WEBVTT 00:14.770 --> 00:17.590 Hello fellow surfers, welcome to Stand On Scripture. 00:17.730 --> 00:18.590 I hope you guys are well. 00:18.730 --> 00:19.370 Shabbat Shalom. 00:19.750 --> 00:27.590 We have, I believe, a Trinitarian, or a Trinitarian with a twist, 00:27.710 --> 00:28.230 as he says. 00:28.970 --> 00:30.670 Maybe he's possibly calling in. 00:30.910 --> 00:33.430 So what I'm going to do is just do the intro. 00:34.290 --> 00:37.630 If you haven't already, subscribe, hit the notification bell, strike a like, 00:37.730 --> 00:39.190 share the content and all the good stuff. 00:39.190 --> 00:44.270 And I'll start up the intro, then I'll put the link in the chat, and all you have to 00:44.270 --> 00:45.030 do is click it. 00:45.390 --> 00:51.170 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Stand On Scripture, the place for Unitarian 00:51.170 --> 00:56.110 Messianic truth, debates, speeches, and much more. 00:56.470 --> 01:01.290 Why not join the congregation by hitting the subscribe button, the like, 01:01.610 --> 01:06.930 share the content, hit the notification bell, and why not check out the links in 01:06.930 --> 01:07.850 the description. 01:08.590 --> 01:13.270 Let's show love, let's show truth, let's stand on scripture. 01:19.100 --> 01:21.280 Okay, just getting the link 01:28.980 --> 01:31.640 headset in. 01:32.400 --> 01:34.860 Might as well keep my one headset down. 01:35.760 --> 01:36.860 Pour out my tea. 01:38.020 --> 01:40.680 And we're just waiting for the guy. 01:40.800 --> 01:49.540 Anyone can join in, but this is a new Trinitarian who said he's going to be 01:49.540 --> 01:50.100 calling in. 01:50.220 --> 01:52.740 So hello, how are you doing Biblical Unitarian? 01:53.180 --> 01:53.780 Hope you're well. 01:55.960 --> 02:06.220 Just waiting for this Trinitarian who tried teaching the Trinity to erode 02:06.220 --> 02:08.380 awakening in the chat. 02:08.740 --> 02:13.420 He's messaged me and apparently he's been put to me. 02:13.840 --> 02:22.980 So I've openly given this opportunity to call in to anyone that watches on TikTok. 02:23.160 --> 02:27.340 By the way, to hear other people in the audio that I'm talking with, you'll have 02:27.340 --> 02:28.140 to watch on YouTube. 02:28.460 --> 02:34.200 But if you just want me to hear my replies, then it's StandOnScripture on 02:34.200 --> 02:34.780 YouTube. 02:35.300 --> 02:39.460 If you're interested, I need to put this link on. 02:40.140 --> 02:45.160 So I'm still waiting for this guy. 02:45.420 --> 02:46.800 I can't find my mic. 02:47.220 --> 02:49.300 Maybe I need to install Chrome. 03:01.020 --> 03:04.920 Okay, just waiting for this person to call in. 03:07.020 --> 03:08.400 How are you guys doing? 03:11.440 --> 03:13.100 Got my herbal tea. 03:17.820 --> 03:19.360 That tastes a bit better now. 03:20.920 --> 03:21.820 Let's see. 04:09.530 --> 04:13.530 The problem is that it says it doesn't have any... 04:35.230 --> 04:36.530 It's talking with this guy. 04:37.170 --> 04:40.810 So just waiting for him to get things sorted. 04:42.970 --> 04:44.510 How's everyone's day been? 04:44.630 --> 04:45.330 I hope it's going well. 04:47.430 --> 04:48.090 Shabbat shalom. 04:52.020 --> 04:52.960 I've tried. 05:09.590 --> 05:10.510 It's hot. 05:10.950 --> 05:11.570 It's hot. 05:14.610 --> 05:16.430 I can't wait until I get a proper fan. 05:16.990 --> 05:21.970 Go get a table fan and then I'll go get another fan. 05:22.570 --> 05:23.690 Hopefully over there. 05:24.070 --> 05:24.950 Too hot, man. 05:28.470 --> 05:34.470 The guy's just setting up the microphone, trying to get the microphone started. 05:34.850 --> 05:39.490 So once he's got that, he said he'll try and get called in. 05:47.700 --> 05:51.360 Just waiting for him to sort things out. 05:57.640 --> 06:01.620 Welcome to people in TikTok and people on YouTube. 06:02.100 --> 06:03.040 Come in and say hello. 06:14.950 --> 06:15.550 Nice. 06:18.010 --> 06:19.450 Did you enjoy your tea dog? 06:37.890 --> 06:39.550 Welcome everyone that's watching. 06:39.710 --> 06:40.550 I hope you're so good. 06:41.030 --> 06:42.070 Having a good day. 06:44.450 --> 06:48.610 Yeah, we're just waiting for this guy to update his Chrome. 06:49.590 --> 06:51.250 He thinks that may be the issue. 07:14.820 --> 07:16.540 Yeah, Tyler was all over the place. 07:17.600 --> 07:28.140 He was saying that God is not the book, the Bible, because the Bible is obviously 07:28.140 --> 07:28.900 a created thing. 07:29.000 --> 07:30.180 God's not a created thing. 07:30.180 --> 07:37.560 And then I went, well, how is he Jesus if Jesus is literally the flesh, the human, 07:37.660 --> 07:38.040 the man? 07:38.600 --> 07:39.600 And it says that in the Bible. 07:42.680 --> 07:46.760 Kind of dug himself a little pit for the Trinity, to be honest. 07:54.200 --> 07:56.240 Okay, I don't think this guy's coming. 07:56.460 --> 07:57.040 I'm not sure. 07:57.660 --> 07:59.400 Oh, we've got an update. 07:59.920 --> 08:00.360 Yeah, coming. 08:00.940 --> 08:02.520 No, it seems to not find it. 08:03.320 --> 08:08.340 Please unplug and plug back in. 08:27.250 --> 08:28.230 Just trying. 08:28.410 --> 08:31.490 I don't know what this guy's problem is. 08:31.590 --> 08:33.370 It's saying it's not picking up his microphone. 08:33.370 --> 08:35.530 I have tracked. 08:40.180 --> 08:41.880 Again and again. 08:45.940 --> 08:46.940 Okay, 08:50.620 --> 08:55.700 so the guy's saying that he's having microphone problems or it's not finding or 08:58.820 --> 08:59.820 whatever. 09:00.620 --> 09:04.160 So if anyone else wants to call in, 09:09.770 --> 09:14.570 you're more welcome to chat up there. 09:15.850 --> 09:16.930 Just click the link. 09:23.800 --> 09:29.340 You can call in via phone on the link also. 09:33.360 --> 09:37.980 I think we're good. 09:46.260 --> 09:48.720 So it looks like he may have the thing. 09:48.960 --> 09:53.640 I've got my boxers scrolling up my leg and it's getting uncomfortable. 09:53.940 --> 09:54.800 Just one second. 09:56.400 --> 09:57.780 I'm sure it's this chair, you know. 10:01.450 --> 10:04.330 So if he clicks the link, it'll tune in. 10:04.730 --> 10:05.830 So there we are. 10:05.950 --> 10:06.230 Hello. 10:06.790 --> 10:07.050 Hello. 10:07.730 --> 10:11.590 Oh, apparently it seems like something's going on, but can I? 10:11.970 --> 10:13.090 No, you're not going through. 10:13.650 --> 10:14.870 Why are you not going through? 10:15.670 --> 10:16.910 You can hear me, right? 10:16.910 --> 10:18.310 Yeah, I can hear you. 10:18.470 --> 10:19.630 Yeah, but I can't hear you. 10:19.730 --> 10:20.230 Why can't I? 10:20.310 --> 10:22.230 You know, it's just problem after problem here. 10:23.350 --> 10:26.110 Cam, start, mute, start cam, no cam. 10:27.390 --> 10:29.090 See here, speaker. 10:29.310 --> 10:30.390 Let's try another one here. 10:30.690 --> 10:31.030 Test. 10:31.350 --> 10:32.110 What's the problem? 10:32.710 --> 10:33.750 Oh, are you there? 10:34.070 --> 10:34.970 Yeah, I can hear you. 10:35.310 --> 10:36.390 Oh, finally. 10:38.450 --> 10:40.830 Wow, that was a tough one. 10:41.730 --> 10:42.230 There we go. 10:43.130 --> 10:45.310 Do you want to tell the people what you believe? 10:46.910 --> 10:48.630 In regards of the Godhead? 10:49.570 --> 10:54.670 Just anything like your religion, like what religion do you follow or what 10:54.670 --> 10:55.670 belief do you follow? 10:56.330 --> 11:01.110 Well, I'm a Christian overall, I would proclaim myself a Protestant. 11:02.450 --> 11:03.670 What do you call it? 11:03.670 --> 11:06.130 One that believes in the millennium here on earth. 11:07.990 --> 11:12.970 Following in regards of the festivals to my best ability in regards of those found 11:12.970 --> 11:18.190 in the I believe those are the Christian festivals and not those pagan festivals in 11:18.190 --> 11:20.390 regards of Rome that we have. 11:22.190 --> 11:29.610 I came out of the occult many years ago, having contact with demons and going into 11:29.610 --> 11:33.890 all these nonsense doctrines and came out of it. 11:35.550 --> 11:38.950 Any specific things you want to know? 11:38.950 --> 11:40.190 What's your view on the Trinity? 11:41.430 --> 11:45.590 Well, in regards to the Trinity, of course, I've been accused for following 11:45.590 --> 11:47.870 popish doctrine in regards to that. 11:48.290 --> 11:50.990 But I didn't get it from the Pope, you know, as I call him. 11:51.310 --> 11:54.150 We're not to call anyone father on earth. 11:54.250 --> 11:56.130 And of course, Pope means father and all that. 11:56.670 --> 12:02.310 But anyway, but I was reading the first year turning around and getting out of 12:02.310 --> 12:05.350 Satan's candy shop, as I call it, you know, the broad way to destruction. 12:06.230 --> 12:10.170 I was using the first year of reading the New Testament pretty much. 12:10.850 --> 12:12.790 And at first I had contact with the Mormons. 12:13.370 --> 12:16.350 And of course, they want to have you read the Book of Mormon instead of the Bible. 12:16.590 --> 12:21.570 And then I had contact with the so-called Jehovah's Witnesses, which I call the 12:21.570 --> 12:22.330 false witnesses. 12:23.650 --> 12:29.090 But at that point on a Sabbath, I figured out that Jesus was God and I was 12:29.090 --> 12:31.550 just like high in heaven in some sense. 12:31.810 --> 12:36.710 And I had a meeting with these so-called Jehovah's Witnesses, not knowing that they 12:36.710 --> 12:37.750 didn't believe that. 12:38.250 --> 12:40.710 So, and I was like ecstatic when I came over. 12:40.830 --> 12:43.710 I had a main guy and there was another guy with him. 12:43.750 --> 12:44.770 And I came over to them. 12:44.850 --> 12:47.790 I was like, hey, I found out that Jesus is God and all that. 12:47.950 --> 12:51.770 And they were just looking at me like, you know, that they had seen a ghost or 12:51.770 --> 12:52.670 something like that. 12:52.930 --> 12:56.330 And then, of course, I found out that the so-called Jehovah's Witnesses are pretty 12:56.330 --> 13:00.230 much trained to deny Jesus, you know, in regards to being Jehovah. 13:00.570 --> 13:04.490 They see it as blasphemy to say that Jesus is Jehovah. 13:06.570 --> 13:11.830 So, so I had contact with them sometime and found out that it really didn't, 13:11.950 --> 13:14.910 you know, we didn't really get anywhere in regards to that. 13:15.350 --> 13:23.190 Then, of course, I was in Israel two times and I found people as well proclaiming 13:23.190 --> 13:24.070 themselves Christians. 13:24.070 --> 13:26.010 Yet I got a lot of hatred from them. 13:26.090 --> 13:31.650 I had a T-shirt on the second time where it said, you know, Jesus is Jehovah and 13:31.650 --> 13:33.410 walking around with that in Jerusalem. 13:34.050 --> 13:38.010 And really, you know, the most hatred I really got was seemingly from, 13:38.110 --> 13:39.610 from proclaimed Christians. 13:39.970 --> 13:43.810 I didn't really get, you know, Jews usually came up and asked me in 13:43.810 --> 13:48.730 regards, you know, saying that we don't say the name of Jehovah in Israel or 13:48.730 --> 13:49.590 anything like that. 13:49.610 --> 13:52.170 And it's only for the high priest and so forth. 13:52.310 --> 13:56.830 And then I would, you know, tell them, well, you know, rude, too far, 13:57.010 --> 14:02.650 I think it is in regards of Boaz coming and using the name and then they say back, 14:02.810 --> 14:05.610 you know, may Jehovah be with you or may Jehovah bless you. 14:05.690 --> 14:11.870 You know, they, they use the name clearly, you know, and... So if you, if you were to 14:11.870 --> 14:18.910 find out that Jesus Yeshua is not God, what would that do for you? 14:18.970 --> 14:24.590 Would that affect your faith or would that help? 14:24.890 --> 14:26.530 What would that be like for you? 14:26.630 --> 14:29.750 Because obviously I don't want to, if I was to show you the truth, 14:29.850 --> 14:34.370 I don't want you feeling that that's affecting your faith, but only enforcing 14:34.370 --> 14:36.330 it, giving you understanding to it more. 14:37.510 --> 14:38.930 Again, the last thing again. 14:39.350 --> 14:44.870 So basically I don't want to destroy you having faith in obviously the Messiah. 14:45.410 --> 14:53.050 But what I'm trying to say is if you found out that Jesus isn't Jehovah, what would 14:53.050 --> 14:53.850 that do for you? 14:53.930 --> 14:58.430 Because I don't want to be the one like that maybe puts an issue before you and 14:58.430 --> 15:02.550 make you not believe because... Well, I don't think it's, it's, it's possible 15:02.550 --> 15:07.570 to, to really go in the direction of Jesus not being God because it's just everywhere 15:07.570 --> 15:08.270 in scripture. 15:08.630 --> 15:13.710 So it's, it's, it's not, you know, well, we can, we can, we can disagree on 15:13.710 --> 15:17.090 that, but I think it's pretty clear, you know, that he is. 15:17.510 --> 15:22.890 And if you take, for example, but where, where does it say that Jesus is, 15:22.970 --> 15:28.290 is God almighty, you know, of course, Jesus proclaimed himself the first and the 15:28.290 --> 15:31.650 last, you know, who was dead and now is alive forevermore. 15:32.050 --> 15:36.270 And of course the title of first and last, of course, is used by Jehovah himself. 15:36.470 --> 15:39.470 And of course, you see Jesus all throughout scripture from the very 15:39.470 --> 15:39.830 beginning. 15:40.710 --> 15:43.510 Let's try and stick to like one point at a time. 15:43.630 --> 15:48.070 So the first and last, you do realize that he says we can be the first and last as 15:48.070 --> 15:48.310 well. 15:48.890 --> 15:52.610 When the disciples were arguing among themselves, who's going to be the greatest 15:52.610 --> 15:57.110 and Yeshua said, why do you argue for who's going to be first? 15:57.210 --> 15:59.510 For you to be the first, you have to be the last. 15:59.630 --> 16:03.070 Yeah, but that's not the same in regards of the first and the last. 16:04.230 --> 16:09.710 You know, Jesus is the greatest, Jesus was the greatest servant and he's 16:09.710 --> 16:10.610 the greatest King. 16:11.030 --> 16:12.390 So it's exactly the same thing. 16:12.850 --> 16:13.610 No, no, no. 16:13.670 --> 16:17.550 But of course Jesus is, you know, he's always doing what the, the father's 16:17.550 --> 16:21.210 will and all that, but that doesn't take away his divinity in regards of being 16:21.210 --> 16:21.610 Jehovah. 16:22.310 --> 16:25.590 If you, you know, a quotation, now that's not from the Bible, 16:25.590 --> 16:29.690 but if you take, for example, the Jewish Josephus, I was reading something in 16:29.690 --> 16:34.550 regards to when I was researching Gehenna and regards of the realm of the dead and 16:34.550 --> 16:37.850 regards of Sheol and Hades and all that, and trying to figure out that there's two 16:37.850 --> 16:38.890 entities and all that. 16:40.010 --> 16:44.050 But in any case, one of the quotations from Josephus, he talks about, 16:44.110 --> 16:46.350 you know, God and God, the word. 16:46.710 --> 16:50.110 And that's usually a quotation that you don't hear from the scholars. 16:50.230 --> 16:52.530 They usually, what do you call it? 16:52.550 --> 16:58.650 Talk about those two in regards of where Josephus is seemingly quoting or talking, 16:58.830 --> 17:00.750 not quoting, but talking about Jesus. 17:01.350 --> 17:05.970 But usually scholars don't talk about the one that I found when I was reading. 17:06.330 --> 17:10.910 I'll just, you know, for all men, the just as well as the unjust shall be 17:10.910 --> 17:15.150 brought before God the word for to him had the father committed all judgment and he, 17:15.250 --> 17:19.470 in order to fulfill the will of his father shall come as judge whom we call Christ. 17:19.790 --> 17:24.670 And that's from Josephus, first century historian and Jew adopted as a Roman 17:24.670 --> 17:25.150 citizen. 17:25.630 --> 17:29.890 And that's one of the places again, where you see, you know, this plurality, 17:30.110 --> 17:33.710 but singularity, you know, it's like the Mohammedans. 17:33.950 --> 17:38.290 Mohammedans believe in an absolute singular God, but the Bible have a plural 17:38.290 --> 17:39.290 singular God. 17:39.430 --> 17:42.690 You have Elohim in Hebrew meaning, you know, it's plural. 17:43.150 --> 17:44.310 And you have it from the very beginning. 17:44.830 --> 17:46.050 Let's stick to that as well. 17:46.310 --> 17:47.270 Like that as a topic. 17:48.650 --> 17:50.270 Elohim, is it always a plural? 17:51.410 --> 17:55.370 Well, it's when, when you, when you see it, it's sometimes translated as, 17:55.490 --> 17:58.410 you know, in the English translation, sometimes it's translated as plural and 17:58.410 --> 17:59.290 sometimes it's not. 17:59.670 --> 18:01.890 But when you see it from the very, what? 18:02.370 --> 18:03.450 So then it's not a plural. 18:04.150 --> 18:07.570 Well, not just because they, they translate it, not plural. 18:07.750 --> 18:09.170 It doesn't say it's not plural. 18:09.470 --> 18:11.210 That's not my point. 18:11.390 --> 18:14.070 For example, it's Moses plural persons. 18:15.950 --> 18:19.570 Now you think in regards of Elohim being used for Moses. 18:20.750 --> 18:23.610 Also Dagon, a pagan God, which is a singular. 18:23.850 --> 18:25.410 It depends on the context. 18:25.690 --> 18:25.870 Yeah. 18:26.750 --> 18:30.190 It's sometimes used. 18:30.410 --> 18:34.290 I don't know why it's not louder in regards of, of you when you're speaking, 18:34.490 --> 18:37.230 but I can't make it louder in my ear apparently. 18:37.950 --> 18:38.690 Is that better? 18:40.430 --> 18:41.690 I've turned up my microphone. 18:42.290 --> 18:46.690 A little, but it's, it's, it, I don't know if it's my equipment or something like 18:46.690 --> 18:49.530 that, but you are not at least not that loud, but you know, okay. 18:50.310 --> 18:50.950 But yeah. 18:51.830 --> 18:55.070 But I, you know, as you know, you see it from the very beginning, as far as I can 18:55.070 --> 18:59.710 see, you see, you know, when the, when, when the spirit of the gods are 18:59.710 --> 19:02.890 hovering over the waters, you see it, you see it in regards of when the God 19:02.890 --> 19:05.370 said, let us make man in our image and our likeness. 19:06.210 --> 19:08.330 You see it as, see it as well. 19:08.610 --> 19:14.530 You have the Elohim in context, depending on who was talking about as a 19:14.530 --> 19:15.830 singular, it can be a plural. 19:16.250 --> 19:20.870 For example, it can be a plural, but in regards to Yehovah, Yehovah is 19:20.870 --> 19:24.070 found as an I, Ani, Anoki, Wa'ani. 19:24.730 --> 19:26.010 I am Yehovah. 19:26.190 --> 19:27.970 There is no other God, but me. 19:28.370 --> 19:32.670 So contextually Yehovah is one, not three in one. 19:32.930 --> 19:37.930 But it's, it's, it's the same thing with Yehovah, Elohenu, Yehovah is one. 19:37.990 --> 19:45.530 You know, you know, Israel, Israel, Yehovah, Yehovah, our God, plural, 19:45.770 --> 19:46.630 Yehovah is one. 19:46.770 --> 19:49.310 Jesus is saying the same thing. 19:49.730 --> 19:53.670 Me and my father are one and the Jews understood him and they wanted to stone 19:53.670 --> 19:53.790 him. 19:53.990 --> 19:55.710 We are one with him as well. 19:55.810 --> 19:56.250 Yeah. 19:56.350 --> 20:00.030 We're actually, we're going from death to life by being in the living God. 20:00.310 --> 20:03.890 Just stick to the Deuteronomy 6.4 that you were saying there. 20:04.150 --> 20:05.250 It doesn't say Gods. 20:05.670 --> 20:12.370 It says Yehovah Elohim, Yehovah Echad, because Yehovah is one person. 20:12.570 --> 20:15.450 So the context is one, not Gods. 20:16.610 --> 20:23.250 Yehovah Elohenu, Elohenu, our God, plural, our God, plural. 20:23.250 --> 20:26.670 And then it goes Yehovah Echad, being that they are one. 20:27.010 --> 20:28.990 It's a plural singular God. 20:29.230 --> 20:30.050 One second, one second. 20:30.470 --> 20:32.870 Why does it say they are plural singular? 20:33.010 --> 20:40.590 Because Echad is used in regards to the King of Jericho, Echad. 20:40.590 --> 20:44.110 So is the King of Jericho, Echad. 20:44.290 --> 20:49.230 So is the King of Jericho, three persons in one or the King of Jerusalem, 20:49.490 --> 20:51.550 Echad, the King of Ai, Echad. 20:51.650 --> 20:53.230 I can try and bring up that verse. 20:55.250 --> 20:59.990 Yeah, but just if you go back to the very beginning in regards to when the Gods 20:59.990 --> 21:04.250 created mankind, usually they translate it as God, but then you have three other 21:04.250 --> 21:09.390 plural words, you know, in regards to... I'll pull this up on the screen. 21:10.470 --> 21:15.270 I'll pull this up on the screen where Echad is used in due to the singular 21:15.270 --> 21:19.910 Joshua 12 verse 9. 21:19.910 --> 21:24.710 It says the King of Jericho, one. 21:25.030 --> 21:28.430 The King of Ai, which is Neabethel, one. 21:28.530 --> 21:30.230 The King of Jerusalem, one. 21:30.350 --> 21:31.910 The King of Hebron, one. 21:32.270 --> 21:36.170 Now if we go to the Strong's Concordance, that one is literally Echad. 21:36.610 --> 21:40.110 So it's the King of Jericho, one, Echad. 21:40.790 --> 21:45.510 So is this person three persons in one or plural persons in one? 21:46.610 --> 21:49.810 No, but you know, you still have to take the context of things. 21:50.270 --> 21:50.590 Exactly. 21:50.810 --> 21:56.130 So when it says Jehovah, who speaks in a singular, Jehovah, Echad, it's literally 21:56.130 --> 21:59.950 the same context to Jericho, the King of Jericho, Echad. 22:01.450 --> 22:05.150 No, I think you're missing a lot of pieces here in regards to the Bible. 22:05.950 --> 22:11.970 But again, if you take the first thing where Jehovah is creating us, we have 22:11.970 --> 22:16.490 three plural terms that is usually accepted as translated as plural in the 22:16.490 --> 22:17.110 Hebrew, right? 22:17.470 --> 22:22.070 And then you have the last one that is translated singular, but it's actually 22:22.070 --> 22:23.230 plural in the Hebrew. 22:23.450 --> 22:27.190 So why don't, why do you have a singular where it's actually plural in the Hebrew, 22:27.270 --> 22:29.530 and then you actually have the three plural terms afterwards? 22:29.890 --> 22:33.330 And of course, we are made in the image of Jesus, of course, because he was there 22:33.330 --> 22:33.910 from the beginning. 22:34.170 --> 22:38.350 No, we're created in the new creation, the resurrection through Jesus. 22:39.130 --> 22:44.010 But, and it also says that he is a man, but let's stick with the... 22:44.010 --> 22:49.530 Yeah, you know, Jehovah is a man of war, you know, Jehovah is a man of war. 22:49.710 --> 22:55.930 The only time, yeah, and yeah, not Adam, yeah, Ish, which is... 22:55.930 --> 22:59.510 An Ish, a man, you know, because Jesus was the one that took the Egyptians out of 22:59.510 --> 22:59.870 Israel. 23:00.110 --> 23:00.730 I'm sorry, Egypt. 23:01.250 --> 23:02.470 One second, it's metaphorical. 23:02.650 --> 23:06.050 Jesus, Jesus was the angel in the, in the fire pillar. 23:06.850 --> 23:07.650 Can you listen? 23:08.390 --> 23:10.150 Because you have a lot, but you're not listening. 23:10.810 --> 23:14.790 You brought up the four plurals in the Bible. 23:15.110 --> 23:20.750 Now, can you show me one place in, let's stick to Genesis 1, 26. 23:21.290 --> 23:25.130 Can you show me where it says that that pluralness is God, is a plural? 23:26.570 --> 23:29.450 And it's a plural, it's Elohim, it's plural by standard. 23:29.750 --> 23:30.250 No, it's not. 23:30.730 --> 23:34.130 And you have, you have three other plural terms in the same sentence. 23:34.210 --> 23:38.050 And so if you're going to translate the three others as plurals, why not the last 23:38.050 --> 23:38.350 one? 23:38.970 --> 23:42.130 I think that's a kind of dishonest by the translators. 23:42.690 --> 23:43.950 You're not answering my question. 23:44.190 --> 23:46.870 Firstly, there's four plurals in the Bible. 23:47.210 --> 23:47.830 They're ambiguous. 23:48.470 --> 23:48.930 For example... 23:50.690 --> 23:52.590 Ambiguous, what do you mean by ambiguous? 23:52.950 --> 23:58.690 Ambiguous means, say, for example, if I say in Genesis 1, 26, let us make man 23:58.690 --> 23:59.690 in our image. 23:59.870 --> 24:02.470 It doesn't say who the us is or the our. 24:02.470 --> 24:05.210 Well, the us, of course, is in regards of Jehovah. 24:05.790 --> 24:07.630 I'm giving you notes now. 24:07.830 --> 24:08.850 It doesn't say who it is. 24:09.110 --> 24:10.250 Show me where it says Jehovah. 24:10.970 --> 24:10.970 That's God. 24:10.970 --> 24:11.530 That's God. 24:12.250 --> 24:13.510 It says Elohim. 24:13.670 --> 24:15.670 That's God that is creating us in our image. 24:16.390 --> 24:18.770 Can I finish in a sentence without interrupting, please? 24:18.890 --> 24:19.930 Yeah, but you're wrong. 24:20.110 --> 24:21.510 No, you're wrong. 24:21.510 --> 24:21.950 You're wrong. 24:22.590 --> 24:23.450 Yes, you are. 24:23.730 --> 24:28.230 I'm trying to say what I'm saying, but you're talking over because you don't 24:28.230 --> 24:28.930 want to hear the truth. 24:29.550 --> 24:30.270 But no, no, no, no. 24:30.270 --> 24:31.270 But I don't think it's the truth. 24:31.270 --> 24:34.950 Do you know the Bible says don't cast your pills before swine? 24:35.030 --> 24:37.170 You're acting like that because you don't want to hear the truth. 24:37.650 --> 24:38.650 I was listening to you. 24:38.850 --> 24:40.910 You brought up many points and you spoke for a while. 24:41.350 --> 24:44.550 And every time I'm trying to talk, it's almost like there's something in you 24:44.550 --> 24:45.890 stopping you from wanting to learn. 24:47.010 --> 24:53.170 The reason that it's ambiguous is because it says let us make man in our image after 24:53.170 --> 24:53.970 our likeness. 24:54.070 --> 24:58.450 But it goes right back to a singular because God is the singular. 24:58.450 --> 25:02.150 He made man in his image after his likeness. 25:02.910 --> 25:09.770 But in Genesis 2 verse 7, God is the one who forms us from the earth. 25:10.010 --> 25:15.470 There's two parts, a body, a physical body, the forming of a body for man, 25:15.710 --> 25:17.810 and the spirit of God, which is the breath. 25:18.310 --> 25:19.230 There's two parts. 25:19.690 --> 25:21.170 Now, you've got to show anywhere. 25:22.530 --> 25:27.970 You've got to show that, yeah, the body, soul and spirit. 25:27.970 --> 25:29.530 You know, body, soul and spirit. 25:30.030 --> 25:30.510 No, no. 25:33.670 --> 25:35.530 It doesn't say a body, soul and spirit. 25:36.090 --> 25:38.270 It's the spirit in regards to the breath of life. 25:38.370 --> 25:40.430 And then you have the soul in regards to the program cone. 25:40.470 --> 25:42.590 And then you have the body as the interface, pretty much. 25:42.610 --> 25:47.270 No, you've got the body that is formed from the dust. 25:47.490 --> 25:47.850 Yep. 25:47.950 --> 25:52.590 And you've got the breath of life, which makes that person a living soul. 25:52.710 --> 25:53.810 Yeah, so it's not three parts. 25:53.910 --> 25:55.110 It's two parts that make up one. 25:55.110 --> 25:59.070 But, you know, when you die in regards of your body decomposes and all that, 25:59.130 --> 25:59.970 the soul is still there. 26:00.010 --> 26:02.250 The program code is still there awaiting the resurrection. 26:02.690 --> 26:05.670 And of course, the spirit, the breath of life goes out for a while. 26:05.810 --> 26:10.550 And then we're awaiting the, you know, resurrection to either everlasting life or 26:10.550 --> 26:11.270 eternal death. 26:11.550 --> 26:13.110 Yeah, but it's still two parts. 26:13.390 --> 26:15.310 It's the body and the spirit. 26:15.610 --> 26:16.870 No, it's the body and the spirit. 26:17.030 --> 26:23.850 I mean, John, pull this up since you're ignoring everything I'm saying. 26:24.410 --> 26:25.570 No, I'm just... 26:25.570 --> 26:26.270 No, I'm going to show you. 26:26.290 --> 26:30.310 I'm going to show you scripturally that you're ignoring because it doesn't say 26:30.310 --> 26:30.510 that. 26:30.810 --> 26:35.770 It says the body and the breath, or the spirit, sorry, the soul. 26:36.250 --> 26:41.130 Yeah, but I'm just taking it in the Bible, in regards of just quoting... 26:41.910 --> 26:42.310 One second. 26:43.570 --> 26:48.090 Jehovah God formed man from the dust of the ground. 26:48.290 --> 26:48.910 There's the body. 26:49.150 --> 26:49.510 Yes. 26:49.510 --> 26:51.910 And breathed the breath into... 26:52.650 --> 26:54.550 So it became a living being, a living soul. 26:54.730 --> 26:57.190 You know, you have the program coming alive. 26:57.210 --> 26:57.470 Excuse me. 26:58.010 --> 27:02.390 Why is it Trinitowns have absolutely no respect for when people are reading the 27:02.390 --> 27:04.230 Scripture and you're just talking over the Scripture now? 27:04.570 --> 27:08.530 I guess it's just because I've heard these things so many times. 27:08.690 --> 27:09.530 You know, it's just... 27:09.530 --> 27:10.530 What am I going to say? 27:10.670 --> 27:13.830 What am I going to say? 27:13.930 --> 27:16.150 If you've heard what I'm going to say so many times... 27:16.750 --> 27:18.290 Yeah, the argument. 27:18.610 --> 27:19.690 And by the way, God... 27:20.910 --> 27:22.430 Sorry, excuse me. 27:22.490 --> 27:24.110 Stop going off topic, please. 27:24.570 --> 27:25.650 I've asked you a question. 27:26.090 --> 27:30.010 Tell me what I am going to say since you've heard it so many times. 27:30.310 --> 27:32.150 I don't know what you're going to say, but... 27:32.150 --> 27:35.670 So you've heard my argument so many times, but you don't know what I'm going to say. 27:35.670 --> 27:39.370 Yeah, but I don't know what you will pick forward for it, you know? 27:40.910 --> 27:42.670 Excuse me, excuse me. 27:42.950 --> 27:43.990 Have some respect. 27:44.350 --> 27:45.330 Let's take this calmly. 27:45.330 --> 27:50.750 You're saying you've heard my argument many times, but you've literally not said 27:50.750 --> 27:51.450 what I'm going to say. 27:51.550 --> 27:54.890 If you've heard what I'm going to say, then you should be able to say the 27:54.890 --> 27:56.010 argument that I'm going to say. 27:56.050 --> 27:59.410 But you're just taking one quote instead of taking the whole Bible as a whole. 27:59.870 --> 28:03.570 And you can take quotations here and there just to form your own opinion. 28:03.890 --> 28:05.690 No, I haven't even finished what I'm saying. 28:05.890 --> 28:06.250 So you don't know what I'm going to say. 28:06.250 --> 28:08.450 The Satanists are doing that all the time, you know? 28:08.510 --> 28:09.390 They use the Bible. 28:09.510 --> 28:12.830 You don't know what I'm going to say because you're being rude and cutting me 28:12.830 --> 28:15.750 off to even hear anything because you've got a spirit in you. 28:15.850 --> 28:17.290 That's not wanting you to learn the truth. 28:18.870 --> 28:23.710 By the way, the word God here, translated God, is probably the plural 28:23.710 --> 28:24.850 Elohim, right? 28:25.170 --> 28:25.670 No, it's not. 28:26.310 --> 28:26.850 Are you sure? 28:27.410 --> 28:28.370 Elohim is a uniplural. 28:28.510 --> 28:30.450 It can be a singular and plural. 28:30.450 --> 28:34.910 But the translation where they translated as God here is still the word Elohim, 28:34.970 --> 28:35.210 right? 28:35.350 --> 28:36.670 No, it's not a plural. 28:38.210 --> 28:40.150 But it's still the Hebrew, right? 28:40.470 --> 28:40.910 Elohim. 28:41.550 --> 28:45.570 I'm going to... since you're not listening to me, I'm going to bring out the big guns 28:45.570 --> 28:47.850 and prove that Jesus is not God outright. 28:48.410 --> 28:49.070 But He is God. 28:49.210 --> 28:51.470 You can't prove it because Jesus is God. 28:52.770 --> 28:54.590 You just need to listen to Jesus. 28:54.770 --> 28:57.670 I'm going to show you what Jesus has said Himself. 28:58.310 --> 29:03.010 You can go to John 14, 15, 16 and 17, where He explains it all. 29:03.330 --> 29:05.510 That's the most concentrated place in the Bible. 29:05.870 --> 29:07.170 You are very rude, my friend. 29:07.350 --> 29:08.970 Are you going to listen to my point? 29:08.970 --> 29:09.870 Are you going to hear? 29:11.510 --> 29:14.850 You've not heard what I said in regards to Genesis 2. 29:15.050 --> 29:19.150 Because you don't want to prove that Jesus is not God, but He is God. 29:19.490 --> 29:20.910 There's no way of going around it. 29:20.910 --> 29:26.450 If you have any stance of morals to listen to someone speaking and not talk over, 29:26.530 --> 29:28.510 because it shows that your belief is crumbling. 29:29.070 --> 29:33.330 You literally got people watching and your belief is crumbling. 29:34.850 --> 29:37.710 No, it's not crumbling because Jesus is God. 29:37.710 --> 29:39.290 You're not going to change it. 29:39.550 --> 29:41.390 If you believe that, excuse me. 29:41.910 --> 29:44.730 I will mute you if you're going to continue to talk over. 29:45.970 --> 29:46.430 Stop. 29:47.010 --> 29:54.130 If your faith is so steady, unable to be moved, then you should be able to listen 29:54.130 --> 29:56.950 to a point without interrupting every two seconds. 29:57.270 --> 30:01.150 Okay, so we're going to look at Acts 2, verse 22. 30:01.910 --> 30:06.530 Because it clearly shows that this is that the disabled are writing it down. 30:07.110 --> 30:10.090 Men of Israel, listen to these words. 30:10.590 --> 30:17.730 Jesus, the Nazarene, a man, not God, a man, attested to you by God. 30:17.990 --> 30:20.610 So he's attested to you by God. 30:20.610 --> 30:21.310 Yes, by the Father. 30:21.610 --> 30:23.450 The Son attested by the Father, of course. 30:24.370 --> 30:24.670 By the Father, yeah. 30:25.690 --> 30:28.370 You're interrupting again on the scripture. 30:29.250 --> 30:33.550 With the miracles and wonders which God did. 30:33.770 --> 30:34.590 Not Jesus did. 30:34.770 --> 30:36.230 God did through him. 30:36.530 --> 30:40.910 As God performed through him in your midst. 30:42.910 --> 30:46.830 God did the miracles, wonders, and signs through the man, Jesus Christ. 30:47.850 --> 30:48.970 Yeah, so he's not God. 30:49.330 --> 30:50.030 God is God. 30:50.090 --> 30:50.790 Of course, he's God. 30:50.890 --> 30:52.010 He's got the word. 30:52.430 --> 30:55.410 He's Jehovah, the word that was sent by Jehovah from the heavens. 30:55.590 --> 30:57.370 And he died for the sins of the world on the tree. 30:57.490 --> 30:59.270 You're avoiding the same point, Acts 2. 30:59.270 --> 31:03.530 No, no, no, you're just taking it out of, you know, you need to take the whole Bible 31:03.530 --> 31:04.310 in context. 31:04.310 --> 31:07.610 And you can just go to John 14, 15, 16, and 17. 31:07.810 --> 31:09.650 That's the most concentrated place. 31:10.090 --> 31:10.530 Yep. 31:10.830 --> 31:12.810 John 14, 15, 16, and 17. 31:13.090 --> 31:17.030 That's the most concentrated place where our master speaks himself. 31:18.490 --> 31:19.450 14, 14, 14. 31:19.450 --> 31:21.030 No, you said 14, 15, 16, and 17. 31:21.030 --> 31:23.490 It's chapter 14, 15, 16, and 17. 31:23.590 --> 31:25.350 I'm going to show you another point inside. 31:25.350 --> 31:28.690 Why are you going to John 14 if we start with 14? 31:28.890 --> 31:33.310 No, I'm not going to the chapters I'm proving to you where Jesus himself says 31:33.310 --> 31:34.030 that he's not God. 31:34.790 --> 31:37.730 But you're going to 17 instead of 14. 31:37.830 --> 31:38.290 What's the matter? 31:38.630 --> 31:39.970 You're picking and choosing. 31:41.430 --> 31:43.270 I will go to different ones. 31:44.730 --> 31:48.790 You've got no respect at all. 31:49.090 --> 31:51.090 I'm going to where I want to go. 31:51.290 --> 31:52.330 You can make your point. 31:52.550 --> 31:56.010 But since you're ignoring everything, I'm sure that Jesus is a man. 31:56.670 --> 32:00.110 Of course, he's a man, but he's the God man. 32:00.110 --> 32:04.450 He's the word that was made flesh and walked among his own. 32:05.810 --> 32:06.550 That's the thing. 32:06.650 --> 32:08.630 Jehovah sent Jehovah into the world. 32:09.070 --> 32:10.290 The word became flesh. 32:10.410 --> 32:12.990 The word that everything was created through. 32:13.650 --> 32:14.830 Jesus is not created. 32:14.950 --> 32:15.850 He's the creator. 32:16.210 --> 32:18.310 Everything was created through the word. 32:20.170 --> 32:22.790 You're not taking the Bible in context. 32:23.110 --> 32:27.510 You can pick and choose whatever, but it doesn't change that Jesus is God 32:27.510 --> 32:28.170 Almighty Jehovah. 32:28.870 --> 32:30.090 You've got five sentences. 32:30.350 --> 32:32.450 Stop talking and have some respect or you're going to get muted. 32:32.610 --> 32:34.710 Because you're just screaming and shouting over me. 32:34.830 --> 32:36.310 I'm just telling you the truth. 32:36.530 --> 32:36.990 No, you're not. 32:39.990 --> 32:44.170 And if we look at it in regards to Michael Rood, I don't understand why you people 32:44.170 --> 32:47.730 are tagging him on that doctrine, because he's believing the same thing as I 32:47.730 --> 32:48.350 am. 32:48.350 --> 32:50.510 You notice how he's going off on a thing. 32:50.770 --> 32:51.930 No, he doesn't. 32:51.930 --> 32:52.490 Yes, he does. 32:52.490 --> 32:56.030 I've seen a video where he says we believe only the Father is God. 32:56.130 --> 32:56.770 I've listened to him. 32:56.770 --> 32:58.470 No, no, no, no, no, no. 33:00.990 --> 33:05.070 But of course he's saying the Son is not the Father because the Son is not the 33:05.070 --> 33:05.310 Father. 33:05.890 --> 33:08.630 The Father is in the Son and the Son is in the Father. 33:09.210 --> 33:11.450 Okay, since you keep on interrupting me. 33:11.570 --> 33:16.050 Notice how he's literally cut me off and keeps on talking about Michael Rood. 33:16.190 --> 33:20.550 Okay, I've literally seen a video where Michael Rood said the Father is God alone. 33:20.770 --> 33:23.470 And now he's changing things and he's moving the goalposts. 33:23.470 --> 33:25.450 This is Trinitarianism 101 for you. 33:25.450 --> 33:31.670 Now, I'm going to read the scripture which you said go to John 14, 15, or 16, 33:31.730 --> 33:32.190 or 17. 33:32.470 --> 33:34.390 And I'm at John 17. 33:34.790 --> 33:37.050 This is where Jesus himself spoke. 33:37.170 --> 33:39.670 So maybe you'll have some respect and hear what Jesus said. 33:40.290 --> 33:42.450 John 17, verse 1 to 3. 33:42.710 --> 33:46.630 Jesus spoke these things and raised his eyes to heaven. 33:46.910 --> 33:49.170 He said, Father, the hour has come. 33:49.390 --> 33:52.050 Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. 33:52.050 --> 33:57.410 Just as you have given him authority over all mankind. 33:57.770 --> 34:03.970 So that to all whom you have given him, he, talking about Jesus, may give eternal 34:03.970 --> 34:04.270 life. 34:04.570 --> 34:05.910 And this is eternal life. 34:05.970 --> 34:06.790 So what is eternal life? 34:07.330 --> 34:12.770 That they may know you are alone, or only, the true God. 34:12.910 --> 34:15.510 So you, the Father, are alone, the true God. 34:15.690 --> 34:18.170 And Jesus is your Messiah, which you have sent. 34:18.170 --> 34:22.770 So, Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. 34:22.950 --> 34:23.510 Jesus Christ. 34:23.650 --> 34:24.430 Jesus, the Messiah. 34:24.630 --> 34:26.150 Christ means anointed one. 34:26.290 --> 34:26.630 Yes. 34:27.370 --> 34:30.750 That they know you alone are the true God. 34:30.950 --> 34:33.430 And Jesus is the Christ who you have sent. 34:33.850 --> 34:35.130 Who is the only true God? 34:35.530 --> 34:39.670 In Greek, it is monos, or monon, alone, definition. 34:42.390 --> 34:44.050 What, do I have the speaker again? 34:44.430 --> 34:44.970 Yeah, go on. 34:45.610 --> 34:46.290 Oh, I'm here. 34:46.410 --> 34:46.710 Okay. 34:46.710 --> 34:50.530 Again, can you, can you just, again, give me it again? 34:51.070 --> 34:56.010 So this verse, these passages here, clearly say that the Father is alone, 34:56.130 --> 34:56.970 the true God. 34:57.110 --> 34:59.830 Now, you're missing, and Jesus Christ. 35:00.090 --> 35:00.550 I haven't finished. 35:00.550 --> 35:03.710 You are the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. 35:03.710 --> 35:05.390 Just ask me a question, what I was stating. 35:05.810 --> 35:08.750 I re-read it, and you cut me off before I got to see it. 35:08.810 --> 35:13.170 And Jesus Christ, which means Jesus, the Messiah, who was sent by this alone 35:13.170 --> 35:13.570 true God. 35:13.610 --> 35:15.790 Yes, Jesus was sent by his Father. 35:15.790 --> 35:22.190 But the Son himself, the word that was made flesh in the Virgin, is himself God 35:22.190 --> 35:22.830 Almighty. 35:23.070 --> 35:23.130 He is not. 35:23.690 --> 35:24.310 Yes, he is. 35:24.530 --> 35:25.310 Yes, he is. 35:25.570 --> 35:26.090 Yes, he is. 35:27.130 --> 35:27.690 Yes, he is. 35:28.190 --> 35:32.690 You have, if when you read John 14, 15, by the way, I put a link from a model 35:32.690 --> 35:37.050 I made when I tried to figure it out, and I didn't get it from the poop, 35:37.090 --> 35:37.370 okay? 35:37.610 --> 35:42.090 I did it from, you know, listening to Jesus and writing it up to try to get, 35:42.510 --> 35:47.310 you know, we're passing from death to life by being in the living God. 35:47.450 --> 35:51.410 And they are in us by the Holy Spirit, because we are baptized by the Spirit. 35:51.930 --> 35:53.610 You know, Jesus didn't come to baptize with water. 35:53.710 --> 35:55.250 He came to baptize with the Spirit. 35:55.590 --> 35:58.970 But anyway, that's the model that I made. 35:59.130 --> 36:00.910 It's not, it's a little rough, but it's... 36:01.530 --> 36:05.450 If you look down there, the comment, by the way, Michael Rood doesn't teach 36:05.450 --> 36:07.150 that Jesus is God, so you're a liar. 36:07.690 --> 36:12.170 Now, he says that, Chris says that, but I've heard Michael Rood say, 36:12.330 --> 36:15.910 you know, I can understand what Michael Rood says, and you're taking it out of 36:15.910 --> 36:16.230 context. 36:16.230 --> 36:20.390 You don't understand the plurality and singularity of God. 36:20.550 --> 36:21.110 That's a problem. 36:21.390 --> 36:24.830 Michael Rood is, I think it's pretty much, I think we could call him up. 36:24.950 --> 36:26.090 Let's call Michael Rood up. 36:26.130 --> 36:27.630 If you have a number, let's call him up. 36:28.070 --> 36:34.370 I would really like to have him verify that I think we are in a total agreement. 36:34.930 --> 36:36.630 You do realize that he's ill. 36:37.110 --> 36:38.490 Yeah, I know, I know. 36:38.570 --> 36:42.650 But that doesn't take away that, and actually it's very terrible if he 36:42.650 --> 36:46.310 actually believes the same as I do, and then teach that he actually doesn't 36:46.310 --> 36:46.910 teach that. 36:47.970 --> 36:49.050 So that's terrible. 36:49.650 --> 36:52.030 So you say Jesus is God, is he equal to the Father? 36:52.430 --> 36:56.050 Now, you know, the Father's authority is higher than the Son. 36:56.110 --> 36:59.270 The Son always does what the Father wills. 36:59.730 --> 37:01.890 So there's only one God of Gods, and that's the Father. 37:01.890 --> 37:04.730 Well, he's got the Son. 37:04.970 --> 37:05.890 No, no, no, no. 37:06.190 --> 37:08.270 Where does it say God the Son in the Bible? 37:08.430 --> 37:10.170 I'll let you speak for five minutes. 37:10.550 --> 37:13.230 Show me one singular scripture, and everyone can hear this. 37:13.730 --> 37:16.150 Where in the Bible does it say God the Son? 37:16.790 --> 37:17.510 God the Son? 37:18.090 --> 37:22.150 Yeah, where in the whole Bible, where does it say God the Son? 37:23.490 --> 37:25.690 In regards of him being God's Son? 37:26.270 --> 37:28.410 No, the word God the Son. 37:28.470 --> 37:31.710 You've just said that it says in the Bible that he's called God the Son. 37:31.710 --> 37:34.390 The word becomes flesh, right? 37:35.030 --> 37:40.770 So the word, because the Holy Spirit makes Mary pregnant, and thereby Mary, 37:41.350 --> 37:43.810 you know, the word becomes flesh in Mary. 37:43.930 --> 37:49.030 And the word is the word of God is the word of Jehovah that becomes flesh in Mary 37:49.030 --> 37:51.830 and is born and is walking amongst his own. 37:52.330 --> 37:56.650 He is literally God Almighty, and he's the one that took out the Israelites from 37:56.650 --> 38:02.150 Egypt and was leading them onto the Holy Lands in regards of the chosen land. 38:02.750 --> 38:07.110 So you see Jesus, you know, Jesus is the one writing the Ten Commandments with his 38:07.110 --> 38:07.870 finger in stone. 38:08.050 --> 38:12.090 You know, he's talking to Abraham before he goes to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah, 38:12.230 --> 38:15.790 where he stands on the ground, letting it rain fire and brimstone from 38:15.790 --> 38:17.490 Jehovah in the heavens down on the cities. 38:17.490 --> 38:24.310 You have two Jehovah in that place, and you have Jacob as well. 38:24.310 --> 38:27.990 Because you brought up a point there, and it'll be pointless saying about five, 38:28.170 --> 38:30.470 10 different points, because we won't be able to... 38:30.470 --> 38:32.670 You just have to take it all in context. 38:32.830 --> 38:38.370 So you said in regards to the Jehovah raining fire and brimstone on Sodom and 38:38.370 --> 38:38.370 Gomorrah... 38:38.370 --> 38:42.110 There you have one Jehovah letting it rain fire and brimstone from Jehovah in the 38:42.110 --> 38:43.470 heavens down on the cities. 38:43.670 --> 38:47.710 So one second, everyone heard him just there. 38:47.930 --> 38:54.250 It says that one Jehovah is up in heaven, and he's raining from Jehovah down onto a 38:54.250 --> 38:55.410 not a Jehovah... 38:55.410 --> 39:00.430 No, no, no, no, Jehovah is on the ground, letting it rain fire and brimstone from 39:00.430 --> 39:01.950 Jehovah in the heavens down on the cities. 39:02.410 --> 39:07.670 Abraham is speaking to the judge of the world, which is a man, which of course is 39:07.670 --> 39:08.030 Jesus. 39:08.190 --> 39:11.270 Abraham was talking to Jesus before he left for Sodom and Gomorrah. 39:13.170 --> 39:16.410 I'm going to bring up the verse and I'm just trying to find where it is. 39:17.610 --> 39:19.290 Genesis 19 verse 24. 39:19.490 --> 39:20.150 Just one second. 39:22.390 --> 39:22.790 Genesis... 39:25.350 --> 39:28.510 I'm just trying to pull this up because it doesn't say anything that you've just 39:28.510 --> 39:28.790 said. 39:29.770 --> 39:33.550 Who is Abraham talking to when he stands before the judge of the world? 39:33.630 --> 39:34.370 Who is he talking to? 39:34.450 --> 39:35.570 Well, who's the judge of the world? 39:35.690 --> 39:37.270 Jesus, of course, is the judge of the world. 39:37.390 --> 39:38.930 So who is Abraham talking to? 39:39.590 --> 39:41.250 Which question do you want me to answer? 39:41.630 --> 39:42.730 Well, you can answer both. 39:43.150 --> 39:45.130 It will lead you to that Jesus is God. 39:45.130 --> 39:47.170 Can I answer without interruption? 39:47.730 --> 39:52.030 So the first one is who is Adam talking to? 39:54.750 --> 39:58.010 It's a malak of Jehovah, which is a messenger. 39:58.230 --> 39:59.070 And what is a malak? 39:59.130 --> 39:59.790 Yeah, a messenger. 40:00.150 --> 40:01.430 Is Jesus a messenger? 40:01.810 --> 40:02.710 Is Jesus a messenger? 40:03.170 --> 40:04.330 Is the word a messenger? 40:04.710 --> 40:05.230 Absolutely. 40:06.230 --> 40:07.910 Can the malak be God himself? 40:08.130 --> 40:09.790 How many questions will you ask? 40:11.010 --> 40:13.510 You can laugh as much as you want. 40:13.510 --> 40:16.850 Because you're asking 15 questions, hoping to confuse the matter. 40:17.370 --> 40:19.070 How many questions do you want to ask? 40:19.190 --> 40:20.350 Because you've asked that one. 40:20.530 --> 40:21.810 Well, you know, go to... 40:21.810 --> 40:25.270 Excuse me, excuse me, excuse me. 40:25.270 --> 40:29.570 Have some discipline and let's have a proper conversation, right? 40:29.850 --> 40:31.410 I might not be that good at that. 40:31.490 --> 40:35.150 So one, it is a malak, which is a messenger. 40:35.150 --> 40:36.570 Malak, a messenger, an angel. 40:36.750 --> 40:39.230 Excuse me, let me finish my sentence. 40:39.390 --> 40:40.450 I'm just agreeing with you. 40:40.830 --> 40:42.190 No, I'm finishing the sentence. 40:42.190 --> 40:45.250 It's called rude behavior, what you're doing. 40:45.610 --> 40:46.590 I just agree. 40:46.730 --> 40:48.230 You shouldn't have Trinitarians act. 40:48.310 --> 40:48.970 I get this a lot. 40:49.390 --> 40:51.310 But anyway, so the second one was... 40:52.110 --> 40:53.310 What was the second question? 40:53.390 --> 40:55.690 Since you keep on talking, trying to confuse things, Satan. 40:56.150 --> 40:57.290 Well, we're going to... 40:57.290 --> 40:58.950 You were going to Abraham, wasn't you? 40:59.870 --> 41:02.910 You're going to Abraham in regards to talking to the judge of the world, 41:03.010 --> 41:03.230 right? 41:03.370 --> 41:04.650 Or do we want to take it... 41:04.650 --> 41:05.350 Where does it say that? 41:05.690 --> 41:07.650 Again, you're adding a lot of things that aren't in the Bible. 41:07.790 --> 41:09.490 That he talked to the judge of the world. 41:09.670 --> 41:10.110 No, it doesn't. 41:10.210 --> 41:10.830 Judge of the world? 41:11.550 --> 41:12.490 No, no, no, no. 41:12.750 --> 41:13.250 Go and look. 41:13.310 --> 41:13.990 Go and look. 41:14.230 --> 41:14.830 Go and look. 41:14.910 --> 41:15.950 Why don't you just go and look? 41:16.130 --> 41:18.330 He's talking to the judge of the world. 41:18.350 --> 41:21.670 Stop shouting over me and have some decorum. 41:21.990 --> 41:23.090 Yeah, we're having a conversation. 41:23.430 --> 41:24.330 You're shooting your fruits. 41:25.270 --> 41:27.710 Yeah, but why don't you just go to the place and check it out? 41:28.350 --> 41:30.070 He's talking to the judge of the world. 41:30.310 --> 41:32.350 You have stated something and I'm replying. 41:32.610 --> 41:33.630 If Abraham... 41:33.630 --> 41:34.970 You're having a conversation, my friend. 41:35.090 --> 41:37.070 If you keep on talking, you're going to be muted. 41:37.070 --> 41:42.710 So we can do this back and forth, a proper conversation, or you can end up 41:42.710 --> 41:43.370 getting muted. 41:43.810 --> 41:46.850 I'll say what I need to say and then I'll unmute you. 41:47.170 --> 41:49.030 I have just one question. 41:49.250 --> 41:54.050 If Abraham is talking to the judge of the world, who would that be? 41:56.050 --> 41:58.390 He's not talking to the judge of the world. 41:58.530 --> 42:00.950 He's talking to an angel, a malak, of him. 42:00.950 --> 42:03.970 And that malak is the judge of the world. 42:04.170 --> 42:04.850 And who would that be? 42:04.850 --> 42:07.490 The malak is sent by Yehovah, because he's of Yehovah. 42:07.710 --> 42:08.870 Yes, he is sent. 42:09.230 --> 42:09.670 Exactly. 42:12.310 --> 42:14.730 So I've had to mute him because he's keep on talking. 42:14.870 --> 42:17.110 All he's doing is showing the fruits of Trinitarianism. 42:17.410 --> 42:19.310 You can talk once I've finished what I'm saying. 42:19.950 --> 42:23.110 So firstly, we'll bring up this passage which shows... 42:23.110 --> 42:25.710 It doesn't say what he's just said and he's added to the Bible. 42:27.890 --> 42:29.310 And it is Genesis. 42:29.530 --> 42:31.590 So let me just pull up this... 42:31.590 --> 42:34.150 Actually, let me pull up the actual verse. 42:34.150 --> 42:36.130 Genesis 19, I think it is. 42:37.290 --> 42:38.810 Genesis 19, 24. 42:39.070 --> 42:40.810 Let's see if it says what he's just said. 42:41.230 --> 42:47.350 And he said that one Yehovah in heaven is raining fire down to another Yehovah on 42:47.350 --> 42:47.730 earth. 42:48.350 --> 42:50.090 So where does it say this? 42:50.290 --> 42:52.190 Yehovah is on earth. 42:52.290 --> 42:56.850 Torah, Genesis, and it's 19. 42:57.490 --> 42:58.750 Let me just make sure. 42:59.110 --> 43:00.610 And it's verse 24. 43:00.610 --> 43:04.690 All right, I'm going to unmute him in a second. 43:05.210 --> 43:07.130 Hopefully he doesn't disrespect him. 43:07.210 --> 43:07.870 The Bible is... 43:07.870 --> 43:08.670 I'm going to read this. 43:09.270 --> 43:10.670 So I'm going to read this. 43:11.050 --> 43:12.270 I thought you were going to take it to him. 43:12.690 --> 43:19.010 Yehovah rained upon Sodom and Gomorrah sulfurous fire from Yehovah out of heaven. 43:19.190 --> 43:21.050 Where does it say that one Yehovah is on earth? 43:24.710 --> 43:26.790 Where does it say that one Yehovah is on earth? 43:27.210 --> 43:31.210 Yehovah rained upon Sodom and Gomorrah sulfurous fire from Yehovah out of the 43:31.210 --> 43:31.430 heaven. 43:31.430 --> 43:32.670 You have one on the earth. 43:32.770 --> 43:33.750 You have one in the heavens. 43:34.050 --> 43:38.070 You have the plural singular just right there. 43:38.270 --> 43:39.510 No, you don't. 43:39.570 --> 43:40.070 Yes, you have. 43:40.270 --> 43:41.730 Yes, you have. 43:41.830 --> 43:50.030 So if I say Taylor Stewart poured water out onto the patio or the path outside 43:50.030 --> 43:51.690 from Taylor in his bedroom. 43:52.070 --> 43:53.290 They've got two Taylors, have you? 43:55.050 --> 43:56.870 I didn't get the point here. 43:57.190 --> 43:58.470 Let me say it again. 43:58.570 --> 44:00.190 So it's understandable for you. 44:00.190 --> 44:10.850 If I, Taylor, Taylor Stewart, the person is pouring water outside from Taylor in 44:10.850 --> 44:11.450 his room. 44:12.030 --> 44:13.170 Is the two Taylors there? 44:13.850 --> 44:15.550 I still don't get it. 44:16.150 --> 44:17.470 Well, that's the problem, isn't it? 44:18.110 --> 44:19.350 I guess it is. 44:19.590 --> 44:21.090 But try to go to Abraham. 44:21.230 --> 44:24.130 I actually thought you would go to Abraham, you know, in regards to talking 44:24.130 --> 44:29.250 because he's you know, you have to, you have to understand that one of them is 44:29.250 --> 44:30.690 a man. 44:32.790 --> 44:37.770 You can't just focus on one place and just take one scripture and then just take 44:37.770 --> 44:38.490 everything out. 44:38.590 --> 44:39.850 You have to take it in context. 44:40.130 --> 44:42.690 You have to read the book from the beginning to end. 44:44.970 --> 44:46.270 You brought this up. 44:46.490 --> 44:48.230 You brought this verse up. 44:48.730 --> 44:48.890 Yeah. 44:49.110 --> 44:50.410 I didn't bring this up. 44:50.490 --> 44:53.030 You were going, this proves that there's plural people. 44:53.030 --> 44:53.690 Yeah. 44:54.290 --> 44:55.030 Two Jehovah's. 44:55.150 --> 44:56.390 And I said, no, it doesn't. 44:56.610 --> 44:57.290 Let's go on to this. 44:57.430 --> 45:01.390 Then you move the bull post on Abraham after you mentioned this. 45:01.590 --> 45:04.710 So stop trying to run and answer the question now. 45:04.850 --> 45:08.730 No, no, no, this, this is one, you know, unmute. 45:08.870 --> 45:10.130 Oh, I am unmuted. 45:10.230 --> 45:11.250 Can I speak now? 45:12.150 --> 45:13.290 Answer the question first. 45:13.390 --> 45:13.630 Can I? 45:13.730 --> 45:13.930 Okay. 45:13.950 --> 45:14.710 I can speak now. 45:14.710 --> 45:19.450 I don't know if I'm muted or not muted, but you clearly have Jehovah, you know, 45:19.510 --> 45:23.750 you know, standing on the ground, raining sulfur and brimstone from Jehovah 45:23.750 --> 45:24.690 out of the heavens. 45:24.830 --> 45:28.470 If you don't want to answer the question that I raised, you're going to get muted 45:28.470 --> 45:28.810 again. 45:28.930 --> 45:30.110 And I will pause the question. 45:30.290 --> 45:33.090 No, you're trying to lead in the direction you want. 45:33.650 --> 45:37.790 I asked you a question and you're avoiding because it demolishes your argument. 45:37.790 --> 45:40.510 But you're just taking away the truth. 45:40.690 --> 45:42.810 You know, it's just right there. 45:43.290 --> 45:47.930 Abraham was talking to Jesus before he went to Sodom and Gomorrah. 45:47.930 --> 45:48.650 Look at it. 45:50.930 --> 45:54.270 So, nowhere does it say that Abraham was talking to Jesus. 45:54.630 --> 45:57.390 And I've had to mute him again because he's continuously talking over and not 45:57.390 --> 45:58.110 answering the question. 45:58.210 --> 45:59.390 This is what Trinitarians do. 45:59.790 --> 46:05.250 They'll go off into something else when you're literally asking them a point in 46:05.250 --> 46:08.810 regards to a content, yeah, that they brought up. 46:09.210 --> 46:15.790 He brought up this, which apparently is Jehovah on earth raining fire from another 46:15.790 --> 46:17.430 Jehovah where it's not that. 46:17.430 --> 46:22.230 So, my question is related to a content that he brought up, the contents that he 46:22.230 --> 46:22.790 brought up. 46:22.990 --> 46:26.550 So, if you go keep on talking... 46:26.550 --> 46:27.710 Oh, I thought I was muted. 46:28.350 --> 46:29.590 You are muted. 46:29.850 --> 46:31.870 But if you keep on talking over, you're going to get muted. 46:32.370 --> 46:37.250 Stop talking and we can have a proper conversation and we don't have to keep on 46:37.250 --> 46:39.250 having you being muted. 46:39.510 --> 46:40.410 And that's the problem. 46:40.570 --> 46:42.490 Stop talking and keep on getting muted. 46:42.490 --> 46:47.410 If you're going to keep on talking and have no respect, showing your fruits of 46:47.410 --> 46:54.010 your certain lies that came from 325 AD by the Antichrist, you're going to be muted. 46:54.630 --> 46:56.030 I've asked you a question. 46:56.370 --> 46:59.130 If you avoid, then I'm going to have to kick you because you've got nothing. 46:59.450 --> 46:59.590 Yeah? 47:01.210 --> 47:07.550 Excuse me, I'm going to mute him until like in three minutes time. 47:07.750 --> 47:08.290 I'll unmute him. 47:08.350 --> 47:11.950 If he is going to answer the question, then he can answer the question. 47:11.950 --> 47:16.210 But all he's doing is just rambling off the topic, which he brought up. 47:16.210 --> 47:20.950 He brought up that there's two gods, two Jehovah's and one... 47:20.950 --> 47:22.650 Well, there you go. 47:22.830 --> 47:23.330 Two gods. 47:23.450 --> 47:23.590 Yeah? 47:23.790 --> 47:28.850 He's got two gods, even though there's one God of all gods and Jesus has a God. 47:29.830 --> 47:40.010 So if Teala rained water out of a bucket on his mother in the garden, from where he 47:40.010 --> 47:42.190 is in his bedroom, is there two Tealas? 47:42.470 --> 47:42.730 No. 47:42.890 --> 47:44.370 Let's see if he answers the question. 47:45.150 --> 47:49.930 No, there's no two Tealas if that's what that, you know, you have to take it all in 47:49.930 --> 47:50.370 context. 47:50.370 --> 47:51.510 And I think it's pretty clear. 47:51.550 --> 47:52.790 And I think you actually got it right. 47:53.070 --> 47:55.410 There's a man, Jehovah, standing on the earth. 47:55.530 --> 47:58.910 That's Jesus, the son who is letting it rain from fire and brimstone from the 47:58.910 --> 47:59.130 heavens. 47:59.170 --> 48:00.790 You absolutely got it correct on that. 48:00.970 --> 48:02.050 I think it's very nice. 48:02.630 --> 48:03.150 I didn't say that. 48:03.150 --> 48:08.350 Now, you didn't say that you believe that, but I think you absolutely get that. 48:08.470 --> 48:11.290 That's absolutely what I think it says. 48:11.870 --> 48:12.870 So you're putting words in my mouth? 48:13.210 --> 48:13.770 No, no, no, no, no. 48:13.830 --> 48:16.570 I'm not saying you believe that, but that was what you said about... 48:16.570 --> 48:17.370 No, I didn't. 48:17.410 --> 48:17.770 No, I didn't. 48:17.950 --> 48:19.950 Again, do you want to listen to what I say? 48:20.470 --> 48:21.150 Take it on. 48:21.170 --> 48:22.990 You are explaining what I believe, right? 48:23.150 --> 48:23.950 No, I'm not. 48:24.070 --> 48:28.330 I am trying to speak, but you literally have a demon in you because you're talking 48:28.330 --> 48:31.710 about if you really loved God, you would have a proper conversation. 48:31.710 --> 48:34.570 But you're continuously talking and not hearing. 48:35.170 --> 48:36.550 I'm going to give you one more chance. 48:36.750 --> 48:40.350 Otherwise, I'm going to kick you because it feels like you're a swine. 48:40.670 --> 48:41.890 I don't want to have that. 48:41.970 --> 48:43.070 I want to have a proper conversation. 48:43.930 --> 48:47.230 But you're acting like a swine, just continuously talking. 48:47.490 --> 48:55.430 So if I, me, myself, Tila, I'm the person, I'm not saying where I am, pour out water 48:55.430 --> 48:58.270 out of my bedroom where I am. 48:58.970 --> 49:04.550 I pour out water onto someone in the garden from me in the bedroom. 49:04.970 --> 49:05.890 Where am I? 49:07.230 --> 49:10.130 Yeah, but you know, it's not going to work. 49:10.410 --> 49:11.210 It's not going to work. 49:11.470 --> 49:12.310 Yours, answer the question. 49:12.310 --> 49:13.770 No, it doesn't work. 49:13.790 --> 49:14.370 It doesn't work. 49:14.430 --> 49:16.030 You have a whole nother context here. 49:16.130 --> 49:17.870 You have two working together. 49:18.510 --> 49:21.850 It's the same when Jehovah speaks about Jehovah sending him, you know, 49:22.090 --> 49:25.650 it's Jehovah speaking and he's speaking about Jehovah will send him. 49:25.850 --> 49:29.430 The topic, I'm going to give you this chance to answer or you can get kicked. 49:29.790 --> 49:33.690 If you go to Abraham, Abraham was talking to Jesus, the judge of the world. 49:34.110 --> 49:35.950 You have to take it in context. 49:36.250 --> 49:37.970 You can't just take one quotation. 49:38.670 --> 49:40.310 You have to take it in context. 49:42.730 --> 49:43.210 Yeah. 49:46.190 --> 49:50.610 So there's the fruits of the satanic Trinitarianism that can't answer 49:50.610 --> 49:51.170 questions. 49:51.290 --> 49:57.570 And all it does is scream, shout, and don't stick to questions. 49:58.650 --> 50:03.570 This guy consistently ignored points. 50:04.050 --> 50:06.310 I had to mute him because he wouldn't answer the questions. 50:06.630 --> 50:07.930 So there you go. 50:08.210 --> 50:11.330 If there's any other Trinitarian that has some respect where I wouldn't have a 50:11.330 --> 50:15.530 proper conversation, like we we've had a conversation with Tyler. 50:15.530 --> 50:18.230 Tyler wouldn't have a proper conversation. 50:18.890 --> 50:22.630 Tyler can jump in, PM me and Master if you want to jump in, if this will be respect. 50:23.050 --> 50:25.410 Wouldn't both of them have this conversation. 50:26.210 --> 50:30.170 But the moment someone literally keeps on talking over me... 50:31.190 --> 50:34.350 Look, this is the Trinitarians. 50:34.950 --> 50:41.130 Look, I'm so indefinitely rude and angry, hell, that I have to raise my voice so 50:41.130 --> 50:48.170 people can hear because I'm asking this Trinitarian a clear-cut question that he 50:48.170 --> 50:51.330 brought up as a point to prove the Trinity. 50:51.670 --> 50:56.890 The moment I give him a way of speaking, Yehovah reigned. 50:56.970 --> 51:00.490 So the person reigned fire and sulfur. 51:00.590 --> 51:02.290 It doesn't say Yehovah on earth. 51:02.690 --> 51:07.310 It says Yehovah reigned fire and sulfur until Sodom. 51:07.810 --> 51:13.990 So Yehovah the person reigned, which is a downward issue. 51:14.430 --> 51:16.290 It's a downward topic here. 51:16.710 --> 51:18.210 Reigning means it comes down. 51:19.290 --> 51:25.370 Yehovah reigned an action onto a place that is on earth, Sodom and Gomorrah, 51:25.730 --> 51:27.610 from him in heaven. 51:27.950 --> 51:29.070 That's what it's literally said. 51:29.630 --> 51:32.390 And I try to give that the context to this guy. 51:32.670 --> 51:34.670 He didn't listen because he's got nothing. 51:35.810 --> 51:38.830 You can tell the spirit in him, I'm not going to waste my time on someone 51:38.830 --> 51:40.990 that won't answer blatant questions. 51:41.550 --> 51:48.490 Plus, we see later on, if I'm not mistaken, actually, I think it might be 51:48.490 --> 51:54.470 earlier on where it says the angels, the malak, say Yehovah sent us. 51:54.770 --> 51:58.910 Not that they are Yehovah, the Yehovah sent us to do this. 51:59.230 --> 51:59.950 Hello, how are you doing? 52:00.790 --> 52:01.570 I am well. 52:01.750 --> 52:05.050 So that guy was, I only hopped on like the last few minutes. 52:05.090 --> 52:06.610 So he was a Trinitarian? 52:07.330 --> 52:07.770 Yeah. 52:07.930 --> 52:09.650 He's a Trinitarian with a twist. 52:09.750 --> 52:10.590 I don't know what that meant. 52:12.030 --> 52:12.930 Oh, okay. 52:13.110 --> 52:20.610 I think he believed in the Torah, the laws and stuff, but he believed in the 52:20.610 --> 52:20.830 Trinity. 52:21.330 --> 52:23.990 I think that might have been the twist he was talking about. 52:24.970 --> 52:25.550 Oh, okay. 52:26.190 --> 52:27.670 I've met some people like that. 52:28.610 --> 52:28.770 Yeah. 52:28.870 --> 52:33.870 He asked them, he said, see, we're talking about John 17. 52:33.990 --> 52:38.270 He said, I went to John, was it later on or something? 52:38.590 --> 52:44.250 And he said, go to John 14, 16, 17, and this, because you're doing it out 52:44.250 --> 52:44.550 of context. 52:44.750 --> 52:45.150 So I went, okay. 52:45.330 --> 52:46.470 I went to John 17. 52:46.750 --> 52:50.990 Then after that, he moved the goalposts, went, no, read from 14, 15, 16, 52:51.130 --> 52:53.870 17, like then that way. 52:54.050 --> 52:58.890 And then he moved it from that to the two Yehovah's, one William down. 52:59.010 --> 53:00.870 So I went here because he wasn't listening. 53:01.470 --> 53:10.110 I tried to answer Genesis 2, 7, 1, 26, and why it's ambiguous. 53:10.370 --> 53:13.730 So it doesn't say us or God, it just says us. 53:14.110 --> 53:15.770 And he said, what do you mean? 53:16.130 --> 53:18.890 And because he wasn't listening to that, let me speak. 53:19.110 --> 53:19.650 I went, okay. 53:20.170 --> 53:22.870 I'll move on to a different topic, just straight to it. 53:23.670 --> 53:25.430 And then he mentioned this. 53:25.890 --> 53:29.210 So I went, okay, let's stick to one point at a time. 53:29.310 --> 53:30.550 So it doesn't get confusing. 53:30.890 --> 53:31.630 We'll go to this. 53:31.850 --> 53:33.250 Then he went on to Abraham. 53:33.370 --> 53:39.730 As soon as I brought this up, the angels, which sort of is contextual, pardon me, 53:40.030 --> 53:45.910 but it doesn't say that Yehovah or the people, this is the people were angels. 53:46.970 --> 53:52.670 So he wanted to go off into that when we went here and it just got to the point 53:52.670 --> 53:53.650 where I had to block him. 53:54.070 --> 53:55.370 So, yeah. 53:56.070 --> 53:57.090 I get you. 53:57.190 --> 53:57.890 I get you. 53:58.670 --> 54:02.230 Well, I mean, I do think he made a good point though. 54:02.450 --> 54:08.090 Like it kind of seems redundant for the verse to say the Lord rained down stuff 54:08.090 --> 54:09.030 from the Lord. 54:09.170 --> 54:12.530 It seems very redundant if it's just, you know, one person. 54:13.670 --> 54:14.290 Not necessarily. 54:14.630 --> 54:20.310 So for example, if I'm saying Yehovah the person, so this will break it down. 54:20.450 --> 54:26.970 Yehovah the person did an action of raining down fire and brimstone and item 54:26.970 --> 54:28.470 onto a place. 54:28.470 --> 54:31.510 Sodom and Gomorrah from where Yehovah is. 54:33.090 --> 54:34.270 It's not redundant. 54:34.470 --> 54:39.370 It's saying Yehovah did this onto here from him in heaven. 54:40.510 --> 54:41.510 It's not redundant. 54:42.290 --> 54:49.190 It's saying Teala did a prank of water onto his mother in the garden from his 54:49.190 --> 54:51.010 bedroom, him in his bedroom. 54:52.290 --> 54:57.350 Well, I mean, no, that's not really the same thing because, you know, in that case 54:57.350 --> 55:01.390 you're just referring to yourself once, like you're using your name once and then 55:01.390 --> 55:02.750 you're using a personal pronoun. 55:02.930 --> 55:07.990 In this case, it's the Lord, you know, raining down fire from the Lord. 55:08.450 --> 55:14.950 That would be like me saying like, uh, Tyler, uh, throws a baseball from 55:14.950 --> 55:15.490 Tyler. 55:16.950 --> 55:18.250 It's kind of weird. 55:18.670 --> 55:24.330 Teala pours that water onto his mother in the garden from Teala in his bedroom. 55:25.170 --> 55:25.650 Yeah. 55:25.930 --> 55:28.610 I mean, and it's where I am. 55:29.950 --> 55:33.210 Well, I mean, technically, technically, I mean, there's not grammatically 55:33.210 --> 55:33.810 incorrect. 55:33.850 --> 55:38.110 It's just a kind of, like I said, redundant, isn't it? 55:39.230 --> 55:40.350 But it's written in Hebrew. 55:40.570 --> 55:42.070 It's not written in like English. 55:42.130 --> 55:43.350 That's the way they would have spoke. 55:43.730 --> 55:45.250 So that's how it's written. 55:45.350 --> 55:51.090 It doesn't say Yehovah on earth rained fire and brimstone onto a place on earth 55:51.090 --> 55:56.350 from Yehovah who's in heaven because God's omnipotence, omniscient. 55:57.790 --> 55:59.530 I got mixed up with the ones. 56:00.230 --> 56:01.970 It doesn't need to be on earth. 56:02.030 --> 56:02.470 He's everywhere. 56:02.710 --> 56:04.070 So God can simply do it. 56:06.150 --> 56:06.630 Okay. 56:06.710 --> 56:11.710 But you know, 99% of the time it just says, I mean, it doesn't say that like 99% 56:11.710 --> 56:12.230 of the time. 56:12.270 --> 56:16.530 It doesn't say, you know, it doesn't use God's name twice in that manner. 56:16.630 --> 56:18.830 Like, oh, God did this from God. 56:18.910 --> 56:20.310 It usually doesn't say that. 56:21.670 --> 56:24.930 Yeah, probably usually doesn't say it, but it doesn't mean that it can't say it 56:24.930 --> 56:25.170 though. 56:26.350 --> 56:27.850 Well, I mean, of course it, yeah. 56:27.890 --> 56:32.090 I mean, of course it can because it does sometimes, but it's unusual is the point, 56:32.390 --> 56:32.690 right? 56:33.750 --> 56:34.150 Yeah. 56:34.210 --> 56:35.990 But it doesn't mean that you can't say it. 56:36.030 --> 56:38.390 It says it in the Bible, so it exists. 56:38.690 --> 56:43.170 And it doesn't say that, that there was God on heaven. 56:43.310 --> 56:44.670 If you, uh, God on earth. 56:44.870 --> 56:49.970 In fact, if you see it says God showed up and then you see three men, God isn't a 56:49.970 --> 56:52.350 man that he would lie or God isn't a man. 56:52.490 --> 56:53.830 I am Jehovah, not man. 56:54.030 --> 56:56.770 So we see that he appears by his malach. 56:57.010 --> 57:03.430 You see two of them that go down to, um, what, uh, lot and they are called 57:03.430 --> 57:03.850 malach. 57:04.110 --> 57:07.270 Messengers are not the person being sent, um, that sends them. 57:08.030 --> 57:11.570 If I send a with a letter to you, it's not me. 57:11.690 --> 57:13.510 It's just a messenger of me. 57:13.590 --> 57:14.490 That's given you a lot. 57:15.150 --> 57:19.890 So we see that there was people turn out to be the men, which are black. 57:22.130 --> 57:28.150 Well, you see the, the problem is, uh, I could be wrong, but I don't think 57:28.150 --> 57:32.410 that this kind of language is used in regards to anyone else in the Bible. 57:32.410 --> 57:37.370 I don't think it ever says like, for example, David, uh, threw a stone from 57:37.370 --> 57:39.030 David, right? 57:39.590 --> 57:39.930 Right. 57:40.350 --> 57:42.970 It only uses this kind of language for God. 57:44.230 --> 57:47.990 But just because it doesn't say that doesn't mean that it means it's two 57:47.990 --> 57:48.530 persons. 57:51.290 --> 57:57.090 It would have to prove that one of the Jehovah's is, um, another person and a 57:57.090 --> 57:59.090 place in a certain place, wherever he is. 57:59.930 --> 58:00.810 But it doesn't say that. 58:00.890 --> 58:08.230 It says one person Jehovah is doing this event onto it, onto a place from where he 58:08.230 --> 58:08.450 is. 58:09.230 --> 58:12.510 It doesn't mention of them two people. 58:14.250 --> 58:16.270 Well, I mean, it's not really a place. 58:16.510 --> 58:17.810 It's the Lord. 58:17.950 --> 58:21.470 And then the Lord, the Lord is not a place. 58:22.050 --> 58:22.830 No, heaven is. 58:23.870 --> 58:26.170 Jehovah reigned the thing from where he is in heaven. 58:27.030 --> 58:27.590 Yeah. 58:27.670 --> 58:31.690 But it also says, I mean, specifically it says the Lord reigned down fire, 58:31.950 --> 58:34.530 brimstone, whatever, from the Lord. 58:34.750 --> 58:35.310 Yeah. 58:35.390 --> 58:36.450 From Jehovah in heaven. 58:37.310 --> 58:37.870 Yes. 58:37.890 --> 58:39.310 It's just very unusual. 58:39.870 --> 58:42.150 It says Jehovah reigned. 58:42.410 --> 58:45.090 Um, hello, David, long time no see. 58:46.270 --> 58:47.930 Um, so we'll see here. 58:48.130 --> 58:54.070 Jehovah reigned upon Sodom and Gomorrah, sulfurous fire from Jehovah out of heaven. 58:54.190 --> 58:59.150 So he is the person that did it out from where he is. 59:02.250 --> 59:05.310 Now I can try and make this, um, bigger so you can see. 59:06.970 --> 59:07.410 Well, 59:14.540 --> 59:19.300 I mean, it, I mean, it specifically says like he, he wasn't just raining it down 59:19.300 --> 59:20.240 from where he is. 59:20.260 --> 59:23.880 He rained it down from himself, which like I said, it's kind of weird 59:23.880 --> 59:24.740 language. 59:24.820 --> 59:25.240 Yeah. 59:25.260 --> 59:26.120 But it's written in Hebrew. 59:26.420 --> 59:27.880 So obviously it's not written in English. 59:27.940 --> 59:34.100 That's just the way that's written saying, if I said, if I said, which, which we are, 59:34.140 --> 59:38.080 you want to see the, which that's going to cast a spell people in Germany, 59:38.200 --> 59:42.720 you'd be like, why is he keep on saying which, which when there's a similarity to 59:42.720 --> 59:42.860 it? 59:42.920 --> 59:43.260 You know what I mean? 59:43.340 --> 59:44.680 It'll sound different to them. 59:44.960 --> 59:53.400 So our language and, um, like through into through similar like words. 59:54.020 --> 59:59.460 Um, there's certain things in English language that wouldn't make sense if it 59:59.460 --> 01:00:02.940 was so much translated to another language. 01:00:04.120 --> 01:00:08.960 So obviously there's going to be a little bit of an oddity in the way that this has 01:00:08.960 --> 01:00:10.060 been written up. 01:00:11.240 --> 01:00:16.000 Well, see the thing is though, like this type of language is not used in 01:00:16.000 --> 01:00:20.200 any of the other books of the old Testament, which are written in Hebrew in 01:00:20.200 --> 01:00:23.260 regards to, you know, other people, it's not used for other people, 01:00:23.320 --> 01:00:24.500 even though it's all written in Hebrew. 01:00:24.500 --> 01:00:24.980 How are y'all doing? 01:00:25.100 --> 01:00:28.120 Can you, what's up? 01:00:29.320 --> 01:00:30.360 Can y'all hear me? 01:00:30.680 --> 01:00:30.780 Yeah. 01:00:33.940 --> 01:00:35.560 You want to see someone there? 01:00:36.020 --> 01:00:36.020 David? 01:00:40.480 --> 01:00:40.880 Hello? 01:00:40.880 --> 01:00:41.280 David? 01:00:43.260 --> 01:00:43.740 David? 01:00:43.740 --> 01:00:44.080 David? 01:00:45.820 --> 01:00:46.300 David? 01:00:49.380 --> 01:00:49.860 David? 01:00:51.180 --> 01:00:51.660 David? 01:00:52.400 --> 01:00:52.400 David? 01:00:54.920 --> 01:00:55.400 David? 01:00:55.400 --> 01:00:55.400 David? 01:00:55.400 --> 01:00:55.400 David? 01:00:55.400 --> 01:00:55.400 David? 01:00:55.400 --> 01:00:56.300 I think you may be fixed. 01:00:56.480 --> 01:00:57.580 I'm not sure if you can hear. 01:00:57.720 --> 01:00:58.400 I don't think so. 01:00:59.020 --> 01:01:01.060 You might have the audio. 01:01:01.620 --> 01:01:02.080 Turn it off. 01:01:04.720 --> 01:01:07.400 One second, I'll try and pull this to the face. 01:01:07.720 --> 01:01:08.100 David! 01:01:08.880 --> 01:01:08.880 David! 01:01:10.840 --> 01:01:11.220 Do you hear? 01:01:12.860 --> 01:01:15.340 Oh, I don't. 01:01:16.160 --> 01:01:16.760 I will. 01:01:17.320 --> 01:01:18.420 Right, so what were you saying there? 01:01:18.980 --> 01:01:20.500 No, I finished what I was saying. 01:01:20.600 --> 01:01:24.160 I was just saying that, like, you know, like, this type of language is not used 01:01:24.160 --> 01:01:27.100 for any human being in the Bible. 01:01:27.840 --> 01:01:30.240 Right, but it doesn't mean that... it doesn't stand though. 01:01:31.220 --> 01:01:32.760 It's there in the Bible. 01:01:34.900 --> 01:01:37.660 Well, of course, because God is multiple persons. 01:01:38.740 --> 01:01:42.980 No, where does it say there's multiple persons in this sentence? 01:01:43.160 --> 01:01:44.740 You didn't even go before it. 01:01:45.000 --> 01:01:47.120 Where does it say Jehovah is on earth? 01:01:48.620 --> 01:01:50.460 It's taught in a totally different context. 01:01:50.460 --> 01:01:56.900 As the sun rose up on the earth and locked in at Zohar, and then it goes Jehovah 01:01:56.900 --> 01:01:57.720 dreamed. 01:01:58.080 --> 01:02:00.660 So as he went to this place, Jehovah is a monarchy. 01:02:01.360 --> 01:02:05.160 It doesn't say anything about Jehovah being on earth or in a place and it's one 01:02:05.160 --> 01:02:07.220 Jehovah from another Jehovah. 01:02:08.180 --> 01:02:10.900 It doesn't even say Jehovah's plural. 01:02:11.440 --> 01:02:12.580 It's just one person. 01:02:16.500 --> 01:02:23.020 But you see, the thing is, this type of language is used in multiple verses in 01:02:23.020 --> 01:02:26.000 regards to God and never to anyone else. 01:02:26.260 --> 01:02:30.700 Like in Exodus, it says something like... let me see... 01:02:32.920 --> 01:02:34.260 Oh yeah, I have it right here. 01:02:34.920 --> 01:02:40.040 Yeah, it says that... so the Lord said to Moses, come up to the Lord. 01:02:41.660 --> 01:02:43.200 He didn't say come up to me. 01:02:43.820 --> 01:02:46.840 Yeah, because he's putting his name out so people know who he is. 01:02:47.860 --> 01:02:51.040 Yeah, but the problem is that that is specifically like that's the angel of the 01:02:51.040 --> 01:02:52.240 Lord in that verse. 01:02:52.880 --> 01:02:57.460 Like the context is he sent the angel of the Lord and then he referred to the angel 01:02:57.460 --> 01:02:58.980 of the Lord as the Lord. 01:02:59.260 --> 01:02:59.820 Hey, what's up David? 01:02:59.960 --> 01:03:00.660 Can you hear us now? 01:03:01.220 --> 01:03:02.300 Yes, can y'all hear me? 01:03:02.420 --> 01:03:06.740 I have my earpiece connected to my phone in the other room. 01:03:06.740 --> 01:03:10.740 It was coming out of there, so I was looking at y'all talking and I'm like, 01:03:11.560 --> 01:03:13.420 something ain't right. 01:03:14.120 --> 01:03:15.500 No worries, no worries. 01:03:16.420 --> 01:03:21.600 I just been taking a break from just chatting and going at it with everybody, 01:03:21.740 --> 01:03:22.340 but I'm back. 01:03:23.040 --> 01:03:24.320 That's good, that's good. 01:03:24.480 --> 01:03:25.660 Maybe I can convince you. 01:03:29.500 --> 01:03:33.680 This linguistic thing though, just because it's not in other places doesn't mean that 01:03:33.680 --> 01:03:35.540 it doesn't mean what it's saying. 01:03:36.360 --> 01:03:41.440 That would be on the Trinitarians to prove that there was another Jehovah somewhere 01:03:41.440 --> 01:03:41.860 else. 01:03:44.880 --> 01:03:51.520 Taylor, could you pull up on your screen 1 Kings 8 verse 1? 01:03:53.240 --> 01:03:59.680 Because this language is used of someone else other than God, where it says Solomon 01:03:59.680 --> 01:04:04.380 assembled the elders of Israel and all the heads of the tribes. 01:04:04.600 --> 01:04:08.260 The chief of the fathers of the children of Israel unto King Solomon. 01:04:08.260 --> 01:04:14.560 So Solomon gathers the Israelites to Solomon, but yet there's only one Solomon. 01:04:14.740 --> 01:04:17.000 Yes, so verse 1 and 2. 01:04:18.800 --> 01:04:24.920 So then Solomon assembled the leaders of Israel and all the heads of the tribes and 01:04:24.920 --> 01:04:29.520 the leaders of the fathers household of Israel to King Solomon. 01:04:29.980 --> 01:04:32.940 So again, is Solomon here? 01:04:35.620 --> 01:04:36.400 No. 01:04:36.400 --> 01:04:43.400 So that would debunk the two Jehovahs. 01:04:44.380 --> 01:04:52.500 Solomon did this with the Israel leaders, the head of tribes, then the fathers of 01:04:52.500 --> 01:04:57.700 the households of Israel to Solomon in Jerusalem. 01:04:58.160 --> 01:05:03.080 So Solomon did a decree of bringing people to Solomon in this place. 01:05:03.080 --> 01:05:08.320 Just like Jehovah did an issue from where he is. 01:05:09.540 --> 01:05:10.780 That makes perfect sense. 01:05:10.880 --> 01:05:12.640 I didn't even know the same verse. 01:05:12.980 --> 01:05:14.300 I was wondering. 01:05:14.520 --> 01:05:16.020 I was like, surely Taylor's got to know this. 01:05:16.180 --> 01:05:17.780 I was like, why is he not bringing it up? 01:05:18.540 --> 01:05:20.380 I've honestly not seen this. 01:05:20.560 --> 01:05:23.800 I think in the back of my head, I've probably heard it once. 01:05:24.340 --> 01:05:28.600 I don't know the Bible off by heart, so it's one that's... 01:05:29.120 --> 01:05:31.040 And it's not even just once as well. 01:05:31.160 --> 01:05:36.540 It continues to bring up to the Ark of the Covenant to the Lord, the city of David in 01:05:36.540 --> 01:05:41.120 Zion, so that all of the men will be assembling to them before King Solomon. 01:05:41.340 --> 01:05:44.380 So Solomon's doing this and bringing people to Solomon. 01:05:44.840 --> 01:05:48.960 And then before King Solomon, say, quite a few times as well. 01:05:49.180 --> 01:05:49.800 That's perfect. 01:05:50.980 --> 01:05:53.000 I'm going to have to add that to my notes. 01:05:53.440 --> 01:05:54.440 Where's my notebook? 01:05:54.440 --> 01:06:03.600 And also, I think where some of the confusion comes in is that how they talk, 01:06:03.680 --> 01:06:09.600 how they talk in Hebrew sometimes is why we don't talk in that way. 01:06:09.820 --> 01:06:14.780 Like, for example, Jesus and God and other people refer to themselves in the third 01:06:14.780 --> 01:06:17.340 person, but that doesn't mean that there's another person. 01:06:17.340 --> 01:06:23.640 So like when Jesus says, when the son of man returns, will he find faith in the 01:06:23.640 --> 01:06:23.940 earth? 01:06:24.120 --> 01:06:26.400 Well, obviously there's only one son of man. 01:06:26.780 --> 01:06:29.800 So it's just, I think that there's a word for that. 01:06:29.920 --> 01:06:33.400 It's called Iliasm, which is where you refer to yourself in third person. 01:06:33.400 --> 01:06:36.320 And even Lamech in Genesis 4... 01:06:36.320 --> 01:06:37.860 Can I just take a second? 01:06:38.000 --> 01:06:40.700 I just want to tell anyone that's watching on TikTok, because they probably don't 01:06:40.700 --> 01:06:41.500 know what's going on here. 01:06:41.500 --> 01:06:44.980 TikTok, I'm on YouTube, on Stand, on Scripture. 01:06:45.060 --> 01:06:48.400 If you want to hear the conversation, go over there and watch it. 01:06:48.500 --> 01:06:51.260 You'll just look at the live stream and you'll be able to hear this. 01:06:51.360 --> 01:06:53.100 That's why I'm not reading things. 01:06:53.180 --> 01:06:53.800 I'm just talking. 01:06:54.400 --> 01:06:55.000 Sorry, go on. 01:06:56.960 --> 01:07:01.880 And as Genesis 4, 23, it says, Lamech said to his wives, Adah and Zillah, 01:07:02.440 --> 01:07:05.360 hear my voice, ye wives of Lamech. 01:07:05.480 --> 01:07:07.280 Yeah, I've heard that one. 01:07:07.560 --> 01:07:09.660 I've heard that one, but it didn't come to mind. 01:07:11.460 --> 01:07:19.200 It's not that there's another person, it's just this is the way that they would 01:07:19.200 --> 01:07:19.680 talk. 01:07:20.160 --> 01:07:20.960 Yeah, Lamech said to his wives. 01:07:20.960 --> 01:07:27.120 You'll see God talk in third person as if he's somebody else, but so does Jesus and 01:07:27.120 --> 01:07:28.560 so does Lamech here as well. 01:07:30.880 --> 01:07:34.740 I've heard this one before, but it just never came to mind. 01:07:34.940 --> 01:07:41.180 I've only heard it so many times that it's not stuck where you're speaking in third 01:07:41.180 --> 01:07:41.600 person. 01:07:42.320 --> 01:07:43.300 But there's another one. 01:07:44.580 --> 01:07:47.080 Tyler, do you want to add anything to that? 01:07:48.840 --> 01:07:50.220 I'm really uncomfortable. 01:07:52.040 --> 01:07:54.520 I do have a question for David. 01:07:54.520 --> 01:08:00.060 So, David, do you believe Jesus is the exact image of the Father? 01:08:06.610 --> 01:08:07.670 I think he is. 01:08:07.710 --> 01:08:12.970 He is like the complete embodiment, I guess you would say. 01:08:13.050 --> 01:08:25.910 Maybe like a perfect representation of the Father's character, that his character and 01:08:25.910 --> 01:08:28.330 everything is a perfect representation of God. 01:08:28.850 --> 01:08:29.910 Oh, good, good. 01:08:29.990 --> 01:08:32.970 So you agree that Jesus is as good as God is? 01:08:36.720 --> 01:08:37.860 Well, he acts just like him. 01:08:38.620 --> 01:08:45.280 So if God is righteous and Jesus acts like God or is like God, then Jesus is 01:08:45.280 --> 01:08:45.620 righteous. 01:08:45.900 --> 01:08:48.200 So he would be like God in that way. 01:08:48.220 --> 01:08:49.500 I absolutely agree. 01:08:50.160 --> 01:08:51.860 I would like to see a David as well. 01:08:52.040 --> 01:08:52.540 Shabbat shalom. 01:08:52.720 --> 01:08:53.740 It's a feast of trumpets today. 01:08:53.840 --> 01:08:54.800 I'm not sure if you knew that. 01:08:55.380 --> 01:08:56.720 Are you celebrating it today? 01:08:56.720 --> 01:08:58.140 Of course I am. 01:08:58.300 --> 01:09:01.760 They've seen the first slither of the moon in Israel. 01:09:02.940 --> 01:09:03.660 Shabbat shalom. 01:09:04.820 --> 01:09:07.380 I thought that was yesterday anyways. 01:09:10.720 --> 01:09:13.020 It starts on the first slither of the moon. 01:09:13.360 --> 01:09:14.140 That was last night. 01:09:14.220 --> 01:09:16.520 Last night was the first slither, so this is the first day. 01:09:16.940 --> 01:09:18.740 Oh, OK, so it's multiple days. 01:09:18.880 --> 01:09:19.440 OK, gotcha. 01:09:19.480 --> 01:09:20.120 No, just one day. 01:09:21.780 --> 01:09:23.900 Day starts at sunset. 01:09:24.260 --> 01:09:30.860 So sunset, what would be yesterday for you, like last night, is the actual start 01:09:30.860 --> 01:09:31.480 of Thursday. 01:09:31.880 --> 01:09:35.760 So when the sun went down last night, that is the start of today. 01:09:36.720 --> 01:09:38.060 Oh, OK, I gotcha. 01:09:38.140 --> 01:09:38.760 I gotcha. 01:09:39.340 --> 01:09:40.400 Well, good to know. 01:09:41.580 --> 01:09:46.260 So what's your view on this, Tyler, the points that he's raising, the way, 01:09:46.480 --> 01:09:47.460 the form of speaking. 01:09:48.320 --> 01:09:53.920 Lamech is speaking of himself in that third person singular, kind of talking of 01:09:53.920 --> 01:09:54.400 himself. 01:09:54.780 --> 01:10:01.580 And in the verse that we're seeing before about Solomon, again, we see that exact 01:10:01.580 --> 01:10:02.940 same situation. 01:10:04.700 --> 01:10:07.720 Yeah, I suppose you do have a point there. 01:10:10.200 --> 01:10:13.500 Chris Cox says, why do you call me good? 01:10:13.820 --> 01:10:15.360 No one is good but them, God. 01:10:17.280 --> 01:10:22.240 So he's not good in a sense like God is, because God's the only one that can do 01:10:22.240 --> 01:10:22.700 everything. 01:10:23.060 --> 01:10:23.740 Jesus can't. 01:10:23.840 --> 01:10:25.280 He needs God to do it. 01:10:25.720 --> 01:10:29.700 But David just said that Jesus is as good as God is, and he's a perfect 01:10:29.700 --> 01:10:31.340 representation of God's character. 01:10:31.340 --> 01:10:32.300 So that's a problem. 01:10:37.220 --> 01:10:42.660 I think what was what's happening is when when that man comes to Jesus and says, 01:10:42.720 --> 01:10:45.160 you know, good master, he's flattering. 01:10:45.520 --> 01:10:47.260 He's trying to flatter Jesus. 01:10:48.240 --> 01:10:53.180 And how I try to look at certain statements, like when you have like 01:10:53.180 --> 01:11:00.060 absolute statements like nobody else but or no or like, OK, so there's no other 01:11:00.060 --> 01:11:00.480 savior. 01:11:00.480 --> 01:11:01.660 There's no other God. 01:11:02.040 --> 01:11:02.880 Nobody's good. 01:11:03.040 --> 01:11:06.820 But then you read about other gods, you read about other saviors, you read 01:11:06.820 --> 01:11:08.040 about people that are good. 01:11:09.320 --> 01:11:14.620 So when Jesus says there's nobody good but God, he's saying like in an inherent 01:11:14.620 --> 01:11:21.680 sense, like in terms of like the worthiness of like honor and just like 01:11:21.680 --> 01:11:22.720 flattery like that. 01:11:22.720 --> 01:11:25.580 It's like saying don't you only have one father. 01:11:25.740 --> 01:11:29.420 Don't call any man father, but God you have because you have one father. 01:11:30.020 --> 01:11:34.960 But yet Jesus and the apostles would call refer to Abraham as their fathers. 01:11:37.540 --> 01:11:40.680 Paul would refer to other people as fathers. 01:11:41.240 --> 01:11:44.900 Paul even said through the gospel, I have become your father. 01:11:45.720 --> 01:11:48.120 But yet Jesus said, don't call anybody your father. 01:11:48.200 --> 01:11:51.220 Is it in an absolute you can never say that sense? 01:11:51.220 --> 01:11:56.120 No, there's a specific way of what that means to say there's nobody good, 01:11:56.220 --> 01:12:00.760 but God, because there's two people in the New Testament that are said that are good. 01:12:01.740 --> 01:12:03.820 I want to answer this as well. 01:12:04.140 --> 01:12:08.160 I've actually been what seems to be blocked or banned by them. 01:12:08.680 --> 01:12:13.480 Last week when I was on this, I called into it and I was just talking about the 01:12:13.480 --> 01:12:14.160 law of God. 01:12:14.440 --> 01:12:20.280 These are Unitarians to anyone that's new on the channel that don't like God's 01:12:20.280 --> 01:12:20.820 Torah. 01:12:21.320 --> 01:12:25.860 And they've basically blacklisted me from their channel because they talked about 01:12:25.860 --> 01:12:26.040 it. 01:12:26.320 --> 01:12:28.400 So I came into the conversation. 01:12:28.820 --> 01:12:32.620 It was like an hour after and they were like, I don't want to have him on anymore 01:12:32.620 --> 01:12:33.980 because he's speaking about law. 01:12:34.080 --> 01:12:35.600 He makes it about the law. 01:12:35.820 --> 01:12:37.180 I never actually talked about the law. 01:12:37.180 --> 01:12:38.960 It was them talking about it. 01:12:39.320 --> 01:12:41.580 Then I came into the conversation as well. 01:12:42.460 --> 01:12:46.400 So, yeah, I won't be on it because they don't want me on it. 01:12:49.940 --> 01:12:52.240 I'm not sure if you're going on the Heretic Friday. 01:12:52.860 --> 01:12:53.640 I don't know. 01:12:53.660 --> 01:12:55.420 I don't know where I'll be. 01:12:56.260 --> 01:12:57.620 If I'll be able to get on. 01:12:58.440 --> 01:13:05.720 Would you pull up, Taylor, Acts 11, 22 through 24? 01:13:10.440 --> 01:13:15.280 So we can look at this in comparison to how when Jesus said, why do you call me 01:13:15.280 --> 01:13:15.520 good? 01:13:15.540 --> 01:13:17.260 There's nobody good but God. 01:13:17.620 --> 01:13:21.280 But yet there right here, it clearly says Barnabas was a good man. 01:13:21.780 --> 01:13:24.380 And obviously we think that Jesus was good. 01:13:24.380 --> 01:13:25.700 But there's a. 01:13:27.040 --> 01:13:30.180 I think there's a hard issue and a focus issue. 01:13:31.880 --> 01:13:36.820 Because people in those days were really into flattering the teachers and. 01:13:38.660 --> 01:13:41.420 Maybe, maybe it's the same why you're calling me God. 01:13:41.900 --> 01:13:46.720 Because if this person is a good man and they're saying he's a good man. 01:13:46.900 --> 01:13:50.080 Maybe it's the same why you call me good in the sense of God. 01:13:50.080 --> 01:13:54.700 Maybe there's a certain word that only was related to Jehovah. 01:13:55.300 --> 01:13:57.820 It's possible if it was in Hebrews anyway. 01:13:58.560 --> 01:14:05.780 And there's the steps of a good man show is like Psalms 112, 5. 01:14:05.920 --> 01:14:08.660 A good man shows favor and lends. 01:14:08.780 --> 01:14:10.760 He will guide his affairs with discretion. 01:14:11.560 --> 01:14:14.860 A good man leaves an inheritance to his children's children. 01:14:15.620 --> 01:14:18.540 And the wealth of the center is laid up for the righteous. 01:14:20.280 --> 01:14:21.600 A good man. 01:14:21.960 --> 01:14:26.860 And Jesus even said a good man out of the good treasure of the heart brings forth 01:14:26.860 --> 01:14:27.720 good things. 01:14:28.240 --> 01:14:32.780 And an evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth evil things. 01:14:34.560 --> 01:14:36.360 Luke 23, 50. 01:14:36.820 --> 01:14:41.000 Behold, there was a man named Joseph, a counselor, and he was a good man and 01:14:41.000 --> 01:14:41.340 righteous. 01:14:42.920 --> 01:14:47.480 You see, there's a problem, though, with your logic is because, you know, 01:14:47.540 --> 01:14:52.200 in these cases, for example, you know, in these cases, of course, there's many 01:14:52.200 --> 01:14:55.740 men who are called good, but they're only good in the comparative sense. 01:14:55.820 --> 01:14:57.300 Like, they're not absolutely good. 01:14:57.500 --> 01:14:59.240 They're not as good as God is. 01:14:59.360 --> 01:15:02.560 You know, there are other people who are called fathers, but, you know, 01:15:02.600 --> 01:15:05.900 they're not a father in the same way that God is our father. 01:15:05.900 --> 01:15:11.820 The thing is, though, you said earlier that Jesus is as good as God is. 01:15:12.160 --> 01:15:14.540 So, he's good in the same way. 01:15:15.240 --> 01:15:17.520 Because it's in the Bible that he's as good as God. 01:15:20.960 --> 01:15:22.900 Well, okay, is he not as good as God? 01:15:22.940 --> 01:15:23.960 Is he worse than God? 01:15:24.940 --> 01:15:27.340 Well, that's your view to make him worse. 01:15:27.460 --> 01:15:31.260 He's good, but he himself says, why do you call me good? 01:15:31.520 --> 01:15:35.520 There's only one that is good, and that's God. 01:15:36.040 --> 01:15:40.940 He was showing that you can be good in humans' sake, but in God's sake, 01:15:41.520 --> 01:15:44.780 everyone's laying dirty rags and stuff. 01:15:45.460 --> 01:15:46.340 Including Jesus? 01:15:48.640 --> 01:15:51.160 Well, nobody says, why do you call me good? 01:15:51.420 --> 01:15:52.500 Because he's not good, is he? 01:15:53.020 --> 01:15:55.140 He's not able to do all the things that God can do. 01:15:55.180 --> 01:15:56.380 He's not perfectly good. 01:15:56.820 --> 01:15:57.700 He's not perfect? 01:15:58.240 --> 01:15:59.700 He's not perfectly good. 01:16:01.700 --> 01:16:03.080 Listen to what I'm saying, Tyler. 01:16:04.360 --> 01:16:06.820 Well, I mean, yeah, he's not perfect like God. 01:16:06.960 --> 01:16:10.760 I mean, that's what you just said, but that's not what the Bible says. 01:16:11.520 --> 01:16:17.080 Well, okay, can Jesus without God, ma'am, do miracles, wonders, and signs? 01:16:17.820 --> 01:16:21.720 Jesus cannot do anything without God, because he cannot be separated from God. 01:16:21.880 --> 01:16:24.320 So he's not God, because he can't do it without God. 01:16:25.040 --> 01:16:27.380 He cannot be separated from the Father. 01:16:27.520 --> 01:16:28.740 He and the Father are one. 01:16:29.400 --> 01:16:31.140 So how could he do things without the Father? 01:16:31.660 --> 01:16:32.160 So are we. 01:16:32.160 --> 01:16:33.520 Not in the same way. 01:16:33.820 --> 01:16:38.420 Yeah, and I'll put up, you are one, as we are one. 01:16:40.240 --> 01:16:46.520 But okay, but you know, the two verses before that, it talks about how no one 01:16:46.520 --> 01:16:49.160 will pluck them out of his hand. 01:16:49.680 --> 01:16:52.820 Yeah, so God gave us to Jesus. 01:16:53.640 --> 01:16:58.540 God gave us to Jesus, and no one will pluck us out of his hand, because he keeps 01:16:58.540 --> 01:16:59.680 the protection of us. 01:16:59.680 --> 01:17:05.580 He says, I am not asking on behalf of them alone, but on behalf of those who believe 01:17:05.580 --> 01:17:11.920 in me through their message, that all of them may be one as you are one, 01:17:12.560 --> 01:17:14.820 sorry, as you, Father, are in me. 01:17:15.060 --> 01:17:21.200 So what he's saying here is, they may be one as, which is a likelihood to, 01:17:21.960 --> 01:17:26.280 as we are one, you are in me, may they be one. 01:17:27.250 --> 01:17:36.480 So that all of them may be one as you, Father, are in me, and I am in you, 01:17:36.920 --> 01:17:42.980 may they also be in us, so that the world may believe that you sent me. 01:17:43.560 --> 01:17:48.580 So we're like, or as, one as they are one. 01:17:48.700 --> 01:17:54.040 It doesn't say in any way, shape or form, there's a difference in oneness. 01:17:54.040 --> 01:17:56.120 You have to prove that. 01:17:56.860 --> 01:18:04.360 Okay, so can anyone pluck Christians out of your hand, Taylor? 01:18:05.440 --> 01:18:10.160 Not if God puts them in my hand, and God said that about me, Daniel. 01:18:10.800 --> 01:18:13.320 No, no one's putting anyone in your hand. 01:18:13.500 --> 01:18:14.560 We're in Jesus' hand. 01:18:15.040 --> 01:18:17.780 Yeah, because Jesus is a different person, isn't he? 01:18:17.820 --> 01:18:18.520 He's the Messiah. 01:18:18.700 --> 01:18:20.540 It was prophesied of him, this stuff. 01:18:21.340 --> 01:18:26.320 But you see, the thing is, in the two verses prior to John 10, 30, where he 01:18:26.320 --> 01:18:29.860 says, you know, I and the Father are one, he says it in the context of, he says, 01:18:29.920 --> 01:18:33.940 you know, no one can pluck, you know, believers out of my hand, you know, 01:18:33.940 --> 01:18:36.980 in the same way that no one can pluck believers out of the Father's hand. 01:18:37.200 --> 01:18:40.580 So if you're one in the same way, then that means you're one in that way, 01:18:40.820 --> 01:18:43.460 which means that no one can pluck believers out of your hand. 01:18:43.460 --> 01:18:44.680 It doesn't say that. 01:18:44.820 --> 01:18:49.560 And literally, when it says we are one as they are one, it doesn't mean that they 01:18:49.560 --> 01:18:51.840 are one in the sense that you can't be plucked around. 01:18:52.020 --> 01:18:55.880 It's one in agreement, in spirit. 01:18:57.080 --> 01:19:00.000 How is the Father in Jesus? 01:19:00.140 --> 01:19:02.340 Because that's what it literally says in the context, yeah? 01:19:02.840 --> 01:19:09.900 It says that you are in me and I am in you, may they be in us so that the world 01:19:09.900 --> 01:19:11.820 will know that you sent me. 01:19:11.820 --> 01:19:14.420 So we are in them, in them. 01:19:14.500 --> 01:19:19.900 It doesn't say anything about taking from the hand in this context of being one. 01:19:21.000 --> 01:19:24.320 And this, well, see, cool, because you are correlating this to John 10.30, 01:19:24.360 --> 01:19:26.120 and that is what John 10.30 is talking about. 01:19:26.260 --> 01:19:30.600 But you actually, this is a good point, though, because it says that we will be in 01:19:30.600 --> 01:19:31.060 them. 01:19:31.580 --> 01:19:35.540 See, I will not be in you, you will not be in me, but we will both be in Jesus. 01:19:35.920 --> 01:19:37.000 Can you explain that? 01:19:37.000 --> 01:19:38.380 Yeah, and they're in us. 01:19:39.140 --> 01:19:40.140 And we are one. 01:19:40.680 --> 01:19:42.380 But why is Jesus... 01:19:42.380 --> 01:19:43.240 One second, I'm answering your question. 01:19:43.360 --> 01:19:43.660 One second. 01:19:43.980 --> 01:19:48.140 It says that me, we, sorry, that they all may be one. 01:19:48.260 --> 01:19:49.440 So we are one. 01:19:49.760 --> 01:19:52.380 I am in you, you are in me, held by the Spirit. 01:19:52.840 --> 01:19:57.420 May they be all one, as you, Father, are in me. 01:19:57.580 --> 01:20:03.320 So may we be in each other, as the Father is in Jesus, and Jesus is in the Father, 01:20:03.680 --> 01:20:05.180 and they will be in us. 01:20:06.560 --> 01:20:10.640 Yeah, but Jesus and the Father are specifically grouped together. 01:20:11.000 --> 01:20:11.540 Why is that? 01:20:11.860 --> 01:20:12.220 And we are. 01:20:13.260 --> 01:20:16.480 Yeah, but they're specifically, like, we are in them, not just we're in 01:20:16.480 --> 01:20:19.000 the Father, we are in them specifically. 01:20:19.820 --> 01:20:20.860 Why are they grouped together? 01:20:21.040 --> 01:20:22.460 Because that's how it's been stated. 01:20:22.880 --> 01:20:24.080 So Jesus is special. 01:20:24.720 --> 01:20:28.980 No, because Jesus at this time is talking about how the Spirit is in him, 01:20:29.280 --> 01:20:30.880 that they will be one. 01:20:31.200 --> 01:20:32.060 They will be one. 01:20:32.060 --> 01:20:34.520 Once he dies, he breathed the Holy Spirit onto them. 01:20:34.620 --> 01:20:39.440 They got the Spirit from the Pentecost. 01:20:39.720 --> 01:20:40.960 The Spirit went into them. 01:20:41.060 --> 01:20:41.760 That's how they're one. 01:20:42.200 --> 01:20:46.760 At that time, I don't believe, I could be wrong on this, that they were 01:20:46.760 --> 01:20:47.680 one in the same way. 01:20:50.220 --> 01:20:56.620 Yeah, we're not, because Jesus and the Father are one in salvation, whereas we 01:20:56.620 --> 01:20:56.980 are not. 01:20:57.040 --> 01:20:58.440 Like, you're not going to save anyone. 01:20:58.580 --> 01:20:59.760 I'm not going to save anyone. 01:20:59.900 --> 01:21:00.940 Only God does. 01:21:00.940 --> 01:21:03.400 So you're saying you wouldn't save anyone? 01:21:03.740 --> 01:21:05.120 You wouldn't let people die or drown? 01:21:06.160 --> 01:21:10.340 No, no, I'm not talking, I'm talking about, like, salvation. 01:21:11.460 --> 01:21:16.400 No, well, then Jesus doesn't, if God didn't accept him as the sacrifice and 01:21:16.400 --> 01:21:18.380 just went, well, it's just another person that was murdered. 01:21:18.940 --> 01:21:22.800 Yes, he was perfect, but, you know, I don't like human beings being murdered 01:21:22.800 --> 01:21:23.680 and stuff. 01:21:24.360 --> 01:21:29.300 Then if God didn't accept it, then he wouldn't have been a saviour, would he? 01:21:29.340 --> 01:21:34.380 If God didn't accept him as the saviour, as the Messiah, as the one that died to a 01:21:34.380 --> 01:21:35.120 sacrificial lamb. 01:21:36.900 --> 01:21:40.160 Well, I mean, no, that's not how it works. 01:21:40.280 --> 01:21:44.780 It's not, no, Jesus, it's not like, oh, you know, God just accepted Jesus, 01:21:44.780 --> 01:21:48.340 like he wouldn't not accept Jesus because they are one. 01:21:48.540 --> 01:21:49.460 They've always been one. 01:21:49.460 --> 01:21:50.360 And we are one. 01:21:50.540 --> 01:21:51.720 We've just had this conversation. 01:21:52.260 --> 01:21:53.180 Not in the same way. 01:21:53.960 --> 01:21:57.220 We're just saying that is the difference, because I've literally shown you in the 01:21:57.220 --> 01:22:03.400 scripture, may they be one as we are one, or you are in me and I am in you, 01:22:03.920 --> 01:22:05.940 as is literally a likening to. 01:22:06.020 --> 01:22:08.360 Now you've got to prove that we are not one in the same way. 01:22:09.580 --> 01:22:12.900 Because if you look at the context, you haven't addressed this yet, 01:22:13.040 --> 01:22:17.220 if you look at the context, you know, John 10, 28 to 30, Jesus says, 01:22:17.220 --> 01:22:19.140 No one will pluck them out of my hand. 01:22:19.220 --> 01:22:20.720 No one will pluck them out of the Father's hand. 01:22:21.160 --> 01:22:22.160 I and the Father are one. 01:22:22.360 --> 01:22:25.800 They are one in the sense that they are one in salvation. 01:22:25.980 --> 01:22:28.740 They are one in the sense that no one will pluck anyone out of their hands. 01:22:29.100 --> 01:22:31.000 So are you one in that way? 01:22:31.640 --> 01:22:32.560 It doesn't say that. 01:22:32.560 --> 01:22:36.980 Wouldn't it make sense, wouldn't it make sense that it's talking about they're one 01:22:36.980 --> 01:22:41.740 and that they're working together like they're doing their own, it's like they're 01:22:41.740 --> 01:22:42.480 in agreement. 01:22:43.400 --> 01:22:44.840 They're working together. 01:22:44.940 --> 01:22:50.760 They're in unity, which as Taylor just brought up, it says, Father, that they, 01:22:50.940 --> 01:22:55.240 that you, me and Taylor are all one, just like God and Jesus are one. 01:22:55.420 --> 01:22:56.820 He says it literally like that. 01:22:56.960 --> 01:23:00.280 May they be one just like you and me are one. 01:23:00.280 --> 01:23:01.740 They're working together. 01:23:01.900 --> 01:23:02.780 That's the whole purpose. 01:23:03.360 --> 01:23:06.360 When you work together with people, you're on the same accord, you have the 01:23:06.360 --> 01:23:07.980 same mission, you have the same goals. 01:23:08.660 --> 01:23:10.280 You're essentially plowing together. 01:23:11.420 --> 01:23:13.060 That's how I look at it. 01:23:13.060 --> 01:23:19.500 If I was, if I'm one with David, if David, for example, goes on to that 01:23:19.500 --> 01:23:23.820 Heretic Friday, obviously I'm not allowed to, it would be like I am there though, 01:23:23.900 --> 01:23:25.700 because he's one in agreement with me. 01:23:25.740 --> 01:23:27.140 I don't need to be personally there. 01:23:27.380 --> 01:23:29.500 I am there because I'm one with him. 01:23:29.780 --> 01:23:35.100 He's in agreement in, I think, in most things, if not all, in regards to 01:23:35.100 --> 01:23:36.520 law and so on and so forth. 01:23:36.520 --> 01:23:39.660 We might differ on some things because we're at different points, both of us, 01:23:39.900 --> 01:23:46.780 but it will be like I am there because I'm one with him in total agreement in God, 01:23:46.940 --> 01:23:47.560 in his spirit. 01:23:47.860 --> 01:23:50.480 And it will be God being there through him. 01:23:50.800 --> 01:23:53.160 It will be the Messiah being there through him. 01:23:53.540 --> 01:23:54.540 That's what I was talking about. 01:23:55.160 --> 01:23:55.820 We'll see. 01:23:55.980 --> 01:23:56.900 Here's the problem. 01:23:57.080 --> 01:24:02.500 So, you know, like, you know, like David was saying that, uh, well, you know, 01:24:02.520 --> 01:24:06.060 it's basically that they're like Jesus and the father are one in the sense that, 01:24:06.160 --> 01:24:07.420 like, they do the same thing. 01:24:07.480 --> 01:24:09.660 They have the same duty and stuff like that. 01:24:09.800 --> 01:24:11.940 And if David wants to argue that, that's fine. 01:24:12.040 --> 01:24:17.960 But see, your problem is that then you have to say that, like, we are one in the 01:24:17.960 --> 01:24:18.440 same duty. 01:24:18.440 --> 01:24:23.640 So basically, in the same way that Jesus saves us and that Jesus is Lord over us, 01:24:24.060 --> 01:24:27.920 we must be, you know, we must be Lord and savior. 01:24:28.140 --> 01:24:30.340 So now I guess we're all Lord and saviors. 01:24:30.700 --> 01:24:33.240 No, we're one in the same way, right? 01:24:33.760 --> 01:24:35.840 No, that's not how it is. 01:24:36.200 --> 01:24:40.940 The saving's been done, but we are one by spreading the news of the saving. 01:24:41.300 --> 01:24:46.600 Yeshua was one that was prophesied of being a savior in the sense of him coming 01:24:46.600 --> 01:24:47.200 to die. 01:24:47.200 --> 01:24:49.720 But we will die like him. 01:24:50.200 --> 01:24:54.800 Yeah, we will be judged to death and we spread the truth. 01:24:54.920 --> 01:24:58.760 That is our, um, our, what's the word I'm looking for? 01:24:58.980 --> 01:24:59.660 Like our walk. 01:24:59.860 --> 01:25:04.420 We take the news of the death of our Messiah to people. 01:25:04.560 --> 01:25:08.760 And if that means by us dying, that's what's planned for us. 01:25:08.980 --> 01:25:10.900 God has a plan for every single human being. 01:25:10.900 --> 01:25:16.680 He knows, just like Jeremiah 1 verse 5, I knew you and that I would set you as a 01:25:16.680 --> 01:25:19.580 prophet before you even became a person. 01:25:20.060 --> 01:25:25.180 Everyone has a different walk that God has set out for us. 01:25:25.820 --> 01:25:29.880 So that would be like saying, well, Jesus wouldn't have been, if God didn't 01:25:29.880 --> 01:25:33.940 plan him for that walk for Jesus and pick someone else or pick 10 different people. 01:25:35.220 --> 01:25:37.680 So we're not one in the same way. 01:25:38.320 --> 01:25:40.300 No, we are one in the same way. 01:25:40.440 --> 01:25:41.920 We all have different walks. 01:25:42.440 --> 01:25:44.260 We are one in the spirit of God. 01:25:45.740 --> 01:25:50.560 Well, but see, David was just saying that like, we're one in like, like he was 01:25:50.560 --> 01:25:53.620 saying that Jesus and the father are one in the sense that they have like the same 01:25:53.620 --> 01:25:54.980 purpose and mission and goal. 01:25:55.060 --> 01:25:57.000 The thing is their purpose and mission and goal. 01:25:57.040 --> 01:26:00.620 And like what they do is like, you know, they are Jesus and the father or 01:26:00.620 --> 01:26:02.060 our Lord and savior. 01:26:02.260 --> 01:26:06.340 So according to his logic, we are all Lords and saviors as well, like in the 01:26:06.340 --> 01:26:06.920 same sense. 01:26:06.920 --> 01:26:13.620 I don't, I don't think it means it like, or I don't, I don't view it like that. 01:26:13.720 --> 01:26:16.580 Like, for example, with me at work. 01:26:16.760 --> 01:26:23.420 So for example, if, if I, my boss and I, if, I mean, if we're both, if we're both 01:26:23.420 --> 01:26:28.320 doing what we're supposed to be doing in the roles that we're called to be in for 01:26:28.320 --> 01:26:33.100 our job, we're both one, we're working together, but yet I don't run the 01:26:33.100 --> 01:26:33.640 business. 01:26:33.640 --> 01:26:40.020 My boss does, but yet we can still be one because we are working together and we are 01:26:40.020 --> 01:26:42.920 in unity because we're both working for the business. 01:26:43.060 --> 01:26:44.500 We're both contributing to the business. 01:26:44.640 --> 01:26:48.960 We have the same goals, but it's that she's in a higher rank than me. 01:26:49.220 --> 01:26:53.400 Just like there might be people below me that have a different duty or a job, 01:26:53.520 --> 01:26:54.680 but yet they're still one. 01:26:55.640 --> 01:26:58.040 So I don't, I, I, that's how I view it. 01:26:58.040 --> 01:27:01.340 When it says like being one with each other, it's what we're on one accord. 01:27:01.500 --> 01:27:02.660 We're working together. 01:27:02.780 --> 01:27:06.920 It doesn't mean that we're all on the same level, so I can be one with Jesus, 01:27:06.960 --> 01:27:09.140 but that doesn't mean that I'm the salvation. 01:27:09.660 --> 01:27:15.120 He is the one that's, that's going to say that's the judge and is the savior, 01:27:15.120 --> 01:27:18.520 but yet I can still be one with him and not be the savior. 01:27:18.640 --> 01:27:19.700 If that makes sense. 01:27:21.200 --> 01:27:24.260 I would like to ask Tyler who saved Jesus. 01:27:26.540 --> 01:27:30.980 Well, I mean, the father saved Jesus from the cross. 01:27:31.120 --> 01:27:32.260 Like he saved Jesus from death. 01:27:33.060 --> 01:27:35.460 So therefore Jesus has to save you. 01:27:36.720 --> 01:27:40.200 In the sense that the father saved him from, you know, death. 01:27:40.300 --> 01:27:40.640 Yes. 01:27:41.120 --> 01:27:43.880 But he doesn't have a savior from sin or anything like that. 01:27:44.640 --> 01:27:50.120 Well, Jesus has a savior from death, taking him from death. 01:27:50.340 --> 01:27:54.380 So the ultimate savior is the father who is the savior. 01:27:54.540 --> 01:27:58.660 Then you've got Jesus who is our savior because of God's plan, the predominant 01:27:58.660 --> 01:27:58.980 plan. 01:27:59.980 --> 01:28:03.260 In Acts 2, verse 31, it says, 01:28:16.580 --> 01:28:27.060 So God saved Jesus. 01:28:27.060 --> 01:28:31.520 Jesus saves us and he does like what God does, but he's not God. 01:28:39.620 --> 01:28:41.060 No, that's not what I said. 01:28:41.180 --> 01:28:43.180 I said that God saved Jesus. 01:28:44.260 --> 01:28:45.320 Because he's not God. 01:28:45.500 --> 01:28:46.220 Jesus is not God. 01:28:46.320 --> 01:28:47.260 He couldn't resurrect himself. 01:28:47.560 --> 01:28:49.320 It was God who resurrected him. 01:28:50.440 --> 01:28:54.920 This is, see, this is the same logic that the Pharisees used when they were accusing 01:28:54.920 --> 01:28:55.300 Jesus. 01:28:55.300 --> 01:29:01.140 They told Jesus, if you are really the king of the Jews, get yourself up off that 01:29:01.140 --> 01:29:01.540 cross. 01:29:01.740 --> 01:29:05.020 You know, they also mocked Jesus and said, oh, you know, you're not powerful enough 01:29:05.020 --> 01:29:06.080 to do this, do that. 01:29:06.520 --> 01:29:09.080 And this is the same logic that you're using. 01:29:10.140 --> 01:29:12.100 But they were right, though, in that sense, though, weren't they? 01:29:12.120 --> 01:29:15.900 Because it was by God, Jehovah's will, that he would be crushed. 01:29:16.340 --> 01:29:19.920 So he couldn't go against God's will because he's not God. 01:29:20.520 --> 01:29:22.840 So you're agreeing with the Pharisees? 01:29:23.500 --> 01:29:27.220 No, I'm just stating that they were right in that sense, though, that he couldn't do 01:29:27.220 --> 01:29:29.740 it because God is the only one that can do it. 01:29:29.880 --> 01:29:31.980 But he knew that he had to do God's will. 01:29:33.040 --> 01:29:36.080 Well, you know, in the narrative, it was clear that the Pharisees were 01:29:36.080 --> 01:29:39.180 mocking Jesus and saying that he couldn't do it. 01:29:39.520 --> 01:29:41.720 So you're mocking Jesus like them? 01:29:42.620 --> 01:29:45.460 No, I'm stating that they were right in that sense. 01:29:45.720 --> 01:29:46.940 I didn't say that I'm mocking them. 01:29:46.940 --> 01:29:50.940 Okay, were the Pharisees right when they said, Thou makest thyself God? 01:29:51.080 --> 01:29:53.920 Or were they right when they said that he was making himself equal with God? 01:29:54.980 --> 01:29:55.080 No. 01:29:56.120 --> 01:29:57.060 Ah, okay. 01:29:57.420 --> 01:29:57.780 Gotcha. 01:29:59.340 --> 01:30:00.980 Two different contexts. 01:30:01.500 --> 01:30:06.320 One, they were saying something that was correct in the sense that he couldn't save 01:30:06.320 --> 01:30:06.920 himself. 01:30:07.100 --> 01:30:09.740 It was God who saves, and God did save him. 01:30:10.360 --> 01:30:11.700 That's what they were indicating, though. 01:30:11.740 --> 01:30:15.140 I'm not saying what they fully said in the context was right. 01:30:15.140 --> 01:30:19.280 I said there was a point in that thing that they're saying that is correct. 01:30:19.680 --> 01:30:21.460 Because only God could save him. 01:30:22.760 --> 01:30:25.380 It's only God that did the miracles, wonders, and signs to him. 01:30:26.400 --> 01:30:31.360 I'm not saying what they said in total was right, but there is a hint of rightness 01:30:31.360 --> 01:30:34.420 there, that because only the Father can do the miracles through him. 01:30:37.320 --> 01:30:40.000 Okay, yeah, the Father and the Son work together. 01:30:40.140 --> 01:30:40.660 They are one. 01:30:40.840 --> 01:30:42.520 That does not debunk my point. 01:30:44.800 --> 01:30:48.860 Tell me, David, so you know how Jesus says he's the only way to the Father? 01:30:50.560 --> 01:30:53.020 So there's not multiple ways to the Father. 01:30:53.180 --> 01:30:54.100 There's only one way. 01:30:54.240 --> 01:30:55.420 It's by having faith in Jesus. 01:30:55.800 --> 01:30:58.660 So does Jesus have to have faith in himself to get to the Father? 01:31:03.610 --> 01:31:08.050 I think, for me, I'll just share how I view that verse. 01:31:09.530 --> 01:31:12.550 Nobody has gotten to the Father yet. 01:31:12.550 --> 01:31:17.730 So Jesus is the one that decides who gets into the kingdom. 01:31:18.590 --> 01:31:24.170 So that's how I view that Jesus being the way in, is that he's the one that decides 01:31:24.170 --> 01:31:24.870 who gets in. 01:31:27.430 --> 01:31:35.290 So he's not like his own way, but he's the one that's designated by God to allow or 01:31:35.290 --> 01:31:37.990 not allow people to get to God, if that makes sense. 01:31:39.810 --> 01:31:42.810 I would like to ask Talia a question. 01:31:43.950 --> 01:31:47.110 It's the same question I asked you, I think, two years ago. 01:31:48.230 --> 01:31:50.070 Jesus is man. 01:31:50.650 --> 01:31:52.590 You claim that Jesus is also God. 01:31:53.050 --> 01:31:56.490 Is God ever, ever at all a created thing? 01:31:57.970 --> 01:31:58.370 No. 01:31:59.210 --> 01:32:01.850 And Jesus is a created thing, so he can't be God? 01:32:02.670 --> 01:32:05.370 His human and divine nature are separate. 01:32:05.370 --> 01:32:07.710 But he's still man. 01:32:08.010 --> 01:32:11.310 Otherwise he was just a piece of flesh walking about with God in him, 01:32:11.510 --> 01:32:14.150 therefore he wouldn't feel pain. 01:32:14.990 --> 01:32:18.150 No, his divine and human nature are separate. 01:32:19.490 --> 01:32:23.410 But he still felt pain, so he's still a human being of flesh. 01:32:25.230 --> 01:32:30.550 If he's God, he's just a God in flesh, which is created. 01:32:30.550 --> 01:32:35.710 Because if he's not the flesh, then I could say Aldwin, but if he is the 01:32:35.710 --> 01:32:40.110 flesh, which would say the word became flesh, therefore he's not God. 01:32:40.630 --> 01:32:41.810 He was God. 01:32:41.930 --> 01:32:44.430 The word was God, but it became flesh. 01:32:45.070 --> 01:32:46.070 It's not God. 01:32:48.070 --> 01:32:50.190 Otherwise it would say the word is God. 01:32:50.870 --> 01:32:52.030 The word is not God. 01:32:52.350 --> 01:32:54.090 It says the word was God. 01:32:54.290 --> 01:32:56.550 God spoke, and it became Jesus. 01:32:57.010 --> 01:32:59.290 So God stopped being God. 01:32:59.290 --> 01:33:04.750 No, the word of God stopped by becoming a created thing. 01:33:05.410 --> 01:33:08.370 It goes out and achieves what God sets it out to. 01:33:08.810 --> 01:33:10.610 So God stopped being God. 01:33:10.950 --> 01:33:11.970 That makes no sense. 01:33:12.710 --> 01:33:13.390 God does not change. 01:33:13.630 --> 01:33:14.490 The word isn't a person. 01:33:14.970 --> 01:33:16.190 God is always God. 01:33:16.510 --> 01:33:18.170 His word achieves. 01:33:18.310 --> 01:33:19.690 It becomes a created thing. 01:33:21.630 --> 01:33:31.930 So if Jesus is human, and he felt the pain, he was a baby, he would have 01:33:31.930 --> 01:33:36.570 obviously went to the toilet, fed, did all these different things, 01:33:36.710 --> 01:33:38.890 went to the synagogue, taught, and so on. 01:33:39.470 --> 01:33:42.230 He lived a human life, therefore he's a created thing. 01:33:42.350 --> 01:33:44.030 Otherwise, he's not. 01:33:44.950 --> 01:33:46.750 I just explained this. 01:33:46.930 --> 01:33:50.710 He is flesh and divine. 01:33:51.590 --> 01:33:53.670 So he's created because flesh is a created thing. 01:33:53.670 --> 01:33:55.130 His flesh is created. 01:33:55.250 --> 01:33:56.750 His flesh was prepared. 01:33:57.190 --> 01:33:57.470 Yes. 01:33:57.810 --> 01:34:02.950 And you said he is flesh, so therefore he can't be God because God's not created. 01:34:04.230 --> 01:34:05.990 I've already explained this. 01:34:06.410 --> 01:34:10.510 His body was prepared for him, and his divine nature was imputed onto his 01:34:10.510 --> 01:34:10.830 body. 01:34:12.150 --> 01:34:16.270 And again, he's still a created thing. 01:34:16.590 --> 01:34:20.810 It doesn't matter if you say imputed, he still is that created thing. 01:34:21.050 --> 01:34:23.230 Because the Bible says he is man. 01:34:23.330 --> 01:34:26.290 It doesn't say that he's imputed as man. 01:34:26.450 --> 01:34:27.910 It says he is man. 01:34:28.570 --> 01:34:31.690 God judges through the man, Jesus Christ. 01:34:31.930 --> 01:34:35.610 Well, see, a Bible, you know, the book itself is created. 01:34:35.750 --> 01:34:38.370 That doesn't mean the word of God is created. 01:34:39.190 --> 01:34:42.690 But I do want to ask David a question, though, because he said something 01:34:42.690 --> 01:34:43.090 interesting. 01:34:43.190 --> 01:34:46.330 He said that Jesus decides who enters the kingdom of God. 01:34:46.930 --> 01:34:50.310 So does Jesus decide if he himself enters the kingdom? 01:34:55.230 --> 01:34:59.850 No, God decided that Jesus is... well, all this is foreordained. 01:35:00.110 --> 01:35:05.650 So all this was brought to pass because that's what God planned on it being. 01:35:06.330 --> 01:35:09.170 So it's not like we're on the same playing field, I would say. 01:35:10.090 --> 01:35:16.250 So, for example, when I say Jesus decides who gets in, it's because God appointed 01:35:16.250 --> 01:35:19.390 Jesus to be the one to decide. 01:35:19.850 --> 01:35:24.410 Because Jesus is going to judge righteously every human being and say 01:35:24.410 --> 01:35:27.710 whether or not that they can get into the kingdom based on what they've done. 01:35:27.710 --> 01:35:32.930 Which is what the Bible clearly teaches, is that everybody will be raised from the 01:35:32.930 --> 01:35:34.370 dead and stand before Jesus. 01:35:34.630 --> 01:35:37.770 And God, through Jesus, will judge everybody. 01:35:39.930 --> 01:35:42.550 Okay, but does Jesus judge himself? 01:35:44.790 --> 01:35:47.370 No, God does, because he's the ultimate judge and saviour. 01:35:48.910 --> 01:35:50.290 No, no, no, no, no, no, no. 01:35:50.350 --> 01:35:53.050 The Bible says that the Father judges no one. 01:35:53.370 --> 01:35:54.430 The Son does. 01:35:54.430 --> 01:35:54.950 No, it doesn't. 01:35:55.050 --> 01:35:59.090 It says that God judges through the man, Jesus Christ. 01:35:59.370 --> 01:36:00.590 No, John 5, 22. 01:36:01.150 --> 01:36:01.630 One second. 01:36:09.010 --> 01:36:10.910 Acts 17, verse 31. 01:36:11.610 --> 01:36:18.090 For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he 01:36:18.090 --> 01:36:18.590 appointed. 01:36:19.130 --> 01:36:24.870 He has given proof of this to everyone by raising him from the dead. 01:36:26.510 --> 01:36:29.210 So God judges through the man that he's ordained. 01:36:29.790 --> 01:36:31.250 It's God who's doing it. 01:36:31.350 --> 01:36:31.450 Why? 01:36:31.570 --> 01:36:34.850 Because it's God's word that is what we're going to be judged by. 01:36:35.530 --> 01:36:38.930 Yeah, but John 5, 22 says that the Father judges no one. 01:36:39.070 --> 01:36:40.370 It's the Son who does it. 01:36:41.230 --> 01:36:48.330 Yes, because God ordained him to be the judge and he judges by what the Father set 01:36:48.330 --> 01:36:48.990 up, the Torah. 01:36:48.990 --> 01:36:50.130 Exactly. 01:36:50.770 --> 01:36:52.610 So God judges through Jesus. 01:36:52.850 --> 01:36:54.350 So how is Jesus judged? 01:36:54.650 --> 01:36:56.930 Does God judge Jesus through Jesus? 01:36:57.670 --> 01:37:02.770 Well, God obviously would have seen the acts that Jesus did and seen that he's 01:37:02.770 --> 01:37:05.130 perfect and resurrected him. 01:37:05.890 --> 01:37:10.390 He made a judgment on Yeshua being the sacrificial lamb before all things then 01:37:10.390 --> 01:37:10.930 were created. 01:37:11.470 --> 01:37:13.530 Okay, so he did judge Jesus. 01:37:13.690 --> 01:37:15.710 So he judges Jesus through Jesus? 01:37:16.770 --> 01:37:20.290 No, he judged Jesus way before the creation. 01:37:20.470 --> 01:37:21.130 He picked him out. 01:37:22.930 --> 01:37:26.750 And it literally says that all other human beings, talking about all other human 01:37:26.750 --> 01:37:32.330 beings, that he set Yeshua to be that judge. 01:37:35.190 --> 01:37:37.610 Every single man is judged by the Torah. 01:37:38.690 --> 01:37:39.570 Every single man? 01:37:39.910 --> 01:37:40.990 Yeah, every single man. 01:37:41.010 --> 01:37:42.370 That's why Yeshua was perfect. 01:37:42.550 --> 01:37:43.670 He had to do the Torah. 01:37:43.670 --> 01:37:46.890 So the Father judges the Son. 01:37:48.150 --> 01:37:49.490 He didn't need to though, did he? 01:37:49.750 --> 01:37:50.090 He's perfect. 01:37:50.290 --> 01:37:51.090 No, no, no. 01:37:51.150 --> 01:37:53.690 You just said that every man is judged by the Torah. 01:37:53.790 --> 01:37:57.330 He did judge him, but he didn't have to because he's perfect. 01:37:57.890 --> 01:37:58.370 He's not. 01:37:59.190 --> 01:38:02.410 So he makes a judgment, but there's nothing to judge. 01:38:02.750 --> 01:38:04.050 So he's perfect. 01:38:04.210 --> 01:38:05.010 He's without blemish. 01:38:05.010 --> 01:38:14.730 If you look at a blank sheet of paper with all the sins of Jesus on it, you're not 01:38:14.730 --> 01:38:15.430 going to make a judgment. 01:38:15.650 --> 01:38:17.790 But he, God, knew that he's perfect. 01:38:18.110 --> 01:38:18.750 A clean sheet. 01:38:19.410 --> 01:38:20.090 Alright, you're in. 01:38:20.410 --> 01:38:23.110 He didn't even need to make a judgment, but he is the judge. 01:38:24.250 --> 01:38:28.930 He made a judgment saying that he is the sacrifice for the world because he's clean 01:38:28.930 --> 01:38:30.930 without sin. 01:38:30.930 --> 01:38:35.270 But the Bible says that the Father does not judge anyone. 01:38:35.630 --> 01:38:37.350 So how did the Father judge Jesus? 01:38:38.170 --> 01:38:40.150 See, there's a contradiction here. 01:38:40.490 --> 01:38:42.570 So therefore the Bible must be wrong. 01:38:42.670 --> 01:38:44.690 We must learn through it out because it contradicts. 01:38:44.750 --> 01:38:47.250 No, I'm saying your religion is wrong. 01:38:47.950 --> 01:38:49.990 No, but so the Bible's wrong here. 01:38:50.550 --> 01:38:56.890 For he has set a day when he will judge the world through the man that he 01:38:56.890 --> 01:38:57.430 appointed. 01:38:57.430 --> 01:39:04.690 So God is in Jesus, judging the world through him, with his word, his Torah. 01:39:06.210 --> 01:39:10.010 So therefore the Bible contradicts itself and we might as well throw it away, 01:39:10.410 --> 01:39:11.290 according to your view. 01:39:11.750 --> 01:39:13.490 It's not a contradiction to us. 01:39:26.670 --> 01:39:27.370 Are you all there? 01:39:27.890 --> 01:39:28.450 Yeah, I'm here. 01:39:28.530 --> 01:39:29.530 I'm just waiting for everybody. 01:39:30.550 --> 01:39:35.390 Chris Clark and anyone else that's wanting to chat, you're more than welcome to click 01:39:35.390 --> 01:39:41.250 the link which is up in the top of the chat up there. 01:39:41.590 --> 01:39:42.750 If you're wanting to call in directly. 01:39:43.410 --> 01:39:47.230 Anyone that's wanting to t-dog, you're more than welcome to as well. 01:39:47.890 --> 01:39:56.370 So yeah, the Trinity makes no sense in regards to Jehovah always speaking as a 01:39:56.370 --> 01:39:56.670 singular. 01:39:56.670 --> 01:39:58.730 I am God. 01:39:58.910 --> 01:40:00.890 I wish that you would call me father. 01:40:01.810 --> 01:40:07.130 And then the only time Jesus is spoken of in the Old Testament is the servant, 01:40:08.350 --> 01:40:15.710 the king, that he chose, his chosen one, that God chose to do a purpose. 01:40:15.710 --> 01:40:22.170 Nowhere ever in the Bible do the Trinitarians have to tweak this angel of 01:40:22.170 --> 01:40:26.630 Jehovah to make it look like he is the vain or pre-existing. 01:40:26.970 --> 01:40:34.310 Even though 1 Peter 1.20 says he was foreseen before the world was created. 01:40:34.670 --> 01:40:38.930 He was picked before the world pro-ignosmenu. 01:40:44.190 --> 01:40:51.630 And to that person that's chatting in the chat, if you had had more discernment and 01:40:51.630 --> 01:40:55.530 stopped talking and being rude, you would have been in here giving your 01:40:55.530 --> 01:40:56.430 view and opinion. 01:41:13.650 --> 01:41:15.410 So what did you just say? 01:41:16.010 --> 01:41:19.550 I was just saying to the person that was keep on talking over, he's in the chat, 01:41:19.670 --> 01:41:23.490 I just said if he had a fair and maybe had some respect he would have been in here 01:41:23.490 --> 01:41:24.750 giving his view and opinion. 01:41:24.750 --> 01:41:25.970 But he kept on talking over. 01:41:26.910 --> 01:41:34.750 In regards to Jesus, Trinitarians need to make a malak look like it's Jesus so that 01:41:34.750 --> 01:41:40.230 they can say that Jesus is God or pre-existing, which is absolute garbage. 01:41:40.530 --> 01:41:46.390 Because malaks are sent by Jehovah, they are of Jehovah, saying the message of 01:41:46.390 --> 01:41:46.810 Jehovah. 01:41:48.630 --> 01:41:54.750 Yeah, but the problem is that Jehovah himself calls the angel of the Lord 01:41:54.750 --> 01:41:55.390 Jehovah. 01:41:56.770 --> 01:41:58.050 No, he doesn't. 01:41:58.770 --> 01:41:59.770 Yes, he does. 01:42:00.070 --> 01:42:00.470 No, he doesn't. 01:42:00.610 --> 01:42:02.150 He comes in the name of Jehovah. 01:42:03.890 --> 01:42:04.410 Although... 01:42:04.410 --> 01:42:05.630 So, here's a question. 01:42:05.830 --> 01:42:11.530 If you believe that Jesus is the angel of the Lord, why does the Bible say to who of 01:42:11.530 --> 01:42:14.990 the angels did he say that you are my son? 01:42:16.250 --> 01:42:18.250 I've explained this so many times. 01:42:18.430 --> 01:42:23.250 The angel of the Lord is not a literal... it's not an actual angel in the sense that 01:42:23.250 --> 01:42:23.770 you're thinking. 01:42:24.550 --> 01:42:25.470 It's a literal word. 01:42:25.770 --> 01:42:31.130 Angelos in Greek is the term used for malak in Hebrew. 01:42:31.810 --> 01:42:35.770 So you can't just pick and choose what you want when it's literally the same wording 01:42:35.770 --> 01:42:38.830 used in regards to angels. 01:42:39.170 --> 01:42:43.970 Malak in Hebrew or angelos in Greek. 01:42:43.970 --> 01:42:45.450 You can't just pick and choose. 01:42:47.130 --> 01:42:50.950 No, the word also refers to messengers. 01:42:52.450 --> 01:42:53.990 Yeah, messengers. 01:42:54.270 --> 01:42:55.710 That's the literal definition of it. 01:42:55.810 --> 01:42:58.730 A representative, a messenger, an angel. 01:42:59.310 --> 01:43:02.330 All angels are messengers of God. 01:43:02.330 --> 01:43:03.910 Just like Haggai. 01:43:04.110 --> 01:43:08.650 Is he literally their God? 01:43:08.770 --> 01:43:10.550 Because it's the literal word malak. 01:43:10.630 --> 01:43:11.990 The same exact word. 01:43:12.250 --> 01:43:12.870 No difference. 01:43:13.330 --> 01:43:14.670 The same exact word. 01:43:14.830 --> 01:43:17.030 And he is called the messenger of Jehovah. 01:43:17.230 --> 01:43:18.410 The angel of Jehovah. 01:43:18.590 --> 01:43:19.630 It's the same exact word. 01:43:20.510 --> 01:43:22.410 Yeah, but he's not called God. 01:43:23.550 --> 01:43:28.350 But he's called the angel of God, which you claim is called God. 01:43:28.970 --> 01:43:32.110 There are other angels who come from God. 01:43:32.110 --> 01:43:33.110 And that's my point. 01:43:33.390 --> 01:43:34.990 Only one is called God. 01:43:35.670 --> 01:43:36.430 Which one? 01:43:38.790 --> 01:43:40.910 There's only one who is called God. 01:43:41.310 --> 01:43:41.830 Which one? 01:43:41.930 --> 01:43:43.030 There's one particular one. 01:43:43.250 --> 01:43:43.690 Which one? 01:43:43.810 --> 01:43:44.110 Jesus. 01:43:44.890 --> 01:43:46.630 No, which one in the Bible? 01:43:48.030 --> 01:43:48.550 Jesus. 01:43:49.470 --> 01:43:51.910 Where does it say Jesus is an angel in the Bible? 01:43:52.050 --> 01:43:53.530 Not an actual angel. 01:43:53.670 --> 01:43:54.490 I've already explained this. 01:43:54.490 --> 01:44:00.290 So, in other words, he's an angel of the Lord, and it's Jesus that is that angel, 01:44:00.470 --> 01:44:04.430 but you've got not one verse that says that that angel is Jesus. 01:44:08.430 --> 01:44:13.090 No, the angel of the Lord is not a literal angel like you're thinking of. 01:44:13.910 --> 01:44:15.830 But it literally says malak. 01:44:16.610 --> 01:44:19.530 Okay, and that word is not always referred to actual angels. 01:44:20.090 --> 01:44:24.190 It's literally, the term is messenger, an angel. 01:44:24.550 --> 01:44:30.710 And it doesn't say, if you're talking about like a divine angel of some form, 01:44:30.990 --> 01:44:33.350 yeah, it would say Elohim. 01:44:34.030 --> 01:44:37.370 Or, actually it might not even say that, but it would say a different word to 01:44:37.370 --> 01:44:37.690 malak. 01:44:37.850 --> 01:44:38.790 It wouldn't say malak. 01:44:40.690 --> 01:44:41.790 If it was divine, would it? 01:44:42.350 --> 01:44:43.430 Like divine beings. 01:44:46.050 --> 01:44:47.290 But it doesn't say that. 01:44:49.530 --> 01:44:51.570 What are you even talking about? 01:44:51.650 --> 01:44:54.350 I just told you that the word refers to messengers as well. 01:44:54.870 --> 01:44:57.130 It literally says malak. 01:44:57.250 --> 01:44:58.830 It's the same exact word. 01:44:59.630 --> 01:45:04.370 It doesn't say, you're either an angel or not an angel, and the Bible literally says 01:45:04.370 --> 01:45:10.370 it is an angel, or the angel, as you guys try to keep on putting it out at us. 01:45:12.010 --> 01:45:14.570 Yeah, he is the angel of the Lord. 01:45:14.570 --> 01:45:19.550 So, let's have a, since you're not answering that question, I'm going to move 01:45:19.550 --> 01:45:19.770 on. 01:45:19.810 --> 01:45:21.750 I already did, 5.5 times. 01:45:22.990 --> 01:45:26.770 You're saying that he's not an angel, but you're saying he is the angel of 01:45:26.770 --> 01:45:27.670 Yehovah when... 01:45:27.670 --> 01:45:30.210 The word angel does not always refer to literal angels. 01:45:30.430 --> 01:45:31.170 Can you explain this? 01:45:31.610 --> 01:45:32.150 Yes, it is. 01:45:32.590 --> 01:45:33.270 It's a messenger. 01:45:33.650 --> 01:45:35.530 That is the literal definition of it. 01:45:36.830 --> 01:45:40.910 The literal definition of the word is a messenger, unless you can prove otherwise. 01:45:42.410 --> 01:45:46.870 You already acknowledged that it refers to messengers as well. 01:45:47.330 --> 01:45:49.850 No, that is the literal definition. 01:45:50.570 --> 01:45:54.190 Representative, messenger, they're all the same thing. 01:45:54.610 --> 01:45:55.770 No, no, no, no, no. 01:45:55.790 --> 01:46:00.350 An angel can be a messenger, a representative of God, because it's sent 01:46:00.350 --> 01:46:01.510 by the one that is. 01:46:01.610 --> 01:46:02.930 And I'm going to read out the definition. 01:46:02.930 --> 01:46:10.250 Jews for Judaism states that some Trinitarians claim that whenever the 01:46:10.250 --> 01:46:17.450 scripture mentions Malak Adonai, Yod-Heh-Fat-Veh, an angel of the Lord, 01:46:17.730 --> 01:46:19.630 the angel is Jesus. 01:46:20.070 --> 01:46:26.030 They translate all passages mentioning such an angel as the angel of the Lord. 01:46:26.250 --> 01:46:30.670 Although the Hebrew may as well just as mean them an angel of the Lord. 01:46:30.670 --> 01:46:33.790 Literally, a messenger of Yehovah. 01:46:34.130 --> 01:46:37.630 Judges 2 verse 1, 6 verse 11 to 22. 01:46:37.970 --> 01:46:47.290 True, in the construct state, when the second noun has a definitive article, 01:46:47.850 --> 01:46:55.090 the first noun is automatically definite without the need of the article. 01:46:55.090 --> 01:47:02.930 However, the proper nouns, which are automatically definite, only context 01:47:02.930 --> 01:47:09.310 determines whether the first noun attached to it is to be taken as a definite or 01:47:09.310 --> 01:47:10.270 indefinite article. 01:47:10.750 --> 01:47:21.370 The context in all the verses where Malak Adonai occurs strongly indicates that it 01:47:21.370 --> 01:47:24.990 is not to be taken as the definite article. 01:47:25.590 --> 01:47:34.450 Even when the noun angel, Malak, appears with a definite article in a 01:47:34.450 --> 01:47:40.870 scriptural passage, it is not used in the sense of a definite personality, 01:47:41.050 --> 01:47:48.510 but only as a reference to the particular angel mentioned previously in text. 01:47:48.510 --> 01:47:54.970 So, what it's saying is, when you say the, the only reason there is the angel is 01:47:54.970 --> 01:47:57.010 because beforehand it was an angel. 01:47:57.150 --> 01:48:03.470 So, if I said an angel came up to me and the angel said, that's why it's been 01:48:03.470 --> 01:48:09.950 introduced as an angel, just a random angel, and then it becomes the because 01:48:09.950 --> 01:48:13.890 it's the context of the an angel that came over speaking. 01:48:13.890 --> 01:48:18.010 An angel came and the angel spoke. 01:48:19.010 --> 01:48:24.890 Not that it's a definite, always definite article that there's always a specific the 01:48:24.890 --> 01:48:26.290 angel of Yehovah. 01:48:26.950 --> 01:48:27.810 It's not that way. 01:48:29.030 --> 01:48:35.630 It continues saying, the angel is always an impersonal being whose name is not 01:48:35.630 --> 01:48:39.290 necessary since he is simply a messenger. 01:48:39.670 --> 01:48:46.750 The Hebrew word Malak means messenger, as does the Greek Angelos, to whom God, 01:48:47.130 --> 01:48:56.030 in whom all power resounds, has entrusted a messenger, a specific, sorry, 01:48:56.150 --> 01:48:57.250 a specific mission. 01:48:58.610 --> 01:49:05.990 So, it goes on, it's 1 Chronicles 21 verse 16 and verse 27, Zechariah 1 verse 12 to 01:49:05.990 --> 01:49:06.370 17. 01:49:06.370 --> 01:49:15.990 It is for this reason that the prophet Haggai, who conveyed God's message to 01:49:15.990 --> 01:49:23.250 Israel, was also called a messenger of the Lord, which is in Haggai 1 verse 13, 01:49:23.570 --> 01:49:28.190 literally the same exact word that is used for the angel of the Lord. 01:49:28.190 --> 01:49:35.170 And it says, the angel term applied, Haggai, Malak Adonai, exactly the same 01:49:35.170 --> 01:49:38.190 word for this the angel of the Lord. 01:49:38.450 --> 01:49:39.270 So he must be God. 01:49:39.910 --> 01:49:43.730 He must literally be the angel of Yehovah. 01:49:44.410 --> 01:49:47.250 Are all messengers angels? 01:49:49.290 --> 01:49:49.930 No. 01:49:51.450 --> 01:49:54.670 They're not wanting an answer, they're just going to interrupt. 01:49:55.590 --> 01:50:01.090 All Malak are people sent, or things sent by God with a message. 01:50:01.770 --> 01:50:03.330 All Malak are. 01:50:04.150 --> 01:50:06.090 I've literally just read this in... 01:50:06.090 --> 01:50:07.210 Yeah, I know, exactly. 01:50:11.330 --> 01:50:17.830 You just proved my point, dude. 01:50:18.930 --> 01:50:23.050 Okay, not all, not all, what is it, Malak are angels. 01:50:23.050 --> 01:50:28.190 No, but all angels are Malak, messengers of God, so... 01:50:28.190 --> 01:50:28.670 Yeah. 01:50:29.130 --> 01:50:30.430 Yeah, so they're not God. 01:50:31.430 --> 01:50:33.930 I never said that the angels were God. 01:50:34.270 --> 01:50:38.550 And Jesus is the angel, which we've just literally broke down the definition of the 01:50:38.550 --> 01:50:39.110 same word. 01:50:39.930 --> 01:50:43.570 And that angel, anything that is Malak is not God. 01:50:44.190 --> 01:50:47.990 It is a messenger or representative of the one that sent them. 01:50:49.150 --> 01:50:50.910 And it's not a definite article. 01:50:51.130 --> 01:50:57.510 It's never put out as a definite article, only if it's been introduced. 01:51:00.650 --> 01:51:05.310 So, like, an old man came over, the old man said. 01:51:05.870 --> 01:51:10.510 The only time it's the definite the is when it's been introduced as a random, 01:51:10.830 --> 01:51:12.610 generic, an angel. 01:51:14.210 --> 01:51:16.050 I gotta head to work, y'all. 01:51:16.170 --> 01:51:17.070 I'll catch y'all later. 01:51:17.070 --> 01:51:18.030 Okay. 01:51:18.850 --> 01:51:19.390 Have a good day. 01:51:19.430 --> 01:51:19.970 Peace, y'all. 01:51:20.330 --> 01:51:21.250 You as well. 01:51:21.530 --> 01:51:22.890 Shabbat shalom. 01:51:24.870 --> 01:51:28.770 Biblical Unitarian if you want to say anything as well in prose, but yeah. 01:51:29.590 --> 01:51:31.230 You just proved my point. 01:51:31.810 --> 01:51:35.750 Well, so I proved your point that literally Hebrews, because they know their 01:51:35.750 --> 01:51:41.030 own language better than you and the Trinitarians, stated that there's not ever 01:51:41.030 --> 01:51:47.690 anywhere in the Bible that it's the definite article, the angel of the Lord as 01:51:47.690 --> 01:51:49.530 some kind of God. 01:51:50.470 --> 01:51:51.370 It's just... 01:51:52.190 --> 01:51:57.050 The point I was making is that not all messengers are angels. 01:51:57.230 --> 01:51:57.890 You just agreed. 01:51:58.110 --> 01:51:59.330 So you just proved my point. 01:52:00.470 --> 01:52:01.150 No, I didn't. 01:52:02.330 --> 01:52:02.930 What? 01:52:03.090 --> 01:52:04.530 You literally just said that. 01:52:04.610 --> 01:52:05.330 What are you talking about? 01:52:05.410 --> 01:52:06.590 No, I didn't prove your point. 01:52:07.250 --> 01:52:07.810 Okay. 01:52:08.630 --> 01:52:09.990 Are all messengers angels? 01:52:11.770 --> 01:52:15.510 Angels in this term, regarding Malak, are messengers. 01:52:16.470 --> 01:52:18.430 But not all messengers are angels. 01:52:19.510 --> 01:52:22.870 There will be other words if you're talking about divine beings. 01:52:23.110 --> 01:52:24.030 We're talking about Malak. 01:52:24.210 --> 01:52:27.190 You're trying to move it off the topic with the dual post changes. 01:52:27.750 --> 01:52:29.670 Yeah, and Jesus is a Malak. 01:52:30.310 --> 01:52:31.930 And therefore he can't be God. 01:52:33.250 --> 01:52:34.690 Which Malak is he? 01:52:37.050 --> 01:52:38.670 Do you remember what we just read? 01:52:39.370 --> 01:52:40.070 Sorry, one second. 01:52:40.490 --> 01:52:45.490 We've just read that the Hebrew speakers that know their language have literally 01:52:45.490 --> 01:52:47.930 said that it is a random angel. 01:52:48.150 --> 01:52:49.770 That name does not matter. 01:52:51.090 --> 01:52:54.070 They're just a random messenger sent for a purpose. 01:52:54.390 --> 01:52:55.390 They've not got a name. 01:52:55.730 --> 01:52:57.090 So which one is it? 01:52:57.390 --> 01:52:59.930 And how do you know which one is Yeshua? 01:52:59.930 --> 01:53:06.330 And how do you know that this random angel is Yeshua when it doesn't say anywhere in 01:53:06.330 --> 01:53:10.330 the Bible that this messenger, this Malak, is Jesus? 01:53:11.010 --> 01:53:12.590 Well, because one of them is called God. 01:53:13.970 --> 01:53:15.690 Yeah, because God speaks through him. 01:53:16.230 --> 01:53:18.470 Okay, God speaks through prophets. 01:53:18.570 --> 01:53:19.850 Do they ever call themselves God? 01:53:20.050 --> 01:53:20.270 No. 01:53:20.270 --> 01:53:25.450 No, but they speak to God as if the person that's speaking to them, just like with 01:53:25.450 --> 01:53:32.390 Hagar, she spoke to Jehovah who had spoke to her, not the angel as Jehovah. 01:53:32.830 --> 01:53:39.010 But have I gone seeing that he saw me, not that she saw God? 01:53:42.140 --> 01:53:44.160 Yeah, she saw God, yes. 01:53:44.160 --> 01:53:45.140 No, it doesn't. 01:53:45.380 --> 01:53:50.160 Again, I've just given you the Hebrew that says, have I, Elroy, you are Elroy, 01:53:50.380 --> 01:53:57.500 for have I not gone on seeing after he saw me, not she saw God. 01:53:58.200 --> 01:54:00.560 I have seen God face to face. 01:54:01.060 --> 01:54:01.460 No. 01:54:02.300 --> 01:54:04.120 There's a verse that says that, yes. 01:54:06.120 --> 01:54:07.400 What, in regards to Hagar? 01:54:08.020 --> 01:54:08.540 No. 01:54:09.620 --> 01:54:12.300 Right, so why are you moving the goalpost to a different point? 01:54:13.020 --> 01:54:16.640 Because your point, because you were trying to say, oh, it doesn't say she saw 01:54:16.640 --> 01:54:17.060 God. 01:54:17.160 --> 01:54:20.020 Well, someone else did see God, so how do you explain that? 01:54:21.020 --> 01:54:22.180 Right, well, give us the verse. 01:54:24.180 --> 01:54:26.220 It is Genesis 32, 30. 01:54:27.380 --> 01:54:27.860 Hold on a second. 01:54:36.950 --> 01:54:37.750 Genesis 30, 01:54:41.670 --> 01:54:44.050 30 what, sorry? 01:54:45.390 --> 01:54:46.190 32, 30. 01:54:50.860 --> 01:54:52.580 32, 30. 01:54:53.800 --> 01:54:54.380 Let's see. 01:54:54.960 --> 01:55:01.440 So, Jehovah was left alone and a man wrestled with him. 01:55:01.520 --> 01:55:07.780 So, a man, not God, wrestled with him until the break of dawn, when he saw that 01:55:07.780 --> 01:55:10.200 he had not prevailed against him. 01:55:11.040 --> 01:55:20.520 He wretched Jehovah's hip at its socket so that the socket of the hip was strained as 01:55:20.520 --> 01:55:21.600 he wrestled with him. 01:55:21.900 --> 01:55:25.260 Then he said, let me go for dawn is breaking. 01:55:25.520 --> 01:55:30.320 But he answered, I will not let you go unless you bless me, said the other. 01:55:31.020 --> 01:55:32.440 What is your name? 01:55:32.440 --> 01:55:40.940 He said, Jehovah, or replied Jehovah, said he, your name is no longer Jehovah, 01:55:41.220 --> 01:55:48.500 but Israel, for you have striven with divine beings and human, divine beings and 01:55:48.500 --> 01:55:50.600 human, and have prevailed. 01:55:51.220 --> 01:55:54.260 Jehovah asked, pray, tell me your name. 01:55:54.340 --> 01:55:56.960 But he said, you must not ask me my name. 01:55:57.340 --> 01:56:00.380 And he took leave of him there. 01:56:00.380 --> 01:56:04.580 So he struggled with divine beings and human. 01:56:05.380 --> 01:56:09.220 Because God said, who was the man that he was wrestling with? 01:56:09.480 --> 01:56:11.780 The man that he was wrestling with. 01:56:12.200 --> 01:56:17.780 And he struggled with divine beings, Elohim, and man. 01:56:19.720 --> 01:56:22.640 He says he saw God face to face. 01:56:22.720 --> 01:56:23.640 How do you explain that? 01:56:23.720 --> 01:56:23.800 No, it doesn't. 01:56:23.960 --> 01:56:24.940 I've just literally read it. 01:56:25.080 --> 01:56:26.240 Wait, what do you know? 01:56:26.520 --> 01:56:28.140 I've just read the verse that you brought up. 01:56:28.140 --> 01:56:29.860 No, did you read the wrong verse? 01:56:30.080 --> 01:56:30.740 I think you did. 01:56:31.060 --> 01:56:32.840 No, verse 30. 01:56:33.780 --> 01:56:35.860 Yaakov asked, pray, tell me. 01:56:36.320 --> 01:56:39.180 But he said, you must not ask my name. 01:56:39.540 --> 01:56:40.900 And he took leave of him there. 01:56:41.220 --> 01:56:42.680 No, that's not the right verse. 01:56:42.800 --> 01:56:44.820 It's chapter 32, verse 30. 01:56:45.060 --> 01:56:45.960 Yeah, that's where I am. 01:56:46.240 --> 01:56:47.140 32, verse 30. 01:56:48.700 --> 01:56:50.440 Yeah, you was reading from Jacob, wasn't you? 01:56:50.580 --> 01:56:51.420 You was reading about Jacob. 01:56:52.040 --> 01:56:52.860 Yeah, Yaakov. 01:56:52.860 --> 01:56:53.840 Which one, Yaakov? 01:56:54.600 --> 01:56:57.820 Can I just make a quick point that Tyler just suggested? 01:56:57.960 --> 01:57:01.980 Well, Tyler, you was talking about seeing... 01:57:01.980 --> 01:57:05.620 It says, no man has seen the Father face to face. 01:57:06.080 --> 01:57:09.240 I think that's talking about the pre-existent Messiah, isn't it? 01:57:12.020 --> 01:57:12.700 Wait, what? 01:57:13.600 --> 01:57:16.840 In Exodus, you was talking about the angel of the Lord. 01:57:17.160 --> 01:57:22.980 That's also referenced in John and in Genesis, which was supposed to be the 01:57:22.980 --> 01:57:23.980 pre-existent Messiah. 01:57:26.780 --> 01:57:27.960 Okay, what about it? 01:57:29.740 --> 01:57:33.160 Well, you was saying about, does he believe Jesus is God? 01:57:33.480 --> 01:57:38.160 So, if that's like saying, well, you've seen God face to face. 01:57:40.240 --> 01:57:41.120 Yeah, I have. 01:57:41.120 --> 01:57:46.240 Yeah, so that would be like the character of God through his Son. 01:57:46.580 --> 01:57:48.760 But it's not the actual Father himself, isn't it? 01:57:51.380 --> 01:57:52.700 Wait, what is your point? 01:57:52.820 --> 01:57:53.300 I'm confused. 01:57:53.420 --> 01:57:54.220 What are you trying to say? 01:57:54.840 --> 01:57:57.620 Well, you believe Jesus is God in the flesh. 01:57:58.120 --> 01:58:05.460 But I also believe that the Son is the representative of the Father with his 01:58:05.460 --> 01:58:06.140 characteristics. 01:58:06.540 --> 01:58:09.360 But that doesn't actually mean the Son is the Father himself. 01:58:10.520 --> 01:58:11.840 Well, no, I don't know. 01:58:11.940 --> 01:58:12.680 He's not the Father. 01:58:13.700 --> 01:58:20.660 No, so when you address the point with Taylor about the angel, that's in Exodus, 01:58:20.880 --> 01:58:26.760 that comes from the burning bush, where Moses was talking to probably the 01:58:26.760 --> 01:58:28.660 pre-existent Messiah in the burning bush. 01:58:28.760 --> 01:58:33.280 Then if you go to John and Genesis, which you told Taylor to read from, 01:58:33.380 --> 01:58:37.460 that's like the angel of the Lord in the pre-existence Messiah. 01:58:37.460 --> 01:58:41.120 So I don't believe it's God himself. 01:58:41.440 --> 01:58:45.400 It would be just the Son he's speaking to, or the angel. 01:58:46.040 --> 01:58:51.000 I'll pull up the verse that he's just told me to go to, by the way, just so that you 01:58:51.000 --> 01:58:52.040 can see it for yourself. 01:58:54.100 --> 01:58:57.640 Genesis 32, verse 30. 01:58:58.040 --> 01:58:58.460 Where is it? 01:58:58.580 --> 01:58:59.180 There we go. 01:58:59.600 --> 01:59:01.720 32, verse 30. 01:59:03.280 --> 01:59:06.400 And I'll pull this up on the... 01:59:06.400 --> 01:59:10.200 So I'm actually reading references here, so I'm not really making it up myself. 01:59:13.360 --> 01:59:17.680 When I was just addressing what Taylor just said to you about the angel of the 01:59:17.680 --> 01:59:21.380 Lord, it was the pre-existent Son as an angel. 01:59:23.440 --> 01:59:24.940 It's not a literal angel. 01:59:25.360 --> 01:59:26.220 I've already explained it. 01:59:26.240 --> 01:59:27.340 It's not an angel with wings. 01:59:28.440 --> 01:59:29.620 Yeah, I don't mean that. 01:59:30.200 --> 01:59:33.240 It would have been like an angel looking for a person. 01:59:34.200 --> 01:59:37.280 No one's ever said that Jesus is an angel with wings. 01:59:39.280 --> 01:59:41.420 Anyway, what we've got here is... 01:59:41.420 --> 01:59:42.540 Yeah, correct yourself, Taylor. 01:59:42.640 --> 01:59:47.580 I didn't mean it was like an actual angel with wings, because that wouldn't make any 01:59:47.580 --> 01:59:47.920 sense. 01:59:48.660 --> 01:59:49.020 Right. 01:59:49.400 --> 01:59:56.100 So what we've got here is, Yaakov asked, Pray tell me what your name is, 01:59:56.140 --> 01:59:57.120 or tell me your name. 01:59:57.280 --> 01:59:59.720 But he said, you must not ask me my name. 02:00:00.100 --> 02:00:02.320 And he took leave of him there. 02:00:02.320 --> 02:00:06.820 Now, this is written and edited by Hebrew Jews, rabbis. 02:00:07.260 --> 02:00:11.780 Now, beforehand it says, Your name shall no longer be Yaakov. 02:00:12.960 --> 02:00:14.560 That's not the right verse, though. 02:00:14.600 --> 02:00:16.420 It was actually 31 in this translation. 02:00:17.880 --> 02:00:19.640 But this says divine being. 02:00:20.420 --> 02:00:29.140 The place Peniel, meaning I have seen a divine being face to face, yet my life has 02:00:29.140 --> 02:00:30.080 been preserved. 02:00:30.980 --> 02:00:32.840 So he's seen a divine being. 02:00:34.280 --> 02:00:36.360 All the other translations say he's seen God. 02:00:36.500 --> 02:00:36.940 It doesn't matter. 02:00:37.180 --> 02:00:43.940 This is literally translated by rabbis, Tulai Wise and many other Israelite Hebrew 02:00:43.940 --> 02:00:48.080 Jews that know their language better than the Trinitarians do. 02:00:48.600 --> 02:00:53.980 Well, you know, all Greek Christians are Trinitarians, and yet they know their 02:00:53.980 --> 02:00:56.120 language better than you do, right? 02:00:56.120 --> 02:01:00.160 You do realize that the Greek was translated from the Hebrew. 02:01:00.540 --> 02:01:05.360 There's found manuscripts of the New Testament in Hebrew. 02:01:05.680 --> 02:01:06.600 Yeah, yeah, they have. 02:01:07.160 --> 02:01:10.960 At least the vast majority of the New Testament is in Greek. 02:01:11.340 --> 02:01:16.540 And it's translated from Hebrew to Greek, because you can see Hebrewisms, 02:01:16.760 --> 02:01:17.080 yes. 02:01:17.620 --> 02:01:21.800 This is where you're showing your lack of information, and you're still imposing 02:01:21.800 --> 02:01:24.860 something that you believe when you don't have the facts. 02:01:26.140 --> 02:01:32.160 Nehemiah Gordon, a Karaite Jew, literally has manuscripts of Matthew in 02:01:32.160 --> 02:01:35.780 Hebrew that he's broken down on videos. 02:01:36.400 --> 02:01:37.680 Yeah, of course he has. 02:01:37.700 --> 02:01:40.960 And you can see Hebrewisms in the New Testament, such as, you will call him 02:01:40.960 --> 02:01:42.120 Yeshua, for he will save. 02:01:42.620 --> 02:01:48.060 You calling him Jesus has no sense to it, because Jesus doesn't have the same term 02:01:48.060 --> 02:01:50.980 or knowledge to it of salvation. 02:01:51.640 --> 02:01:53.980 Same, you will call him Jesus, for he will save. 02:01:53.980 --> 02:01:55.540 How has that got anything to do with anything? 02:01:55.700 --> 02:01:57.820 You can see Hebrewisms in the Greek. 02:01:58.540 --> 02:02:02.320 So your argument to bring up the Greek makes no sense at all. 02:02:03.040 --> 02:02:08.980 Yeah, because they spoke Greek as well, but it was written in Greek originally. 02:02:09.300 --> 02:02:12.180 No, it was written in Hebrew. 02:02:12.720 --> 02:02:13.460 No, it was not. 02:02:13.540 --> 02:02:14.460 No one believes that. 02:02:15.000 --> 02:02:16.920 Well, I don't care what Trinitarians believe. 02:02:17.020 --> 02:02:18.880 It was literally written in Hebrew. 02:02:19.020 --> 02:02:23.700 In fact, the Ebionites and some of the church fathers even put it at one second. 02:02:31.330 --> 02:02:32.130 Let's see. 02:02:32.470 --> 02:02:38.430 So you've said no one ever believed that the New Testament was written in Hebrew. 02:02:39.770 --> 02:02:42.970 No, I mean, not literally everyone. 02:02:44.770 --> 02:02:53.390 In another passage, Ephesus also states, and when among the books that were hidden 02:02:53.390 --> 02:03:01.050 at Tiberias, as has been said, he had found the Gospel of John translated 02:03:01.050 --> 02:03:02.870 from the Greek into the Hebrew. 02:03:03.550 --> 02:03:08.730 He also found, let's finish what I'm saying, because you're jumping in and 02:03:08.730 --> 02:03:09.910 you're going to make yourself look silly. 02:03:10.930 --> 02:03:19.090 He also found the Acts of the Apostle, and not this alone, but also the Gospel of 02:03:19.090 --> 02:03:22.550 Matthew, which was originally written in Hebrew. 02:03:24.890 --> 02:03:30.770 So yeah, now you've just made yourself look silly because that was one of the 02:03:30.770 --> 02:03:34.650 church fathers, if I'm not mistaken, that said that. 02:03:34.930 --> 02:03:41.750 They found the Ebionites had copies of which was written in Hebrew originally. 02:03:43.630 --> 02:03:49.310 And by the way, the Ebionites predate your church fathers of the Catholic, 02:03:49.370 --> 02:03:51.430 where the Trinitarianism came from. 02:03:51.870 --> 02:04:00.730 They were around the latest date, 70 AD, and the church fathers date to 02:04:00.730 --> 02:04:01.690 like, what, 200? 02:04:01.970 --> 02:04:03.910 Maybe it was 120s AD. 02:04:06.450 --> 02:04:09.470 Yeah, so you trust them? 02:04:11.290 --> 02:04:12.230 Why wouldn't I? 02:04:12.370 --> 02:04:13.310 It's part of history. 02:04:13.850 --> 02:04:15.310 But you don't trust the church fathers? 02:04:15.990 --> 02:04:18.010 No, why would I trust them antichrists? 02:04:18.490 --> 02:04:20.410 Well, they're part of history too. 02:04:20.890 --> 02:04:21.850 Yeah, but they're antichrists. 02:04:22.390 --> 02:04:26.870 The Bible speaks of people that were of them that went out and didn't remain with 02:04:26.870 --> 02:04:27.030 them. 02:04:27.410 --> 02:04:31.950 And we see in the Bible that Jesus wasn't, isn't God. 02:04:32.150 --> 02:04:34.950 There's not one verse that says the Son of God is God. 02:04:41.460 --> 02:04:42.700 Well, I mean, that's false. 02:04:43.420 --> 02:04:44.080 It's not. 02:04:44.240 --> 02:04:46.340 Show me one verse where it says Jesus is God. 02:04:47.100 --> 02:04:47.980 Hebrews 1.8. 02:04:48.620 --> 02:04:51.720 Hebrews 1.8 doesn't say Jesus is God, but we can go to that. 02:04:52.800 --> 02:04:54.500 It does, but... 02:04:55.120 --> 02:04:58.440 Hebrews 1.8, which derives from Psalm 45. 02:04:58.740 --> 02:05:02.500 We'll read that in a bit, but... lexicon. 02:05:04.340 --> 02:05:07.220 But of the Son, and he says isn't in there. 02:05:07.260 --> 02:05:09.800 So of the Son, and it's talking about the Son, yeah? 02:05:09.800 --> 02:05:13.220 Your throne of God is forever and ever. 02:05:13.560 --> 02:05:17.300 And a righteous scepter, which is the King, which, which if you read the Psalm, 02:05:17.420 --> 02:05:21.600 you'll find that the King is the Messiah being talked of. 02:05:22.340 --> 02:05:25.820 And your righteous scepter is the scepter of his kingdom. 02:05:26.240 --> 02:05:34.200 Now, if you look at Psalm 45, we will see that it's talking about the King is 02:05:34.200 --> 02:05:34.540 Yeshua. 02:05:34.540 --> 02:05:39.840 And that the King is the one that God is basically protecting. 02:05:40.820 --> 02:05:43.320 My heart is moved with a good theme. 02:05:43.720 --> 02:05:46.240 I address my verse to the King. 02:05:47.360 --> 02:05:50.000 My tongue is a pen of a ready writer. 02:05:50.380 --> 02:05:54.460 You are the most handsome of the sons of mankind. 02:05:55.280 --> 02:05:57.180 Grace is poured out on your lips. 02:05:57.500 --> 02:05:59.580 Therefore, God has blessed you forever. 02:05:59.580 --> 02:06:05.340 Now, clearly talking about the Messiah, unless it changes and just picks and 02:06:05.340 --> 02:06:07.240 chooses when it's talking about the Messiah. 02:06:07.660 --> 02:06:11.660 Strap your thought to the Messiah, almighty one, in your splendor and 02:06:11.660 --> 02:06:12.160 majesty. 02:06:12.500 --> 02:06:15.840 And in your majesty ride on victoriously. 02:06:16.700 --> 02:06:19.440 For the cause of truth, humility, and righteousness. 02:06:19.780 --> 02:06:23.240 Let your right hand teach you awesome things. 02:06:23.620 --> 02:06:25.260 Your arrows are sharp. 02:06:25.880 --> 02:06:27.680 The people fall under you. 02:06:27.680 --> 02:06:31.360 Your arrows are in the heart of the King's enemies. 02:06:32.860 --> 02:06:36.720 Your throne, God, so we see this talking about God because it's God. 02:06:37.000 --> 02:06:39.280 His arrows are against the enemies of the King. 02:06:39.860 --> 02:06:41.900 Your throne, God, is forever and ever. 02:06:42.440 --> 02:06:47.340 The scepter, which is the King of your kingdom, is a scepter of justice. 02:06:47.840 --> 02:06:52.180 Which is how God rules and judges the world through the man. 02:06:52.960 --> 02:06:57.760 The scepter is the scepter of justice which God judges through. 02:06:58.320 --> 02:07:01.440 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness. 02:07:01.740 --> 02:07:06.340 Therefore, God, your God, so the God of the King, has anointed you. 02:07:08.040 --> 02:07:09.480 So the King has been anointed. 02:07:09.820 --> 02:07:15.380 Not that the King is God, but God anointed you with oil over your companions. 02:07:17.160 --> 02:07:23.840 This King has companions, but is being lifted up above them with oil of gladness. 02:07:27.760 --> 02:07:32.600 So how is Jesus God when it's not talking about Jesus as God, this God here? 02:07:33.200 --> 02:07:35.680 God anointed him, the King. 02:07:36.660 --> 02:07:39.540 Yeah, you know the Bible says God will be exalted. 02:07:40.600 --> 02:07:41.420 No it doesn't. 02:07:41.960 --> 02:07:42.460 Yeah it does. 02:07:42.660 --> 02:07:44.060 The Lord will be exalted. 02:07:44.060 --> 02:07:46.340 In other passages? 02:07:46.780 --> 02:07:49.220 No, because this is answering your point. 02:07:50.140 --> 02:07:53.140 No it's not, because exalting isn't being anointed. 02:07:54.140 --> 02:07:58.920 Exalting is just someone that raises up someone, like you or Greta. 02:07:59.760 --> 02:08:04.140 You're raising the name of Jehovah, sanctifying his name by letting it come 02:08:04.140 --> 02:08:05.880 off your lips with praise. 02:08:06.360 --> 02:08:08.300 It's not talking about the same context. 02:08:08.820 --> 02:08:12.320 So you're going to a different context, a different passage, that has nothing to 02:08:12.320 --> 02:08:13.260 do with Jesus. 02:08:13.260 --> 02:08:16.380 So God is not allowed to be anointed? 02:08:17.360 --> 02:08:17.720 No. 02:08:18.400 --> 02:08:18.980 Why not? 02:08:19.240 --> 02:08:21.860 Where does it say in the Bible that he's ever anointed at all? 02:08:22.100 --> 02:08:24.280 Where does it say he's forbidden to be anointed? 02:08:24.560 --> 02:08:27.340 Because he's the highest authority of all things. 02:08:27.720 --> 02:08:28.580 He anoints people. 02:08:28.580 --> 02:08:30.500 But he can still be exalted, so... 02:08:30.500 --> 02:08:32.540 That's not what anointed means. 02:08:32.740 --> 02:08:35.700 Ah, okay, so he can be exalted but not anointed. 02:08:36.580 --> 02:08:42.060 Yeah, because to exalt someone... you know you're making yourself look silly here. 02:08:42.060 --> 02:08:43.840 You do realize that? 02:08:44.480 --> 02:08:47.040 Because God isn't a messiah anointed. 02:08:47.580 --> 02:08:50.940 Anointed means that you are put into an authority. 02:08:51.160 --> 02:08:55.560 God is not put into an authority because God always is the authority. 02:08:55.920 --> 02:08:59.180 So you're making yourself look silly with the way you're saying it. 02:08:59.180 --> 02:09:02.100 Ah, like as if you've made a point when you haven't. 02:09:02.220 --> 02:09:03.480 Jesus limited himself. 02:09:05.740 --> 02:09:09.660 Yeah, he could be king, but he limited himself as a human being. 02:09:09.820 --> 02:09:11.240 Why are you moving the GoPros again? 02:09:12.320 --> 02:09:15.420 Okay, you don't know what moving the GoPros means. 02:09:15.860 --> 02:09:17.620 Answering your question is not moving the GoPros. 02:09:17.680 --> 02:09:19.100 No, I haven't asked the question. 02:09:19.580 --> 02:09:22.060 So again, you're saying stuff that I haven't said. 02:09:22.740 --> 02:09:26.300 You literally just said, this proves that Jesus is God. 02:09:26.420 --> 02:09:31.080 I've outright demolished that because it literally says that the king is being 02:09:31.080 --> 02:09:33.280 lifted up by his God. 02:09:34.160 --> 02:09:38.280 Now you've moved it onto a different passage that had nothing to do 02:09:38.280 --> 02:09:39.960 contextually with what we're talking about. 02:09:39.960 --> 02:09:43.980 Then once I said and showed that you're moving the GoPros to something else to 02:09:43.980 --> 02:09:46.840 make it look like he's God, off topic. 02:09:47.260 --> 02:09:51.960 Then you said, so God can't be anointed, but he can be exalted. 02:09:52.400 --> 02:09:54.320 Exalted means you lift up praise. 02:09:55.300 --> 02:09:57.860 Anointed is not lifting up praise. 02:09:58.060 --> 02:10:01.680 It's someone that does that who is the ultimate authority. 02:10:02.440 --> 02:10:07.140 God gave the authority to Jesus by anointing him as the Messiah. 02:10:08.220 --> 02:10:12.000 So your argument's flawed, but you're trying to make it look like you're making 02:10:12.000 --> 02:10:14.840 a point by making yourself look foolish. 02:10:15.000 --> 02:10:18.340 Because you're going, ah, see, you're not making a point. 02:10:19.780 --> 02:10:22.880 To exalt someone means you're lifting up their name. 02:10:23.220 --> 02:10:25.740 You're sanctifying, it's a respect. 02:10:26.420 --> 02:10:28.460 Jehovah God sanctified by your name. 02:10:28.620 --> 02:10:29.980 That is exalting, you're praising. 02:10:31.000 --> 02:10:33.660 Anointed is someone that the authority comes from. 02:10:34.160 --> 02:10:38.860 And you're making kind of a fool of them, Trinitarianism, to be honest. 02:10:39.080 --> 02:10:40.840 And I'm not trying to say that to be provocative. 02:10:42.260 --> 02:10:44.540 Okay, so tell me this. 02:10:45.420 --> 02:10:48.900 How can his name be exalted if he has the highest name? 02:10:49.620 --> 02:10:50.720 Because you praise it. 02:10:51.220 --> 02:10:51.980 You praise it. 02:10:52.100 --> 02:10:53.800 The person already has the highest name. 02:10:54.480 --> 02:10:54.760 Right? 02:10:55.180 --> 02:10:56.620 And you're the one that's praising it. 02:10:56.720 --> 02:10:57.820 You're exalting it when you speak. 02:10:58.340 --> 02:10:59.640 You're not just saying it generally. 02:10:59.640 --> 02:11:03.440 So therefore, you're not speaking just saying, Hi Dave. 02:11:04.280 --> 02:11:06.840 You're saying, your name is sanctified. 02:11:07.000 --> 02:11:11.080 You're praising his name for all the things that he by his name does. 02:11:11.540 --> 02:11:14.480 The miracles, wonders, and signs, you're praising him for the things he's 02:11:14.480 --> 02:11:14.700 done. 02:11:15.600 --> 02:11:19.940 Exactly, so he's allowed to be exalted, but he's not allowed to be anointed with 02:11:19.940 --> 02:11:20.340 oil. 02:11:21.200 --> 02:11:27.340 Yes, because one, to exalt someone, you're praising that person. 02:11:27.340 --> 02:11:30.520 If I say, you did a good job, little child. 02:11:30.700 --> 02:11:31.120 Well done. 02:11:31.400 --> 02:11:33.400 You're praising them for something you've done. 02:11:34.060 --> 02:11:38.260 It's not like you're raising them up as a literal person because you can't raise God 02:11:38.260 --> 02:11:39.000 above anything. 02:11:39.220 --> 02:11:44.740 Exalting literally just means that you're raising the person in esteem. 02:11:44.840 --> 02:11:46.060 Like, what you've done is good. 02:11:46.480 --> 02:11:48.820 I honour you for what you've done. 02:11:49.080 --> 02:11:52.380 You have freed Israel from Egypt. 02:11:53.240 --> 02:11:53.880 Thank you. 02:11:54.100 --> 02:11:55.060 Praise be your name. 02:11:55.060 --> 02:11:56.140 Your name. 02:11:56.440 --> 02:11:58.500 It is you who did all these things. 02:11:59.280 --> 02:12:02.480 Anointing is literally the authority being given. 02:12:03.660 --> 02:12:08.020 There's two different contexts and you make yourself look bad. 02:12:08.860 --> 02:12:10.860 Now you can say that all you want. 02:12:10.980 --> 02:12:14.040 The fact is Jesus limited himself. 02:12:14.580 --> 02:12:15.060 So what? 02:12:15.220 --> 02:12:17.000 So that is not contradictory to my position. 02:12:23.560 --> 02:12:24.300 That's what I'm saying. 02:12:24.300 --> 02:12:26.200 God cannot be anointed. 02:12:26.320 --> 02:12:27.100 I explained. 02:12:27.400 --> 02:12:31.060 Jesus limited himself as a human being so he can be anointed. 02:12:34.120 --> 02:12:35.560 God doesn't limit himself. 02:12:36.400 --> 02:12:36.740 Why not? 02:12:36.860 --> 02:12:38.300 He's not allowed to according to you? 02:12:38.600 --> 02:12:39.460 According to the Bible, no. 02:12:40.060 --> 02:12:41.700 According to you, you don't want him. 02:12:41.860 --> 02:12:45.520 Where does it say in the Bible that God limits himself? 02:12:46.920 --> 02:12:48.940 Philippines, chapter 2, verses 6 through 8. 02:12:49.720 --> 02:12:50.940 So, wait a minute. 02:12:51.260 --> 02:12:56.180 You're missing a verse 5 where it says we have the mindset of Jesus, who is a man, 02:12:56.940 --> 02:12:57.540 about God. 02:12:58.860 --> 02:12:59.280 Yes. 02:12:59.740 --> 02:13:00.260 So what? 02:13:00.920 --> 02:13:01.360 Really Taylor? 02:13:01.560 --> 02:13:02.440 Really what? 02:13:03.080 --> 02:13:08.280 Really, you're going to use a scripture about Jesus saying that Jesus humbles 02:13:08.280 --> 02:13:08.580 himself. 02:13:08.780 --> 02:13:11.080 That we have the same mindset in verse 5. 02:13:11.080 --> 02:13:17.520 As Jesus does, in our relationships, not considering ourselves equal to God, 02:13:18.380 --> 02:13:22.860 to make it look like God humbles himself, when nowhere does it say that Jesus is God 02:13:22.860 --> 02:13:26.740 ever at all in the entire Bible, which is the whole purpose of why we were 02:13:26.740 --> 02:13:32.220 on Hebrews 1, 8 and Psalm 45, which is the correlating scripture. 02:13:32.720 --> 02:13:36.660 You're going around in a circle trying to prove that God humbled himself, 02:13:37.320 --> 02:13:39.020 but God didn't. 02:13:39.140 --> 02:13:39.780 Jesus did. 02:13:39.780 --> 02:13:43.400 And nowhere does it say that Jesus is God, which is why I said, where does it say 02:13:43.400 --> 02:13:44.580 that Jesus is God? 02:13:45.180 --> 02:13:51.200 So when it says, of the son, he says, oh God, that's not... what does that mean? 02:13:51.340 --> 02:13:52.280 It's not about the son. 02:13:52.680 --> 02:13:54.740 He says, the context of it. 02:13:55.580 --> 02:13:56.700 Do you want to answer? 02:13:57.500 --> 02:14:03.480 The context of that is about the son, the scepter, that God has set him up. 02:14:06.560 --> 02:14:08.000 Yeah, but it calls him God. 02:14:08.940 --> 02:14:14.880 And literally Psalms 45 says that this is the king that is lifted up above his 02:14:14.880 --> 02:14:16.200 companions, which is Jesus. 02:14:16.520 --> 02:14:19.400 And God isn't lifted up. 02:14:19.800 --> 02:14:22.620 God is the one that's doing the lifting up, as it states. 02:14:23.640 --> 02:14:30.740 Therefore, God, your God has anointed you with oil of joy above your companions. 02:14:30.960 --> 02:14:32.160 Not that God was anointed. 02:14:33.320 --> 02:14:35.180 What does, what does exalt mean? 02:14:35.320 --> 02:14:36.320 It means lift up. 02:14:37.180 --> 02:14:39.940 Yeah, you lift up the name, you give praise to the name. 02:14:40.640 --> 02:14:42.780 Yeah, so you lift up God, correct? 02:14:43.120 --> 02:14:43.200 No. 02:14:44.260 --> 02:14:46.820 You exalt God, so you lift up God. 02:14:47.560 --> 02:14:51.080 Where does it say that God is being lifted up in this verse, which you brought up? 02:14:51.520 --> 02:14:55.440 No, there's another verse which says the Lord will be exalted, lifted up. 02:14:55.660 --> 02:14:55.840 So what? 02:14:57.800 --> 02:14:58.880 So you just... 02:14:58.880 --> 02:15:01.440 It's not saying that you're lifting him physically up. 02:15:01.800 --> 02:15:02.740 You're praising his name. 02:15:02.880 --> 02:15:03.980 I've said this a thousand times. 02:15:03.980 --> 02:15:04.940 Yeah, so you're lifting him up. 02:15:06.320 --> 02:15:08.100 His name, not him. 02:15:09.300 --> 02:15:10.980 He is the highest authority. 02:15:11.380 --> 02:15:12.400 You're raising his name. 02:15:13.460 --> 02:15:16.960 It doesn't say the Lord's name will be exalted. 02:15:17.120 --> 02:15:19.480 It says the Lord himself will be exalted. 02:15:19.920 --> 02:15:20.160 Yes. 02:15:20.760 --> 02:15:23.100 And it's by his name that you're exalting him. 02:15:23.100 --> 02:15:24.400 You're still exalting him. 02:15:25.440 --> 02:15:26.180 Exactly so. 02:15:26.880 --> 02:15:28.020 And his name is the highest name. 02:15:29.000 --> 02:15:32.140 Well, hold on, how can you raise his name if his name is the highest name? 02:15:33.720 --> 02:15:35.420 By praising his name. 02:15:35.520 --> 02:15:37.200 I don't know how many times I've got to say this. 02:15:37.600 --> 02:15:40.280 You praise the name, therefore you're lifting it. 02:15:40.540 --> 02:15:44.320 You can bring down a name by spitting on it and cursing against the name. 02:15:45.120 --> 02:15:49.560 So God's name can be lifted up, but God himself cannot be lifted up. 02:15:49.680 --> 02:15:50.520 That makes no sense. 02:15:52.420 --> 02:15:53.140 I'm good. 02:15:54.200 --> 02:15:55.640 What verse are you talking about? 02:15:58.500 --> 02:15:59.720 Let me see. 02:16:05.330 --> 02:16:08.250 Psalm 46.10. 02:16:19.590 --> 02:16:21.110 Let's see. 02:16:25.630 --> 02:16:32.550 Be still and know that I am God, I will be exalted. 02:16:32.550 --> 02:16:38.350 To rise, to rise up, to be high, be lofty, to be exalted. 02:16:39.030 --> 02:16:45.850 To be high, set on high, to be raised, to uplift, to be exalted. 02:16:46.110 --> 02:16:47.490 I'm finished reading it. 02:16:48.290 --> 02:16:51.870 Let's read the actual definition of the Adam. 02:16:54.250 --> 02:16:57.490 To be high or exalted, to rise. 02:17:00.230 --> 02:17:02.030 So, I will be exalted. 02:17:02.290 --> 02:17:03.350 What's the context to it? 02:17:05.670 --> 02:17:07.970 The context is God is exalted. 02:17:08.310 --> 02:17:08.990 Very simple. 02:17:09.550 --> 02:17:09.770 Yeah. 02:17:10.030 --> 02:17:11.470 So, right, he's exalted. 02:17:12.150 --> 02:17:13.450 You can exalt people's names. 02:17:13.810 --> 02:17:16.150 You can exalt them by having them as your God. 02:17:16.410 --> 02:17:19.030 You can bring people down and say that God doesn't exist. 02:17:19.290 --> 02:17:19.730 What's the point? 02:17:21.030 --> 02:17:21.550 Exactly. 02:17:22.430 --> 02:17:24.310 He says it's the one that's being anointed. 02:17:24.490 --> 02:17:26.790 It's totally off the topic of what you asked. 02:17:27.490 --> 02:17:29.650 The one that's being anointed isn't God, is it? 02:17:31.190 --> 02:17:33.430 So, God can be exalted but not anointed. 02:17:33.630 --> 02:17:34.670 That makes no sense. 02:17:35.450 --> 02:17:42.270 By the way, according to the definitions, to exalt is to raise in rank, power, 02:17:42.770 --> 02:17:50.650 or character, or to elevate by praise or estimation, glorify, obsolete, 02:17:53.330 --> 02:17:56.150 elite, to raise high or elevate. 02:17:56.150 --> 02:17:58.810 So, basically, it can mean praise. 02:17:59.330 --> 02:18:00.590 So, I will be praised. 02:18:01.490 --> 02:18:01.890 So, what? 02:18:04.010 --> 02:18:07.170 So, he will be praised. 02:18:08.150 --> 02:18:08.410 Right? 02:18:09.290 --> 02:18:09.730 Yeah, so? 02:18:10.850 --> 02:18:12.070 Yeah, so, what's the point? 02:18:13.150 --> 02:18:14.390 So, what is going to be praised? 02:18:14.490 --> 02:18:15.350 Obviously, he's being praised. 02:18:15.630 --> 02:18:15.990 He's God. 02:18:17.450 --> 02:18:19.530 Yeah, and he's exalted as well. 02:18:19.870 --> 02:18:21.910 And that is what exalt means. 02:18:22.070 --> 02:18:23.430 I've literally got the definition here. 02:18:23.430 --> 02:18:28.570 And it literally says to raise in rank, or power, or character, or to elevate by 02:18:28.570 --> 02:18:30.670 praise, or in esteem. 02:18:31.450 --> 02:18:34.950 So, that is literally the definition of what exalt means, to praise. 02:18:36.630 --> 02:18:37.150 Right. 02:18:37.590 --> 02:18:40.450 Right, so, that's got nothing to do with being anointed. 02:18:41.370 --> 02:18:46.270 Okay, so you're telling me that if God came down to earth in the form of a man, 02:18:46.750 --> 02:18:50.630 he wouldn't be allowed, but if he did, he wouldn't be allowed to be anointed with 02:18:50.630 --> 02:18:50.930 oil. 02:18:50.930 --> 02:18:55.610 If God was Batman, then, you know, he must be God. 02:18:56.810 --> 02:18:58.030 Okay, so you can't answer the question. 02:18:58.770 --> 02:18:59.490 I can't. 02:18:59.550 --> 02:19:04.190 I've literally answered the question with how silly the argument is. 02:19:04.510 --> 02:19:08.970 The question that you're posing is if, right, so what? 02:19:09.130 --> 02:19:10.170 Even if that was the case. 02:19:10.550 --> 02:19:17.250 If chocolate rain came out of the sky, well, it doesn't, so the argument's 02:19:17.250 --> 02:19:17.490 flawed. 02:19:17.490 --> 02:19:21.850 It doesn't matter if you say if he would, well, if he did, then yeah, because he can 02:19:21.850 --> 02:19:22.750 make up all the things. 02:19:22.790 --> 02:19:23.210 Ah, okay. 02:19:23.210 --> 02:19:26.750 If God was a man, he could be Willy Wonka, the chocolate factory. 02:19:27.030 --> 02:19:28.410 He could also be Batman. 02:19:28.650 --> 02:19:31.310 He could also, if that was the case, but he's not. 02:19:31.930 --> 02:19:35.410 God is not a man that he would lie, or the son of man that he would change his 02:19:35.410 --> 02:19:35.650 mind. 02:19:35.930 --> 02:19:39.170 I am Jehovah, your God, not a man. 02:19:39.830 --> 02:19:40.630 Okay, so... 02:19:40.630 --> 02:19:42.250 So, God himself says he's not a man. 02:19:42.690 --> 02:19:47.710 Okay, so if, yeah, okay, but you just admitted if God became a man, then he 02:19:47.710 --> 02:19:49.190 could be anointed with oil. 02:19:49.850 --> 02:19:51.730 If he did, but he didn't yet because he's not a man. 02:19:52.130 --> 02:19:53.170 The word became flesh. 02:19:53.890 --> 02:19:56.170 He says himself he's not a man. 02:19:56.630 --> 02:19:57.390 Yeah, he's a spirit. 02:19:57.510 --> 02:19:58.730 He can take on the form of a man. 02:19:59.030 --> 02:19:59.210 Yes. 02:19:59.290 --> 02:19:59.790 No, he can't. 02:19:59.930 --> 02:20:00.850 Where does it say that in the Bible? 02:20:01.150 --> 02:20:02.250 Because he's all-powerful. 02:20:02.710 --> 02:20:03.950 No, where does it say that in the Bible? 02:20:04.030 --> 02:20:07.250 Because it literally says that he is not a man. 02:20:07.410 --> 02:20:09.030 I am God, not a man. 02:20:09.030 --> 02:20:12.630 No, actually, you know, you know, it says that God is a man of war, 02:20:12.650 --> 02:20:13.170 right? 02:20:13.430 --> 02:20:14.670 An ish, not Adam. 02:20:16.930 --> 02:20:21.650 Dude, why do you think that you know the Hebrew language better than the people who 02:20:21.650 --> 02:20:22.810 actually translated it? 02:20:23.630 --> 02:20:25.150 Yeah, there's two words. 02:20:25.630 --> 02:20:27.810 Adam means man, like mankind. 02:20:28.530 --> 02:20:32.250 And ish, like British, means covenant man. 02:20:32.770 --> 02:20:33.930 Ish means man. 02:20:37.390 --> 02:20:38.430 Okay, look... 02:20:39.450 --> 02:20:41.410 But it says he is a man. 02:20:42.790 --> 02:20:43.590 Yeah, but not mankind. 02:20:44.530 --> 02:20:45.510 But he is a man. 02:20:46.430 --> 02:20:48.250 He's a man, not mankind. 02:20:48.370 --> 02:20:49.750 How many times do I have to say this? 02:20:49.990 --> 02:20:51.670 Because you're making yourself look foolish. 02:20:51.850 --> 02:20:57.290 Now, if I say I am a human being, but I'm also a son, I'm also different 02:20:57.290 --> 02:20:57.830 things. 02:20:58.150 --> 02:21:02.630 It doesn't mean that a son necessarily is a human being, or you can have a son 02:21:02.630 --> 02:21:03.890 offspring of a dog. 02:21:04.130 --> 02:21:05.370 Does it mean I'm a dog too? 02:21:06.430 --> 02:21:06.870 No. 02:21:08.430 --> 02:21:10.650 Okay, so would you say the word was ish? 02:21:12.550 --> 02:21:14.390 Who has to say the word was ish? 02:21:14.570 --> 02:21:16.550 No, I'm sorry, which one were you saying? 02:21:16.930 --> 02:21:19.810 You have to say God is ish. 02:21:20.390 --> 02:21:21.710 No, I don't know Hebrew. 02:21:21.930 --> 02:21:22.690 I'm asking you. 02:21:23.230 --> 02:21:24.910 Adam is mankind. 02:21:25.350 --> 02:21:26.370 Adam, yeah? 02:21:26.890 --> 02:21:28.350 You were called male and female. 02:21:28.610 --> 02:21:31.030 They are called Adam, talking about mankind. 02:21:31.650 --> 02:21:35.510 And you've got ish, which is a generic term for a man. 02:21:36.670 --> 02:21:40.010 Adam is talking about a human being that's a physical person. 02:21:42.330 --> 02:21:45.770 Okay, I don't know Hebrew, and you don't either, so... 02:21:45.770 --> 02:21:50.210 I know enough to know that Adam is for mankind, if you do know that. 02:21:50.730 --> 02:21:55.730 You were called... the male and female are called Adam, man. 02:21:56.590 --> 02:21:57.770 It's talking about the kind. 02:21:58.530 --> 02:22:02.550 Just like the male and female dog are called dog. 02:22:03.970 --> 02:22:05.630 They're after the dog kind. 02:22:06.310 --> 02:22:10.490 God is not a human being, a man, as in Adam. 02:22:11.550 --> 02:22:15.550 He's a male figure, like father, ish. 02:22:16.570 --> 02:22:21.050 But he's not Adam, which is a physical, created human being. 02:22:24.280 --> 02:22:26.900 And anyway, you're totally off topic to what we've... 02:22:26.900 --> 02:22:29.700 which you said apparently shows that Jesus is God. 02:22:30.060 --> 02:22:33.020 Even though it literally says that, therefore God anointed you. 02:22:33.020 --> 02:22:35.220 Where does it say that this one that's anointed is God? 02:22:36.640 --> 02:22:38.580 Hebrews 1.8, it says he's God. 02:22:38.700 --> 02:22:39.860 You still haven't addressed it. 02:22:40.560 --> 02:22:41.640 I've just read it. 02:22:41.820 --> 02:22:45.580 I've read Hebrews 1, which derives from Psalms 45. 02:22:46.740 --> 02:22:51.060 And it's talking about Jesus, the one that's anointed by God. 02:22:51.820 --> 02:22:57.020 Okay, but it says, of the Son, he says, God. 02:22:57.800 --> 02:22:58.860 Yeah, of the Son. 02:22:59.080 --> 02:23:02.540 So this same thing here is talking in context to the Son. 02:23:04.440 --> 02:23:07.540 Your throne, O God, is forever and ever. 02:23:08.020 --> 02:23:10.300 The righteous scepter is the scepter of your kingdom. 02:23:10.540 --> 02:23:13.080 So God's righteous scepter is the Son. 02:23:14.000 --> 02:23:14.480 What's your point? 02:23:16.740 --> 02:23:19.280 You just said, is he called God or not? 02:23:19.500 --> 02:23:19.680 No. 02:23:20.760 --> 02:23:24.920 It's talking about God, who has this righteous scepter, which is Yeshua. 02:23:27.280 --> 02:23:28.400 It says, O. 02:23:28.440 --> 02:23:31.880 I honestly have no idea what you're even trying to argue here. 02:23:31.880 --> 02:23:34.940 Yeshua, the Son, is the scepter, the King. 02:23:35.260 --> 02:23:36.920 I've said this numerous times. 02:23:37.040 --> 02:23:37.700 You're just not listening. 02:23:38.960 --> 02:23:42.280 Look, I guarantee you, nobody here understands what you're even trying to 02:23:42.280 --> 02:23:42.640 argue. 02:23:43.200 --> 02:23:44.580 It says, of the Son... 02:23:44.580 --> 02:23:48.960 That's if people, you think, people, and you're speaking for everyone in the 02:23:48.960 --> 02:23:49.520 chat, apparently. 02:23:50.000 --> 02:23:51.800 I don't care what other people think. 02:23:51.820 --> 02:23:52.500 It's a fact. 02:23:53.220 --> 02:23:57.360 Because if you look at the passage we've read, it talks about two people. 02:23:57.360 --> 02:24:02.180 The King, which God is fighting against the King's enemies. 02:24:02.760 --> 02:24:05.380 And that God raises Him, the King. 02:24:06.200 --> 02:24:11.560 So it's clearly saying, therefore God has anointed you, the King. 02:24:12.200 --> 02:24:13.560 Look at the proper context. 02:24:14.000 --> 02:24:15.340 So the King isn't God. 02:24:16.360 --> 02:24:17.600 God raises the King. 02:24:18.280 --> 02:24:19.000 Okay. 02:24:19.720 --> 02:24:26.480 So when it says, of the Son, he says, O God... 02:24:26.480 --> 02:24:28.280 What does that mean? 02:24:30.720 --> 02:24:37.520 That his God, the King, your God, is setting you up. 02:24:39.420 --> 02:24:40.740 Just as it is written. 02:24:41.260 --> 02:24:43.540 I honestly have no idea what you're even saying. 02:24:43.880 --> 02:24:45.060 You just asked me a question. 02:24:45.220 --> 02:24:45.980 I've answered your point. 02:24:46.200 --> 02:24:47.320 Literally, let's read it again. 02:24:47.460 --> 02:24:48.100 The context. 02:24:49.440 --> 02:24:52.140 My heart is moved with a good theme. 02:24:52.300 --> 02:24:55.360 I address the verse to the King. 02:24:55.360 --> 02:24:58.560 My tongue is a pen of a ready writer. 02:24:59.840 --> 02:25:03.200 You are the most handsome of the sons of mankind. 02:25:03.780 --> 02:25:05.860 Grace is poured out on your lips. 02:25:06.580 --> 02:25:08.460 Therefore, God has blessed you. 02:25:08.640 --> 02:25:10.160 So the King has been blessed. 02:25:10.540 --> 02:25:11.900 And later on it says, what? 02:25:12.320 --> 02:25:14.440 God has anointed you. 02:25:14.880 --> 02:25:15.080 How? 02:25:15.220 --> 02:25:15.980 Because he blessed them. 02:25:16.900 --> 02:25:21.680 Strap your sword on your thigh, mighty one, in your splendor and majesty. 02:25:22.020 --> 02:25:24.720 And in your majesty ride on victoriously. 02:25:25.080 --> 02:25:28.420 For the cause of truth, humility, and righteousness. 02:25:29.020 --> 02:25:32.040 Let your right hand teach you awesome things. 02:25:32.480 --> 02:25:33.980 Your arrows are sharp. 02:25:34.260 --> 02:25:35.760 The people fall under you. 02:25:35.900 --> 02:25:38.560 Your arrows are in the heart of the King's enemies. 02:25:38.780 --> 02:25:40.760 So God is attacking the King's enemies. 02:25:41.840 --> 02:25:43.700 And then it's talking about God. 02:25:45.260 --> 02:25:48.680 Therefore, your throne, sorry, God, is forever. 02:25:49.300 --> 02:25:54.440 Your scepter, talking about the King, of your kingdom, is the scepter of 02:25:54.440 --> 02:25:54.780 justice. 02:25:55.020 --> 02:25:57.640 Yeshua is the King and he brings justice. 02:25:58.400 --> 02:26:01.360 You have loved righteousness and he had witnessed. 02:26:01.660 --> 02:26:03.580 Therefore, God, and that's talking about the King. 02:26:03.940 --> 02:26:06.080 You have loved righteousness and he had witnessed. 02:26:06.540 --> 02:26:12.320 Therefore, your God, the God of this King, has anointed you. 02:26:12.320 --> 02:26:13.340 Blessed you. 02:26:14.100 --> 02:26:15.200 It's quite clear. 02:26:15.380 --> 02:26:18.380 It's not hard to read it out in English. 02:26:19.580 --> 02:26:20.780 God blessed the King. 02:26:21.800 --> 02:26:23.700 God attacked the King's enemies. 02:26:24.380 --> 02:26:29.220 God has this scepter of righteousness and justice, which is the King. 02:26:29.720 --> 02:26:31.320 And God anointed him. 02:26:31.820 --> 02:26:34.920 Yeah, there were two who were called God, yes. 02:26:35.000 --> 02:26:35.400 No, it's not. 02:26:36.380 --> 02:26:36.860 Okay. 02:26:38.200 --> 02:26:40.600 Okay, well, you keep going back to Isaiah 45. 02:26:41.180 --> 02:26:41.860 That's cool and all. 02:26:41.860 --> 02:26:42.860 But in Hebrews... 02:26:44.000 --> 02:26:45.160 I'm sorry, it's Psalm. 02:26:45.700 --> 02:26:51.160 And this is the context to Hebrews 1. 02:26:51.320 --> 02:26:53.060 It's where it's deriving from. 02:26:54.300 --> 02:26:57.400 Okay, but in Hebrews, you still haven't answered my question. 02:26:57.480 --> 02:26:59.120 Why does it say, of the Son? 02:26:59.520 --> 02:27:00.680 Yeah, of the Son. 02:27:00.680 --> 02:27:01.480 Of the Son. 02:27:01.620 --> 02:27:03.260 And the Son is the scepter of God. 02:27:04.140 --> 02:27:07.680 No, of the Son, he says, your throne, O God. 02:27:08.560 --> 02:27:09.840 No, it doesn't say Heseus. 02:27:09.940 --> 02:27:10.960 The Heseus is in bracket. 02:27:10.960 --> 02:27:12.560 Oh my goodness, seriously? 02:27:13.420 --> 02:27:14.340 It means it's not there. 02:27:15.320 --> 02:27:15.880 Look it up. 02:27:16.200 --> 02:27:18.220 Yeah, you do know that when they... 02:27:18.220 --> 02:27:20.300 What does it mean when Heseus is in brackets? 02:27:20.540 --> 02:27:21.220 I know what it means. 02:27:21.300 --> 02:27:23.680 It means that it is implied from the language. 02:27:24.240 --> 02:27:26.200 Yeah, it's implied by Trinitarians. 02:27:26.480 --> 02:27:27.420 It's not in the scripture. 02:27:27.620 --> 02:27:29.760 No, it is implied by the language. 02:27:29.960 --> 02:27:30.840 That's how the language works. 02:27:30.860 --> 02:27:31.360 No, it's not. 02:27:31.660 --> 02:27:31.920 Oh, it's not. 02:27:31.920 --> 02:27:32.940 It means that it's imposed. 02:27:33.340 --> 02:27:34.600 I've literally looked this up. 02:27:35.100 --> 02:27:37.960 It literally means that it's not found in the scripture. 02:27:38.120 --> 02:27:39.120 It's imposed. 02:27:40.180 --> 02:27:41.220 Not that it's there. 02:27:41.740 --> 02:27:46.960 It literally says, of the Son, in this passage here, talking about Psalms 02:27:46.960 --> 02:27:50.360 45, it's talking about the Son being the scepter of God. 02:27:50.940 --> 02:27:52.200 And we've literally seen that. 02:27:52.280 --> 02:27:56.660 And you're trying to go here because it's only one verse of one part of the whole 02:27:56.660 --> 02:27:57.020 passage. 02:27:57.680 --> 02:28:00.800 Okay, okay, so now I understand what you're trying to argue now. 02:28:00.880 --> 02:28:03.160 I was so confused this entire time, but now I understand what you're trying to 02:28:03.160 --> 02:28:03.300 argue. 02:28:03.500 --> 02:28:04.520 I don't know how I said the same thing. 02:28:05.240 --> 02:28:07.700 Well, because you didn't mention the brackets part. 02:28:09.340 --> 02:28:11.340 Okay, so let's see. 02:28:11.540 --> 02:28:14.680 Actually, if you look at the start, when we came onto here, I said, 02:28:14.780 --> 02:28:18.100 but of the Son, you're thrown because the He sees is in brackets. 02:28:18.100 --> 02:28:19.240 I've literally said that. 02:28:19.760 --> 02:28:22.740 Well, yeah, but I didn't know that you thought that brackets meant that it wasn't 02:28:22.740 --> 02:28:24.200 supposed to be in there. 02:28:24.540 --> 02:28:25.700 I didn't know that's what that... 02:28:25.700 --> 02:28:27.620 Yeah, you said it's in brackets, you don't impose it. 02:28:27.700 --> 02:28:29.140 I said that right at the start. 02:28:29.440 --> 02:28:32.980 No, but I didn't know that you believe that that meant that. 02:28:32.980 --> 02:28:36.280 So this is your interpretation. 02:28:36.580 --> 02:28:37.960 Of the Son, you're thrown. 02:28:38.100 --> 02:28:39.040 Oh, God is forever and ever. 02:28:39.160 --> 02:28:40.260 That makes no sense. 02:28:40.840 --> 02:28:42.960 No, of the Son, and this is in commas. 02:28:44.740 --> 02:28:48.420 It's quoting Psalm 45, isn't it? 02:28:48.480 --> 02:28:49.800 So obviously it's in quotation. 02:28:50.340 --> 02:28:53.600 Of the Son, and he's saying this, which is from Psalm 45. 02:28:54.640 --> 02:28:56.180 This is in regards to the Son. 02:28:56.180 --> 02:28:58.020 His God, yeah? 02:28:59.740 --> 02:29:01.400 He is the scepter of his God. 02:29:01.900 --> 02:29:04.460 Your throne, God, is forever and ever. 02:29:04.920 --> 02:29:09.840 And the righteous scepter is the scepter of his kingdom, which we've read in Psalm 02:29:09.840 --> 02:29:10.420 45. 02:29:11.140 --> 02:29:14.620 The king is the king, the scepter of God's kingdom. 02:29:14.800 --> 02:29:18.320 And the king was risen up by God. 02:29:21.740 --> 02:29:23.620 That's why I went to Psalm 45. 02:29:24.440 --> 02:29:24.980 Yeah, okay. 02:29:25.040 --> 02:29:25.740 To answer your question. 02:29:25.740 --> 02:29:31.140 Okay, yeah, your interpretation is still making zero sense. 02:29:31.620 --> 02:29:32.840 So, of the Son. 02:29:33.540 --> 02:29:34.060 One second. 02:29:34.280 --> 02:29:34.900 It's of the Son. 02:29:34.900 --> 02:29:35.700 This is in context. 02:29:36.280 --> 02:29:40.340 So, tell me when you believe Jesus is being talked about. 02:29:41.580 --> 02:29:44.440 My heart is moved for a good theme. 02:29:44.780 --> 02:29:48.280 I address my verse to the king. 02:29:48.600 --> 02:29:51.260 Oh, he's gone, as per usual, just like yesterday. 02:29:51.680 --> 02:29:52.720 Just like the day before. 02:29:52.720 --> 02:29:57.440 When a question comes to him, tell me when Jesus is apparently being talked of. 02:29:58.780 --> 02:29:59.820 He dodges. 02:30:01.300 --> 02:30:04.800 This is like the third time he's ran out without saying why. 02:30:05.200 --> 02:30:07.120 So, yeah. 02:30:07.420 --> 02:30:10.060 Maybe I'll stop having him on if he's going to keep on doing that. 02:30:10.580 --> 02:30:11.400 Being rude. 02:30:12.940 --> 02:30:13.440 Anyway. 02:30:16.440 --> 02:30:18.200 Where would you see Jesus is? 02:30:18.280 --> 02:30:21.700 Because this king is blessed by God. 02:30:23.000 --> 02:30:24.380 And he's blessed forever. 02:30:24.980 --> 02:30:27.100 Well, this king is blessed forever. 02:30:28.180 --> 02:30:29.980 But if he's a normal human being, he's dead. 02:30:30.320 --> 02:30:32.580 But there's only one king who reigns forever. 02:30:33.140 --> 02:30:33.860 And that's Jesus. 02:30:35.000 --> 02:30:36.600 Strap your sword to your thigh. 02:30:36.860 --> 02:30:38.700 Make one in your splendor. 02:30:39.500 --> 02:30:41.380 So, God has blessed this king. 02:30:42.040 --> 02:30:43.020 Which one's Jesus? 02:30:44.660 --> 02:30:48.140 Again, Tyler, you can run away from questions as much as you want, 02:30:48.200 --> 02:30:48.580 my friend. 02:30:48.580 --> 02:30:51.460 But it's pointless even having Tyler on anymore. 02:30:51.660 --> 02:30:56.260 Because this is the third time that he's jumped out when a question's gotten too 02:30:56.260 --> 02:30:56.740 hard for him. 02:30:57.140 --> 02:31:00.080 Just say he thinks that God has created things. 02:31:00.500 --> 02:31:04.060 And that the sun had flesh imputed on him. 02:31:04.140 --> 02:31:07.700 Even though nowhere does it say that at all. 02:31:08.120 --> 02:31:10.740 And he believes that Jesus is God. 02:31:11.080 --> 02:31:15.320 Even if he has the title of Elohim, doesn't mean that he's God. 02:31:15.320 --> 02:31:21.560 The only time you see in regards to Yeshua being called God is when it says about 02:31:21.560 --> 02:31:22.080 judges. 02:31:22.500 --> 02:31:27.440 Therefore, you are gods and sons of the Most High. 02:31:28.260 --> 02:31:30.760 It talks about judges as gods. 02:31:31.760 --> 02:31:34.540 Therefore, you are gods and sons of the Most High. 02:31:34.860 --> 02:31:37.520 But you have dealt wrong. 02:31:37.700 --> 02:31:38.520 You have done this. 02:31:38.560 --> 02:31:39.860 You have done these bad things. 02:31:39.920 --> 02:31:42.560 You have judged incorrectly, corruptly and stuff. 02:31:42.560 --> 02:31:49.040 Then you say this God, this Elohim, has inherited and he will judge the world. 02:31:49.740 --> 02:31:54.660 That's the only time you see Jesus as God but not as the Creator God. 02:31:54.800 --> 02:31:57.420 But we see the context is talking about judge. 02:31:57.900 --> 02:31:59.660 A God that is judged. 02:32:00.280 --> 02:32:02.480 Just like the other gods are judges. 02:32:02.820 --> 02:32:04.800 But they are judged incorrectly. 02:32:05.240 --> 02:32:07.240 He's a human being, a judge. 02:32:07.800 --> 02:32:09.220 Therefore, an Elohim. 02:32:10.540 --> 02:32:13.760 Elohim doesn't mean you are Jehovah the Creator God. 02:32:14.120 --> 02:32:18.940 Even if this was the case, which would make no sense because God raised up a 02:32:18.940 --> 02:32:19.220 king. 02:32:19.760 --> 02:32:25.240 And if it's Jesus which is this God, raising up another king as an eternal king 02:32:25.240 --> 02:32:26.320 makes no sense. 02:32:26.480 --> 02:32:30.100 Because Yeshua is the only one that is the king forever. 02:32:30.900 --> 02:32:31.460 Nonsense. 02:32:36.620 --> 02:32:38.460 Anyway, we've had a few people in. 02:32:38.600 --> 02:32:40.200 I don't think anyone has called in. 02:32:40.320 --> 02:32:44.440 But I'll give other people the opportunity to call in if you want to. 02:32:44.500 --> 02:32:48.440 If no one does call in, I'm going to end up the video anyway. 02:32:48.780 --> 02:32:54.540 Tyler came in and just totally ran at the sight of a hard question for the third 02:32:54.540 --> 02:32:55.520 time in a row now. 02:32:55.520 --> 02:33:01.860 And the other one, the other Trinitarian, like seriously. 02:33:02.800 --> 02:33:05.860 Trying to talk to him was just frustrating. 02:33:06.080 --> 02:33:10.580 I literally kept on trying to answer points he brought up about Jehovah raining 02:33:10.580 --> 02:33:11.220 down fire. 02:33:11.420 --> 02:33:16.320 And he said blah blah blah talking over when I'm trying to reply to his point. 02:33:16.440 --> 02:33:19.340 Then he went over to Abraham talking to three men. 02:33:19.960 --> 02:33:22.820 And I was trying to get to that after I raised up the point. 02:33:22.820 --> 02:33:24.940 You see Trinitarians jump about. 02:33:25.100 --> 02:33:25.940 We're seeing Tyler. 02:33:26.280 --> 02:33:33.780 Tyler himself literally went, go to here, Hebrews 1.8, which is in correlation to 02:33:33.780 --> 02:33:35.280 Psalms 45. 02:33:36.140 --> 02:33:42.420 I go to there and Psalms 45 to give the fuller context to that verse that is 02:33:42.420 --> 02:33:43.000 brought up. 02:33:43.760 --> 02:33:53.100 And then he said something else he's called in Psalms 46. 02:33:55.160 --> 02:33:59.540 He's exalted, which means to praise or to raise up. 02:34:01.080 --> 02:34:02.040 What's your point? 02:34:02.680 --> 02:34:04.440 What's that got to do with what we're talking about? 02:34:04.900 --> 02:34:09.760 He tried to go off topic from what he rose up as a point of Jesus being God. 02:34:09.760 --> 02:34:12.640 But then as soon as I tap on this, he goes to another one. 02:34:12.720 --> 02:34:13.660 Look, he's been exalted. 02:34:13.760 --> 02:34:15.640 What's that got to do with anointing? 02:34:16.020 --> 02:34:18.160 God is anointing the king. 02:34:22.340 --> 02:34:23.900 What's that got to do with anything? 02:34:25.180 --> 02:34:26.760 So God is exalted. 02:34:27.140 --> 02:34:27.840 He's praised. 02:34:29.540 --> 02:34:36.120 What's that got to do with Hebrews 45 where God anoints a human being a king? 02:34:37.960 --> 02:34:38.980 What is this? 02:34:39.140 --> 02:34:39.560 It doesn't. 02:34:40.360 --> 02:34:43.640 Trinitarians go, look over here, look over here, magic, magic. 02:34:43.860 --> 02:34:47.780 When they want you to literally answer a question over here. 02:34:47.920 --> 02:34:49.740 But look over here, what about this point? 02:34:50.060 --> 02:34:52.180 That's got nothing to do with what you're asking. 02:34:52.720 --> 02:34:55.560 And this is why Trinitarians can't get to the point of the truth. 02:34:55.820 --> 02:34:57.340 Because they don't want to see it. 02:34:57.420 --> 02:34:59.360 They want to come up with just things off the top of their head. 02:34:59.800 --> 02:35:02.820 When Jesus himself said, the Father is alone the true God. 02:35:02.820 --> 02:35:04.860 John 17 verse 1 to 3. 02:35:05.200 --> 02:35:06.860 John 20 verse 17. 02:35:07.320 --> 02:35:10.180 I go to my Father, your Father, my God, and your God. 02:35:10.300 --> 02:35:11.780 The disciple's God is the Father. 02:35:11.880 --> 02:35:13.280 He never says, I go to my Father. 02:35:13.340 --> 02:35:16.100 But your God is the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. 02:35:18.580 --> 02:35:20.020 Revelation 3 verse 12. 02:35:20.100 --> 02:35:21.880 He's still saying God. 02:35:23.440 --> 02:35:26.180 I will make you a pillar to the temple of my God. 02:35:27.420 --> 02:35:28.640 He still has a God. 02:35:29.940 --> 02:35:33.820 Jesus is the chief cornerstone to the temple of God. 02:35:35.260 --> 02:35:36.300 How is he God? 02:35:39.470 --> 02:35:43.210 He is made submissive to God himself. 02:35:43.670 --> 02:35:46.430 In 1 Corinthians 15 verse 27 to 28. 02:35:47.250 --> 02:35:51.110 It's so explicit that Jesus keeps on saying the Father. 02:35:51.290 --> 02:35:53.630 Indicates the Father is alone God. 02:35:53.990 --> 02:35:54.730 He is God. 02:35:54.870 --> 02:35:55.570 He is God. 02:35:56.590 --> 02:36:01.510 Nowhere does he ever indicate himself as God, as the Creator, Jehovah. 02:36:01.770 --> 02:36:05.750 The only time you see him as a part of creation is through God. 02:36:06.070 --> 02:36:07.050 Through Jesus. 02:36:08.170 --> 02:36:10.050 Resurrects us into the new creation. 02:36:11.150 --> 02:36:13.930 So it doesn't matter what you say, Tyler. 02:36:14.370 --> 02:36:15.270 I wish for the best. 02:36:15.450 --> 02:36:18.250 But clearly, you keep on moving. 02:36:19.990 --> 02:36:23.390 You're more than welcome to call in if you've got something new. 02:36:23.390 --> 02:36:26.550 But as pointless, you're calling in if you're going to come up with this type of 02:36:26.550 --> 02:36:26.950 argument. 02:36:27.290 --> 02:36:29.550 You keep on moving the goalposts. 02:36:29.590 --> 02:36:32.670 Just as Doc E. 02:36:32.730 --> 02:36:36.830 Jar moved the goalposts and kept on talking over when I was trying to answer 02:36:36.830 --> 02:36:37.430 his question. 02:36:38.890 --> 02:36:45.290 Every time I attempt to answer a question, that guy was just letting his mouth just 02:36:45.290 --> 02:36:46.130 spew stuff. 02:36:46.630 --> 02:36:50.990 I'm literally reading the scripture and you're still talking over the scripture. 02:36:51.590 --> 02:36:52.910 It's not even me now. 02:36:53.010 --> 02:36:55.670 I'm literally reading the scripture that you wanted me to read and you're still 02:36:55.670 --> 02:36:56.410 talking like this. 02:36:56.770 --> 02:36:58.070 You've got no respect for the scripture. 02:37:01.410 --> 02:37:01.910 Anyway... 02:37:04.250 --> 02:37:07.210 I tried my very best to answer the point. 02:37:08.810 --> 02:37:11.750 Again, the same nonsense. 02:37:12.910 --> 02:37:17.330 Tyler, you literally ran away from a question and you're coming up with this 02:37:17.330 --> 02:37:19.990 ignorant point. 02:37:19.990 --> 02:37:23.730 God speaks through him. 02:37:23.890 --> 02:37:25.670 I do not speak on my own. 02:37:25.750 --> 02:37:28.990 It is the Father who commands me what to say. 02:37:29.390 --> 02:37:31.950 Deuteronomy 18 verse 15 to 19. 02:37:32.350 --> 02:37:35.650 I will raise up a prophet because they won't listen to him. 02:37:35.890 --> 02:37:38.010 Let us not hear God's voice anymore. 02:37:38.210 --> 02:37:40.510 So he raises up a prophet to speak through. 02:37:40.750 --> 02:37:42.330 They're not hearing God's voice. 02:37:43.070 --> 02:37:47.150 They are listening to a prophet who speaks on behalf of God. 02:37:47.150 --> 02:37:50.570 I will put my words in his mouth. 02:37:50.870 --> 02:37:54.530 He will say everything I command him to. 02:37:54.850 --> 02:37:57.870 He will come in my name. 02:38:00.150 --> 02:38:05.730 So yeah, God is saying if you destroy this body through Jesus, I will raise it up. 02:38:06.030 --> 02:38:07.450 Who is the one that raised him up? 02:38:07.690 --> 02:38:10.910 Show me one verse other than that because he's talking future tense. 02:38:11.390 --> 02:38:12.370 I will do this. 02:38:12.890 --> 02:38:15.290 Then show me one verse where he actually did do it. 02:38:19.840 --> 02:38:20.820 Still waiting. 02:38:22.340 --> 02:38:23.640 Show me one verse. 02:38:24.080 --> 02:38:24.780 Jump back in. 02:38:24.880 --> 02:38:30.020 Show me one verse where Jesus was the one raising himself. 02:38:31.340 --> 02:38:34.560 Not, I will do this because God speaks through him. 02:38:34.900 --> 02:38:38.440 Show me where he did raise up himself. 02:38:43.550 --> 02:38:45.310 I'll give him a further... 02:38:45.310 --> 02:38:47.910 I'll come off in about three, four minutes. 02:38:47.910 --> 02:38:49.530 I'm going to give him a chance to call in. 02:38:49.790 --> 02:38:52.690 Give a verse where Jesus raised himself. 02:38:53.050 --> 02:38:55.670 If he can't do that, his argument is nonsense. 02:39:00.220 --> 02:39:02.760 This is why, my friend, you've got to repent. 02:39:04.940 --> 02:39:06.460 I'm not talking to you. 02:39:06.640 --> 02:39:07.880 You talked over us. 02:39:07.900 --> 02:39:09.440 You're not getting onto the stream. 02:39:11.420 --> 02:39:12.460 I warned you. 02:39:12.960 --> 02:39:13.800 You kept on talking. 02:39:13.940 --> 02:39:15.960 I muted you three or four times. 02:39:16.200 --> 02:39:18.420 You kept on talking even when you were muted. 02:39:18.420 --> 02:39:21.000 And I said, I'm talking because you have no respect. 02:39:21.100 --> 02:39:22.220 You talk over scripture. 02:39:23.980 --> 02:39:26.820 And I said, if you kept on talking, you're going to get blocked. 02:39:27.100 --> 02:39:27.800 You're banned, mate. 02:39:27.960 --> 02:39:28.660 You're not coming on. 02:39:29.140 --> 02:39:30.460 So, yeah. 02:39:31.540 --> 02:39:33.440 Again, I'm waiting for Tyler. 02:39:35.320 --> 02:39:37.080 I'm not wasting my time. 02:39:38.760 --> 02:39:40.860 Not wasting my time on you. 02:39:43.820 --> 02:39:47.400 If Tyler tells me to go over there, which he'll probably do because he wants 02:39:47.400 --> 02:39:48.320 to reach... 02:39:49.820 --> 02:39:50.340 No, 02:39:53.520 --> 02:39:54.260 answer the question. 02:39:54.540 --> 02:39:55.860 Look at this, guys. 02:39:56.240 --> 02:39:56.360 Look. 02:40:00.120 --> 02:40:01.720 I ask him a question. 02:40:02.320 --> 02:40:07.240 All he does is ask questions or state things and ignore the question. 02:40:07.320 --> 02:40:10.920 Because it's not one scripture at all that says, God the Son. 02:40:11.620 --> 02:40:14.900 Nowhere does it say that Jesus is the God creator, Jehovah. 02:40:15.640 --> 02:40:16.540 Jehovah God. 02:40:17.360 --> 02:40:21.760 Nowhere does it say anything in regards to the question that I imposed to him. 02:40:21.900 --> 02:40:25.580 Saying, show me where Yeshua himself raised himself. 02:40:25.840 --> 02:40:30.440 Because he said, if this is just Jesus speaking, there should be a verse where 02:40:30.440 --> 02:40:32.500 Jesus raised himself. 02:40:32.640 --> 02:40:33.200 But there isn't. 02:40:34.060 --> 02:40:36.140 He said, I will raise this temple. 02:40:36.660 --> 02:40:37.700 Or, I will raise... 02:40:39.380 --> 02:40:41.600 Because God's speaking through him. 02:40:43.240 --> 02:40:47.580 So again, and now, as soon as I say that, you say, nah, I'm leaving. 02:40:47.720 --> 02:40:48.440 Because he's got nothing. 02:40:49.300 --> 02:40:50.460 Trinitarianism has got nothing. 02:40:51.520 --> 02:40:52.960 I wish for the best for you, Tyler. 02:40:53.000 --> 02:40:53.560 I really do. 02:40:53.660 --> 02:40:55.020 I want you to come to the truth. 02:40:55.220 --> 02:40:59.620 But while you've got these headphones, and they're dumbing out the truth, 02:41:00.060 --> 02:41:03.420 and blindfold over your eyes, and you don't want to know the truth, you've got 02:41:03.420 --> 02:41:03.720 nothing. 02:41:03.900 --> 02:41:07.740 This is now three days in a row where you've literally run away from the 02:41:07.740 --> 02:41:09.220 question that I've posed. 02:41:09.760 --> 02:41:11.420 The first time we were talking... 02:41:11.420 --> 02:41:15.500 I can't even remember the first point, but I know that it started getting heated 02:41:15.500 --> 02:41:16.520 for you. 02:41:17.060 --> 02:41:19.120 When I asked you, why? 02:41:19.660 --> 02:41:21.460 If this is... 02:41:21.460 --> 02:41:22.900 He went, is this the Word of God to you? 02:41:23.060 --> 02:41:23.260 Yeah. 02:41:23.440 --> 02:41:25.120 The Word of God is in the Bible. 02:41:25.420 --> 02:41:25.580 Yeah. 02:41:26.540 --> 02:41:27.480 Oh, well, is it God? 02:41:28.380 --> 02:41:29.100 Well, no. 02:41:29.520 --> 02:41:31.520 The Word of God is God. 02:41:31.620 --> 02:41:32.340 That's in it. 02:41:32.340 --> 02:41:36.280 But it, the Bible, is not God. 02:41:36.500 --> 02:41:38.400 The Word in it is God. 02:41:39.980 --> 02:41:40.420 And I went... 02:41:41.640 --> 02:41:43.480 And he went, yeah, you're right on that. 02:41:43.520 --> 02:41:44.020 And I went, okay. 02:41:45.400 --> 02:41:47.020 The Word of God is in Jesus. 02:41:48.440 --> 02:41:49.580 And Jesus is a man. 02:41:49.640 --> 02:41:50.460 That's a created thing. 02:41:50.840 --> 02:41:51.700 Is Jesus God? 02:41:52.100 --> 02:41:52.980 Well, he's not created. 02:41:53.120 --> 02:41:54.540 So he's not the flesh. 02:41:54.660 --> 02:41:56.840 He's not the human being that he came as. 02:41:57.460 --> 02:41:58.100 Well, yeah, he is. 02:41:58.520 --> 02:42:00.020 Is the flesh a created thing? 02:42:00.200 --> 02:42:00.460 Yes. 02:42:00.800 --> 02:42:01.800 So how is he God? 02:42:01.800 --> 02:42:03.500 What if God isn't a created thing? 02:42:03.780 --> 02:42:09.560 Now, he's changing his view, like, two days after, saying that it isn't the 02:42:09.560 --> 02:42:09.820 case. 02:42:11.200 --> 02:42:12.620 And we've got this guy. 02:42:12.720 --> 02:42:13.400 This guy here. 02:42:13.480 --> 02:42:14.700 The one that kept on talking over. 02:42:14.820 --> 02:42:16.300 I need to humble myself. 02:42:17.140 --> 02:42:19.640 But the guy literally just mouthed off. 02:42:19.760 --> 02:42:20.640 And I had to ban him. 02:42:21.700 --> 02:42:22.620 I muted him. 02:42:23.440 --> 02:42:25.420 And I said, stop talking over me. 02:42:25.440 --> 02:42:27.060 I'm going to have to mute you. 02:42:27.260 --> 02:42:28.660 I'm answering your question. 02:42:28.820 --> 02:42:30.120 And he's saying I need to humble myself. 02:42:31.120 --> 02:42:31.560 Anyway. 02:42:33.260 --> 02:42:34.340 Tyler's left. 02:42:35.180 --> 02:42:35.920 Again. 02:42:40.270 --> 02:42:45.170 The word of God is in this, but this is not God. 02:42:45.690 --> 02:42:47.810 It has God in it. 02:42:48.970 --> 02:42:52.090 Jesus is not God, but has God in him. 02:42:52.730 --> 02:42:56.110 God does the miracles through the man, Jesus Christ. 02:42:56.590 --> 02:43:00.510 It is the Father who is God dwelling in Jesus. 02:43:00.510 --> 02:43:03.610 I don't know how many times I've got to reiterate these things. 02:43:03.710 --> 02:43:07.350 It gets a little bit tedious when people don't answer questions. 02:43:07.490 --> 02:43:12.590 But they're more than happy to spew out a lot of the things that they see as if it 02:43:12.590 --> 02:43:13.270 proves something. 02:43:15.250 --> 02:43:18.030 The other guy was talking all this garbage. 02:43:18.550 --> 02:43:19.770 And then Tyler comes in. 02:43:20.550 --> 02:43:23.770 And like this other guy who avoided points. 02:43:24.250 --> 02:43:27.010 The moment Matt's questions got too hot for him. 02:43:27.710 --> 02:43:31.610 On the topic he raised, he leaves instantly without even saying, 02:43:31.690 --> 02:43:33.270 look, I've got to go for whatever reason. 02:43:34.330 --> 02:43:36.570 But he's more than happy to type in the chat. 02:43:36.810 --> 02:43:37.030 Anyway. 02:43:38.390 --> 02:43:39.630 I'm going to end now. 02:43:40.430 --> 02:43:42.490 Regardless, people won't be able to call in. 02:43:44.250 --> 02:43:48.750 So, if you haven't already, subscribe, hit the notification bell, strike the 02:43:48.750 --> 02:43:52.550 like, share the content and all the good stuff on the channel. 02:43:53.430 --> 02:43:55.750 And I wish for the best for Darkijar. 02:43:55.910 --> 02:43:58.810 But yeah, his view and opinion, he didn't want to hear. 02:43:59.050 --> 02:44:01.050 So he's not seeking the truth in my opinion. 02:44:01.190 --> 02:44:01.950 That's just my view. 02:44:02.090 --> 02:44:03.190 I'm not making a judgment. 02:44:03.370 --> 02:44:05.770 I'm just saying, I can see the way he was acting. 02:44:06.530 --> 02:44:07.770 Constantly talking over me. 02:44:09.570 --> 02:44:17.390 All I can say is, hopefully the guy will break free from this mentality of just 02:44:17.390 --> 02:44:20.070 speak garbage a lot. 02:44:21.270 --> 02:44:23.470 Over people as if it's proven something. 02:44:23.570 --> 02:44:24.370 It's not proven anything. 02:44:24.750 --> 02:44:27.430 All you're doing is proving that your fruits are rotten. 02:44:27.810 --> 02:44:32.150 That you need to speak over people loudly in the way you did. 02:44:32.470 --> 02:44:35.070 People can listen to it back and listen to how you were talking. 02:44:37.030 --> 02:44:39.310 And you were being basically mocking me. 02:44:40.570 --> 02:44:41.570 It doesn't prove anything. 02:44:42.530 --> 02:44:44.110 And you avoided questions. 02:44:44.470 --> 02:44:46.470 And you were saying that I was taking things out of context. 02:44:46.470 --> 02:44:50.770 But when I tried to go to the chapter, I said, you brought up John 14, 02:44:50.990 --> 02:44:52.210 15, 16 and 17. 02:44:52.290 --> 02:44:56.470 You said, well, John 17 says the father is alone the true God. 02:44:56.690 --> 02:44:59.510 Oh, you can't use that verse because it doesn't fit your narrative. 02:45:01.570 --> 02:45:03.990 So I'm not wasting my time on Darkage. 02:45:04.330 --> 02:45:05.510 I've already banned him. 02:45:07.930 --> 02:45:12.970 But what I will say is, I wish him well and hopefully he'll humble himself. 02:45:13.210 --> 02:45:15.850 And he'll come around to the truth. 02:45:15.850 --> 02:45:20.990 And maybe he'll realize that speaking a lot is not going to help you win an 02:45:20.990 --> 02:45:21.290 argument. 02:45:21.550 --> 02:45:25.370 All it does is have you go, rah, rah, rah, rah, rah and annoy people. 02:45:26.430 --> 02:45:28.150 You got to a point where you were tedious. 02:45:28.330 --> 02:45:29.410 I just wanted to ban you. 02:45:30.010 --> 02:45:32.870 I wanted to have a proper conversation with you because you were this person that 02:45:32.870 --> 02:45:34.170 was talking a load of garbage. 02:45:34.330 --> 02:45:38.330 And I'm a rude awakening and discord channel about the Trinity. 02:45:38.510 --> 02:45:44.150 And the moment someone steps up to you, you just shout over someone and just kept 02:45:44.150 --> 02:45:45.250 on shouting when you are mute. 02:45:45.250 --> 02:45:47.310 So I haven't got time to waste on you. 02:45:47.470 --> 02:45:49.890 To me, that shows fruits of a swine. 02:45:50.090 --> 02:45:53.470 And I wish for the best for you that you can free yourself from that. 02:45:53.950 --> 02:45:58.270 In regards to Tyler, my friend, humble yourself. 02:45:58.690 --> 02:45:59.510 Answer questions. 02:46:00.530 --> 02:46:02.970 You show yourself like three times now. 02:46:03.310 --> 02:46:07.330 Every time you ask a question on this show, you typically run. 02:46:08.030 --> 02:46:09.310 Or you don't answer. 02:46:09.530 --> 02:46:13.410 Or you come up with a thing like, where does it say God is a person? 02:46:14.470 --> 02:46:16.930 What's that got to do with anything that you're asked? 02:46:18.210 --> 02:46:24.110 Asking a question to answer a question out of context doesn't help you. 02:46:25.290 --> 02:46:28.130 And it was the point that you raised and I answered. 02:46:28.590 --> 02:46:30.290 I asked you a question on it, you run. 02:46:32.850 --> 02:46:35.150 Anyway, be blessed. 02:46:35.970 --> 02:46:36.570 Be well. 02:46:38.030 --> 02:46:39.510 And until next time, guys. 02:46:39.930 --> 02:46:40.930 Peace to you. 02:46:41.070 --> 02:46:41.850 Shabbat Shalom. 02:46:41.850 --> 02:46:44.110 And I'll see you later. 02:46:44.970 --> 02:46:46.430 With that said, I'm out. 02:46:47.050 --> 02:46:49.810 And I'll catch you on the next stream tonight. 02:46:49.950 --> 02:46:53.090 I'll set up a stream tonight at 10pm, 10.30pm. 02:46:53.970 --> 02:46:55.810 And hopefully some people will call in. 02:46:55.910 --> 02:46:56.670 If not, it doesn't matter. 02:46:56.830 --> 02:46:59.370 I'll just delete the stream after I have no one call in. 02:47:00.790 --> 02:47:01.270 Peace. 02:47:01.590 --> 02:47:01.770 Shalom. 02:47:02.450 --> 02:47:02.770 Be well. 02:47:03.870 --> 02:47:06.070 Thank you for watching today's video. 02:47:06.070 --> 02:47:12.050 If you enjoyed or learned something new, press the subscribe icon in the circle. 02:47:12.770 --> 02:47:17.170 Or strike the like, share the content, hit the notification bell. 02:47:17.390 --> 02:47:21.750 Or why not just check out that playlist, that video, right beside my picture. 02:47:22.390 --> 02:47:22.790 Shalom. 02:47:23.130 --> 02:47:23.350 Peace. 02:47:23.830 --> 02:47:25.490 And I'll see you in the next video.