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You know for many years the existence of
dinosaur fossils was thought to be a

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problem for creationists and for the
biblical account of creation.

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Hi, my name is Eric.

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And what you are about to see is a
powerful seminar that combines the last 30

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years of research done by Dr. Hovind.

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It's in a field called cryptozoology,
which is the study of hidden animals.

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The seminar is titled, Dinosaurs and the
Bible.

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Welcome to our third videotape,
our session on Dinosaurs and the Bible.

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And we'll just refresh for the folks that
haven't been here yet.

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This is not my wife.

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That's just a picture of her.

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We live in Pensacola, Florida.

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We have three kids, all married and the
dog died.

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I made it.

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I'm home free.

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It's wonderful.

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And all three of my kids work for me and
two grandkids and more come in all the

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time.

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This fellow at National Geographic says,
No human being has ever seen a live

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dinosaur.

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Well now, hold on just a minute.

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Does he know that or does he think that?

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He thinks that.

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There's no way anybody can know that
unless they talk to everybody that ever

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lived.

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Did he talk to you before he wrote that?

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Did he talk to Adam and Eve before he
wrote that?

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I doubt it.

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He says nobody's ever seen one.

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He might believe that, but that's not part
of science, folks.

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The Bible says in the beginning God
created the heaven and the earth.

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And the Bible says pretty clearly in
Exodus 20, in six days the Lord made

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heaven and earth, the sea and all that in
them is.

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What do you suppose he meant by that?

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He wrote that on a rock with his finger.

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That's part of the Ten Commandments.

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It looks to me like he's trying to tell us
that he made it all in six days,

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which means Adam must have seen dinosaurs.

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The Bible says there was no death until
Adam sinned.

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Your textbook says dinosaurs died before
man got here.

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Somebody is seriously wrong.

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We're going to discuss today who it is.

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In the last session we talked about what
the Garden of Eden was like.

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The Bible says when God made the world,
He said, let there be a firmament in the

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midst of the waters, and let it divide the
waters from the waters.

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There used to be a layer of water above
the atmosphere.

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Some people think it was ice.

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I don't know if it's solid liquid or gas.

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I don't know.

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Water comes in three flavors.

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But somehow there was water up there.

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How it was up there, I don't know.

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The Bible says it was, and I believe that.

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I think there are some reasonable theories
of how it might have been up there.

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It could have been ice suspended by the
magnetic field of the earth.

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That's one theory.

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But the Bible says there was water above
the firmament.

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Also the Bible says most of the water
that's now in the oceans used to be under

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the crust of the earth.

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If you read Psalm 24, it says the earth is
the Lord's.

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He founded it upon the seas and
established it upon the floods.

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Psalm 136, He stretched out the earth
above the waters.

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Most of the water that's now on the
surface, oceans, used to be in the crust.

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Big subterranean water chambers.

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I think when Adam and Eve were here the
world was mostly land and a small

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percentage of water.

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Today it's 70% water and mostly land.

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And even that land that we have is only 3%
habitable for mankind.

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3% of the world's surface is habitable for
mankind.

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Most of it is ice caps, deserts,
under water.

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God designed it to be inhabited.

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What we see today is a junkyard compared
to what Adam and Eve saw.

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So there was water under the crust of the
earth.

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That water that used to be under the crust
came shooting to the surface when the

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fountains of the deep broke open.

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So from the creation up until the flood
things were very different.

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During that time everything lived over 900
years.

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You could learn a lot in 900 years.

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Did you know that Adam spoke every
language in the world?

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There was only one, but he spoke it.

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Reptiles never stop growing.

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It's just a simple biological fact.

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Reptiles grow all their life.

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People stop growing.

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When you are 16 or 18 you are going to
quit growing.

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At least vertically.

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Some go horizontally afterwards.

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But reptiles never stop growing.

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Now what would happen to a reptile if you
put him in the Garden of Eden and let him

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live to be 900 years old?

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You'd have a big lizard, a really big
lizard.

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Dinosaurs were giant reptiles that lived
with Adam and Eve before the flood.

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They did not live millions of years ago.

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They were pre-flood, not prehistoric.

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So if this is all true, did Noah take
dinosaurs on the Ark?

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They asked Billy Graham, were there
dinosaurs on Noah's Ark?

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He said, no, apparently not.

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Noah's Ark did not include dinosaurs
because they were extinct before man got

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here.

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Oh, Billy, now you have got death before
sin.

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I love Billy Graham.

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Praise God for the good he has done.

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But folks, he is wrong about that one.

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Dinosaurs on the Ark?

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Man, I hope he kept the woodpeckers in a
steel cage of some kind.

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Some people say, what do you mean
dinosaurs on the Ark?

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They are kind of big, aren't they?

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Well, the big ones were big, but the
little ones were little.

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And Noah was 600 years old when he built
that boat.

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I just bet he was smart enough to figure
out you do not have to bring the biggest

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ones you can find.

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Bring two babies.

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Just be sure to get a pink one and a blue
one.

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That will be important later.

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There are all kinds of reasons for
bringing babies on the Ark.

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You bring babies because they are smaller.

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The biggest dinosaur egg ever found is
smaller than a football.

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You bring babies because they weigh less.

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They eat less.

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They sleep a lot more.

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They are tougher.

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Kids fall down and bounce and get up and
keep running.

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Adults fall down and break or lay there
for a while.

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Plus you bring babies because after the
flood they are going to live longer to

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produce more offspring and that is why you
are bringing them.

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So it makes common sense to bring babies.

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Why would you bring big elephants on the
Ark?

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Why bring big giraffes?

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Bring babies.

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Hello?

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Plus he only had to bring two of every
sort.

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Not two of every single variety.

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Just two of the basic kinds of animals.

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He said in Genesis 7, bring them after
their kind, after their kind, after their

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kind, after their kind.

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I mean the Bible is pretty clear.

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There was the basic kinds of animals and
only those in whose nostrils was the

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breath of life.

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And only those on dry land.

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Noah did not have to bring any fish on the
Ark.

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They had plenty of water outside.

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He also did not have to bring any bugs on
the Ark because bugs do not have nostrils.

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They breathe through their skin,
through spiracles.

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Hey, bugs can survive a flood just fine.

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On floating log mats or floating dead
carcasses or something or burrow in the

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mud.

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Go any place where there has been a flood.

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After the water runs off, walk out into
the mud and tell me the first thing you

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notice.

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Bugs bite a gazillions, right?

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Noah brought two of the basic kinds of
animals on the Ark.

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Noah probably never saw a chihuahua in his
life.

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He just brought generic dogs like our dog
Nicky.

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We had Nicky for 12 years before we even
knew what kind he was.

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A friend of mine came to my house one day
and said, Oh hey, Brother Hovind,

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you have a canardly.

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I said, A what?

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He said, Your dog, that is a canardly.

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I said, Really?

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He said, Yeah, look at it.

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You can already tell what kind of dog it
is.

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How many of you have a full blooded
canardly at home?

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There we go.

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So just generic animals.

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This Mexican textbook says the horse and
the zebra had a common ancestor.

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I agree.

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And it looked like a horse.

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Four wheel drive, genuine leather
upholstery, all the standard equipment.

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It was a horse kind of animal.

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So the basic kinds that were on the Ark.

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Not every species.

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Skeptics will say, How did he fit those
millions of animals on that little bitty

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boat?

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Now hold on just a minute.

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He only brought the land animals.

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Bring those with nostrils, no bugs.

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Bring babies, that is common sense.

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Bring two of each kind.

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Not every single species or variety.

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Plus, how many were there?

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Many experts will tell you there are about
8,000 basic kinds of animals in the world.

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Just basic kinds of animals.

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I talk pretty fast.

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I can get going 300 words a minute when I
get excited.

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But did you know if you just talk 60 words
per minute, you could name all 8,000

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animals in a little over two hours.

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Some people say, Adam couldn't name all
the animals in one day.

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Are you kidding?

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You can name them in about an hour.

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Dog kind, cat kind, hippo kind,
giraffe kind, elephant kind.

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Plus Adam had an IQ of who knows what.

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I mean he came pre-programmed straight
from the hand of God.

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He could walk, talk, name the animals and
get married all first day.

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Really smart fellow.

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Plus, how big was the Ark?

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The atheists will say, he couldn't put
those animals on the Ark.

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And I say, really, how many were there?

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They say, we don't know.

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Oh, well how big was the Ark?

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They'll say, well, we don't know.

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All we know is he couldn't do it.

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Oh, I see.

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Is that the way this works?

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Yeah.

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Well, beats what they believe.

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They believe 18 or 20 billion years ago,
nothing exploded in the Big Bang and made

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everything.

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And then 4.6 billion years ago,
the Earth cooled down and a rocky surface

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was created.

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Yes, boys and girls, the planet Earth
cooled and a rocky surface was created.

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This is what the textbooks teach.

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And as Earth formed, it was like the moon.

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It was hot and there were large pools of
bubbling lava.

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But slowly, rocks absorbed the oxygen.

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Notice this textbook says, the percentage
of oxygen was zero, but the rocks absorbed

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it.

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I wondered about that when I said,
that's a college textbook.

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Yeah, there was nothing there,
but they absorbed it all, right?

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So the rocks absorbed the oxygen and then
it began to rain on the rocks.

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Oh man, oceans formed as it rained for
millions of years.

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Millions of years of torrential rains
created great oceans.

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And swirling in the waters of the oceans
is a bubbling broth of complex chemicals.

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Progress from a complex chemical soup to a
living organism is very slow.

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Boy, I guess it is.

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It's totally stopped.

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Doesn't even happen.

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That's how slow it is.

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This book says, the first self-replicating
systems must have emerged in this organic

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soup.

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So their theory says, 20 billion years
ago, big bang.

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4.6 billion years ago, the earth cooled
down.

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It rained on the rocks for millions of
years, turned them into soup, and the soup

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came alive 3 billion years ago.

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And that first life form found somebody to
marry.

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Now there's a good trick.

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And something to eat, of course.

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And slowly evolved into everything we see
today.

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So great, great, great, great,
great, great, great, great grandpa was

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soup.

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They asked me to speak at this college in
Boston one time.

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They said, you can speak to our students
if our professors can ask you any

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questions they want.

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Because we like to show the students how
dumb you Christians really are.

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I said, I would be honored to come for
that.

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So I got there and there were six
professors and all their students in the

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room.

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I felt like Daniel in the lion's den.

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I said, folks, I've got my charts out
here.

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And I said, I believe the Bible.

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The Bible says God made everything 6,000
years ago.

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4,400 years ago there was a big flood.

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It destroyed the world.

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Noah saved two of each kind.

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Not every species, just the basic kinds on
the ark.

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Now since then there's been a whole lot of
varieties produced.

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You know, big dogs, little dogs,
curly hair, straight hair.

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No question.

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But just basic kinds on the ark.

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And then I told them what they believe.

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Because most of them don't know what they
believe.

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You've got to tell them.

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You guys believe 20 billion years ago,
a big bang.

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4.6 billion years ago the earth cooled
down.

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It rained on the rocks for millions of
years.

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Turned them into soup and the soup came
alive 3 billion years ago.

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One professor was getting kind of upset
about that time.

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He said, Hovind, do you realize there are
hundreds of varieties of dogs in the

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world?

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I said, yes sir, there's a bunch.

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He said, do you mean to tell me that all
those dogs came from only two dogs on

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Noah's ark?

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Do you expect me to believe that?

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I said, sir, would you look at what you're
teaching your students?

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You're teaching your students that all the
dogs in the world came from a rock.

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He didn't have any more questions after
that.

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I was in a debate one time and afterwards
this lady came up to me and she said,

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she was obviously upset.

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She said, tonight you said that we believe
we come from a rock.

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We do not believe that.

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I said, ma'am, just calm down.

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You're about to blow a gasket.

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I said, ma'am, do you believe in
evolution?

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She said, yes, I do.

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I'm a professor here at the university.

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I said, okay, then tell me, where did we
come from?

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She said, we came from a macromolecule.

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I said, and where did that come from?

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She said, from the oceans, from the
prebiotic soup.

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I said, where did that come from?

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She said, well, it rained on the rocks for
millions of years.

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It was so cool.

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You could see it was slowly dawning on
her.

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You know, I do believe I come from a rock,
don't I?

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Yes, ma'am, you certainly do.

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Yeah, I found her life verse.

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Saying to a stock, thou art my father.

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To a stone, thou hast brought me forth.

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There's grandpa.

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Yep.

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I found my daddy's life verse.

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Lord have mercy on my son, for he is a
lunatic and sore vexed.

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Anyway, the Bible says the earth was
filled with violence.

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Everybody was wicked.

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All flesh had corrupted his way.

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Everything was corrupt.

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And God said to Noah, the end of all flesh
has come before me.

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The earth is filled with violence through
them.

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Behold, I will destroy them with the
earth.

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Make thee an ark.

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And so Noah said to his boys, boys,
go for wood.

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We've got to build a boat.

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And so they went and got all this wood,
and they built this big boat.

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Now after the flood was over, Noah's son
had a son and named him Arphaxad.

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Why would anybody name a kid Arphaxad?

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Can't you see that kid in kindergarten?

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What's your name, Arphaxad?

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You know how to spell it?

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No?

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Nobody does.

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Don't you think one day little Arphaxad is
getting big enough, he's sitting on

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grandpa's lap like kids do, and he looks
around and he says, hey grandpa,

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I have a question.

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How come we're the only people in the
whole world?

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Where is everybody?

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Eventually that thought is going to cross
his mind, and grandpa is going to tell him

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the story about the flood.

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Actually, his daddy is going to live long
enough to tell that story to Abraham,

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Isaac, and Jacob.

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They lived a long time back there folks,
right after the flood.

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And today there are 270 surviving flood
legends.

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They're still telling the story about the
flood in many cultures that have never

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heard of the Bible.

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You know the Hawaiians had a legend that
said, long after the death of Kunihana,

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the first man, the world became a wicked,
terrible place to live.

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There was one good man left.

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His name was Nu'u.

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He made a great canoe with a house on it
and filled it with animals.

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The waters came up over all the earth and
killed all the people.

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Only Nu'u and his family were saved.

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Interesting.

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One family saved in a giant canoe.

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That sounds kind of like the Bible story,
doesn't it?

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The Chinese have a story called the
Haiqing Classic.

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It's one of the oldest stories in the
world.

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It says the father of their civilization
is a guy named Fuhai.

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The story says, Fuhai, his wife,
three sons, and three daughters escaped a

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great flood.

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After the flood, they were the only people
alive on earth.

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And they repopulated the world.

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That sounds kind of like the Bible story
too, doesn't it?

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The Tolec Indians in Mexico have a legend
that says, the first world lasted 1,716

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years and was destroyed by a flood that
covered the highest mountains.

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Only one family named Coxcox survived.

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1,716 years.

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Well, you know, the Bible dates add up to
1,656.

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But that's not bad for a legend four
thousand years old.

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I just suspect maybe even the Atlantis
story is another flood legend.

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As far as the people on the ark were
concerned, the whole world sank beneath

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the waves.

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Why would there be 270 surviving flood
legends today?

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Oh, I think it's because there was a
flood.

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That's my theory.

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It's not too complicated.

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If you look at the country of Turkey,
on the far right-hand side there's a

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mountain called Mount Ararat.

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On a Turkish map, this is called
Noah-on-Gumshi, which means Noah's Big

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Boat.

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They've got signs, you drive right up to
it.

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This way to Noah's Big Boat.

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Five kilometers.

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The Bible says the ark rested in the
seventh month.

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Now that's interesting.

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Some of the skeptics will say,
Noah, the flood lasted a year.

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The flood didn't last a year.

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Noah was in the ark for a year.

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But parts of the ground were probably only
underwater for a few weeks or a few

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months, just long enough to drown
everybody.

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The ark actually hit bottom in the seventh
month.

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Now why didn't he get out until the 13th
month?

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We cover all that on video number 6,
all the reasons why he stayed in the ark.

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The Bible says the ark rested in the
seventh month upon the mountains,

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plural, mountains of Ararat.

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The Bible does not say the ark landed on
Mount Ararat.

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It could have, I don't know, but it
doesn't say that.

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There are at least four theories of what
happened to Noah's ark.

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Some people say they took it apart and
used the lumber for buildings.

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After all, when Noah got off the ark,
how big were the trees outside?

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About this big, right?

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Pretty tough to build a house out of.

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Some people say it rotted.

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It fell apart.

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It's gone.

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Could be.

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Some people say it's still on the
mountain.

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And they're always going over there
looking for it.

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And they always come back and say,
boy, we just almost found it.

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We'll try again next year.

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And it could be.

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I don't know.

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Other people think it's not even on the
mountain.

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It's down in the valley.

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Those who think it's on the mountain go
over there looking for it.

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And they always say, it could be here,
it could be here, it could be here.

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And they're always looking for it.

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And I'm not against that at all.

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But I'm just telling you, there's no
absolute scientific proof that it's even

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on the mountain.

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Other folks think it's not even there.

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They think it's down in the valley.

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Because the chances of something landing
on a mountain as the mountains are rising

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or the water's running off, the chances
are close to zero.

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Try it in a bathtub.

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Bring something up under a floating
object.

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It'll float off to the side.

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It's more likely to land in what's called
a nested area between a bunch of mountains

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and the water can slowly drain off.

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Many people think that the 1960 photograph
showed a boat-shaped object that could

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have been Noah's Ark.

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As they examined it, then in 1978,
an earthquake lifted it up out of the

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ground or the ground fell away or whatever
happened.

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It's now sticking up out of the ground
about 10 feet or 15 feet.

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They think that's Noah's Ark.

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Right there, that boat-shaped object.

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I've had people tell me, that's not Noah's
Ark because when mud flows around an

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object it makes a teardrop shape.

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Well, I understand that.

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I taught physics.

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I know how that works.

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At the front end of an airplane wing is
rounded, the back end is pointed.

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But this one is facing backwards.

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There are two more teardrop shapes like
that, but the round end is uphill.

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On this one the pointed end is uphill.

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This is not a mud flow.

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Many folks think that's Noah's Ark.

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I knew Ron Wyatt.

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He died in 1999, but he was a good friend
of mine.

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We differed on quite a few little things,
but he was a good guy.

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He loved the Lord.

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He and many other folks thought that was
Noah's Ark.

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They did a lot of studies on that and
said, yeah, we think that's the Ark.

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They say it collapsed on itself,
folded out to the side, with ground

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penetrating radar.

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They found what they said were deck
timbers in there.

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They found iron rivets that bolted this
thing together.

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They've got some in the museum south of
Nashville.

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I've held the rivets in my hand.

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Go to Cornersville, Tennessee.

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As soon as you get off the interstate,
there is an old abandoned gas station,

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or converted gas station right there,
into the museum about Noah's Ark.

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The government of Turkey said,
yep, that's Noah's Ark down in the valley.

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They built a visitor center.

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Now, there have been some creationist
organizations that say, no, it's not

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Noah's Ark, and we don't like you because
you even say it might be.

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OK, I'm sorry.

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If I ever start working for you,
I'll do what you say.

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But meanwhile, I'm going to tell folks,
I think it's a possibility that it could

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be Noah's Ark.

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The Bible says the Ark will be 300 cubits
long.

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Now, a cubit is elbow to fingertip.

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I'm 6'1", my cubit is 21 inches.

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The standard Hebrew cubit was 18 inches.

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The standard Egyptian cubit is 20.6.

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That boat-shaped object is 20.6 inches
times 300, or 515 feet long.

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So that doesn't prove it's Noah's Ark,
but it could be.

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It's in the right place, it's about the
right shape, and it's about the right

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length.

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It's about two-thirds the size of the
Titanic.

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Makes it about almost two football fields
long.

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Pretty good-sized boat.

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In that region, they found 12 big rocks
that weigh about 9,000 pounds apiece.

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These rocks have holes in the top.

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Apparently, that hole was to hold a rope.

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And this rock was held over the side of
the boat.

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10 or 12, or who knows how many.

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They found 12, could have been more.

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That's called a drogestone.

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If you hang a bunch of rocks all around
the boat, the boat becomes more stable

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during stormy weather.

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It's like a whole bunch of shock absorbers
to keep the boat flat, you know,

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to keep your platform flat.

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If it really gets windy, they'll drag
behind you and it turns the boat

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perpendicular to the waves.

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Now you can't roll over, capsize.

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That's real dangerous in high seas.

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One atheist wrote me a letter and said,
Hovind, I heard your seminar about Noah's

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Ark having rocks hanging all over the
side.

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He said, you are so stupid.

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Don't you know if he had rocks hanging all
over the boat, it would slow him down?

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I wrote back and said, where was he going?

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He's not trying to go anywhere.

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He's just trying to float.

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And I'm stupid, yeah.

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I debated a former preacher who turned
atheist.

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And he said, you can't build a boat more
than three hundred feet long because it'll

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break going over the waves.

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He said, they built a ship one time that
had six masts, you know, a six master.

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And it twisted the boat so bad it leaked
all the time, they finally had to give it

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up.

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Noah's Ark didn't have any masts,
hello.

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It's designed to float, not to sail.

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Probably a big barge of some kind,
I don't know.

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He said, when the waves come up,
it bends and breaks in the middle.

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Well, a lot of boats over three hundred
feet long have been built out of wood and

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survived.

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The Chinese had some really big ones many
years ago, out of wood.

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Plus, if you put a moon pool in the boat,
that solves the problem.

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A moon pool is a hole in the floor with
walls up on the inside, of course,

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so the boat doesn't sink.

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And as you go over the waves, this
relieves the stress.

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Now the water actually comes up inside the
boat part way.

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A moon pool is a pretty cool idea.

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As the water goes up and down in that
hole, it would be relieving the stress.

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It's a great place to dump your garbage
too, by the way, inside the boat,

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out of the rain.

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Thirdly, it acts like a giant piston to
pump fresh air in and out of the boat,

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every time you hit a wave.

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Remember what he had in the basement?

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You might pray for a good wave once in a
while.

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So anyway, when the dinosaurs got off the
Ark, what happened to them?

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If the Bible story is true, as I say that
it is, Noah had to have dinosaurs on the

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Ark so what happened to them?

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What made the dinosaurs go extinct?

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That's a question they are always asking
the kids in school.

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There are at least 16 theories floating
around the textbooks.

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They'll say, kids, maybe a meteor struck
the Yucatan Peninsula 65 million years

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ago.

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Well, another guy from Indiana has got a
cool theory.

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He says the dinosaurs killed themselves
off with their own flatulence.

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He said they couldn't stand the heat.

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I don't know what to do about a theory
like that.

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But what made the dinosaurs go extinct?

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Hey, they are asking the wrong question.

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The question is not what made them go
extinct.

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The question is, did they go extinct?

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You know, the liberals are really good at
getting us to argue about the wrong topic.

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They are always asking me, should we teach
creation in public schools?

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I say that is a good question and I would
be glad to discuss it.

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However, there is another question we need
to ask first.

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Should we have public schools?

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Now, let's ask that one first.

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I praise God for the good, godly public
school teachers.

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My mother was a public school teacher and
retired.

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My brother is in his 34th year teaching
public school.

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He led me to the Lord.

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There are many good, godly public school
teachers, okay?

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But folks, the books they work from,
the curriculum, is corrupt.

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Unfixable, I think.

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If you love your kids, and you possibly
can, get them out.

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I don't think it is fixable.

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Praise God for the good teachers who are
going to slug it out in there.

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And I am for you, and I want to help.

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Okay, but I don't think it is fixable.

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Bottom line, if you want to find out why
we have a public school system,

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our 10th Amendment to the Constitution
says the federal government has no

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business being involved in education.

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But we have a public school system as part
of a bigger, long-range plan toward a new

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world order.

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That is Karl Marx's idea, Communist
Manifesto Plank No.

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10, free public education.

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We will cover more on that on Seminar Part
5, and also on our college class,

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CSE 102.

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You don't want to watch that one.

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That is politically incorrect.

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Anyway, when the dinosaurs got off the
ark, they faced a very hostile climate.

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Things had changed.

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Remember before the flood, they lived over
900 years?

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After the flood, only 400, and then 200,
and then 100.

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Something changed after the flood,
folks.

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The canopy of water that used to protect
them was gone.

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And you are not going to make it to 100,
or 200 for sure.

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You might make it to 100, but you won't
make it to 200.

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Not in this world.

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Dinosaurs had two serious problems after
the flood.

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Number one, the climate was a lot
different.

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They just couldn't live long enough to get
big enough to reproduce in many cases.

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So some species probably went extinct in
the first few generations.

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Second problem, I think, was worse.

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People hunted them.

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Back in those days, they called them
dragons.

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They didn't call them dinosaur,
because the word dinosaur wasn't made up

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until 1841.

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So for most of human history, they called
them dragons.

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Dragons are mentioned in the Bible 35
times.

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And as the population began to grow after
the flood, the population of dragons began

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to go down, because nobody wants to live
next door to a dragon.

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The same thing happened right here in
Milwaukee, Wisconsin.

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How many grizzly bears are roaming loose
in the woods in this county right here?

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Zero, right?

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How many grizzly bears were roaming around
the Milwaukee area 500 years ago?

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Probably a whole bunch of them.

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Well, what happened?

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As people move in and civilize an area,
the big, ferocious creatures are driven

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off or killed off.

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It happens all the time.

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If it came on the evening news tonight
that there were five grizzly bears roaming

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around Milwaukee, Wisconsin, do you know
what would happen by six o'clock in the

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morning?

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Every redneck in four counties would be
out there with a rifle trying to shoot

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them.

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Right?

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And whoever could shoot the biggest one
would be a hero.

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They'd put his picture in the paper.

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Hey, Bubba shot the grizzly bear and saved
the village.

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That's exactly what would happen.

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Well, that's what happened to the dragons.

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Man, if you could figure out a way to kill
a dragon, you'd be a hero.

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They'd tell stories about you around the
campfire for generations to come.

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And there are thousands of stories of
people killing dragons.

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They killed them off for meat.

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There'd be a lot of hamburger and one
brachiosaurus.

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They killed them for medicine.

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It's amazing how many ancient recipes call
for dragon bones to be ground up and put

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in with the medicine.

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Lots of legends tell of people killing
dragons.

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Gilgamesh supposedly slew a dragon.

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A Chinese guy named Yu slew dragons that
were bothering them as they tried to

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expand the territory and drain off the
swamps and make the land of China livable

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again.

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They had to drive off the snakes and
dragons.

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The Babylonian god Marduk is shown
pictured on top of a dragon.

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Possibly a fire-breathing dragon.

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You say, oh, you don't believe in
fire-breathing dragons, do you?

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Oh, yeah.

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Bible talks about a fiery flying serpent.

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Book of Job has a whole chapter,
Job 41, about Leviathan, the

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fire-breathing dragon.

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It says, Out of his mouth go burning
lamps, and sparks of fire leap out.

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Out of his nostrils go a smoke.

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I've seen deacons do that at Southern
Baptist churches.

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As out of a seething pot or cauldron,
his breath kindleth coals, and a flame

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goeth out of his mouth.

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There really was a fire-breathing dragon.

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In our green series of tapes, the topical
ones, we've got a whole tape out there,

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an hour and a half, about Leviathan,
the fire-breathing dragon.

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If you get a Catholic Bible, you find the
book of Daniel has two extra chapters.

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Daniel 13 and 14.

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It's part of the apocryphal books.

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It shouldn't be in Scripture.

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It's interesting reading, but it's not
part of Scripture.

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It says, There was a great dragon in the
place, and the Babylonians worshipped him.

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And the king said to Daniel, Behold,
thou canst not say now that this is not a

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living God.

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Adore him therefore.

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And Daniel said, I adore the Lord my God,
for he is the living God, but that is no

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living God.

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But give me leave, it means give me
permission, O king, and I will kill this

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dragon without sword or club.

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And the king said, I give thee leave.

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Then Daniel took pitch, and fat,
and hair, and boiled them together,

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and made lumps, and put them into the
dragon's mouth.

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And the dragon burst asunder.

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What a strange story.

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Let me give you the Hovind translation of
what's going on here.

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The Bible tells us Daniel was a man who
understood science.

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He knew full well that pitch is made from
tree sap, and it's very sticky.

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They used to have whole industries in
America just making pitch to use to

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waterproof ships.

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They would coat them with pitch made from
tree sap, particularly pine.

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And fat is very salty tasting,
and just about all animals like salty

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tasting things.

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Hunters put out salt licks for the deer,
right?

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Or cat cattle have like salt licks.

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And hair won't digest.

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He mixed them all together, tossed them
in.

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The dragon liked the taste, swallowed
them, but they wouldn't digest.

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And these were the days before
Roto-Rooter, and so he burst asunder.

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You figure it out.

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Anyway, so now I'm insane.

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Now, Hussein thinks he is Nebuchadnezzar
reincarnated.

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The guy has a serious ego problem.

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He thinks he is Nebuchadnezzar brought
back to life.

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By the way, did you ever notice George
Bush always called him Saddam Hussein?

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There's a reason for that.

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I've been told anyway the word Saddam
means prince.

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Saddam, spelled the same way, means
horse's rear end.

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But Saddam thinks he is Nebuchadnezzar
reincarnated.

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He's got his picture in front of
Nebuchadnezzar on their currency over

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there, their gold coins.

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He spent a fortune rebuilding the ancient
city of Babylon.

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Did you know ancient Babylon has been
rebuilt?

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They always knew where the city was.

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It was destroyed about 600 BC.

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But when Babylon was just buried in the
sand, forget about it, they dug it out.

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And the sand had really preserved the
bricks extremely well.

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The old brick walls of the ancient city of
Babylon were very well preserved in the

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dry sand over there.

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And they found carvings of lions and
carvings of dragons.

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Now, how did they know about dragons in
600 BC?

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Well, that had been almost 2,000 years
since the flood.

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So from the flood up until Nebuchadnezzar
reign is 1,800 years.

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Probably most dinosaurs were gone by then.

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But I think a few were still around.

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And he had one in a cage, apparently.

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In 300 BC, Alexander the Great reported
his soldiers were scared by dragons when

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they conquered part of India.

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This Roman mosaic was made in the 2nd
century after Christ.

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It shows two long-necked dragons fighting
or kissing.

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Boy, that would be necking, wouldn't it?

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Wow.

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Anyway, how did the Romans know about
dragons in the 2nd century after Christ?

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St. George is famous for slaying dragons
in 275 AD.

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He finally got killed because he was a
Christian.

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Beowulf slew dragons.

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You ought to try to read the Beowulf story
in Old English.

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We sell the book only because it's such
interesting reading.

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The Old English is, I think, impossible to
read.

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That's English, folks, from 1,500 years
ago.

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Our language has changed a little bit,
okay?

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Probably the peak of the English language
was about 400 years ago when Shakespeare

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and God chose to make the King James and
all that stuff about that time.

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About the peak of the English language.

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But the Beowulf story says Beowulf killed
Grendel the dragon by pulling off one of

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its arms, and the creature bled to death.

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Strange story.

32:25.400 --> 32:29.200
You know, they found a Babylonian cylinder
seal showing a guy pulling the arm off a

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dragon.

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There are dragon legends from countries
all over the world.

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Ancient pottery, like this one,
probably one of the oldest pieces of

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pottery on planet Earth, from the first
dynasty of Egypt, shows two long-necked

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dragons.

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Looks like dinosaurs to me.

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Here's another one showing two long-necked
dinosaurs holding a sheep between their

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mouths.

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This hippo tusk was found in an ancient
Egyptian tomb from the 12th century B.C.

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It shows an animal with a long neck and a
long tail.

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Why would there be dragon legends from
countries all over the world?

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Thailand has many legends of the dragon.

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China, of course, is famous for its dragon
legends.

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The gargoyle that you see on the corners
of the buildings in Europe, you know,

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apparently came from the story of a
gargoyle.

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They called it a dragon.

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They came up out of the water in France.

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That's where the gargoyle legend comes
from.

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Here's a Russian medallion.

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Shows a man killing a dragon.

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This Bulgarian postage stamp shows a guy
killing a dragon.

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An Irish writer said they killed a dragon
with iron nails on its tail.

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Well, the stegosaurus had awful big spikes
on his tail.

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We've got a copy of one in our museum
there.

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And there are dragon heads found on the
ships that the Vikings used to sail

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around.

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Here's a Viking woodcut showing a dragon
swallowing a man.

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Taken from a book called Vikings by Tony
Allen.

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11th century picture.

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That's just 900 years ago.

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They were still talking about dragons
swallowing people.

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The Vikings put dragon heads on their
ships.

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Interesting.

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Get the book After the Flood by Bill
Cooper.

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Excellent book about what happened to
Noah's sons and how they spread out.

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If you like the genealogy type stuff,
he's really brilliant at that.

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But he mentions many of these ancient
people talking about having to fight

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dragons.

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You can get that book from our ministry or
on our website, drdino.com.

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Siegfried, the famous Norwegian hero,
slew the dragon Fafner about 1,000 years

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ago.

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Marco Polo lived in China about 800 years
ago, 750 years ago.

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And said the emperor in China was raising
dragons to pull chariots in his parades.

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Why would he come back and tell a story
like that?

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Well, I think it's because the emperor was
raising dragons to pull chariots in his

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parades.

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That's my theory of why he said that.

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Did you know in 1611, the old Chinese law
books tell about they appointed the post

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of royal dragon feeder?

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Why do you need a royal dragon feeder?

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Let me guess.

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To feed the dragon.

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Yeah, right.

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A city in France was renamed Nerluc to
honor the man who slew the dragon.

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The Indians used to carve pictures on the
cliffs of Grand Canyon and all the canyons

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out there.

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One of the pictures they found shows a
dinosaur.

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Now, how did the Indians know about
dinosaurs to carve their pictures on the

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walls of the Grand Canyon?

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Well, maybe they hunted dinosaurs.

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In 1925, some scientists went down one of
the canyons out west, just exploring that

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region.

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And here's what they wrote.

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The fact that some prehistoric man made a
pictograph of a dinosaur on the walls of

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this canyon upsets completely all of our
theories.

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Oh, you poor fellow.

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They upset his theories.

35:38.000 --> 35:40.760
He said, facts are stubborn and immutable
things.

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If theories do not square with the facts,
the theories must change.

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The facts remain.

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I agree.

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That's the way science is supposed to
work.

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You can have any theory you want.

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But if the facts don't square with your
theory, throw your theory away.

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They would have thrown out evolution a
long time ago, except they don't have a

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replacement theory other than,
you know, maybe creation.

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He goes on and he says, About a year ago,
a photograph of a dinosaur was shown to a

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scientist of national repute who was then
specializing in dinosaurs.

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He said, it's not a dinosaur.

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It's impossible.

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Because we know dinosaurs were extinct 12
million years before man appeared on

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Earth.

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I want you to notice, he said,
dinosaurs went extinct 12 million years.

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Right?

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Today, they tell the kids 65 million
years.

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I've been studying the inflation of the
age of the Earth.

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Did you know in 1770, the textbooks say
the Earth was 70,000 years old?

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Some of them do.

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You go to 1905 textbooks, they say the
Earth is 2 billion years old.

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In 1969, the textbooks say the Earth is
3.5 billion years old.

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Today, it says 4.6 billion.

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Did you know the Earth is getting older at
the rate of 21 million years per year?

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That's 40 years per minute.

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Aging rapidly, folks.

36:57.740 --> 37:01.080
Go to Blanding, Utah, and you can see
carvings of dinosaurs on the cliffs there.

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Here's a painting found in Australia by an
aboriginal, showing a native running away

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from a long-necked, round-bodied animal.

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Probably a dinosaur.

37:11.540 --> 37:15.260
I can't pronounce the name of this place
in Canada, Misha something or other,

37:15.320 --> 37:17.360
but it looks like somebody drew a dinosaur
on the cliff up there.

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The Indians talked about the great animal
that lived in the lake out there.

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This guy says nobody's ever seen one.

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He doesn't know that.

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If nobody's ever seen one, why did they
carve them on the cliffs?

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Down in Ica, Peru, they've got the driest
desert in the world down there.

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The Spanish came across there and saw
white lines across the desert.

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Nobody could figure out what those white
lines were until they got airplanes.

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And realized these are actually giant
images.

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One of the images shows a spider that
looks really strange.

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One of the legs is longer, sticking out to
the side like that.

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And for years, everybody thought,
well, these guys were just making up these

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stories.

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They're just, you know, it's imagination.

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They just discovered here recently,
there's a little tiny spider that lives in

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the desert.

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It's extremely rare.

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Most folks have never seen it,
never heard of it.

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It's only about an eighth of an inch long,
this spider.

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During mating season, that leg grows
longer, and that's how they mate with that

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next spider.

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Then it goes back in.

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They had to have magnifying glasses to
even know that.

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And here they are carving huge images out
in their desert.

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Either these guys had incredible eyesight
or they knew about how to magnify things

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somehow.

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Get Dennis Swift's book on that.

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He's got a lot of good stuff on these
images down in Nazca.

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But in 1571, the Spanish came across there
and they found rocks with strange animals

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on them.

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They were carved in these rocks.

38:42.360 --> 38:44.500
They brought some back to the king of
Spain and said, what are these?

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He said, I don't know, I've never seen an
animal like that.

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Today they're called the Nazca burial
stones.

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There are about 20 of these in America.

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We have three in our museum in Pensacola.

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The largest collection, I think,
the second largest collection in America,

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three.

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Some of them show brain surgery.

39:02.120 --> 39:05.520
Some of them show putting artificial limbs
on people.

39:05.720 --> 39:07.720
One of them shows what appears to be a
steam engine.

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These are from 2,000 years ago when these
things were carved on there.

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About 500 of the stones show dinosaurs
with people.

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Now why would there be dinosaurs and
people to carve together on these stones

39:20.780 --> 39:21.740
2,000 years ago?

39:23.260 --> 39:26.740
Just about every known dinosaur is
pictured on these things, including many

39:26.740 --> 39:27.720
unknown dinosaurs.

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We could spend hours talking.

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We'll talk more about the Icha stones on
our college class 102.

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But this one shows, Dennis Swift has this
one.

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He shows circles on the side of the
dinosaur.

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Here's one from my museum.

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It shows a dinosaur holding a guy by the
head.

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Here's another one I've got in our museum.

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It shows a dinosaur with his head cut off.

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Apparently this guy has a knife in his
hand.

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Cut the dinosaur's head off because the
dinosaur killed his friend.

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We think that's what the stories tell us.

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Taking vengeance is what the Bible says.

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You know, vengeance is fine, saith the
Lord.

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Something like that.

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I forget how it goes exactly, but that's
close enough.

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Now why would they put dinosaurs on these
stones?

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And why put the circles on the side?

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Now that's really interesting.

40:09.220 --> 40:12.040
You know, if you found dinosaur bones,
that would not give you a clue what the

40:12.040 --> 40:12.620
skin looked like.

40:13.940 --> 40:17.100
Here's these stones from 2,000 years ago
showing circles on the side.

40:18.180 --> 40:21.200
You know they found fossilized dinosaur
skin about 12 years ago?

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And it had circle patterns on it?

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The fossilized dinosaur skin shows circle
patterns.

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It looks to me like they must have seen a
live one to know how to do that.

40:34.000 --> 40:35.860
This one shows a guy cutting the head off
of one.

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Here's a guy riding a dinosaur of some
kind.

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They found pottery in one of the graves
down there.

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It looked like a dinosaur.

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Clear as a bell to anybody else there
could be a dinosaur on this pottery.

40:48.580 --> 40:52.700
The mummy in the grave was wrapped up in a
blanket, and it had dinosaurs embroidered

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into the blanket.

40:54.880 --> 41:00.400
Now, why would they put dinosaurs on their
blankets and on their pottery and carve

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them on cliff walls?

41:01.640 --> 41:07.320
You go to Acomboro, Mexico, and they found
56,000 ceramic figurines of dinosaurs as

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they dug to put in a basement of this one
house.

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You say, wait a minute, somebody stored a
cache of dinosaurs.

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Thousands and thousands of them.

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We could spend many days talking about
this, but lots more on that on Seminar

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Part 2 of our series.

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We cover more on dinosaurs and icostones.

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This guy says nobody's ever seen one.

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I'm sorry, he does not know that.

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An Italian fella 400 years ago was out
walking his cows, taking care of his cows.

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And apparently a dinosaur scared his cows,
and he hit the thing on the back of the

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neck and broke its neck with his walking
stick.

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They had it stuffed and mounted for a
museum display.

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Probably a Tanastropheus.

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And by the way, do you know why so many
Italians are named Tony?

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Years ago, they were shipping a bunch of
them to America and they stamped on their

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forehead, To New York.

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I figured, never mind, never mind,
never mind, okay.

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Many people think the Sutton artifact
appears to be like a pterodactyl with its

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wings folded against its body.

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Another dinosaur.

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The Romans came across to America long
before Columbus did.

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One of the Roman swords found in Arizona
shows a dinosaur on it.

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I called the guy who's got the sword.

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I said, uh, Tom, what do you think about
this, uh, sword?

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He said, well, it has to be fake because
we know man and dinosaurs did not live at

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the same time.

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Oh, do you know that or do you think that?

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And kids, if you ever get taught that
Columbus was the first white man across

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the ocean, you are mistaken.

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They are mistaken, okay.

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Brendan the Navigator came over here in
500 AD.

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The Romans came back and forth.

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Apparently King Solomon made his ships go
back and forth across the ocean to

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America.

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There's lots of evidence of trade back and
forth long before the Dark Ages shut all

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that stuff down, apparently.

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But during the recent age of sailing
ships, after the Dark Ages was over,

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there were many reports during that 400
year span of sightings of sea monsters.

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Many, many legends of sea monsters exist.

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I have read so many stories.

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We can talk for hours on this.

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I won't, but I've read, I'm sure,
300 books just on the sea monster

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sightings from ancient ships, log books,
stuff like that.

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It's incredible how many sightings of sea
monsters are recorded in ancient books.

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Captain McKay said his crew saw a sea
monster 60 feet long swim under their

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boat.

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The whaling ship Monongahela actually
killed a 103 foot sea monster.

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They measured it.

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They were cutting it up.

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And another ship said, what are you guys
doing?

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They said, we just killed a sea monster.

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Amazing story.

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To read the whole story about the
Monongahela, the sea monster knocked the

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captain out of the small boat that went
out there to harpoon it.

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Sailors had to rescue him.

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He was unconscious.

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This thing had a huge head.

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They cut the thing up, put the bones in
the boat.

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The other ship bought the oil,
sea serpent oil, and went back and told

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the story.

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He said, man, the Monongahela is coming in
a few months and they're going to show you

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guys the bones of a sea serpent.

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Well, the Monongahela sailed on and was
never heard from again.

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Apparently it sank in a storm.

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So I'm sure some more sailors got laughed
at for claiming they saw sea monsters.

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One of the guys who later rescued the
folks on the Titanic was Captain Rauston,

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Arthur Henry Rauston.

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In 1907, he saw off the coast of Ireland a
sea monster.

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He sketched pictures of it.

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He said it was a sea serpent.

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Now, notice what this author of this book
says.

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This book is called Titanic, Triumph and
Tragedy.

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The author says, however imaginative the
young officer may have been.

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Excuse me, do you see any prejudice in
that statement?

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In other words, he thinks he saw a sea
monster, but I know better because,

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you know, he was there and I wasn't.

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One German submarine commander said that
when they sank a British ship during World

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War I, what appeared to be a giant sea
monster came flying up out of the water,

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60 feet long, four big flippers.

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There are stories of giant octopus pulling
ships underwater.

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He said, come on now, octopus never get
that big.

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Oh, they get pretty big.

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This one washed up on the beach in
Florida, St. Augustine, about 100 years

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ago.

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The octopus was 200 feet across and
weighed five tons.

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That's a big octopus.

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That's not the biggest one.

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A whale was killed near Seattle.

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Inside the whale's stomach was one arm to
an octopus.

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All around the whale's body were 18 inch
scars, circular scars, where something,

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either a giant octopus or squid,
tried to drown the whale.

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See, whales love to eat octopus or squid,
either one.

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And squid and octopus never stop growing.

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Now, if you're an animal that never stops
growing, someday you won't have any more

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enemies.

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By the way, if you ever see a piece of
puked-up octopus floating around in the

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ocean, be sure to grab it.

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It's worth a fortune.

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Does anybody know what they make out of
puked-up octopus?

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Perfume, that is correct.

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That explains a few things, doesn't it,
fellas?

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Hey, dear, you smell like a puked-up
octopus.

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Yeah, and you can sleep on the couch for a
month, too, honey.

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Yep.

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There are some awfully big squids out
there.

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The Navy research vessel saw a squid
wrestling with a giant whale one time in

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1966.

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Giant squid.

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This one's in the Peabody Museum.

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Huge squid model over my head there.

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They said this one washed up on the beach
in New Zealand.

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It was a baby giant squid.

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Full grown, it would have been 150 feet
long.

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Some people say, now hold it, Mr. Hovind.

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If dinosaurs are mentioned in the Bible,
and if they're mentioned all through

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history as living with man, are they
mentioned in the Bible?

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I said, oh yeah, they're in there.

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I said, I didn't see them in there.

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Well, you won't see the word dinosaur
because that word was made up in 1841.

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King James was translated in 1611.

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You know, figure it out.

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They couldn't use that word.

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It didn't exist yet.

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But dinosaurs are in there.

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If you read the book of Job, Job has 42
chapters.

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In the first two chapters, it tells us Job
was a perfect man.

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He feared God and hated evil.

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He had seven sons and three daughters.

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And he had thousands of sheep and camels
and oxen and asses.

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The guy was rich.

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And one day the messenger came and said,
Job, I got some bad news.

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The oxen and asses got stolen and your
servants were killed.

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Oh, and Job, by the way, the sheep all
burned up.

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Thousands and thousands of sheep all
burned.

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Probably lightning or something.

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Who knows?

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And Job, your camels got stolen.

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And by the way, Job, all 10 of your kids
died.

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Job's having a bad day.

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He lost all of his animals.

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It's called the stock market crash.

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All 10 of his kids died.

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And Job said, the Lord gave, the Lord took
away.

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Blessed be the name of the Lord.

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What kind of guy is this anyway?

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Everybody else would get mad at God,
right?

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Job lost it all.

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He said, okay God, it was yours to begin
with.

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Thanks for letting me use it for a while.

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Then the devil gave him boils from the top
of his head to the bottom of his feet.

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And if that wasn't bad enough,
his wife turned against him.

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And Job said, hey, you foolish woman,
shall we not receive good at the hand of

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God and not evil?

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Job didn't sin with his lips in all of
this.

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But then his four friends came to torment
him, or to comfort him, I mean.

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One of those guys was the shortest man
mentioned in the Bible, Bildad the

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Shuhite.

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That's pretty short folks, okay?

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These four guys came and they talked to
Job for 35 chapters.

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Most of the book of Job is these guys
telling Job why everything went wrong.

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They had to be Baptists, the way I got it
figured.

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That's what I am.

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They said, Job, everything's going wrong,
huh?

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We know why.

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You sinned.

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Now listen folks, if something bad happens
to somebody, you don't know why it

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happened.

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You should love them, pray for them,
encourage them, and shut up.

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Don't go to the hospital when they get
their gallstones taken out and say,

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hey brother, these aren't gallstones.

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These are tithes and offerings.

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God's getting them out of you one way or
another.

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Don't do that, okay?

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Let God take care of why everything's
going on.

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He can handle that just fine.

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He doesn't need your help at all.

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So Job is sitting there, scraping the pus
out of the boil, sitting in the dust by

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the graves of his 10 kids wondering,
what's going on?

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He said, I wish the Almighty would answer
me.

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Lord, why is this happening to me?

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And folks, you don't have to live on
planet earth very long before you're going

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to be wondering why some things happen to
you.

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If you haven't got there yet, you just
keep living.

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It'll happen.

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Job didn't know about Romans 8,
28.

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It was coming though.

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God said, we know that all things work
together for good to them that love God,

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to them that are the called according to
His purpose.

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Now this verse does not say everything
that happens is good.

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It says everything will work together for
good.

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It's a big difference.

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I'll show you.

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Has anybody here ever been hungry?

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Ever been hungry?

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Supposed to come to my house, you say,
Brother Hovind, I'm hungry.

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I'll say, man, come on in.

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Have a seat.

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I'll give you a cup of flour.

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I got it.

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Lean back, open up.

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We're going to shove in a spoonful of
salt.

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Now, that'll help you.

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How about a spoonful of baking soda?

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Oh, wow, that stuff tastes good.

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You're probably getting kind of dry by
now.

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So lean back.

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We're going to pour down a half a cup of
Crisco.

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And chase it down with a cup of
buttermilk.

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You say, that would taste terrible.

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How about if we mix them all together
first?

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And make biscuits.

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Hey, now you're talking.

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Did you know the individual ingredients
for biscuits taste lousy?

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But they work together for biscuits,
don't they?

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You know, God promised everything that
happens to you will work together for good

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if you love God.

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Life is so simple.

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Keep your heart right with God.

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That'll be hard to do because the heart's
deceitful and desperately wicked.

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But you just keep your heart right and
everything that happens is good.

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Finally, though, in chapter 38,
the Lord answered Job out of a whirlwind.

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Boy, if a tornado starts talking to me,
I'm going to pay attention.

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And the Lord said, who is this that
darkeneth counsel by words without

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knowledge?

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Hey, by the way, many false cults take a
lot of their doctrine from the book of

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Job.

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One of Job's friends said something like,
you know, the dead die and they don't know

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anything.

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Well, that's one of Job's friends saying
that.

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It's true that they said that,
but what they said was not true.

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Be real careful getting a doctrine from
the book of Job.

51:34.080 --> 51:35.940
You know, read the verse and say,
okay, that's interesting.

51:36.000 --> 51:36.700
Now, who said this?

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If it's one of Job's friends, it's true
that they said it, but what they said may

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not be true.

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Just really be alert.

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Same thing in Ecclesiastes.

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That's the wisdom of man under the sun.

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It's not the wisdom of God above the sun.

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Okay, just be real careful about getting
your doctrine from those two books.

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Just take it very slow.

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God said, who is darkening counsel by
words without knowledge?

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God said, gird up now thy loins like a
man, for I will demand of thee and answer

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thou me.

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Where was thou when I laid the foundations
of the earth?

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Man, I read that 34 years ago as a brand
new Christian and I thought, what a dumb

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question.

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Where were you when I built the earth?

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How many of you were here when God built
the earth?

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Now kids, this is going to be complicated.

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Okay, so listen carefully.

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Since you were not here when God built the
earth, that means that God is older than

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you are.

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How many can figure this out with no help?

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Okay, did it ever occur to you that God is
also smarter than you are?

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Did it ever occur to you that God is
stronger than you are?

52:42.160 --> 52:45.180
Did it ever occur to you that God is
richer than you are?

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You say, Brett Hovind, everybody's richer
than I am.

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God certainly is.

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Try this one.

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Did it ever occur to you that nothing ever
occurred to God?

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Things occur to me all the time.

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I say, wow, I never thought of that
before.

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Did you know that never happens to God?

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He has already thought of everything.

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He even knows and understands the
imaginations of your thoughts and mine.

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This is a pretty cool verse.

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Not only does He know your thoughts,
He knows the imaginations of the thoughts.

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That's a whole different level.

53:20.640 --> 53:23.860
You see, you can not only think about
things, you can actually think about what

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you're thinking about.

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Think about that.

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Think about that.

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The Bible says God knows your thoughts and
the Bible also says Jesus knows your

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thoughts.

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That's one of many verses that prove Jesus
is God Almighty in the flesh.

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Not just a God like Jehovah's Witnesses
say.

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He is the God in the flesh.

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God knows your thoughts and get this,
He loves you anyway.

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Wow, what a nice guy.

53:52.260 --> 53:54.440
God asked Job a question and Job did not
answer.

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So God asked him another one.

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Declare, if thou hast understanding,
who hath laid the measures thereof,

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if thou knowest?

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Question mark.

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Job doesn't answer.

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So God asked him another one.

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Hast thou entered into the springs of the
sea?

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Did you know scientists didn't even know
there were springs in the sea until 1977?

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God asked Job this question.

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Probably Job was written shortly after the
flood, right about in this time when

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people are still living to be 400 years
old.

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Because Job had 10 grown kids all die and
lived long enough to see his fourth

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generation from the new batch of kids that
he got.

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Probably lived right about in here.

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No mention of the law hadn't been given
yet.

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Most people think Job was written probably
the oldest book in the Bible, but not the

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first one in the Bible.

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God asked Job question after question.

54:37.100 --> 54:38.900
He said, where is the way where light
dwelleth?

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That's a cool verse.

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Light doesn't stay in a place.

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It's in a way.

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But then it says, as for darkness,
where is the place thereof?

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Hey, did you know darkness can't move?

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We're the children of light, right?

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The Bible says the gates of hell shall not
prevail against... gates don't move.

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People say, oh, hell... Satan's attacking
us.

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No, we're just not... we're not on the
offense.

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It's our problem.

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Okay.

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We're letting them win.

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We're the children of light.

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We're supposed to be on the move,
folks.

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Anyway.

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God said, by what way is the light parted
which scattereth east wind upon the earth?

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Now, wait a minute.

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Does the light cause the wind?

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It sure does.

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Ask any weatherman.

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The sunlight causes the ground to warm up
and the air to warm up and it causes it to

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expand the air.

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And the wind is from the sunlight.

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God said that 4,000 years ago.

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God said, canst thou send lightnings?

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Boy, it's a good thing I can't.

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How many of you can think of somebody
that's lucky to be alive because you can't

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send the lightnings?

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I can think of several.

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Yes, sir.

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God said, can you send the lightnings that
they may go and say unto thee,

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here we are?

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Now, wait a minute.

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Is God telling Job electricity can be used
to send a message?

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I believe He is, folks.

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That's how radio, TV, telephone,
radar, microphones.

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Oh, yeah.

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God said that 4,000 years ago.

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God asked Job question after question
after question.

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84 questions by my count.

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Job never answered one.

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See, these are the kind of questions that
don't need an answer.

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The question is designed to change the
person's attitude.

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These are the same kind of questions you
dads have to ask your kids.

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Say I have three kids, one of each.

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Kids get to a certain age and they start
to get kind of cocky and they think they

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should make the rules around the house.

56:32.540 --> 56:34.480
The kid comes in one day and says,
hey, dad, listen.

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I believe I should be allowed to stay out
till four in the morning with my friends.

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After all, I'm 10 now.

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Dad says, hold on just a minute,
kid.

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You'd like to know why you can't stay out
till four in the morning.

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Well, son, let me ask you a couple
questions here.

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Who pays the electric bill around this
house?

56:53.160 --> 56:54.140
Who's paying for the house?

56:55.000 --> 56:56.840
Who paid for that bed you slept on last
night?

56:57.120 --> 56:58.400
Who paid for those clothes you're wearing,
son?

56:58.900 --> 57:01.920
Who pays for the food you eat and eat and
eat and eat and eat and eat?

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And eat.

57:04.520 --> 57:07.040
Who paid for the hot water and soap you
took a shower with?

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About a month ago.

57:11.440 --> 57:13.000
Let's just get it straight right now,
son.

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The Bible is very clear on this topic.

57:15.100 --> 57:18.100
He who payeth the bills maketh the rules.

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Second Opinions, Chapter 4.

57:23.260 --> 57:27.920
You see, son, me, dad, you, kid.

57:28.840 --> 57:31.920
And if you're going to sleep under my roof
and eat my food, you're going to do it my

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way.

57:32.860 --> 57:35.780
And when you want to do it your way,
well, then go get your own roof to sleep

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under and get your own food to eat and you
can do it your way.

57:38.820 --> 57:40.060
That's the golden rule, son.

57:40.480 --> 57:42.400
He that hath the gold maketh the rules.

57:44.200 --> 57:45.460
Who do you think you are, kid?

57:45.500 --> 57:48.420
Where were you when we got this land and
drove off to grizzly bears and walked

57:48.420 --> 57:51.800
uphill to school 40 miles in the snow
barefoot both ways?

57:54.260 --> 57:57.700
I think God's asking Job these questions
to change Job's attitude.

57:58.620 --> 58:02.020
We come to Chapter 40 and God said,
behold now behemoth.

58:03.340 --> 58:05.000
Now what on earth is a behemoth?

58:05.860 --> 58:08.360
Some reference Bibles say it could be the
elephant or hippopotamus.

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No, it cannot be either of those.

58:12.400 --> 58:16.520
I think behemoth is the long-necked
dinosaur, probably the brachiosaurus.

58:17.080 --> 58:19.660
Actually, there are 13 different
long-necked dinosaurs.

58:19.820 --> 58:22.120
The brachiosaur, the cetosaur,
the momentuosaur, the seismosaur,

58:22.200 --> 58:24.300
the supersaur, the apatosaur, the
blondosaur.

58:26.300 --> 58:28.120
You just have to talk to her kind of slow,
okay?

58:33.380 --> 58:36.940
You'd be amazed how much hate mail I get
from just that statement.

58:39.080 --> 58:42.920
I say, look, I'm blonde, my sister's
blonde, my mother's blonde, my daughter's

58:42.920 --> 58:43.200
blonde.

58:43.920 --> 58:44.900
I like blondes.

58:45.400 --> 58:46.500
And I like making fun of them too.

58:46.780 --> 58:47.980
So back off.

58:48.020 --> 58:49.640
If you don't like it, edit this part of
the tape out.

58:52.060 --> 58:55.600
He says, behold now behemoth eats grass as
an ox.

58:57.320 --> 58:58.860
Some people say, hey, elephants eat grass.

58:59.020 --> 58:59.980
And my Bible says elephant.

59:00.840 --> 59:02.660
A lot of animals eat grass, okay?

59:02.760 --> 59:03.460
Look at the next verse.

59:03.460 --> 59:05.180
His strength is in his loins.

59:05.280 --> 59:06.960
His force is in the navel of his belly.

59:07.280 --> 59:09.140
The biggest part on him is his belly.

59:09.840 --> 59:11.300
They say elephants have a big belly.

59:11.760 --> 59:12.360
Yep, you're right.

59:12.700 --> 59:13.700
Hippos have a big belly.

59:15.000 --> 59:16.120
Brachiosaurus has a big belly.

59:17.260 --> 59:18.340
He has a big belly.

59:20.120 --> 59:21.120
So does he.

59:22.820 --> 59:26.040
Next verse says, he moveth his tail like a
cedar.

59:27.080 --> 59:27.700
Wait a minute.

59:27.880 --> 59:29.380
His tail's like a cedar tree?

59:30.380 --> 59:31.840
Have you ever seen an elephant's tail?

59:34.140 --> 59:35.260
Not like a cedar tree.

59:36.320 --> 59:37.660
Have you ever seen a hippo tail?

59:39.240 --> 59:40.320
Not like a cedar tree.

59:41.500 --> 59:44.300
You know, before they put those comments
at the bottom of the Bible, they really

59:44.300 --> 59:46.420
should be required to read the passage at
least once.

59:47.620 --> 59:48.980
You know, before they comment on it.

59:49.060 --> 59:50.180
It's not an elephant hippo.

59:50.260 --> 59:50.420
Hello.

59:51.680 --> 59:52.660
It's not one of those.

59:52.740 --> 59:55.920
Anyway, the Bible says, his bones are as
strong pieces of brass.

59:56.000 --> 59:57.920
His bones are like bars of iron.

59:58.160 --> 59:59.560
He had big bones.

59:59.840 --> 01:00:00.320
And they did.

01:00:00.380 --> 01:00:01.120
I've got one here on the table.

01:00:01.340 --> 01:00:03.120
This is a copy of a toe bone.

01:00:03.740 --> 01:00:04.800
From a brachiosaur.

01:00:06.080 --> 01:00:07.680
Now kids, this is going to be complicated.

01:00:07.860 --> 01:00:08.540
So listen carefully.

01:00:09.400 --> 01:00:14.840
The reason he had such big toe bones is
because he had big toes.

01:00:17.820 --> 01:00:20.180
And he had those big toes because he had a
big foot.

01:00:22.040 --> 01:00:24.540
Matter of fact, their foot was big enough
to take a bath in.

01:00:24.720 --> 01:00:25.980
The footprint, if you're a little kid.

01:00:26.720 --> 01:00:30.600
Pictures on the back of the book from
Dinosaur Valley State Park, right here.

01:00:30.720 --> 01:00:31.760
If you want to come by and take a look at
that.

01:00:31.760 --> 01:00:34.900
They had that big foot because he had a
big leg to hold up.

01:00:35.220 --> 01:00:37.020
His front leg is 20 feet tall.

01:00:38.400 --> 01:00:42.320
The biggest dinosaur found so far was
found in Oklahoma, 60 feet to the top of

01:00:42.320 --> 01:00:42.540
the head.

01:00:43.860 --> 01:00:47.060
They say it'll take him 20 years to dig
all the bones out of the ground.

01:00:48.100 --> 01:00:49.540
Because it is a government project.

01:00:52.380 --> 01:00:55.140
They say when it was alive, it might have
weighed 100 tons.

01:00:56.220 --> 01:00:59.040
100 tons is equal to 14 school buses put
together.

01:01:00.720 --> 01:01:07.100
That means if he was to come by and step
on you, you would be deeply impressed by

01:01:07.100 --> 01:01:07.300
him.

01:01:10.300 --> 01:01:11.540
You would be road pizza.

01:01:13.340 --> 01:01:16.900
By the way, speaking of government
projects, I want to show you folks my

01:01:16.900 --> 01:01:19.260
invention that's going to make me the
richest man on planet Earth.

01:01:20.260 --> 01:01:23.720
I'm going to save so much money for the
highway department, construction crews,

01:01:23.840 --> 01:01:25.280
and utility companies, and the military.

01:01:26.140 --> 01:01:28.500
And all I want is 10% of the savings.

01:01:29.940 --> 01:01:31.500
I'll be the richest man on planet Earth.

01:01:32.320 --> 01:01:35.700
I have invented a shovel that will stand
up by itself.

01:01:39.600 --> 01:01:41.780
You won't need to pay those guys to lean
on it anymore.

01:01:43.000 --> 01:01:45.220
You just watch when you drive by a
construction crew.

01:01:45.300 --> 01:01:46.180
You'll see what I'm talking about.

01:01:46.400 --> 01:01:47.840
Everyone can use one of these inventions.

01:01:48.460 --> 01:01:51.040
Next verse says, he's the chief of the
ways of God.

01:01:51.360 --> 01:01:52.160
He's the chief.

01:01:52.420 --> 01:01:54.340
That's the Hebrew word for chief,
the resheth.

01:01:54.420 --> 01:01:56.000
He's the biggest animal God ever made.

01:01:56.000 --> 01:01:58.980
Well, that would not be the elephant
hippopotamus.

01:01:59.760 --> 01:02:01.240
It'd be the brachiosaurus.

01:02:02.580 --> 01:02:05.060
And you know, it kind of fits the pattern
for the way the devil works.

01:02:05.480 --> 01:02:07.860
Whenever God makes things, the devil tries
to destroy them.

01:02:08.840 --> 01:02:10.120
God invented beautiful things.

01:02:10.220 --> 01:02:11.220
God invented music.

01:02:11.440 --> 01:02:12.200
God loves music.

01:02:13.000 --> 01:02:16.000
And Satan has come along with some ungodly
music you shouldn't listen to.

01:02:17.200 --> 01:02:19.560
Somebody asked me one time, they said,
Brother Hovind, you know what you get if

01:02:19.560 --> 01:02:20.820
you play country music backwards?

01:02:22.600 --> 01:02:23.560
I said, no.

01:02:24.020 --> 01:02:26.880
They said, you get your hound dog,
your wife, and your pickup, all back.

01:02:28.080 --> 01:02:29.500
Oh, yeah, back masking.

01:02:29.560 --> 01:02:30.520
I heard about that stuff.

01:02:31.140 --> 01:02:33.240
And God invented marriage and the family
and sex.

01:02:33.400 --> 01:02:34.740
God made them male and female.

01:02:34.980 --> 01:02:36.240
And he understands it pretty good.

01:02:36.340 --> 01:02:37.540
And he puts some rules down.

01:02:37.800 --> 01:02:40.700
Boys, don't touch the girls until you're
married to them.

01:02:41.720 --> 01:02:44.260
Now, if you don't want to touch them,
then stay away from me.

01:02:44.360 --> 01:02:45.720
Okay, I saw your kind out west.

01:02:47.420 --> 01:02:49.240
God wants you to have a wonderful life.

01:02:49.320 --> 01:02:51.920
And he said the adulterous will hunt for
the precious life.

01:02:52.400 --> 01:02:55.600
These movie stars getting married again
every six months don't have a clue what

01:02:55.600 --> 01:02:56.800
the precious life is all about.

01:02:57.600 --> 01:02:58.600
Now, kids, listen carefully.

01:02:59.160 --> 01:02:59.920
Here's what you got to do.

01:03:00.000 --> 01:03:01.440
It doesn't matter what your friends are
doing.

01:03:02.160 --> 01:03:05.160
The Bible teaches you're to keep yourself
pure.

01:03:06.140 --> 01:03:09.600
And your wife or husband keep pure until
you both walk down the aisle and the

01:03:09.600 --> 01:03:10.980
preacher says, wilt thou and you wilt.

01:03:11.260 --> 01:03:13.320
And then you stick with that one for the
rest of your life.

01:03:13.440 --> 01:03:15.340
That's the precious life right there.

01:03:16.060 --> 01:03:17.420
God knows what he's talking about.

01:03:18.540 --> 01:03:20.800
The Bible says God created all the great
creatures.

01:03:20.900 --> 01:03:21.720
God made the dinosaurs.

01:03:22.740 --> 01:03:27.080
And Satan said, you know, there has to be
some way to use dinosaurs against God.

01:03:28.380 --> 01:03:29.540
But he couldn't fool Adam.

01:03:30.120 --> 01:03:30.960
Not with dinosaurs.

01:03:31.640 --> 01:03:34.540
Imagine the devil walking up to Adam and
saying, hey, Adam, did you know dinosaurs

01:03:34.540 --> 01:03:35.740
lived millions of years ago?

01:03:37.600 --> 01:03:39.020
Adam would say, are you dumb or what?

01:03:39.040 --> 01:03:41.240
There's one in the backyard eating off the
cherry tree right now.

01:03:42.740 --> 01:03:44.100
The devil couldn't fool Noah.

01:03:45.020 --> 01:03:46.160
He fed him every day.

01:03:46.920 --> 01:03:50.460
But for the next 4,000 years, they became
pretty rare.

01:03:51.120 --> 01:03:52.900
Many species went totally extinct.

01:03:54.320 --> 01:03:54.720
Gone.

01:03:55.740 --> 01:03:58.600
And then in 1809, they found the bones and
put one together.

01:03:59.580 --> 01:04:00.860
And the devil was there that day.

01:04:01.320 --> 01:04:02.600
He said, wow, here we go, folks.

01:04:02.680 --> 01:04:03.200
My chance.

01:04:03.320 --> 01:04:04.660
Finally, after 4,000 years.

01:04:06.560 --> 01:04:08.780
Satan said, you know, these critters have
always lived with man.

01:04:08.880 --> 01:04:11.580
I know that and God knows that,
but these people don't know that.

01:04:11.580 --> 01:04:16.260
So the devil said, I think I'm going to
tell everybody they lived millions of

01:04:16.260 --> 01:04:16.760
years ago.

01:04:17.540 --> 01:04:20.180
And if they believe it, it'll make them
doubt the Bible.

01:04:21.440 --> 01:04:23.280
And boy, has it worked good.

01:04:24.320 --> 01:04:27.040
You know, for the last 200 years,
kids have been going to kindergarten and

01:04:27.040 --> 01:04:27.880
getting a book like this.

01:04:28.280 --> 01:04:29.840
I can read about dinosaurs.

01:04:31.320 --> 01:04:34.020
Would anybody like to just take a wild
guess at what the first sentence in the

01:04:34.020 --> 01:04:34.500
book says?

01:04:36.080 --> 01:04:37.600
Millions of years ago.

01:04:37.880 --> 01:04:39.160
Yeah, sure enough.

01:04:40.060 --> 01:04:42.160
So many books in our libraries teach this
stuff.

01:04:42.340 --> 01:04:43.540
Millions of years ago.

01:04:43.780 --> 01:04:45.560
How many kids are being taught that in
your town?

01:04:46.240 --> 01:04:47.360
At your expense?

01:04:50.040 --> 01:04:51.620
I go to museums all the time.

01:04:51.700 --> 01:04:55.100
Just makes my blood boil seeing all these
beautiful, incredible museums,

01:04:55.260 --> 01:04:57.040
fancy displays, loads of money.

01:04:57.600 --> 01:04:58.500
And the wrong message.

01:04:59.900 --> 01:05:01.260
Kids are being brainwashed.

01:05:01.320 --> 01:05:02.240
That's why we started our own.

01:05:02.300 --> 01:05:04.080
And we need lots of creation museums
around the country.

01:05:04.200 --> 01:05:04.700
Hundreds of them.

01:05:04.720 --> 01:05:05.600
You folks need one up here.

01:05:06.220 --> 01:05:07.040
Somebody start one.

01:05:07.940 --> 01:05:11.240
Next verse says, "...he lieth under the
shady trees in the covert of the reed and

01:05:11.240 --> 01:05:13.720
fens." The word fens means the swamp.

01:05:14.340 --> 01:05:16.800
Well, the biggest swamp in the world is in
the middle of Africa.

01:05:17.700 --> 01:05:18.360
Right there.

01:05:18.500 --> 01:05:20.580
Most Americans don't know how big Africa
is.

01:05:20.640 --> 01:05:22.560
There's what America looks like next to
Africa.

01:05:24.000 --> 01:05:25.360
That swamp is gigantic.

01:05:26.560 --> 01:05:28.400
Bigger than the whole state of...

01:05:28.980 --> 01:05:30.600
same size as the whole state of Illinois.

01:05:31.300 --> 01:05:32.080
Gigantic swamp.

01:05:32.680 --> 01:05:35.760
There have been reports of dinosaurs in
that swamp in the last 200 years.

01:05:37.040 --> 01:05:39.460
There could be a few dinosaurs still
alive.

01:05:40.320 --> 01:05:41.460
I don't think there's very many.

01:05:41.480 --> 01:05:42.480
I don't think they're very big ones.

01:05:42.540 --> 01:05:44.180
But I think there's some still alive,
folks.

01:05:44.720 --> 01:05:47.240
We cover lots more on that in the next
session.

01:05:48.260 --> 01:05:51.380
But basically, God made dinosaurs with
Adam and Eve.

01:05:51.560 --> 01:05:53.080
They were big lizards before the flood.

01:05:53.500 --> 01:05:54.420
Noah took them on the ark.

01:05:54.620 --> 01:05:55.640
People began killing them.

01:05:56.120 --> 01:05:59.560
There are very, very few left today,
but there might be a few still around.

01:06:00.020 --> 01:06:02.200
But don't let anybody tell you they lived
millions of years ago.

01:06:02.260 --> 01:06:03.900
That is just plain baloney.

01:06:04.440 --> 01:06:06.260
We'll cover dinosaurs still alive.

01:06:07.040 --> 01:06:08.300
in the next session after the break.

01:06:08.500 --> 01:06:08.860
Thank you.

01:06:10.320 --> 01:06:13.940
All right, in this session we're going to
talk about dinosaurs that may still be

01:06:13.940 --> 01:06:14.700
alive.

01:06:15.400 --> 01:06:19.480
Now I know how crazy that sounds to the
average person who's been trained with the

01:06:19.480 --> 01:06:22.400
humanist line of, you know, dinosaurs
lived millions of years ago.

01:06:22.980 --> 01:06:25.220
But some of these guys need to open their
mind just a little bit.

01:06:25.260 --> 01:06:27.060
Maybe somebody can drop an intelligent
thought in there.

01:06:28.300 --> 01:06:31.440
I think from a Christian perspective,
the world is very different than what our

01:06:31.440 --> 01:06:32.140
textbooks teach.

01:06:32.140 --> 01:06:34.780
I think dinosaurs always lived with
people.

01:06:34.840 --> 01:06:35.580
They called them dragons.

01:06:35.960 --> 01:06:37.920
There could be some still alive.

01:06:38.500 --> 01:06:42.440
The Bible teaches, before the flood came,
there was a canopy of water overhead and

01:06:42.440 --> 01:06:44.060
water under the crust of the earth.

01:06:44.660 --> 01:06:49.280
It probably gave optimum conditions for
people and animals to live a long time.

01:06:50.040 --> 01:06:52.680
Actually, they would have lived forever if
they hadn't sinned.

01:06:53.260 --> 01:06:56.620
Dinosaurs were big lizards that lived with
Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden.

01:06:56.720 --> 01:06:58.940
They did not live millions of years ago.

01:06:59.280 --> 01:07:00.560
They were pre-flood.

01:07:01.480 --> 01:07:05.060
Many indications from history indicate
that people have always known about

01:07:05.060 --> 01:07:05.780
dinosaurs.

01:07:06.720 --> 01:07:10.360
And yet the textbooks are saying,
dinosaurs lived millions of years ago.

01:07:10.600 --> 01:07:12.560
Somebody is clearly wrong.

01:07:13.800 --> 01:07:16.460
And I think I know who it is, and I enjoy
showing them who they are.

01:07:16.920 --> 01:07:20.980
Dr. Seuss even says, millions of years
ago, before you were born, millions of

01:07:20.980 --> 01:07:21.260
years ago.

01:07:21.280 --> 01:07:25.460
We've just been bombarded with this
propaganda for so long, some people

01:07:25.460 --> 01:07:26.520
actually believe it.

01:07:27.860 --> 01:07:29.180
Millions of years ago.

01:07:29.340 --> 01:07:33.140
The Bible says behemoth lives under the
shady trees in the fens.

01:07:34.100 --> 01:07:36.280
The old English word fens means the swamp.

01:07:36.920 --> 01:07:38.700
Behemoth lives in the swamp.

01:07:39.020 --> 01:07:41.960
Well, the largest swamp in the world is in
Central Africa, right on the equator,

01:07:42.320 --> 01:07:43.740
called the Likwala Swamp.

01:07:44.520 --> 01:07:48.500
55,000 square miles, it is 80 percent
unexplored.

01:07:49.260 --> 01:07:51.840
That swamp is bigger than any one of those
yellow states.

01:07:52.640 --> 01:07:55.340
It's the same size as any of the three red
states.

01:07:55.900 --> 01:07:57.460
That's a big swamp.

01:07:58.420 --> 01:08:01.000
Belgium took over this area back in 1885.

01:08:01.280 --> 01:08:05.120
They colonized the Congo, and it was
called the Belgian Congo for many,

01:08:05.220 --> 01:08:05.740
many years.

01:08:06.480 --> 01:08:09.640
Then in 1960, the communists went in there
and liberated them.

01:08:10.200 --> 01:08:12.160
You know how the communists liberate
countries, don't you?

01:08:12.500 --> 01:08:14.200
They killed everybody and said,
okay, you're free now.

01:08:15.740 --> 01:08:19.600
Well, today it's called the People's
Republic of Congo.

01:08:20.000 --> 01:08:24.460
But back in the 1700s, even before
Belgians went in there, some missionaries

01:08:24.460 --> 01:08:27.440
went into that swamp and reported there
are dinosaurs still alive.

01:08:28.820 --> 01:08:32.600
In 1910, an article came out in the New
York newspaper after folks had gone into

01:08:32.600 --> 01:08:32.980
the swamp.

01:08:33.060 --> 01:08:36.620
And they said, folks, there are dinosaurs
still alive in that swamp.

01:08:37.100 --> 01:08:39.800
This article appeared in the Saturday
Evening Post, 1948.

01:08:40.320 --> 01:08:42.540
There could be dinosaurs still alive.

01:08:43.640 --> 01:08:46.240
A game hunter, a big game hunter,
went in there.

01:08:46.620 --> 01:08:47.940
His name was Mr. Gobbler.

01:08:47.940 --> 01:08:52.500
He returned to Africa from a trip to
Angola and announced to the newspaper that

01:08:52.500 --> 01:08:56.040
there was an animal of large dimensions,
the description of which could only fit a

01:08:56.040 --> 01:08:56.440
dinosaur.

01:08:57.760 --> 01:08:59.880
The natives in the region called it
Chipekwe.

01:09:00.300 --> 01:09:01.220
That was their name for it.

01:09:02.480 --> 01:09:05.200
Could there be dinosaurs living in the
last century?

01:09:06.940 --> 01:09:10.100
In 1980, a couple of scientists went in
there to the Congo swamp.

01:09:10.580 --> 01:09:12.560
They said it's the most miserable swamp in
the world.

01:09:13.400 --> 01:09:17.100
They said the mosquitoes landed on them at
the rate of about a thousand per hour.

01:09:18.100 --> 01:09:21.520
Just like dust, swarms of mosquitoes
swarming around them.

01:09:22.520 --> 01:09:25.540
Constant battle with mosquitoes,
poisonous snakes, poisonous spiders,

01:09:25.820 --> 01:09:27.100
every kind of critter you can imagine.

01:09:27.580 --> 01:09:30.800
Plus the pygmies over there are taught if
you ever see a white man, he's probably a

01:09:30.800 --> 01:09:31.180
spy.

01:09:32.560 --> 01:09:35.340
The communists go in there and tell them
that to keep, you know, everybody else out

01:09:35.340 --> 01:09:36.080
of the Congo.

01:09:37.080 --> 01:09:40.100
Well, Roy Mackle from the University of
Chicago and a couple other guys went into

01:09:40.100 --> 01:09:42.100
that swamp, tromped around for a while.

01:09:42.420 --> 01:09:44.000
The natives kept talking about a couple of
animals.

01:09:44.340 --> 01:09:46.720
One that was interested then was the
animal called Mahamba.

01:09:46.720 --> 01:09:50.300
When they showed him a picture of a
crocodile, they said, yep, that's Mahamba

01:09:50.300 --> 01:09:51.040
right there.

01:09:52.260 --> 01:09:54.220
And the scientist said, well, how big does
Mahamba get?

01:09:54.780 --> 01:09:57.400
And they pasted off on the sandbar,
50 feet.

01:09:58.880 --> 01:09:59.980
He said, right.

01:10:00.880 --> 01:10:05.300
Of course, now if you're a pygmy,
four foot four, a 50-foot crocodile looks

01:10:05.300 --> 01:10:06.500
real big to you.

01:10:07.920 --> 01:10:10.420
But they claim there are 50-foot
crocodiles in the swamp.

01:10:10.520 --> 01:10:11.000
I don't know.

01:10:11.060 --> 01:10:12.600
That's what the natives said and they live
there.

01:10:12.600 --> 01:10:15.880
They also talked about an animal called
Mokele Mbembe.

01:10:18.340 --> 01:10:21.300
Well, Dr. Mackle said, fellas,
what is Mokele Mbembe?

01:10:21.660 --> 01:10:25.360
They draw a sketch on the ground of an
apatosaurus or a cetosaurus, one like this

01:10:25.360 --> 01:10:25.740
right here.

01:10:28.480 --> 01:10:30.480
Dr. Mackle said, fellas, that's a
dinosaur.

01:10:31.140 --> 01:10:32.920
They've been dead for 70 million years.

01:10:34.260 --> 01:10:37.180
And the natives said, we're sorry,
we didn't know about that.

01:10:38.640 --> 01:10:40.600
We've never been to America to study
evolution.

01:10:41.280 --> 01:10:44.720
All we know is we see them out in the
swamp once in a while when we're fishing.

01:10:45.380 --> 01:10:46.800
Now they're not very big, okay.

01:10:46.860 --> 01:10:49.360
They're about 20 feet nose to tail is what
the natives will tell you.

01:10:49.720 --> 01:10:52.920
Most of the body is about the size of a
hippopotamus, just a long neck and a long

01:10:52.920 --> 01:10:53.180
tail.

01:10:53.700 --> 01:10:54.740
They live underwater.

01:10:54.920 --> 01:10:56.080
They're very rarely seen.

01:10:56.180 --> 01:10:58.300
They apparently are nocturnal,
active at night.

01:10:58.880 --> 01:11:00.960
And so the chances of seeing one are close
to zero.

01:11:01.220 --> 01:11:03.380
You could even live there for your whole
lifetime and never see one.

01:11:04.120 --> 01:11:05.760
It's not like they're real common,
okay.

01:11:05.940 --> 01:11:07.820
There's just a few left in this big swamp.

01:11:08.240 --> 01:11:08.900
I live in Florida.

01:11:09.000 --> 01:11:09.880
I've been there 15 years.

01:11:10.600 --> 01:11:12.260
You know, there are panthers in Florida.

01:11:13.680 --> 01:11:16.420
I've only seen one in 15 years,
and it was dead on the highway.

01:11:17.980 --> 01:11:20.260
It's possible for a lot of animals to
avoid detection.

01:11:20.540 --> 01:11:22.780
Anybody knows that that studies animals at
all.

01:11:23.060 --> 01:11:26.720
Well, Dr. Mackel went there and the
natives said, oh yeah, Mokele-Mbembe's

01:11:26.720 --> 01:11:29.180
favorite food is Malombo plant.

01:11:30.040 --> 01:11:33.300
If you find some of these plants along the
side of the river and you find there are

01:11:33.300 --> 01:11:38.860
no alligators or hippos, probably
Mokele-Mbembe lives there.

01:11:39.280 --> 01:11:42.680
Because he's so ferocious, even the hippos
and alligators are afraid of him,

01:11:43.000 --> 01:11:43.500
or crocodiles.

01:11:43.540 --> 01:11:44.820
He drives them out of their part of the
river.

01:11:46.320 --> 01:11:47.860
They found footprints of one of the
animals.

01:11:48.880 --> 01:11:51.540
Dr. Mackel's phone number here,
and he's got a California and a Chicago

01:11:51.540 --> 01:11:51.920
house.

01:11:52.080 --> 01:11:52.480
There he is.

01:11:52.520 --> 01:11:53.320
He said, look, I've been there.

01:11:53.360 --> 01:11:54.120
That's what the natives say.

01:11:54.800 --> 01:11:57.340
Missionary Eugene Thomas was there for 42
years.

01:11:57.800 --> 01:11:58.960
He's retired now back in Ohio.

01:11:59.100 --> 01:11:59.680
There's his phone number.

01:12:00.200 --> 01:12:02.560
He said, yeah, I had met pygmies that knew
about these creatures.

01:12:02.620 --> 01:12:03.580
He said they live in the swamp.

01:12:04.640 --> 01:12:07.220
He said he met two pygmies that killed one
and ate it.

01:12:08.860 --> 01:12:13.300
Back in 1959, there are just so many
stories about Mokele-Mbembe from that

01:12:13.300 --> 01:12:14.280
swamp region over there.

01:12:15.140 --> 01:12:17.560
Different countries around that region
have different languages, of course,

01:12:17.640 --> 01:12:20.900
and they call it by different names,
but they all describe this creature right

01:12:20.900 --> 01:12:21.120
here.

01:12:22.080 --> 01:12:23.300
Marcelino Ignagna saw one.

01:12:23.500 --> 01:12:24.600
He's a biologist from the Congo.

01:12:25.260 --> 01:12:26.140
He said it looked like that.

01:12:27.560 --> 01:12:31.700
Dr. Mark Miller went there, came back,
he said, boy, the pygmies over there just

01:12:31.700 --> 01:12:32.380
nearly killed us.

01:12:32.440 --> 01:12:33.220
They got us, captured us.

01:12:33.280 --> 01:12:34.440
We thought they were going to kill us.

01:12:34.440 --> 01:12:39.940
A fascinating story from World Explorer
magazine, wexclub.com.

01:12:40.120 --> 01:12:42.040
W-E-X for worldexplorerclub.com.

01:12:42.540 --> 01:12:43.540
They're right down here in Chicago.

01:12:43.900 --> 01:12:45.320
That's where their headquarters are,
near Chicago.

01:12:46.160 --> 01:12:49.200
Some guys from Los Angeles went to the
swamp and said, look, we saw one,

01:12:49.280 --> 01:12:51.520
but our cameras malfunctioned because of
the high humidity.

01:12:51.660 --> 01:12:52.300
It ruined everything.

01:12:52.940 --> 01:12:54.920
It's not like you just drive in,
take a picture, and drive home,

01:12:54.980 --> 01:12:55.140
okay?

01:12:55.160 --> 01:12:56.280
It's just not the same, right?

01:12:56.300 --> 01:12:57.980
It's a little tough conditions over there.

01:12:58.460 --> 01:13:00.860
They said the creature was brownish in
color.

01:13:01.220 --> 01:13:02.760
The skin appeared slick and smooth.

01:13:02.880 --> 01:13:04.800
It had a long neck and a small head.

01:13:05.360 --> 01:13:06.020
Herman saw it.

01:13:06.140 --> 01:13:06.700
Kia saw it.

01:13:06.720 --> 01:13:07.220
It's his wife.

01:13:07.320 --> 01:13:10.040
And on several occasions, they heard it
making a tremendous roar.

01:13:10.800 --> 01:13:13.280
Many other members of the expedition,
and this includes government officials

01:13:13.280 --> 01:13:15.120
from the Congo, saw it and heard it.

01:13:15.840 --> 01:13:18.720
There's an article from the Boston
newspaper about a group getting ready to

01:13:18.720 --> 01:13:21.180
go over and look for the half-god,
half-beast.

01:13:22.020 --> 01:13:23.160
Mokele Mbembe creature.

01:13:23.520 --> 01:13:25.100
This is in 1999.

01:13:26.100 --> 01:13:29.140
There have been about 30 expeditions into
that swamp looking for this creature right

01:13:29.140 --> 01:13:29.340
here.

01:13:30.560 --> 01:13:33.660
Many of those that come back say,
man, all the natives over there know about

01:13:33.660 --> 01:13:33.800
it.

01:13:34.060 --> 01:13:36.660
It's like, you know, it's not a big deal.

01:13:37.660 --> 01:13:40.360
There have been so many expeditions,
30 some of them that I know of,

01:13:40.400 --> 01:13:41.120
plus maybe more.

01:13:41.820 --> 01:13:44.920
The natives claim that they live in caves
along the side of the rivers.

01:13:46.020 --> 01:13:47.260
And they're more active at night.

01:13:47.320 --> 01:13:48.620
Very difficult to spot these critters.

01:13:48.700 --> 01:13:49.400
And they stay underwater.

01:13:50.520 --> 01:13:53.300
So not only at night, but underwater at
night, which makes it even tougher to see.

01:13:53.980 --> 01:13:55.140
Roy Mackle wrote a book about it.

01:13:55.140 --> 01:13:55.680
We sell the book.

01:13:55.740 --> 01:13:57.120
We're finally able to get some from the
Netherlands.

01:13:57.280 --> 01:13:58.940
If you want to get his book, it's like 25
bucks.

01:13:58.940 --> 01:14:00.800
But it's about a living dinosaur.

01:14:01.300 --> 01:14:02.580
Now Roy Mackle believes in evolution.

01:14:03.580 --> 01:14:05.280
After going over to the swamp,
he came back.

01:14:05.360 --> 01:14:06.180
He went over there twice.

01:14:06.400 --> 01:14:07.440
Spent a quarter million dollars.

01:14:08.160 --> 01:14:11.760
He came back and said, folks, there are
some dinosaurs still alive.

01:14:12.580 --> 01:14:16.000
And then he said, it's amazing they
survived for 70 million years.

01:14:17.680 --> 01:14:19.940
Well, we're working on Roy about that one.

01:14:20.420 --> 01:14:21.680
It's not millions of years ago.

01:14:22.700 --> 01:14:25.540
William Gibbons from Canada has been over
there four times now.

01:14:25.600 --> 01:14:28.780
He and I wrote this book together,
Claws, Jaws, and Dinosaurs.

01:14:30.080 --> 01:14:32.200
William contacted me and said,
I've been there four times.

01:14:32.260 --> 01:14:34.820
I said, William, I've been collecting
stuff for 30 years on cryptozoology.

01:14:34.900 --> 01:14:35.780
Let's write a little book together.

01:14:36.060 --> 01:14:39.380
So we did for kind of junior high,
lower high school age about dinosaurs

01:14:39.380 --> 01:14:40.720
still alive.

01:14:42.800 --> 01:14:47.320
William went back to Cameroon and he said,
he had a guide named Pierre Sima.

01:14:47.420 --> 01:14:50.480
He said, we were the first white man to
actually penetrate the forest and swamps

01:14:50.480 --> 01:14:52.700
bordering the Boomba River.

01:14:53.380 --> 01:14:56.420
Our informants, mostly all of them Baka
pygmies, with the exception of one elderly

01:14:56.420 --> 01:15:00.280
Muslim Cameroonian, are perfectly familiar
with all the known and unknown animals of

01:15:00.280 --> 01:15:01.120
the forest and swamps.

01:15:01.500 --> 01:15:04.960
They do not regard the lakele ambembe as
being an unusual animal.

01:15:05.380 --> 01:15:09.480
They do fear the creature because of its
ferocity in attacking hippos, elephants,

01:15:09.600 --> 01:15:10.380
and even crocodiles.

01:15:11.300 --> 01:15:14.220
The animal appears to be completely
intolerant of any other large creature

01:15:14.220 --> 01:15:18.360
that shares the river and controls large
stretches of the river, particularly those

01:15:18.360 --> 01:15:19.680
areas where its food supply is present.

01:15:20.340 --> 01:15:24.120
I was on 100 Huntley Street, a program
from Toronto, Canada one time.

01:15:24.220 --> 01:15:26.760
I'm sitting there getting ready to go on
the air, and there's another guy,

01:15:26.820 --> 01:15:29.160
a missionary, who's going to go on and
talk for a few minutes about his mission

01:15:29.160 --> 01:15:29.440
work.

01:15:29.860 --> 01:15:32.280
And he was looking through Roy Mackell's
book and he saw that picture.

01:15:32.460 --> 01:15:36.180
He said, Brother Hovind, my wife and I
were missionaries in Kenya, Africa for 15

01:15:36.180 --> 01:15:36.540
years.

01:15:36.880 --> 01:15:37.900
We saw one of those animals.

01:15:38.800 --> 01:15:40.480
He said, but the plates on the back were
bigger.

01:15:42.280 --> 01:15:45.500
There have been about five reported
sightings that I've been able to find in

01:15:45.500 --> 01:15:48.840
the last hundred years of people seeing
what apparently are stegosaurus type

01:15:48.840 --> 01:15:50.100
creatures, plates on the back.

01:15:51.700 --> 01:15:55.540
In South America, there's a jungle called
the Amazon jungle that is absolutely

01:15:55.540 --> 01:15:56.200
gigantic.

01:15:56.640 --> 01:15:59.420
There have been many reports of creatures
in the Amazon that are pretty strange.

01:15:59.620 --> 01:16:03.720
For instance, in 1907 Colonel Fawcett from
the British Army was sent down there to

01:16:03.720 --> 01:16:06.380
mark the border between a couple of
countries.

01:16:07.400 --> 01:16:09.700
He was known as a meticulous recorder of
facts.

01:16:10.380 --> 01:16:11.960
One of those no-nonsense kind of guys.

01:16:12.800 --> 01:16:16.740
He reported a creature that he believed to
be a diplodocus.

01:16:18.060 --> 01:16:22.160
The people down in that valley said,
oh, yeah, that animal's out there in the

01:16:22.160 --> 01:16:22.360
river.

01:16:23.420 --> 01:16:24.020
Don't bother them.

01:16:24.060 --> 01:16:24.540
They're not friendly.

01:16:25.100 --> 01:16:28.300
Colonel Fawcett's son drew a picture of
the footprints that they saw.

01:16:29.920 --> 01:16:32.240
Appears to be a three-toed dinosaur of
some kind.

01:16:34.220 --> 01:16:38.240
In 1883, this article came out in
Scientific American, before they became

01:16:38.240 --> 01:16:40.880
very careful about filtering out anything
that might support creation.

01:16:41.520 --> 01:16:43.400
Now they're very careful about filtering
that stuff out.

01:16:43.520 --> 01:16:46.120
You know, if it might support creation,
it'll never make the Scientific American

01:16:46.120 --> 01:16:46.440
paper.

01:16:46.440 --> 01:16:51.120
But this article said, the Brazilian
minister at La Paz, Bolivia, had remitted

01:16:51.120 --> 01:16:54.560
to the minister of foreign affairs in Rio
photographs of drawings of an

01:16:54.560 --> 01:16:58.980
extraordinary saurian dinosaur killed on
the Beni, that's the name of the river,

01:16:59.340 --> 01:17:00.760
after receiving 36 balls.

01:17:00.840 --> 01:17:01.860
They shot it 36 times.

01:17:02.740 --> 01:17:05.620
By order of the president of Bolivia,
the dried body, which had been preserved

01:17:05.620 --> 01:17:07.400
in a sanction, was sent to La Paz.

01:17:07.660 --> 01:17:12.820
It was 12 meters long, 39 feet,
with snout from to point of the tail.

01:17:13.460 --> 01:17:15.080
Describes the whole thing in Scientific
American.

01:17:15.080 --> 01:17:18.320
The neck is long, the belly large,
and almost dragging the ground.

01:17:19.380 --> 01:17:22.780
Professor Gilvete, who examined the beast,
thinks it is not a monster, but a member

01:17:22.780 --> 01:17:24.480
of a rare or almost lost species.

01:17:25.140 --> 01:17:28.200
As the Indians in some parts of Bolivia
used small earthen vases of identical

01:17:28.200 --> 01:17:30.080
shape and probably copied from nature.

01:17:32.640 --> 01:17:36.620
Here's a picture of a giant snake that
actually swallowed a human.

01:17:37.800 --> 01:17:39.600
There are some big snakes down there,
folks.

01:17:40.180 --> 01:17:40.760
They cut it open.

01:17:40.820 --> 01:17:41.820
There's a guy inside of it.

01:17:42.540 --> 01:17:47.260
Colonel Fawcett said he shot and killed a
62-foot anaconda snake.

01:17:48.280 --> 01:17:51.780
The natives that were with him said,
Colonel, you should see the big ones.

01:17:54.540 --> 01:17:55.540
This ain't a big one.

01:17:58.240 --> 01:18:01.700
Officials from the Brazil-Colombia
Boundary Commission in 1933 killed a

01:18:01.700 --> 01:18:04.120
98-foot snake with two foot diameter.

01:18:04.720 --> 01:18:05.840
They killed it with a machine gun.

01:18:06.560 --> 01:18:07.800
It weighed two tons.

01:18:08.240 --> 01:18:09.940
Four men were unable to lift its head.

01:18:11.820 --> 01:18:15.960
The cook from a hotel in the Amazon jungle
said he saw a 100-foot snake the military

01:18:15.960 --> 01:18:18.400
hunted down and killed because it ate two
of their soldiers.

01:18:20.180 --> 01:18:21.960
Snake's head was five feet long.

01:18:22.920 --> 01:18:25.340
Reuters news service reported this
creature back a few years ago,

01:18:25.420 --> 01:18:30.540
a 130-foot long serpent, the diameter
about 15 feet, crashed through the jungle.

01:18:32.000 --> 01:18:33.480
The soccer team was terrified.

01:18:33.600 --> 01:18:34.240
They saw it go by.

01:18:35.920 --> 01:18:41.120
1948, this picture was taken showing a
giant snake carcass floating down the

01:18:41.120 --> 01:18:41.300
river.

01:18:41.820 --> 01:18:44.060
The people said it might have been 150
feet long.

01:18:44.160 --> 01:18:45.840
Nobody poked it to see if it was alive.

01:18:47.180 --> 01:18:49.120
We'll just let that one go on by.

01:18:50.380 --> 01:18:54.440
See, many Americans cannot comprehend how
big the Amazon River is.

01:18:55.140 --> 01:18:57.900
I had one of my former students who was a
missionary down there for a while,

01:18:58.340 --> 01:18:59.640
right there in central Brazil.

01:18:59.960 --> 01:19:04.500
He said, Brother Hovind, where we live,
the Amazon is only nine miles wide.

01:19:06.060 --> 01:19:09.040
Can you imagine a river nine miles wide?

01:19:10.180 --> 01:19:11.080
That's a big river.

01:19:12.780 --> 01:19:15.440
There have been many creatures seen in
that South American region.

01:19:15.640 --> 01:19:16.520
We can talk more about that later.

01:19:16.740 --> 01:19:18.660
There's a famous lake called Loch Ness.

01:19:18.980 --> 01:19:20.680
How many has ever heard of Loch Ness
before?

01:19:21.320 --> 01:19:24.560
There's a big map on the table down here
under all the junk about the Loch Ness.

01:19:24.680 --> 01:19:26.240
It's a map from Scotland if you want to
read it.

01:19:26.620 --> 01:19:30.280
Loch Ness is about 24 miles long,
a mile to a mile and a half wide,

01:19:30.360 --> 01:19:32.460
and up to 900 feet deep in places.

01:19:33.680 --> 01:19:34.300
Big lake.

01:19:36.260 --> 01:19:40.620
In 1933, they blasted, with dynamite,
a groove into the side of the mountains to

01:19:40.620 --> 01:19:42.320
put a road along the edge of Loch Ness.

01:19:43.160 --> 01:19:46.020
Before that time, if you wanted to see the
lake, you had to climb over the mountains.

01:19:46.580 --> 01:19:48.240
Because the road was on the wrong side of
the mountains.

01:19:49.500 --> 01:19:52.720
Very sparsely populated up in that region
of Scotland, northern Scotland.

01:19:53.460 --> 01:19:57.200
Well, 1933, they put a roadbed in there,
and then there began to be many sightings

01:19:57.200 --> 01:19:58.140
of the Loch Ness monster.

01:19:58.360 --> 01:20:00.200
There were sightings before, but mostly
local people.

01:20:00.620 --> 01:20:02.160
And the news didn't get out much.

01:20:02.260 --> 01:20:04.220
And if it did, people thought,
well, they had been drinking too much.

01:20:04.280 --> 01:20:06.320
You know, something up there in the hills
of Scotland.

01:20:07.800 --> 01:20:12.420
Well, this author said there had been
9,000 reported sightings of the Loch Ness

01:20:12.420 --> 01:20:12.740
monster.

01:20:12.840 --> 01:20:15.220
The first year they put the road in,
there were 52 separate sightings.

01:20:16.740 --> 01:20:18.880
He said there had been 9,000 reported
sightings.

01:20:19.940 --> 01:20:21.360
Today, it's over 11,000.

01:20:22.340 --> 01:20:24.640
Many are certainly fakes and frauds,
I understand.

01:20:24.820 --> 01:20:28.580
But the fact that there are a few fakes
and frauds does not discredit all 11,000.

01:20:29.280 --> 01:20:31.540
Sir Peter Scott said, I believe in the
Loch Ness monster.

01:20:31.620 --> 01:20:32.620
He's a member of parliament.

01:20:34.000 --> 01:20:34.760
He said, I believe in it.

01:20:34.840 --> 01:20:36.540
Most of them say it's a plesiosaurus.

01:20:37.220 --> 01:20:38.980
A plesiosaur is this kind.

01:20:39.040 --> 01:20:42.560
There are about, I'm going to say,
five or maybe six different kinds of

01:20:42.560 --> 01:20:44.220
swimming dinosaurs that are similar to
this.

01:20:45.240 --> 01:20:47.900
The plesiosaur, the elasmosaur,
a couple of other unusual ones.

01:20:48.600 --> 01:20:50.990
Well, this author said there is one thing
wrong with Nessie being a plesiosaur.

01:20:52.660 --> 01:20:54.880
Plesiosaurs became extinct 70 million
years ago.

01:20:56.000 --> 01:20:57.560
Oh, is that what's wrong with the theory?

01:20:57.560 --> 01:21:01.020
Yeah, we better throw out all the evidence
then, since it doesn't match your theory.

01:21:02.800 --> 01:21:07.560
When you get 11,000 people who claim
they've seen something, maybe they've seen

01:21:07.560 --> 01:21:07.960
something.

01:21:09.600 --> 01:21:11.520
Arthur Grant was a veterinarian student.

01:21:11.840 --> 01:21:13.640
He nearly ran into Nessie on his
motorcycle.

01:21:15.140 --> 01:21:15.880
Here's what he said.

01:21:16.460 --> 01:21:18.220
He said, I had a splendid view of the
object.

01:21:18.340 --> 01:21:20.300
In fact, I almost struck it with my
motorcycle.

01:21:20.440 --> 01:21:23.600
It had a long neck, oval-shaped eyes,
on top of a small head.

01:21:23.980 --> 01:21:26.360
The tail would be five to six feet long
and very powerful.

01:21:26.360 --> 01:21:29.240
He said, the total length of the animal,
15 to 20 feet.

01:21:29.720 --> 01:21:32.640
Knowing something of natural history,
I can say I've never seen anything in my

01:21:32.640 --> 01:21:34.100
life like the animal I saw.

01:21:34.240 --> 01:21:34.980
It looked like a hybrid.

01:21:35.940 --> 01:21:36.620
That's what he wrote about it.

01:21:36.640 --> 01:21:39.940
He drew that sketch right there,
after nearly hitting it with his

01:21:39.940 --> 01:21:40.520
motorcycle.

01:21:41.380 --> 01:21:45.220
Alexander Campbell was the game warden for
Loch Ness for 47 years.

01:21:46.020 --> 01:21:49.360
He said, I saw Nessie 18 times.

01:21:50.480 --> 01:21:51.660
He said, it looked like that.

01:21:52.280 --> 01:21:54.540
He said, the closest he ever saw it was
three feet away.

01:21:54.540 --> 01:21:57.740
He was out in his boat, sitting there,
motor not running.

01:21:57.840 --> 01:21:58.620
He'd been sitting there for hours.

01:21:59.000 --> 01:22:00.840
All of a sudden, Nessie popped its head up
beside his boat.

01:22:01.740 --> 01:22:03.100
Scared both of them half to death.

01:22:04.360 --> 01:22:05.700
Nessie took off and he took off.

01:22:06.960 --> 01:22:08.400
People have tried to catch it with cages.

01:22:08.500 --> 01:22:10.740
They've tried everything you can imagine
and some things you can't imagine trying

01:22:10.740 --> 01:22:11.780
to catch Nessie out there.

01:22:12.120 --> 01:22:13.320
This is a gigantic lake.

01:22:13.760 --> 01:22:17.580
Loch Ness is big enough that everybody in
the world could go drowned in it at the

01:22:17.580 --> 01:22:18.040
same time.

01:22:19.520 --> 01:22:22.360
That lake would hold six billion bodies.

01:22:24.540 --> 01:22:25.200
It's a big lake.

01:22:26.700 --> 01:22:28.060
Many folks claim they've seen Nessie.

01:22:28.120 --> 01:22:31.420
One family said they saw it with a sheep
in its mouth, headed back for the water.

01:22:32.780 --> 01:22:35.120
This guy got a picture of it with its back
sticking out of the water.

01:22:35.220 --> 01:22:36.140
Here's the neck over here.

01:22:36.700 --> 01:22:38.820
When they republished this picture in
Reader's Digest...

01:22:38.820 --> 01:22:39.960
I've got it on the table down here
somewhere.

01:22:41.280 --> 01:22:42.380
They cropped the head off.

01:22:42.440 --> 01:22:43.940
You know, Reader's Digest, shortened
version.

01:22:45.100 --> 01:22:46.620
All they show is the hump on the back.

01:22:48.760 --> 01:22:51.120
McLeod said he watched it for nine minutes
through binoculars.

01:22:51.240 --> 01:22:52.860
He drew four sketches of what he saw.

01:22:52.860 --> 01:22:55.980
He said it was halfway out of the water,
on shore, on the other side.

01:22:56.080 --> 01:22:57.260
You know, a mile away, pretty far.

01:22:57.900 --> 01:23:00.600
But he said it put a big flipper up on
shore and pushed off and rolled back into

01:23:00.600 --> 01:23:00.940
the water.

01:23:01.760 --> 01:23:04.640
After watching it for nine minutes,
he said the head was moving back and forth

01:23:04.640 --> 01:23:06.360
in the brush, like a snake.

01:23:07.040 --> 01:23:08.240
He said, I think it looks like that.

01:23:08.620 --> 01:23:10.400
That's his sketch of Loch Ness Monster.

01:23:12.140 --> 01:23:15.300
Several folks have reported like horns or
tubes on top of the head.

01:23:15.400 --> 01:23:16.620
Maybe breathing tubes or maybe horns.

01:23:16.680 --> 01:23:18.860
Maybe there's a male and female that,
you know, one's different than the other.

01:23:18.920 --> 01:23:19.400
I don't know.

01:23:20.140 --> 01:23:23.100
World Book Encyclopedia put a submarine
over there.

01:23:23.380 --> 01:23:26.480
They spent a fortune bringing a submarine
from Georgia or South Carolina.

01:23:26.760 --> 01:23:27.960
They took it over there and put it in the
water.

01:23:28.280 --> 01:23:30.980
The guy went down in the sub and said,
it's like raisin.

01:23:31.260 --> 01:23:33.600
It's wrinkled up and there are many places
to hide.

01:23:34.460 --> 01:23:37.320
And I'm sure Nessie heard 24 boats coming
down the lake.

01:23:38.180 --> 01:23:40.120
You know, sound travels really good
underwater.

01:23:41.200 --> 01:23:44.780
There could be caves off the side of Loch
Ness going up into the mountainous

01:23:44.780 --> 01:23:45.740
regions, right on the side.

01:23:46.720 --> 01:23:48.500
It's kind of what they call karst
topography.

01:23:48.500 --> 01:23:51.200
Very porous ground over there.

01:23:51.620 --> 01:23:54.100
Nessie may have wintering grounds up
inside a cave someplace.

01:23:54.260 --> 01:23:55.660
Where there'd be an air chamber,
an air lock.

01:23:55.740 --> 01:23:56.160
I don't know.

01:23:56.200 --> 01:23:57.140
Just one theory about that.

01:23:57.780 --> 01:24:00.880
The Academy of Applied Science went over
there and so they got a picture underwater

01:24:00.880 --> 01:24:01.560
of its flipper.

01:24:02.580 --> 01:24:03.480
Which is a good trick.

01:24:03.560 --> 01:24:06.780
Now the water is muddy but they set up
sonar activated cameras.

01:24:07.400 --> 01:24:08.600
They said Nessie swam past.

01:24:09.340 --> 01:24:11.700
They took pictures of all kinds of fish
and finally got this giant flipper

01:24:11.700 --> 01:24:12.020
picture.

01:24:14.440 --> 01:24:17.000
Nessie has apparently four big diamond
shaped flippers.

01:24:17.000 --> 01:24:20.720
Here's the picture in Reader's Digest
showing Nessie with its mouth open.

01:24:22.340 --> 01:24:23.820
Many folks have gotten pictures.

01:24:24.200 --> 01:24:26.780
They claim this picture is a fake and it
very well could be a fake.

01:24:26.920 --> 01:24:27.440
I don't know.

01:24:27.960 --> 01:24:29.020
But I think it's awfully interesting.

01:24:29.460 --> 01:24:31.900
They waited until the last guy who was
involved died.

01:24:32.740 --> 01:24:34.300
And then announced it's a fake.

01:24:35.520 --> 01:24:37.440
They claim that he said it was a fake on
his deathbed.

01:24:37.480 --> 01:24:38.840
But he's dead now so how are we going to
ask him?

01:24:39.460 --> 01:24:40.440
A little fishy there.

01:24:40.520 --> 01:24:41.820
But anyway, I'll accept it.

01:24:41.860 --> 01:24:42.640
Let's assume it's a fake.

01:24:42.680 --> 01:24:42.860
Maybe.

01:24:42.860 --> 01:24:46.560
But there are seven other lakes in
Scotland reporting creatures like this.

01:24:46.680 --> 01:24:47.780
Loch Lochie, Loch Morag.

01:24:47.840 --> 01:24:48.820
All you have to do is go to the library.

01:24:49.260 --> 01:24:52.460
If it's on the Dewey system, go to 001.9.

01:24:52.480 --> 01:24:53.860
And there will be books about Loch Ness
Monster.

01:24:53.940 --> 01:24:55.380
If it's on the Library of Congress system,
go to QL89.

01:24:56.060 --> 01:24:57.400
And there will be books about Loch Ness
Monster.

01:24:57.460 --> 01:25:00.740
I've read every one I can find in many,
many libraries.

01:25:00.820 --> 01:25:02.220
There are lots of books on this topic.

01:25:03.060 --> 01:25:04.920
I was in Wales a few months ago.

01:25:05.180 --> 01:25:08.040
Just south of Wales there is a bay called
Cornwallis.

01:25:08.120 --> 01:25:09.200
The Cornish Sea.

01:25:09.720 --> 01:25:12.280
Many folks reported seeing the Cornish Sea
Serpent.

01:25:13.120 --> 01:25:13.840
Down there.

01:25:14.500 --> 01:25:17.440
In the English Channel there have been
many reports of a creature like Loch Ness

01:25:17.440 --> 01:25:17.800
Monster.

01:25:18.460 --> 01:25:19.540
In the English Channel.

01:25:21.080 --> 01:25:25.140
In 1766, we believe, the dictionary we
have, the cover page is torn off,

01:25:25.200 --> 01:25:27.200
we're not sure, but we think it's a 1766
dictionary.

01:25:27.820 --> 01:25:33.700
They listed Sea Dragon as a marine monster
caught in England in 1749, resembling in

01:25:33.700 --> 01:25:37.160
some degree an alligator, but having two
large fins which served for swimming or

01:25:37.160 --> 01:25:37.540
flying.

01:25:38.400 --> 01:25:41.780
It had two legs terminating in hoofs like
those of an ass, the body is covered with

01:25:41.780 --> 01:25:42.820
impenetrable scales.

01:25:43.220 --> 01:25:44.420
It had five rows of teeth.

01:25:45.960 --> 01:25:46.320
Interesting.

01:25:47.240 --> 01:25:50.140
This thing washed up on the beach in
Normandy, France, where a D-Day took

01:25:50.140 --> 01:25:50.460
place.

01:25:50.960 --> 01:25:52.060
This happened way before that though.

01:25:53.120 --> 01:25:54.920
1934, the creature washed up on the beach.

01:25:55.360 --> 01:25:56.360
Professors came and looked at it.

01:25:56.380 --> 01:25:58.460
They said it's not a whale, it's not a sea
cow.

01:25:58.860 --> 01:26:01.180
It is possible we're in the presence of an
unknown species.

01:26:01.400 --> 01:26:03.540
Time Magazine, 1934.

01:26:04.860 --> 01:26:07.860
Two scientists were on board a ship down
near Brazil when this thing swam past

01:26:07.860 --> 01:26:08.200
their boat.

01:26:09.340 --> 01:26:10.720
They observed it from the yacht.

01:26:10.720 --> 01:26:14.100
They said it had a dorsal fin six feet
long, two feet high, a small head on a

01:26:14.100 --> 01:26:16.620
neck about seven or eight feet long in
front of the fin.

01:26:17.960 --> 01:26:21.540
Two experienced naturalists saw it and
reported the sighting.

01:26:22.660 --> 01:26:24.740
What they claimed was something unknown to
science.

01:26:25.620 --> 01:26:29.440
This guy said, I saw, swimming parallel to
the ship underwater, a curious creature

01:26:29.440 --> 01:26:32.280
about four feet long with a long neck and
large flippers.

01:26:33.180 --> 01:26:36.660
I believe, as did my wife, who also saw it
was a young plesiosaurus.

01:26:37.100 --> 01:26:40.760
A Queensland correspondent wrote me that a
young plesiosaur was taken in a net off

01:26:40.760 --> 01:26:41.860
Mudgee Beach, Australia.

01:26:42.500 --> 01:26:45.660
He sent me a sketch which was like the one
I myself saw off the coast of Greece.

01:26:45.900 --> 01:26:50.080
Sir Arthur Conan Doyle said that.

01:26:50.940 --> 01:26:51.380
Interesting.

01:26:52.000 --> 01:26:55.580
Down near the coast of New Zealand,
a Japanese fishing boat pulled this thing

01:26:55.580 --> 01:26:56.720
up out of their water one time.

01:26:57.400 --> 01:26:57.840
1977.

01:26:58.600 --> 01:27:02.100
It was 4,000 pounds, 32 feet long.

01:27:03.600 --> 01:27:04.600
They said, what is that?

01:27:05.280 --> 01:27:06.260
They took a bunch of pictures.

01:27:06.740 --> 01:27:08.960
The sailors on board thought it was
something really unusual.

01:27:08.960 --> 01:27:12.780
They took all kinds of photos of it,
took some skin samples, and threw it back.

01:27:12.860 --> 01:27:14.300
It stunk real bad.

01:27:15.800 --> 01:27:18.780
The marine biologists on board made that
sketch of the bones.

01:27:19.760 --> 01:27:22.460
They made a special stamp for Japanese
mail, 1977.

01:27:22.820 --> 01:27:24.420
There is one on the yellow poster in front
of the table here.

01:27:24.820 --> 01:27:25.800
If you want to see the stamp they made.

01:27:26.540 --> 01:27:28.880
Some folks today claim it was a basking
shark.

01:27:28.980 --> 01:27:29.900
It certainly could be.

01:27:30.000 --> 01:27:30.540
I don't know.

01:27:30.620 --> 01:27:31.460
But they don't know either.

01:27:32.160 --> 01:27:35.360
The scientists who had it in their hands
said, we think it's a plesiosaurus.

01:27:36.740 --> 01:27:37.520
Now it's true.

01:27:37.600 --> 01:27:38.460
They analyzed the protein.

01:27:38.560 --> 01:27:40.880
It was 96% similar to shark protein.

01:27:41.980 --> 01:27:43.440
Okay, that doesn't mean it's sharks.

01:27:43.680 --> 01:27:44.180
It could be.

01:27:44.660 --> 01:27:47.600
Nobody's ever seen plesiosaur protein to
know what it's supposed to look like.

01:27:48.800 --> 01:27:50.040
And I don't know if it's a shark or not.

01:27:50.080 --> 01:27:50.940
I just say it's interesting.

01:27:51.040 --> 01:27:53.000
They caught this thing and they claimed it
was a plesiosaurus.

01:27:54.860 --> 01:27:56.600
They say it's got the protein elastin in
it.

01:27:56.620 --> 01:27:58.400
Well, a lot of animals have elastin in it.

01:27:59.300 --> 01:28:00.780
96% similar to shark protein.

01:28:00.900 --> 01:28:01.340
So what?

01:28:01.460 --> 01:28:05.900
Humans and apes are very similar in their
protein structure, but are very different

01:28:05.900 --> 01:28:06.260
creatures.

01:28:07.120 --> 01:28:08.560
Nobody's ever seen plesiosaur protein.

01:28:08.660 --> 01:28:10.700
The fishermen had it and said,
we know what basking sharks are.

01:28:10.720 --> 01:28:12.000
And they didn't think it was a basking
shark.

01:28:12.140 --> 01:28:13.480
So the story still rages.

01:28:13.600 --> 01:28:15.720
And there are some creationist
organizations that don't like me,

01:28:15.840 --> 01:28:18.260
because I even mention the fact that they
might have had a plesiosaur.

01:28:18.880 --> 01:28:20.660
I'm just bringing it up for study
purposes.

01:28:21.280 --> 01:28:24.880
Some Russian scientists claim they saw a
dinosaur in a lake in Russia.

01:28:27.040 --> 01:28:30.600
In 1994, a 39-foot carcass washed up on
the beach in Russia.

01:28:31.620 --> 01:28:32.560
And everybody said it was a dinosaur.

01:28:32.560 --> 01:28:38.120
In Japan, up on the North Island of Japan,
there have been reports of a creature like

01:28:38.120 --> 01:28:39.380
a dinosaur in a lake there.

01:28:39.660 --> 01:28:41.400
There is also one on the South Island of
Japan.

01:28:41.860 --> 01:28:43.640
The people there call it Ishi.

01:28:45.300 --> 01:28:48.100
In China, there have been reported
sightings of a creature similar to a

01:28:48.100 --> 01:28:48.440
dinosaur.

01:28:49.220 --> 01:28:50.360
They call it a U.S.O.

01:28:50.960 --> 01:28:52.200
Unidentified Swimming Object.

01:28:53.660 --> 01:28:54.320
What would you call it?

01:28:55.000 --> 01:28:58.380
There are several lakes in Norway and
Sweden reporting creatures like this.

01:28:58.440 --> 01:29:02.120
There are many legends from ancient
Swedish and Norwegian artwork showing what

01:29:02.120 --> 01:29:03.300
appear to be dinosaurs.

01:29:04.720 --> 01:29:08.640
Canada has many lakes reporting creatures
that are called Canadian Lake Monsters.

01:29:09.420 --> 01:29:10.200
Nessie's Cousin?

01:29:10.980 --> 01:29:13.340
Nessie's Canadian Cousin is an article
here in the paper.

01:29:14.060 --> 01:29:17.620
From the town of Kelowna, British
Columbia, north of Washington.

01:29:18.200 --> 01:29:19.340
There is a giant lake there.

01:29:19.400 --> 01:29:20.760
The lake is 80 miles long.

01:29:21.320 --> 01:29:23.260
The people there call it the Ogo Pogo.

01:29:24.180 --> 01:29:25.720
Now, what is the Ogo Pogo?

01:29:26.660 --> 01:29:28.740
Well, the Indians warned the white
settlers when they came out there.

01:29:28.740 --> 01:29:30.280
They said, oh, be careful about the Ogo
Pogo.

01:29:30.980 --> 01:29:32.620
He will tip your canoe over and kill you.

01:29:35.060 --> 01:29:38.040
This article says right here, they were
the latest among thousands to see

01:29:38.040 --> 01:29:41.900
something strange in this narrow 80 mile
long lake in southern British Columbia.

01:29:42.760 --> 01:29:45.880
One swimmer was swimming out there in the
lake and he said this creature came up

01:29:45.880 --> 01:29:46.200
under him.

01:29:46.780 --> 01:29:48.240
He said it was 20 to 30 feet long.

01:29:49.720 --> 01:29:51.400
He said, we have never seen a sturgeon in
the lake.

01:29:51.480 --> 01:29:52.760
Some people thought it might be a big
sturgeon.

01:29:52.880 --> 01:29:54.560
He said, nobody has ever seen a sturgeon
in that lake.

01:29:55.400 --> 01:29:59.680
The creature showed up on sonar scan here
from the Kelowna newspaper, Daily Courier,

01:29:59.980 --> 01:30:01.060
in the year 2000.

01:30:01.760 --> 01:30:05.280
There is another creature called
Cadburosaurus, which apparently is on the

01:30:05.280 --> 01:30:08.960
Pacific coast along from British Columbia
down as far as Oregon.

01:30:09.720 --> 01:30:11.020
The caddy, they call it.

01:30:11.940 --> 01:30:16.140
A couple of scientists actually have spent
years studying the Cadburosaurus and

01:30:16.140 --> 01:30:16.860
written books about it.

01:30:16.920 --> 01:30:20.820
Professor LeBlanc from the University of
British Columbia says it is probably a new

01:30:20.820 --> 01:30:21.760
species to science.

01:30:22.280 --> 01:30:24.940
The remains of a baby one are found inside
the stomach of a sperm whale.

01:30:25.620 --> 01:30:28.300
Adult caddies get 7 meters long,
about 22 feet long.

01:30:29.320 --> 01:30:33.760
They say it has a long neck and short
pointed front flippers and a horse-like

01:30:33.760 --> 01:30:34.140
head.

01:30:35.000 --> 01:30:38.340
One guy was actually out there with a
sailboat and caught one.

01:30:38.840 --> 01:30:40.580
A little baby one, about 18 inches long.

01:30:40.920 --> 01:30:43.340
He put it up in his dip net, put it in a
bucket, drew a sketch of it.

01:30:43.360 --> 01:30:43.860
There is the sketch.

01:30:44.820 --> 01:30:45.520
He didn't know what it was.

01:30:45.580 --> 01:30:46.280
He didn't have a camera.

01:30:46.740 --> 01:30:48.180
But it was obviously trying to get out of
the bucket.

01:30:48.300 --> 01:30:49.900
It was panicking, trying to get out.

01:30:49.900 --> 01:30:50.720
So he dumped it overboard.

01:30:51.280 --> 01:30:51.980
Let it go.

01:30:52.760 --> 01:30:54.100
But that is the sketch he drew.

01:30:54.660 --> 01:30:57.780
I interviewed this guy for an hour up in
Canada.

01:30:58.500 --> 01:31:01.640
He and his three buddies there saw a
creature that actually chased their boat

01:31:02.460 --> 01:31:04.700
off the coast of Cape Sable Island,
Nova Scotia.

01:31:05.460 --> 01:31:06.940
I preached up there about 10 years ago.

01:31:07.320 --> 01:31:07.940
I met with the guy.

01:31:08.060 --> 01:31:08.700
Here is what he told me.

01:31:09.140 --> 01:31:12.560
He said, Dr. Hovind, he was 67 years old
at the time.

01:31:12.640 --> 01:31:14.380
He said he had been fishing out there
since he was 5.

01:31:14.420 --> 01:31:15.160
It is a fishing village.

01:31:16.740 --> 01:31:20.340
He said a 40 to 50 foot long creature
chased their boat for 1 to 2 miles with

01:31:20.340 --> 01:31:22.000
its head out of the water, about 15 feet.

01:31:22.340 --> 01:31:23.080
That is not a fish.

01:31:24.680 --> 01:31:28.260
He said it had a wide mouth and 4 foot
tusks like a walrus, as well as other

01:31:28.260 --> 01:31:30.240
pointed sharp teeth about the size of his
finger.

01:31:30.680 --> 01:31:31.960
I showed him a plesiosaur.

01:31:32.620 --> 01:31:34.560
He said, well, that is close, but it is
not exactly like that.

01:31:34.620 --> 01:31:38.160
He said the neck that he saw was 2 foot
diameter and the eyes were 8 to 9 inch

01:31:38.160 --> 01:31:38.580
diameter.

01:31:40.220 --> 01:31:40.440
Hmm.

01:31:41.900 --> 01:31:44.920
He said they were 6 miles south of Cape
Sable Island, Nova Scotia.

01:31:45.000 --> 01:31:47.620
The water was 180 feet deep and flat cam.

01:31:47.620 --> 01:31:49.520
They say calm cam, flat cam.

01:31:49.600 --> 01:31:50.440
I said, what do you mean flat cam?

01:31:50.500 --> 01:31:51.760
He said, flat cam, no waves.

01:31:52.040 --> 01:31:52.980
Oh, you mean calm.

01:31:53.320 --> 01:31:56.020
He said, I don't want to see it again.

01:31:57.220 --> 01:31:58.120
That is what he told me.

01:31:58.580 --> 01:32:00.520
The other three guys refused to even talk
to me.

01:32:00.720 --> 01:32:02.220
They said, look, we got laughed at enough.

01:32:02.300 --> 01:32:03.140
We are not even going to talk about it.

01:32:05.820 --> 01:32:10.260
This thing washed up on the beach in
Newfoundland, Canada, about 2 years ago.

01:32:10.760 --> 01:32:11.700
Nobody ever identified it.

01:32:11.780 --> 01:32:12.940
Giant creature of some kind.

01:32:13.340 --> 01:32:15.460
Another one came up in Parkers Cove,
Canada.

01:32:15.460 --> 01:32:16.120
This thing.

01:32:17.040 --> 01:32:19.460
I had a guy come to my house and spent 2
hours talking to me.

01:32:19.540 --> 01:32:21.240
He said, I was vacationing up there.

01:32:21.280 --> 01:32:24.300
He said, I've got a bed and breakfast
right near there.

01:32:24.660 --> 01:32:26.060
He said, this thing washed up on the
beach.

01:32:26.380 --> 01:32:27.960
I've got a whole article of him talking to
me.

01:32:28.040 --> 01:32:29.360
September 18, 2002.

01:32:29.880 --> 01:32:33.040
He said, I went over to Parkers Cove,
2 hours drive, saw this creature laying on

01:32:33.040 --> 01:32:33.380
the beach.

01:32:34.200 --> 01:32:36.180
He said, some of the scientists said it
was a basking shark.

01:32:36.260 --> 01:32:37.780
Other people said, no, it's not a basking
shark.

01:32:37.860 --> 01:32:38.600
You know, typical argument.

01:32:39.240 --> 01:32:40.460
All they knew was it stunk.

01:32:42.040 --> 01:32:45.360
Everybody kept cutting pieces off of it to
have a piece of the sea monster to take

01:32:45.360 --> 01:32:45.660
home.

01:32:46.580 --> 01:32:49.020
But there were articles in the paper about
this giant creature, whatever it was.

01:32:49.080 --> 01:32:50.660
I don't think it was ever positively
identified.

01:32:51.220 --> 01:32:52.860
Except some folks think it was a sea
monster.

01:32:52.980 --> 01:32:54.540
Some folks think it was a basking shark.

01:32:54.640 --> 01:32:55.140
I don't know.

01:32:55.580 --> 01:32:56.340
But it's gone now.

01:32:56.720 --> 01:32:59.700
There are a couple of samples though that
people up in Canada still have.

01:32:59.780 --> 01:33:03.020
I think it would be worth getting those
analyzed scientifically to get the

01:33:03.020 --> 01:33:03.960
structure of it.

01:33:04.040 --> 01:33:05.020
It had a little hair on it.

01:33:05.640 --> 01:33:07.060
I don't know of any sharks that have
little hairs.

01:33:07.120 --> 01:33:08.960
Unless that is frayed protein,
which it could be.

01:33:09.000 --> 01:33:11.260
But it appears to be some type of hair or
fur.

01:33:11.260 --> 01:33:11.960
Whatever it is.

01:33:12.500 --> 01:33:15.060
Many people reported this creature as
having a hair or fur on it.

01:33:15.980 --> 01:33:16.680
There's all the pictures.

01:33:16.840 --> 01:33:18.080
You can see for yourself what it is.

01:33:18.720 --> 01:33:21.920
We've got all kinds of books out there on
the table or on my website, Dr. Dino,

01:33:22.100 --> 01:33:24.740
about dinosaurs living with people.

01:33:25.560 --> 01:33:28.120
I interviewed Jacques Boivet right here
for three hours.

01:33:29.360 --> 01:33:32.260
We talked and talked and talked because
he's been collecting for years sightings

01:33:32.260 --> 01:33:38.320
of the Lake Memphremagog monster,
which is between Vermont and Quebec,

01:33:38.400 --> 01:33:38.620
Canada.

01:33:38.620 --> 01:33:43.360
He has file after file of stories of
people who claim they've seen Memphrey.

01:33:44.520 --> 01:33:49.660
In 1992, just that one year alone,
there were eight sightings involving 26

01:33:49.660 --> 01:33:50.120
people.

01:33:50.620 --> 01:33:51.360
Just in that one year.

01:33:52.520 --> 01:33:55.220
There have been reports of some kind of
strange creature in the Potomac River.

01:33:55.580 --> 01:33:57.480
They say it resembles the Loch Ness
Monster.

01:33:59.340 --> 01:34:02.360
This one lady said her husband shot one of
the smaller monsters in the neck.

01:34:02.840 --> 01:34:04.360
It rose out of the water and disappeared.

01:34:05.100 --> 01:34:06.420
Took off down into the water again.

01:34:07.520 --> 01:34:10.780
In 1800s, there were many reported
sightings of a sea monster in Boston.

01:34:11.560 --> 01:34:14.060
Lots of people saw this thing,
like a giant sea snake.

01:34:16.500 --> 01:34:18.700
There's an island off the coast of Rhode
Island.

01:34:18.940 --> 01:34:20.540
The island is called Block Island.

01:34:21.840 --> 01:34:28.800
In 1994, I've got lots of material on this
one, 1996, a creature was caught there,

01:34:28.880 --> 01:34:29.700
14 feet long.

01:34:29.780 --> 01:34:30.320
Here's the sketch.

01:34:30.420 --> 01:34:31.760
Here's the actual picture of it right
here.

01:34:32.420 --> 01:34:33.860
Somebody stole the bones and it
disappeared.

01:34:33.960 --> 01:34:34.920
Nobody knows where it is now.

01:34:36.180 --> 01:34:38.360
But of course, they called it the Block
Ness Monster.

01:34:39.120 --> 01:34:39.800
You know, Block Island.

01:34:40.600 --> 01:34:43.200
In Lake Erie, there's been lots of people
claiming they've seen a creature in Lake

01:34:43.200 --> 01:34:43.560
Erie.

01:34:44.060 --> 01:34:45.900
Erie's Bessie matches Nessie.

01:34:46.420 --> 01:34:50.480
This article says, they describe it as
black, 35 feet long, with a snake-like

01:34:50.480 --> 01:34:50.860
head.

01:34:52.120 --> 01:34:55.040
There are many articles in the paper and
many folks will swear they've seen the

01:34:55.040 --> 01:34:55.820
Lake Erie Monster.

01:34:56.020 --> 01:34:57.600
We could spend two days on that one also.

01:34:58.060 --> 01:35:01.440
I talked to John Craft, who photographed
Lake Erie Monster.

01:35:01.940 --> 01:35:04.720
He said, Brother Hovind, I saw this
critter with its head sticking out of the

01:35:04.720 --> 01:35:04.980
water.

01:35:05.980 --> 01:35:08.000
By the time I got my camera set up,
the head was down.

01:35:08.080 --> 01:35:08.820
All I got was the back.

01:35:08.920 --> 01:35:09.100
Sorry.

01:35:10.920 --> 01:35:12.480
But that's the best picture I've got,
he said.

01:35:12.960 --> 01:35:16.080
I talked to Pete Peterson, who owns a bait
shop on Lake Erie.

01:35:16.380 --> 01:35:17.460
He's also a taxidermist.

01:35:17.880 --> 01:35:21.140
He said he was walking along the shore of
the beach and he saw this carcass and the

01:35:21.740 --> 01:35:22.760
seagulls were picking it apart.

01:35:23.300 --> 01:35:26.540
So he shooed off the gulls and got this
critter and took it home and stuffed it.

01:35:26.560 --> 01:35:27.380
He's a taxidermist.

01:35:29.200 --> 01:35:30.280
He said, I don't know what it is.

01:35:30.360 --> 01:35:31.360
It sure looks strange, doesn't it?

01:35:32.060 --> 01:35:33.720
I said, yes sir, that looks strange.

01:35:34.980 --> 01:35:36.320
It's in a museum in Texas now.

01:35:36.360 --> 01:35:37.620
It's never been positively identified.

01:35:39.900 --> 01:35:43.600
In Scituate Harbor, Massachusetts,
I went there and interviewed the sheriff,

01:35:43.660 --> 01:35:47.620
who was the first man on the scene,
when back in 1970, this thing washed up on

01:35:47.620 --> 01:35:47.960
the beach.

01:35:49.820 --> 01:35:53.820
He said a rock and roll music station came
on at three in the morning and announced

01:35:53.820 --> 01:35:55.240
there was a sea monster laying on the
beach.

01:35:56.160 --> 01:35:59.240
And people came from miles, plugged up
this little bitty town's highway system

01:35:59.240 --> 01:36:01.720
and everybody started cutting off chunks
of the sea monster.

01:36:02.880 --> 01:36:04.840
He said, Brother Hovind, I saw it before
it got cut up.

01:36:04.920 --> 01:36:07.580
He said, I'm telling you, that was some
kind of long neck sea monster.

01:36:08.860 --> 01:36:09.840
He said, I don't know what it was.

01:36:10.280 --> 01:36:11.840
Other people said it's a basking shark.

01:36:11.940 --> 01:36:13.380
That's always their answer, a basking
shark.

01:36:13.540 --> 01:36:15.300
It's a standard way to explain it.

01:36:15.360 --> 01:36:18.100
It could have been, but he said,
I saw it before it got cut up and it

01:36:18.100 --> 01:36:19.300
wasn't a shark of any kind.

01:36:19.380 --> 01:36:20.120
Not a basking shark.

01:36:20.800 --> 01:36:24.240
In California, 1925, this critter washed
up on the beach.

01:36:25.700 --> 01:36:26.900
There's the head right there.

01:36:28.040 --> 01:36:28.900
There's his eyeball.

01:36:29.160 --> 01:36:30.460
The neck comes down to the right here.

01:36:31.080 --> 01:36:33.500
This guy behind him has a rifle,
just in case it moves again.

01:36:35.960 --> 01:36:37.900
The neck was 20 feet long.

01:36:39.400 --> 01:36:42.040
The book, Shipwrecks and Sea Monsters,
out there on the table or on my website,

01:36:42.120 --> 01:36:43.140
has all these pictures in there.

01:36:43.940 --> 01:36:44.780
20 foot neck.

01:36:46.420 --> 01:36:48.900
I had one atheist wrote me a letter and
said, Hovind, you're so stupid.

01:36:49.400 --> 01:36:50.480
Don't you know that was a whale?

01:36:53.240 --> 01:36:56.340
I wrote back and said, Just exactly where
is the neck on a whale?

01:36:58.940 --> 01:37:01.260
It ought to be between the front flippers
and the head, don't you think?

01:37:03.540 --> 01:37:05.000
It's not a whale.

01:37:05.840 --> 01:37:06.060
Duh.

01:37:06.740 --> 01:37:08.460
One guy said, It's a bard's whale.

01:37:08.540 --> 01:37:10.440
A rare formed of bard's beaked whale.

01:37:10.540 --> 01:37:12.140
Well, there's a bard's beaked whale right
there.

01:37:12.200 --> 01:37:13.600
This thing had a 20 foot neck.

01:37:13.720 --> 01:37:14.720
I'm sorry, you're mistaken.

01:37:14.940 --> 01:37:15.940
It was a new creature.

01:37:16.380 --> 01:37:20.620
The people who saw it and examined it said
it was a plesiosaurus.

01:37:21.360 --> 01:37:22.840
If that bothers you, tough.

01:37:22.980 --> 01:37:23.900
That's what they said.

01:37:24.500 --> 01:37:27.280
The only reason it bothers some people
though is because they've already got a

01:37:27.280 --> 01:37:28.720
preconceived theory that they like.

01:37:29.240 --> 01:37:31.840
They like the evolution theory because it
gets rid of God.

01:37:32.620 --> 01:37:34.940
It's a wonderful way to leave God out of
the picture.

01:37:35.960 --> 01:37:39.600
Back in the 1930's and 40's, Monterey was
famous for having the world's famous

01:37:39.600 --> 01:37:40.400
sardine fleet.

01:37:40.560 --> 01:37:43.160
They'd go out there and catch sardines by
the gazillions and sell them all over the

01:37:43.160 --> 01:37:43.340
world.

01:37:44.080 --> 01:37:47.220
And many folks in the sardine fleet
reported sighting creatures like this.

01:37:47.220 --> 01:37:51.860
One crew said it surfaced right near their
boat and stared at the crew with large,

01:37:51.940 --> 01:37:55.140
baleful eyes from a rounded head that
topped a long, slender neck.

01:37:56.160 --> 01:37:57.260
Notice the shape of the head.

01:37:57.320 --> 01:37:58.400
It's shaped like a light bulb.

01:37:59.280 --> 01:38:00.620
We're going to see that again in a minute.

01:38:00.960 --> 01:38:04.020
A bulb-shaped head on top of a long neck.

01:38:05.620 --> 01:38:09.880
There's a book called Mysterious Sea
Monsters of California's Central Coast you

01:38:09.880 --> 01:38:10.720
can get from our website.

01:38:11.280 --> 01:38:15.640
In 1969, fishermen nearly dropped their
rods when they were fishing off one of the

01:38:15.640 --> 01:38:16.600
bridges in New York City.

01:38:17.100 --> 01:38:21.540
When the New York Harbor Patrol chased
this creature, bigger than a whale,

01:38:22.380 --> 01:38:24.860
upriver, past one of the largest cities in
the world.

01:38:26.440 --> 01:38:27.080
Couldn't catch it.

01:38:27.100 --> 01:38:27.740
They didn't know what it was.

01:38:28.100 --> 01:38:31.380
There are many stories of basilosauruses
still alive today.

01:38:32.120 --> 01:38:36.060
In White River, Arkansas, Newport,
Arkansas, there were many folks in the

01:38:36.060 --> 01:38:39.200
1970s who reported seeing the White River
Monster.

01:38:40.260 --> 01:38:46.000
There were so many reported sightings that
Arkansas Senate passed a designated the

01:38:46.000 --> 01:38:47.500
White River Monster Sanctuary.

01:38:47.680 --> 01:38:48.560
Passed a resolution.

01:38:49.040 --> 01:38:51.980
It's unlawful to molest, kill,
trample or harm the White River Monster.

01:38:53.380 --> 01:38:53.740
1973.

01:38:55.100 --> 01:38:57.000
I talked to Cloyce Warren who took that
photograph.

01:38:57.260 --> 01:38:59.120
I said, Cloyce, what was it?

01:39:00.000 --> 01:39:01.720
He said, Mr. Hovind, honestly,
I don't know.

01:39:02.180 --> 01:39:04.840
He said, I had a whole bunch of pictures
from the last roll of film I took.

01:39:05.220 --> 01:39:07.920
He said, I took them all into the
newspaper there in Newport, Arkansas and

01:39:07.920 --> 01:39:10.840
said, here, you've been laughing at us for
claiming there's a monster in the river.

01:39:10.840 --> 01:39:12.920
By the way, the river there is 100 feet
deep.

01:39:14.520 --> 01:39:15.540
I said, here's a roll of film.

01:39:15.600 --> 01:39:16.400
I haven't even opened it.

01:39:16.420 --> 01:39:18.480
You guys develop it and you'll see the
pictures.

01:39:18.560 --> 01:39:19.020
They're right on there.

01:39:19.740 --> 01:39:22.580
Well, the guy at the newspaper didn't
realize it was color film and developed it

01:39:22.580 --> 01:39:23.560
with black and white developer.

01:39:25.280 --> 01:39:26.020
Ruined the whole roll.

01:39:26.820 --> 01:39:28.840
So Cloyce went out and got one or two more
pictures.

01:39:29.000 --> 01:39:30.400
He said, they're not near as good as the
other ones I had.

01:39:30.420 --> 01:39:30.720
I'm sorry.

01:39:31.820 --> 01:39:35.780
In 1972, I believe, there was a flood that
filled in much of the river.

01:39:36.260 --> 01:39:37.360
These pictures were taken in 71.

01:39:38.040 --> 01:39:41.380
Arkansas Senate passed a resolution in 73,
a couple years later, to protect the White

01:39:41.380 --> 01:39:42.080
River monster.

01:39:42.940 --> 01:39:45.820
Off the coast of Jupiter, Florida,
there have been many reported sightings of

01:39:45.820 --> 01:39:46.380
creatures there.

01:39:46.700 --> 01:39:47.540
One guy wrote me this letter.

01:39:47.640 --> 01:39:50.220
He said, Dr. Hovind, during the 50s,
I was flying off Jupiter, Florida,

01:39:50.260 --> 01:39:50.760
where I lived.

01:39:50.860 --> 01:39:52.480
I was 7 or 8 miles out over the Gulf.

01:39:52.940 --> 01:39:54.380
The water was glass calm.

01:39:55.360 --> 01:39:56.360
Suddenly I saw an animal.

01:39:56.860 --> 01:39:57.840
Its head came out of the water.

01:39:58.080 --> 01:40:00.120
Its eyes stayed trained on me as I made
another pass.

01:40:00.400 --> 01:40:02.020
It appeared to be 30 plus feet long.

01:40:02.680 --> 01:40:05.940
Having seen the creature taken by the
Japanese fishing boat and later the

01:40:05.940 --> 01:40:10.480
drawing of the National Inquirer,
I would say this is the same creature.

01:40:11.960 --> 01:40:14.120
I didn't tell anybody for fear they would
think I was nuts.

01:40:14.860 --> 01:40:17.400
I was working for Pratt & Whitney Aircraft
Company with high security.

01:40:17.940 --> 01:40:20.700
Later my brother and I caught a pygmy
sperm whale for the Miami Sea Aquarium,

01:40:20.880 --> 01:40:21.420
Captain Gray.

01:40:21.760 --> 01:40:23.320
I hope this will further support your
belief.

01:40:24.160 --> 01:40:27.880
I get letters and calls and phone emails
like this just about every week.

01:40:28.000 --> 01:40:31.280
I've got huge files of people who claim
they have seen something that appears to

01:40:31.280 --> 01:40:32.720
be a dinosaur in this century.

01:40:33.880 --> 01:40:36.780
There's a big lake between New York and
Vermont called Lake Champlain.

01:40:37.620 --> 01:40:40.600
Many folks claim they've seen the Lake
Champlain Monster.

01:40:42.020 --> 01:40:44.020
I talked to Sandy Mancy that took this
picture.

01:40:44.760 --> 01:40:46.400
I said, Sandy, do you think you saw a
dinosaur?

01:40:47.320 --> 01:40:49.980
She said, oh no, I know I saw a dinosaur.

01:40:51.380 --> 01:40:53.700
She and her husband and two kids watched
it for ten minutes.

01:40:54.820 --> 01:40:58.260
We'll put at the end of this tape her
interview that I did with her describing

01:40:58.260 --> 01:40:59.920
the creature she saw, a plesiosaurus.

01:41:01.860 --> 01:41:06.040
Fifty-eight people in Lake Champlain saw
what appeared to be a creature thirty to

01:41:06.040 --> 01:41:08.460
thirty-five feet long swimming off the
port side of the boat.

01:41:09.440 --> 01:41:10.100
Two hundred feet away.

01:41:10.460 --> 01:41:11.380
They saw it for five minutes.

01:41:12.280 --> 01:41:13.720
The skipper said, don't tell me it's a
fish.

01:41:13.780 --> 01:41:15.720
If it was, it weighed three or five
thousand pounds.

01:41:16.920 --> 01:41:18.320
Discover Magazine ran that article.

01:41:19.680 --> 01:41:22.300
There are stories in the Bible of dragons
in the sea.

01:41:24.240 --> 01:41:26.820
The dragon in the sea, mentioned in Isaiah
27.

01:41:27.560 --> 01:41:33.180
In Pensacola, Florida, where I live,
back in 1963, five teenagers, older

01:41:33.180 --> 01:41:35.880
teenagers, decided to go scuba diving on
the Massachusetts.

01:41:37.200 --> 01:41:38.480
One of them came back.

01:41:39.420 --> 01:41:40.280
He made that sketch.

01:41:41.280 --> 01:41:42.320
He was frantic.

01:41:42.500 --> 01:41:44.240
He said, that thing ate my four friends.

01:41:45.660 --> 01:41:47.100
Here's the story as he told it.

01:41:47.680 --> 01:41:49.960
They were scuba diving on a sunken ship
called the Massachusetts.

01:41:50.660 --> 01:41:54.220
I've got page after page after page of
interviews and stories and things about

01:41:54.220 --> 01:41:57.600
this creature, but he said, we were an Air
Force rescue raft bound for a sunken ship

01:41:57.600 --> 01:41:58.640
a few miles off the coast.

01:41:59.280 --> 01:42:01.720
Midway out, we got caught in a storm and
dragged out to sea.

01:42:03.780 --> 01:42:06.580
When the storm cleared, we were in a dense
fog.

01:42:06.680 --> 01:42:09.620
We began to hear strange noises,
rather like the splashing of a porpoise.

01:42:10.980 --> 01:42:12.860
Also, a sickening odor like dead fish.

01:42:13.360 --> 01:42:16.260
The noise got closer to the raft and we
heard a loud hissing sound.

01:42:16.900 --> 01:42:19.880
Out in the fog, we saw what looked like a
long pole about ten feet high,

01:42:19.980 --> 01:42:21.080
sticking straight up out of the water.

01:42:21.500 --> 01:42:23.200
On top was a bulb-like structure.

01:42:24.740 --> 01:42:26.440
He said, it bent in the middle and went
under.

01:42:27.140 --> 01:42:29.580
It appeared several more times,
getting closer to the raft.

01:42:30.020 --> 01:42:32.460
The silence was broken once again by
something out of the fog.

01:42:32.540 --> 01:42:34.540
I can only describe it as a high-pitched
whine.

01:42:35.600 --> 01:42:36.320
We panicked.

01:42:36.700 --> 01:42:39.260
All five of us put on our fins and went
into the water.

01:42:39.800 --> 01:42:41.640
Keep together and try for the ship,
I yelled.

01:42:42.360 --> 01:42:44.540
After we got in the water, we became split
up in the fog.

01:42:44.640 --> 01:42:47.020
From behind, I could hear the screams of
my comrades one by one.

01:42:47.600 --> 01:42:50.300
I got a closer look at the thing just
before my last friend went under.

01:42:50.780 --> 01:42:53.520
The neck was about twelve feet long,
brownish green and smooth looking.

01:42:53.520 --> 01:42:55.980
The head was like a sea turtle,
except more elongated.

01:42:56.680 --> 01:42:58.820
He said the eyes were green with oval
pupils.

01:42:59.880 --> 01:43:02.340
In a different book, he interviewed
several folks after this happened,

01:43:02.380 --> 01:43:04.080
and then he stopped giving interviews
altogether.

01:43:05.520 --> 01:43:09.380
But in this book, he said, I don't know
how long it was before we heard a scream.

01:43:09.660 --> 01:43:10.800
It lasted maybe half a minute.

01:43:11.280 --> 01:43:13.520
Then I heard Warren call, Hey,
help me, it's got Brad.

01:43:13.600 --> 01:43:14.500
I've got to get out of here.

01:43:14.740 --> 01:43:16.900
His voice was cut off abruptly by a short
cry.

01:43:17.420 --> 01:43:20.160
Hey, Brad, Warren, Brad, Warren,
hey, where is everybody?

01:43:20.660 --> 01:43:22.020
I yelled back at the top of my lungs.

01:43:22.200 --> 01:43:24.500
Larry now swam with Eric and me.

01:43:25.160 --> 01:43:26.920
Warren and Brad were nowhere in sight.

01:43:27.640 --> 01:43:30.340
Right next to Eric, that telephone
pole-like figure broke water.

01:43:30.480 --> 01:43:32.500
I could see the long neck and two small
eyes.

01:43:33.100 --> 01:43:34.460
The mouth opened and it bent over.

01:43:34.560 --> 01:43:36.340
It dove on top of Eric, dragging him
under.

01:43:37.000 --> 01:43:39.040
I screamed and began to swim past the
ship.

01:43:39.360 --> 01:43:41.100
My insides were shaking uncontrollably.

01:43:42.240 --> 01:43:44.740
That's the sketch of what ate his friends.

01:43:46.000 --> 01:43:48.240
He said the next morning, I was found by
the rescue unit.

01:43:48.960 --> 01:43:51.880
I shared this story at a meeting one time
when I was speaking in Fort Walton Beach,

01:43:51.980 --> 01:43:53.200
Florida, not far from my house.

01:43:56.460 --> 01:43:58.160
Edward McClary was the only survivor.

01:43:59.260 --> 01:44:00.860
After I shared the story, a lady came to
me afterwards.

01:44:00.940 --> 01:44:02.860
She said, Mr. Hovind, my name is Val Bill.

01:44:03.480 --> 01:44:06.520
My stepson, Larry, was one of the kids who
was eaten by that creature.

01:44:07.440 --> 01:44:09.720
She said, this story you are telling is
exactly correct.

01:44:12.760 --> 01:44:13.520
That's what she said.

01:44:13.600 --> 01:44:15.540
There's her phone address if you're on a
rider, if you don't believe me.

01:44:16.100 --> 01:44:19.960
Down the river, down the bay from us,
or down the beach from us, is Panama City,

01:44:20.040 --> 01:44:21.700
Florida, about 100 miles away.

01:44:22.660 --> 01:44:25.020
I was speaking down there and a youth
director came to me afterwards.

01:44:25.100 --> 01:44:27.060
He said, Brother Hovind, I'm a youth
director at a Lutheran church.

01:44:27.580 --> 01:44:30.940
He said, my youth group was in the van
driving across the bridge in Panama City

01:44:30.940 --> 01:44:33.800
and we saw a creature just like that one
you've got in your book down there.

01:44:34.980 --> 01:44:36.180
He said, the kids all saw it.

01:44:36.200 --> 01:44:38.560
Everybody saw it in the van, but they all
said, man, if we tell anybody,

01:44:38.880 --> 01:44:40.040
they're going to think we're crazy.

01:44:42.360 --> 01:44:43.920
There have been many reports like this.

01:44:43.920 --> 01:44:45.600
Who knows how many have not been reported.

01:44:45.600 --> 01:44:51.200
I interviewed a lady who grew up in
Panama, Central America.

01:44:51.920 --> 01:44:56.320
She said she was riding her horse along
the Pacific Ocean and she saw a

01:44:56.320 --> 01:44:56.920
plesiosaur.

01:44:57.460 --> 01:45:00.440
She's married to a pastor who is a Baptist
pastor in Arkansas now.

01:45:00.540 --> 01:45:02.340
I interviewed her several winters ago.

01:45:03.640 --> 01:45:07.600
I have interviewed probably 80 people
face-to-face who said, look, I've seen

01:45:07.600 --> 01:45:07.780
one.

01:45:08.940 --> 01:45:11.860
There have been 20,000 reported sightings
in the last century.

01:45:13.060 --> 01:45:15.720
There have been There have been reports of
pterodactyls still alive.

01:45:17.160 --> 01:45:18.980
In Africa, they call it the kangamato.

01:45:19.980 --> 01:45:22.340
In Kenya, they call it batamzinga.

01:45:23.480 --> 01:45:24.420
That's their name for it.

01:45:25.120 --> 01:45:27.060
I was sitting in my office one time and
the phone rang.

01:45:27.180 --> 01:45:29.280
And this guy said, Mr. Hovind,
my name is... they call him Steve.

01:45:29.420 --> 01:45:31.580
He said, my African name is real long.

01:45:31.880 --> 01:45:32.640
So they call him Steve.

01:45:32.940 --> 01:45:34.940
He said, I'm on the Kenya Olympic running
team.

01:45:35.320 --> 01:45:36.960
I'm over here in Baton Rouge, Louisiana.

01:45:37.480 --> 01:45:39.260
And I'm going to school at Louisiana
State.

01:45:39.460 --> 01:45:40.640
He's graduated now and gone.

01:45:40.680 --> 01:45:41.300
I don't know what happened to him.

01:45:41.960 --> 01:45:45.160
He said, you mentioned in your seminar
that I just saw that pterodactyls might

01:45:45.160 --> 01:45:45.720
still be alive.

01:45:45.780 --> 01:45:46.540
Here's one here on the table.

01:45:47.160 --> 01:45:48.820
There have been many reports of
pterodactyls.

01:45:49.060 --> 01:45:50.080
And I mentioned this in my seminar.

01:45:50.920 --> 01:45:52.680
Steve said, Mr. Hovind, I'm from Kenya.

01:45:53.220 --> 01:45:56.000
And I want you to know we have those
creatures in my village.

01:45:57.260 --> 01:45:59.160
He said, they're only about a four-foot
wingspan.

01:45:59.240 --> 01:46:00.860
He said, they've got a bump on the back of
their head.

01:46:01.680 --> 01:46:04.720
He said, why do your schools in America
say they lived millions of years ago?

01:46:05.980 --> 01:46:07.500
I said, because we're dumb over here.

01:46:09.960 --> 01:46:11.960
He said, they're very rarely seen.

01:46:12.100 --> 01:46:13.600
And most people in my village don't like
them.

01:46:13.620 --> 01:46:14.980
And some people are superstitious about
them.

01:46:15.380 --> 01:46:18.300
Because their favorite food appears to be
decaying human flesh.

01:46:19.840 --> 01:46:23.380
So if you bury somebody, you better bury
them deep or kangamato will come dig them

01:46:23.380 --> 01:46:23.880
up and eat them.

01:46:25.620 --> 01:46:29.700
Frank Mellon, the African explorer,
heard rumors about an animal called the

01:46:29.700 --> 01:46:30.380
kangamato.

01:46:30.900 --> 01:46:33.660
It lived in the Jeundu swamps in the
northwest corner of northern Rhodesia,

01:46:34.760 --> 01:46:35.920
near the Belgian Congo.

01:46:35.920 --> 01:46:37.740
He asked the natives what it was.

01:46:37.820 --> 01:46:39.660
They told him it was a bird, but not
exactly a bird.

01:46:40.260 --> 01:46:42.360
More like a lizard with wings like a bat.

01:46:42.640 --> 01:46:43.560
The wings made of skin.

01:46:44.880 --> 01:46:48.160
He showed them pictures of pterodactyls,
and all of them immediately plumped in for

01:46:48.160 --> 01:46:50.440
the pterodactyl, excitedly muttering,
kangamato.

01:46:52.220 --> 01:46:56.300
A couple of cowboys apparently shot one
back in 1880-something in Arizona.

01:46:57.180 --> 01:47:01.900
Cut off the wingtips and took it back to
the saloon and said, fellas, we just shot

01:47:01.900 --> 01:47:03.100
a giant bird with no feathers.

01:47:04.800 --> 01:47:06.000
Here's part of the wingtips.

01:47:06.120 --> 01:47:07.360
They had skin, not feathers.

01:47:08.940 --> 01:47:12.720
In Venezuela, a missionary told me that
he's been down there for years,

01:47:12.840 --> 01:47:15.080
and the natives kept talking about an
animal that they were afraid of.

01:47:15.260 --> 01:47:16.280
A giant bat.

01:47:16.840 --> 01:47:18.060
They were scared of this animal.

01:47:18.640 --> 01:47:20.840
He said it would capsize canoes and carry
off Indians.

01:47:21.380 --> 01:47:22.720
I met with Adam in 1998.

01:47:22.800 --> 01:47:25.800
He told me the Indians were terrified of
this bat, and years ago they had sent

01:47:25.800 --> 01:47:29.100
their bravest men to the head of the
river, where they killed one of the

01:47:29.100 --> 01:47:31.220
creatures years ago and buried it near the
Moana River.

01:47:31.580 --> 01:47:34.640
When Clint showed the Indians a picture of
a pterodactyl, their eyes got big as

01:47:34.640 --> 01:47:36.600
saucers, and they said, that is the bat.

01:47:37.400 --> 01:47:41.000
They positively identified this extinct
dinosaur as the bat that lived a few miles

01:47:41.000 --> 01:47:41.620
from their village.

01:47:42.140 --> 01:47:45.000
Even today, the Indians will not fish or
drink from the river for fear of this

01:47:45.000 --> 01:47:45.260
creature.

01:47:46.700 --> 01:47:50.580
Missionary Tyson Hughes told Bill Gibbons,
who wrote the book with me, that he knew

01:47:51.060 --> 01:47:53.540
of a creature in Suram, Indonesia,
right here.

01:47:54.200 --> 01:47:58.320
The locals called the creature the Orang
Batai, which means man with wings.

01:47:59.440 --> 01:48:02.720
My next-door neighbor teaches English as a
second language at Pensacola Junior

01:48:02.720 --> 01:48:03.200
College.

01:48:04.140 --> 01:48:07.540
She lets me come in and speak to her class
about once every other year, so that I can

01:48:07.540 --> 01:48:10.340
share about dinosaurs, and also get the
gospel into them a little bit.

01:48:11.180 --> 01:48:14.140
So I was sharing about dinosaurs,
and I shared this session in there.

01:48:14.440 --> 01:48:16.700
These are all adults learning English from
other countries.

01:48:17.240 --> 01:48:18.400
This lady raised her hand.

01:48:18.540 --> 01:48:20.580
She said, Mr. Hovind, I am from Indonesia.

01:48:21.100 --> 01:48:23.040
I'm a medical doctor, and so is my
husband.

01:48:23.300 --> 01:48:25.040
We came over here to study English.

01:48:25.920 --> 01:48:27.000
She said, you are right.

01:48:27.060 --> 01:48:28.380
We have those creatures in Indonesia.

01:48:29.500 --> 01:48:31.860
Why do your American schools say they
lived millions of years ago?

01:48:35.080 --> 01:48:36.700
Several missionaries claim they've seen
these.

01:48:36.700 --> 01:48:37.780
Of course, some have never seen them.

01:48:37.780 --> 01:48:40.040
And somebody who has never seen one is
going to say they don't exist.

01:48:42.360 --> 01:48:46.300
Karl Baugh has been down to Papua New
Guinea several times.

01:48:46.560 --> 01:48:48.460
The natives there call the creature the
Ropan.

01:48:48.880 --> 01:48:52.000
They say it looks just like the
pterodactyl, but it glows in the dark just

01:48:52.000 --> 01:48:52.360
a little bit.

01:48:52.380 --> 01:48:54.480
Like it has something bioluminescent on
its skin.

01:48:56.380 --> 01:48:59.340
Several missionaries have said they saw
this creature, and it has a slight glow to

01:48:59.340 --> 01:48:59.520
it.

01:49:00.700 --> 01:49:06.740
Charlie Knight told me he saw one in
Washington, near Spokane, Washington.

01:49:09.180 --> 01:49:12.680
A giant bird was seen off the coast of
Alaska about a year ago.

01:49:12.700 --> 01:49:14.620
How many heard about that one,
the 14-foot wingspan?

01:49:15.560 --> 01:49:20.240
A lot of folks on this airplane saw this
thing flying right past the airplane.

01:49:20.540 --> 01:49:22.100
Not past it, but just flying in that
region.

01:49:22.840 --> 01:49:24.220
Nobody knows for sure what it was yet.

01:49:24.260 --> 01:49:25.780
It hasn't been seen since, as far as I
know.

01:49:26.180 --> 01:49:27.940
I have lots and lots of stuff on this
topic.

01:49:28.060 --> 01:49:29.040
A couple of things and we'll quit here.

01:49:29.980 --> 01:49:33.160
The Indians out west used to have a story
about the Thunderbird.

01:49:34.220 --> 01:49:37.400
They told all the settlers that came out,
they said, be careful of the Thunderbird.

01:49:37.860 --> 01:49:38.940
It's a giant bird.

01:49:40.500 --> 01:49:41.820
They said, why do you call it the
Thunderbird?

01:49:42.240 --> 01:49:46.260
They said, a Sioux Indian party years ago
saw one get hit by lightning and fall to

01:49:46.260 --> 01:49:46.660
the ground.

01:49:47.480 --> 01:49:48.920
It took them three days to find it.

01:49:49.680 --> 01:49:51.820
When they found this thing, the buzzards
had picked it clean.

01:49:52.400 --> 01:49:56.800
But it had a 20-foot wingspan and a bony
bump on the back of its head.

01:49:57.740 --> 01:49:59.660
That's where the legend of the Thunderbird
came from.

01:49:59.980 --> 01:50:00.680
A pterodactyl.

01:50:02.120 --> 01:50:07.000
Here's a prayer stick in an Indian museum
in Colorado, near Colorado Springs,

01:50:07.080 --> 01:50:09.360
and it shows the head of a pterodactyl.

01:50:10.960 --> 01:50:13.960
Henry Ford put an eagle on the taillight
of his Thunderbird.

01:50:14.040 --> 01:50:15.840
It should have been a pterodactyl,
Henry.

01:50:17.820 --> 01:50:22.520
The French explorers came down to
Mississippi in 1675.

01:50:22.900 --> 01:50:25.920
They stopped off where today the town of
Alton, Illinois is, right across from St.

01:50:26.000 --> 01:50:26.220
Louis.

01:50:26.700 --> 01:50:29.800
And they saw this strange animal painted
on the cliffs by the Indians.

01:50:30.480 --> 01:50:32.680
They said, what is this big animal that
you painted up there?

01:50:32.900 --> 01:50:34.700
They said, oh, that's the Piasaw bird.

01:50:35.520 --> 01:50:36.960
They said, what's a Piasaw bird?

01:50:37.300 --> 01:50:39.700
They said, oh, a giant bird used to live
up in the cliffs.

01:50:39.980 --> 01:50:42.080
He would swoop down and pick up Indians
and carry them off.

01:50:42.900 --> 01:50:47.360
But a great chief prayed and the Great
Spirit showed him a way to kill this bird.

01:50:47.440 --> 01:50:49.740
And they finally killed this giant bird
that terrorized our village.

01:50:50.720 --> 01:50:52.500
For years they painted it up on the
cliffs.

01:50:52.900 --> 01:50:55.100
When the white men took over the area,
they kept the painting up there.

01:50:55.140 --> 01:50:56.580
They kept painting the Piasaw bird.

01:50:57.560 --> 01:51:00.140
They got tired of painting it,
so one day they put up a big metal plaque.

01:51:00.280 --> 01:51:01.140
There's me underneath it.

01:51:02.580 --> 01:51:03.420
Huge metal plaque.

01:51:03.460 --> 01:51:05.900
Then they got afraid the plaque might
fall, so they took it down in 1996.

01:51:06.780 --> 01:51:10.340
But if you go to Alton, Illinois today and
look up Piasaw in the phone book,

01:51:10.680 --> 01:51:14.600
you'll see all sorts of people listed as
Piasaw Dairy Queen and Piasaw Motors and

01:51:14.600 --> 01:51:15.240
stuff like that.

01:51:16.040 --> 01:51:17.880
The Piasaw legend is famous around that
area.

01:51:19.080 --> 01:51:22.720
There's a Civil War photograph circulating
around that claims to be people standing

01:51:22.720 --> 01:51:23.780
by a pterodactyl.

01:51:23.820 --> 01:51:25.020
Apparently the photo is fake.

01:51:25.480 --> 01:51:27.340
So don't fall for that one if it comes
around.

01:51:28.100 --> 01:51:30.500
People say, Brother Hovind, why do you go
around and teach about dinosaurs?

01:51:31.040 --> 01:51:35.100
Well, Satan is using them to turn our own
kids away from God.

01:51:36.320 --> 01:51:37.900
Somebody ought to set the record straight,
folks.

01:51:38.440 --> 01:51:40.260
Christians are confused about where they
fit in.

01:51:41.420 --> 01:51:44.100
I'm just trying to show you the Bible is
correct as it's written.

01:51:44.740 --> 01:51:46.080
They're a great evangelistic tool.

01:51:47.120 --> 01:51:48.480
Kids love dinosaurs.

01:51:49.360 --> 01:51:51.760
And we've got to learn to use them to
reach people with the gospel.

01:51:52.240 --> 01:51:54.520
And I think God ought to get the glory for
everything He made.

01:51:55.560 --> 01:51:59.080
If Behemoth is the chief of the ways of
God, then God ought to get the glory for

01:51:59.080 --> 01:51:59.500
what He made.

01:52:00.340 --> 01:52:03.740
The next chapter, God talks about a
creature called Leviathan, another

01:52:03.740 --> 01:52:04.440
dinosaur.

01:52:04.600 --> 01:52:08.420
We cover that on one of the green tapes in
our topical series about Leviathan.

01:52:09.260 --> 01:52:15.400
When God was all done talking to Job here,
after four chapters, God apparently

01:52:15.400 --> 01:52:18.320
stopped talking, and Job finally answered
the Lord.

01:52:20.220 --> 01:52:22.840
And he said, I know that thou canst do
everything.

01:52:24.140 --> 01:52:25.440
Hey, did you know God can do everything?

01:52:27.020 --> 01:52:28.520
Why do we worry about things anyway?

01:52:29.700 --> 01:52:32.580
And Job said, No thought can be withholden
from thee.

01:52:33.760 --> 01:52:38.880
Job said, I heard of you, but now I
understand.

01:52:39.880 --> 01:52:42.180
I don't think any of us realize who God
is.

01:52:42.960 --> 01:52:46.400
You know, we hear a little bits about Him,
but man, He's incredible.

01:52:47.920 --> 01:52:49.340
Job finally got to understand.

01:52:49.420 --> 01:52:51.020
He said, I repent in dust and ashes.

01:52:51.140 --> 01:52:51.900
Lord, I'm sorry.

01:52:54.000 --> 01:52:55.360
Question, how big is your God?

01:52:57.340 --> 01:52:58.300
Ever thought about that?

01:52:58.580 --> 01:53:00.620
Is your God big enough to tell you what
kind of clothes to wear?

01:53:01.760 --> 01:53:03.660
The Bible says women should dress
modestly.

01:53:06.120 --> 01:53:08.140
If you're not in business, don't
advertise.

01:53:09.480 --> 01:53:10.720
Does your God tell you how to cut your
hair?

01:53:11.580 --> 01:53:13.240
Man, when I got saved, I was a lifeguard.

01:53:13.880 --> 01:53:14.900
Long blonde hair.

01:53:15.400 --> 01:53:15.920
I read the verse.

01:53:16.180 --> 01:53:18.620
It says it's a shame for a man to have
long hair, so I said, okay God,

01:53:18.720 --> 01:53:19.400
I'll go cut it.

01:53:20.300 --> 01:53:21.660
It doesn't matter to me what anybody
thinks.

01:53:21.720 --> 01:53:24.320
I want to know what you care about,
and I'm going to do it that way.

01:53:24.900 --> 01:53:26.540
Does God tell you what kind of speech to
have?

01:53:27.200 --> 01:53:30.520
The Bible says, let no corrupt
communication proceed out of your mouth.

01:53:31.360 --> 01:53:33.700
I know a lot of Christians need to work on
cleaning up their mouth.

01:53:35.160 --> 01:53:37.620
Every idle word you're going to give
account thereof in the day of judgment,

01:53:37.700 --> 01:53:38.340
the Bible says.

01:53:38.920 --> 01:53:40.480
Does God tell you what to watch on TV?

01:53:42.380 --> 01:53:45.180
Psalm 101 says, I will set no wicked thing
before mine eyes.

01:53:46.180 --> 01:53:48.160
Do you put wicked things before your eyes?

01:53:49.520 --> 01:53:51.400
Does God tell you what kind of music to
listen to?

01:53:52.360 --> 01:53:55.560
He told us to speak to ourselves in psalms
and hymns and spiritual songs.

01:53:56.000 --> 01:53:58.200
See, Christians are supposed to be
different from the world, folks.

01:53:59.960 --> 01:54:04.080
And I, for one, am sick and tired of the
devil using God's creatures to turn people

01:54:04.080 --> 01:54:04.800
away from God.

01:54:05.960 --> 01:54:09.820
I think we need some Christians to get
busy and do something for the Lord.

01:54:10.700 --> 01:54:12.160
People ask me this question all the time.

01:54:12.220 --> 01:54:13.700
Brother Hovind, did God call you to do
this?

01:54:15.080 --> 01:54:15.740
I don't know.

01:54:16.200 --> 01:54:17.500
I never got a letter or a phone call.

01:54:18.980 --> 01:54:20.240
But it sure needs to be done.

01:54:21.440 --> 01:54:22.480
It just needs to be done.

01:54:22.560 --> 01:54:24.380
Look, if I tell my kids, clean your room.

01:54:25.740 --> 01:54:28.720
I don't want to come back an hour later
and find them playing around and the job

01:54:28.720 --> 01:54:29.260
not done.

01:54:30.200 --> 01:54:32.300
If they say, well, you didn't say make the
bed.

01:54:33.280 --> 01:54:34.140
Okay, kid, listen.

01:54:34.600 --> 01:54:37.860
If I say clean the room, I expect you to
figure out the details.

01:54:39.380 --> 01:54:40.900
Now, kids, you may go to sleep.

01:54:41.160 --> 01:54:42.880
You will not understand anything I'm about
to say.

01:54:43.640 --> 01:54:44.780
Parents, you will understand.

01:54:46.540 --> 01:54:48.020
Mom says, son, is your room clean?

01:54:48.940 --> 01:54:49.900
Yep, all clean, mom.

01:54:50.480 --> 01:54:51.920
Okay, let's go check it out.

01:54:53.040 --> 01:54:54.060
Come in here, right here.

01:54:54.420 --> 01:54:56.480
Okay, son, you see that dirty sock right
there?

01:54:57.280 --> 01:54:58.440
Pick it up.

01:54:58.840 --> 01:55:02.760
Now, bring it over here and put it in the
dirty clothes.

01:55:03.380 --> 01:55:04.520
Okay, now, come on back.

01:55:04.640 --> 01:55:05.300
Come over this way.

01:55:06.180 --> 01:55:08.380
Now, pick up the other one.

01:55:10.780 --> 01:55:12.080
How many know what I'm talking about?

01:55:14.260 --> 01:55:16.280
Don't you see what needs to be done?

01:55:18.140 --> 01:55:22.400
I think God's up in heaven looking down at
some of His kids, saying, don't you see

01:55:22.400 --> 01:55:23.840
something that needs to be done?

01:55:24.940 --> 01:55:26.200
Start a new ministry.

01:55:26.340 --> 01:55:29.200
Start a new Sunday school class for
left-handed, one-eyed people or something.

01:55:30.520 --> 01:55:31.480
Do something.

01:55:31.980 --> 01:55:33.300
There's a war going on.

01:55:33.360 --> 01:55:35.740
For heaven's sake, find something to do.

01:55:37.060 --> 01:55:38.420
Everybody can do something.

01:55:39.140 --> 01:55:41.900
The worst of you could serve as bad
examples, if nothing else.

01:55:42.500 --> 01:55:44.600
But you could all do something for the
Lord.

01:55:45.820 --> 01:55:47.180
Man, find something to do.

01:55:47.300 --> 01:55:48.480
Get the job done.

01:55:48.980 --> 01:55:53.760
In Acts chapter 2, there are many,
many verses quoted as he preached to the

01:55:53.760 --> 01:55:54.000
Jews.

01:55:54.060 --> 01:55:55.320
Because they knew about the Bible.

01:55:55.420 --> 01:55:56.100
They believed the Bible.

01:55:56.580 --> 01:55:59.660
So they quoted scripture, after scripture,
after scripture in Acts 2.

01:56:00.140 --> 01:56:04.000
The second great sermon in the book of
Acts is Acts 17, where Paul preached on

01:56:04.000 --> 01:56:04.460
Mars Hill.

01:56:05.000 --> 01:56:06.620
He did not quote one scripture.

01:56:07.320 --> 01:56:09.400
The whole sermon, not one Bible verse.

01:56:10.700 --> 01:56:13.380
He said, I want to talk to you about the
unknown God.

01:56:13.680 --> 01:56:16.220
And then he said, God that made the world.

01:56:17.560 --> 01:56:21.440
Paul used creation as his means of
evangelism.

01:56:22.600 --> 01:56:26.120
That is why we call our ministry,
Creation Science Evangelism.

01:56:26.700 --> 01:56:28.080
We want to win souls.

01:56:28.580 --> 01:56:32.220
Hey, there are some practical steps you
can use to get the gospel out using

01:56:32.220 --> 01:56:32.860
creation.

01:56:33.440 --> 01:56:35.820
You can see how many people you can get to
watch videotapes.

01:56:35.900 --> 01:56:37.420
Feel free to copy mine and spread them
around.

01:56:38.340 --> 01:56:41.260
People will sit home and watch a video
that you will simply never get to come to

01:56:41.260 --> 01:56:41.520
church.

01:56:42.760 --> 01:56:43.560
Especially men.

01:56:44.320 --> 01:56:48.100
If they are sitting at home, holding the
remote.

01:56:52.680 --> 01:56:55.420
This feeling of power surges through their
body.

01:56:57.040 --> 01:56:58.100
How many know what I'm talking about?

01:56:58.180 --> 01:56:58.820
Now come on, be honest.

01:57:00.320 --> 01:57:04.740
Man, use video to reach them.

01:57:04.840 --> 01:57:05.400
It's a great way.

01:57:05.440 --> 01:57:08.140
Now look, if you want somebody to watch
the video series, you get all excited.

01:57:08.260 --> 01:57:09.880
Okay, don't give them the whole thing.

01:57:10.100 --> 01:57:11.120
They won't even start.

01:57:12.040 --> 01:57:14.160
If you tell somebody, here I want you to
eat this elephant.

01:57:17.000 --> 01:57:19.340
Wait until they are hungry and give them a
little tiny piece of elephant meat.

01:57:20.300 --> 01:57:21.260
Then they'll want more.

01:57:22.420 --> 01:57:24.560
And I see people all the time,
they get all excited and they go choke

01:57:24.560 --> 01:57:25.640
their neighbor on something, you know.

01:57:27.080 --> 01:57:29.020
Copy ten minutes of a tape and just give
them that.

01:57:29.080 --> 01:57:29.660
Say, here, watch this.

01:57:30.480 --> 01:57:31.560
Shut it off right in the middle of
something.

01:57:32.960 --> 01:57:33.860
Then they'll come for more.

01:57:34.460 --> 01:57:36.120
Why don't you pass out some videos on your
campus.

01:57:36.240 --> 01:57:37.280
Give them to your public school teachers.

01:57:37.440 --> 01:57:38.180
Put them on TV.

01:57:39.440 --> 01:57:40.920
Put some tapes in your public library.

01:57:41.260 --> 01:57:41.940
Many have done this.

01:57:42.000 --> 01:57:43.940
You can get videotapes in your public
library.

01:57:44.300 --> 01:57:46.000
I don't care if you use my stuff,
use somebody's stuff.

01:57:46.000 --> 01:57:47.280
But folks, get the message out.

01:57:48.180 --> 01:57:50.120
Feel free to use my material any way you
want.

01:57:50.380 --> 01:57:51.100
Spread it around.

01:57:51.160 --> 01:57:52.340
We've got lots of debates on video.

01:57:52.460 --> 01:57:53.680
Lots of other topics on video.

01:57:54.180 --> 01:57:56.340
If I say something you don't like,
edit it out.

01:57:57.880 --> 01:57:58.480
Take out the jokes.

01:57:58.480 --> 01:58:01.640
You have to learn early in life,
eat the meat and spit out the bones.

01:58:01.760 --> 01:58:02.800
Or you're going to choke on something.

01:58:05.540 --> 01:58:06.660
Take out what you don't like.

01:58:06.720 --> 01:58:07.720
Please feel free to use it though.

01:58:07.920 --> 01:58:09.560
You could have a dino night here at the
church.

01:58:10.940 --> 01:58:13.680
Have a vacation Bible school where you
emphasize creation.

01:58:14.640 --> 01:58:16.360
Teach kids something about creation.

01:58:16.440 --> 01:58:17.920
You can get a truck or a trailer or a
tent.

01:58:18.000 --> 01:58:18.640
Travel to parks.

01:58:19.380 --> 01:58:23.120
One guy saw my seminar, got excited,
spent $4,000 and built this huge tent that

01:58:23.120 --> 01:58:24.060
he blows up with a fan.

01:58:24.780 --> 01:58:27.520
Sets it up in neighborhoods and invites
kids to come get inside and learn about

01:58:27.520 --> 01:58:27.940
dinosaurs.

01:58:28.760 --> 01:58:29.660
They love it.

01:58:30.480 --> 01:58:34.080
They have hundreds and hundreds get saved
with this big dinosaur tent.

01:58:35.360 --> 01:58:36.960
Some of you could do that up here.

01:58:38.400 --> 01:58:41.420
Have a vacation Bible school with
dinosaurs as the emphasis.

01:58:41.780 --> 01:58:45.020
One guy got a bus in Australia,
lined the inside with fossils and posters

01:58:45.020 --> 01:58:46.860
and charts about dinosaurs and creation.

01:58:47.140 --> 01:58:49.000
He travels around and just stops wherever
he can get a crowd.

01:58:49.080 --> 01:58:50.680
Hey, come on board, let me tell you about
dinosaurs.

01:58:50.880 --> 01:58:52.200
A traveling museum.

01:58:53.340 --> 01:58:54.840
One of you could do that for a ministry.

01:58:56.100 --> 01:58:57.960
You could get some puppets or some flannel
graph.

01:58:58.040 --> 01:58:59.480
Build a dinosaur adventure land.

01:58:59.760 --> 01:59:00.580
Please do.

01:59:01.220 --> 01:59:02.440
Come visit ours if you'd like.

01:59:02.880 --> 01:59:05.220
We had 10,000 visitors our first full year
open.

01:59:06.660 --> 01:59:08.560
They are paying me to come get the gospel.

01:59:09.720 --> 01:59:10.320
What a deal.

01:59:11.520 --> 01:59:12.480
We are having a blast.

01:59:12.480 --> 01:59:15.220
We don't really have a plan, but someday
we'd like to sell the lawn mower once

01:59:15.220 --> 01:59:16.380
everything gets covered with concrete.

01:59:17.160 --> 01:59:18.120
That's basically the plan.

01:59:20.000 --> 01:59:20.940
Dinosaur adventure land.

01:59:21.020 --> 01:59:22.260
The kids come and they get a little
license.

01:59:22.560 --> 01:59:25.040
Every activity has a science lesson and a
spiritual lesson.

01:59:26.060 --> 01:59:30.000
You can go to our website,
dinosauradventureland.com We are adding

01:59:30.000 --> 01:59:31.500
all sorts of stuff to that every day.

01:59:31.840 --> 01:59:34.660
To that website to make it a place where
kids would just love to come.

01:59:34.720 --> 01:59:36.600
Just play games and learn more about
dinosaurs.

01:59:37.260 --> 01:59:40.020
If the kids come and break a record at one
of our events, they get their name on the

01:59:40.020 --> 01:59:40.440
record board.

01:59:40.460 --> 01:59:42.460
And they get a $5 gift certificate with a
famous speaker.

01:59:42.460 --> 01:59:43.260
And a famous president on it.

01:59:46.080 --> 01:59:47.440
All kinds of cool activities.

01:59:47.640 --> 01:59:52.180
We are just trying to find some way to
undo the damage being done by the public

01:59:52.180 --> 01:59:53.780
schools and the museums in this county.

01:59:54.140 --> 01:59:55.420
They talk about evolution.

01:59:56.780 --> 01:59:58.440
Just think of some way to get the gospel.

01:59:58.560 --> 01:59:59.680
Feel free to come down and visit.

01:59:59.780 --> 02:00:02.660
Take a video camera, copy everything we
are doing and do another one up here

02:00:02.660 --> 02:00:03.020
someplace.

02:00:03.600 --> 02:00:05.660
We would like to see thousands of these
around the country.

02:00:06.720 --> 02:00:08.620
We are not trying to build a giant
ministry.

02:00:08.680 --> 02:00:09.760
We are trying to win a war.

02:00:11.460 --> 02:00:12.960
All kinds of ideas down there.

02:00:13.020 --> 02:00:13.960
Come see our dinosaur adventure land.

02:00:14.040 --> 02:00:14.680
Okay, last thought.

02:00:16.080 --> 02:00:19.120
Figure out some way to reach the kids in
your area or Satan will.

02:00:20.740 --> 02:00:23.200
What we really need is a Christian Barney.

02:00:24.700 --> 02:00:27.020
You don't need to be very smart for this
job.

02:00:29.020 --> 02:00:30.540
Get yourself a big purple costume.

02:00:31.220 --> 02:00:32.280
Get all the neighbor kids together.

02:00:33.160 --> 02:00:33.840
Okay, kids.

02:00:36.660 --> 02:00:38.040
Robin, you would be good at this,
brother.

02:00:40.940 --> 02:00:42.320
Get all the kids together.

02:00:42.380 --> 02:00:42.940
Okay, kids.

02:00:43.020 --> 02:00:43.840
We are going to sing now.

02:00:44.080 --> 02:00:44.580
Are you ready?

02:00:45.040 --> 02:00:46.160
God loves you.

02:00:46.320 --> 02:00:47.180
God loves me.

02:00:47.300 --> 02:00:48.800
He wants you in his family.

02:00:49.140 --> 02:00:51.360
If you ask him, I will come into your
heart.

02:00:51.480 --> 02:00:53.480
And of his family, you will be part.

02:00:54.480 --> 02:00:55.660
Shouldn't they learn that instead?

02:01:03.670 --> 02:01:12.470
To keep one F-15 in the air for one hour
requires 454 support personnel on the

02:01:12.470 --> 02:01:12.550
ground.

02:01:15.150 --> 02:01:18.330
Now look, everybody ought to be doing
something.

02:01:19.510 --> 02:01:22.390
If you are not going to preach,
at least support the pastor who will.

02:01:23.810 --> 02:01:26.490
And if you are not going to go to the
mission field, then support the missionary

02:01:26.490 --> 02:01:27.370
who is willing to go.

02:01:27.830 --> 02:01:30.750
I mean, don't you think if you left your
country and had strange land, and strange

02:01:30.750 --> 02:01:34.230
diet, strange clothes to wear,
and strange language to learn,

02:01:34.490 --> 02:01:36.630
don't you think you would want to get a
letter from home once in a while with a

02:01:36.630 --> 02:01:37.490
$50 bill in it?

02:01:39.150 --> 02:01:40.290
I don't mean your electric bill.

02:01:40.290 --> 02:01:41.190
I mean one they can spend.

02:01:45.610 --> 02:01:47.270
Everybody should find something to do.

02:01:47.570 --> 02:01:50.450
We have been commanded by the Lord to go
into all the world and preach the gospel

02:01:50.450 --> 02:01:51.050
to every creature.

02:01:52.010 --> 02:01:53.150
Are you done doing that yet?

02:01:54.330 --> 02:01:55.650
Well then, let's keep going.

02:01:57.650 --> 02:01:59.510
I spoke nearly 800 times last year.

02:02:00.870 --> 02:02:02.170
People said, Bill Hovind, aren't you going
to wear out?

02:02:02.250 --> 02:02:02.690
Oh, probably.

02:02:03.350 --> 02:02:04.730
I'd rather burn out than rust out though.

02:02:05.490 --> 02:02:06.810
Not a lot of Christians are going to rust
out.

02:02:06.810 --> 02:02:11.250
I learned years ago, if you burn the
candle at both ends, you get twice the

02:02:11.250 --> 02:02:11.450
light.

02:02:14.150 --> 02:02:15.930
And right now, the world needs twice the
light.

02:02:16.050 --> 02:02:18.470
So get off your duff and find something to
do for the Lord.

02:02:19.370 --> 02:02:21.570
Let's all stand, bow our heads,
and close our eyes, and let's pray.

02:02:26.920 --> 02:02:28.140
Well, this is Kent Hovind.

02:02:28.240 --> 02:02:30.700
It is August 31st, 1993.

02:02:31.280 --> 02:02:35.820
I'm sitting here at the Antique Quest in
Winchester, New Hampshire with Sandy

02:02:35.820 --> 02:02:36.180
Mancy.

02:02:36.460 --> 02:02:37.660
It's good to see you again, Sandy.

02:02:37.660 --> 02:02:39.300
I saw you back in 1992.

02:02:40.260 --> 02:02:42.560
And Sandy is the one that saw Champ.

02:02:43.240 --> 02:02:46.280
Her picture appears on the cover of the
book by Joseph Zarzinski.

02:02:48.520 --> 02:02:52.640
Why don't you tell us when it was,
and where you were, and just a little bit

02:02:52.640 --> 02:02:52.920
about it.

02:02:53.700 --> 02:02:59.700
I was in Vermont, on the Vermont side,
and my husband, we weren't married at the

02:02:59.700 --> 02:03:02.300
time, I can't say, and my children,
we were exploring the lake.

02:03:02.620 --> 02:03:03.860
I grew up in that area.

02:03:04.580 --> 02:03:09.620
And we were just exploring the lake,
sitting there, enjoying the peace and

02:03:09.620 --> 02:03:09.920
quiet.

02:03:10.740 --> 02:03:15.240
My husband had gone back to the car to get
the camera, and while he was gone,

02:03:15.340 --> 02:03:20.180
there was a disturbance in the lake,
and I looked out, and I thought perhaps

02:03:20.180 --> 02:03:25.660
there was a school of fish, and maybe a
scuba diver or something, and then the

02:03:25.660 --> 02:03:29.960
head and the neck broke the surface of the
water, and the head fit up in the neck in

02:03:29.960 --> 02:03:30.460
the back.

02:03:31.400 --> 02:03:32.940
And I knew it wasn't a fish.

02:03:33.240 --> 02:03:33.360
Right.

02:03:35.480 --> 02:03:36.100
Well, great.

02:03:36.180 --> 02:03:41.280
And some people said, I heard somebody
told you that they thought maybe it was a

02:03:41.280 --> 02:03:41.500
duck.

02:03:42.760 --> 02:03:44.700
It's about a 2,000 pound duck.

02:03:44.800 --> 02:03:45.880
A 2,000 pound duck.

02:03:46.260 --> 02:03:51.120
When we were at the church, when you came
to hear me speak up in wherever that was,

02:03:51.180 --> 02:03:54.900
New Hampshire, Dublin, New Hampshire,
I had all my dinosaurs on the table,

02:03:55.000 --> 02:03:57.700
and you immediately picked out this one as
champ, but you said it was a little

02:03:57.700 --> 02:03:58.500
different, what you saw.

02:03:58.500 --> 02:04:06.520
Yes, what I saw is the neck was not near
as long, and the head is shaped right,

02:04:06.680 --> 02:04:10.340
like a horse head, but the neck is not
near as long.

02:04:10.700 --> 02:04:14.140
Okay, now, there are three or four
different types of swimming dinosaurs that

02:04:14.140 --> 02:04:15.280
bones have been found of.

02:04:15.340 --> 02:04:18.940
There's the chronosaur, which has a huge
neck, the plesiosaur, which you're

02:04:18.940 --> 02:04:20.500
holding, and then there's the elasmosaur.

02:04:21.440 --> 02:04:25.420
It had a shorter neck, and the head is at
a right angle to the body instead of in

02:04:25.420 --> 02:04:26.180
line with the body.

02:04:27.760 --> 02:04:30.420
There may be others, of course,
undiscovered yet, but get that where they

02:04:30.420 --> 02:04:31.220
can see it on the camera.

02:04:33.200 --> 02:04:40.320
I think this more, with a shorter neck,
or it could be that the neck wasn't all

02:04:40.320 --> 02:04:41.440
out of the water, too.

02:04:42.780 --> 02:04:44.640
Alright, so this was back in 1977.

02:04:46.700 --> 02:04:49.360
How many other people do you know,
or have you talked to, that claim they

02:04:49.360 --> 02:04:50.020
have seen it also?

02:04:51.160 --> 02:04:56.540
I have spoken with probably about six
different people who have seen it.

02:04:57.320 --> 02:05:01.800
And all of our accounts are very,
very similar.

02:05:02.360 --> 02:05:07.900
So we all can't be crazy, and we all can't
be telling something that maybe we didn't

02:05:07.900 --> 02:05:12.320
see, but they're all very, very similar,
the shape of the head, the neck,

02:05:14.480 --> 02:05:16.300
just the massive size of it.

02:05:17.080 --> 02:05:20.820
Okay, now you watched it for about how
long, would you say?

02:05:21.260 --> 02:05:27.680
Probably from the time the disturbance,
until it went back down, maybe eight

02:05:27.680 --> 02:05:28.840
minutes to ten minutes.

02:05:29.080 --> 02:05:30.260
Eight to ten minutes, okay.

02:05:30.900 --> 02:05:34.460
And you told me the last time we talked,
about a year ago, that when it first came

02:05:34.460 --> 02:05:38.040
up it was looking different directions,
it was looking around?

02:05:38.280 --> 02:05:40.500
When it came up, it was facing this way.

02:05:41.040 --> 02:05:41.900
Okay, to me.

02:05:42.080 --> 02:05:48.220
And when it came up out of the water,
and then it looked around, and when I did

02:05:48.220 --> 02:05:53.380
take the one snapshot, it was getting
fidgety, it was getting a little more

02:05:53.380 --> 02:05:59.140
movement to it, and it had turned its head
to look over its back, and that's when I

02:05:59.140 --> 02:05:59.780
got the snapshot.

02:06:00.100 --> 02:06:04.900
And then it turned, and then it went down,
and it started going down like this,

02:06:04.960 --> 02:06:06.860
and then it put its head down under the
water.

02:06:07.400 --> 02:06:10.460
After it was completely under the water,
I heard a boat coming.

02:06:11.280 --> 02:06:12.000
I heard a boat.

02:06:12.300 --> 02:06:14.840
Didn't even see the boat, but I heard it
coming.

02:06:14.920 --> 02:06:18.760
It knew that boat was coming long before
my sense of hearing picked it up.

02:06:18.760 --> 02:06:22.680
A lot of people I've interviewed have told
me that, like the ones in Africa,

02:06:22.800 --> 02:06:26.040
the dinosaurs in Africa, the natives claim
they have very sensitive hearing.

02:06:26.740 --> 02:06:28.600
And they'll hear you coming and duck under
the water.

02:06:29.260 --> 02:06:32.080
I've got missionary friends over there
that say there are dinosaurs in that

02:06:32.080 --> 02:06:32.300
swamp.

02:06:32.640 --> 02:06:33.060
Absolutely.

02:06:33.780 --> 02:06:34.840
I'm sure of it.

02:06:36.000 --> 02:06:38.420
God created one.

02:06:38.840 --> 02:06:40.000
He created many.

02:06:40.940 --> 02:06:44.860
And this is something that has to be a
creation.

02:06:45.880 --> 02:06:49.800
It's not something that could have come
from a eel or any of that nonsense.

02:06:50.640 --> 02:06:51.700
And God created one.

02:06:51.900 --> 02:06:52.360
He created many.

02:06:52.600 --> 02:06:52.720
Sure.

02:06:52.880 --> 02:06:53.040
Right.

02:06:54.400 --> 02:06:58.780
Your picture, as well as being on the
cover of Joseph's book, has been in a

02:06:58.780 --> 02:06:59.160
number of places.

02:06:59.260 --> 02:07:02.480
It was in Time Magazine July 81,
I think.

02:07:03.460 --> 02:07:04.820
You were on Unsolved Mysteries.

02:07:04.880 --> 02:07:05.740
Did you say this last week?

02:07:06.480 --> 02:07:09.380
Unsolved Mysteries has been shown three
times.

02:07:10.080 --> 02:07:13.660
The first was in September of last year.

02:07:13.660 --> 02:07:15.420
That would be September of 92.

02:07:15.700 --> 02:07:15.960
Right.

02:07:16.140 --> 02:07:21.840
And then, recently, about a week or so
ago, we had a rebound of it.

02:07:22.940 --> 02:07:24.660
So you're a movie star now.

02:07:25.160 --> 02:07:25.460
No.

02:07:26.800 --> 02:07:31.660
Well, there are those who teach that
evolution is a proven fact, that dinosaurs

02:07:31.660 --> 02:07:32.660
lived millions of years ago.

02:07:32.820 --> 02:07:34.820
I, as you know, am very different.

02:07:35.020 --> 02:07:36.880
I was a science teacher for 15 years.

02:07:37.920 --> 02:07:41.780
I'm of the strong studied opinion that a
few dinosaurs are even still alive.

02:07:41.780 --> 02:07:43.320
The world isn't millions of years old.

02:07:43.700 --> 02:07:48.480
Would you say that what you saw was best
described as being a dinosaur of some

02:07:48.480 --> 02:07:49.440
kind, water dwelling?

02:07:50.040 --> 02:07:51.200
I saw a dinosaur.

02:07:51.460 --> 02:07:53.260
You felt like you were seeing a dinosaur,
right?

02:07:53.280 --> 02:07:53.920
I know.

02:07:54.080 --> 02:07:55.480
I felt I know.

02:07:55.580 --> 02:07:56.200
You know, okay.

02:07:56.260 --> 02:07:57.360
I saw a dinosaur.

02:07:57.800 --> 02:08:01.780
Now, the question comes to some people's
mind, why did you only take one picture?

02:08:04.160 --> 02:08:05.740
Because I didn't want to miss anything.

02:08:06.180 --> 02:08:06.840
Busy watching it?

02:08:06.880 --> 02:08:08.000
I was busy watching it.

02:08:08.000 --> 02:08:12.060
I brought the camera, I took the one
photograph, and then I put it down because

02:08:12.060 --> 02:08:13.640
I didn't want to miss anything.

02:08:13.780 --> 02:08:17.140
I was in such total awe of what was
happening.

02:08:18.400 --> 02:08:20.100
And I don't even know why I took the one.

02:08:20.420 --> 02:08:21.280
It was just instinct.

02:08:21.400 --> 02:08:22.800
My husband handed me the camera.

02:08:23.180 --> 02:08:24.460
He had gone after the camera anyway.

02:08:24.480 --> 02:08:26.080
He had gone after the camera to take
pictures of the children.

02:08:26.260 --> 02:08:27.220
Okay, before it surfaced.

02:08:27.320 --> 02:08:30.020
He didn't even know anything was going on
until he got back there.

02:08:30.080 --> 02:08:34.180
And he helped me up the banking,
and he handed me the camera so he could

02:08:34.180 --> 02:08:35.020
help me up the banking.

02:08:35.280 --> 02:08:35.900
And I had it.

02:08:35.900 --> 02:08:37.300
My knees gave out.

02:08:37.460 --> 02:08:38.220
I was shaking.

02:08:39.080 --> 02:08:42.420
And I went down on my knees, I picked the
camera up, I took the one photograph,

02:08:43.100 --> 02:08:44.300
and then put it down.

02:08:45.740 --> 02:08:47.740
You could have taken 20 pictures.

02:08:47.800 --> 02:08:48.380
Oh, absolutely.

02:08:48.880 --> 02:08:50.240
But I wanted to watch it.

02:08:51.000 --> 02:08:53.140
And your mind tries to rationalize.

02:08:54.120 --> 02:08:56.060
And I'm trying to think, what is this?

02:08:57.340 --> 02:09:00.240
And there comes a point when you cannot
rationalize.

02:09:00.340 --> 02:09:01.920
You just stand there and ask.

02:09:03.040 --> 02:09:03.740
Well, great.

02:09:04.120 --> 02:09:04.840
Anything else?

02:09:05.000 --> 02:09:06.560
Any other typical questions you get asked?

02:09:06.660 --> 02:09:10.360
Most of the people that interview you are
those who believe in evolution.

02:09:11.180 --> 02:09:12.320
And how do you feel about that?

02:09:13.400 --> 02:09:14.220
You don't like that.

02:09:14.840 --> 02:09:16.060
I agree with you 100%.

02:09:16.060 --> 02:09:18.160
And I appreciate you letting me use your
picture.

02:09:18.280 --> 02:09:19.340
I put it on one of my posters.

02:09:20.640 --> 02:09:22.940
And I have quite a few pictures from
different people.

02:09:23.040 --> 02:09:25.440
And my motive is to strengthen people's
faith in the Bible.

02:09:26.020 --> 02:09:27.260
The Bible is the word of God.

02:09:27.700 --> 02:09:29.040
And there's Sandy's picture.

02:09:29.540 --> 02:09:32.820
You've been featured in a number of shows
and magazines and things like that.

02:09:33.140 --> 02:09:34.680
You've lived here, how long?

02:09:35.000 --> 02:09:35.860
In Winchester.

02:09:36.240 --> 02:09:37.680
Twenty years.

02:09:38.160 --> 02:09:41.740
So you had no intention of trying to
become a celebrity by photographing Jan.

02:09:42.120 --> 02:09:44.460
As a matter of fact, I really didn't even
want to publish.

02:09:44.700 --> 02:09:46.320
I kept it a secret for two years.

02:09:46.720 --> 02:09:49.160
And then I made them keep it in the
scientific world.

02:09:50.000 --> 02:09:53.700
And I was forced by the media to publish.

02:09:54.320 --> 02:09:56.580
Because they were calling me, why does
this exist?

02:09:56.860 --> 02:09:57.980
Why haven't we seen it?

02:09:57.980 --> 02:10:00.120
And so I was forced to.

02:10:00.240 --> 02:10:02.280
And that's why I had to...

02:10:02.280 --> 02:10:07.160
I put a copyright on so that I could have
some control and some protection as to

02:10:07.160 --> 02:10:08.700
who's going to use it.

02:10:08.960 --> 02:10:09.100
Right.

02:10:09.400 --> 02:10:09.700
Smart.

02:10:09.860 --> 02:10:10.220
Good move.

02:10:10.920 --> 02:10:16.200
Now, people have asked me, if there are so
many of these creatures, why don't we get

02:10:16.200 --> 02:10:16.780
more pictures?

02:10:17.540 --> 02:10:20.200
And I ask them the question, I'll say,
have you ever seen a car wreck?

02:10:20.820 --> 02:10:21.480
They'll say, well sure.

02:10:22.040 --> 02:10:23.940
I'll say, give me a picture of one as it
happens.

02:10:25.180 --> 02:10:27.460
You never see a picture of a car wreck as
it happens.

02:10:27.580 --> 02:10:28.780
And yet thousands of car wrecks happen.

02:10:30.520 --> 02:10:32.120
So it's something that's fleeting.

02:10:32.200 --> 02:10:32.860
It lasts a few seconds.

02:10:32.940 --> 02:10:34.660
You don't think of taking a picture until
it's too late.

02:10:35.900 --> 02:10:39.360
Well, maybe if you could keep me posted,
send me information if you get any more.

02:10:40.140 --> 02:10:42.440
Because people probably come to you all
the time, don't they, and say I saw it.

02:10:42.680 --> 02:10:43.980
I would like to keep a file of that.

02:10:44.120 --> 02:10:44.840
Send me a list.

02:10:45.040 --> 02:10:45.360
Absolutely.

02:10:47.300 --> 02:10:49.240
Here's a picture of a chancellor on the
wall.

02:10:51.000 --> 02:10:52.840
Tell me about the old gentleman that came
and looked at it.

02:10:53.300 --> 02:10:58.880
I was standing here at the counter and an
older gentleman came in and he's staring

02:10:58.880 --> 02:11:01.660
at the picture and he's staring and he
asked me what it was.

02:11:01.760 --> 02:11:04.620
And I told him it was a chink on my
champagne.

02:11:05.900 --> 02:11:09.480
And he went on to tell me that he had
never told a soul this.

02:11:09.720 --> 02:11:10.780
And he was in his 80s.

02:11:10.940 --> 02:11:12.640
I think he said he was 89 or 87.

02:11:13.520 --> 02:11:19.100
And he tells me about when he was a young
man he went fishing with his grandfather

02:11:19.100 --> 02:11:26.800
up in Lake Champlain up by the Bullwaga
Bay that area He grew up on the lake?

02:11:26.960 --> 02:11:28.060
Yeah, he grew up on the lake.

02:11:28.280 --> 02:11:34.960
He told me of a time that he and his
grandfather were out fishing and this

02:11:35.580 --> 02:11:41.160
monstrous big thing he said came out of
the water and his grandfather told him

02:11:41.160 --> 02:11:48.400
that it was champ and that he wasn't to
tell anybody but they would think that

02:11:48.400 --> 02:11:49.460
they were insane.

02:11:49.920 --> 02:11:54.780
And so all those years he never told a
soul about it.

02:11:54.980 --> 02:11:59.100
I was the first person he told and he said
to me I was not insane.

02:11:59.520 --> 02:12:01.120
My grandfather was not insane.

02:12:01.760 --> 02:12:04.680
We saw a living, breathing dinosaur.

02:12:05.620 --> 02:12:07.480
And I was like, hallelujah!

02:12:08.100 --> 02:12:08.460
Yes!

02:12:08.460 --> 02:12:10.540
Yes, absolutely.

02:12:11.320 --> 02:12:14.920
Now other people have seen it and come to
you and say, hey...

02:12:15.480 --> 02:12:21.300
Yes, I appreciate that because it gives me
vindication that I'm not crazy,

02:12:21.560 --> 02:12:22.940
I'm not a creep out.

02:12:23.640 --> 02:12:28.820
This is what I saw, this is what they saw
and we all saw something and what?

02:12:28.960 --> 02:12:30.760
Sometimes maybe the lake will give up our
secret.

02:12:31.060 --> 02:12:31.440
Who knows?

02:12:32.100 --> 02:12:32.960
But let's not kill it.

02:12:33.840 --> 02:12:35.020
Thank you so much.

02:12:35.020 --> 02:12:36.580
You got customers here, we better let you
go.

02:13:13.080 --> 02:13:14.160
It's a shark!

02:13:15.720 --> 02:13:20.000
God darn, it's got white things all coming
out of the water.

02:13:22.780 --> 02:13:24.100
Ew, what the heck is that?

02:13:28.200 --> 02:13:29.480
Hey, it went under.

02:13:32.440 --> 02:13:35.600
Oh, it went under right there.

02:13:37.700 --> 02:13:38.980
It's a little bit awkward.

02:13:39.460 --> 02:13:41.300
Let me see those binoculars.

02:13:42.480 --> 02:13:43.840
It was a shark.

02:13:44.020 --> 02:13:45.040
No, it wasn't a shark.

02:13:45.480 --> 02:13:46.620
Something just came up there.

02:13:50.250 --> 02:13:51.470
I've seen it, Dad.

02:13:51.770 --> 02:13:52.330
It's gone.

02:13:52.630 --> 02:13:53.370
It went under.

02:13:53.770 --> 02:13:54.890
I think we just see champ.

02:13:56.050 --> 02:13:56.750
What's champ?

02:13:57.570 --> 02:13:58.230
Lake Champlain?

02:13:59.230 --> 02:13:59.830
Monster.

02:14:03.090 --> 02:14:04.350
It's gone, Clayton.

02:14:05.610 --> 02:14:06.210
I know.

02:14:06.530 --> 02:14:08.210
I shouldn't have looked at it with the
binoculars so long.

02:14:08.290 --> 02:14:08.990
I should have got the camera.

02:14:10.270 --> 02:14:11.670
Oh, it went under the lake.

02:14:13.630 --> 02:14:15.310
It started way the heck out there.

02:14:15.650 --> 02:14:18.210
Just past that buoy when that sailboat
went by.

02:14:18.810 --> 02:14:19.430
I know.

02:14:19.630 --> 02:14:22.090
When I was looking at it with the
binoculars, I thought it was just a log.

02:14:23.490 --> 02:14:29.330
It ran over, but it went right from that
buoy all the way inland, went underneath

02:14:29.330 --> 02:14:29.970
right in there.

02:14:53.170 --> 02:14:57.650
This is a giant squid of the species
Architeuthis dux.

02:14:58.330 --> 02:15:03.450
It came ashore on November 22,
1979 in St. Brendan's on Collier's Island

02:15:03.450 --> 02:15:04.850
in Bonavista Bay, Newfoundland.

02:15:05.330 --> 02:15:06.730
It's an immature female.

02:15:07.210 --> 02:15:10.190
It is a small female, but it is a giant
squid.

02:15:10.630 --> 02:15:15.190
I believe that giant squid reach an
approximate maximum size of something like

02:15:15.190 --> 02:15:16.250
150 feet.

02:15:16.870 --> 02:15:23.470
If this is 20 feet long, well then,
it's almost eight times longer than this

02:15:23.470 --> 02:15:24.510
in overall length.

02:15:24.810 --> 02:15:25.750
And that's a big squid.

02:15:29.450 --> 02:15:34.250
In 1976, just 30 miles off the Lizard in
Cornwall, two fishermen, George Vinnican

02:15:34.250 --> 02:15:36.610
and John Cox, also met a monster.

02:15:37.050 --> 02:15:41.990
Well, it went steaming 30 miles off,
25 to 30 miles off.

02:15:43.070 --> 02:15:46.970
We saw what I thought was an upturned boat
on the horizon.

02:15:47.710 --> 02:15:49.030
We went over to investigate.

02:15:49.890 --> 02:15:52.550
When we got closer, we could see it wasn't
an upturned boat.

02:15:53.530 --> 02:15:56.250
It was something that, well, mothers have
seen before.

02:15:58.470 --> 02:16:02.530
So, it was dark in colour, and had sort of
umps on the back.

02:16:03.330 --> 02:16:06.510
I should say it was, well, between 15 and
18 feet in length.

02:16:07.610 --> 02:16:10.490
And rising above the sea about three feet.

02:16:12.410 --> 02:16:13.750
It was a flat, calm day.

02:16:13.830 --> 02:16:15.750
There was no disturbance on the sea at
all.

02:16:16.470 --> 02:16:20.890
When we got up closer, went a little
closer, I came astern.

02:16:21.770 --> 02:16:25.930
Mermaids went up out of the water about
three feet from this body.

02:16:26.170 --> 02:16:28.130
Head appeared out of the water.

02:16:30.250 --> 02:16:34.570
And it was a, well, thing I've never seen
before after about 40 years at sea.

02:16:36.390 --> 02:16:39.750
And it gradually sank in the water and
disappeared.

02:16:40.590 --> 02:16:45.710
But, after talking about it, the only
thing we could explain it was it was very

02:16:45.710 --> 02:16:46.950
much like a prehistoric animal.

02:16:48.350 --> 02:16:50.030
Welcome to Obie's open line program.

02:16:50.470 --> 02:16:52.450
I do believe that's what's going on in
here this morning.

02:16:52.570 --> 02:16:53.110
Therese, how are you?

02:16:53.390 --> 02:16:54.430
I'm fine, thank you.

02:16:54.550 --> 02:16:57.070
We're talking about the Ogopogo today.

02:16:57.570 --> 02:17:00.590
A lot of people in the area have seen it.

02:17:01.070 --> 02:17:03.730
The legend goes on for many years and
we'll be talking to some experts.

02:17:03.970 --> 02:17:05.470
I believe we've got Arlene Gall coming in.

02:17:05.710 --> 02:17:06.650
Arlene wrote a book on it.

02:17:06.770 --> 02:17:07.270
That's right.

02:17:08.230 --> 02:17:09.570
But we're going to go to the phone lines
right now.

02:17:10.070 --> 02:17:10.750
Line two, good morning.

02:17:11.110 --> 02:17:11.570
Hello there.

02:17:11.570 --> 02:17:12.830
Mr. Pugliese.

02:17:13.010 --> 02:17:13.750
Yes, go ahead, sir.

02:17:15.090 --> 02:17:16.210
You want to know about Ogopogo?

02:17:16.350 --> 02:17:17.490
I certainly do.

02:17:17.710 --> 02:17:18.550
Yeah, okay.

02:17:19.210 --> 02:17:27.310
I had a taxi and I took a passenger to the
hospital and then I was coming down Abbott

02:17:27.310 --> 02:17:27.630
Street.

02:17:32.120 --> 02:17:34.360
And I got far as about here.

02:17:35.680 --> 02:17:36.960
I looked at the lake.

02:17:37.880 --> 02:17:38.980
I was surprised.

02:17:39.080 --> 02:17:40.720
I seen this thing come out of the water.

02:17:41.360 --> 02:17:46.640
It was like a horse's head with kind of
horns on it.

02:17:47.340 --> 02:17:49.840
Oh, he was huge, you know, standing up
there.

02:17:50.160 --> 02:17:50.520
Oh, my.

02:17:51.060 --> 02:17:55.220
Just like a you know, like a big serpent.

02:17:56.340 --> 02:17:59.760
Then another fellow come behind me and he
says, what are you looking at?

02:17:59.820 --> 02:18:01.800
I says, I see no Ogopogo over there.

02:18:03.140 --> 02:18:04.740
And he says, where, where?

02:18:05.040 --> 02:18:05.760
Over there, he says.

02:18:06.100 --> 02:18:11.520
I had the door open, the car, and I
stepped out just a little bit and he

02:18:11.520 --> 02:18:13.080
slipped back in the water, see?

02:18:13.780 --> 02:18:16.520
And he said, gee, look at the big,
big waves there.

02:18:17.000 --> 02:18:22.220
And all we can see is big waves going down
there to Fred's place where he had the

02:18:22.220 --> 02:18:23.140
boat, boat rental.

02:18:23.880 --> 02:18:25.380
And they disappeared, see?

02:18:26.080 --> 02:18:29.660
And then I got all excited.

02:18:29.800 --> 02:18:34.020
I got in the car and I pulled the willow
in and I told the people, I says,

02:18:34.220 --> 02:18:36.760
they were having breakfast, I just seen
Ogopogo.

02:18:37.640 --> 02:18:39.580
And they says, what the heck you been
drinking, eh?

02:18:40.380 --> 02:18:41.500
Line four, go ahead, please.

02:18:42.020 --> 02:18:42.640
Hello, John.

02:18:42.780 --> 02:18:43.600
How are you?

02:18:43.780 --> 02:18:44.540
I'm not too bad.

02:18:44.760 --> 02:18:44.960
Good.

02:18:45.300 --> 02:18:46.080
Are you going to give me your name?

02:18:46.620 --> 02:18:47.240
No, I'm not.

02:18:47.400 --> 02:18:47.660
Okay.

02:18:48.800 --> 02:18:53.280
Tell me about the... I saw Ogopogo off of
about four years ago.

02:18:53.760 --> 02:18:55.540
Okay, you don't want to give your name on
the air.

02:18:55.720 --> 02:18:56.220
No, I don't.

02:18:56.300 --> 02:18:57.860
You've told some people, obviously.

02:18:58.400 --> 02:18:58.940
Ah, yes.

02:18:59.300 --> 02:19:01.900
Are you afraid that they might think
you're a little bit of a...

02:19:01.900 --> 02:19:04.960
Well, I had some strange phone calls.

02:19:06.640 --> 02:19:07.120
And...

02:19:07.120 --> 02:19:07.740
I get them every day.

02:19:07.820 --> 02:19:08.620
That's what they pay me for.

02:19:08.900 --> 02:19:12.880
Well, I don't get paid for them,
so I don't really want any more.

02:19:13.000 --> 02:19:13.500
Thank you.

02:19:14.380 --> 02:19:19.040
We were up on the beach having a picnic
and my daughter was on the swings when I

02:19:19.040 --> 02:19:23.640
saw this creature underneath the wharf
there.

02:19:24.360 --> 02:19:29.140
When I turned around and saw it and
realized that it was the legendary

02:19:29.140 --> 02:19:32.840
Ogopogo, I just freaked out.

02:19:32.840 --> 02:19:39.120
I grabbed the baby and ran down to the
beach and I guess I yelled over and over,

02:19:39.280 --> 02:19:39.760
that's him.

02:19:40.360 --> 02:19:41.760
She was screaming like anything.

02:19:41.920 --> 02:19:43.100
She just couldn't believe it.

02:19:43.140 --> 02:19:44.000
Her face was red.

02:19:44.360 --> 02:19:49.360
It was fishing or whatever it was doing
and it was there for quite some time.

02:19:50.180 --> 02:19:57.320
Then it straightened out and went along
those poles and as it traveled along just

02:19:57.320 --> 02:20:03.300
the three humps were showing and they were
going from one end of those poles to the

02:20:03.300 --> 02:20:04.320
other in the space.

02:20:04.660 --> 02:20:05.440
The three humps were.

02:20:05.880 --> 02:20:12.340
It traveled along the beach till about the
corner over there and then it turned and

02:20:12.840 --> 02:20:14.180
went straight across the lake.

02:20:15.300 --> 02:20:17.820
Alright, we're going to break from the
phone calls right now and introduce to you

02:20:17.820 --> 02:20:20.120
someone that's well known in the Okanagan
Valley, Arlene Gall.

02:20:20.340 --> 02:20:23.160
Arlene has written a book on the Ogopogo.

02:20:23.320 --> 02:20:24.020
Good morning, Arlene.

02:20:24.120 --> 02:20:24.320
How are you?

02:20:24.320 --> 02:20:24.820
Good morning, John.

02:20:24.960 --> 02:20:25.360
Good morning, Teresa.

02:20:25.380 --> 02:20:25.940
Good morning, Arlene.

02:20:26.120 --> 02:20:28.000
How many sightings have you documented?

02:20:29.040 --> 02:20:29.840
Literally hundreds.

02:20:30.580 --> 02:20:32.060
When was the first sighting?

02:20:32.540 --> 02:20:34.860
The very first sighting was in 1852.

02:20:35.020 --> 02:20:37.920
The first documented sighting in 1852.

02:20:38.060 --> 02:20:40.600
Okay, 1852 and it's now 1980.

02:20:41.440 --> 02:20:45.400
Do we take it to mean that there must be
more than one Ogopogo?

02:20:45.560 --> 02:20:47.240
There definitely appear to be more than
one.

02:20:47.320 --> 02:20:50.340
There has been a film that was made and I
think it was back in 1968.

02:20:51.000 --> 02:20:53.640
It's pretty hard not to believe when you
see it right in front of your eyes.

02:20:53.720 --> 02:20:55.140
Tell us about that film this morning.

02:20:55.360 --> 02:21:00.280
The Foulden film was taken in 1968 by a
gentleman by the name of Art Foulden.

02:21:00.480 --> 02:21:03.880
He was returning from a trip to his home
in Chase.

02:21:04.580 --> 02:21:09.180
And as he neared Peachland area,
he spotted an object out on the lake and

02:21:09.180 --> 02:21:11.180
he said to his wife, look, there's
Ogopogo.

02:21:11.460 --> 02:21:12.680
And she laughed at him.

02:21:12.820 --> 02:21:15.540
And he got out and started filming the
creature.

02:21:15.780 --> 02:21:21.040
And what we see in the film is a large
animal object moving through the water,

02:21:21.520 --> 02:21:25.880
surfacing and submerging at various speeds
and at various times.

02:21:26.860 --> 02:21:32.560
And it also shows the creature taking off
at very high speed, producing a massive

02:21:32.560 --> 02:21:32.900
wake.

02:21:33.260 --> 02:21:37.840
And this is the footage in the film that I
like very much, because you see a creature

02:21:37.840 --> 02:21:42.640
just pushing water something terrifically
with a massive wake in front, just

02:21:42.640 --> 02:21:45.260
creating a huge wave action.

02:21:45.580 --> 02:21:47.840
This is believability on my part.

02:21:48.580 --> 02:21:50.160
Have there been any recent sightings?

02:21:50.560 --> 02:21:55.540
We've had approximately seven to eight
sightings this year, but we have one that

02:21:55.540 --> 02:21:56.780
has been the very best sight.

02:21:56.780 --> 02:21:56.980
Why?

02:21:57.100 --> 02:21:59.000
It was the Rieger family.

02:22:00.600 --> 02:22:01.660
It was a beautiful day.

02:22:01.780 --> 02:22:03.360
The water was just as calm as glass.

02:22:04.260 --> 02:22:05.280
And I just took a look across.

02:22:05.380 --> 02:22:06.480
I could see a big wave coming.

02:22:07.800 --> 02:22:11.640
And at that time I just didn't take much
notice of it.

02:22:11.740 --> 02:22:15.940
And it kept coming closer and I thought to
myself, why would there be a wave coming

02:22:15.940 --> 02:22:18.760
if there's no wind or anything?

02:22:18.760 --> 02:22:20.760
So I called to my son.

02:22:20.840 --> 02:22:22.080
I says, come on back here.

02:22:22.140 --> 02:22:26.740
And I says, take a look and see if you
think what the heck's coming down the lake

02:22:26.740 --> 02:22:26.960
here.

02:22:27.320 --> 02:22:28.680
So he took a look at it.

02:22:28.740 --> 02:22:29.880
And he says, gee, I don't know.

02:22:30.440 --> 02:22:31.920
So we had his grandson.

02:22:32.080 --> 02:22:33.220
My grandson was along too.

02:22:33.820 --> 02:22:36.700
And he said, hey, Grandpa, he says,
that's the Ogopogo.

02:22:37.240 --> 02:22:40.520
It would have ran right into us,
but we were the boat off alongside.

02:22:41.180 --> 02:22:45.400
And then we followed it alongside for
about, oh, maybe 15 to 20 minutes.

02:22:46.320 --> 02:22:50.960
And I'd say the monster was possibly 14 to
16 feet long, which was above water,

02:22:51.060 --> 02:22:52.880
sticking above about 3 feet.

02:22:53.840 --> 02:22:57.340
And had quite a hump on the front
shoulders and a hump on the back where the

02:22:57.340 --> 02:22:57.760
tail went.

02:22:57.860 --> 02:23:02.820
And I'd say the tail was approximately,
oh, probably 30, 40, maybe 50 feet because

02:23:02.820 --> 02:23:03.940
you couldn't see the end of it.

02:23:04.220 --> 02:23:05.400
But he did have a long tail.

02:23:05.460 --> 02:23:06.240
He had four legs.

02:23:07.020 --> 02:23:10.700
And I'd say the monster weighed
approximately maybe 30 ton.

02:23:11.320 --> 02:23:17.380
And his head, and his head in the front
was moving from side to side.

02:23:19.140 --> 02:23:25.960
It seemed like he was looking for fish or
feeding or something like that.

02:23:26.320 --> 02:23:30.060
And he was stirring up a tremendous amount
of water.

02:23:30.660 --> 02:23:32.600
If I would have never seen it,
I would have never believed it.

02:23:32.820 --> 02:23:34.820
And actually, I don't care if anybody
believes me or not.

02:23:34.920 --> 02:23:37.080
But I seen this animal and I know it's
here.

02:23:37.760 --> 02:23:40.980
And I know it's a tremendous sized animal.

02:23:41.760 --> 02:23:47.700
It was some sort of a, we call it a
monster fish for lack of a better word.

02:23:48.400 --> 02:23:52.020
But it was approximately 30 to 35 feet in
length.

02:23:52.840 --> 02:23:55.520
And its head was protruding out of the
water.

02:23:56.600 --> 02:24:04.780
And you could see the flagellation action
of the tail and the waves going beyond it.

02:24:05.140 --> 02:24:08.000
And I took two pictures of it.

02:24:08.000 --> 02:24:09.880
You said it was roughly similar to this?

02:24:09.960 --> 02:24:10.420
What was different?

02:24:10.580 --> 02:24:11.340
Similar to this.

02:24:11.620 --> 02:24:19.200
I couldn't see these fins on the side
because that is the fish that I saw or

02:24:19.200 --> 02:24:19.860
whatever.

02:24:20.360 --> 02:24:23.040
They were not within sight.

02:24:23.380 --> 02:24:27.280
I mean, I could only see the head and the
neck and the upper part of the body.

02:24:27.900 --> 02:24:30.200
This is Kent Hovind from Pensacola,
Florida.

02:24:30.480 --> 02:24:33.000
I'm here in Canada at the 100 Huntley
Street program.

02:24:33.540 --> 02:24:36.900
Several years ago, I think 1994,
when I was here on the program,

02:24:37.460 --> 02:24:40.480
I brought my book from Dr. Roy Mackell,
A Living Dinosaur.

02:24:41.260 --> 02:24:46.200
And Cal, who is sitting here beside me,
Bombay said, he said, I was in Africa and

02:24:46.200 --> 02:24:47.600
I saw something like that, a dinosaur.

02:24:47.680 --> 02:24:50.720
And I turned to this page, page 256 in Roy
Mackell's book.

02:24:51.260 --> 02:24:53.240
And Cal, you said, hey, I saw one of
those.

02:24:53.500 --> 02:24:57.200
Would you take just a few minutes and tell
the folks what you saw and where you were

02:24:57.200 --> 02:24:58.560
and if they can get a hold of you for any
questions.

02:24:58.980 --> 02:25:00.040
Just describe what you saw.

02:25:00.200 --> 02:25:04.080
Well, it was probably one of the most
startling experiences I've ever had.

02:25:04.160 --> 02:25:06.920
It was about 1963, I think.

02:25:07.380 --> 02:25:12.580
And I was on my way through the old roads
of Kenya back to Nairobi to pick up a car.

02:25:12.780 --> 02:25:16.080
So I was taking this old Chevrolet that
was almost too big for those roads for the

02:25:16.080 --> 02:25:16.420
potholes.

02:25:16.500 --> 02:25:17.320
And I was going rather slow.

02:25:17.700 --> 02:25:20.580
And it was a hilly country near a place
called Muhuroni.

02:25:21.580 --> 02:25:25.300
And that's down in the Rift Valley,
but a hilly part of the Rift Valley.

02:25:25.620 --> 02:25:28.120
As we came up over the brow of the hill,
my wife was with me.

02:25:28.640 --> 02:25:32.480
And suddenly laying there in front of us,
right across the road, seven, eight,

02:25:32.600 --> 02:25:37.640
nine feet long, was what I thought at
first was a crocodile.

02:25:37.880 --> 02:25:39.320
And I thought, no, it can't be a
crocodile.

02:25:39.460 --> 02:25:40.740
This is a dry part of the country.

02:25:41.040 --> 02:25:44.080
And then as I looked at it, we slowed
down, stopped the car actually,

02:25:44.280 --> 02:25:46.980
and stood, sat there for ten minutes
looking at this.

02:25:47.440 --> 02:25:51.640
And as I looked at it, I thought,
this is... I mean, the actual word

02:25:51.640 --> 02:25:52.920
prehistoric went through my mind.

02:25:53.360 --> 02:25:54.520
I said, this can't be real.

02:25:54.940 --> 02:25:57.600
I've seen pictures like this, but not
quite like this one.

02:25:58.060 --> 02:26:03.320
Anyway, from the tail right through to the
back of its head were...

02:26:03.320 --> 02:26:04.460
I don't know what you call them.

02:26:04.680 --> 02:26:05.580
Serrations, ridges.

02:26:05.760 --> 02:26:09.020
Ridges, ridges, like triangles,
perfectly, perfect triangles.

02:26:09.420 --> 02:26:12.420
All the way from the tail to the head to
the tail.

02:26:13.080 --> 02:26:16.180
And it was just laying squatted down on
the road, seeming to sun.

02:26:17.360 --> 02:26:20.180
And so I looked at the thing for ten
minutes.

02:26:20.620 --> 02:26:24.760
I could shoot myself for not having my
camera with me that day, but I wish I had.

02:26:25.200 --> 02:26:26.000
But there it was.

02:26:26.100 --> 02:26:29.300
And I had never seen anything like it,
nor before, nor since.

02:26:29.420 --> 02:26:30.160
And I've asked people.

02:26:30.740 --> 02:26:34.500
In fact, I went to the natural museum and
said, have you ever seen anything or heard

02:26:34.500 --> 02:26:36.240
of anything in Kenya of this nature?

02:26:36.380 --> 02:26:38.180
And they said, no, there's nothing like
that alive today.

02:26:38.480 --> 02:26:39.620
I said, I saw something.

02:26:40.160 --> 02:26:43.440
And I argued with them really rather
intently for a while.

02:26:43.580 --> 02:26:46.940
And they said, well, it must have been a
figment of your imagination.

02:26:47.480 --> 02:26:49.100
Well, my wife and I both saw it.

02:26:49.740 --> 02:26:53.260
And we asked for several years,
we asked anybody if they'd ever seen

02:26:53.260 --> 02:26:53.920
anything like that.

02:26:54.340 --> 02:26:56.340
Nobody had, nor have I since.

02:26:56.640 --> 02:26:57.840
But there it was laying on the road.

02:26:58.300 --> 02:27:04.000
After about ten minutes, it stood up,
not quite as high as this drawing,

02:27:04.900 --> 02:27:11.120
but it just kind of wandered off into a
very dry part of the country, bushy a

02:27:11.120 --> 02:27:11.520
little bit.

02:27:11.880 --> 02:27:12.700
Not much greenery.

02:27:12.800 --> 02:27:14.300
It was a dry time of the year.

02:27:14.540 --> 02:27:16.060
And it just took off.

02:27:16.720 --> 02:27:20.100
And Mary and I just kind of looked at each
other and wondered, saying, what in the

02:27:20.100 --> 02:27:21.140
world is this thing?

02:27:21.200 --> 02:27:22.040
What color was it?

02:27:22.800 --> 02:27:24.340
It was kind of dusty gray.

02:27:25.160 --> 02:27:25.960
Could you see the eyes?

02:27:26.280 --> 02:27:27.440
Yeah, they'd blink.

02:27:27.560 --> 02:27:29.820
In fact, it turned its head and looked at
us.

02:27:30.020 --> 02:27:31.680
It didn't seem to be afraid of us.

02:27:32.040 --> 02:27:35.900
Could you tell from the pupil of the
eyeball, was it slotted or round?

02:27:36.340 --> 02:27:37.120
Could you see that?

02:27:37.180 --> 02:27:37.580
Not that close?

02:27:37.640 --> 02:27:39.200
I don't think I was close enough to see
that.

02:27:39.300 --> 02:27:41.180
Was the shape of the snout like a
crocodile?

02:27:42.460 --> 02:27:46.000
More like a crocodile than a hippo,
say.

02:27:46.420 --> 02:27:48.780
It had a long face.

02:27:49.240 --> 02:27:52.820
Now, some of the African people I asked,
they said, oh, that was a monitor lizard.

02:27:53.420 --> 02:27:54.660
Well, I said, impossible.

02:27:54.700 --> 02:27:56.180
I've seen many monitor lizards.

02:27:56.280 --> 02:27:58.080
I've never seen one nine feet long.

02:27:58.300 --> 02:27:59.320
Never as long as that.

02:27:59.400 --> 02:28:02.420
And I've actually killed a couple of
monitor lizards with my car.

02:28:03.180 --> 02:28:05.860
And they're smooth-skinned and no ridges
in the back.

02:28:05.900 --> 02:28:07.540
I know a monitor lizard when I see one.

02:28:07.620 --> 02:28:08.900
This was not a monitor lizard.

02:28:09.040 --> 02:28:11.700
This had those ridges down its back.

02:28:12.260 --> 02:28:13.880
Could you tell if it had smooth skin or
scales?

02:28:14.960 --> 02:28:21.380
It looked kind of bumpy, more like an
alligator on the sides.

02:28:21.680 --> 02:28:22.740
I don't think it had scales.

02:28:23.460 --> 02:28:24.480
I can't really be sure.

02:28:26.240 --> 02:28:27.540
It's been a lot of years ago.

02:28:27.960 --> 02:28:29.400
I mean, this is 1997.

02:28:30.140 --> 02:28:33.220
I've been saying for years, there's a few
dinosaurs still alive, and your first

02:28:33.220 --> 02:28:34.820
thought in your mind was something
prehistoric.

02:28:35.000 --> 02:28:39.380
Well, of course, I had been preconditioned
by all the education that I'd had up until

02:28:39.380 --> 02:28:41.280
that time that these things don't exist.

02:28:41.480 --> 02:28:42.800
Whatever it is, it can't be a dinosaur.

02:28:42.940 --> 02:28:44.140
That's the first thought most people had.

02:28:44.140 --> 02:28:47.200
Well, I considered it had to be some kind
of a lizard.

02:28:48.460 --> 02:28:52.660
Because, you know, you have lizards from
this size, little gecko lizards right up

02:28:52.660 --> 02:28:54.040
to monitor lizards.

02:28:54.180 --> 02:28:55.900
You work here at 100 Huntley Street.

02:28:56.420 --> 02:28:58.820
What's the phone number here, so if they
have any questions they can call and ask

02:28:58.820 --> 02:28:59.500
for Cal Bombay?

02:28:59.660 --> 02:29:06.400
My phone number is area code 905 3357100
extension 3206.

02:29:06.580 --> 02:29:08.820
Alright, well, call them up if you don't
believe it.

02:29:09.520 --> 02:29:10.080
I saw it.

02:29:10.080 --> 02:29:11.140
I'm still alive.

02:29:11.500 --> 02:29:14.540
When I saw this picture, I thought,
that's what I saw.

02:29:16.340 --> 02:29:19.060
Alright, let's get them to zoom in on this
picture if you can real quick and we'll

02:29:19.060 --> 02:29:19.700
close out with that.

02:29:19.760 --> 02:29:21.400
If you have any questions, we'd be glad to
help.

02:29:22.200 --> 02:29:24.220
Give us a call if you want more
information on dinosaurs.

02:29:25.020 --> 02:29:28.980
You let us know and we'll be glad to send
you our videotape on creation,

02:29:29.200 --> 02:29:30.220
evolution, and dinosaurs.

02:29:31.200 --> 02:29:33.140
So that's what you saw that day,
1962.

02:29:33.940 --> 02:29:35.620
That's as close as anything I've ever
seen.

02:29:36.340 --> 02:29:37.440
Well, thank you so much, brother.

02:29:37.520 --> 02:29:38.200
I appreciate the time.

02:29:38.580 --> 02:29:39.300
God bless you.

02:29:39.340 --> 02:29:39.580
Thank you.

02:29:43.440 --> 02:29:45.120
Well, thank you for watching this
videotape.

02:29:45.200 --> 02:29:48.900
For those of you that joined us by video,
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02:29:48.900 --> 02:29:49.800
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02:29:49.860 --> 02:29:51.420
We'll try to answer any questions we can.

02:29:51.740 --> 02:29:53.200
We want to help strengthen your faith.

02:29:53.800 --> 02:29:56.780
On this tape, we talked about the age of
the Earth and what the Garden of Eden was

02:29:56.780 --> 02:29:57.040
like.

02:29:58.120 --> 02:30:01.120
It's interesting to learn things about
dinosaurs and about creation and

02:30:01.120 --> 02:30:01.480
evolution.

02:30:01.640 --> 02:30:05.340
But it's much more important to know that
you personally are going to Heaven.

02:30:05.980 --> 02:30:09.060
If you've never trusted Christ as your
Savior, or if you're not sure you're going

02:30:09.060 --> 02:30:12.340
to Heaven, let me share with you very
quickly and simply what the Bible says

02:30:12.340 --> 02:30:13.520
about how to go to Heaven.

02:30:13.980 --> 02:30:16.800
You don't have to do what God says,
but you at least ought to know what's

02:30:16.800 --> 02:30:18.520
going on and know what you need to do.

02:30:18.880 --> 02:30:23.200
When I was a sophomore in high school in
East Peoria, Illinois, I had been raised

02:30:23.200 --> 02:30:26.560
in a variety of different churches,
but I didn't know if I was going to

02:30:26.560 --> 02:30:26.760
Heaven.

02:30:26.880 --> 02:30:29.320
I didn't know if I had ever trusted
Christ.

02:30:29.420 --> 02:30:30.300
I wasn't saved.

02:30:30.900 --> 02:30:33.240
And a friend of mine asked me,
he said, Kent, do you know if you're going

02:30:33.240 --> 02:30:33.560
to Heaven?

02:30:34.520 --> 02:30:35.860
I said, no, I sure don't.

02:30:36.640 --> 02:30:39.200
He said, well, if I could take the Bible
and show you what the Bible says,

02:30:39.300 --> 02:30:40.860
would you be interested in knowing?

02:30:40.980 --> 02:30:42.120
I said, yeah, I'd like to know about that.

02:30:42.820 --> 02:30:45.200
So he took his Bible and showed me three
simple verses.

02:30:45.420 --> 02:30:48.640
And for the first time in my life,
I understood what God wanted.

02:30:49.060 --> 02:30:52.700
The Bible says in the book of Romans,
chapter 3, in verse number 23,

02:30:53.140 --> 02:30:56.800
for all have sinned and come short of the
glory of God.

02:30:57.220 --> 02:30:58.400
Everybody is a sinner.

02:30:59.120 --> 02:31:01.500
My friend looked at me and said,
Kent, you are a sinner.

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You've done things that God doesn't like.

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I said, boy, you can say that again.

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And the Bible says everyone is a sinner.

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Now some are worse than others in man's
eyes, but in God's eyes, one sin makes you

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a sinner.

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And you're in trouble if you've committed,
if you've broken one of God's laws.

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You're guilty.

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You're a sinner.

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Now, in Romans chapter 6, in verse number
23, it tells us, for the wages of sin is

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death.

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Of course, wages is something you earn.

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And wages of sin, what you have earned
because of your sin, is you have earned

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the death penalty.

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You deserve to die and go to hell.

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The problem is, God doesn't want you to go
to hell.

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So to be fair, God has to send everybody
to hell because of one sin.

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But, He decided to provide a way out.

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Jesus Christ came down and died on the
cross to pay for your sins.

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And now you can accept what He did for
you.

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So actually, His death pays for your sin.

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So my friend showed me, the wages of sin
is death.

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He said, can't you deserve to die and go
to hell?

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I said, yeah, I know that.

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He said, but, the verse continues,
the gift of God is eternal life through

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Jesus Christ, our Lord.

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You do not get eternal life through the
church.

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You don't get it through baptism.

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You don't get it through being good.

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You get eternal life through Jesus Christ.

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See, you received, and I received,
we received from our parents, a free gift

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of physical life.

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Somebody else did the work, went through
the pain, paid all the bills, and you and

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I got free gift, physical life.

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Getting born really only takes a few
minutes.

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Now growing takes a long time.

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And getting born into God's family only
takes a few minutes.

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Growing in God's family takes a long time
and requires a lot of effort, like reading

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your Bible, going to church, praying,
doing those things.

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They help you grow to be a good Christian,
but they don't make you a Christian.

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You only become a Christian if somebody
else does the work for you.

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If Jesus Christ comes and lives in your
heart and makes you a new person.

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February 9, 1969, my friend said,
Kent, you're a sinner.

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I said, yeah, I know that.

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He said, according to the Bible,
you deserve to die and go to hell.

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I said, yes, sir, I know that too.

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He said, but God wants to give you a gift,
eternal life.

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You deserve eternal death.

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God wants to give you eternal life.

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I said, how do I get it?

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He said, watch this, Romans chapter 10 and
verse number 13 tells us, for whosoever,

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whosoever means anybody, for whosoever
shall call upon the name of the Lord,

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shall be saved.

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Doesn't say you might be saved,
it says you shall be saved.

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Anybody that receives Jesus Christ,
they call on Him, they ask Him to forgive

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them.

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The Bible says in John chapter 1 that if
you receive Him, you become a child of

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God, you become a son of God.

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In John chapter 3 it says, you must be
born again.

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These things all tie together.

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When you receive Christ as your Savior,
some people use the expression,

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you receive Him into your heart.

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When you receive Jesus Christ,
when you accept what He has done for you,

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you become a child of God.

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You receive the new birth.

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It just takes a few minutes to say,
Jesus, I'm a sinner, would you please

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forgive me and save me.

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And so February 9th, 1969, I bowed my head
and I said, Lord, I'm a sinner.

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I know you died for me on the cross,
and I'd like you to forgive me.

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I'd like you to come live in my heart and
save me and forgive me.

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Make a new person out of me, would you
please, Lord?

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I just received Christ as my Savior.

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And so that day became my spiritual
birthday into God's family.

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I'm now a child of God, have been for
quite a while.

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And if I do something wrong, I cannot go
to hell because I've received the gift of

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eternal life, and eternal life lasts
forever.

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But as God's child, I can receive his
punishment.

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See, I'm in God's family now, and it's
treated very different.

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A family matter if I do some sin.

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Whereas before, I would have been...

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God would have been my judge.

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It was a legal matter if I had sinned.

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But now my sins are paid for.

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So when I tell people I'm going to heaven,
it's not because I'm so good, it's because

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my sins are forgiven.

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You can have the same thing.

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If you'll accept Jesus Christ as your
Savior right now, He'll forgive your sin,

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and save you, and take you to heaven.

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In this session, we talk about creation,
and evolution, and dinosaurs, and carbon

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dating, and all those things that are
interesting.

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But it's not going to matter if you go to
hell.

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Please, check your heart.

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If you've not trusted Christ as your
Savior, why don't you ask Him to save you

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right now?

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Just bow your head and pray a simple
prayer like I prayed in 1969.

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There's no magic words.

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God knows what's in your heart.

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But if you'd like to receive Christ,
why don't you pray something like this

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along with me.

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Just pray and say, Dear Lord Jesus,
I know that I'm a sinner.

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I believe you died for me on the cross.

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And I'd like to ask you to forgive me.

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I now receive you as my Savior.

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In Jesus' name.

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Amen.

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Well folks, Romans 10.13 says,
Whosoever shall call upon the name of the

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Lord shall be saved.

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If you just received Christ, you've got
God's promise.

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You're going to heaven.

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And God's promises last forever.

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So, if you've just done that, why don't
you call or write or email me and let me

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know.

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My name and address will come up on the
screen.

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You can get a hold of me and let me know.

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You just received Christ as your Savior
and we can rejoice with you.

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Once you receive Christ, now that makes
you born into God's family.

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That's just the beginning.

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Growing requires a lot of work.

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You're going to need to read your Bible.

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Go to a good Bible believing church.

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Start telling others about Jesus.

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And there's all sorts of things.

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And I'll be glad to be a help if I can be.

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Thank you so much.

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We hope you enjoy this video series.

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What you're about to hear is an audio tape
made of apparently the roaring of the

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creature in the Congo swamp, the natives
call Mokele Mbembe, which would be one of

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the few living dinosaurs.

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The sound appears to have a flapping or
slapping sound near the end of each roar.

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Some have speculated that this may be
similar to the gecko lizard that makes a

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little roaring sound and then the flap of
skin under its throat slaps back against

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the throat making the slapping sound.

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That's the best so far we have on this.

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If you hear any more, please let me know.

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I hope you enjoy it.

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Thank you for watching.