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We have, I believe, a Trinitarian, or a Trinitarian with a twist,
as he says.
Maybe he's possibly calling in.
So what I'm going to do is just do the intro.
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Okay, just getting the link
headset in.
Might as well keep my one headset down.
Pour out my tea.
And we're just waiting for the guy.
Anyone can join in, but this is a new Trinitarian who said he's going to be
calling in.
So hello, how are you doing Biblical Unitarian?
Hope you're well.
Just waiting for this Trinitarian who tried teaching the Trinity to erode
awakening in the chat.
He's messaged me and apparently he's been put to me.
So I've openly given this opportunity to call in to anyone that watches on TikTok.
By the way, to hear other people in the audio that I'm talking with, you'll have
to watch on YouTube.
But if you just want me to hear my replies, then it's StandOnScripture on
YouTube.
If you're interested, I need to put this link on.
So I'm still waiting for this guy.
I can't find my mic.
Maybe I need to install Chrome.
Okay, just waiting for this person to call in.
How are you guys doing?
Got my herbal tea.
That tastes a bit better now.
Let's see.
The problem is that it says it doesn't have any...
It's talking with this guy.
So just waiting for him to get things sorted.
How's everyone's day been?
I hope it's going well.
Shabbat shalom.
I've tried.
It's hot.
I can't wait until I get a proper fan.
Go get a table fan and then I'll go get another fan.
Hopefully over there.
Too hot, man.
The guy's just setting up the microphone, trying to get the microphone started.
So once he's got that, he said he'll try and get called in.
Just waiting for him to sort things out.
Welcome to people in TikTok and people on YouTube.
Come in and say hello.
Nice.
Did you enjoy your tea dog?
Welcome everyone that's watching.
I hope you're so good.
Having a good day.
Yeah, we're just waiting for this guy to update his Chrome.
He thinks that may be the issue.
Yeah, Tyler was all over the place.
He was saying that God is not the book, the Bible, because the Bible is obviously
a created thing.
God's not a created thing.
And then I went, well, how is he Jesus if Jesus is literally the flesh, the human,
the man?
And it says that in the Bible.
Kind of dug himself a little pit for the Trinity, to be honest.
Okay, I don't think this guy's coming.
I'm not sure.
Oh, we've got an update.
Yeah, coming.
No, it seems to not find it.
Please unplug and plug back in.
Just trying.
I don't know what this guy's problem is.
It's saying it's not picking up his microphone.
I have tracked.
Again and again.
Okay,
so the guy's saying that he's having microphone problems or it's not finding or
whatever.
So if anyone else wants to call in,
you're more welcome to chat up there.
Just click the link.
You can call in via phone on the link also.
I think we're good.
So it looks like he may have the thing.
I've got my boxers scrolling up my leg and it's getting uncomfortable.
Just one second.
I'm sure it's this chair, you know.
So if he clicks the link, it'll tune in.
So there we are.
Hello.
Oh, apparently it seems like something's going on, but can I?
No, you're not going through.
Why are you not going through?
You can hear me, right?
Yeah, I can hear you.
Yeah, but I can't hear you.
Why can't I?
You know, it's just problem after problem here.
Cam, start, mute, start cam, no cam.
See here, speaker.
Let's try another one here.
Test.
What's the problem?
Oh, are you there?
Yeah, I can hear you.
Oh, finally.
Wow, that was a tough one.
There we go.
Do you want to tell the people what you believe?
In regards of the Godhead?
Just anything like your religion, like what religion do you follow or what
belief do you follow?
Well, I'm a Christian overall, I would proclaim myself a Protestant.
What do you call it?
One that believes in the millennium here on earth.
Following in regards of the festivals to my best ability in regards of those found
in the I believe those are the Christian festivals and not those pagan festivals in
regards of Rome that we have.
I came out of the occult many years ago, having contact with demons and going into
all these nonsense doctrines and came out of it.
Any specific things you want to know?
What's your view on the Trinity?
Well, in regards to the Trinity, of course, I've been accused for following
popish doctrine in regards to that.
But I didn't get it from the Pope, you know, as I call him.
We're not to call anyone father on earth.
And of course, Pope means father and all that.
But anyway, but I was reading the first year turning around and getting out of
Satan's candy shop, as I call it, you know, the broad way to destruction.
I was using the first year of reading the New Testament pretty much.
And at first I had contact with the Mormons.
And of course, they want to have you read the Book of Mormon instead of the Bible.
And then I had contact with the so-called Jehovah's Witnesses, which I call the
false witnesses.
But at that point on a Sabbath, I figured out that Jesus was God and I was
just like high in heaven in some sense.
And I had a meeting with these so-called Jehovah's Witnesses, not knowing that they
didn't believe that.
So, and I was like ecstatic when I came over.
I had a main guy and there was another guy with him.
And I came over to them.
I was like, hey, I found out that Jesus is God and all that.
And they were just looking at me like, you know, that they had seen a ghost or
something like that.
And then, of course, I found out that the so-called Jehovah's Witnesses are pretty
much trained to deny Jesus, you know, in regards to being Jehovah.
They see it as blasphemy to say that Jesus is Jehovah.
So, so I had contact with them sometime and found out that it really didn't,
you know, we didn't really get anywhere in regards to that.
Then, of course, I was in Israel two times and I found people as well proclaiming
themselves Christians.
Yet I got a lot of hatred from them.
I had a T-shirt on the second time where it said, you know, Jesus is Jehovah and
walking around with that in Jerusalem.
And really, you know, the most hatred I really got was seemingly from,
from proclaimed Christians.
I didn't really get, you know, Jews usually came up and asked me in
regards, you know, saying that we don't say the name of Jehovah in Israel or
anything like that.
And it's only for the high priest and so forth.
And then I would, you know, tell them, well, you know, rude, too far,
I think it is in regards of Boaz coming and using the name and then they say back,
you know, may Jehovah be with you or may Jehovah bless you.
You know, they, they use the name clearly, you know, and... So if you, if you were to
find out that Jesus Yeshua is not God, what would that do for you?
Would that affect your faith or would that help?
What would that be like for you?
Because obviously I don't want to, if I was to show you the truth,
I don't want you feeling that that's affecting your faith, but only enforcing
it, giving you understanding to it more.
Again, the last thing again.
So basically I don't want to destroy you having faith in obviously the Messiah.
But what I'm trying to say is if you found out that Jesus isn't Jehovah, what would
that do for you?
Because I don't want to be the one like that maybe puts an issue before you and
make you not believe because... Well, I don't think it's, it's, it's possible
to, to really go in the direction of Jesus not being God because it's just everywhere
in scripture.
So it's, it's, it's not, you know, well, we can, we can, we can disagree on
that, but I think it's pretty clear, you know, that he is.
And if you take, for example, but where, where does it say that Jesus is,
is God almighty, you know, of course, Jesus proclaimed himself the first and the
last, you know, who was dead and now is alive forevermore.
And of course the title of first and last, of course, is used by Jehovah himself.
And of course, you see Jesus all throughout scripture from the very
beginning.
Let's try and stick to like one point at a time.
So the first and last, you do realize that he says we can be the first and last as
well.
When the disciples were arguing among themselves, who's going to be the greatest
and Yeshua said, why do you argue for who's going to be first?
For you to be the first, you have to be the last.
Yeah, but that's not the same in regards of the first and the last.
You know, Jesus is the greatest, Jesus was the greatest servant and he's
the greatest King.
So it's exactly the same thing.
No, no, no.
But of course Jesus is, you know, he's always doing what the, the father's
will and all that, but that doesn't take away his divinity in regards of being
Jehovah.
If you, you know, a quotation, now that's not from the Bible,
but if you take, for example, the Jewish Josephus, I was reading something in
regards to when I was researching Gehenna and regards of the realm of the dead and
regards of Sheol and Hades and all that, and trying to figure out that there's two
entities and all that.
But in any case, one of the quotations from Josephus, he talks about,
you know, God and God, the word.
And that's usually a quotation that you don't hear from the scholars.
They usually, what do you call it?
Talk about those two in regards of where Josephus is seemingly quoting or talking,
not quoting, but talking about Jesus.
But usually scholars don't talk about the one that I found when I was reading.
I'll just, you know, for all men, the just as well as the unjust shall be
brought before God the word for to him had the father committed all judgment and he,
in order to fulfill the will of his father shall come as judge whom we call Christ.
And that's from Josephus, first century historian and Jew adopted as a Roman
citizen.
And that's one of the places again, where you see, you know, this plurality,
but singularity, you know, it's like the Mohammedans.
Mohammedans believe in an absolute singular God, but the Bible have a plural
singular God.
You have Elohim in Hebrew meaning, you know, it's plural.
And you have it from the very beginning.
Let's stick to that as well.
Like that as a topic.
Elohim, is it always a plural?
Well, it's when, when you, when you see it, it's sometimes translated as,
you know, in the English translation, sometimes it's translated as plural and
sometimes it's not.
But when you see it from the very, what?
So then it's not a plural.
Well, not just because they, they translate it, not plural.
It doesn't say it's not plural.
That's not my point.
For example, it's Moses plural persons.
Now you think in regards of Elohim being used for Moses.
Also Dagon, a pagan God, which is a singular.
It depends on the context.
Yeah.
It's sometimes used.
I don't know why it's not louder in regards of, of you when you're speaking,
but I can't make it louder in my ear apparently.
Is that better?
I've turned up my microphone.
A little, but it's, it's, it, I don't know if it's my equipment or something like
that, but you are not at least not that loud, but you know, okay.
But yeah.
But I, you know, as you know, you see it from the very beginning, as far as I can
see, you see, you know, when the, when, when the spirit of the gods are
hovering over the waters, you see it, you see it in regards of when the God
said, let us make man in our image and our likeness.
You see it as, see it as well.
You have the Elohim in context, depending on who was talking about as a
singular, it can be a plural.
For example, it can be a plural, but in regards to Yehovah, Yehovah is
found as an I, Ani, Anoki, Wa'ani.
I am Yehovah.
There is no other God, but me.
So contextually Yehovah is one, not three in one.
But it's, it's, it's the same thing with Yehovah, Elohenu, Yehovah is one.
You know, you know, Israel, Israel, Yehovah, Yehovah, our God, plural,
Yehovah is one.
Jesus is saying the same thing.
Me and my father are one and the Jews understood him and they wanted to stone
him.
We are one with him as well.
Yeah.
We're actually, we're going from death to life by being in the living God.
Just stick to the Deuteronomy 6.4 that you were saying there.
It doesn't say Gods.
It says Yehovah Elohim, Yehovah Echad, because Yehovah is one person.
So the context is one, not Gods.
Yehovah Elohenu, Elohenu, our God, plural, our God, plural.
And then it goes Yehovah Echad, being that they are one.
It's a plural singular God.
One second, one second.
Why does it say they are plural singular?
Because Echad is used in regards to the King of Jericho, Echad.
So is the King of Jericho, Echad.
So is the King of Jericho, three persons in one or the King of Jerusalem,
Echad, the King of Ai, Echad.
I can try and bring up that verse.
Yeah, but just if you go back to the very beginning in regards to when the Gods
created mankind, usually they translate it as God, but then you have three other
plural words, you know, in regards to... I'll pull this up on the screen.
I'll pull this up on the screen where Echad is used in due to the singular
Joshua 12 verse 9.
It says the King of Jericho, one.
The King of Ai, which is Neabethel, one.
The King of Jerusalem, one.
The King of Hebron, one.
Now if we go to the Strong's Concordance, that one is literally Echad.
So it's the King of Jericho, one, Echad.
So is this person three persons in one or plural persons in one?
No, but you know, you still have to take the context of things.
Exactly.
So when it says Jehovah, who speaks in a singular, Jehovah, Echad, it's literally
the same context to Jericho, the King of Jericho, Echad.
No, I think you're missing a lot of pieces here in regards to the Bible.
But again, if you take the first thing where Jehovah is creating us, we have
three plural terms that is usually accepted as translated as plural in the
Hebrew, right?
And then you have the last one that is translated singular, but it's actually
plural in the Hebrew.
So why don't, why do you have a singular where it's actually plural in the Hebrew,
and then you actually have the three plural terms afterwards?
And of course, we are made in the image of Jesus, of course, because he was there
from the beginning.
No, we're created in the new creation, the resurrection through Jesus.
But, and it also says that he is a man, but let's stick with the...
Yeah, you know, Jehovah is a man of war, you know, Jehovah is a man of war.
The only time, yeah, and yeah, not Adam, yeah, Ish, which is...
An Ish, a man, you know, because Jesus was the one that took the Egyptians out of
Israel.
I'm sorry, Egypt.
One second, it's metaphorical.
Jesus, Jesus was the angel in the, in the fire pillar.
Can you listen?
Because you have a lot, but you're not listening.
You brought up the four plurals in the Bible.
Now, can you show me one place in, let's stick to Genesis 1, 26.
Can you show me where it says that that pluralness is God, is a plural?
And it's a plural, it's Elohim, it's plural by standard.
No, it's not.
And you have, you have three other plural terms in the same sentence.
And so if you're going to translate the three others as plurals, why not the last
one?
I think that's a kind of dishonest by the translators.
You're not answering my question.
Firstly, there's four plurals in the Bible.
They're ambiguous.
For example...
Ambiguous, what do you mean by ambiguous?
Ambiguous means, say, for example, if I say in Genesis 1, 26, let us make man
in our image.
It doesn't say who the us is or the our.
Well, the us, of course, is in regards of Jehovah.
I'm giving you notes now.
It doesn't say who it is.
Show me where it says Jehovah.
That's God.
It says Elohim.
That's God that is creating us in our image.
Can I finish in a sentence without interrupting, please?
Yeah, but you're wrong.
No, you're wrong.
You're wrong.
Yes, you are.
I'm trying to say what I'm saying, but you're talking over because you don't
want to hear the truth.
But no, no, no, no.
But I don't think it's the truth.
Do you know the Bible says don't cast your pills before swine?
You're acting like that because you don't want to hear the truth.
I was listening to you.
You brought up many points and you spoke for a while.
And every time I'm trying to talk, it's almost like there's something in you
stopping you from wanting to learn.
The reason that it's ambiguous is because it says let us make man in our image after
our likeness.
But it goes right back to a singular because God is the singular.
He made man in his image after his likeness.
But in Genesis 2 verse 7, God is the one who forms us from the earth.
There's two parts, a body, a physical body, the forming of a body for man,
and the spirit of God, which is the breath.
There's two parts.
Now, you've got to show anywhere.
You've got to show that, yeah, the body, soul and spirit.
You know, body, soul and spirit.
No, no.
It doesn't say a body, soul and spirit.
It's the spirit in regards to the breath of life.
And then you have the soul in regards to the program cone.
And then you have the body as the interface, pretty much.
No, you've got the body that is formed from the dust.
Yep.
And you've got the breath of life, which makes that person a living soul.
Yeah, so it's not three parts.
It's two parts that make up one.
But, you know, when you die in regards of your body decomposes and all that,
the soul is still there.
The program code is still there awaiting the resurrection.
And of course, the spirit, the breath of life goes out for a while.
And then we're awaiting the, you know, resurrection to either everlasting life or
eternal death.
Yeah, but it's still two parts.
It's the body and the spirit.
No, it's the body and the spirit.
I mean, John, pull this up since you're ignoring everything I'm saying.
No, I'm just...
No, I'm going to show you.
I'm going to show you scripturally that you're ignoring because it doesn't say
that.
It says the body and the breath, or the spirit, sorry, the soul.
Yeah, but I'm just taking it in the Bible, in regards of just quoting...
One second.
Jehovah God formed man from the dust of the ground.
There's the body.
Yes.
And breathed the breath into...
So it became a living being, a living soul.
You know, you have the program coming alive.
Excuse me.
Why is it Trinitowns have absolutely no respect for when people are reading the
Scripture and you're just talking over the Scripture now?
I guess it's just because I've heard these things so many times.
You know, it's just...
What am I going to say?
If you've heard what I'm going to say so many times...
Yeah, the argument.
And by the way, God...
Sorry, excuse me.
Stop going off topic, please.
I've asked you a question.
Tell me what I am going to say since you've heard it so many times.
I don't know what you're going to say, but...
So you've heard my argument so many times, but you don't know what I'm going to say.
Yeah, but I don't know what you will pick forward for it, you know?
Excuse me, excuse me.
Have some respect.
Let's take this calmly.
You're saying you've heard my argument many times, but you've literally not said
what I'm going to say.
If you've heard what I'm going to say, then you should be able to say the
argument that I'm going to say.
But you're just taking one quote instead of taking the whole Bible as a whole.
And you can take quotations here and there just to form your own opinion.
No, I haven't even finished what I'm saying.
So you don't know what I'm going to say.
The Satanists are doing that all the time, you know?
They use the Bible.
You don't know what I'm going to say because you're being rude and cutting me
off to even hear anything because you've got a spirit in you.
That's not wanting you to learn the truth.
By the way, the word God here, translated God, is probably the plural
Elohim, right?
No, it's not.
Are you sure?
Elohim is a uniplural.
It can be a singular and plural.
But the translation where they translated as God here is still the word Elohim,
right?
No, it's not a plural.
But it's still the Hebrew, right?
Elohim.
I'm going to... since you're not listening to me, I'm going to bring out the big guns
and prove that Jesus is not God outright.
But He is God.
You can't prove it because Jesus is God.
You just need to listen to Jesus.
I'm going to show you what Jesus has said Himself.
You can go to John 14, 15, 16 and 17, where He explains it all.
That's the most concentrated place in the Bible.
You are very rude, my friend.
Are you going to listen to my point?
Are you going to hear?
You've not heard what I said in regards to Genesis 2.
Because you don't want to prove that Jesus is not God, but He is God.
There's no way of going around it.
If you have any stance of morals to listen to someone speaking and not talk over,
because it shows that your belief is crumbling.
You literally got people watching and your belief is crumbling.
No, it's not crumbling because Jesus is God.
You're not going to change it.
If you believe that, excuse me.
I will mute you if you're going to continue to talk over.
Stop.
If your faith is so steady, unable to be moved, then you should be able to listen
to a point without interrupting every two seconds.
Okay, so we're going to look at Acts 2, verse 22.
Because it clearly shows that this is that the disabled are writing it down.
Men of Israel, listen to these words.
Jesus, the Nazarene, a man, not God, a man, attested to you by God.
So he's attested to you by God.
Yes, by the Father.
The Son attested by the Father, of course.
By the Father, yeah.
You're interrupting again on the scripture.
With the miracles and wonders which God did.
Not Jesus did.
God did through him.
As God performed through him in your midst.
God did the miracles, wonders, and signs through the man, Jesus Christ.
Yeah, so he's not God.
God is God.
Of course, he's God.
He's got the word.
He's Jehovah, the word that was sent by Jehovah from the heavens.
And he died for the sins of the world on the tree.
You're avoiding the same point, Acts 2.
No, no, no, you're just taking it out of, you know, you need to take the whole Bible
in context.
And you can just go to John 14, 15, 16, and 17.
That's the most concentrated place.
Yep.
John 14, 15, 16, and 17.
That's the most concentrated place where our master speaks himself.
14, 14, 14.
No, you said 14, 15, 16, and 17.
It's chapter 14, 15, 16, and 17.
I'm going to show you another point inside.
Why are you going to John 14 if we start with 14?
No, I'm not going to the chapters I'm proving to you where Jesus himself says
that he's not God.
But you're going to 17 instead of 14.
What's the matter?
You're picking and choosing.
I will go to different ones.
You've got no respect at all.
I'm going to where I want to go.
You can make your point.
But since you're ignoring everything, I'm sure that Jesus is a man.
Of course, he's a man, but he's the God man.
He's the word that was made flesh and walked among his own.
That's the thing.
Jehovah sent Jehovah into the world.
The word became flesh.
The word that everything was created through.
Jesus is not created.
He's the creator.
Everything was created through the word.
You're not taking the Bible in context.
You can pick and choose whatever, but it doesn't change that Jesus is God
Almighty Jehovah.
You've got five sentences.
Stop talking and have some respect or you're going to get muted.
Because you're just screaming and shouting over me.
I'm just telling you the truth.
No, you're not.
And if we look at it in regards to Michael Rood, I don't understand why you people
are tagging him on that doctrine, because he's believing the same thing as I
am.
You notice how he's going off on a thing.
No, he doesn't.
Yes, he does.
I've seen a video where he says we believe only the Father is God.
I've listened to him.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
But of course he's saying the Son is not the Father because the Son is not the
Father.
The Father is in the Son and the Son is in the Father.
Okay, since you keep on interrupting me.
Notice how he's literally cut me off and keeps on talking about Michael Rood.
Okay, I've literally seen a video where Michael Rood said the Father is God alone.
And now he's changing things and he's moving the goalposts.
This is Trinitarianism 101 for you.
Now, I'm going to read the scripture which you said go to John 14, 15, or 16,
or 17.
And I'm at John 17.
This is where Jesus himself spoke.
So maybe you'll have some respect and hear what Jesus said.
John 17, verse 1 to 3.
Jesus spoke these things and raised his eyes to heaven.
He said, Father, the hour has come.
Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you.
Just as you have given him authority over all mankind.
So that to all whom you have given him, he, talking about Jesus, may give eternal
life.
And this is eternal life.
So what is eternal life?
That they may know you are alone, or only, the true God.
So you, the Father, are alone, the true God.
And Jesus is your Messiah, which you have sent.
So, Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
Jesus Christ.
Jesus, the Messiah.
Christ means anointed one.
Yes.
That they know you alone are the true God.
And Jesus is the Christ who you have sent.
Who is the only true God?
In Greek, it is monos, or monon, alone, definition.
What, do I have the speaker again?
Yeah, go on.
Oh, I'm here.
Okay.
Again, can you, can you just, again, give me it again?
So this verse, these passages here, clearly say that the Father is alone,
the true God.
Now, you're missing, and Jesus Christ.
I haven't finished.
You are the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
Just ask me a question, what I was stating.
I re-read it, and you cut me off before I got to see it.
And Jesus Christ, which means Jesus, the Messiah, who was sent by this alone
true God.
Yes, Jesus was sent by his Father.
But the Son himself, the word that was made flesh in the Virgin, is himself God
Almighty.
He is not.
Yes, he is.
You have, if when you read John 14, 15, by the way, I put a link from a model
I made when I tried to figure it out, and I didn't get it from the poop,
okay?
I did it from, you know, listening to Jesus and writing it up to try to get,
you know, we're passing from death to life by being in the living God.
And they are in us by the Holy Spirit, because we are baptized by the Spirit.
You know, Jesus didn't come to baptize with water.
He came to baptize with the Spirit.
But anyway, that's the model that I made.
It's not, it's a little rough, but it's...
If you look down there, the comment, by the way, Michael Rood doesn't teach
that Jesus is God, so you're a liar.
Now, he says that, Chris says that, but I've heard Michael Rood say,
you know, I can understand what Michael Rood says, and you're taking it out of
context.
You don't understand the plurality and singularity of God.
That's a problem.
Michael Rood is, I think it's pretty much, I think we could call him up.
Let's call Michael Rood up.
If you have a number, let's call him up.
I would really like to have him verify that I think we are in a total agreement.
You do realize that he's ill.
Yeah, I know, I know.
But that doesn't take away that, and actually it's very terrible if he
actually believes the same as I do, and then teach that he actually doesn't
teach that.
So that's terrible.
So you say Jesus is God, is he equal to the Father?
Now, you know, the Father's authority is higher than the Son.
The Son always does what the Father wills.
So there's only one God of Gods, and that's the Father.
Well, he's got the Son.
No, no, no, no.
Where does it say God the Son in the Bible?
I'll let you speak for five minutes.
Show me one singular scripture, and everyone can hear this.
Where in the Bible does it say God the Son?
God the Son?
Yeah, where in the whole Bible, where does it say God the Son?
In regards of him being God's Son?
No, the word God the Son.
You've just said that it says in the Bible that he's called God the Son.
The word becomes flesh, right?
So the word, because the Holy Spirit makes Mary pregnant, and thereby Mary,
you know, the word becomes flesh in Mary.
And the word is the word of God is the word of Jehovah that becomes flesh in Mary
and is born and is walking amongst his own.
He is literally God Almighty, and he's the one that took out the Israelites from
Egypt and was leading them onto the Holy Lands in regards of the chosen land.
So you see Jesus, you know, Jesus is the one writing the Ten Commandments with his
finger in stone.
You know, he's talking to Abraham before he goes to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah,
where he stands on the ground, letting it rain fire and brimstone from
Jehovah in the heavens down on the cities.
You have two Jehovah in that place, and you have Jacob as well.
Because you brought up a point there, and it'll be pointless saying about five,
10 different points, because we won't be able to...
You just have to take it all in context.
So you said in regards to the Jehovah raining fire and brimstone on Sodom and
Gomorrah...
There you have one Jehovah letting it rain fire and brimstone from Jehovah in the
heavens down on the cities.
So one second, everyone heard him just there.
It says that one Jehovah is up in heaven, and he's raining from Jehovah down onto a
not a Jehovah...
No, no, no, no, Jehovah is on the ground, letting it rain fire and brimstone from
Jehovah in the heavens down on the cities.
Abraham is speaking to the judge of the world, which is a man, which of course is
Jesus.
Abraham was talking to Jesus before he left for Sodom and Gomorrah.
I'm going to bring up the verse and I'm just trying to find where it is.
Genesis 19 verse 24.
Just one second.
Genesis...
I'm just trying to pull this up because it doesn't say anything that you've just
said.
Who is Abraham talking to when he stands before the judge of the world?
Who is he talking to?
Well, who's the judge of the world?
Jesus, of course, is the judge of the world.
So who is Abraham talking to?
Which question do you want me to answer?
Well, you can answer both.
It will lead you to that Jesus is God.
Can I answer without interruption?
So the first one is who is Adam talking to?
It's a malak of Jehovah, which is a messenger.
And what is a malak?
Yeah, a messenger.
Is Jesus a messenger?
Is the word a messenger?
Absolutely.
Can the malak be God himself?
How many questions will you ask?
You can laugh as much as you want.
Because you're asking 15 questions, hoping to confuse the matter.
How many questions do you want to ask?
Because you've asked that one.
Well, you know, go to...
Excuse me, excuse me, excuse me.
Have some discipline and let's have a proper conversation, right?
I might not be that good at that.
So one, it is a malak, which is a messenger.
Malak, a messenger, an angel.
Excuse me, let me finish my sentence.
I'm just agreeing with you.
No, I'm finishing the sentence.
It's called rude behavior, what you're doing.
I just agree.
You shouldn't have Trinitarians act.
I get this a lot.
But anyway, so the second one was...
What was the second question?
Since you keep on talking, trying to confuse things, Satan.
Well, we're going to...
You were going to Abraham, wasn't you?
You're going to Abraham in regards to talking to the judge of the world,
right?
Or do we want to take it...
Where does it say that?
Again, you're adding a lot of things that aren't in the Bible.
That he talked to the judge of the world.
No, it doesn't.
Judge of the world?
No, no, no, no.
Go and look.
Why don't you just go and look?
He's talking to the judge of the world.
Stop shouting over me and have some decorum.
Yeah, we're having a conversation.
You're shooting your fruits.
Yeah, but why don't you just go to the place and check it out?
He's talking to the judge of the world.
You have stated something and I'm replying.
If Abraham...
You're having a conversation, my friend.
If you keep on talking, you're going to be muted.
So we can do this back and forth, a proper conversation, or you can end up
getting muted.
I'll say what I need to say and then I'll unmute you.
I have just one question.
If Abraham is talking to the judge of the world, who would that be?
He's not talking to the judge of the world.
He's talking to an angel, a malak, of him.
And that malak is the judge of the world.
And who would that be?
The malak is sent by Yehovah, because he's of Yehovah.
Yes, he is sent.
Exactly.
So I've had to mute him because he's keep on talking.
All he's doing is showing the fruits of Trinitarianism.
You can talk once I've finished what I'm saying.
So firstly, we'll bring up this passage which shows...
It doesn't say what he's just said and he's added to the Bible.
And it is Genesis.
So let me just pull up this...
Actually, let me pull up the actual verse.
Genesis 19, I think it is.
Genesis 19, 24.
Let's see if it says what he's just said.
And he said that one Yehovah in heaven is raining fire down to another Yehovah on
earth.
So where does it say this?
Yehovah is on earth.
Torah, Genesis, and it's 19.
Let me just make sure.
And it's verse 24.
All right, I'm going to unmute him in a second.
Hopefully he doesn't disrespect him.
The Bible is...
I'm going to read this.
So I'm going to read this.
I thought you were going to take it to him.
Yehovah rained upon Sodom and Gomorrah sulfurous fire from Yehovah out of heaven.
Where does it say that one Yehovah is on earth?
Yehovah rained upon Sodom and Gomorrah sulfurous fire from Yehovah out of the
heaven.
You have one on the earth.
You have one in the heavens.
You have the plural singular just right there.
No, you don't.
Yes, you have.
So if I say Taylor Stewart poured water out onto the patio or the path outside
from Taylor in his bedroom.
They've got two Taylors, have you?
I didn't get the point here.
Let me say it again.
So it's understandable for you.
If I, Taylor, Taylor Stewart, the person is pouring water outside from Taylor in
his room.
Is the two Taylors there?
I still don't get it.
Well, that's the problem, isn't it?
I guess it is.
But try to go to Abraham.
I actually thought you would go to Abraham, you know, in regards to talking
because he's you know, you have to, you have to understand that one of them is
a man.
You can't just focus on one place and just take one scripture and then just take
everything out.
You have to take it in context.
You have to read the book from the beginning to end.
You brought this up.
You brought this verse up.
Yeah.
I didn't bring this up.
You were going, this proves that there's plural people.
Yeah.
Two Jehovah's.
And I said, no, it doesn't.
Let's go on to this.
Then you move the bull post on Abraham after you mentioned this.
So stop trying to run and answer the question now.
No, no, no, this, this is one, you know, unmute.
Oh, I am unmuted.
Can I speak now?
Answer the question first.
Can I?
Okay.
I can speak now.
I don't know if I'm muted or not muted, but you clearly have Jehovah, you know,
you know, standing on the ground, raining sulfur and brimstone from Jehovah
out of the heavens.
If you don't want to answer the question that I raised, you're going to get muted
again.
And I will pause the question.
No, you're trying to lead in the direction you want.
I asked you a question and you're avoiding because it demolishes your argument.
But you're just taking away the truth.
You know, it's just right there.
Abraham was talking to Jesus before he went to Sodom and Gomorrah.
Look at it.
So, nowhere does it say that Abraham was talking to Jesus.
And I've had to mute him again because he's continuously talking over and not
answering the question.
This is what Trinitarians do.
They'll go off into something else when you're literally asking them a point in
regards to a content, yeah, that they brought up.
He brought up this, which apparently is Jehovah on earth raining fire from another
Jehovah where it's not that.
So, my question is related to a content that he brought up, the contents that he
brought up.
So, if you go keep on talking...
Oh, I thought I was muted.
You are muted.
But if you keep on talking over, you're going to get muted.
Stop talking and we can have a proper conversation and we don't have to keep on
having you being muted.
And that's the problem.
Stop talking and keep on getting muted.
If you're going to keep on talking and have no respect, showing your fruits of
your certain lies that came from 325 AD by the Antichrist, you're going to be muted.
I've asked you a question.
If you avoid, then I'm going to have to kick you because you've got nothing.
Yeah?
Excuse me, I'm going to mute him until like in three minutes time.
I'll unmute him.
If he is going to answer the question, then he can answer the question.
But all he's doing is just rambling off the topic, which he brought up.
He brought up that there's two gods, two Jehovah's and one...
Well, there you go.
Two gods.
Yeah?
He's got two gods, even though there's one God of all gods and Jesus has a God.
So if Teala rained water out of a bucket on his mother in the garden, from where he
is in his bedroom, is there two Tealas?
No.
Let's see if he answers the question.
No, there's no two Tealas if that's what that, you know, you have to take it all in
context.
And I think it's pretty clear.
And I think you actually got it right.
There's a man, Jehovah, standing on the earth.
That's Jesus, the son who is letting it rain from fire and brimstone from the
heavens.
You absolutely got it correct on that.
I think it's very nice.
I didn't say that.
Now, you didn't say that you believe that, but I think you absolutely get that.
That's absolutely what I think it says.
So you're putting words in my mouth?
No, no, no, no, no.
I'm not saying you believe that, but that was what you said about...
No, I didn't.
Again, do you want to listen to what I say?
Take it on.
You are explaining what I believe, right?
No, I'm not.
I am trying to speak, but you literally have a demon in you because you're talking
about if you really loved God, you would have a proper conversation.
But you're continuously talking and not hearing.
I'm going to give you one more chance.
Otherwise, I'm going to kick you because it feels like you're a swine.
I don't want to have that.
I want to have a proper conversation.
But you're acting like a swine, just continuously talking.
So if I, me, myself, Tila, I'm the person, I'm not saying where I am, pour out water
out of my bedroom where I am.
I pour out water onto someone in the garden from me in the bedroom.
Where am I?
Yeah, but you know, it's not going to work.
It's not going to work.
Yours, answer the question.
No, it doesn't work.
It doesn't work.
You have a whole nother context here.
You have two working together.
It's the same when Jehovah speaks about Jehovah sending him, you know,
it's Jehovah speaking and he's speaking about Jehovah will send him.
The topic, I'm going to give you this chance to answer or you can get kicked.
If you go to Abraham, Abraham was talking to Jesus, the judge of the world.
You have to take it in context.
You can't just take one quotation.
You have to take it in context.
Yeah.
So there's the fruits of the satanic Trinitarianism that can't answer
questions.
And all it does is scream, shout, and don't stick to questions.
This guy consistently ignored points.
I had to mute him because he wouldn't answer the questions.
So there you go.
If there's any other Trinitarian that has some respect where I wouldn't have a
proper conversation, like we we've had a conversation with Tyler.
Tyler wouldn't have a proper conversation.
Tyler can jump in, PM me and Master if you want to jump in, if this will be respect.
Wouldn't both of them have this conversation.
But the moment someone literally keeps on talking over me...
Look, this is the Trinitarians.
Look, I'm so indefinitely rude and angry, hell, that I have to raise my voice so
people can hear because I'm asking this Trinitarian a clear-cut question that he
brought up as a point to prove the Trinity.
The moment I give him a way of speaking, Yehovah reigned.
So the person reigned fire and sulfur.
It doesn't say Yehovah on earth.
It says Yehovah reigned fire and sulfur until Sodom.
So Yehovah the person reigned, which is a downward issue.
It's a downward topic here.
Reigning means it comes down.
Yehovah reigned an action onto a place that is on earth, Sodom and Gomorrah,
from him in heaven.
That's what it's literally said.
And I try to give that the context to this guy.
He didn't listen because he's got nothing.
You can tell the spirit in him, I'm not going to waste my time on someone
that won't answer blatant questions.
Plus, we see later on, if I'm not mistaken, actually, I think it might be
earlier on where it says the angels, the malak, say Yehovah sent us.
Not that they are Yehovah, the Yehovah sent us to do this.
Hello, how are you doing?
I am well.
So that guy was, I only hopped on like the last few minutes.
So he was a Trinitarian?
Yeah.
He's a Trinitarian with a twist.
I don't know what that meant.
Oh, okay.
I think he believed in the Torah, the laws and stuff, but he believed in the
Trinity.
I think that might have been the twist he was talking about.
Oh, okay.
I've met some people like that.
Yeah.
He asked them, he said, see, we're talking about John 17.
He said, I went to John, was it later on or something?
And he said, go to John 14, 16, 17, and this, because you're doing it out
of context.
So I went, okay.
I went to John 17.
Then after that, he moved the goalposts, went, no, read from 14, 15, 16,
17, like then that way.
And then he moved it from that to the two Yehovah's, one William down.
So I went here because he wasn't listening.
I tried to answer Genesis 2, 7, 1, 26, and why it's ambiguous.
So it doesn't say us or God, it just says us.
And he said, what do you mean?
And because he wasn't listening to that, let me speak.
I went, okay.
I'll move on to a different topic, just straight to it.
And then he mentioned this.
So I went, okay, let's stick to one point at a time.
So it doesn't get confusing.
We'll go to this.
Then he went on to Abraham.
As soon as I brought this up, the angels, which sort of is contextual, pardon me,
but it doesn't say that Yehovah or the people, this is the people were angels.
So he wanted to go off into that when we went here and it just got to the point
where I had to block him.
So, yeah.
I get you.
Well, I mean, I do think he made a good point though.
Like it kind of seems redundant for the verse to say the Lord rained down stuff
from the Lord.
It seems very redundant if it's just, you know, one person.
Not necessarily.
So for example, if I'm saying Yehovah the person, so this will break it down.
Yehovah the person did an action of raining down fire and brimstone and item
onto a place.
Sodom and Gomorrah from where Yehovah is.
It's not redundant.
It's saying Yehovah did this onto here from him in heaven.
It's not redundant.
It's saying Teala did a prank of water onto his mother in the garden from his
bedroom, him in his bedroom.
Well, I mean, no, that's not really the same thing because, you know, in that case
you're just referring to yourself once, like you're using your name once and then
you're using a personal pronoun.
In this case, it's the Lord, you know, raining down fire from the Lord.
That would be like me saying like, uh, Tyler, uh, throws a baseball from
Tyler.
It's kind of weird.
Teala pours that water onto his mother in the garden from Teala in his bedroom.
Yeah.
I mean, and it's where I am.
Well, I mean, technically, technically, I mean, there's not grammatically
incorrect.
It's just a kind of, like I said, redundant, isn't it?
But it's written in Hebrew.
It's not written in like English.
That's the way they would have spoke.
So that's how it's written.
It doesn't say Yehovah on earth rained fire and brimstone onto a place on earth
from Yehovah who's in heaven because God's omnipotence, omniscient.
I got mixed up with the ones.
It doesn't need to be on earth.
He's everywhere.
So God can simply do it.
Okay.
But you know, 99% of the time it just says, I mean, it doesn't say that like 99%
of the time.
It doesn't say, you know, it doesn't use God's name twice in that manner.
Like, oh, God did this from God.
It usually doesn't say that.
Yeah, probably usually doesn't say it, but it doesn't mean that it can't say it
though.
Well, I mean, of course it, yeah.
I mean, of course it can because it does sometimes, but it's unusual is the point,
right?
Yeah.
But it doesn't mean that you can't say it.
It says it in the Bible, so it exists.
And it doesn't say that, that there was God on heaven.
If you, uh, God on earth.
In fact, if you see it says God showed up and then you see three men, God isn't a
man that he would lie or God isn't a man.
I am Jehovah, not man.
So we see that he appears by his malach.
You see two of them that go down to, um, what, uh, lot and they are called
malach.
Messengers are not the person being sent, um, that sends them.
If I send a with a letter to you, it's not me.
It's just a messenger of me.
That's given you a lot.
So we see that there was people turn out to be the men, which are black.
Well, you see the, the problem is, uh, I could be wrong, but I don't think
that this kind of language is used in regards to anyone else in the Bible.
I don't think it ever says like, for example, David, uh, threw a stone from
David, right?
Right.
It only uses this kind of language for God.
But just because it doesn't say that doesn't mean that it means it's two
persons.
It would have to prove that one of the Jehovah's is, um, another person and a
place in a certain place, wherever he is.
But it doesn't say that.
It says one person Jehovah is doing this event onto it, onto a place from where he
is.
It doesn't mention of them two people.
Well, I mean, it's not really a place.
It's the Lord.
And then the Lord, the Lord is not a place.
No, heaven is.
Jehovah reigned the thing from where he is in heaven.
Yeah.
But it also says, I mean, specifically it says the Lord reigned down fire,
brimstone, whatever, from the Lord.
Yeah.
From Jehovah in heaven.
Yes.
It's just very unusual.
It says Jehovah reigned.
Um, hello, David, long time no see.
Um, so we'll see here.
Jehovah reigned upon Sodom and Gomorrah, sulfurous fire from Jehovah out of heaven.
So he is the person that did it out from where he is.
Now I can try and make this, um, bigger so you can see.
Well,
I mean, it, I mean, it specifically says like he, he wasn't just raining it down
from where he is.
He rained it down from himself, which like I said, it's kind of weird
language.
Yeah.
But it's written in Hebrew.
So obviously it's not written in English.
That's just the way that's written saying, if I said, if I said, which, which we are,
you want to see the, which that's going to cast a spell people in Germany,
you'd be like, why is he keep on saying which, which when there's a similarity to
it?
You know what I mean?
It'll sound different to them.
So our language and, um, like through into through similar like words.
Um, there's certain things in English language that wouldn't make sense if it
was so much translated to another language.
So obviously there's going to be a little bit of an oddity in the way that this has
been written up.
Well, see the thing is though, like this type of language is not used in
any of the other books of the old Testament, which are written in Hebrew in
regards to, you know, other people, it's not used for other people,
even though it's all written in Hebrew.
How are y'all doing?
Can you, what's up?
Can y'all hear me?
Yeah.
You want to see someone there?
David?
Hello?
David?
I think you may be fixed.
I'm not sure if you can hear.
I don't think so.
You might have the audio.
Turn it off.
One second, I'll try and pull this to the face.
David!
Do you hear?
Oh, I don't.
I will.
Right, so what were you saying there?
No, I finished what I was saying.
I was just saying that, like, you know, like, this type of language is not used
for any human being in the Bible.
Right, but it doesn't mean that... it doesn't stand though.
It's there in the Bible.
Well, of course, because God is multiple persons.
No, where does it say there's multiple persons in this sentence?
You didn't even go before it.
Where does it say Jehovah is on earth?
It's taught in a totally different context.
As the sun rose up on the earth and locked in at Zohar, and then it goes Jehovah
dreamed.
So as he went to this place, Jehovah is a monarchy.
It doesn't say anything about Jehovah being on earth or in a place and it's one
Jehovah from another Jehovah.
It doesn't even say Jehovah's plural.
It's just one person.
But you see, the thing is, this type of language is used in multiple verses in
regards to God and never to anyone else.
Like in Exodus, it says something like... let me see...
Oh yeah, I have it right here.
Yeah, it says that... so the Lord said to Moses, come up to the Lord.
He didn't say come up to me.
Yeah, because he's putting his name out so people know who he is.
Yeah, but the problem is that that is specifically like that's the angel of the
Lord in that verse.
Like the context is he sent the angel of the Lord and then he referred to the angel
of the Lord as the Lord.
Hey, what's up David?
Can you hear us now?
Yes, can y'all hear me?
I have my earpiece connected to my phone in the other room.
It was coming out of there, so I was looking at y'all talking and I'm like,
something ain't right.
No worries, no worries.
I just been taking a break from just chatting and going at it with everybody,
but I'm back.
That's good, that's good.
Maybe I can convince you.
This linguistic thing though, just because it's not in other places doesn't mean that
it doesn't mean what it's saying.
That would be on the Trinitarians to prove that there was another Jehovah somewhere
else.
Taylor, could you pull up on your screen 1 Kings 8 verse 1?
Because this language is used of someone else other than God, where it says Solomon
assembled the elders of Israel and all the heads of the tribes.
The chief of the fathers of the children of Israel unto King Solomon.
So Solomon gathers the Israelites to Solomon, but yet there's only one Solomon.
Yes, so verse 1 and 2.
So then Solomon assembled the leaders of Israel and all the heads of the tribes and
the leaders of the fathers household of Israel to King Solomon.
So again, is Solomon here?
No.
So that would debunk the two Jehovahs.
Solomon did this with the Israel leaders, the head of tribes, then the fathers of
the households of Israel to Solomon in Jerusalem.
So Solomon did a decree of bringing people to Solomon in this place.
Just like Jehovah did an issue from where he is.
That makes perfect sense.
I didn't even know the same verse.
I was wondering.
I was like, surely Taylor's got to know this.
I was like, why is he not bringing it up?
I've honestly not seen this.
I think in the back of my head, I've probably heard it once.
I don't know the Bible off by heart, so it's one that's...
And it's not even just once as well.
It continues to bring up to the Ark of the Covenant to the Lord, the city of David in
Zion, so that all of the men will be assembling to them before King Solomon.
So Solomon's doing this and bringing people to Solomon.
And then before King Solomon, say, quite a few times as well.
That's perfect.
I'm going to have to add that to my notes.
Where's my notebook?
And also, I think where some of the confusion comes in is that how they talk,
how they talk in Hebrew sometimes is why we don't talk in that way.
Like, for example, Jesus and God and other people refer to themselves in the third
person, but that doesn't mean that there's another person.
So like when Jesus says, when the son of man returns, will he find faith in the
earth?
Well, obviously there's only one son of man.
So it's just, I think that there's a word for that.
It's called Iliasm, which is where you refer to yourself in third person.
And even Lamech in Genesis 4...
Can I just take a second?
I just want to tell anyone that's watching on TikTok, because they probably don't
know what's going on here.
TikTok, I'm on YouTube, on Stand, on Scripture.
If you want to hear the conversation, go over there and watch it.
You'll just look at the live stream and you'll be able to hear this.
That's why I'm not reading things.
I'm just talking.
Sorry, go on.
And as Genesis 4, 23, it says, Lamech said to his wives, Adah and Zillah,
hear my voice, ye wives of Lamech.
Yeah, I've heard that one.
I've heard that one, but it didn't come to mind.
It's not that there's another person, it's just this is the way that they would
talk.
Yeah, Lamech said to his wives.
You'll see God talk in third person as if he's somebody else, but so does Jesus and
so does Lamech here as well.
I've heard this one before, but it just never came to mind.
I've only heard it so many times that it's not stuck where you're speaking in third
person.
But there's another one.
Tyler, do you want to add anything to that?
I'm really uncomfortable.
I do have a question for David.
So, David, do you believe Jesus is the exact image of the Father?
I think he is.
He is like the complete embodiment, I guess you would say.
Maybe like a perfect representation of the Father's character, that his character and
everything is a perfect representation of God.
Oh, good, good.
So you agree that Jesus is as good as God is?
Well, he acts just like him.
So if God is righteous and Jesus acts like God or is like God, then Jesus is
righteous.
So he would be like God in that way.
I absolutely agree.
I would like to see a David as well.
Shabbat shalom.
It's a feast of trumpets today.
I'm not sure if you knew that.
Are you celebrating it today?
Of course I am.
They've seen the first slither of the moon in Israel.
Shabbat shalom.
I thought that was yesterday anyways.
It starts on the first slither of the moon.
That was last night.
Last night was the first slither, so this is the first day.
Oh, OK, so it's multiple days.
OK, gotcha.
No, just one day.
Day starts at sunset.
So sunset, what would be yesterday for you, like last night, is the actual start
of Thursday.
So when the sun went down last night, that is the start of today.
Oh, OK, I gotcha.
I gotcha.
Well, good to know.
So what's your view on this, Tyler, the points that he's raising, the way,
the form of speaking.
Lamech is speaking of himself in that third person singular, kind of talking of
himself.
And in the verse that we're seeing before about Solomon, again, we see that exact
same situation.
Yeah, I suppose you do have a point there.
Chris Cox says, why do you call me good?
No one is good but them, God.
So he's not good in a sense like God is, because God's the only one that can do
everything.
Jesus can't.
He needs God to do it.
But David just said that Jesus is as good as God is, and he's a perfect
representation of God's character.
So that's a problem.
I think what was what's happening is when when that man comes to Jesus and says,
you know, good master, he's flattering.
He's trying to flatter Jesus.
And how I try to look at certain statements, like when you have like
absolute statements like nobody else but or no or like, OK, so there's no other
savior.
There's no other God.
Nobody's good.
But then you read about other gods, you read about other saviors, you read
about people that are good.
So when Jesus says there's nobody good but God, he's saying like in an inherent
sense, like in terms of like the worthiness of like honor and just like
flattery like that.
It's like saying don't you only have one father.
Don't call any man father, but God you have because you have one father.
But yet Jesus and the apostles would call refer to Abraham as their fathers.
Paul would refer to other people as fathers.
Paul even said through the gospel, I have become your father.
But yet Jesus said, don't call anybody your father.
Is it in an absolute you can never say that sense?
No, there's a specific way of what that means to say there's nobody good,
but God, because there's two people in the New Testament that are said that are good.
I want to answer this as well.
I've actually been what seems to be blocked or banned by them.
Last week when I was on this, I called into it and I was just talking about the
law of God.
These are Unitarians to anyone that's new on the channel that don't like God's
Torah.
And they've basically blacklisted me from their channel because they talked about
it.
So I came into the conversation.
It was like an hour after and they were like, I don't want to have him on anymore
because he's speaking about law.
He makes it about the law.
I never actually talked about the law.
It was them talking about it.
Then I came into the conversation as well.
So, yeah, I won't be on it because they don't want me on it.
I'm not sure if you're going on the Heretic Friday.
I don't know.
I don't know where I'll be.
If I'll be able to get on.
Would you pull up, Taylor, Acts 11, 22 through 24?
So we can look at this in comparison to how when Jesus said, why do you call me
good?
There's nobody good but God.
But yet there right here, it clearly says Barnabas was a good man.
And obviously we think that Jesus was good.
But there's a.
I think there's a hard issue and a focus issue.
Because people in those days were really into flattering the teachers and.
Maybe, maybe it's the same why you're calling me God.
Because if this person is a good man and they're saying he's a good man.
Maybe it's the same why you call me good in the sense of God.
Maybe there's a certain word that only was related to Jehovah.
It's possible if it was in Hebrews anyway.
And there's the steps of a good man show is like Psalms 112, 5.
A good man shows favor and lends.
He will guide his affairs with discretion.
A good man leaves an inheritance to his children's children.
And the wealth of the center is laid up for the righteous.
A good man.
And Jesus even said a good man out of the good treasure of the heart brings forth
good things.
And an evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth evil things.
Luke 23, 50.
Behold, there was a man named Joseph, a counselor, and he was a good man and
righteous.
You see, there's a problem, though, with your logic is because, you know,
in these cases, for example, you know, in these cases, of course, there's many
men who are called good, but they're only good in the comparative sense.
Like, they're not absolutely good.
They're not as good as God is.
You know, there are other people who are called fathers, but, you know,
they're not a father in the same way that God is our father.
The thing is, though, you said earlier that Jesus is as good as God is.
So, he's good in the same way.
Because it's in the Bible that he's as good as God.
Well, okay, is he not as good as God?
Is he worse than God?
Well, that's your view to make him worse.
He's good, but he himself says, why do you call me good?
There's only one that is good, and that's God.
He was showing that you can be good in humans' sake, but in God's sake,
everyone's laying dirty rags and stuff.
Including Jesus?
Well, nobody says, why do you call me good?
Because he's not good, is he?
He's not able to do all the things that God can do.
He's not perfectly good.
He's not perfect?
He's not perfectly good.
Listen to what I'm saying, Tyler.
Well, I mean, yeah, he's not perfect like God.
I mean, that's what you just said, but that's not what the Bible says.
Well, okay, can Jesus without God, ma'am, do miracles, wonders, and signs?
Jesus cannot do anything without God, because he cannot be separated from God.
So he's not God, because he can't do it without God.
He cannot be separated from the Father.
He and the Father are one.
So how could he do things without the Father?
So are we.
Not in the same way.
Yeah, and I'll put up, you are one, as we are one.
But okay, but you know, the two verses before that, it talks about how no one
will pluck them out of his hand.
Yeah, so God gave us to Jesus.
God gave us to Jesus, and no one will pluck us out of his hand, because he keeps
the protection of us.
He says, I am not asking on behalf of them alone, but on behalf of those who believe
in me through their message, that all of them may be one as you are one,
sorry, as you, Father, are in me.
So what he's saying here is, they may be one as, which is a likelihood to,
as we are one, you are in me, may they be one.
So that all of them may be one as you, Father, are in me, and I am in you,
may they also be in us, so that the world may believe that you sent me.
So we're like, or as, one as they are one.
It doesn't say in any way, shape or form, there's a difference in oneness.
You have to prove that.
Okay, so can anyone pluck Christians out of your hand, Taylor?
Not if God puts them in my hand, and God said that about me, Daniel.
No, no one's putting anyone in your hand.
We're in Jesus' hand.
Yeah, because Jesus is a different person, isn't he?
He's the Messiah.
It was prophesied of him, this stuff.
But you see, the thing is, in the two verses prior to John 10, 30, where he
says, you know, I and the Father are one, he says it in the context of, he says,
you know, no one can pluck, you know, believers out of my hand, you know,
in the same way that no one can pluck believers out of the Father's hand.
So if you're one in the same way, then that means you're one in that way,
which means that no one can pluck believers out of your hand.
It doesn't say that.
And literally, when it says we are one as they are one, it doesn't mean that they
are one in the sense that you can't be plucked around.
It's one in agreement, in spirit.
How is the Father in Jesus?
Because that's what it literally says in the context, yeah?
It says that you are in me and I am in you, may they be in us so that the world
will know that you sent me.
So we are in them, in them.
It doesn't say anything about taking from the hand in this context of being one.
And this, well, see, cool, because you are correlating this to John 10.30,
and that is what John 10.30 is talking about.
But you actually, this is a good point, though, because it says that we will be in
them.
See, I will not be in you, you will not be in me, but we will both be in Jesus.
Can you explain that?
Yeah, and they're in us.
And we are one.
But why is Jesus...
One second, I'm answering your question.
One second.
It says that me, we, sorry, that they all may be one.
So we are one.
I am in you, you are in me, held by the Spirit.
May they be all one, as you, Father, are in me.
So may we be in each other, as the Father is in Jesus, and Jesus is in the Father,
and they will be in us.
Yeah, but Jesus and the Father are specifically grouped together.
Why is that?
And we are.
Yeah, but they're specifically, like, we are in them, not just we're in
the Father, we are in them specifically.
Why are they grouped together?
Because that's how it's been stated.
So Jesus is special.
No, because Jesus at this time is talking about how the Spirit is in him,
that they will be one.
They will be one.
Once he dies, he breathed the Holy Spirit onto them.
They got the Spirit from the Pentecost.
The Spirit went into them.
That's how they're one.
At that time, I don't believe, I could be wrong on this, that they were
one in the same way.
Yeah, we're not, because Jesus and the Father are one in salvation, whereas we
are not.
Like, you're not going to save anyone.
I'm not going to save anyone.
Only God does.
So you're saying you wouldn't save anyone?
You wouldn't let people die or drown?
No, no, I'm not talking, I'm talking about, like, salvation.
No, well, then Jesus doesn't, if God didn't accept him as the sacrifice and
just went, well, it's just another person that was murdered.
Yes, he was perfect, but, you know, I don't like human beings being murdered
and stuff.
Then if God didn't accept it, then he wouldn't have been a saviour, would he?
If God didn't accept him as the saviour, as the Messiah, as the one that died to a
sacrificial lamb.
Well, I mean, no, that's not how it works.
It's not, no, Jesus, it's not like, oh, you know, God just accepted Jesus,
like he wouldn't not accept Jesus because they are one.
They've always been one.
And we are one.
We've just had this conversation.
Not in the same way.
We're just saying that is the difference, because I've literally shown you in the
scripture, may they be one as we are one, or you are in me and I am in you,
as is literally a likening to.
Now you've got to prove that we are not one in the same way.
Because if you look at the context, you haven't addressed this yet,
if you look at the context, you know, John 10, 28 to 30, Jesus says,
No one will pluck them out of my hand.
No one will pluck them out of the Father's hand.
I and the Father are one.
They are one in the sense that they are one in salvation.
They are one in the sense that no one will pluck anyone out of their hands.
So are you one in that way?
It doesn't say that.
Wouldn't it make sense, wouldn't it make sense that it's talking about they're one
and that they're working together like they're doing their own, it's like they're
in agreement.
They're working together.
They're in unity, which as Taylor just brought up, it says, Father, that they,
that you, me and Taylor are all one, just like God and Jesus are one.
He says it literally like that.
May they be one just like you and me are one.
They're working together.
That's the whole purpose.
When you work together with people, you're on the same accord, you have the
same mission, you have the same goals.
You're essentially plowing together.
That's how I look at it.
If I was, if I'm one with David, if David, for example, goes on to that
Heretic Friday, obviously I'm not allowed to, it would be like I am there though,
because he's one in agreement with me.
I don't need to be personally there.
I am there because I'm one with him.
He's in agreement in, I think, in most things, if not all, in regards to
law and so on and so forth.
We might differ on some things because we're at different points, both of us,
but it will be like I am there because I'm one with him in total agreement in God,
in his spirit.
And it will be God being there through him.
It will be the Messiah being there through him.
That's what I was talking about.
We'll see.
Here's the problem.
So, you know, like, you know, like David was saying that, uh, well, you know,
it's basically that they're like Jesus and the father are one in the sense that,
like, they do the same thing.
They have the same duty and stuff like that.
And if David wants to argue that, that's fine.
But see, your problem is that then you have to say that, like, we are one in the
same duty.
So basically, in the same way that Jesus saves us and that Jesus is Lord over us,
we must be, you know, we must be Lord and savior.
So now I guess we're all Lord and saviors.
No, we're one in the same way, right?
No, that's not how it is.
The saving's been done, but we are one by spreading the news of the saving.
Yeshua was one that was prophesied of being a savior in the sense of him coming
to die.
But we will die like him.
Yeah, we will be judged to death and we spread the truth.
That is our, um, our, what's the word I'm looking for?
Like our walk.
We take the news of the death of our Messiah to people.
And if that means by us dying, that's what's planned for us.
God has a plan for every single human being.
He knows, just like Jeremiah 1 verse 5, I knew you and that I would set you as a
prophet before you even became a person.
Everyone has a different walk that God has set out for us.
So that would be like saying, well, Jesus wouldn't have been, if God didn't
plan him for that walk for Jesus and pick someone else or pick 10 different people.
So we're not one in the same way.
No, we are one in the same way.
We all have different walks.
We are one in the spirit of God.
Well, but see, David was just saying that like, we're one in like, like he was
saying that Jesus and the father are one in the sense that they have like the same
purpose and mission and goal.
The thing is their purpose and mission and goal.
And like what they do is like, you know, they are Jesus and the father or
our Lord and savior.
So according to his logic, we are all Lords and saviors as well, like in the
same sense.
I don't, I don't think it means it like, or I don't, I don't view it like that.
Like, for example, with me at work.
So for example, if, if I, my boss and I, if, I mean, if we're both, if we're both
doing what we're supposed to be doing in the roles that we're called to be in for
our job, we're both one, we're working together, but yet I don't run the
business.
My boss does, but yet we can still be one because we are working together and we are
in unity because we're both working for the business.
We're both contributing to the business.
We have the same goals, but it's that she's in a higher rank than me.
Just like there might be people below me that have a different duty or a job,
but yet they're still one.
So I don't, I, I, that's how I view it.
When it says like being one with each other, it's what we're on one accord.
We're working together.
It doesn't mean that we're all on the same level, so I can be one with Jesus,
but that doesn't mean that I'm the salvation.
He is the one that's, that's going to say that's the judge and is the savior,
but yet I can still be one with him and not be the savior.
If that makes sense.
I would like to ask Tyler who saved Jesus.
Well, I mean, the father saved Jesus from the cross.
Like he saved Jesus from death.
So therefore Jesus has to save you.
In the sense that the father saved him from, you know, death.
Yes.
But he doesn't have a savior from sin or anything like that.
Well, Jesus has a savior from death, taking him from death.
So the ultimate savior is the father who is the savior.
Then you've got Jesus who is our savior because of God's plan, the predominant
plan.
In Acts 2, verse 31, it says,
So God saved Jesus.
Jesus saves us and he does like what God does, but he's not God.
No, that's not what I said.
I said that God saved Jesus.
Because he's not God.
Jesus is not God.
He couldn't resurrect himself.
It was God who resurrected him.
This is, see, this is the same logic that the Pharisees used when they were accusing
Jesus.
They told Jesus, if you are really the king of the Jews, get yourself up off that
cross.
You know, they also mocked Jesus and said, oh, you know, you're not powerful enough
to do this, do that.
And this is the same logic that you're using.
But they were right, though, in that sense, though, weren't they?
Because it was by God, Jehovah's will, that he would be crushed.
So he couldn't go against God's will because he's not God.
So you're agreeing with the Pharisees?
No, I'm just stating that they were right in that sense, though, that he couldn't do
it because God is the only one that can do it.
But he knew that he had to do God's will.
Well, you know, in the narrative, it was clear that the Pharisees were
mocking Jesus and saying that he couldn't do it.
So you're mocking Jesus like them?
No, I'm stating that they were right in that sense.
I didn't say that I'm mocking them.
Okay, were the Pharisees right when they said, Thou makest thyself God?
Or were they right when they said that he was making himself equal with God?
No.
Ah, okay.
Gotcha.
Two different contexts.
One, they were saying something that was correct in the sense that he couldn't save
himself.
It was God who saves, and God did save him.
That's what they were indicating, though.
I'm not saying what they fully said in the context was right.
I said there was a point in that thing that they're saying that is correct.
Because only God could save him.
It's only God that did the miracles, wonders, and signs to him.
I'm not saying what they said in total was right, but there is a hint of rightness
there, that because only the Father can do the miracles through him.
Okay, yeah, the Father and the Son work together.
They are one.
That does not debunk my point.
Tell me, David, so you know how Jesus says he's the only way to the Father?
So there's not multiple ways to the Father.
There's only one way.
It's by having faith in Jesus.
So does Jesus have to have faith in himself to get to the Father?
I think, for me, I'll just share how I view that verse.
Nobody has gotten to the Father yet.
So Jesus is the one that decides who gets into the kingdom.
So that's how I view that Jesus being the way in, is that he's the one that decides
who gets in.
So he's not like his own way, but he's the one that's designated by God to allow or
not allow people to get to God, if that makes sense.
I would like to ask Talia a question.
It's the same question I asked you, I think, two years ago.
Jesus is man.
You claim that Jesus is also God.
Is God ever, ever at all a created thing?
No.
And Jesus is a created thing, so he can't be God?
His human and divine nature are separate.
But he's still man.
Otherwise he was just a piece of flesh walking about with God in him,
therefore he wouldn't feel pain.
No, his divine and human nature are separate.
But he still felt pain, so he's still a human being of flesh.
If he's God, he's just a God in flesh, which is created.
Because if he's not the flesh, then I could say Aldwin, but if he is the
flesh, which would say the word became flesh, therefore he's not God.
He was God.
The word was God, but it became flesh.
It's not God.
Otherwise it would say the word is God.
The word is not God.
It says the word was God.
God spoke, and it became Jesus.
So God stopped being God.
No, the word of God stopped by becoming a created thing.
It goes out and achieves what God sets it out to.
So God stopped being God.
That makes no sense.
God does not change.
The word isn't a person.
God is always God.
His word achieves.
It becomes a created thing.
So if Jesus is human, and he felt the pain, he was a baby, he would have
obviously went to the toilet, fed, did all these different things,
went to the synagogue, taught, and so on.
He lived a human life, therefore he's a created thing.
Otherwise, he's not.
I just explained this.
He is flesh and divine.
So he's created because flesh is a created thing.
His flesh is created.
His flesh was prepared.
Yes.
And you said he is flesh, so therefore he can't be God because God's not created.
I've already explained this.
His body was prepared for him, and his divine nature was imputed onto his
body.
And again, he's still a created thing.
It doesn't matter if you say imputed, he still is that created thing.
Because the Bible says he is man.
It doesn't say that he's imputed as man.
It says he is man.
God judges through the man, Jesus Christ.
Well, see, a Bible, you know, the book itself is created.
That doesn't mean the word of God is created.
But I do want to ask David a question, though, because he said something
interesting.
He said that Jesus decides who enters the kingdom of God.
So does Jesus decide if he himself enters the kingdom?
No, God decided that Jesus is... well, all this is foreordained.
So all this was brought to pass because that's what God planned on it being.
So it's not like we're on the same playing field, I would say.
So, for example, when I say Jesus decides who gets in, it's because God appointed
Jesus to be the one to decide.
Because Jesus is going to judge righteously every human being and say
whether or not that they can get into the kingdom based on what they've done.
Which is what the Bible clearly teaches, is that everybody will be raised from the
dead and stand before Jesus.
And God, through Jesus, will judge everybody.
Okay, but does Jesus judge himself?
No, God does, because he's the ultimate judge and saviour.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
The Bible says that the Father judges no one.
The Son does.
No, it doesn't.
It says that God judges through the man, Jesus Christ.
No, John 5, 22.
One second.
Acts 17, verse 31.
For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he
appointed.
He has given proof of this to everyone by raising him from the dead.
So God judges through the man that he's ordained.
It's God who's doing it.
Why?
Because it's God's word that is what we're going to be judged by.
Yeah, but John 5, 22 says that the Father judges no one.
It's the Son who does it.
Yes, because God ordained him to be the judge and he judges by what the Father set
up, the Torah.
Exactly.
So God judges through Jesus.
So how is Jesus judged?
Does God judge Jesus through Jesus?
Well, God obviously would have seen the acts that Jesus did and seen that he's
perfect and resurrected him.
He made a judgment on Yeshua being the sacrificial lamb before all things then
were created.
Okay, so he did judge Jesus.
So he judges Jesus through Jesus?
No, he judged Jesus way before the creation.
He picked him out.
And it literally says that all other human beings, talking about all other human
beings, that he set Yeshua to be that judge.
Every single man is judged by the Torah.
Every single man?
Yeah, every single man.
That's why Yeshua was perfect.
He had to do the Torah.
So the Father judges the Son.
He didn't need to though, did he?
He's perfect.
No, no, no.
You just said that every man is judged by the Torah.
He did judge him, but he didn't have to because he's perfect.
He's not.
So he makes a judgment, but there's nothing to judge.
So he's perfect.
He's without blemish.
If you look at a blank sheet of paper with all the sins of Jesus on it, you're not
going to make a judgment.
But he, God, knew that he's perfect.
A clean sheet.
Alright, you're in.
He didn't even need to make a judgment, but he is the judge.
He made a judgment saying that he is the sacrifice for the world because he's clean
without sin.
But the Bible says that the Father does not judge anyone.
So how did the Father judge Jesus?
See, there's a contradiction here.
So therefore the Bible must be wrong.
We must learn through it out because it contradicts.
No, I'm saying your religion is wrong.
No, but so the Bible's wrong here.
For he has set a day when he will judge the world through the man that he
appointed.
So God is in Jesus, judging the world through him, with his word, his Torah.
So therefore the Bible contradicts itself and we might as well throw it away,
according to your view.
It's not a contradiction to us.
Are you all there?
Yeah, I'm here.
I'm just waiting for everybody.
Chris Clark and anyone else that's wanting to chat, you're more than welcome to click
the link which is up in the top of the chat up there.
If you're wanting to call in directly.
Anyone that's wanting to t-dog, you're more than welcome to as well.
So yeah, the Trinity makes no sense in regards to Jehovah always speaking as a
singular.
I am God.
I wish that you would call me father.
And then the only time Jesus is spoken of in the Old Testament is the servant,
the king, that he chose, his chosen one, that God chose to do a purpose.
Nowhere ever in the Bible do the Trinitarians have to tweak this angel of
Jehovah to make it look like he is the vain or pre-existing.
Even though 1 Peter 1.20 says he was foreseen before the world was created.
He was picked before the world pro-ignosmenu.
And to that person that's chatting in the chat, if you had had more discernment and
stopped talking and being rude, you would have been in here giving your
view and opinion.
So what did you just say?
I was just saying to the person that was keep on talking over, he's in the chat,
I just said if he had a fair and maybe had some respect he would have been in here
giving his view and opinion.
But he kept on talking over.
In regards to Jesus, Trinitarians need to make a malak look like it's Jesus so that
they can say that Jesus is God or pre-existing, which is absolute garbage.
Because malaks are sent by Jehovah, they are of Jehovah, saying the message of
Jehovah.
Yeah, but the problem is that Jehovah himself calls the angel of the Lord
Jehovah.
No, he doesn't.
Yes, he does.
No, he doesn't.
He comes in the name of Jehovah.
Although...
So, here's a question.
If you believe that Jesus is the angel of the Lord, why does the Bible say to who of
the angels did he say that you are my son?
I've explained this so many times.
The angel of the Lord is not a literal... it's not an actual angel in the sense that
you're thinking.
It's a literal word.
Angelos in Greek is the term used for malak in Hebrew.
So you can't just pick and choose what you want when it's literally the same wording
used in regards to angels.
Malak in Hebrew or angelos in Greek.
You can't just pick and choose.
No, the word also refers to messengers.
Yeah, messengers.
That's the literal definition of it.
A representative, a messenger, an angel.
All angels are messengers of God.
Just like Haggai.
Is he literally their God?
Because it's the literal word malak.
The same exact word.
No difference.
The same exact word.
And he is called the messenger of Jehovah.
The angel of Jehovah.
It's the same exact word.
Yeah, but he's not called God.
But he's called the angel of God, which you claim is called God.
There are other angels who come from God.
And that's my point.
Only one is called God.
Which one?
There's only one who is called God.
Which one?
There's one particular one.
Which one?
Jesus.
No, which one in the Bible?
Jesus.
Where does it say Jesus is an angel in the Bible?
Not an actual angel.
I've already explained this.
So, in other words, he's an angel of the Lord, and it's Jesus that is that angel,
but you've got not one verse that says that that angel is Jesus.
No, the angel of the Lord is not a literal angel like you're thinking of.
But it literally says malak.
Okay, and that word is not always referred to actual angels.
It's literally, the term is messenger, an angel.
And it doesn't say, if you're talking about like a divine angel of some form,
yeah, it would say Elohim.
Or, actually it might not even say that, but it would say a different word to
malak.
It wouldn't say malak.
If it was divine, would it?
Like divine beings.
But it doesn't say that.
What are you even talking about?
I just told you that the word refers to messengers as well.
It literally says malak.
It's the same exact word.
It doesn't say, you're either an angel or not an angel, and the Bible literally says
it is an angel, or the angel, as you guys try to keep on putting it out at us.
Yeah, he is the angel of the Lord.
So, let's have a, since you're not answering that question, I'm going to move
on.
I already did, 5.5 times.
You're saying that he's not an angel, but you're saying he is the angel of
Yehovah when...
The word angel does not always refer to literal angels.
Can you explain this?
Yes, it is.
It's a messenger.
That is the literal definition of it.
The literal definition of the word is a messenger, unless you can prove otherwise.
You already acknowledged that it refers to messengers as well.
No, that is the literal definition.
Representative, messenger, they're all the same thing.
No, no, no, no, no.
An angel can be a messenger, a representative of God, because it's sent
by the one that is.
And I'm going to read out the definition.
Jews for Judaism states that some Trinitarians claim that whenever the
scripture mentions Malak Adonai, Yod-Heh-Fat-Veh, an angel of the Lord,
the angel is Jesus.
They translate all passages mentioning such an angel as the angel of the Lord.
Although the Hebrew may as well just as mean them an angel of the Lord.
Literally, a messenger of Yehovah.
Judges 2 verse 1, 6 verse 11 to 22.
True, in the construct state, when the second noun has a definitive article,
the first noun is automatically definite without the need of the article.
However, the proper nouns, which are automatically definite, only context
determines whether the first noun attached to it is to be taken as a definite or
indefinite article.
The context in all the verses where Malak Adonai occurs strongly indicates that it
is not to be taken as the definite article.
Even when the noun angel, Malak, appears with a definite article in a
scriptural passage, it is not used in the sense of a definite personality,
but only as a reference to the particular angel mentioned previously in text.
So, what it's saying is, when you say the, the only reason there is the angel is
because beforehand it was an angel.
So, if I said an angel came up to me and the angel said, that's why it's been
introduced as an angel, just a random angel, and then it becomes the because
it's the context of the an angel that came over speaking.
An angel came and the angel spoke.
Not that it's a definite, always definite article that there's always a specific the
angel of Yehovah.
It's not that way.
It continues saying, the angel is always an impersonal being whose name is not
necessary since he is simply a messenger.
The Hebrew word Malak means messenger, as does the Greek Angelos, to whom God,
in whom all power resounds, has entrusted a messenger, a specific, sorry,
a specific mission.
So, it goes on, it's 1 Chronicles 21 verse 16 and verse 27, Zechariah 1 verse 12 to
17.
It is for this reason that the prophet Haggai, who conveyed God's message to
Israel, was also called a messenger of the Lord, which is in Haggai 1 verse 13,
literally the same exact word that is used for the angel of the Lord.
And it says, the angel term applied, Haggai, Malak Adonai, exactly the same
word for this the angel of the Lord.
So he must be God.
He must literally be the angel of Yehovah.
Are all messengers angels?
No.
They're not wanting an answer, they're just going to interrupt.
All Malak are people sent, or things sent by God with a message.
All Malak are.
I've literally just read this in...
Yeah, I know, exactly.
You just proved my point, dude.
Okay, not all, not all, what is it, Malak are angels.
No, but all angels are Malak, messengers of God, so...
Yeah.
Yeah, so they're not God.
I never said that the angels were God.
And Jesus is the angel, which we've just literally broke down the definition of the
same word.
And that angel, anything that is Malak is not God.
It is a messenger or representative of the one that sent them.
And it's not a definite article.
It's never put out as a definite article, only if it's been introduced.
So, like, an old man came over, the old man said.
The only time it's the definite the is when it's been introduced as a random,
generic, an angel.
I gotta head to work, y'all.
I'll catch y'all later.
Okay.
Have a good day.
Peace, y'all.
You as well.
Shabbat shalom.
Biblical Unitarian if you want to say anything as well in prose, but yeah.
You just proved my point.
Well, so I proved your point that literally Hebrews, because they know their
own language better than you and the Trinitarians, stated that there's not ever
anywhere in the Bible that it's the definite article, the angel of the Lord as
some kind of God.
It's just...
The point I was making is that not all messengers are angels.
You just agreed.
So you just proved my point.
No, I didn't.
What?
You literally just said that.
What are you talking about?
No, I didn't prove your point.
Okay.
Are all messengers angels?
Angels in this term, regarding Malak, are messengers.
But not all messengers are angels.
There will be other words if you're talking about divine beings.
We're talking about Malak.
You're trying to move it off the topic with the dual post changes.
Yeah, and Jesus is a Malak.
And therefore he can't be God.
Which Malak is he?
Do you remember what we just read?
Sorry, one second.
We've just read that the Hebrew speakers that know their language have literally
said that it is a random angel.
That name does not matter.
They're just a random messenger sent for a purpose.
They've not got a name.
So which one is it?
And how do you know which one is Yeshua?
And how do you know that this random angel is Yeshua when it doesn't say anywhere in
the Bible that this messenger, this Malak, is Jesus?
Well, because one of them is called God.
Yeah, because God speaks through him.
Okay, God speaks through prophets.
Do they ever call themselves God?
No.
No, but they speak to God as if the person that's speaking to them, just like with
Hagar, she spoke to Jehovah who had spoke to her, not the angel as Jehovah.
But have I gone seeing that he saw me, not that she saw God?
Yeah, she saw God, yes.
No, it doesn't.
Again, I've just given you the Hebrew that says, have I, Elroy, you are Elroy,
for have I not gone on seeing after he saw me, not she saw God.
I have seen God face to face.
No.
There's a verse that says that, yes.
What, in regards to Hagar?
No.
Right, so why are you moving the goalpost to a different point?
Because your point, because you were trying to say, oh, it doesn't say she saw
God.
Well, someone else did see God, so how do you explain that?
Right, well, give us the verse.
It is Genesis 32, 30.
Hold on a second.
Genesis 30,
30 what, sorry?
32, 30.
Let's see.
So, Jehovah was left alone and a man wrestled with him.
So, a man, not God, wrestled with him until the break of dawn, when he saw that
he had not prevailed against him.
He wretched Jehovah's hip at its socket so that the socket of the hip was strained as
he wrestled with him.
Then he said, let me go for dawn is breaking.
But he answered, I will not let you go unless you bless me, said the other.
What is your name?
He said, Jehovah, or replied Jehovah, said he, your name is no longer Jehovah,
but Israel, for you have striven with divine beings and human, divine beings and
human, and have prevailed.
Jehovah asked, pray, tell me your name.
But he said, you must not ask me my name.
And he took leave of him there.
So he struggled with divine beings and human.
Because God said, who was the man that he was wrestling with?
The man that he was wrestling with.
And he struggled with divine beings, Elohim, and man.
He says he saw God face to face.
How do you explain that?
No, it doesn't.
I've just literally read it.
Wait, what do you know?
I've just read the verse that you brought up.
No, did you read the wrong verse?
I think you did.
No, verse 30.
Yaakov asked, pray, tell me.
But he said, you must not ask my name.
And he took leave of him there.
No, that's not the right verse.
It's chapter 32, verse 30.
Yeah, that's where I am.
32, verse 30.
Yeah, you was reading from Jacob, wasn't you?
You was reading about Jacob.
Yeah, Yaakov.
Which one, Yaakov?
Can I just make a quick point that Tyler just suggested?
Well, Tyler, you was talking about seeing...
It says, no man has seen the Father face to face.
I think that's talking about the pre-existent Messiah, isn't it?
Wait, what?
In Exodus, you was talking about the angel of the Lord.
That's also referenced in John and in Genesis, which was supposed to be the
pre-existent Messiah.
Okay, what about it?
Well, you was saying about, does he believe Jesus is God?
So, if that's like saying, well, you've seen God face to face.
Yeah, I have.
Yeah, so that would be like the character of God through his Son.
But it's not the actual Father himself, isn't it?
Wait, what is your point?
I'm confused.
What are you trying to say?
Well, you believe Jesus is God in the flesh.
But I also believe that the Son is the representative of the Father with his
characteristics.
But that doesn't actually mean the Son is the Father himself.
Well, no, I don't know.
He's not the Father.
No, so when you address the point with Taylor about the angel, that's in Exodus,
that comes from the burning bush, where Moses was talking to probably the
pre-existent Messiah in the burning bush.
Then if you go to John and Genesis, which you told Taylor to read from,
that's like the angel of the Lord in the pre-existence Messiah.
So I don't believe it's God himself.
It would be just the Son he's speaking to, or the angel.
I'll pull up the verse that he's just told me to go to, by the way, just so that you
can see it for yourself.
Genesis 32, verse 30.
Where is it?
There we go.
32, verse 30.
And I'll pull this up on the...
So I'm actually reading references here, so I'm not really making it up myself.
When I was just addressing what Taylor just said to you about the angel of the
Lord, it was the pre-existent Son as an angel.
It's not a literal angel.
I've already explained it.
It's not an angel with wings.
Yeah, I don't mean that.
It would have been like an angel looking for a person.
No one's ever said that Jesus is an angel with wings.
Anyway, what we've got here is...
Yeah, correct yourself, Taylor.
I didn't mean it was like an actual angel with wings, because that wouldn't make any
sense.
Right.
So what we've got here is, Yaakov asked, Pray tell me what your name is,
or tell me your name.
But he said, you must not ask me my name.
And he took leave of him there.
Now, this is written and edited by Hebrew Jews, rabbis.
Now, beforehand it says, Your name shall no longer be Yaakov.
That's not the right verse, though.
It was actually 31 in this translation.
But this says divine being.
The place Peniel, meaning I have seen a divine being face to face, yet my life has
been preserved.
So he's seen a divine being.
All the other translations say he's seen God.
It doesn't matter.
This is literally translated by rabbis, Tulai Wise and many other Israelite Hebrew
Jews that know their language better than the Trinitarians do.
Well, you know, all Greek Christians are Trinitarians, and yet they know their
language better than you do, right?
You do realize that the Greek was translated from the Hebrew.
There's found manuscripts of the New Testament in Hebrew.
Yeah, yeah, they have.
At least the vast majority of the New Testament is in Greek.
And it's translated from Hebrew to Greek, because you can see Hebrewisms,
yes.
This is where you're showing your lack of information, and you're still imposing
something that you believe when you don't have the facts.
Nehemiah Gordon, a Karaite Jew, literally has manuscripts of Matthew in
Hebrew that he's broken down on videos.
Yeah, of course he has.
And you can see Hebrewisms in the New Testament, such as, you will call him
Yeshua, for he will save.
You calling him Jesus has no sense to it, because Jesus doesn't have the same term
or knowledge to it of salvation.
Same, you will call him Jesus, for he will save.
How has that got anything to do with anything?
You can see Hebrewisms in the Greek.
So your argument to bring up the Greek makes no sense at all.
Yeah, because they spoke Greek as well, but it was written in Greek originally.
No, it was written in Hebrew.
No, it was not.
No one believes that.
Well, I don't care what Trinitarians believe.
It was literally written in Hebrew.
In fact, the Ebionites and some of the church fathers even put it at one second.
Let's see.
So you've said no one ever believed that the New Testament was written in Hebrew.
No, I mean, not literally everyone.
In another passage, Ephesus also states, and when among the books that were hidden
at Tiberias, as has been said, he had found the Gospel of John translated
from the Greek into the Hebrew.
He also found, let's finish what I'm saying, because you're jumping in and
you're going to make yourself look silly.
He also found the Acts of the Apostle, and not this alone, but also the Gospel of
Matthew, which was originally written in Hebrew.
So yeah, now you've just made yourself look silly because that was one of the
church fathers, if I'm not mistaken, that said that.
They found the Ebionites had copies of which was written in Hebrew originally.
And by the way, the Ebionites predate your church fathers of the Catholic,
where the Trinitarianism came from.
They were around the latest date, 70 AD, and the church fathers date to
like, what, 200?
Maybe it was 120s AD.
Yeah, so you trust them?
Why wouldn't I?
It's part of history.
But you don't trust the church fathers?
No, why would I trust them antichrists?
Well, they're part of history too.
Yeah, but they're antichrists.
The Bible speaks of people that were of them that went out and didn't remain with
them.
And we see in the Bible that Jesus wasn't, isn't God.
There's not one verse that says the Son of God is God.
Well, I mean, that's false.
It's not.
Show me one verse where it says Jesus is God.
Hebrews 1.8.
Hebrews 1.8 doesn't say Jesus is God, but we can go to that.
It does, but...
Hebrews 1.8, which derives from Psalm 45.
We'll read that in a bit, but... lexicon.
But of the Son, and he says isn't in there.
So of the Son, and it's talking about the Son, yeah?
Your throne of God is forever and ever.
And a righteous scepter, which is the King, which, which if you read the Psalm,
you'll find that the King is the Messiah being talked of.
And your righteous scepter is the scepter of his kingdom.
Now, if you look at Psalm 45, we will see that it's talking about the King is
Yeshua.
And that the King is the one that God is basically protecting.
My heart is moved with a good theme.
I address my verse to the King.
My tongue is a pen of a ready writer.
You are the most handsome of the sons of mankind.
Grace is poured out on your lips.
Therefore, God has blessed you forever.
Now, clearly talking about the Messiah, unless it changes and just picks and
chooses when it's talking about the Messiah.
Strap your thought to the Messiah, almighty one, in your splendor and
majesty.
And in your majesty ride on victoriously.
For the cause of truth, humility, and righteousness.
Let your right hand teach you awesome things.
Your arrows are sharp.
The people fall under you.
Your arrows are in the heart of the King's enemies.
Your throne, God, so we see this talking about God because it's God.
His arrows are against the enemies of the King.
Your throne, God, is forever and ever.
The scepter, which is the King of your kingdom, is a scepter of justice.
Which is how God rules and judges the world through the man.
The scepter is the scepter of justice which God judges through.
You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness.
Therefore, God, your God, so the God of the King, has anointed you.
So the King has been anointed.
Not that the King is God, but God anointed you with oil over your companions.
This King has companions, but is being lifted up above them with oil of gladness.
So how is Jesus God when it's not talking about Jesus as God, this God here?
God anointed him, the King.
Yeah, you know the Bible says God will be exalted.
No it doesn't.
Yeah it does.
The Lord will be exalted.
In other passages?
No, because this is answering your point.
No it's not, because exalting isn't being anointed.
Exalting is just someone that raises up someone, like you or Greta.
You're raising the name of Jehovah, sanctifying his name by letting it come
off your lips with praise.
It's not talking about the same context.
So you're going to a different context, a different passage, that has nothing to
do with Jesus.
So God is not allowed to be anointed?
No.
Why not?
Where does it say in the Bible that he's ever anointed at all?
Where does it say he's forbidden to be anointed?
Because he's the highest authority of all things.
He anoints people.
But he can still be exalted, so...
That's not what anointed means.
Ah, okay, so he can be exalted but not anointed.
Yeah, because to exalt someone... you know you're making yourself look silly here.
You do realize that?
Because God isn't a messiah anointed.
Anointed means that you are put into an authority.
God is not put into an authority because God always is the authority.
So you're making yourself look silly with the way you're saying it.
Ah, like as if you've made a point when you haven't.
Jesus limited himself.
Yeah, he could be king, but he limited himself as a human being.
Why are you moving the GoPros again?
Okay, you don't know what moving the GoPros means.
Answering your question is not moving the GoPros.
No, I haven't asked the question.
So again, you're saying stuff that I haven't said.
You literally just said, this proves that Jesus is God.
I've outright demolished that because it literally says that the king is being
lifted up by his God.
Now you've moved it onto a different passage that had nothing to do
contextually with what we're talking about.
Then once I said and showed that you're moving the GoPros to something else to
make it look like he's God, off topic.
Then you said, so God can't be anointed, but he can be exalted.
Exalted means you lift up praise.
Anointed is not lifting up praise.
It's someone that does that who is the ultimate authority.
God gave the authority to Jesus by anointing him as the Messiah.
So your argument's flawed, but you're trying to make it look like you're making
a point by making yourself look foolish.
Because you're going, ah, see, you're not making a point.
To exalt someone means you're lifting up their name.
You're sanctifying, it's a respect.
Jehovah God sanctified by your name.
That is exalting, you're praising.
Anointed is someone that the authority comes from.
And you're making kind of a fool of them, Trinitarianism, to be honest.
And I'm not trying to say that to be provocative.
Okay, so tell me this.
How can his name be exalted if he has the highest name?
Because you praise it.
You praise it.
The person already has the highest name.
Right?
And you're the one that's praising it.
You're exalting it when you speak.
You're not just saying it generally.
So therefore, you're not speaking just saying, Hi Dave.
You're saying, your name is sanctified.
You're praising his name for all the things that he by his name does.
The miracles, wonders, and signs, you're praising him for the things he's
done.
Exactly, so he's allowed to be exalted, but he's not allowed to be anointed with
oil.
Yes, because one, to exalt someone, you're praising that person.
If I say, you did a good job, little child.
Well done.
You're praising them for something you've done.
It's not like you're raising them up as a literal person because you can't raise God
above anything.
Exalting literally just means that you're raising the person in esteem.
Like, what you've done is good.
I honour you for what you've done.
You have freed Israel from Egypt.
Thank you.
Praise be your name.
Your name.
It is you who did all these things.
Anointing is literally the authority being given.
There's two different contexts and you make yourself look bad.
Now you can say that all you want.
The fact is Jesus limited himself.
So what?
So that is not contradictory to my position.
That's what I'm saying.
God cannot be anointed.
I explained.
Jesus limited himself as a human being so he can be anointed.
God doesn't limit himself.
Why not?
He's not allowed to according to you?
According to the Bible, no.
According to you, you don't want him.
Where does it say in the Bible that God limits himself?
Philippines, chapter 2, verses 6 through 8.
So, wait a minute.
You're missing a verse 5 where it says we have the mindset of Jesus, who is a man,
about God.
Yes.
So what?
Really Taylor?
Really what?
Really, you're going to use a scripture about Jesus saying that Jesus humbles
himself.
That we have the same mindset in verse 5.
As Jesus does, in our relationships, not considering ourselves equal to God,
to make it look like God humbles himself, when nowhere does it say that Jesus is God
ever at all in the entire Bible, which is the whole purpose of why we were
on Hebrews 1, 8 and Psalm 45, which is the correlating scripture.
You're going around in a circle trying to prove that God humbled himself,
but God didn't.
Jesus did.
And nowhere does it say that Jesus is God, which is why I said, where does it say
that Jesus is God?
So when it says, of the son, he says, oh God, that's not... what does that mean?
It's not about the son.
He says, the context of it.
Do you want to answer?
The context of that is about the son, the scepter, that God has set him up.
Yeah, but it calls him God.
And literally Psalms 45 says that this is the king that is lifted up above his
companions, which is Jesus.
And God isn't lifted up.
God is the one that's doing the lifting up, as it states.
Therefore, God, your God has anointed you with oil of joy above your companions.
Not that God was anointed.
What does, what does exalt mean?
It means lift up.
Yeah, you lift up the name, you give praise to the name.
Yeah, so you lift up God, correct?
No.
You exalt God, so you lift up God.
Where does it say that God is being lifted up in this verse, which you brought up?
No, there's another verse which says the Lord will be exalted, lifted up.
So what?
So you just...
It's not saying that you're lifting him physically up.
You're praising his name.
I've said this a thousand times.
Yeah, so you're lifting him up.
His name, not him.
He is the highest authority.
You're raising his name.
It doesn't say the Lord's name will be exalted.
It says the Lord himself will be exalted.
Yes.
And it's by his name that you're exalting him.
You're still exalting him.
Exactly so.
And his name is the highest name.
Well, hold on, how can you raise his name if his name is the highest name?
By praising his name.
I don't know how many times I've got to say this.
You praise the name, therefore you're lifting it.
You can bring down a name by spitting on it and cursing against the name.
So God's name can be lifted up, but God himself cannot be lifted up.
That makes no sense.
I'm good.
What verse are you talking about?
Let me see.
Psalm 46.10.
Let's see.
Be still and know that I am God, I will be exalted.
To rise, to rise up, to be high, be lofty, to be exalted.
To be high, set on high, to be raised, to uplift, to be exalted.
I'm finished reading it.
Let's read the actual definition of the Adam.
To be high or exalted, to rise.
So, I will be exalted.
What's the context to it?
The context is God is exalted.
Very simple.
Yeah.
So, right, he's exalted.
You can exalt people's names.
You can exalt them by having them as your God.
You can bring people down and say that God doesn't exist.
What's the point?
Exactly.
He says it's the one that's being anointed.
It's totally off the topic of what you asked.
The one that's being anointed isn't God, is it?
So, God can be exalted but not anointed.
That makes no sense.
By the way, according to the definitions, to exalt is to raise in rank, power,
or character, or to elevate by praise or estimation, glorify, obsolete,
elite, to raise high or elevate.
So, basically, it can mean praise.
So, I will be praised.
So, what?
So, he will be praised.
Right?
Yeah, so?
Yeah, so, what's the point?
So, what is going to be praised?
Obviously, he's being praised.
He's God.
Yeah, and he's exalted as well.
And that is what exalt means.
I've literally got the definition here.
And it literally says to raise in rank, or power, or character, or to elevate by
praise, or in esteem.
So, that is literally the definition of what exalt means, to praise.
Right.
Right, so, that's got nothing to do with being anointed.
Okay, so you're telling me that if God came down to earth in the form of a man,
he wouldn't be allowed, but if he did, he wouldn't be allowed to be anointed with
oil.
If God was Batman, then, you know, he must be God.
Okay, so you can't answer the question.
I can't.
I've literally answered the question with how silly the argument is.
The question that you're posing is if, right, so what?
Even if that was the case.
If chocolate rain came out of the sky, well, it doesn't, so the argument's
flawed.
It doesn't matter if you say if he would, well, if he did, then yeah, because he can
make up all the things.
Ah, okay.
If God was a man, he could be Willy Wonka, the chocolate factory.
He could also be Batman.
He could also, if that was the case, but he's not.
God is not a man that he would lie, or the son of man that he would change his
mind.
I am Jehovah, your God, not a man.
Okay, so...
So, God himself says he's not a man.
Okay, so if, yeah, okay, but you just admitted if God became a man, then he
could be anointed with oil.
If he did, but he didn't yet because he's not a man.
The word became flesh.
He says himself he's not a man.
Yeah, he's a spirit.
He can take on the form of a man.
Yes.
No, he can't.
Where does it say that in the Bible?
Because he's all-powerful.
No, where does it say that in the Bible?
Because it literally says that he is not a man.
I am God, not a man.
No, actually, you know, you know, it says that God is a man of war,
right?
An ish, not Adam.
Dude, why do you think that you know the Hebrew language better than the people who
actually translated it?
Yeah, there's two words.
Adam means man, like mankind.
And ish, like British, means covenant man.
Ish means man.
Okay, look...
But it says he is a man.
Yeah, but not mankind.
But he is a man.
He's a man, not mankind.
How many times do I have to say this?
Because you're making yourself look foolish.
Now, if I say I am a human being, but I'm also a son, I'm also different
things.
It doesn't mean that a son necessarily is a human being, or you can have a son
offspring of a dog.
Does it mean I'm a dog too?
No.
Okay, so would you say the word was ish?
Who has to say the word was ish?
No, I'm sorry, which one were you saying?
You have to say God is ish.
No, I don't know Hebrew.
I'm asking you.
Adam is mankind.
Adam, yeah?
You were called male and female.
They are called Adam, talking about mankind.
And you've got ish, which is a generic term for a man.
Adam is talking about a human being that's a physical person.
Okay, I don't know Hebrew, and you don't either, so...
I know enough to know that Adam is for mankind, if you do know that.
You were called... the male and female are called Adam, man.
It's talking about the kind.
Just like the male and female dog are called dog.
They're after the dog kind.
God is not a human being, a man, as in Adam.
He's a male figure, like father, ish.
But he's not Adam, which is a physical, created human being.
And anyway, you're totally off topic to what we've...
which you said apparently shows that Jesus is God.
Even though it literally says that, therefore God anointed you.
Where does it say that this one that's anointed is God?
Hebrews 1.8, it says he's God.
You still haven't addressed it.
I've just read it.
I've read Hebrews 1, which derives from Psalms 45.
And it's talking about Jesus, the one that's anointed by God.
Okay, but it says, of the Son, he says, God.
Yeah, of the Son.
So this same thing here is talking in context to the Son.
Your throne, O God, is forever and ever.
The righteous scepter is the scepter of your kingdom.
So God's righteous scepter is the Son.
What's your point?
You just said, is he called God or not?
No.
It's talking about God, who has this righteous scepter, which is Yeshua.
It says, O.
I honestly have no idea what you're even trying to argue here.
Yeshua, the Son, is the scepter, the King.
I've said this numerous times.
You're just not listening.
Look, I guarantee you, nobody here understands what you're even trying to
argue.
It says, of the Son...
That's if people, you think, people, and you're speaking for everyone in the
chat, apparently.
I don't care what other people think.
It's a fact.
Because if you look at the passage we've read, it talks about two people.
The King, which God is fighting against the King's enemies.
And that God raises Him, the King.
So it's clearly saying, therefore God has anointed you, the King.
Look at the proper context.
So the King isn't God.
God raises the King.
Okay.
So when it says, of the Son, he says, O God...
What does that mean?
That his God, the King, your God, is setting you up.
Just as it is written.
I honestly have no idea what you're even saying.
You just asked me a question.
I've answered your point.
Literally, let's read it again.
The context.
My heart is moved with a good theme.
I address the verse to the King.
My tongue is a pen of a ready writer.
You are the most handsome of the sons of mankind.
Grace is poured out on your lips.
Therefore, God has blessed you.
So the King has been blessed.
And later on it says, what?
God has anointed you.
How?
Because he blessed them.
Strap your sword on your thigh, mighty one, in your splendor and majesty.
And in your majesty ride on victoriously.
For the cause of truth, humility, and righteousness.
Let your right hand teach you awesome things.
Your arrows are sharp.
The people fall under you.
Your arrows are in the heart of the King's enemies.
So God is attacking the King's enemies.
And then it's talking about God.
Therefore, your throne, sorry, God, is forever.
Your scepter, talking about the King, of your kingdom, is the scepter of
justice.
Yeshua is the King and he brings justice.
You have loved righteousness and he had witnessed.
Therefore, God, and that's talking about the King.
You have loved righteousness and he had witnessed.
Therefore, your God, the God of this King, has anointed you.
Blessed you.
It's quite clear.
It's not hard to read it out in English.
God blessed the King.
God attacked the King's enemies.
God has this scepter of righteousness and justice, which is the King.
And God anointed him.
Yeah, there were two who were called God, yes.
No, it's not.
Okay.
Okay, well, you keep going back to Isaiah 45.
That's cool and all.
But in Hebrews...
I'm sorry, it's Psalm.
And this is the context to Hebrews 1.
It's where it's deriving from.
Okay, but in Hebrews, you still haven't answered my question.
Why does it say, of the Son?
Yeah, of the Son.
Of the Son.
And the Son is the scepter of God.
No, of the Son, he says, your throne, O God.
No, it doesn't say Heseus.
The Heseus is in bracket.
Oh my goodness, seriously?
It means it's not there.
Look it up.
Yeah, you do know that when they...
What does it mean when Heseus is in brackets?
I know what it means.
It means that it is implied from the language.
Yeah, it's implied by Trinitarians.
It's not in the scripture.
No, it is implied by the language.
That's how the language works.
No, it's not.
Oh, it's not.
It means that it's imposed.
I've literally looked this up.
It literally means that it's not found in the scripture.
It's imposed.
Not that it's there.
It literally says, of the Son, in this passage here, talking about Psalms
45, it's talking about the Son being the scepter of God.
And we've literally seen that.
And you're trying to go here because it's only one verse of one part of the whole
passage.
Okay, okay, so now I understand what you're trying to argue now.
I was so confused this entire time, but now I understand what you're trying to
argue.
I don't know how I said the same thing.
Well, because you didn't mention the brackets part.
Okay, so let's see.
Actually, if you look at the start, when we came onto here, I said,
but of the Son, you're thrown because the He sees is in brackets.
I've literally said that.
Well, yeah, but I didn't know that you thought that brackets meant that it wasn't
supposed to be in there.
I didn't know that's what that...
Yeah, you said it's in brackets, you don't impose it.
I said that right at the start.
No, but I didn't know that you believe that that meant that.
So this is your interpretation.
Of the Son, you're thrown.
Oh, God is forever and ever.
That makes no sense.
No, of the Son, and this is in commas.
It's quoting Psalm 45, isn't it?
So obviously it's in quotation.
Of the Son, and he's saying this, which is from Psalm 45.
This is in regards to the Son.
His God, yeah?
He is the scepter of his God.
Your throne, God, is forever and ever.
And the righteous scepter is the scepter of his kingdom, which we've read in Psalm
45.
The king is the king, the scepter of God's kingdom.
And the king was risen up by God.
That's why I went to Psalm 45.
Yeah, okay.
To answer your question.
Okay, yeah, your interpretation is still making zero sense.
So, of the Son.
One second.
It's of the Son.
This is in context.
So, tell me when you believe Jesus is being talked about.
My heart is moved for a good theme.
I address my verse to the king.
Oh, he's gone, as per usual, just like yesterday.
Just like the day before.
When a question comes to him, tell me when Jesus is apparently being talked of.
He dodges.
This is like the third time he's ran out without saying why.
So, yeah.
Maybe I'll stop having him on if he's going to keep on doing that.
Being rude.
Anyway.
Where would you see Jesus is?
Because this king is blessed by God.
And he's blessed forever.
Well, this king is blessed forever.
But if he's a normal human being, he's dead.
But there's only one king who reigns forever.
And that's Jesus.
Strap your sword to your thigh.
Make one in your splendor.
So, God has blessed this king.
Which one's Jesus?
Again, Tyler, you can run away from questions as much as you want,
my friend.
But it's pointless even having Tyler on anymore.
Because this is the third time that he's jumped out when a question's gotten too
hard for him.
Just say he thinks that God has created things.
And that the sun had flesh imputed on him.
Even though nowhere does it say that at all.
And he believes that Jesus is God.
Even if he has the title of Elohim, doesn't mean that he's God.
The only time you see in regards to Yeshua being called God is when it says about
judges.
Therefore, you are gods and sons of the Most High.
It talks about judges as gods.
Therefore, you are gods and sons of the Most High.
But you have dealt wrong.
You have done this.
You have done these bad things.
You have judged incorrectly, corruptly and stuff.
Then you say this God, this Elohim, has inherited and he will judge the world.
That's the only time you see Jesus as God but not as the Creator God.
But we see the context is talking about judge.
A God that is judged.
Just like the other gods are judges.
But they are judged incorrectly.
He's a human being, a judge.
Therefore, an Elohim.
Elohim doesn't mean you are Jehovah the Creator God.
Even if this was the case, which would make no sense because God raised up a
king.
And if it's Jesus which is this God, raising up another king as an eternal king
makes no sense.
Because Yeshua is the only one that is the king forever.
Nonsense.
Anyway, we've had a few people in.
I don't think anyone has called in.
But I'll give other people the opportunity to call in if you want to.
If no one does call in, I'm going to end up the video anyway.
Tyler came in and just totally ran at the sight of a hard question for the third
time in a row now.
And the other one, the other Trinitarian, like seriously.
Trying to talk to him was just frustrating.
I literally kept on trying to answer points he brought up about Jehovah raining
down fire.
And he said blah blah blah talking over when I'm trying to reply to his point.
Then he went over to Abraham talking to three men.
And I was trying to get to that after I raised up the point.
You see Trinitarians jump about.
We're seeing Tyler.
Tyler himself literally went, go to here, Hebrews 1.8, which is in correlation to
Psalms 45.
I go to there and Psalms 45 to give the fuller context to that verse that is
brought up.
And then he said something else he's called in Psalms 46.
He's exalted, which means to praise or to raise up.
What's your point?
What's that got to do with what we're talking about?
He tried to go off topic from what he rose up as a point of Jesus being God.
But then as soon as I tap on this, he goes to another one.
Look, he's been exalted.
What's that got to do with anointing?
God is anointing the king.
What's that got to do with anything?
So God is exalted.
He's praised.
What's that got to do with Hebrews 45 where God anoints a human being a king?
What is this?
It doesn't.
Trinitarians go, look over here, look over here, magic, magic.
When they want you to literally answer a question over here.
But look over here, what about this point?
That's got nothing to do with what you're asking.
And this is why Trinitarians can't get to the point of the truth.
Because they don't want to see it.
They want to come up with just things off the top of their head.
When Jesus himself said, the Father is alone the true God.
John 17 verse 1 to 3.
John 20 verse 17.
I go to my Father, your Father, my God, and your God.
The disciple's God is the Father.
He never says, I go to my Father.
But your God is the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
Revelation 3 verse 12.
He's still saying God.
I will make you a pillar to the temple of my God.
He still has a God.
Jesus is the chief cornerstone to the temple of God.
How is he God?
He is made submissive to God himself.
In 1 Corinthians 15 verse 27 to 28.
It's so explicit that Jesus keeps on saying the Father.
Indicates the Father is alone God.
He is God.
Nowhere does he ever indicate himself as God, as the Creator, Jehovah.
The only time you see him as a part of creation is through God.
Through Jesus.
Resurrects us into the new creation.
So it doesn't matter what you say, Tyler.
I wish for the best.
But clearly, you keep on moving.
You're more than welcome to call in if you've got something new.
But as pointless, you're calling in if you're going to come up with this type of
argument.
You keep on moving the goalposts.
Just as Doc E.
Jar moved the goalposts and kept on talking over when I was trying to answer
his question.
Every time I attempt to answer a question, that guy was just letting his mouth just
spew stuff.
I'm literally reading the scripture and you're still talking over the scripture.
It's not even me now.
I'm literally reading the scripture that you wanted me to read and you're still
talking like this.
You've got no respect for the scripture.
Anyway...
I tried my very best to answer the point.
Again, the same nonsense.
Tyler, you literally ran away from a question and you're coming up with this
ignorant point.
God speaks through him.
I do not speak on my own.
It is the Father who commands me what to say.
Deuteronomy 18 verse 15 to 19.
I will raise up a prophet because they won't listen to him.
Let us not hear God's voice anymore.
So he raises up a prophet to speak through.
They're not hearing God's voice.
They are listening to a prophet who speaks on behalf of God.
I will put my words in his mouth.
He will say everything I command him to.
He will come in my name.
So yeah, God is saying if you destroy this body through Jesus, I will raise it up.
Who is the one that raised him up?
Show me one verse other than that because he's talking future tense.
I will do this.
Then show me one verse where he actually did do it.
Still waiting.
Show me one verse.
Jump back in.
Show me one verse where Jesus was the one raising himself.
Not, I will do this because God speaks through him.
Show me where he did raise up himself.
I'll give him a further...
I'll come off in about three, four minutes.
I'm going to give him a chance to call in.
Give a verse where Jesus raised himself.
If he can't do that, his argument is nonsense.
This is why, my friend, you've got to repent.
I'm not talking to you.
You talked over us.
You're not getting onto the stream.
I warned you.
You kept on talking.
I muted you three or four times.
You kept on talking even when you were muted.
And I said, I'm talking because you have no respect.
You talk over scripture.
And I said, if you kept on talking, you're going to get blocked.
You're banned, mate.
You're not coming on.
So, yeah.
Again, I'm waiting for Tyler.
I'm not wasting my time.
Not wasting my time on you.
If Tyler tells me to go over there, which he'll probably do because he wants
to reach...
No,
answer the question.
Look at this, guys.
Look.
I ask him a question.
All he does is ask questions or state things and ignore the question.
Because it's not one scripture at all that says, God the Son.
Nowhere does it say that Jesus is the God creator, Jehovah.
Jehovah God.
Nowhere does it say anything in regards to the question that I imposed to him.
Saying, show me where Yeshua himself raised himself.
Because he said, if this is just Jesus speaking, there should be a verse where
Jesus raised himself.
But there isn't.
He said, I will raise this temple.
Or, I will raise...
Because God's speaking through him.
So again, and now, as soon as I say that, you say, nah, I'm leaving.
Because he's got nothing.
Trinitarianism has got nothing.
I wish for the best for you, Tyler.
I really do.
I want you to come to the truth.
But while you've got these headphones, and they're dumbing out the truth,
and blindfold over your eyes, and you don't want to know the truth, you've got
nothing.
This is now three days in a row where you've literally run away from the
question that I've posed.
The first time we were talking...
I can't even remember the first point, but I know that it started getting heated
for you.
When I asked you, why?
If this is...
He went, is this the Word of God to you?
Yeah.
The Word of God is in the Bible.
Yeah.
Oh, well, is it God?
Well, no.
The Word of God is God.
That's in it.
But it, the Bible, is not God.
The Word in it is God.
And I went...
And he went, yeah, you're right on that.
And I went, okay.
The Word of God is in Jesus.
And Jesus is a man.
That's a created thing.
Is Jesus God?
Well, he's not created.
So he's not the flesh.
He's not the human being that he came as.
Well, yeah, he is.
Is the flesh a created thing?
Yes.
So how is he God?
What if God isn't a created thing?
Now, he's changing his view, like, two days after, saying that it isn't the
case.
And we've got this guy.
This guy here.
The one that kept on talking over.
I need to humble myself.
But the guy literally just mouthed off.
And I had to ban him.
I muted him.
And I said, stop talking over me.
I'm going to have to mute you.
I'm answering your question.
And he's saying I need to humble myself.
Anyway.
Tyler's left.
Again.
The word of God is in this, but this is not God.
It has God in it.
Jesus is not God, but has God in him.
God does the miracles through the man, Jesus Christ.
It is the Father who is God dwelling in Jesus.
I don't know how many times I've got to reiterate these things.
It gets a little bit tedious when people don't answer questions.
But they're more than happy to spew out a lot of the things that they see as if it
proves something.
The other guy was talking all this garbage.
And then Tyler comes in.
And like this other guy who avoided points.
The moment Matt's questions got too hot for him.
On the topic he raised, he leaves instantly without even saying,
look, I've got to go for whatever reason.
But he's more than happy to type in the chat.
Anyway.
I'm going to end now.
Regardless, people won't be able to call in.
So, if you haven't already, subscribe, hit the notification bell, strike the
like, share the content and all the good stuff on the channel.
And I wish for the best for Darkijar.
But yeah, his view and opinion, he didn't want to hear.
So he's not seeking the truth in my opinion.
That's just my view.
I'm not making a judgment.
I'm just saying, I can see the way he was acting.
Constantly talking over me.
All I can say is, hopefully the guy will break free from this mentality of just
speak garbage a lot.
Over people as if it's proven something.
It's not proven anything.
All you're doing is proving that your fruits are rotten.
That you need to speak over people loudly in the way you did.
People can listen to it back and listen to how you were talking.
And you were being basically mocking me.
It doesn't prove anything.
And you avoided questions.
And you were saying that I was taking things out of context.
But when I tried to go to the chapter, I said, you brought up John 14,
15, 16 and 17.
You said, well, John 17 says the father is alone the true God.
Oh, you can't use that verse because it doesn't fit your narrative.
So I'm not wasting my time on Darkage.
I've already banned him.
But what I will say is, I wish him well and hopefully he'll humble himself.
And he'll come around to the truth.
And maybe he'll realize that speaking a lot is not going to help you win an
argument.
All it does is have you go, rah, rah, rah, rah, rah and annoy people.
You got to a point where you were tedious.
I just wanted to ban you.
I wanted to have a proper conversation with you because you were this person that
was talking a load of garbage.
And I'm a rude awakening and discord channel about the Trinity.
And the moment someone steps up to you, you just shout over someone and just kept
on shouting when you are mute.
So I haven't got time to waste on you.
To me, that shows fruits of a swine.
And I wish for the best for you that you can free yourself from that.
In regards to Tyler, my friend, humble yourself.
Answer questions.
You show yourself like three times now.
Every time you ask a question on this show, you typically run.
Or you don't answer.
Or you come up with a thing like, where does it say God is a person?
What's that got to do with anything that you're asked?
Asking a question to answer a question out of context doesn't help you.
And it was the point that you raised and I answered.
I asked you a question on it, you run.
Anyway, be blessed.
Be well.
And until next time, guys.
Peace to you.
Shabbat Shalom.
And I'll see you later.
With that said, I'm out.
And I'll catch you on the next stream tonight.
I'll set up a stream tonight at 10pm, 10.30pm.
And hopefully some people will call in.
If not, it doesn't matter.
I'll just delete the stream after I have no one call in.
Peace.
Shalom.
Be well.
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