinosaurs did not live at
the same time.
Oh, do you know that or do you think that?
And kids, if you ever get taught that Columbus was the first white man across
the ocean, you are mistaken.
They are mistaken, okay.
Brendan the Navigator came over here in 500 AD.
The Romans came back and forth.
Apparently King Solomon made his ships go back and forth across the ocean to
America.
There's lots of evidence of trade back and forth long before the Dark Ages shut all
that stuff down, apparently.
But during the recent age of sailing ships, after the Dark Ages was over,
there were many reports during that 400 year span of sightings of sea monsters.
Many, many legends of sea monsters exist.
I have read so many stories.
We can talk for hours on this.
I won't, but I've read, I'm sure, 300 books just on the sea monster
sightings from ancient ships, log books, stuff like that.
It's incredible how many sightings of sea monsters are recorded in ancient books.
Captain McKay said his crew saw a sea monster 60 feet long swim under their
boat.
The whaling ship Monongahela actually killed a 103 foot sea monster.
They measured it.
They were cutting it up.
And another ship said, what are you guys doing?
They said, we just killed a sea monster.
Amazing story.
To read the whole story about the Monongahela, the sea monster knocked the
captain out of the small boat that went out there to harpoon it.
Sailors had to rescue him.
He was unconscious.
This thing had a huge head.
They cut the thing up, put the bones in the boat.
The other ship bought the oil, sea serpent oil, and went back and told
the story.
He said, man, the Monongahela is coming in a few months and they're going to show you
guys the bones of a sea serpent.
Well, the Monongahela sailed on and was never heard from again.
Apparently it sank in a storm.
So I'm sure some more sailors got laughed at for claiming they saw sea monsters.
One of the guys who later rescued the folks on the Titanic was Captain Rauston,
Arthur Henry Rauston.
In 1907, he saw off the coast of Ireland a sea monster.
He sketched pictures of it.
He said it was a sea serpent.
Now, notice what this author of this book says.
This book is called Titanic, Triumph and Tragedy.
The author says, however imaginative the young officer may have been.
Excuse me, do you see any prejudice in that statement?
In other words, he thinks he saw a sea monster, but I know better because,
you know, he was there and I wasn't.
One German submarine commander said that when they sank a British ship during World
War I, what appeared to be a giant sea monster came flying up out of the water,
60 feet long, four big flippers.
There are stories of giant octopus pulling ships underwater.
He said, come on now, octopus never get that big.
Oh, they get pretty big.
This one washed up on the beach in Florida, St. Augustine, about 100 years
ago.
The octopus was 200 feet across and weighed five tons.
That's a big octopus.
That's not the biggest one.
A whale was killed near Seattle.
Inside the whale's stomach was one arm to an octopus.
All around the whale's body were 18 inch scars, circular scars, where something,
either a giant octopus or squid, tried to drown the whale.
See, whales love to eat octopus or squid, either one.
And squid and octopus never stop growing.
Now, if you're an animal that never stops growing, someday you won't have any more
enemies.
By the way, if you ever see a piece of puked-up octopus floating around in the
ocean, be sure to grab it.
It's worth a fortune.
Does anybody know what they make out of puked-up octopus?
Perfume, that is correct.
That explains a few things, doesn't it, fellas?
Hey, dear, you smell like a puked-up octopus.
Yeah, and you can sleep on the couch for a month, too, honey.
Yep.
There are some awfully big squids out there.
The Navy research vessel saw a squid wrestling with a giant whale one time in
1966.
Giant squid.
This one's in the Peabody Museum.
Huge squid model over my head there.
They said this one washed up on the beach in New Zealand.
It was a baby giant squid.
Full grown, it would have been 150 feet long.
Some people say, now hold it, Mr. Hovind.
If dinosaurs are mentioned in the Bible, and if they're mentioned all through
history as living with man, are they mentioned in the Bible?
I said, oh yeah, they're in there.
I said, I didn't see them in there.
Well, you won't see the word dinosaur because that word was made up in 1841.
King James was translated in 1611.
You know, figure it out.
They couldn't use that word.
It didn't exist yet.
But dinosaurs are in there.
If you read the book of Job, Job has 42 chapters.
In the first two chapters, it tells us Job was a perfect man.
He feared God and hated evil.
He had seven sons and three daughters.
And he had thousands of sheep and camels and oxen and asses.
The guy was rich.
And one day the messenger came and said, Job, I got some bad news.
The oxen and asses got stolen and your servants were killed.
Oh, and Job, by the way, the sheep all burned up.
Thousands and thousands of sheep all burned.
Probably lightning or something.
Who knows?
And Job, your camels got stolen.
And by the way, Job, all 10 of your kids died.
Job's having a bad day.
He lost all of his animals.
It's called the stock market crash.
All 10 of his kids died.
And Job said, the Lord gave, the Lord took away.
Blessed be the name of the Lord.
What kind of guy is this anyway?
Everybody else would get mad at God, right?
Job lost it all.
He said, okay God, it was yours to begin with.
Thanks for letting me use it for a while.
Then the devil gave him boils from the top of his head to the bottom of his feet.
And if that wasn't bad enough, his wife turned against him.
And Job said, hey, you foolish woman, shall we not receive good at the hand of
God and not evil?
Job didn't sin with his lips in all of this.
But then his four friends came to torment him, or to comfort him, I mean.
One of those guys was the shortest man mentioned in the Bible, Bildad the
Shuhite.
That's pretty short folks, okay?
These four guys came and they talked to Job for 35 chapters.
Most of the book of Job is these guys telling Job why everything went wrong.
They had to be Baptists, the way I got it figured.
That's what I am.
They said, Job, everything's going wrong, huh?
We know why.
You sinned.
Now listen folks, if something bad happens to somebody, you don't know why it
happened.
You should love them, pray for them, encourage them, and shut up.
Don't go to the hospital when they get their gallstones taken out and say,
hey brother, these aren't gallstones.
These are tithes and offerings.
God's getting them out of you one way or another.
Don't do that, okay?
Let God take care of why everything's going on.
He can handle that just fine.
He doesn't need your help at all.
So Job is sitting there, scraping the pus out of the boil, sitting in the dust by
the graves of his 10 kids wondering, what's going on?
He said, I wish the Almighty would answer me.
Lord, why is this happening to me?
And folks, you don't have to live on planet earth very long before you're going
to be wondering why some things happen to you.
If you haven't got there yet, you just keep living.
It'll happen.
Job didn't know about Romans 8, 28.
It was coming though.
God said, we know that all things work together for good to them that love God,
to them that are the called according to His purpose.
Now this verse does not say everything that happens is good.
It says everything will work together for good.
It's a big difference.
I'll show you.
Has anybody here ever been hungry?
Ever been hungry?
Supposed to come to my house, you say, Brother Hovind, I'm hungry.
I'll say, man, come on in.
Have a seat.
I'll give you a cup of flour.
I got it.
Lean back, open up.
We're going to shove in a spoonful of salt.
Now, that'll help you.
How about a spoonful of baking soda?
Oh, wow, that stuff tastes good.
You're probably getting kind of dry by now.
So lean back.
We're going to pour down a half a cup of Crisco.
And chase it down with a cup of buttermilk.
You say, that would taste terrible.
How about if we mix them all together first?
And make biscuits.
Hey, now you're talking.
Did you know the individual ingredients for biscuits taste lousy?
But they work together for biscuits, don't they?
You know, God promised everything that happens to you will work together for good
if you love God.
Life is so simple.
Keep your heart right with God.
That'll be hard to do because the heart's deceitful and desperately wicked.
But you just keep your heart right and everything that happens is good.
Finally, though, in chapter 38, the Lord answered Job out of a whirlwind.
Boy, if a tornado starts talking to me, I'm going to pay attention.
And the Lord said, who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without
knowledge?
Hey, by the way, many false cults take a lot of their doctrine from the book of
Job.
One of Job's friends said something like, you know, the dead die and they don't know
anything.
Well, that's one of Job's friends saying that.
It's true that they said that, but what they said was not true.
Be real careful getting a doctrine from the book of Job.
You know, read the verse and say, okay, that's interesting.
Now, who said this?
If it's one of Job's friends, it's true that they said it, but what they said may
not be true.
Just really be alert.
Same thing in Ecclesiastes.
That's the wisdom of man under the sun.
It's not the wisdom of God above the sun.
Okay, just be real careful about getting your doctrine from those two books.
Just take it very slow.
God said, who is darkening counsel by words without knowledge?
God said, gird up now thy loins like a man, for I will demand of thee and answer
thou me.
Where was thou when I laid the foundations of the earth?
Man, I read that 34 years ago as a brand new Christian and I thought, what a dumb
question.
Where were you when I built the earth?
How many of you were here when God built the earth?
Now kids, this is going to be complicated.
Okay, so listen carefully.
Since you were not here when God built the earth, that means that God is older than
you are.
How many can figure this out with no help?
Okay, did it ever occur to you that God is also smarter than you are?
Did it ever occur to you that God is stronger than you are?
Did it ever occur to you that God is richer than you are?
You say, Brett Hovind, everybody's richer than I am.
God certainly is.
Try this one.
Did it ever occur to you that nothing ever occurred to God?
Things occur to me all the time.
I say, wow, I never thought of that before.
Did you know that never happens to God?
He has already thought of everything.
He even knows and understands the imaginations of your thoughts and mine.
This is a pretty cool verse.
Not only does He know your thoughts, He knows the imaginations of the thoughts.
That's a whole different level.
You see, you can not only think about things, you can actually think about what
you're thinking about.
Think about that.
The Bible says God knows your thoughts and the Bible also says Jesus knows your
thoughts.
That's one of many verses that prove Jesus is God Almighty in the flesh.
Not just a God like Jehovah's Witnesses say.
He is the God in the flesh.
God knows your thoughts and get this, He loves you anyway.
Wow, what a nice guy.
God asked Job a question and Job did not answer.
So God asked him another one.
Declare, if thou hast understanding, who hath laid the measures thereof,
if thou knowest?
Question mark.
Job doesn't answer.
So God asked him another one.
Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea?
Did you know scientists didn't even know there were springs in the sea until 1977?
God asked Job this question.
Probably Job was written shortly after the flood, right about in this time when
people are still living to be 400 years old.
Because Job had 10 grown kids all die and lived long enough to see his fourth
generation from the new batch of kids that he got.
Probably lived right about in here.
No mention of the law hadn't been given yet.
Most people think Job was written probably the oldest book in the Bible, but not the
first one in the Bible.
God asked Job question after question.
He said, where is the way where light dwelleth?
That's a cool verse.
Light doesn't stay in a place.
It's in a way.
But then it says, as for darkness, where is the place thereof?
Hey, did you know darkness can't move?
We're the children of light, right?
The Bible says the gates of hell shall not prevail against... gates don't move.
People say, oh, hell... Satan's attacking us.
No, we're just not... we're not on the offense.
It's our problem.
Okay.
We're letting them win.
We're the children of light.
We're supposed to be on the move, folks.
Anyway.
God said, by what way is the light parted which scattereth east wind upon the earth?
Now, wait a minute.
Does the light cause the wind?
It sure does.
Ask any weatherman.
The sunlight causes the ground to warm up and the air to warm up and it causes it to
expand the air.
And the wind is from the sunlight.
God said that 4,000 years ago.
God said, canst thou send lightnings?
Boy, it's a good thing I can't.
How many of you can think of somebody that's lucky to be alive because you can't
send the lightnings?
I can think of several.
Yes, sir.
God said, can you send the lightnings that they may go and say unto thee,
here we are?
Now, wait a minute.
Is God telling Job electricity can be used to send a message?
I believe He is, folks.
That's how radio, TV, telephone, radar, microphones.
Oh, yeah.
God said that 4,000 years ago.
God asked Job question after question after question.
84 questions by my count.
Job never answered one.
See, these are the kind of questions that don't need an answer.
The question is designed to change the person's attitude.
These are the same kind of questions you dads have to ask your kids.
Say I have three kids, one of each.
Kids get to a certain age and they start to get kind of cocky and they think they
should make the rules around the house.
The kid comes in one day and says, hey, dad, listen.
I believe I should be allowed to stay out till four in the morning with my friends.
After all, I'm 10 now.
Dad says, hold on just a minute, kid.
You'd like to know why you can't stay out till four in the morning.
Well, son, let me ask you a couple questions here.
Who pays the electric bill around this house?
Who's paying for the house?
Who paid for that bed you slept on last night?
Who paid for those clothes you're wearing, son?
Who pays for the food you eat and eat and eat and eat and eat and eat?
And eat.
Who paid for the hot water and soap you took a shower with?
About a month ago.
Let's just get it straight right now, son.
The Bible is very clear on this topic.
He who payeth the bills maketh the rules.
Second Opinions, Chapter 4.
You see, son, me, dad, you, kid.
And if you're going to sleep under my roof and eat my food, you're going to do it my
way.
And when you want to do it your way, well, then go get your own roof to sleep
under and get your own food to eat and you can do it your way.
That's the golden rule, son.
He that hath the gold maketh the rules.
Who do you think you are, kid?
Where were you when we got this land and drove off to grizzly bears and walked
uphill to school 40 miles in the snow barefoot both ways?
I think God's asking Job these questions to change Job's attitude.
We come to Chapter 40 and God said, behold now behemoth.
Now what on earth is a behemoth?
Some reference Bibles say it could be the elephant or hippopotamus.
No, it cannot be either of those.
I think behemoth is the long-necked dinosaur, probably the brachiosaurus.
Actually, there are 13 different long-necked dinosaurs.
The brachiosaur, the cetosaur, the momentuosaur, the seismosaur,
the supersaur, the apatosaur, the blondosaur.
You just have to talk to her kind of slow, okay?
You'd be amazed how much hate mail I get from just that statement.
I say, look, I'm blonde, my sister's blonde, my mother's blonde, my daughter's
blonde.
I like blondes.
And I like making fun of them too.
So back off.
If you don't like it, edit this part of the tape out.
He says, behold now behemoth eats grass as an ox.
Some people say, hey, elephants eat grass.
And my Bible says elephant.
A lot of animals eat grass, okay?
Look at the next verse.
His strength is in his loins.
His force is in the navel of his belly.
The biggest part on him is his belly.
They say elephants have a big belly.
Yep, you're right.
Hippos have a big belly.
Brachiosaurus has a big belly.
He has a big belly.
So does he.
Next verse says, he moveth his tail like a cedar.
Wait a minute.
His tail's like a cedar tree?
Have you ever seen an elephant's tail?
Not like a cedar tree.
Have you ever seen a hippo tail?
Not like a cedar tree.
You know, before they put those comments at the bottom of the Bible, they really
should be required to read the passage at least once.
You know, before they comment on it.
It's not an elephant hippo.
Hello.
It's not one of those.
Anyway, the Bible says, his bones are as strong pieces of brass.
His bones are like bars of iron.
He had big bones.
And they did.
I've got one here on the table.
This is a copy of a toe bone.
From a brachiosaur.
Now kids, this is going to be complicated.
So listen carefully.
The reason he had such big toe bones is because he had big toes.
And he had those big toes because he had a big foot.
Matter of fact, their foot was big enough to take a bath in.
The footprint, if you're a little kid.
Pictures on the back of the book from Dinosaur Valley State Park, right here.
If you want to come by and take a look at that.
They had that big foot because he had a big leg to hold up.
His front leg is 20 feet tall.
The biggest dinosaur found so far was found in Oklahoma, 60 feet to the top of
the head.
They say it'll take him 20 years to dig all the bones out of the ground.
Because it is a government project.
They say when it was alive, it might have weighed 100 tons.
100 tons is equal to 14 school buses put together.
That means if he was to come by and step on you, you would be deeply impressed by
him.
You would be road pizza.
By the way, speaking of government projects, I want to show you folks my
invention that's going to make me the richest man on planet Earth.
I'm going to save so much money for the highway department, construction crews,
and utility companies, and the military.
And all I want is 10% of the savings.
I'll be the richest man on planet Earth.
I have invented a shovel that will stand up by itself.
You won't need to pay those guys to lean on it anymore.
You just watch when you drive by a construction crew.
You'll see what I'm talking about.
Everyone can use one of these inventions.
Next verse says, he's the chief of the ways of God.
He's the chief.
That's the Hebrew word for chief, the resheth.
He's the biggest animal God ever made.
Well, that would not be the elephant hippopotamus.
It'd be the brachiosaurus.
And you know, it kind of fits the pattern for the way the devil works.
Whenever God makes things, the devil tries to destroy them.
God invented beautiful things.
God invented music.
God loves music.
And Satan has come along with some ungodly music you shouldn't listen to.
Somebody asked me one time, they said, Brother Hovind, you know what you get if
you play country music backwards?
I said, no.
They said, you get your hound dog, your wife, and your pickup, all back.
Oh, yeah, back masking.
I heard about that stuff.
And God invented marriage and the family and sex.
God made them male and female.
And he understands it pretty good.
And he puts some rules down.
Boys, don't touch the girls until you're married to them.
Now, if you don't want to touch them, then stay away from me.
Okay, I saw your kind out west.
God wants you to have a wonderful life.
And he said the adulterous will hunt for the precious life.
These movie stars getting married again every six months don't have a clue what
the precious life is all about.
Now, kids, listen carefully.
Here's what you got to do.
It doesn't matter what your friends are doing.
The Bible teaches you're to keep yourself pure.
And your wife or husband keep pure until you both walk down the aisle and the
preacher says, wilt thou and you wilt.
And then you stick with that one for the rest of your life.
That's the precious life right there.
God knows what he's talking about.
The Bible says God created all the great creatures.
God made the dinosaurs.
And Satan said, you know, there has to be some way to use dinosaurs against God.
But he couldn't fool Adam.
Not with dinosaurs.
Imagine the devil walking up to Adam and saying, hey, Adam, did you know dinosaurs
lived millions of years ago?
Adam would say, are you dumb or what?
There's one in the backyard eating off the cherry tree right now.
The devil couldn't fool Noah.
He fed him every day.
But for the next 4,000 years, they became pretty rare.
Many species went totally extinct.
Gone.
And then in 1809, they found the bones and put one together.
And the devil was there that day.
He said, wow, here we go, folks.
My chance.
Finally, after 4,000 years.
Satan said, you know, these critters have always lived with man.
I know that and God knows that, but these people don't know that.
So the devil said, I think I'm going to tell everybody they lived millions of
years ago.
And if they believe it, it'll make them doubt the Bible.
And boy, has it worked good.
You know, for the last 200 years, kids have been going to kindergarten and
getting a book like this.
I can read about dinosaurs.
Would anybody like to just take a wild guess at what the first sentence in the
book says?
Millions of years ago.
Yeah, sure enough.
So many books in our libraries teach this stuff.
Millions of years ago.
How many kids are being taught that in your town?
At your expense?
I go to museums all the time.
Just makes my blood boil seeing all these beautiful, incredible museums,
fancy displays, loads of money.
And the wrong message.
Kids are being brainwashed.
That's why we started our own.
And we need lots of creation museums around the country.
Hundreds of them.
You folks need one up here.
Somebody start one.
Next verse says, "...he lieth under the shady trees in the covert of the reed and
fens." The word fens means the swamp.
Well, the biggest swamp in the world is in the middle of Africa.
Right there.
Most Americans don't know how big Africa is.
There's what America looks like next to Africa.
That swamp is gigantic.
Bigger than the whole state of...
same size as the whole state of Illinois.
Gigantic swamp.
There have been reports of dinosaurs in that swamp in the last 200 years.
There could be a few dinosaurs still alive.
I don't think there's very many.
I don't think they're very big ones.
But I think there's some still alive, folks.
We cover lots more on that in the next session.
But basically, God made dinosaurs with Adam and Eve.
They were big lizards before the flood.
Noah took them on the ark.
People began killing them.
There are very, very few left today, but there might be a few still around.
But don't let anybody tell you they lived millions of years ago.
That is just plain baloney.
We'll cover dinosaurs still alive.
in the next session after the break.
Thank you.
All right, in this session we're going to talk about dinosaurs that may still be
alive.
Now I know how crazy that sounds to the average person who's been trained with the
humanist line of, you know, dinosaurs lived millions of years ago.
But some of these guys need to open their mind just a little bit.
Maybe somebody can drop an intelligent thought in there.
I think from a Christian perspective, the world is very different than what our
textbooks teach.
I think dinosaurs always lived with people.
They called them dragons.
There could be some still alive.
The Bible teaches, before the flood came, there was a canopy of water overhead and
water under the crust of the earth.
It probably gave optimum conditions for people and animals to live a long time.
Actually, they would have lived forever if they hadn't sinned.
Dinosaurs were big lizards that lived with Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden.
They did not live millions of years ago.
They were pre-flood.
Many indications from history indicate that people have always known about
dinosaurs.
And yet the textbooks are saying, dinosaurs lived millions of years ago.
Somebody is clearly wrong.
And I think I know who it is, and I enjoy showing them who they are.
Dr. Seuss even says, millions of years ago, before you were born, millions of
years ago.
We've just been bombarded with this propaganda for so long, some people
actually believe it.
Millions of years ago.
The Bible says behemoth lives under the shady trees in the fens.
The old English word fens means the swamp.
Behemoth lives in the swamp.
Well, the largest swamp in the world is in Central Africa, right on the equator,
called the Likwala Swamp.
55,000 square miles, it is 80 percent unexplored.
That swamp is bigger than any one of those yellow states.
It's the same size as any of the three red states.
That's a big swamp.
Belgium took over this area back in 1885.
They colonized the Congo, and it was called the Belgian Congo for many,
many years.
Then in 1960, the communists went in there and liberated them.
You know how the communists liberate countries, don't you?
They killed everybody and said, okay, you're free now.
Well, today it's called the People's Republic of Congo.
But back in the 1700s, even before Belgians went in there, some missionaries
went into that swamp and reported there are dinosaurs still alive.
In 1910, an article came out in the New York newspaper after folks had gone into
the swamp.
And they said, folks, there are dinosaurs still alive in that swamp.
This article appeared in the Saturday Evening Post, 1948.
There could be dinosaurs still alive.
A game hunter, a big game hunter, went in there.
His name was Mr. Gobbler.
He returned to Africa from a trip to Angola and announced to the newspaper that
there was an animal of large dimensions, the description of which could only fit a
dinosaur.
The natives in the region called it Chipekwe.
That was their name for it.
Could there be dinosaurs living in the last century?
In 1980, a couple of scientists went in there to the Congo swamp.
They said it's the most miserable swamp in the world.
They said the mosquitoes landed on them at the rate of about a thousand per hour.
Just like dust, swarms of mosquitoes swarming around them.
Constant battle with mosquitoes, poisonous snakes, poisonous spiders,
every kind of critter you can imagine.
Plus the pygmies over there are taught if you ever see a white man, he's probably a
spy.
The communists go in there and tell them that to keep, you know, everybody else out
of the Congo.
Well, Roy Mackle from the University of Chicago and a couple other guys went into
that swamp, tromped around for a while.
The natives kept talking about a couple of animals.
One that was interested then was the animal called Mahamba.
When they showed him a picture of a crocodile, they said, yep, that's Mahamba
right there.
And the scientist said, well, how big does Mahamba get?
And they pasted off on the sandbar, 50 feet.
He said, right.
Of course, now if you're a pygmy, four foot four, a 50-foot crocodile looks
real big to you.
But they claim there are 50-foot crocodiles in the swamp.
I don't know.
That's what the natives said and they live there.
They also talked about an animal called Mokele Mbembe.
Well, Dr. Mackle said, fellas, what is Mokele Mbembe?
They draw a sketch on the ground of an apatosaurus or a cetosaurus, one like this
right here.
Dr. Mackle said, fellas, that's a dinosaur.
They've been dead for 70 million years.
And the natives said, we're sorry, we didn't know about that.
We've never been to America to study evolution.
All we know is we see them out in the swamp once in a while when we're fishing.
Now they're not very big, okay.
They're about 20 feet nose to tail is what the natives will tell you.
Most of the body is about the size of a hippopotamus, just a long neck and a long
tail.
They live underwater.
They're very rarely seen.
They apparently are nocturnal, active at night.
And so the chances of seeing one are close to zero.
You could even live there for your whole lifetime and never see one.
It's not like they're real common, okay.
There's just a few left in this big swamp.
I live in Florida.
I've been there 15 years.
You know, there are panthers in Florida.
I've only seen one in 15 years, and it was dead on the highway.
It's possible for a lot of animals to avoid detection.
Anybody knows that that studies animals at all.
Well, Dr. Mackel went there and the natives said, oh yeah, Mokele-Mbembe's
favorite food is Malombo plant.
If you find some of these plants along the side of the river and you find there are
no alligators or hippos, probably Mokele-Mbembe lives there.
Because he's so ferocious, even the hippos and alligators are afraid of him,
or crocodiles.
He drives them out of their part of the river.
They found footprints of one of the animals.
Dr. Mackel's phone number here, and he's got a California and a Chicago
house.
There he is.
He said, look, I've been there.
That's what the natives say.
Missionary Eugene Thomas was there for 42 years.
He's retired now back in Ohio.
There's his phone number.
He said, yeah, I had met pygmies that knew about these creatures.
He said they live in the swamp.
He said he met two pygmies that killed one and ate it.
Back in 1959, there are just so many stories about Mokele-Mbembe from that
swamp region over there.
Different countries around that region have different languages, of course,
and they call it by different names, but they all describe this creature right
here.
Marcelino Ignagna saw one.
He's a biologist from the Congo.
He said it looked like that.
Dr. Mark Miller went there, came back, he said, boy, the pygmies over there just
nearly killed us.
They got us, captured us.
We thought they were going to kill us.
A fascinating story from World Explorer magazine, wexclub.com.
W-E-X for worldexplorerclub.com.
They're right down here in Chicago.
That's where their headquarters are, near Chicago.
Some guys from Los Angeles went to the swamp and said, look, we saw one,
but our cameras malfunctioned because of the high humidity.
It ruined everything.
It's not like you just drive in, take a picture, and drive home,
okay?
It's just not the same, right?
It's a little tough conditions over there.
They said the creature was brownish in color.
The skin appeared slick and smooth.
It had a long neck and a small head.
Herman saw it.
Kia saw it.
It's his wife.
And on several occasions, they heard it making a tremendous roar.
Many other members of the expedition, and this includes government officials
from the Congo, saw it and heard it.
There's an article from the Boston newspaper about a group getting ready to
go over and look for the half-god, half-beast.
Mokele Mbembe creature.
This is in 1999.
There have been about 30 expeditions into that swamp looking for this creature right
here.
Many of those that come back say, man, all the natives over there know about
it.
It's like, you know, it's not a big deal.
There have been so many expeditions, 30 some of them that I know of,
plus maybe more.
The natives claim that they live in caves along the side of the rivers.
And they're more active at night.
Very difficult to spot these critters.
And they stay underwater.
So not only at night, but underwater at night, which makes it even tougher to see.
Roy Mackle wrote a book about it.
We sell the book.
We're finally able to get some from the Netherlands.
If you want to get his book, it's like 25 bucks.
But it's about a living dinosaur.
Now Roy Mackle believes in evolution.
After going over to the swamp, he came back.
He went over there twice.
Spent a quarter million dollars.
He came back and said, folks, there are some dinosaurs still alive.
And then he said, it's amazing they survived for 70 million years.
Well, we're working on Roy about that one.
It's not millions of years ago.
William Gibbons from Canada has been over there four times now.
He and I wrote this book together, Claws, Jaws, and Dinosaurs.
William contacted me and said, I've been there four times.
I said, William, I've been collecting stuff for 30 years on cryptozoology.
Let's write a little book together.
So we did for kind of junior high, lower high school age about dinosaurs
still alive.
William went back to Cameroon and he said, he had a guide named Pierre Sima.
He said, we were the first white man to actually penetrate the forest and swamps
bordering the Boomba River.
Our informants, mostly all of them Baka pygmies, with the exception of one elderly
Muslim Cameroonian, are perfectly familiar with all the known and unknown animals of
the forest and swamps.
They do not regard the lakele ambembe as being an unusual animal.
They do fear the creature because of its ferocity in attacking hippos, elephants,
and even crocodiles.
The animal appears to be completely intolerant of any other large creature
that shares the river and controls large stretches of the river, particularly those
areas where its food supply is present.
I was on 100 Huntley Street, a program from Toronto, Canada one time.
I'm sitting there getting ready to go on the air, and there's another guy,
a missionary, who's going to go on and talk for a few minutes about his mission
work.
And he was looking through Roy Mackell's book and he saw that picture.
He said, Brother Hovind, my wife and I were missionaries in Kenya, Africa for 15
years.
We saw one of those animals.
He said, but the plates on the back were bigger.
There have been about five reported sightings that I've been able to find in
the last hundred years of people seeing what apparently are stegosaurus type
creatures, plates on the back.
In South America, there's a jungle called the Amazon jungle that is absolutely
gigantic.
There have been many reports of creatures in the Amazon that are pretty strange.
For instance, in 1907 Colonel Fawcett from the British Army was sent down there to
mark the border between a couple of countries.
He was known as a meticulous recorder of facts.
One of those no-nonsense kind of guys.
He reported a creature that he believed to be a diplodocus.
The people down in that valley said, oh, yeah, that animal's out there in the
river.
Don't bother them.
They're not friendly.
Colonel Fawcett's son drew a picture of the footprints that they saw.
Appears to be a three-toed dinosaur of some kind.
In 1883, this article came out in Scientific American, before they became
very careful about filtering out anything that might support creation.
Now they're very careful about filtering that stuff out.
You know, if it might support creation, it'll never make the Scientific American
paper.
But this article said, the Brazilian minister at La Paz, Bolivia, had remitted
to the minister of foreign affairs in Rio photographs of drawings of an
extraordinary saurian dinosaur killed on the Beni, that's the name of the river,
after receiving 36 balls.
They shot it 36 times.
By order of the president of Bolivia, the dried body, which had been preserved
in a sanction, was sent to La Paz.
It was 12 meters long, 39 feet, with snout from to point of the tail.
Describes the whole thing in Scientific American.
The neck is long, the belly large, and almost dragging the ground.
Professor Gilvete, who examined the beast, thinks it is not a monster, but a member
of a rare or almost lost species.
As the Indians in some parts of Bolivia used small earthen vases of identical
shape and probably copied from nature.
Here's a picture of a giant snake that actually swallowed a human.
There are some big snakes down there, folks.
They cut it open.
There's a guy inside of it.
Colonel Fawcett said he shot and killed a 62-foot anaconda snake.
The natives that were with him said, Colonel, you should see the big ones.
This ain't a big one.
Officials from the Brazil-Colombia Boundary Commission in 1933 killed a
98-foot snake with two foot diameter.
They killed it with a machine gun.
It weighed two tons.
Four men were unable to lift its head.
The cook from a hotel in the Amazon jungle said he saw a 100-foot snake the military
hunted down and killed because it ate two of their soldiers.
Snake's head was five feet long.
Reuters news service reported this creature back a few years ago,
a 130-foot long serpent, the diameter about 15 feet, crashed through the jungle.
The soccer team was terrified.
They saw it go by.
1948, this picture was taken showing a giant snake carcass floating down the
river.
The people said it might have been 150 feet long.
Nobody poked it to see if it was alive.
We'll just let that one go on by.
See, many Americans cannot comprehend how big the Amazon River is.
I had one of my former students who was a missionary down there for a while,
right there in central Brazil.
He said, Brother Hovind, where we live, the Amazon is only nine miles wide.
Can you imagine a river nine miles wide?
That's a big river.
There have been many creatures seen in that South American region.
We can talk more about that later.
There's a famous lake called Loch Ness.
How many has ever heard of Loch Ness before?
There's a big map on the table down here under all the junk about the Loch Ness.
It's a map from Scotland if you want to read it.
Loch Ness is about 24 miles long, a mile to a mile and a half wide,
and up to 900 feet deep in places.
Big lake.
In 1933, they blasted, with dynamite, a groove into the side of the mountains to
put a road along the edge of Loch Ness.
Before that time, if you wanted to see the lake, you had to climb over the mountains.
Because the road was on the wrong side of the mountains.
Very sparsely populated up in that region of Scotland, northern Scotland.
Well, 1933, they put a roadbed in there, and then there began to be many sightings
of the Loch Ness monster.
There were sightings before, but mostly local people.
And the news didn't get out much.
And if it did, people thought, well, they had been drinking too much.
You know, something up there in the hills of Scotland.
Well, this author said there had been 9,000 reported sightings of the Loch Ness
monster.
The first year they put the road in, there were 52 separate sightings.
He said there had been 9,000 reported sightings.
Today, it's over 11,000.
Many are certainly fakes and frauds, I understand.
But the fact that there are a few fakes and frauds does not discredit all 11,000.
Sir Peter Scott said, I believe in the Loch Ness monster.
He's a member of parliament.
He said, I believe in it.
Most of them say it's a plesiosaurus.
A plesiosaur is this kind.
There are about, I'm going to say, five or maybe six different kinds of
swimming dinosaurs that are similar to this.
The plesiosaur, the elasmosaur, a couple of other unusual ones.
Well, this author said there is one thing wrong with Nessie being a plesiosaur.
Plesiosaurs became extinct 70 million years ago.
Oh, is that what's wrong with the theory?
Yeah, we better throw out all the evidence then, since it doesn't match your theory.
When you get 11,000 people who claim they've seen something, maybe they've seen
something.
Arthur Grant was a veterinarian student.
He nearly ran into Nessie on his motorcycle.
Here's what he said.
He said, I had a splendid view of the object.
In fact, I almost struck it with my motorcycle.
It had a long neck, oval-shaped eyes, on top of a small head.
The tail would be five to six feet long and very powerful.
He said, the total length of the animal, 15 to 20 feet.
Knowing something of natural history, I can say I've never seen anything in my
life like the animal I saw.
It looked like a hybrid.
That's what he wrote about it.
He drew that sketch right there, after nearly hitting it with his
motorcycle.
Alexander Campbell was the game warden for Loch Ness for 47 years.
He said, I saw Nessie 18 times.
He said, it looked like that.
He said, the closest he ever saw it was three feet away.
He was out in his boat, sitting there, motor not running.
He'd been sitting there for hours.
All of a sudden, Nessie popped its head up beside his boat.
Scared both of them half to death.
Nessie took off and he took off.
People have tried to catch it with cages.
They've tried everything you can imagine and some things you can't imagine trying
to catch Nessie out there.
This is a gigantic lake.
Loch Ness is big enough that everybody in the world could go drowned in it at the
same time.
That lake would hold six billion bodies.
It's a big lake.
Many folks claim they've seen Nessie.
One family said they saw it with a sheep in its mouth, headed back for the water.
This guy got a picture of it with its back sticking out of the water.
Here's the neck over here.
When they republished this picture in Reader's Digest...
I've got it on the table down here somewhere.
They cropped the head off.
You know, Reader's Digest, shortened version.
All they show is the hump on the back.
McLeod said he watched it for nine minutes through binoculars.
He drew four sketches of what he saw.
He said it was halfway out of the water, on shore, on the other side.
You know, a mile away, pretty far.
But he said it put a big flipper up on shore and pushed off and rolled back into
the water.
After watching it for nine minutes, he said the head was moving back and forth
in the brush, like a snake.
He said, I think it looks like that.
That's his sketch of Loch Ness Monster.
Several folks have reported like horns or tubes on top of the head.
Maybe breathing tubes or maybe horns.
Maybe there's a male and female that, you know, one's different than the other.
I don't know.
World Book Encyclopedia put a submarine over there.
They spent a fortune bringing a submarine from Georgia or South Carolina.
They took it over there and put it in the water.
The guy went down in the sub and said, it's like raisin.
It's wrinkled up and there are many places to hide.
And I'm sure Nessie heard 24 boats coming down the lake.
You know, sound travels really good underwater.
There could be caves off the side of Loch Ness going up into the mountainous
regions, right on the side.
It's kind of what they call karst topography.
Very porous ground over there.
Nessie may have wintering grounds up inside a cave someplace.
Where there'd be an air chamber, an air lock.
I don't know.
Just one theory about that.
The Academy of Applied Science went over there and so they got a picture underwater
of its flipper.
Which is a good trick.
Now the water is muddy but they set up sonar activated cameras.
They said Nessie swam past.
They took pictures of all kinds of fish and finally got this giant flipper
picture.
Nessie has apparently four big diamond shaped flippers.
Here's the picture in Reader's Digest showing Nessie with its mouth open.
Many folks have gotten pictures.
They claim this picture is a fake and it very well could be a fake.
I don't know.
But I think it's awfully interesting.
They waited until the last guy who was involved died.
And then announced it's a fake.
They claim that he said it was a fake on his deathbed.
But he's dead now so how are we going to ask him?
A little fishy there.
But anyway, I'll accept it.
Let's assume it's a fake.
Maybe.
But there are seven other lakes in Scotland reporting creatures like this.
Loch Lochie, Loch Morag.
All you have to do is go to the library.
If it's on the Dewey system, go to 001.9.
And there will be books about Loch Ness Monster.
If it's on the Library of Congress system, go to QL89.
And there will be books about Loch Ness Monster.
I've read every one I can find in many, many libraries.
There are lots of books on this topic.
I was in Wales a few months ago.
Just south of Wales there is a bay called Cornwallis.
The Cornish Sea.
Many folks reported seeing the Cornish Sea Serpent.
Down there.
In the English Channel there have been many reports of a creature like Loch Ness
Monster.
In the English Channel.
In 1766, we believe, the dictionary we have, the cover page is torn off,
we're not sure, but we think it's a 1766 dictionary.
They listed Sea Dragon as a marine monster caught in England in 1749, resembling in
some degree an alligator, but having two large fins which served for swimming or
flying.
It had two legs terminating in hoofs like those of an ass, the body is covered with
impenetrable scales.
It had five rows of teeth.
Interesting.
This thing washed up on the beach in Normandy, France, where a D-Day took
place.
This happened way before that though.
1934, the creature washed up on the beach.
Professors came and looked at it.
They said it's not a whale, it's not a sea cow.
It is possible we're in the presence of an unknown species.
Time Magazine, 1934.
Two scientists were on board a ship down near Brazil when this thing swam past
their boat.
They observed it from the yacht.
They said it had a dorsal fin six feet long, two feet high, a small head on a
neck about seven or eight feet long in front of the fin.
Two experienced naturalists saw it and reported the sighting.
What they claimed was something unknown to science.
This guy said, I saw, swimming parallel to the ship underwater, a curious creature
about four feet long with a long neck and large flippers.
I believe, as did my wife, who also saw it was a young plesiosaurus.
A Queensland correspondent wrote me that a young plesiosaur was taken in a net off
Mudgee Beach, Australia.
He sent me a sketch which was like the one I myself saw off the coast of Greece.
Sir Arthur Conan Doyle said that.
Interesting.
Down near the coast of New Zealand, a Japanese fishing boat pulled this thing
up out of their water one time.
1977.
It was 4,000 pounds, 32 feet long.
They said, what is that?
They took a bunch of pictures.
The sailors on board thought it was something really unusual.
They took all kinds of photos of it, took some skin samples, and threw it back.
It stunk real bad.
The marine biologists on board made that sketch of the bones.
They made a special stamp for Japanese mail, 1977.
There is one on the yellow poster in front of the table here.
If you want to see the stamp they made.
Some folks today claim it was a basking shark.
It certainly could be.
I don't know.
But they don't know either.
The scientists who had it in their hands said, we think it's a plesiosaurus.
Now it's true.
They analyzed the protein.
It was 96% similar to shark protein.
Okay, that doesn't mean it's sharks.
It could be.
Nobody's ever seen plesiosaur protein to know what it's supposed to look like.
And I don't know if it's a shark or not.
I just say it's interesting.
They caught this thing and they claimed it was a plesiosaurus.
They say it's got the protein elastin in it.
Well, a lot of animals have elastin in it.
96% similar to shark protein.
So what?
Humans and apes are very similar in their protein structure, but are very different
creatures.
Nobody's ever seen plesiosaur protein.
The fishermen had it and said, we know what basking sharks are.
And they didn't think it was a basking shark.
So the story still rages.
And there are some creationist organizations that don't like me,
because I even mention the fact that they might have had a plesiosaur.
I'm just bringing it up for study purposes.
Some Russian scientists claim they saw a dinosaur in a lake in Russia.
In 1994, a 39-foot carcass washed up on the beach in Russia.
And everybody said it was a dinosaur.
In Japan, up on the North Island of Japan, there have been reports of a creature like
a dinosaur in a lake there.
There is also one on the South Island of Japan.
The people there call it Ishi.
In China, there have been reported sightings of a creature similar to a
dinosaur.
They call it a U.S.O.
Unidentified Swimming Object.
What would you call it?
There are several lakes in Norway and Sweden reporting creatures like this.
There are many legends from ancient Swedish and Norwegian artwork showing what
appear to be dinosaurs.
Canada has many lakes reporting creatures that are called Canadian Lake Monsters.
Nessie's Cousin?
Nessie's Canadian Cousin is an article here in the paper.
From the town of Kelowna, British Columbia, north of Washington.
There is a giant lake there.
The lake is 80 miles long.
The people there call it the Ogo Pogo.
Now, what is the Ogo Pogo?
Well, the Indians warned the white settlers when they came out there.
They said, oh, be careful about the Ogo Pogo.
He will tip your canoe over and kill you.
This article says right here, they were the latest among thousands to see
something strange in this narrow 80 mile long lake in southern British Columbia.
One swimmer was swimming out there in the lake and he said this creature came up
under him.
He said it was 20 to 30 feet long.
He said, we have never seen a sturgeon in the lake.
Some people thought it might be a big sturgeon.
He said, nobody has ever seen a sturgeon in that lake.
The creature showed up on sonar scan here from the Kelowna newspaper, Daily Courier,
in the year 2000.
There is another creature called Cadburosaurus, which apparently is on the
Pacific coast along from British Columbia down as far as Oregon.
The caddy, they call it.
A couple of scientists actually have spent years studying the Cadburosaurus and
written books about it.
Professor LeBlanc from the University of British Columbia says it is probably a new
species to science.
The remains of a baby one are found inside the stomach of a sperm whale.
Adult caddies get 7 meters long, about 22 feet long.
They say it has a long neck and short pointed front flippers and a horse-like
head.
One guy was actually out there with a sailboat and caught one.
A little baby one, about 18 inches long.
He put it up in his dip net, put it in a bucket, drew a sketch of it.
There is the sketch.
He didn't know what it was.
He didn't have a camera.
But it was obviously trying to get out of the bucket.
It was panicking, trying to get out.
So he dumped it overboard.
Let it go.
But that is the sketch he drew.
I interviewed this guy for an hour up in Canada.
He and his three buddies there saw a creature that actually chased their boat
off the coast of Cape Sable Island, Nova Scotia.
I preached up there about 10 years ago.
I met with the guy.
Here is what he told me.
He said, Dr. Hovind, he was 67 years old at the time.
He said he had been fishing out there since he was 5.
It is a fishing village.
He said a 40 to 50 foot long creature chased their boat for 1 to 2 miles with
its head out of the water, about 15 feet.
That is not a fish.
He said it had a wide mouth and 4 foot tusks like a walrus, as well as other
pointed sharp teeth about the size of his finger.
I showed him a plesiosaur.
He said, well, that is close, but it is not exactly like that.
He said the neck that he saw was 2 foot diameter and the eyes were 8 to 9 inch
diameter.
Hmm.
He said they were 6 miles south of Cape Sable Island, Nova Scotia.
The water was 180 feet deep and flat cam.
They say calm cam, flat cam.
I said, what do you mean flat cam?
He said, flat cam, no waves.
Oh, you mean calm.
He said, I don't want to see it again.
That is what he told me.
The other three guys refused to even talk to me.
They said, look, we got laughed at enough.
We are not even going to talk about it.
This thing washed up on the beach in Newfoundland, Canada, about 2 years ago.
Nobody ever identified it.
Giant creature of some kind.
Another one came up in Parkers Cove, Canada.
This thing.
I had a guy come to my house and spent 2 hours talking to me.
He said, I was vacationing up there.
He said, I've got a bed and breakfast right near there.
He said, this thing washed up on the beach.
I've got a whole article of him talking to me.
September 18, 2002.
He said, I went over to Parkers Cove, 2 hours drive, saw this creature laying on
the beach.
He said, some of the scientists said it was a basking shark.
Other people said, no, it's not a basking shark.
You know, typical argument.
All they knew was it stunk.
Everybody kept cutting pieces off of it to have a piece of the sea monster to take
home.
But there were articles in the paper about this giant creature, whatever it was.
I don't think it was ever positively identified.
Except some folks think it was a sea monster.
Some folks think it was a basking shark.
I don't know.
But it's gone now.
There are a couple of samples though that people up in Canada still have.
I think it would be worth getting those analyzed scientifically to get the
structure of it.
It had a little hair on it.
I don't know of any sharks that have little hairs.
Unless that is frayed protein, which it could be.
But it appears to be some type of hair or fur.
Whatever it is.
Many people reported this creature as having a hair or fur on it.
There's all the pictures.
You can see for yourself what it is.
We've got all kinds of books out there on the table or on my website, Dr. Dino,
about dinosaurs living with people.
I interviewed Jacques Boivet right here for three hours.
We talked and talked and talked because he's been collecting for years sightings
of the Lake Memphremagog monster, which is between Vermont and Quebec,
Canada.
He has file after file of stories of people who claim they've seen Memphrey.
In 1992, just that one year alone, there were eight sightings involving 26
people.
Just in that one year.
There have been reports of some kind of strange creature in the Potomac River.
They say it resembles the Loch Ness Monster.
This one lady said her husband shot one of the smaller monsters in the neck.
It rose out of the water and disappeared.
Took off down into the water again.
In 1800s, there were many reported sightings of a sea monster in Boston.
Lots of people saw this thing, like a giant sea snake.
There's an island off the coast of Rhode Island.
The island is called Block Island.
In 1994, I've got lots of material on this one, 1996, a creature was caught there,
14 feet long.
Here's the sketch.
Here's the actual picture of it right here.
Somebody stole the bones and it disappeared.
Nobody knows where it is now.
But of course, they called it the Block Ness Monster.
You know, Block Island.
In Lake Erie, there's been lots of people claiming they've seen a creature in Lake
Erie.
Erie's Bessie matches Nessie.
This article says, they describe it as black, 35 feet long, with a snake-like
head.
There are many articles in the paper and many folks will swear they've seen the
Lake Erie Monster.
We could spend two days on that one also.
I talked to John Craft, who photographed Lake Erie Monster.
He said, Brother Hovind, I saw this critter with its head sticking out of the
water.
By the time I got my camera set up, the head was down.
All I got was the back.
Sorry.
But that's the best picture I've got, he said.
I talked to Pete Peterson, who owns a bait shop on Lake Erie.
He's also a taxidermist.
He said he was walking along the shore of the beach and he saw this carcass and the
seagulls were picking it apart.
So he shooed off the gulls and got this critter and took it home and stuffed it.
He's a taxidermist.
He said, I don't know what it is.
It sure looks strange, doesn't it?
I said, yes sir, that looks strange.
It's in a museum in Texas now.
It's never been positively identified.
In Scituate Harbor, Massachusetts, I went there and interviewed the sheriff,
who was the first man on the scene, when back in 1970, this thing washed up on
the beach.
He said a rock and roll music station came on at three in the morning and announced
there was a sea monster laying on the beach.
And people came from miles, plugged up this little bitty town's highway system
and everybody started cutting off chunks of the sea monster.
He said, Brother Hovind, I saw it before it got cut up.
He said, I'm telling you, that was some kind of long neck sea monster.
He said, I don't know what it was.
Other people said it's a basking shark.
That's always their answer, a basking shark.
It's a standard way to explain it.
It could have been, but he said, I saw it before it got cut up and it
wasn't a shark of any kind.
Not a basking shark.
In California, 1925, this critter washed up on the beach.
There's the head right there.
There's his eyeball.
The neck comes down to the right here.
This guy behind him has a rifle, just in case it moves again.
The neck was 20 feet long.
The book, Shipwrecks and Sea Monsters, out there on the table or on my website,
has all these pictures in there.
20 foot neck.
I had one atheist wrote me a letter and said, Hovind, you're so stupid.
Don't you know that was a whale?
I wrote back and said, Just exactly where is the neck on a whale?
It ought to be between the front flippers and the head, don't you think?
It's not a whale.
Duh.
One guy said, It's a bard's whale.
A rare formed of bard's beaked whale.
Well, there's a bard's beaked whale right there.
This thing had a 20 foot neck.
I'm sorry, you're mistaken.
It was a new creature.
The people who saw it and examined it said it was a plesiosaurus.
If that bothers you, tough.
That's what they said.
The only reason it bothers some people though is because they've already got a
preconceived theory that they like.
They like the evolution theory because it gets rid of God.
It's a wonderful way to leave God out of the picture.
Back in the 1930's and 40's, Monterey was famous for having the world's famous
sardine fleet.
They'd go out there and catch sardines by the gazillions and sell them all over the
world.
And many folks in the sardine fleet reported sighting creatures like this.
One crew said it surfaced right near their boat and stared at the crew with large,
baleful eyes from a rounded head that topped a long, slender neck.
Notice the shape of the head.
It's shaped like a light bulb.
We're going to see that again in a minute.
A bulb-shaped head on top of a long neck.
There's a book called Mysterious Sea Monsters of California's Central Coast you
can get from our website.
In 1969, fishermen nearly dropped their rods when they were fishing off one of the
bridges in New York City.
When the New York Harbor Patrol chased this creature, bigger than a whale,
upriver, past one of the largest cities in the world.
Couldn't catch it.
They didn't know what it was.
There are many stories of basilosauruses still alive today.
In White River, Arkansas, Newport, Arkansas, there were many folks in the
1970s who reported seeing the White River Monster.
There were so many reported sightings that Arkansas Senate passed a designated the
White River Monster Sanctuary.
Passed a resolution.
It's unlawful to molest, kill, trample or harm the White River Monster.
1973.
I talked to Cloyce Warren who took that photograph.
I said, Cloyce, what was it?
He said, Mr. Hovind, honestly, I don't know.
He said, I had a whole bunch of pictures from the last roll of film I took.
He said, I took them all into the newspaper there in Newport, Arkansas and
said, here, you've been laughing at us for claiming there's a monster in the river.
By the way, the river there is 100 feet deep.
I said, here's a roll of film.
I haven't even opened it.
You guys develop it and you'll see the pictures.
They're right on there.
Well, the guy at the newspaper didn't realize it was color film and developed it
with black and white developer.
Ruined the whole roll.
So Cloyce went out and got one or two more pictures.
He said, they're not near as good as the other ones I had.
I'm sorry.
In 1972, I believe, there was a flood that filled in much of the river.
These pictures were taken in 71.
Arkansas Senate passed a resolution in 73, a couple years later, to protect the White
River monster.
Off the coast of Jupiter, Florida, there have been many reported sightings of
creatures there.
One guy wrote me this letter.
He said, Dr. Hovind, during the 50s, I was flying off Jupiter, Florida,
where I lived.
I was 7 or 8 miles out over the Gulf.
The water was glass calm.
Suddenly I saw an animal.
Its head came out of the water.
Its eyes stayed trained on me as I made another pass.
It appeared to be 30 plus feet long.
Having seen the creature taken by the Japanese fishing boat and later the
drawing of the National Inquirer, I would say this is the same creature.
I didn't tell anybody for fear they would think I was nuts.
I was working for Pratt & Whitney Aircraft Company with high security.
Later my brother and I caught a pygmy sperm whale for the Miami Sea Aquarium,
Captain Gray.
I hope this will further support your belief.
I get letters and calls and phone emails like this just about every week.
I've got huge files of people who claim they have seen something that appears to
be a dinosaur in this century.
There's a big lake between New York and Vermont called Lake Champlain.
Many folks claim they've seen the Lake Champlain Monster.
I talked to Sandy Mancy that took this picture.
I said, Sandy, do you think you saw a dinosaur?
She said, oh no, I know I saw a dinosaur.
She and her husband and two kids watched it for ten minutes.
We'll put at the end of this tape her interview that I did with her describing
the creature she saw, a plesiosaurus.
Fifty-eight people in Lake Champlain saw what appeared to be a creature thirty to
thirty-five feet long swimming off the port side of the boat.
Two hundred feet away.
They saw it for five minutes.
The skipper said, don't tell me it's a fish.
If it was, it weighed three or five thousand pounds.
Discover Magazine ran that article.
There are stories in the Bible of dragons in the sea.
The dragon in the sea, mentioned in Isaiah 27.
In Pensacola, Florida, where I live, back in 1963, five teenagers, older
teenagers, decided to go scuba diving on the Massachusetts.
One of them came back.
He made that sketch.
He was frantic.
He said, that thing ate my four friends.
Here's the story as he told it.
They were scuba diving on a sunken ship called the Massachusetts.
I've got page after page after page of interviews and stories and things about
this creature, but he said, we were an Air Force rescue raft bound for a sunken ship
a few miles off the coast.
Midway out, we got caught in a storm and dragged out to sea.
When the storm cleared, we were in a dense fog.
We began to hear strange noises, rather like the splashing of a porpoise.
Also, a sickening odor like dead fish.
The noise got closer to the raft and we heard a loud hissing sound.
Out in the fog, we saw what looked like a long pole about ten feet high,
sticking straight up out of the water.
On top was a bulb-like structure.
He said, it bent in the middle and went under.
It appeared several more times, getting closer to the raft.
The silence was broken once again by something out of the fog.
I can only describe it as a high-pitched whine.
We panicked.
All five of us put on our fins and went into the water.
Keep together and try for the ship, I yelled.
After we got in the water, we became split up in the fog.
From behind, I could hear the screams of my comrades one by one.
I got a closer look at the thing just before my last friend went under.
The neck was about twelve feet long, brownish green and smooth looking.
The head was like a sea turtle, except more elongated.
He said the eyes were green with oval pupils.
In a different book, he interviewed several folks after this happened,
and then he stopped giving interviews altogether.
But in this book, he said, I don't know how long it was before we heard a scream.
It lasted maybe half a minute.
Then I heard Warren call, Hey, help me, it's got Brad.
I've got to get out of here.
His voice was cut off abruptly by a short cry.
Hey, Brad, Warren, Brad, Warren, hey, where is everybody?
I yelled back at the top of my lungs.
Larry now swam with Eric and me.
Warren and Brad were nowhere in sight.
Right next to Eric, that telephone pole-like figure broke water.
I could see the long neck and two small eyes.
The mouth opened and it bent over.
It dove on top of Eric, dragging him under.
I screamed and began to swim past the ship.
My insides were shaking uncontrollably.
That's the sketch of what ate his friends.
He said the next morning, I was found by the rescue unit.
I shared this story at a meeting one time when I was speaking in Fort Walton Beach,
Florida, not far from my house.
Edward McClary was the only survivor.
After I shared the story, a lady came to me afterwards.
She said, Mr. Hovind, my name is Val Bill.
My stepson, Larry, was one of the kids who was eaten by that creature.
She said, this story you are telling is exactly correct.
That's what she said.
There's her phone address if you're on a rider, if you don't believe me.
Down the river, down the bay from us, or down the beach from us, is Panama City,
Florida, about 100 miles away.
I was speaking down there and a youth director came to me afterwards.
He said, Brother Hovind, I'm a youth director at a Lutheran church.
He said, my youth group was in the van driving across the bridge in Panama City
and we saw a creature just like that one you've got in your book down there.
He said, the kids all saw it.
Everybody saw it in the van, but they all said, man, if we tell anybody,
they're going to think we're crazy.
There have been many reports like this.
Who knows how many have not been reported.
I interviewed a lady who grew up in Panama, Central America.
She said she was riding her horse along the Pacific Ocean and she saw a
plesiosaur.
She's married to a pastor who is a Baptist pastor in Arkansas now.
I interviewed her several winters ago.
I have interviewed probably 80 people face-to-face who said, look, I've seen
one.
There have been 20,000 reported sightings in the last century.
There have been There have been reports of pterodactyls still alive.
In Africa, they call it the kangamato.
In Kenya, they call it batamzinga.
That's their name for it.
I was sitting in my office one time and the phone rang.
And this guy said, Mr. Hovind, my name is... they call him Steve.
He said, my African name is real long.
So they call him Steve.
He said, I'm on the Kenya Olympic running team.
I'm over here in Baton Rouge, Louisiana.
And I'm going to school at Louisiana State.
He's graduated now and gone.
I don't know what happened to him.
He said, you mentioned in your seminar that I just saw that pterodactyls might
still be alive.
Here's one here on the table.
There have been many reports of pterodactyls.
And I mentioned this in my seminar.
Steve said, Mr. Hovind, I'm from Kenya.
And I want you to know we have those creatures in my village.
He said, they're only about a four-foot wingspan.
He said, they've got a bump on the back of their head.
He said, why do your schools in America say they lived millions of years ago?
I said, because we're dumb over here.
He said, they're very rarely seen.
And most people in my village don't like them.
And some people are superstitious about them.
Because their favorite food appears to be decaying human flesh.
So if you bury somebody, you better bury them deep or kangamato will come dig them
up and eat them.
Frank Mellon, the African explorer, heard rumors about an animal called the
kangamato.
It lived in the Jeundu swamps in the northwest corner of northern Rhodesia,
near the Belgian Congo.
He asked the natives what it was.
They told him it was a bird, but not exactly a bird.
More like a lizard with wings like a bat.
The wings made of skin.
He showed them pictures of pterodactyls, and all of them immediately plumped in for
the pterodactyl, excitedly muttering, kangamato.
A couple of cowboys apparently shot one back in 1880-something in Arizona.
Cut off the wingtips and took it back to the saloon and said, fellas, we just shot
a giant bird with no feathers.
Here's part of the wingtips.
They had skin, not feathers.
In Venezuela, a missionary told me that he's been down there for years,
and the natives kept talking about an animal that they were afraid of.
A giant bat.
They were scared of this animal.
He said it would capsize canoes and carry off Indians.
I met with Adam in 1998.
He told me the Indians were terrified of this bat, and years ago they had sent
their bravest men to the head of the river, where they killed one of the
creatures years ago and buried it near the Moana River.
When Clint showed the Indians a picture of a pterodactyl, their eyes got big as
saucers, and they said, that is the bat.
They positively identified this extinct dinosaur as the bat that lived a few miles
from their village.
Even today, the Indians will not fish or drink from the river for fear of this
creature.
Missionary Tyson Hughes told Bill Gibbons, who wrote the book with me, that he knew
of a creature in Suram, Indonesia, right here.
The locals called the creature the Orang Batai, which means man with wings.
My next-door neighbor teaches English as a second language at Pensacola Junior
College.
She lets me come in and speak to her class about once every other year, so that I can
share about dinosaurs, and also get the gospel into them a little bit.
So I was sharing about dinosaurs, and I shared this session in there.
These are all adults learning English from other countries.
This lady raised her hand.
She said, Mr. Hovind, I am from Indonesia.
I'm a medical doctor, and so is my husband.
We came over here to study English.
She said, you are right.
We have those creatures in Indonesia.
Why do your American schools say they lived millions of years ago?
Several missionaries claim they've seen these.
Of course, some have never seen them.
And somebody who has never seen one is going to say they don't exist.
Karl Baugh has been down to Papua New Guinea several times.
The natives there call the creature the Ropan.
They say it looks just like the pterodactyl, but it glows in the dark just
a little bit.
Like it has something bioluminescent on its skin.
Several missionaries have said they saw this creature, and it has a slight glow to
it.
Charlie Knight told me he saw one in Washington, near Spokane, Washington.
A giant bird was seen off the coast of Alaska about a year ago.
How many heard about that one, the 14-foot wingspan?
A lot of folks on this airplane saw this thing flying right past the airplane.
Not past it, but just flying in that region.
Nobody knows for sure what it was yet.
It hasn't been seen since, as far as I know.
I have lots and lots of stuff on this topic.
A couple of things and we'll quit here.
The Indians out west used to have a story about the Thunderbird.
They told all the settlers that came out, they said, be careful of the Thunderbird.
It's a giant bird.
They said, why do you call it the Thunderbird?
They said, a Sioux Indian party years ago saw one get hit by lightning and fall to
the ground.
It took them three days to find it.
When they found this thing, the buzzards had picked it clean.
But it had a 20-foot wingspan and a bony bump on the back of its head.
That's where the legend of the Thunderbird came from.
A pterodactyl.
Here's a prayer stick in an Indian museum in Colorado, near Colorado Springs,
and it shows the head of a pterodactyl.
Henry Ford put an eagle on the taillight of his Thunderbird.
It should have been a pterodactyl, Henry.
The French explorers came down to Mississippi in 1675.
They stopped off where today the town of Alton, Illinois is, right across from St.
Louis.
And they saw this strange animal painted on the cliffs by the Indians.
They said, what is this big animal that you painted up there?
They said, oh, that's the Piasaw bird.
They said, what's a Piasaw bird?
They said, oh, a giant bird used to live up in the cliffs.
He would swoop down and pick up Indians and carry them off.
But a great chief prayed and the Great Spirit showed him a way to kill this bird.
And they finally killed this giant bird that terrorized our village.
For years they painted it up on the cliffs.
When the white men took over the area, they kept the painting up there.
They kept painting the Piasaw bird.
They got tired of painting it, so one day they put up a big metal plaque.
There's me underneath it.
Huge metal plaque.
Then they got afraid the plaque might fall, so they took it down in 1996.
But if you go to Alton, Illinois today and look up Piasaw in the phone book,
you'll see all sorts of people listed as Piasaw Dairy Queen and Piasaw Motors and
stuff like that.
The Piasaw legend is famous around that area.
There's a Civil War photograph circulating around that claims to be people standing
by a pterodactyl.
Apparently the photo is fake.
So don't fall for that one if it comes around.
People say, Brother Hovind, why do you go around and teach about dinosaurs?
Well, Satan is using them to turn our own kids away from God.
Somebody ought to set the record straight, folks.
Christians are confused about where they fit in.
I'm just trying to show you the Bible is correct as it's written.
They're a great evangelistic tool.
Kids love dinosaurs.
And we've got to learn to use them to reach people with the gospel.
And I think God ought to get the glory for everything He made.
If Behemoth is the chief of the ways of God, then God ought to get the glory for
what He made.
The next chapter, God talks about a creature called Leviathan, another
dinosaur.
We cover that on one of the green tapes in our topical series about Leviathan.
When God was all done talking to Job here, after four chapters, God apparently
stopped talking, and Job finally answered the Lord.
And he said, I know that thou canst do everything.
Hey, did you know God can do everything?
Why do we worry about things anyway?
And Job said, No thought can be withholden from thee.
Job said, I heard of you, but now I understand.
I don't think any of us realize who God is.
You know, we hear a little bits about Him, but man, He's incredible.
Job finally got to understand.
He said, I repent in dust and ashes.
Lord, I'm sorry.
Question, how big is your God?
Ever thought about that?
Is your God big enough to tell you what kind of clothes to wear?
The Bible says women should dress modestly.
If you're not in business, don't advertise.
Does your God tell you how to cut your hair?
Man, when I got saved, I was a lifeguard.
Long blonde hair.
I read the verse.
It says it's a shame for a man to have long hair, so I said, okay God,
I'll go cut it.
It doesn't matter to me what anybody thinks.
I want to know what you care about, and I'm going to do it that way.
Does God tell you what kind of speech to have?
The Bible says, let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth.
I know a lot of Christians need to work on cleaning up their mouth.
Every idle word you're going to give account thereof in the day of judgment,
the Bible says.
Does God tell you what to watch on TV?
Psalm 101 says, I will set no wicked thing before mine eyes.
Do you put wicked things before your eyes?
Does God tell you what kind of music to listen to?
He told us to speak to ourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs.
See, Christians are supposed to be different from the world, folks.
And I, for one, am sick and tired of the devil using God's creatures to turn people
away from God.
I think we need some Christians to get busy and do something for the Lord.
People ask me this question all the time.
Brother Hovind, did God call you to do this?
I don't know.
I never got a letter or a phone call.
But it sure needs to be done.
It just needs to be done.
Look, if I tell my kids, clean your room.
I don't want to come back an hour later and find them playing around and the job
not done.
If they say, well, you didn't say make the bed.
Okay, kid, listen.
If I say clean the room, I expect you to figure out the details.
Now, kids, you may go to sleep.
You will not understand anything I'm about to say.
Parents, you will understand.
Mom says, son, is your room clean?
Yep, all clean, mom.
Okay, let's go check it out.
Come in here, right here.
Okay, son, you see that dirty sock right there?
Pick it up.
Now, bring it over here and put it in the dirty clothes.
Okay, now, come on back.
Come over this way.
Now, pick up the other one.
How many know what I'm talking about?
Don't you see what needs to be done?
I think God's up in heaven looking down at some of His kids, saying, don't you see
something that needs to be done?
Start a new ministry.
Start a new Sunday school class for left-handed, one-eyed people or something.
Do something.
There's a war going on.
For heaven's sake, find something to do.
Everybody can do something.
The worst of you could serve as bad examples, if nothing else.
But you could all do something for the Lord.
Man, find something to do.
Get the job done.
In Acts chapter 2, there are many, many verses quoted as he preached to the
Jews.
Because they knew about the Bible.
They believed the Bible.
So they quoted scripture, after scripture, after scripture in Acts 2.
The second great sermon in the book of Acts is Acts 17, where Paul preached on
Mars Hill.
He did not quote one scripture.
The whole sermon, not one Bible verse.
He said, I want to talk to you about the unknown God.
And then he said, God that made the world.
Paul used creation as his means of evangelism.
That is why we call our ministry, Creation Science Evangelism.
We want to win souls.
Hey, there are some practical steps you can use to get the gospel out using
creation.
You can see how many people you can get to watch videotapes.
Feel free to copy mine and spread them around.
People will sit home and watch a video that you will simply never get to come to
church.
Especially men.
If they are sitting at home, holding the remote.
This feeling of power surges through their body.
How many know what I'm talking about?
Now come on, be honest.
Man, use video to reach them.
It's a great way.
Now look, if you want somebody to watch the video series, you get all excited.
Okay, don't give them the whole thing.
They won't even start.
If you tell somebody, here I want you to eat this elephant.
Wait until they are hungry and give them a little tiny piece of elephant meat.
Then they'll want more.
And I see people all the time, they get all excited and they go choke
their neighbor on something, you know.
Copy ten minutes of a tape and just give them that.
Say, here, watch this.
Shut it off right in the middle of something.
Then they'll come for more.
Why don't you pass out some videos on your campus.
Give them to your public school teachers.
Put them on TV.
Put some tapes in your public library.
Many have done this.
You can get videotapes in your public library.
I don't care if you use my stuff, use somebody's stuff.
But folks, get the message out.
Feel free to use my material any way you want.
Spread it around.
We've got lots of debates on video.
Lots of other topics on video.
If I say something you don't like, edit it out.
Take out the jokes.
You have to learn early in life, eat the meat and spit out the bones.
Or you're going to choke on something.
Take out what you don't like.
Please feel free to use it though.
You could have a dino night here at the church.
Have a vacation Bible school where you emphasize creation.
Teach kids something about creation.
You can get a truck or a trailer or a tent.
Travel to parks.
One guy saw my seminar, got excited, spent $4,000 and built this huge tent that
he blows up with a fan.
Sets it up in neighborhoods and invites kids to come get inside and learn about
dinosaurs.
They love it.
They have hundreds and hundreds get saved with this big dinosaur tent.
Some of you could do that up here.
Have a vacation Bible school with dinosaurs as the emphasis.
One guy got a bus in Australia, lined the inside with fossils and posters
and charts about dinosaurs and creation.
He travels around and just stops wherever he can get a crowd.
Hey, come on board, let me tell you about dinosaurs.
A traveling museum.
One of you could do that for a ministry.
You could get some puppets or some flannel graph.
Build a dinosaur adventure land.
Please do.
Come visit ours if you'd like.
We had 10,000 visitors our first full year open.
They are paying me to come get the gospel.
What a deal.
We are having a blast.
We don't really have a plan, but someday we'd like to sell the lawn mower once
everything gets covered with concrete.
That's basically the plan.
Dinosaur adventure land.
The kids come and they get a little license.
Every activity has a science lesson and a spiritual lesson.
You can go to our website, dinosauradventureland.com We are adding
all sorts of stuff to that every day.
To that website to make it a place where kids would just love to come.
Just play games and learn more about dinosaurs.
If the kids come and break a record at one of our events, they get their name on the
record board.
And they get a $5 gift certificate with a famous speaker.
And a famous president on it.
All kinds of cool activities.
We are just trying to find some way to undo the damage being done by the public
schools and the museums in this county.
They talk about evolution.
Just think of some way to get the gospel.
Feel free to come down and visit.
Take a video camera, copy everything we are doing and do another one up here
someplace.
We would like to see thousands of these around the country.
We are not trying to build a giant ministry.
We are trying to win a war.
All kinds of ideas down there.
Come see our dinosaur adventure land.
Okay, last thought.
Figure out some way to reach the kids in your area or Satan will.
What we really need is a Christian Barney.
You don't need to be very smart for this job.
Get yourself a big purple costume.
Get all the neighbor kids together.
Okay, kids.
Robin, you would be good at this, brother.
Get all the kids together.
Okay, kids.
We are going to sing now.
Are you ready?
God loves you.
God loves me.
He wants you in his family.
If you ask him, I will come into your heart.
And of his family, you will be part.
Shouldn't they learn that instead?
To keep one F-15 in the air for one hour requires 454 support personnel on the
ground.
Now look, everybody ought to be doing something.
If you are not going to preach, at least support the pastor who will.
And if you are not going to go to the mission field, then support the missionary
who is willing to go.
I mean, don't you think if you left your country and had strange land, and strange
diet, strange clothes to wear, and strange language to learn,
don't you think you would want to get a letter from home once in a while with a
$50 bill in it?
I don't mean your electric bill.
I mean one they can spend.
Everybody should find something to do.
We have been commanded by the Lord to go into all the world and preach the gospel
to every creature.
Are you done doing that yet?
Well then, let's keep going.
I spoke nearly 800 times last year.
People said, Bill Hovind, aren't you going to wear out?
Oh, probably.
I'd rather burn out than rust out though.
Not a lot of Christians are going to rust out.
I learned years ago, if you burn the candle at both ends, you get twice the
light.
And right now, the world needs twice the light.
So get off your duff and find something to do for the Lord.
Let's all stand, bow our heads, and close our eyes, and let's pray.
Well, this is Kent Hovind.
It is August 31st, 1993.
I'm sitting here at the Antique Quest in Winchester, New Hampshire with Sandy
Mancy.
It's good to see you again, Sandy.
I saw you back in 1992.
And Sandy is the one that saw Champ.
Her picture appears on the cover of the book by Joseph Zarzinski.
Why don't you tell us when it was, and where you were, and just a little bit
about it.
I was in Vermont, on the Vermont side, and my husband, we weren't married at the
time, I can't say, and my children, we were exploring the lake.
I grew up in that area.
And we were just exploring the lake, sitting there, enjoying the peace and
quiet.
My husband had gone back to the car to get the camera, and while he was gone,
there was a disturbance in the lake, and I looked out, and I thought perhaps
there was a school of fish, and maybe a scuba diver or something, and then the
head and the neck broke the surface of the water, and the head fit up in the neck in
the back.
And I knew it wasn't a fish.
Right.
Well, great.
And some people said, I heard somebody told you that they thought maybe it was a
duck.
It's about a 2,000 pound duck.
A 2,000 pound duck.
When we were at the church, when you came to hear me speak up in wherever that was,
New Hampshire, Dublin, New Hampshire, I had all my dinosaurs on the table,
and you immediately picked out this one as champ, but you said it was a little
different, what you saw.
Yes, what I saw is the neck was not near as long, and the head is shaped right,
like a horse head, but the neck is not near as long.
Okay, now, there are three or four different types of swimming dinosaurs that
bones have been found of.
There's the chronosaur, which has a huge neck, the plesiosaur, which you're
holding, and then there's the elasmosaur.
It had a shorter neck, and the head is at a right angle to the body instead of in
line with the body.
There may be others, of course, undiscovered yet, but get that where they
can see it on the camera.
I think this more, with a shorter neck, or it could be that the neck wasn't all
out of the water, too.
Alright, so this was back in 1977.
How many other people do you know, or have you talked to, that claim they
have seen it also?
I have spoken with probably about six different people who have seen it.
And all of our accounts are very, very similar.
So we all can't be crazy, and we all can't be telling something that maybe we didn't
see, but they're all very, very similar, the shape of the head, the neck,
just the massive size of it.
Okay, now you watched it for about how long, would you say?
Probably from the time the disturbance, until it went back down, maybe eight
minutes to ten minutes.
Eight to ten minutes, okay.
And you told me the last time we talked, about a year ago, that when it first came
up it was looking different directions, it was looking around?
When it came up, it was facing this way.
Okay, to me.
And when it came up out of the water, and then it looked around, and when I did
take the one snapshot, it was getting fidgety, it was getting a little more
movement to it, and it had turned its head to look over its back, and that's when I
got the snapshot.
And then it turned, and then it went down, and it started going down like this,
and then it put its head down under the water.
After it was completely under the water, I heard a boat coming.
I heard a boat.
Didn't even see the boat, but I heard it coming.
It knew that boat was coming long before my sense of hearing picked it up.
A lot of people I've interviewed have told me that, like the ones in Africa,
the dinosaurs in Africa, the natives claim they have very sensitive hearing.
And they'll hear you coming and duck under the water.
I've got missionary friends over there that say there are dinosaurs in that
swamp.
Absolutely.
I'm sure of it.
God created one.
He created many.
And this is something that has to be a creation.
It's not something that could have come from a eel or any of that nonsense.
And God created one.
He created many.
Sure.
Right.
Your picture, as well as being on the cover of Joseph's book, has been in a
number of places.
It was in Time Magazine July 81, I think.
You were on Unsolved Mysteries.
Did you say this last week?
Unsolved Mysteries has been shown three times.
The first was in September of last year.
That would be September of 92.
Right.
And then, recently, about a week or so ago, we had a rebound of it.
So you're a movie star now.
No.
Well, there are those who teach that evolution is a proven fact, that dinosaurs
lived millions of years ago.
I, as you know, am very different.
I was a science teacher for 15 years.
I'm of the strong studied opinion that a few dinosaurs are even still alive.
The world isn't millions of years old.
Would you say that what you saw was best described as being a dinosaur of some
kind, water dwelling?
I saw a dinosaur.
You felt like you were seeing a dinosaur, right?
I know.
I felt I know.
You know, okay.
I saw a dinosaur.
Now, the question comes to some people's mind, why did you only take one picture?
Because I didn't want to miss anything.
Busy watching it?
I was busy watching it.
I brought the camera, I took the one photograph, and then I put it down because
I didn't want to miss anything.
I was in such total awe of what was happening.
And I don't even know why I took the one.
It was just instinct.
My husband handed me the camera.
He had gone after the camera anyway.
He had gone after the camera to take pictures of the children.
Okay, before it surfaced.
He didn't even know anything was going on until he got back there.
And he helped me up the banking, and he handed me the camera so he could
help me up the banking.
And I had it.
My knees gave out.
I was shaking.
And I went down on my knees, I picked the camera up, I took the one photograph,
and then put it down.
You could have taken 20 pictures.
Oh, absolutely.
But I wanted to watch it.
And your mind tries to rationalize.
And I'm trying to think, what is this?
And there comes a point when you cannot rationalize.
You just stand there and ask.
Well, great.
Anything else?
Any other typical questions you get asked?
Most of the people that interview you are those who believe in evolution.
And how do you feel about that?
You don't like that.
I agree with you 100%.
And I appreciate you letting me use your picture.
I put it on one of my posters.
And I have quite a few pictures from different people.
And my motive is to strengthen people's faith in the Bible.
The Bible is the word of God.
And there's Sandy's picture.
You've been featured in a number of shows and magazines and things like that.
You've lived here, how long?
In Winchester.
Twenty years.
So you had no intention of trying to become a celebrity by photographing Jan.
As a matter of fact, I really didn't even want to publish.
I kept it a secret for two years.
And then I made them keep it in the scientific world.
And I was forced by the media to publish.
Because they were calling me, why does this exist?
Why haven't we seen it?
And so I was forced to.
And that's why I had to...
I put a copyright on so that I could have some control and some protection as to
who's going to use it.
Right.
Smart.
Good move.
Now, people have asked me, if there are so many of these creatures, why don't we get
more pictures?
And I ask them the question, I'll say, have you ever seen a car wreck?
They'll say, well sure.
I'll say, give me a picture of one as it happens.
You never see a picture of a car wreck as it happens.
And yet thousands of car wrecks happen.
So it's something that's fleeting.
It lasts a few seconds.
You don't think of taking a picture until it's too late.
Well, maybe if you could keep me posted, send me information if you get any more.
Because people probably come to you all the time, don't they, and say I saw it.
I would like to keep a file of that.
Send me a list.
Absolutely.
Here's a picture of a chancellor on the wall.
Tell me about the old gentleman that came and looked at it.
I was standing here at the counter and an older gentleman came in and he's staring
at the picture and he's staring and he asked me what it was.
And I told him it was a chink on my champagne.
And he went on to tell me that he had never told a soul this.
And he was in his 80s.
I think he said he was 89 or 87.
And he tells me about when he was a young man he went fishing with his grandfather
up in Lake Champlain up by the Bullwaga Bay that area He grew up on the lake?
Yeah, he grew up on the lake.
He told me of a time that he and his grandfather were out fishing and this
monstrous big thing he said came out of the water and his grandfather told him
that it was champ and that he wasn't to tell anybody but they would think that
they were insane.
And so all those years he never told a soul about it.
I was the first person he told and he said to me I was not insane.
My grandfather was not insane.
We saw a living, breathing dinosaur.
And I was like, hallelujah!
Yes!
Yes, absolutely.
Now other people have seen it and come to you and say, hey...
Yes, I appreciate that because it gives me vindication that I'm not crazy,
I'm not a creep out.
This is what I saw, this is what they saw and we all saw something and what?
Sometimes maybe the lake will give up our secret.
Who knows?
But let's not kill it.
Thank you so much.
You got customers here, we better let you go.
It's a shark!
God darn, it's got white things all coming out of the water.
Ew, what the heck is that?
Hey, it went under.
Oh, it went under right there.
It's a little bit awkward.
Let me see those binoculars.
It was a shark.
No, it wasn't a shark.
Something just came up there.
I've seen it, Dad.
It's gone.
It went under.
I think we just see champ.
What's champ?
Lake Champlain?
Monster.
It's gone, Clayton.
I know.
I shouldn't have looked at it with the binoculars so long.
I should have got the camera.
Oh, it went under the lake.
It started way the heck out there.
Just past that buoy when that sailboat went by.
I know.
When I was looking at it with the binoculars, I thought it was just a log.
It ran over, but it went right from that buoy all the way inland, went underneath
right in there.
This is a giant squid of the species Architeuthis dux.
It came ashore on November 22, 1979 in St. Brendan's on Collier's Island
in Bonavista Bay, Newfoundland.
It's an immature female.
It is a small female, but it is a giant squid.
I believe that giant squid reach an approximate maximum size of something like
150 feet.
If this is 20 feet long, well then, it's almost eight times longer than this
in overall length.
And that's a big squid.
In 1976, just 30 miles off the Lizard in Cornwall, two fishermen, George Vinnican
and John Cox, also met a monster.
Well, it went steaming 30 miles off, 25 to 30 miles off.
We saw what I thought was an upturned boat on the horizon.
We went over to investigate.
When we got closer, we could see it wasn't an upturned boat.
It was something that, well, mothers have seen before.
So, it was dark in colour, and had sort of umps on the back.
I should say it was, well, between 15 and 18 feet in length.
And rising above the sea about three feet.
It was a flat, calm day.
There was no disturbance on the sea at all.
When we got up closer, went a little closer, I came astern.
Mermaids went up out of the water about three feet from this body.
Head appeared out of the water.
And it was a, well, thing I've never seen before after about 40 years at sea.
And it gradually sank in the water and disappeared.
But, after talking about it, the only thing we could explain it was it was very
much like a prehistoric animal.
Welcome to Obie's open line program.
I do believe that's what's going on in here this morning.
Therese, how are you?
I'm fine, thank you.
We're talking about the Ogopogo today.
A lot of people in the area have seen it.
The legend goes on for many years and we'll be talking to some experts.
I believe we've got Arlene Gall coming in.
Arlene wrote a book on it.
That's right.
But we're going to go to the phone lines right now.
Line two, good morning.
Hello there.
Mr. Pugliese.
Yes, go ahead, sir.
You want to know about Ogopogo?
I certainly do.
Yeah, okay.
I had a taxi and I took a passenger to the hospital and then I was coming down Abbott
Street.
And I got far as about here.
I looked at the lake.
I was surprised.
I seen this thing come out of the water.
It was like a horse's head with kind of horns on it.
Oh, he was huge, you know, standing up there.
Oh, my.
Just like a you know, like a big serpent.
Then another fellow come behind me and he says, what are you looking at?
I says, I see no Ogopogo over there.
And he says, where, where?
Over there, he says.
I had the door open, the car, and I stepped out just a little bit and he
slipped back in the water, see?
And he said, gee, look at the big, big waves there.
And all we can see is big waves going down there to Fred's place where he had the
boat, boat rental.
And they disappeared, see?
And then I got all excited.
I got in the car and I pulled the willow in and I told the people, I says,
they were having breakfast, I just seen Ogopogo.
And they says, what the heck you been drinking, eh?
Line four, go ahead, please.
Hello, John.
How are you?
I'm not too bad.
Good.
Are you going to give me your name?
No, I'm not.
Okay.
Tell me about the... I saw Ogopogo off of about four years ago.
Okay, you don't want to give your name on the air.
No, I don't.
You've told some people, obviously.
Ah, yes.
Are you afraid that they might think you're a little bit of a...
Well, I had some strange phone calls.
And...
I get them every day.
That's what they pay me for.
Well, I don't get paid for them, so I don't really want any more.
Thank you.
We were up on the beach having a picnic and my daughter was on the swings when I
saw this creature underneath the wharf there.
When I turned around and saw it and realized that it was the legendary
Ogopogo, I just freaked out.
I grabbed the baby and ran down to the beach and I guess I yelled over and over,
that's him.
She was screaming like anything.
She just couldn't believe it.
Her face was red.
It was fishing or whatever it was doing and it was there for quite some time.
Then it straightened out and went along those poles and as it traveled along just
the three humps were showing and they were going from one end of those poles to the
other in the space.
The three humps were.
It traveled along the beach till about the corner over there and then it turned and
went straight across the lake.
Alright, we're going to break from the phone calls right now and introduce to you
someone that's well known in the Okanagan Valley, Arlene Gall.
Arlene has written a book on the Ogopogo.
Good morning, Arlene.
How are you?
Good morning, John.
Good morning, Teresa.
Good morning, Arlene.
How many sightings have you documented?
Literally hundreds.
When was the first sighting?
The very first sighting was in 1852.
The first documented sighting in 1852.
Okay, 1852 and it's now 1980.
Do we take it to mean that there must be more than one Ogopogo?
There definitely appear to be more than one.
There has been a film that was made and I think it was back in 1968.
It's pretty hard not to believe when you see it right in front of your eyes.
Tell us about that film this morning.
The Foulden film was taken in 1968 by a gentleman by the name of Art Foulden.
He was returning from a trip to his home in Chase.
And as he neared Peachland area, he spotted an object out on the lake and
he said to his wife, look, there's Ogopogo.
And she laughed at him.
And he got out and started filming the creature.
And what we see in the film is a large animal object moving through the water,
surfacing and submerging at various speeds and at various times.
And it also shows the creature taking off at very high speed, producing a massive
wake.
And this is the footage in the film that I like very much, because you see a creature
just pushing water something terrifically with a massive wake in front, just
creating a huge wave action.
This is believability on my part.
Have there been any recent sightings?
We've had approximately seven to eight sightings this year, but we have one that
has been the very best sight.
Why?
It was the Rieger family.
It was a beautiful day.
The water was just as calm as glass.
And I just took a look across.
I could see a big wave coming.
And at that time I just didn't take much notice of it.
And it kept coming closer and I thought to myself, why would there be a wave coming
if there's no wind or anything?
So I called to my son.
I says, come on back here.
And I says, take a look and see if you think what the heck's coming down the lake
here.
So he took a look at it.
And he says, gee, I don't know.
So we had his grandson.
My grandson was along too.
And he said, hey, Grandpa, he says, that's the Ogopogo.
It would have ran right into us, but we were the boat off alongside.
And then we followed it alongside for about, oh, maybe 15 to 20 minutes.
And I'd say the monster was possibly 14 to 16 feet long, which was above water,
sticking above about 3 feet.
And had quite a hump on the front shoulders and a hump on the back where the
tail went.
And I'd say the tail was approximately, oh, probably 30, 40, maybe 50 feet because
you couldn't see the end of it.
But he did have a long tail.
He had four legs.
And I'd say the monster weighed approximately maybe 30 ton.
And his head, and his head in the front was moving from side to side.
It seemed like he was looking for fish or feeding or something like that.
And he was stirring up a tremendous amount of water.
If I would have never seen it, I would have never believed it.
And actually, I don't care if anybody believes me or not.
But I seen this animal and I know it's here.
And I know it's a tremendous sized animal.
It was some sort of a, we call it a monster fish for lack of a better word.
But it was approximately 30 to 35 feet in length.
And its head was protruding out of the water.
And you could see the flagellation action of the tail and the waves going beyond it.
And I took two pictures of it.
You said it was roughly similar to this?
What was different?
Similar to this.
I couldn't see these fins on the side because that is the fish that I saw or
whatever.
They were not within sight.
I mean, I could only see the head and the neck and the upper part of the body.
This is Kent Hovind from Pensacola, Florida.
I'm here in Canada at the 100 Huntley Street program.
Several years ago, I think 1994, when I was here on the program,
I brought my book from Dr. Roy Mackell, A Living Dinosaur.
And Cal, who is sitting here beside me, Bombay said, he said, I was in Africa and
I saw something like that, a dinosaur.
And I turned to this page, page 256 in Roy Mackell's book.
And Cal, you said, hey, I saw one of those.
Would you take just a few minutes and tell the folks what you saw and where you were
and if they can get a hold of you for any questions.
Just describe what you saw.
Well, it was probably one of the most startling experiences I've ever had.
It was about 1963, I think.
And I was on my way through the old roads of Kenya back to Nairobi to pick up a car.
So I was taking this old Chevrolet that was almost too big for those roads for the
potholes.
And I was going rather slow.
And it was a hilly country near a place called Muhuroni.
And that's down in the Rift Valley, but a hilly part of the Rift Valley.
As we came up over the brow of the hill, my wife was with me.
And suddenly laying there in front of us, right across the road, seven, eight,
nine feet long, was what I thought at first was a crocodile.
And I thought, no, it can't be a crocodile.
This is a dry part of the country.
And then as I looked at it, we slowed down, stopped the car actually,
and stood, sat there for ten minutes looking at this.
And as I looked at it, I thought, this is... I mean, the actual word
prehistoric went through my mind.
I said, this can't be real.
I've seen pictures like this, but not quite like this one.
Anyway, from the tail right through to the back of its head were...
I don't know what you call them.
Serrations, ridges.
Ridges, ridges, like triangles, perfectly, perfect triangles.
All the way from the tail to the head to the tail.
And it was just laying squatted down on the road, seeming to sun.
And so I looked at the thing for ten minutes.
I could shoot myself for not having my camera with me that day, but I wish I had.
But there it was.
And I had never seen anything like it, nor before, nor since.
And I've asked people.
In fact, I went to the natural museum and said, have you ever seen anything or heard
of anything in Kenya of this nature?
And they said, no, there's nothing like that alive today.
I said, I saw something.
And I argued with them really rather intently for a while.
And they said, well, it must have been a figment of your imagination.
Well, my wife and I both saw it.
And we asked for several years, we asked anybody if they'd ever seen
anything like that.
Nobody had, nor have I since.
But there it was laying on the road.
After about ten minutes, it stood up, not quite as high as this drawing,
but it just kind of wandered off into a very dry part of the country, bushy a
little bit.
Not much greenery.
It was a dry time of the year.
And it just took off.
And Mary and I just kind of looked at each other and wondered, saying, what in the
world is this thing?
What color was it?
It was kind of dusty gray.
Could you see the eyes?
Yeah, they'd blink.
In fact, it turned its head and looked at us.
It didn't seem to be afraid of us.
Could you tell from the pupil of the eyeball, was it slotted or round?
Could you see that?
Not that close?
I don't think I was close enough to see that.
Was the shape of the snout like a crocodile?
More like a crocodile than a hippo, say.
It had a long face.
Now, some of the African people I asked, they said, oh, that was a monitor lizard.
Well, I said, impossible.
I've seen many monitor lizards.
I've never seen one nine feet long.
Never as long as that.
And I've actually killed a couple of monitor lizards with my car.
And they're smooth-skinned and no ridges in the back.
I know a monitor lizard when I see one.
This was not a monitor lizard.
This had those ridges down its back.
Could you tell if it had smooth skin or scales?
It looked kind of bumpy, more like an alligator on the sides.
I don't think it had scales.
I can't really be sure.
It's been a lot of years ago.
I mean, this is 1997.
I've been saying for years, there's a few dinosaurs still alive, and your first
thought in your mind was something prehistoric.
Well, of course, I had been preconditioned by all the education that I'd had up until
that time that these things don't exist.
Whatever it is, it can't be a dinosaur.
That's the first thought most people had.
Well, I considered it had to be some kind of a lizard.
Because, you know, you have lizards from this size, little gecko lizards right up
to monitor lizards.
You work here at 100 Huntley Street.
What's the phone number here, so if they have any questions they can call and ask
for Cal Bombay?
My phone number is area code 905 3357100 extension 3206.
Alright, well, call them up if you don't believe it.
I saw it.
I'm still alive.
When I saw this picture, I thought, that's what I saw.
Alright, let's get them to zoom in on this picture if you can real quick and we'll
close out with that.
If you have any questions, we'd be glad to help.
Give us a call if you want more information on dinosaurs.
You let us know and we'll be glad to send you our videotape on creation,
evolution, and dinosaurs.
So that's what you saw that day, 1962.
That's as close as anything I've ever seen.
Well, thank you so much, brother.
I appreciate the time.
God bless you.
Thank you.
Well, thank you for watching this videotape.
For those of you that joined us by video, we want to let you know that you're
welcome to give us a call.
We'll try to answer any questions we can.
We want to help strengthen your faith.
On this tape, we talked about the age of the Earth and what the Garden of Eden was
like.
It's interesting to learn things about dinosaurs and about creation and
evolution.
But it's much more important to know that you personally are going to Heaven.
If you've never trusted Christ as your Savior, or if you're not sure you're going
to Heaven, let me share with you very quickly and simply what the Bible says
about how to go to Heaven.
You don't have to do what God says, but you at least ought to know what's
going on and know what you need to do.
When I was a sophomore in high school in East Peoria, Illinois, I had been raised
in a variety of different churches, but I didn't know if I was going to
Heaven.
I didn't know if I had ever trusted Christ.
I wasn't saved.
And a friend of mine asked me, he said, Kent, do you know if you're going
to Heaven?
I said, no, I sure don't.
He said, well, if I could take the Bible and show you what the Bible says,
would you be interested in knowing?
I said, yeah, I'd like to know about that.
So he took his Bible and showed me three simple verses.
And for the first time in my life, I understood what God wanted.
The Bible says in the book of Romans, chapter 3, in verse number 23,
for all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.
Everybody is a sinner.
My friend looked at me and said, Kent, you are a sinner.
You've done things that God doesn't like.
I said, boy, you can say that again.
And the Bible says everyone is a sinner.
Now some are worse than others in man's eyes, but in God's eyes, one sin makes you
a sinner.
And you're in trouble if you've committed, if you've broken one of God's laws.
You're guilty.
You're a sinner.
Now, in Romans chapter 6, in verse number 23, it tells us, for the wages of sin is
death.
Of course, wages is something you earn.
And wages of sin, what you have earned because of your sin, is you have earned
the death penalty.
You deserve to die and go to hell.
The problem is, God doesn't want you to go to hell.
So to be fair, God has to send everybody to hell because of one sin.
But, He decided to provide a way out.
Jesus Christ came down and died on the cross to pay for your sins.
And now you can accept what He did for you.
So actually, His death pays for your sin.
So my friend showed me, the wages of sin is death.
He said, can't you deserve to die and go to hell?
I said, yeah, I know that.
He said, but, the verse continues, the gift of God is eternal life through
Jesus Christ, our Lord.
You do not get eternal life through the church.
You don't get it through baptism.
You don't get it through being good.
You get eternal life through Jesus Christ.
See, you received, and I received, we received from our parents, a free gift
of physical life.
Somebody else did the work, went through the pain, paid all the bills, and you and
I got free gift, physical life.
Getting born really only takes a few minutes.
Now growing takes a long time.
And getting born into God's family only takes a few minutes.
Growing in God's family takes a long time and requires a lot of effort, like reading
your Bible, going to church, praying, doing those things.
They help you grow to be a good Christian, but they don't make you a Christian.
You only become a Christian if somebody else does the work for you.
If Jesus Christ comes and lives in your heart and makes you a new person.
February 9, 1969, my friend said, Kent, you're a sinner.
I said, yeah, I know that.
He said, according to the Bible, you deserve to die and go to hell.
I said, yes, sir, I know that too.
He said, but God wants to give you a gift, eternal life.
You deserve eternal death.
God wants to give you eternal life.
I said, how do I get it?
He said, watch this, Romans chapter 10 and verse number 13 tells us, for whosoever,
whosoever means anybody, for whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord,
shall be saved.
Doesn't say you might be saved, it says you shall be saved.
Anybody that receives Jesus Christ, they call on Him, they ask Him to forgive
them.
The Bible says in John chapter 1 that if you receive Him, you become a child of
God, you become a son of God.
In John chapter 3 it says, you must be born again.
These things all tie together.
When you receive Christ as your Savior, some people use the expression,
you receive Him into your heart.
When you receive Jesus Christ, when you accept what He has done for you,
you become a child of God.
You receive the new birth.
It just takes a few minutes to say, Jesus, I'm a sinner, would you please
forgive me and save me.
And so February 9th, 1969, I bowed my head and I said, Lord, I'm a sinner.
I know you died for me on the cross, and I'd like you to forgive me.
I'd like you to come live in my heart and save me and forgive me.
Make a new person out of me, would you please, Lord?
I just received Christ as my Savior.
And so that day became my spiritual birthday into God's family.
I'm now a child of God, have been for quite a while.
And if I do something wrong, I cannot go to hell because I've received the gift of
eternal life, and eternal life lasts forever.
But as God's child, I can receive his punishment.
See, I'm in God's family now, and it's treated very different.
A family matter if I do some sin.
Whereas before, I would have been...
God would have been my judge.
It was a legal matter if I had sinned.
But now my sins are paid for.
So when I tell people I'm going to heaven, it's not because I'm so good, it's because
my sins are forgiven.
You can have the same thing.
If you'll accept Jesus Christ as your Savior right now, He'll forgive your sin,
and save you, and take you to heaven.
In this session, we talk about creation, and evolution, and dinosaurs, and carbon
dating, and all those things that are interesting.
But it's not going to matter if you go to hell.
Please, check your heart.
If you've not trusted Christ as your Savior, why don't you ask Him to save you
right now?
Just bow your head and pray a simple prayer like I prayed in 1969.
There's no magic words.
God knows what's in your heart.
But if you'd like to receive Christ, why don't you pray something like this
along with me.
Just pray and say, Dear Lord Jesus, I know that I'm a sinner.
I believe you died for me on the cross.
And I'd like to ask you to forgive me.
I now receive you as my Savior.
In Jesus' name.
Amen.
Well folks, Romans 10.13 says, Whosoever shall call upon the name of the
Lord shall be saved.
If you just received Christ, you've got God's promise.
You're going to heaven.
And God's promises last forever.
So, if you've just done that, why don't you call or write or email me and let me
know.
My name and address will come up on the screen.
You can get a hold of me and let me know.
You just received Christ as your Savior and we can rejoice with you.
Once you receive Christ, now that makes you born into God's family.
That's just the beginning.
Growing requires a lot of work.
You're going to need to read your Bible.
Go to a good Bible believing church.
Start telling others about Jesus.
And there's all sorts of things.
And I'll be glad to be a help if I can be.
Thank you so much.
We hope you enjoy this video series.
What you're about to hear is an audio tape made of apparently the roaring of the
creature in the Congo swamp, the natives call Mokele Mbembe, which would be one of
the few living dinosaurs.
The sound appears to have a flapping or slapping sound near the end of each roar.
Some have speculated that this may be similar to the gecko lizard that makes a
little roaring sound and then the flap of skin under its throat slaps back against
the throat making the slapping sound.
That's the best so far we have on this.
If you hear any more, please let me know.
I hope you enjoy it.
Thank you for watching.